"I Swear I Do Not Understand Dating Anymore" (Every Single Person Should Watch This)
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He didn't ghost her. She made it clear she's wasn't interested, and he took the hint.
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Roses on the first/second date? Desperado.... Why don't you come to your senses? Come on guys, really?
@@FidgetyGuy that was a rookie move. But he redeemed himself by ghosting her and no longer simping. she wasn’t into him but wouldn’t turn down another free meal
@@FidgetyGuy wrong, for the right guy she would have loved it. Women fantasise about stuff like that when it's the right guy. She had no genuine burning desire.
Right?!?! Now women are watering down the term 'ghosting'. Ghosting use to be you banged a chick and she texted you the next day and you dont respond ever again..
If you treat her like a celebrity, she'll treat you like a fan
Boom 💥
You are now the next contested on the prices right. 😅
@@michaelrodriguez3329 that'll be one dollar bob
@@Matanumi 😄
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She didn't want to date him but wanted to keep him around and extract as many resources as she good. Good on him for moving on
This.
fact
Yeah this happened to me a little while ago. I meet a girl at work who just broke up with her long term boyfriend (which I didn't know about when we first met).
We went out a few times for a drink and one time went bowling. She is a hardcore gamer, which I though sounded great, something in common. She was desperate to get the God of War Ragnarok Collector's Edition and she couldn't find it anywhere. I somehow managed to get one.
She was telling me how amazing I was. Kept regular contact with me, I thought we were getting closer and then when I delivered it to her house (first time going to her place, which she invited me in for a drink), the contact lessened until she stopped talking to me full stop. I called her out on it saying she's ghosting me, but claims she was just busy with Christmas (that was in December), it only takes seconds to send a text, so I didn't buy that.
Well December has past and she still hasn't bothered to text me. Total waste of time and work, at least I got my money back for the game and only spent around £50 in total in the 6 months we were talking for.
Oh yeah, she loved gaming but wouldn't play a single game with me in the whole time. Always an excuse, I should have known then!
He went overboard with tut gifts and ghosted her when he didn't get any pussy. He doesn't sound like a guy who should be taken seriously just like her.
"She didn't want to date him but wanted to keep him around and extract as many resources as she could"
Alternative interpretation: She wasn't sure whether she was into him or not, *but* she wanted him to be into her and stick around until she made up her mind. I.e. she wanted him to submit to her priorities (and her schedule) while completely neglecting his own.
A common complaint of women is that men don't pick up on their signals. From the looks of it, she sent obvious signals that she wasn't interested in a romantic relationship with him, which is obviously what he was going for. While he could've sent a "It was fun, best of luck to you" text, I totally understood why he just cut off contact; it didn't seem like she was too interested.
I once had a date who I tried to kiss, and she wasn't into it. Later on, the mood was right so I tried again (she seemed to be sending the signals that she was into it) and she rejected it again, so I stopped. Later on, I got a text "I wish you had tried to kiss me again"... As a man, this stuff is infuriating. Needless to say, we didn't have any more dates.
"I wish you never played any games on me" send her that and lose her number.
I get really tired of 'signals'. Get a set of traffic lights if you want signals I'm a simple dude not professor X
By the way that was a lie that she said what happened is she was just feeling bad that she was turned down and now playing head games
On which date you did the 1st attempt?
Good call- she's the kind of woman who could also just as easily kissed you then change her mind later, causing you a world of trouble with a false accusation. Dodged a bullet.
He showed interest and she pushed him away so he left as he should have. She thought she had him wrapped around her finger so she went into hard to get mode and got a reality check. This is exactly why men don't buy flowers and don't pursue bc women tend to respond to those actions in exactly this way. They seem to subconsciously see it as a display of weakness and inferiority rather than a kind gesture that should be appreciated and valued.
Yup, every relationship i've gotten into with women, Ive never spent more than a drink or two on them. This is why you invite women over to your place or you go to theirs after meeting in person. Women that are interested dont give you the 'serial killer' shit test, they just show up and hang
My dad always told to me never give a woman flowers. Still lookin good in 2023
Boom 💥
@@brent4073 that is true. Either they like you or they don't no matter what you do for the most part.
Yes your right. Well said!
Damn I’m glad I’m not single anymore. Basically she rejected him, but was waiting on him to SIMP! He was on a second date. She clearly showed her non interest. He moved on. Now she’s on the internet wondering what happened. You can’t make this ish up!
They only had 2 dates, she didn't know him. Why ask to go on a weekend ski trip together? He could be a serial killer or worse 🤔 😳. That might have frightened the young lady. You can't force a rose to open its pedals. When the flower is ready, it will open for you, be patient.
@@BPS10-Ga Yea right... wait and spend shitload of money waiting and in the end might get nothing
@@BPS10-Ga You are right, however he also has the right to ghost her. He invested a certain amount and decided to cut his losses when she wasn't reciprocating.
@@dushandvr5765 She didn't ask him to spend money. If she wanted to milk the guy, the ski trip was a perfect opportunity. Showing respect for herself is a plus.
@@QMS9224 He had every right to ghost her.
Girl: "I gave him no indication that I enjoyed his company, found him attractive, or even wanted to see him again!"
Also Girl: "Why doesn't he want to spend more time and money on me? I don't understand men."
You mean like having him take her on a ski trip....please this guy reeked of desperation or something worst
@@cfosnock He's clearly not desperate, because he "ghosted" her. He obviously has better things to do with his time than chase unappreciative women who can't express themselves.
@@manakin5 of course he does which is the point...he moved onto his next mark.
@@cfosnock When the fish don't bite you change the spot, the man clearly values his time.
@@TheBubbeloo Yes of course, but women are not fish. This was a project to him, this was her life.
Nothing kills romance faster than a rejected kiss. I'm amazed at her reaction here. She led him on and he did everything right, yet when the moment of passion came she killed it.
Also men are not going to keep trying endlessly in the post me too world! When a woman says no we have to respect it or we can be crucified.
This is exactly what sprung to my mind. She rejected him, and if he continued to chase then he could be destroyed personally and professionally. I've seen men destroyed for less than this. Damn straight he did the right thing. She's not interested, oh well, time to move on. I also think ghosting is the correct way to do it too. You don't owe her an explanation for you moving on, just like she's sure to say she doesn't owe you anything.
Correct... if he continued the pursuit he can be called a creep at minimum. The ball is now squarely and ONLY in a woman's court. If she likes a guy, she has to make it blatantly clear on the first date. Beyond that, a man is playing with fire no matter what he does, so it's better for him to just walk if there are no fireworks on the first date.
Seriously, woman think they're cute by playfully rejecting sexual advances or acting bashful then they are surprised when a guy completely stops in his tracks. I'm not trying to have my life ruined by misreading a signal.
Nothing gets me the mood like a formal discussion about consent while trying to weigh whether a kiss could land me in jail. Smh.
problem is asking for a kiss is kinda lame, but in today's climate you better get consent first lol we men are screwed. Back in the day you just reached for the kiss, linger a bit and if she angled her head, then you went for the kiss.
@@raaspider still the right way.
This Prince Charming went full-blown old school gentleman for this young lady and got shut down. Kudos to this young king for realizing that she wasn't interested and deciding to keep it moving. He sounds like a very nice guy and would be a prize for plenty of other girls who'd actually appreciate this respectful and considerate treatment.
Let's be real - she's only upset now because he didn't stick around long enough for her to end it. She was rejected by a guy who she didn't think was good enough, and her ego can't handle it.
Hopefully he learned from this. Don't invest anything in them until they invest in you. Drinks only.
And she went "Full Retard," "You never go Full Retard!" (I know quoting Tropic Thunder, but it seemed perfect for this woman.)
"Kudos" not "coutos."
@@jamielynn8581 yep 💯 no buying girls gifts and taking them shopping on a first or 2nd date. Happened to me yesterday, went to Aritzia with a hot girl helped her choose a top but didn’t buy it for her ($100) good decision because she wore it in her updated dating profile today 🫤
hope he leaned his lesson and never acts like a gentleman again. These modern women are not worth it.
If you thought that was bad, the gal I met wanted me to prove my love for her by taking my dog to a shelter.
In her twisted mind, this act of sacrifice would prove to her that she’s number one in my life, and I’m willing to make any and all concessions for the relationship.
We went to the animal shelter. Me and my dog drove away when she was at the front desk checking in. Never heard from her again. Happy to be with my loving dog!
She was a narcissist who was jealous of your pet and would have tried to make you give up all contact with all friends and family as well.
I think I would have taken her to the zoo in the wild dog- hyena section
My girlfriend noticed how much I loved my cats and even though she is allergic to cats, offered to get allergy shots. Sadly though, both my cats died.
Tuesday, February 7, 2023
Ha, I love it! You definitely made the right choice by choosing your dog over that controlling, nut job woman.
She would have continued to be controlling, and she would have only gotten more demanding in the future.
On the other hand, your dog loves you unconditionally.
Haha, if that is a true story, hilarious, leaving her at the shelter. GREAT move. I support that.
I’m in sales. There is something done that helps you see the potential. It’s called qualifying the person. He qualified her by asking for the kiss. If he didn’t do that, he could have wasted a lot of time, energy and expense. His move was smart and full of self respect.
the old trial close, yeppers lol
@@jessejames3660 I'm not saying that you're are wrong to say that he should have been assertive and go for the kiss but after the me-too era he could have been accused of assault, many men can be a little cautious.
@@jessejames3660 so do you regularly go around assaulting women?
Yeah I got that too, the ask for a kiss thing was a final test, she failed.
@@jessejames3660 all power to you with that. For me if I'm not sure how the attempt will be received and I'm trying to Sus out what the position is I much prefer to get a direct answer. If just me asking isn't 'alpha' enough for her then it's on to next for me and her loss. No time for all those guessing games.
The hug after being quiet during the date would be my indicator of “friendzone”. If she is truly interested, she needs to pick up the phone and call HIM.
Yeah, sounds like "a series of unfortunate events" to me. She could call him back if she's still interested. Or you know, move on.
She was only quiet when on the topic of the ski trip, because she was unsure. She say they had a "great chat, great time" for the rest of the evening.
Too late she made her choice 🎉
@@drjhale9801 i agree
True, although he definitely came on WAY too strong. Who invites someone they've only been on two dates with to a ski vacation?
She friend zoned him. Any time a girl “friend zones” you don’t put any more effort into it.
Or, say nothing, and imply "bye"
Not necessarily, by making the video it seems she wants to talk to him. Maybe with all this attention he'll come here and tell us his side....like Love Connection.
@@garypierce7380 or instead of making a video, she could, y’know…
TALK TO HIM. Instead of chasing clout.
There’s a huge difference between not wanting to be a Simp, and not having any patience! Chill.
@@AlexanderSkinnerVids
Big point. People are so criminally obsessed with their image that they would put up a guy's investment into them up on the internet and try to turn him into clicks for her own self gratification. I hope the guy never sees the video, he deserves better than her.
Proud of this man for moving on. She clearly was not interested and was just looking for a someone to just take her out to dinner and nothing more.
It’s amazing how women expect guys to make all the right moves, make themselves vulnerable, put themselves out there and then the guy walks away when they can’t reciprocate even 5% of what the guy put in. Then the woman is confused why the guy walked away😅😅. Can’t even make this stuff up.
@@derekwhite7829 Women ☕
You mean like going on a ski trip?
"foodie call".
The amount of girls that have "rejected"/ ghosted me only to get mad at me for not trying harder and chasing after them is honestly insane. This is one of the reasons I'm giving up on dating. Focusing on the gym and MMA if I come across a girl and form a relationship cool. If not, it is what it is.
Since you’re into MMA, are you interested in becoming a UFC fighter? Even if you were on the lower tier, you could make $10,000-$30,000 per fight. Highest earning fighters are between $500,000-$3 million per fight so if you go for an MMA career like that and put in the work to be in the UFC, you could rack up money quickly.
@@lakerskid2013 that's the way plan become as good as I can be and see how far I can take it.
Where you training out of? What weight class? Any background in combat sports?
@@diggitydank1083 evolution mma in naples fl, Cosmo Alexandre is the head coach of the gym. not sure what weight class im gonna wanna fight in yet my walking weight is 190lbs so we will see. i just started training muay thai, jiu jitsu, and wrestling so i got a ways to go first. but i do have 2 years of boxing with 2 Am fights.
I think it's time I should buy one of those dummy punching bags so I can beat the shit out of it.
It's very hard for her to understand dating if she doesn't understand the result of her own actions.
Comment beautifully sums the whole story up
This. Self awareness is a beautiful thing.
"I didn’t say much… I gave him a hug…" and he was done cause you were already done, and he simply figured it out 😂
True. She is an incredibly sad person...
do we know if she actually liked him. I think that's pretty important!
Love-bombing is such a beautiful term. “We have complained about emotional distant men for generations, how can we turn emotionally available men into victimizers?
…
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LOVE BOMBING!”
And you just know for the Alpha Chad she would have fallen in love if he love bombed her. Women literally fantasise over novels and films where they are whisked away to Paris on a first date. Reality is, she didn't like him. He moved on and she couldn't accept that
Nonsense. You got some gaslighting issues? *then put some gas in the tank And keep driving forward to your destination*
Also, there goes the floral business.
Love bombing isn’t what you think it is.
I don't know...Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I don't think a guy should spend significant money on a lady that has not verbally expressed emotions. Flowers? Yes, but a dozen roses? A single rose or sunflower or cutting from your garden will get the same effect.
Grand gestures of any kind prior to her expressing interest is...off. That's what "love bombing" is to me.
The sad thing is that if she was really interested in the guy, those things he did for her would have been seen as sweet to her. Glad the dude realized this right away and moved on. I had a similar situation happen to me (and probably a lot of us guys out here) where I tried to do something for a girl I was interested in and all I got was a polite "Thank you". That's when I knew it was time to move on.
It's entirely possible that she _was_ interested, but saw his overtures as a sign that he would take all the emotional risk while she took little or none. Perhaps she has low self-esteem. Perhaps she's been mistreat by someone she thought loved her, such that she actually becomes more suspicious of a man the more interest he shows.
@@cisium1184and perhaps homie thought "I ain't got time for that" and moved on.
Which he should have.
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"Evil" is the antithesis to the virtue: 'humanity'. Humanity is the characteristic that defines the human spirit. Humanity is symbiosis across humans and society. 'Humanity' exceeds 'social-darwinism'.
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NEURO-PERSONALITY
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"SENSORY-FEELERS" ARE LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR SPREADING DISINFORMATION AND HATE TOWARDS ENTJ/INTJ (AGAINST "THINKERS" IN GENERAL)-BOTH IRL AND ON THE INTERNET; DESPITE THOSE NEURO-PERSONALITY TYPES BEING A BLESSING TO SOCIETY AND ALL OF MANKIND! THEY DESERVE BETTER! 😤
'ESFJ', 'ESFP', ISFP and ISFJ are a pathogen to humanity, and 'then' Cluster-B (depending on they neuro-personality).
THEIR "FEELINGS 'IS' THEIR REALITY", THEY ALSO HAVE A MALICIOUS-MIND BY DEFAULT (excluding normal ISFJ). DESPITE HAVING MALICIOUS INTENT THEY ARE ALL EMOTIONALLY-WEAK AND PRONE TO COVERT/VULNERABLE-NARCISSISM.
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Also... To intelligent readers (who do 'not’ have a ‘pathological disregard for rationality and reality').
I recommend researching 'narcissistic personality disorder' (NPD) / 'cluster-B'; and know that they are the 'root of all evil' (especially 'ESFJ/ESTJ-narcissist'; Myers-Briggs reference, look it up)!
European 'ESFJ' are the worst personality type, and they are responsible for inventing 'racism' and colonization! It is in their neuro-psychology!!!
They are extremely 'manipulative' and often use 'looking pretty' to distract others from the witch's mind-games / mind-r@pe, e.g. gaslighting, playing the victim/damsel in distress, creating "flying-monkeys", and 'bribing' others (with money or BJ) to attack, or at times, kill someone for her. When caught, she will use her minions as scapegoats. European ESFJ are notorious for this especially in a racist context, e.g. Emmett Till.
xSFP and ISFJ (2W1) are the most complicit, narcissistic-enablers. ISFP also tend to be 'oblivious-codependents' (look up the definition). Like ESFJ, XSFP's "feelings 'is' their reality." Most are covert/vulnerable-narcissists.
ISFJ often perceive things only on the surface level (even by sensor standards), are suckers for a “pretty face", and their neuro-psychology makes them the ideal narcissitic-codependent and pawn to the ESFJ (blind-loyalty, surface level perception, susceptibility to covert-narcissism). Lastly, ISFJ are notorious for impersonating other people's identities IRL and on the internet.
SUMMARY
Evil personality: 'ESFJ' (ALL), ESTJ (Cluster-b), ISFJ-2W1 (covert-narc/enabler).
[Secretly] Evil and narcissist-friendly gunts/flying-monkey: ISFP (ALL), ESFP (ALL), and ISFJ (2W1 enable ESFJ).
☝️ALL of them are secretly emotionally-disturbed, hence their need to create conflict as a distraction (at other people's expense, truly evil).
Spread the word! Thank you.
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Research ref: Raudha Athif, Ghislaine Maxwell, Marilyn Monroe, Karen, ESFJ-narcissists, ESFJ-neurology, Gaslighting, Amber Heard, Fake feminism, Rising of a shield hero (Malty-'ESFJ'; XSFX spread disinformation online. ISFJ is the main culprit; ISFJ largely perceive things on the surface level), 'Brood-parasitism’- XSFJ natural psychology..
@@cisium1184 nope, she didn't like him that much. Good on him for moving on
Women make rules for betas and break them for alphas. For the right guy she would have said yes
So long story short, she got mad because the guy that she wasn't really feeling rejected her friend zone.
From her story she gave every inclination that she was just wasting this guy's time. He valued himself enough to see that it wasn't going anywhere and left
Long story short he attempted to woe her into "putting out" on a ski trip. She didn't fall for it.
If he was a Chad and wasn't such a simp with the flowers and all that crap, she would have been with him THAT night, forget the ski trip.
Exactly, she wanted to friend zone him so she could continue to look for mr perfect. He was the "Break in case of emergency" guy.
I have commented that she maybe wanted him to slow down it's just the 2nd date, and her attraction may have not been initially high to begin with, but was rather growing being she voted with her feet to hang out with him twice, and likely was going to do the same a third time from the video she posted. Clearly him not reaching out has an affect on her. A women who could care less would not be stressing it.
Besides there are unanswered questions like how many days has gone by since the last date?
He could of lost his phone or suddenly had a schedule change where he's not available the same times he used to be so found it pointless to let her know being she never reached out to him to inquire about his whereabouts.
She probably is expecting him to reach out like he was initially doing, and he's probably in the head space of she should reach out to me if she's interested.
It's clear their also on different wave lengths, and each have an expectation of what the other is supposed to do. I place the burden on the guy though because he was initially pursuing, and just stopped cold turkey instead of texting, and trying to set up another meeting, and stop if she stops responding to his messages or calls or answers but rejects hanging out, and doesn't give a clear answer or refuses to answer if he asks why? Or rejects hanging out, but doesn't follow up with a reason before you have to ask and suggest still wanting to meet up at a later date.
I don't think she was playing games.
A girl playing games you would know.
Yes, this is right. She was stonewalling him. If her story is accurate, she was giving him ZERO indicators of interest. Now he's in dangerous territory...if he continued to pursue, we would be hearing about how insensitive, creepy, and stalkerish he is. Believe that!
Guys, if you get rejected for a kiss after 2 dates without a valid reason, it's time to move on. She's not into you.
1st time my guy. Attraction is never negotiated
If not a kiss, an explicit display of interest. The woman I'm now in the best relationship of my life with, she told me after our first date that she'd 'love to do it again' and made it very clear that it was sincere. No kiss needed, the message was explicit and honest.
@@adrianomangiryous2504 said: "1st time my guy. Attraction is never negotiated"
If a woman won't kiss you after your first date, she's not attracted to you? Where did you get that from, the slut's handbook 101? WTF do you mean negotiated? I think you have your head too far up your ass.
My wife HATED me the first time we met. She bitched about me to all the neighbors and communal friends we had for months. Eventually we settled into an uneasy truce, then interest.
You have no idea what you are talking about and I hope people aren't taking you seriously.
I would not kiss anyone after second date even if I find him attractive. He might have a poor oral hygiene or carry STDs (yes, STDs such as herpes simplex virus 1 (HSV-1) and human papillomavirus (HPV) can be easily spread via kissing + other 10 diseases (such as infectious mononucleosis, influenza, coronaviruses, germs that cause gum disease ...). Also if the person wants to kiss me after the second date then he probably kisses with other people without hesitation = he is more likely a carrier of diseases and/or disrespects his and others people health and personal hygiene. It would be nice if people spend some time reading about STDs and potential health consequences associated with promiscuous behavior rather than imitating frivolous behaviors promoted on TV (such as Bachelor) and/or other explicit entertainment.
@@lenahess2583then you can't kiss them ever because they might have stds
Who would move forward after that date? She puts out mixed signals, rejects a kiss, and I'll bet money never follows up with him after the date, yet she is somehow the victim of being ghosted? Who ghosted who exactly?
Same, I bet she didn’t attempt to contact him first after the date. And it probably only been a few days since
Roses on the first/second date? Desperado.... Why don't you come to your senses? Come on guys, really?
That's exactly my feeling as well. She say he ghosted her but I'm willing to bet she didn't even try messaging him afterwards to show she was still interested. So of course the guy thinks it's over because he got rejected and *she ghosted him.*
You missed the point (and so did Courtney). He was moving to fast. Their is middle ground between ski trip, and I give up, let me move on.
@@FidgetyGuy Hear, hear...its not the roses...its the ski trip. After the second date you want to spend the weekend with her in a ski resort....please he thought he had his next conquest
"I just want to give you a hug" - that means "I'm not interested." She's rejected you. And if she wants to keep dating or hanging out, she's toying with you. Ghosting is the proper response.
Perhaps better than ghosting is to say to her what you said there. "I got your message and moved on, thanks and good luck."
They mentally sick out here they will play games with you if you entertain it instead of moving on
Asking if you can kiss someone is unfortunately nearly mandatory these days because if you don't ask, she can accuse you of sexual assault.
She can accuse you either way just for spite.
I think you people dont get off your PC very often or live in the US
Never had this happen
@@illhaqu777 "It's never happened to me therefore it's never happened to anyone" big ole herpa derp there pal.
That's why you let her come to you
It's actually not really a big problem. Just ask. Put the responsibility on her. It's not even a mood breaker if you do it right (which is easy... just actually make it so that it's her choice and it feels like it's her choice and not you pressuring)
That's got me laid very often.
She said "I don't understand dating anymore" as a way to not be responsible for the guy loosing interest.
Props to the guy for moving on. Yes this is moving on, not ghosting. If a woman doesn't even want to kiss you after a second date, it's safe to say they're not interested romantically. The lady didn't reciprocate love, so why is she surprised he's moving on?
you’re right
If she were interested, she wouldn't not have refused the kiss (especially on date #2), unless she were super religious which it doesn't seem like.
@@ptrsrfns When a women its intrested she want you when she see you... its really HARD to MISS. They act like a miss of bitch in heat, and completly socialy awkard, becouse they wanna kiss your and touch you but dont know how to start. Its kinda cute. But today with their non existent grasp of reality, most guys would never experience, and without experience it the guy cannot learn to identify.
I guess a ski trip and flowers wasn't enough for her LOL
I wouldn’t kiss for awhile despite being romantically interested. Some people are a little more reserved.
if woman rejects the idea of a kiss she’s not interested. even just on the cheek. says a lot about her character. guy made the right move 😂
Props to the guy for moving on and not looking back. If she's acting like that during the date, most guys are going to think that she isn't interested. Why waste your time when someone appears not to be interested in you? Sure, she could have acted that way for other reasons (prior bad dating experiences and the like), but how is he supposed to know that? The point that resonated with me the most was when Courtney said that "if buying flowers and showing interest are seen as love-bombing or awful things, that's deeply concerning." It is deeply concerning and highlights the younger generation's lack of understanding, morals, and ethics. I'm glad that I am out of the dating scene right now.
Another great video, Courtney. Keep them coming. Your insight is refreshing.
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"Evil" is the antithesis to the virtue: 'humanity'. Humanity is the characteristic that defines the human spirit. Humanity is symbiosis across humans and society. 'Humanity' exceeds 'social-darwinism'.
.............................
NEURO-PERSONALITY
.............................
"SENSORY-FEELERS" ARE LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR SPREADING DISINFORMATION AND HATE TOWARDS ENTJ/INTJ (AGAINST "THINKERS" IN GENERAL)-BOTH IRL AND ON THE INTERNET; DESPITE THOSE NEURO-PERSONALITY TYPES BEING A BLESSING TO SOCIETY AND ALL OF MANKIND! THEY DESERVE BETTER! 😤
'ESFJ', 'ESFP', ISFP and ISFJ are a pathogen to humanity, and 'then' Cluster-B (depending on they neuro-personality).
THEIR "FEELINGS 'IS' THEIR REALITY", THEY ALSO HAVE A MALICIOUS-MIND BY DEFAULT (excluding normal ISFJ). DESPITE HAVING MALICIOUS INTENT THEY ARE ALL EMOTIONALLY-WEAK AND PRONE TO COVERT/VULNERABLE-NARCISSISM.
...............................
Also... To intelligent readers (who do 'not’ have a ‘pathological disregard for rationality and reality').
I recommend researching 'narcissistic personality disorder' (NPD) / 'cluster-B'; and know that they are the 'root of all evil' (especially 'ESFJ/ESTJ-narcissist'; Myers-Briggs reference, look it up)!
European 'ESFJ' are the worst personality type, and they are responsible for inventing 'racism' and colonization! It is in their neuro-psychology!!!
They are extremely 'manipulative' and often use 'looking pretty' to distract others from the witch's mind-games / mind-r@pe, e.g. gaslighting, playing the victim/damsel in distress, creating "flying-monkeys", and 'bribing' others (with money or BJ) to attack, or at times, kill someone for her. When caught, she will use her minions as scapegoats. European ESFJ are notorious for this especially in a racist context, e.g. Emmett Till.
xSFP and ISFJ (2W1) are the most complicit, narcissistic-enablers. ISFP also tend to be 'oblivious-codependents' (look up the definition). Like ESFJ, XSFP's "feelings 'is' their reality." Most are covert/vulnerable-narcissists.
ISFJ often perceive things only on the surface level (even by sensor standards), are suckers for a “pretty face", and their neuro-psychology makes them the ideal narcissitic-codependent and pawn to the ESFJ (blind-loyalty, surface level perception, susceptibility to covert-narcissism). Lastly, ISFJ are notorious for impersonating other people's identities IRL and on the internet.
SUMMARY
Evil personality: 'ESFJ' (ALL), ESTJ (Cluster-b), ISFJ-2W1 (covert-narc/enabler).
[Secretly] Evil and narcissist-friendly gunts/flying-monkey: ISFP (ALL), ESFP (ALL), and ISFJ (2W1 enable ESFJ).
☝️ALL of them are secretly emotionally-disturbed, hence their need to create conflict as a distraction (at other people's expense, truly evil).
Spread the word! Thank you.
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Research ref: Raudha Athif, Ghislaine Maxwell, Marilyn Monroe, Karen, ESFJ-narcissists, ESFJ-neurology, Gaslighting, Amber Heard, Fake feminism, Rising of a shield hero (Malty-'ESFJ'; XSFX spread disinformation online. ISFJ is the main culprit; ISFJ largely perceive things on the surface level), 'Brood-parasitism’- XSFJ natural psychology..
I'm pretty average but there's a time at the end of the college when girls start to have a pre epiphany that time changes and the wall approach. During that time I was dating three girls and things were running so fast that as soon as my future wife kissed me, I involuntarily ghosted the other two because I felt the same old low effort from them, I usually experienced and in my mind they would barely complain. Two months later they both called meand and were surprised I was not interested anymore
Girls don't be surprised if sometimes also non Chad guys have options
"It is deeply concerning, and highlights the younger generation's lack of understanding, morals, and ethics......."
Well said.
@@wanyelewis9667 this is true, and the situation is worsening.
Parents are divorced and gen x has completely forgotten that women between 14 and 24 need to have a proper relationship education. Before that age the princess and the frog.
Before that Pinocchio.
My generation delegates the school for everything, but values, morals and the capacity of avoid delusions still need to be managed by the family
Wrong. A single carnation is showing interest. Maybe some daisies. This guy was carpet bombing. Don't invite a woman to share a private ski cabin with you after she has known you for a grand total of 1 1/2 hours. Wtf ?
Delete your black pill subscriptions. Now. Right now. Before it's too late.
Nailed it. Good breakdown of the situation. As a 34 year old man who has gone through many friendzone situations like this one, i would react exactly like this guy did. Not even out of anger anymore, but just not to waste my time and energy on someone like her. Shes not a bad person but she’s definitely confused and jaded.
41, I'm the same with a slight difference. I would react this way to not waste HER time and energy. I got all the time and energy in the world.
I run a small business and live a fairly active lifestyle so yea..i definitely don’t have all the time in the world. That’s why im much more selective on who i spend my energy on. Looks like this guy is the same way. Its her responsibility to decide if your a waste of her time, not yours. It should be implied that your not a waste of time if your intentions are good to begin with. Also kind of implied I’m not there to waste both of our time. My point is that her time is not more important than yours. Value your time regardless if you have a lot of it or not.
I would not say she is a good person right away
@@audionerd8821 Just forget it, i messed up 😑
@@p382742937423y4never said she was a good person either
If life was the Disney fairytale women thought it was then she should've awarded him that kiss for the courting he did, but in the end, the guy didn't even get to first base ON THE SECOND DATE. It is a wild, wild world for dating. Edit: Just so I don't forget, SHE EARNED THAT GHOSTING.
Modern day women really do live this weird princess fairytale fantasy of wanting their wedding day with their dream husband to post on FB but in reality they live this Cardi B music video life of doing alcohol, drugs, and banging bad boys from the bars that put in no effort other than a little flirting.
Lets face the facts: a cardi B Disney movie would be entertaining as fuck but bad to live real life by 🤣
@@brent4073 Not just "Modern women". Harlequin Romance novels started in 1949.
He should have gotten some at that price.
Courtney you’re spot on. Two dates a woman knows exactly if she’s attracted to a guy without a doubt. If you are conservative then give him a nice pop kiss on the lips, doesn’t have to be excessive, but it does tell the man that she is attracted. After two dates she’s still”No how about a hug” that’s a friend zone alert and the brother appropriately dipped. This is not really complicated.
Exactly what i was thinking. It can be simple
A girl I dated once got so mad at me because I stopped reaching out to her after she friendzoned me on our first date.
I was like dudette, what do you expect ? I'm interested in you, you're not. I'm supposed to accept that lowball offer ?
And she had the audacity to tell me that yes, I should accept it because that's what she wants. I told her nope, that's not how it works. I won't give you the attention and validation addict fix while you date and sleep with other guys. I'm a prime choice, not a backup plan. I wished her to have a nice life and proceeded to block her. Never heard from her again.
At least a kiss on the cheek.
If you're that traditional, say that before the first date, and make sure that you make is crystal clear that you are interested in him. (Assuming that you are. )
@@BigJay039 For sure, it doesn't need to be anything big, but some sign of interest would have at least helped the guy to understand where she was coming from if she WAS actually interested.
@@BigJay039 Yeah, there's nothing inherently wrong with a woman reserving all intimacy on those early dates...she just needs to be up-front / open about it (which most aren't). If i went on a date with a girl and early on she was like "Look, just so you know, I'm not gonna hook up with anyone unless its something real" I'd have zero issues with it. If anything, that's better than the 'carrot on a string' approach to sex that a lot of women employ.
It sounds to me like the guy was making his intentions clear that he was interested and wanted to spend time with her. By her own admission she was pulling back and not showing enthusiasm by the 2nd date that I’m sure he was paying for. The nail in the coffin was the offered “hug” at the end of the date. He likely only asked for the kiss because of her signals during the date and he wanted to see where this was going. I’m not sure why she’s wondering what happened to him, it’s pretty obvious to any guy he was getting friend zoned.
lol thats what happens with beta bobs.. a man would have called her out during the date on why she's being cold.. a man would have just walked off leaving her stranded.. if she dies she dies.
FOR REAL!
I don't date anymore because it's not fun and feels like a dead end job, period. If we're not compatible or don't want to go on second date fine. But don't lie to me than ghost. I'm beyond sick and tired of people expecting people to pick up signs/signals or whatever instead of them just being honest.
"I'll just give you a hug... He ghosted me."
She flat-out REJECTED him.
When women are raised to believe they're the prize
No she didn't..this was a second date. The "gentlemen" sounds like a typical player. Wine and dine, and expect the women to show her appreciation. I would agree with you if this was the 3rd or 4th date, and homeboy had not mentioned taking her a ski trip.
@@cfosnock, You might as well be right as to what she might have been thinking, however, she handled it incorrectly. I hope the girl takes this as a feedback and rectify how she handled the situation so that she may not lose out in the future, and frankly, if she reads your comment, it will only serve to validate what she did, and it will do her no good in the long run.
@@pmaitrasm No argument she could have handled it better...but saying that in order to handle it better she would have need to do something she was not comfortable doing at the moment, or be a better communicator. If we are going to blame her communication skills, then lets also blame her date who also failed to communicate his feelings and ghosted her.Then add In her defense he never gave her the opportunity to rectify this situation. BTW I'm validating what she did ... the fact that he choose to cut bait after being refused a kiss. I can only assume how he would have felt if she refused further intimacy on that ski trip. This was a win, win.
@@cfosnock, I agree with the first sentence and disagree with everything that comes thereafter. Have a great day.
This girl blew me out of the second date with hours to go. We had a great first date and she text me after that she'd had a lovely time. A few days later I asked to meet her the weekend after and she said yes. Then before the date she cancelled saying I hadn't spoken to her enough in the week so she could tell I wasn't interested. I mean honestly I work and have a life already. I wouldn't like to over text anyway it eventually gets dull but the point is unrealistic expectations
Seriously, been there before. You text too much, you are obsessed and she loses attraction. You dont text enough and she forgets about you and ghosts you or cancels on you.
She found an alpha and cancelled on you.. thats what truly happened. she just needed an excuse to cancel on you.
Sounds shes a bit insecure. That’s not your problem. She has a phone too. If she wanted to talk she could have reached out. Next.
@@dirkdiggler2379 you don’t know that. You don’t even fucking know the girl. Stop acting like you know things you don’t. She sounded to me like she was insecure. I could be wrong and maybe you’re right but you don’t fucking know. And enough with the alpha buzz word. If you were alpha, you wouldn’t emasculate this guy
Totally agree, men have so many boxes to tick and hoops they need to jump through these days that I'm not surprise there's so many single good guys but just being good isn't enough anymore.
She openly said that he did all these great things then said how she didn't react to it but she didn't shut it down. That sounds to me like you ungreatfully accepted a bunch of stuff and didn't show any appreciation.
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"Evil" is the antithesis to the virtue: 'humanity'. Humanity is the characteristic that defines the human spirit. Humanity is symbiosis across humans and society. 'Humanity' exceeds 'social-darwinism'.
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NEURO-PERSONALITY
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"SENSORY-FEELERS" ARE LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR SPREADING DISINFORMATION AND HATE TOWARDS ENTJ/INTJ (AGAINST "THINKERS" IN GENERAL)-BOTH IRL AND ON THE INTERNET; DESPITE THOSE NEURO-PERSONALITY TYPES BEING A BLESSING TO SOCIETY AND ALL OF MANKIND! THEY DESERVE BETTER! 😤
'ESFJ', 'ESFP', ISFP and ISFJ are a pathogen to humanity, and 'then' Cluster-B (depending on they neuro-personality).
THEIR "FEELINGS 'IS' THEIR REALITY", THEY ALSO HAVE A MALICIOUS-MIND BY DEFAULT (excluding normal ISFJ). DESPITE HAVING MALICIOUS INTENT THEY ARE ALL EMOTIONALLY-WEAK AND PRONE TO COVERT/VULNERABLE-NARCISSISM.
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Also... To intelligent readers (who do 'not’ have a ‘pathological disregard for rationality and reality').
I recommend researching 'narcissistic personality disorder' (NPD) / 'cluster-B'; and know that they are the 'root of all evil' (especially 'ESFJ/ESTJ-narcissist'; Myers-Briggs reference, look it up)!
European 'ESFJ' are the worst personality type, and they are responsible for inventing 'racism' and colonization! It is in their neuro-psychology!!!
They are extremely 'manipulative' and often use 'looking pretty' to distract others from the witch's mind-games / mind-r@pe, e.g. gaslighting, playing the victim/damsel in distress, creating "flying-monkeys", and 'bribing' others (with money or BJ) to attack, or at times, kill someone for her. When caught, she will use her minions as scapegoats. European ESFJ are notorious for this especially in a racist context, e.g. Emmett Till.
xSFP and ISFJ (2W1) are the most complicit, narcissistic-enablers. ISFP also tend to be 'oblivious-codependents' (look up the definition). Like ESFJ, XSFP's "feelings 'is' their reality." Most are covert/vulnerable-narcissists.
ISFJ often perceive things only on the surface level (even by sensor standards), are suckers for a “pretty face", and their neuro-psychology makes them the ideal narcissitic-codependent and pawn to the ESFJ (blind-loyalty, surface level perception, susceptibility to covert-narcissism). Lastly, ISFJ are notorious for impersonating other people's identities IRL and on the internet.
SUMMARY
Evil personality: 'ESFJ' (ALL), ESTJ (Cluster-b), ISFJ-2W1 (covert-narc/enabler).
[Secretly] Evil and narcissist-friendly gunts/flying-monkey: ISFP (ALL), ESFP (ALL), and ISFJ (2W1 enable ESFJ).
☝️ALL of them are secretly emotionally-disturbed, hence their need to create conflict as a distraction (at other people's expense, truly evil).
Spread the word! Thank you.
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Research ref: Raudha Athif, Ghislaine Maxwell, Marilyn Monroe, Karen, ESFJ-narcissists, ESFJ-neurology, Gaslighting, Amber Heard, Fake feminism, Rising of a shield hero (Malty-'ESFJ'; XSFX spread disinformation online. ISFJ is the main culprit; ISFJ largely perceive things on the surface level), 'Brood-parasitism’- XSFJ natural psychology..
Honestly, it's reached the point where if a STEREOTYPICAL woman ('ESFJ', ESFP/ISFP, ESTP) complained about sexual assault - so what?! Most women have a 4 to 30+ body-count anyway!!! The one and only significant difference is 'PERMISSION' to "fornicate on used goods".
The alcohol only helps to NUMB their instinct that tried to discourage them from going through with it!!!
Since their body is not a sacred temple, can you not see how their internal environment (mind, spirit and emotion) is a cesspool of a mess! The influence of 'ESFP'/ISFP (moral depravity-a core trait for them), and 'ESFJ' cover-narcissism, especially in the school environment is the cause for all of this! Careless INFP add to this as well (despite being a wonderful type). INFP overly accommodating psychology is easily exploited, corrupted by covert-narcissits (ESFP, ISFP, ESFJ, and Cluster-B) and the INFP turns into an enabler of "sexual depravity". It happens a lot. Take a look at most sexual movements. This is why intelligence and the foresight to "look at the bigger picture" when making important decisions - like an intelligent person should be able to do... Is extremely important!
Most movements do not account for corrupt members, i.e. member that secretly harbor an ulterior, degenerate motive! Case in point, today's feminism, charities, etc. And yet we wonder how it came cancerous and only facilitates "prasites" (who secretly experience a [metaphorically] cannibalising psychology/state of mind).
I hope that intelligent and spiritually clean humans will take the time to dissect and understand this comment.
So she HAD to kiss him bc he gave her flowers. 🫠🙃
You should expect your hooker to love you..
@@chrisw9122 If she's interested, she HAD to show it in some way. It could be more enthusiasm at the gifts, accepting the invitations to future dates, or kissing him when he asked. She didn't respond positively to any of those advances and wonders why he stopped showing interest.
My experience has been if a woman likes you there will be no barriers. If she doesn’t, she’ll make up all kinds of barriers to intimacy. She’d be rolling in the hay on the first date if she liked him. Unfortunately, it is what it is.
100%
Women would give men crap for not reading the "obvious" signals, and now they men are reading them, they complain that men aren't try anymore.
Damned if we do...
There should definitely be barriers to intimacy. If a woman wants to wait til marriage, does a man think she isn't interested?
@@Jlove85 a man will respect that if she is a virgin
@@colbalt95 Yeah that 3 Month no kissing rule Canadian Escort turned dating coach preys on exactly the type of men you describe
A hug to most males means friend-zone.
Like a kiss on the cheek.
He’s trying to read her romantic interest in him and obviously, in the end, he thought she didn’t have any.
If she opened her mouth and actually said what she was thinking this whole situation could have be been avoided.
@@harambe4267 Absolutely! Well said!
Yeah, that hug was all the guy needed. Props to him for picking up on that.
Picking up on explicit *spoken* rejection?? No skills required for that.
People who got into a relationship before 2020 and kept that relationship strong are truly blessed
2/2019- 1/2023 😅 it’s over
True. It’s a war zone out here today
are they really? lol
Got that right
I dated this women that was real conservative when it came to dating and she was very upfront about it which I appreciated. It helped me understand to not expect a very forward approach and it did at times leave me questioning if I was headed towards the friend-zone or a romantic relationship. It felt like a hot & cold approach on her side, we had great rapport and got along real well in person, but when we were in-between dates there was very little contact, but she did come off as interested as she would often text me first or tell me that she was thinking about me. It was enough to turn 3 kissless dates into a 4th date that had a huge swing from what felt like a friendship into a romantic relationship and the date ended with a kiss. It sometimes helps to have patience, but I honestly wouldn't have had the patience to hang around if she hadn't been very communicative on her dating approach. People just need to communicate better from the start when dating someone, but in a world where withholding information is viewed as mysterious/interesting and ghosting is how people move on I just don't see that happening when it comes to dating. It was honestly one of the most healthiest starts to dating I've ever been apart of.
Great story and good on you both for working that through together.
This is great. I am very upfront about not wanting to sleep with a guy I'm getting to know. A lot of guys have superficial attraction so it helps keep them not interested in me.
@@Jlove85 What if a women does everything that the OP explained but she doesn't reach out at all. For example, I went on a date with a woman and she doesn't text me afterwards or initiate it anything. However, it was a great first date and we click instantly and she responds to text. What should I do?
@@mario125ww Ask her if she wants to continue to see you. If she says yes let her know your expectations and how you feel about communication. I can tell you from a woman's pov, well from mine, that I don't make calls much. I do want a guy to pursue me and show his interest. Some of us may feel like we're doing too much or even been told we are by nonchalant guys who probably are seeing multiple girls. There's so much about reaching out first that can induce a little anxiety (not to excuse this) But if you're reaching out and she isn't after you have let her know what's up, don't keep asking her to.. Take what you enjoyed and remember that when looking for the next one. Don't treat the next like she did that tho. And definitely don't down yourself or her. Good luck 💚
@@mario125ww it's definitely a case by case thing. Just be upfront with her, let her know you do like her
Full disclosure - I am an older guy and my dating years are in the past. I learned back in the day to ask before the first kiss. I learned that some women felt you weren't into them (or perhaps might be gay, no kidding) if you didn't try to kiss them on the first or second date. Other women were offended if you tried for a goodnight kiss too soon. You have no way of knowing unless you either ask or just try, you use judgement on which approach to take. I don't think things have changed that much,
You don't ask, you tell them you want to kiss her but it feels a bit to soon. Trust me, that works soooo much better.
@@DJ_CJ_NL I did all the ways- just go for it, ask for permission, put up notice like "I want to.." I actually really want a best response rather than a more frequent positive response. for now I'm going to go with "kiss me." the actual kiss and further interactions may or may not happen, but I think my intentions will be most truthfully answered with such an approach 😎
40yo---I like to pet their one or both of their arms depending on how close they are, gently stroking it, and saying something like "stay a minute" or "I've had a blast tonight" and wait for them to give a reaction (verbal or otherwise) and then if they give me good vibes tell them to kiss me, by saying "kiss me" or "I want a kiss".... but if she's touchy-feely the whole date, even more than me, and she gives me a really full and tight hug, I might say, I think you got something on your lip, (to make her self-conscience) go in for closer inspection, and do the it just happened kind of kiss. I really don't like "asking" for a kiss, because some girls/women make fun of that shit and enjoy the humiliation aspects of dealing with men, and others will think you're wanting them to dominate you, both of which are things I'm not into. I tend to avoid all interactions where I am a "dependent" with a woman unless they are a nurse, and I woke up in the Hospital, because there is a percentage of women out there into humiliation or domination and if they read you as a 'sub', you're gonna have an even worst time of it than a simp unless you're into that sort of thing! During the dating phase, I prefer to conduct myself in such a way that her friends will be good to me, and wink at me when she's not looking, even if I don't go all the way with her and make things "official."
But full disclose, I've taken a long break from dating, started watching all these kinds of videos because the culture was changing faster than I could keep up. I just talk to women these days, and enough for me to not to beocme a total hermit, for the most part, I usually don't want it to go any further than that.
I'll play with their earings/rings from the start. Get arm contact/hand holding. Whisper to get them close and caress the baby hairs or chin.
Then go for peck on forehead or cheek. Their reaction will tell you what they want. Sometimes they'll even go for the kiss. Kiss by middle of date.
Dating used to have structure and rules of engagement. That helped keep things from being too confusing. Then we threw all that shit out the window for some reason, lol
the "we" you refer to only includes half of the population, a little over half. And maybe some of them are starting to regret it.
I wish we still had rules of engagement, it would make things a lot better. I hate modern society.
On that note, the concept of dating is still fairly new in the history of humanity. Several generations ago, arranged marriages was the norm. No exploring compatibility, you just get what you get whether you like it or not. Simple, but does not sound ideal to me at all.
Narrowly avoided _the friend zone._ Let him be an inspiration to us all.
Ladies, if you want something from a guy, communicate it to them. If you don't want something, communicate it.
Time and time again, us guys are told and shown that we need to mind read. Yet, we're supposed to understand that every woman out there is an individual; that one may like things a certain way, but her way isn't universal. Eventually, what are we supposed to do?
maaan, you are speaking BIG facts right here 👍
Yup, i've f'd up before and escalated into sex too quickly in some relationships and the woman has felt burned. Then I've had relationships where I did not escalate and the woman felt like i wasnt attracted to her and the relationship failed or i got friendzoned. It is a nightmare judging if a woman is down to have sex and when given their monthly cycle and emotional rollercoaster mind
IMO, women aren't straight forward. Which is fine. The problem with this woman is she expects attention without reciprocation, & badmouths a guy for leaving when he had every right to do so.
@@immaduck9232 Well, all I can say is when I am straight forward, I am sometimes accused of being a b*tch (no likes to be rejected no matter how nicely you try to say it). And men don't always communicate either. I had a couple of dates with really nice man. He told me he enjoyed my company but there were no sparks. I agreed. We stayed friends. Amazing things happen when people actually talk and listen. But it is two way street. I've also had men get all upset and complain about taking me out when I wasn't interested in them. I didn't know I wasn't interested in them UNTIL we went out. I have no idea of there is a solution to this. It just seems to be a very human problem.
There’s potentially a biological explanation for this. Once a woman has to tell a man what to do / what she wants, she’s stepping into a masculine framework where she would usually view her man as the leader, now she’s had to direct him, and she loses confidence in him. True or not, I agree, women need to learn to ignore this (instinct?) and communicate their needs.
We can say, thanks to complications of modern dating, Men are learning to treasure and value of their own time more than anything/anyone. The ghosting was a balanced rational-emotional response to such situation.
As someone who WAS with a narcissist for TWO YEARS & only realised after being told by my therapist, I can tell you that most people are NOT narcissists! It’s a LOT less common than you think.
I think she was sizing him up for the position of back up guy. Not surprised she was ghosted.
I concur, narcissism is really common nowadays especially with social media around many hoes wanna be famous and will jump pogo sticks with the one with most cash or potential
people may not be completely narcissists but they sure have a lot of traits of one.
So is she a narcissist?
I think all people are Narcissists in essence.. We tend to pretty much instinctively think of ourselves first.. Some people are just oozingly and overly self centered than the rest of us.
@@Tonytayloring The guy sounds like a narcissist to me. He expected a lot for his efforts and ghosted her when he didn't get it...
Once on a second date hugged this girl goodbye (didn’t feel yet like going for a kiss because I wasn’t sure yet if I liked her) and she left me with “can we start this as friends?” I looked at her, smiled, and quietly shook my head. Walked back to my car and never contacted her again.
Like a TopG
So you wanna date this girl... but you don't want to be her friend. That's scary shit.
@@dontheador6649 Why would you want to be friends with a girl that you are sexually attracted of ? You wanna be a friendzoned fanboy?
@@dontheador6649 He wasn't even sure if he liked her enough to kiss her. That's some Bundy 💩 right there.
@@Dimens1oner Are there no friends with benefits anymore? Or am I just that handsome? I think it's sad you think that you're entitled to sex after a couple of cheap dates. That's why you guys are stuck in simp mode.
With how females largely marginalize and adversely label guys that ARE NOT doing anything wrong, it was very kind of him to ask permission to kiss her; I thought he timed it right to think of kissing her on that 2nd date--and he got her flowers! Hats off to the guy for ghosting her as he should have, because to shut him down and only offer a hug is downright cold!
I am 69 years old I met my wife I was 35 years old on our 1st date I brought flowers for my date a Box of candy for her mother and I looked at her father and said for you sir I offer my hand... You give great advice men and women should both listen as I am still working in a critical care unit as a registered nurse and so often the young nurses around me ask me Dale why can't I find a guy like you, I guess we just saw an example in that young lady.
Are you saying that women like her say they want a guy like him, but then don't give back the same investment as he gives her (rejects him when he actually appears)?
yea back then it was easier.. women now expect traditional man without being traditional themselves... i bet you anything the young female nurses are giving it up to the alpha's left and right and don't know why they can't find a good man. LOL let them be strong and independent and need no man.. if she dies she dies.
Well, it isn't 1970 anymore bud. Women aren't the same. Landscape isn't the same. Home prices aren't the same. It'll never be the same. So obviously....we don't take advice from the older generation on love and marriage.
@@mobilemodular5725 He's not giving advice, he's sharing his experience. "Bud"? Check yourself. Good day.
@@mobilemodular5725 try to be more respectful. His not your “bud”. Have respect. And not asking older generations for advise is equivalent to shooting ourselves in the foot. I would take his advise and add a passport to that equation and you will get better results. “Bud”.
What is so difficult at saying: Hey, I'm not there/ready YET.
Telling him that you are interested but would like to know each other better first.
She would make out with a random person in the club, but wouldn't give a "Good-bye" to a guy doing all this for her.
Because he was attempting to buy her affection....the ski trip is all you have to know about his motivations.
No good deed goes unpunished. You do nice things for her, she’ll shit you a pile, and then get pissed because you don’t want to wipe her ass for her. You CREEP!🤣
@@cfosnock Not his fault. Most men don't know female nature. My point is that a chick can sleep with a random guy from the club but won't give a kiss to a guy shes dating?
@@ChuukeseStink All true...but apparently not this chick. Women like men have an instinct, I can only take her word. She was interested (she was on the second date), but something was not clicking, she says she felt rushed (he was moving too fast) she attempted to put on the breaks...he then ghosted her (note she did not say he never called me back), the ghosted person is the one cut off...based on that limited information her instincts were right. At the very least he was not man enough to accept that things are not going to go on his schedule. IE it was not going to go flowers check, dinner check, kiss check. Once his plan failed he either got flustered and left, or he felt that the juice was not worth the squeeze, and moved on, but that was on him, not her. That is my 2 cents anyway.
@@fleetinghopes6448 Sorry I only skimmed your post....your a grammar Nazi.
Second he ghosted her which represented that he was not interested in her but only what he could get
Third "You presume so much about the man." I was not he one who wrote a dissertation with presumptions on her motives..
Unfortunately this has happened to me so many times it’s made me cynical. So my views changed strangely now I stopped showing interest and stared to work on myself, going to the gym, concentrating on my dancing hobby. I decided to give up and not bother with dating ,women are starting to show interest.
It’s nice to see someone like Courtney seeing it from our side for a change. So from a somewhat bitter person trying to be better thanks
Apropos “for a change,” Courtney does see it from a man’s perspective very often.
I've simply lost interest in most women because of all the nonsense they put you through to get a "chance" to be with them.
Haha, you know theyll break rules and quickly say yes to chad. But for you, “oh no!” You gotta jump through hoops. I know because it happened before. A girl I chatted up a few days, she told me she is dating a guy and I hoped for the best. A week later she breaks up tells me it was a hot asshole guy and even went to his house twice. I asked for a date a week later and she cancelled lol. She blamed it on depression and anxiety. Such bull lol.
At first I wasn't sure what to think but... I think you're right. A lot of women don't know how to show interest. My ex was from Brazil and from day one she was all over me. Even for a Brazilian (who tend to be affectionate in general) she was very clearly into me.
Showing interest is hot. I know it can take time to decide if you want a relationship, but you've gotta let someone know you want to see them again.
Might seem weird but since then I've stopped dating American girls altogether. IN GENERAL they are less affectionate, entitled, don't know how to cook, don't know how to dress themselves, and less respectful. Latinas in my experience are the complete opposite
Latina women are the way to go. My girlfriend is also Latina and it is refreshing how much they show affection in return, also with strong personalities of their own and traditional beliefs.
Asian women too!! I've dated asian women in the US and they are great. They show interest in guys they are interested in!
@@brent4073 i believe it!
@@Dominicanadaa yeah, they are a blast!
Fuckin' a right, Dude! I stopped dating American women ages ago for the same reasons you cited.
I am married, but you are right. At one time I was talking to a lady and she was not interested in me and it showed I thought. So I went my way. Then a month later I get a call from her asking what happen. By this time I was dating another lady. That would become my wife. So I told her, I was with someone else. Then hung up. I would say, Stop mixing signals. This would be confusing to a man.
Dating was tough when I was doing it (for the guys, anyway) but I think I’d be lost now. You used to see a girl you’d want to talk to, ask (which takes a bit of courage since we do the asking) to talk, and she would respond. Now, just from observation, women just swipe,swipe,swipe until they get to a picture of some guy with a boat behind him. You don’t talk to him, see if he’s well spoken, and just believe whatever nonsense he writes (usually with bad grammar) below his picture. There is no human connection, no way to judge social graces or courtesy…nothing. Also, sorry, but in my day sending a woman flowers wasn’t a crime-they actually appreciated it. I guess I’m just happy that I don’t have to be out there. I’d be totally lost.
"You used to see a girl you’d want to talk to, ask (which takes a bit of courage since we do the asking) to talk, and she would respond."
Are you referring to dating apps or speaking to her in person?
We must be of similar Ava and I’m no longer in the game as well. However, I was dating for a long time before I met my wife and I learned the hard way that flowers and stuff like that no longer work! Florist these days are for funerals, weddings and get well soon situations lol! This is try unless you’re older and wifey still expect those things for anniversaries and Valentine’s Day.
Unless you are officially together bf gf etc. Giving flowers is almost considered a$$ult with a deadly weapon if she doesn't find you highly attractive.
@@antonboludo8886 In person, like two human beings interacting with each other.
@@TOhara-eb2lp Exactly! I have never used any of these dating apps. I talk to all people face to face.
As you say, it takes a bit of courage to walk up to a woman you do not know (if you are interested in her romantically) and start a conversation with her, but courage can be built up over time with repetition.
If you are not interested in her in a romantic way, then there is no real problem. It could be anyone, regardless of gender, age etc... You are just conversing and exchanging ideas with another person.
Another situation is if the woman you are interested in is with a group of people, be it her friends (male or female) or with her family. This is an entirely different situation.
What if you approach her while she is at work at a job in which she works with the public? Again this is not the same thing.
All of these are entirely different scenarios.
Just get out there and build real-life experience.
Boy, do I feel better!! I actually had this same scenario play out (minus the flowers) with a woman I had been out with 4 times over 6-week period. Yup, when you get a hug vs a kiss offer, there's your sign!! I cancelled the date we were going to have the next morning; she went ballistic and I'm now on to someone else who won't waste my time and efforts. (hopefully) 😂
Man, do not waste your time. A woman decides within 7 SECONDS if she is going to do stuff with you. Literally. If you do not get a good night kiss on the first date, move on immediately.
So did she move on?
@@NealIRC Did she move on? I DID!! She didn’t have any other choice since I haven’t considered her since then.
@@cblanton42 she does have a choice, she could try to chase you, to find out if you moved on or not.
@@NealIRC Oh, well it wouldn't have mattered even if she did try and chase me. I moved on, PERIOD. She's already shown her true colors and how she feels my friend, move on! If she was just playing games well, I don't play games anymore. You can't force someone to love or like you, if it's not there move on. It kinda sucks but it also feels good when you do it, you feel better about yourself. Trust me!
I haven't dated in years, and watching this and another couple of CR videos just confirmed one more time I made the right decision. When I dated and things didn't work out, it was always my fault. You are either too slow or too fast, you try too hard or not hard enough, and the goalposts keep getting moved all the time. No self awareness by people who afterwards still expect you to be persistent despite them having zero interest in you. Exhausting. I don't understand why people even do this anymore. But, best of luck to all of you working it out there who are not playing games and just doing the best you can. I hope you find your needle in the proverbial haystack and that you won't get pricked by it.
Very well said!
I got the same stuff; you're moving too fast. You're moving too slow. Your hair is too long, you look like a psycho. Your hair is too short, you look like a psycho. You should shave. You should grow a beard.
You need to make more money. You're always at work.
Jesus Criminy, you can't win!
One of the best comments I’ve read, totally relatable, and nowadays girls choose to be transparent in TikTok but god forgive if you ask them What you did wrong, THEY WILL NEVER EVER TELL YOU!
Stopped dating since 2008.. saved a ton of money and retired to part time at 30
It's all a bunch of bs games and a waste of time. Until someone shows effort it's not worth it.
Am I the only one that find Courtney’s voice so relaxing and soothing
Yes, she has a very lovely manner.
yes, and especially because she makes sense as well 🙂
She doesn't have a speck of "vocal fry" that plagues most younger women these days. Like fingernails on a chalkboard for me.
I’ve got a personal policy on this too: back when I was trying to find a relationship and a girl showed no interest in me when I clearly showed interest in her, I dropped her immediately and disappeared from her life. When her friends would reach out to me and try to convince me to try again I refused. I don’t waste any time whatsoever on mind games or the “hard-to-get” games. She will reciprocate 100% of my effort or I’m done instantly.
I’m through with the dating scene and staying single and couldn’t be happier!
@CRD1993. You are so "through with the dating scene" you watch videos of a girl who coaches men on how to negotiate the dating scene.
@@LABoyko hmmm... you have made a good point. I will give you that.
One chance only. No second chances. If all men adhered to this, the game-players would be weeded out, and left in the rear view, wondering WTF happened.
@@LABoyko It’s called cheap entertainment.
@@Luked0g440 Yes! This precisely. This video came up on my RUclips home page and that's why I watched it. Cheap Entertainment.
"just a hug": I had to laugh. All she had to say was "I don't kiss till the ___ th date. Now for those who want a classy way to friend zone: I once met a gal during a winery tour in Italy (talk about a meet-cute) and we ended up driving lost and touring through Tuscany over the next six hours. This had such potential. At the end of the day, as I was dropping her off, and we'd already exchanged facebook addresses, she turned to me and said: "let's say goodby Italian style, touching cheek to cheek." Did I take it as friend zoning? Yes. Was I hurt? No. It was so darn classy that to this day, a dozen years later, I recall our day fondly.
Yeah agree she has a right to no to a kiss this early but could of said it differently
That woman doesn’t understand reciprocity. It’s 2023, we look for women we’re dating to show the same effort and energy we put out.
As you should!!
As if a girl is going to buy a guy a dozen long-stemmed roses.
Exactly true. I met a girl online and we chatted for literally 6 months online before meeting. I was talking to other people as well (as you do) but talking for 6 months was a her thing. I was willing to take that time to make her comfortable. When it came time to meeting and having any physicality she wasn’t into moving quickly either. That’s when I completely cut it off. I felt it was completely one sided and unrealistic for her to not expect that I’d want that. Especially after having built a pretty relationship by then. We would FaceTime often and talk on the phone so it wasn’t like there wasn’t an attraction there.
@@chrisn2125 you talked for six months before meeting? You were her gay male girlfriend 😂 it was obvious you weren’t gonna get anything physical, bud. You should be meeting up within a week. If not then you’re wasting your time
@@bigneiltoo …I’d shamelessly be ring shopping the next DAY if that happened to me.
I like that she accuses him of ghosting her after she flatly rejected him 🤣🤣
He didn't ghost you, he accepted your rejection. Simple as that lol
If she actually likes him, she should reach out to him and clear up the misunderstanding.
At the same time, I believe the first point you made about labeling all aspects of relationships is extremely true and the downfall of potential relationships because they shut down the interactions before you even really get to know the other person. She would try to approach her interactions with men more genuinely, I think.
She doesn't like "him" or anybody, she just wants to dominate the situation and have an ego boost.
That's a good idea about her reaching out! And you're also right with that last sentence. The best thing is to show up genuinely, because then you'll naturally connect with the people who are right for you with more ease.
I disagree. They weren't compatible. People want partners who share their tolerance for emotional risk, and this woman clearly did not share this man's. In any case, we're all better off in the long run if we learn the lessons of our failures than if we try to undo those failures to avoid learning the lessons.
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"Evil" is the antithesis to the virtue: 'humanity'. Humanity is the characteristic that defines the human spirit. Humanity is symbiosis across humans and society. 'Humanity' exceeds 'social-darwinism'.
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NEURO-PERSONALITY
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"SENSORY-FEELERS" ARE LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR SPREADING DISINFORMATION AND HATE TOWARDS ENTJ/INTJ (AGAINST "THINKERS" IN GENERAL)-BOTH IRL AND ON THE INTERNET; DESPITE THOSE NEURO-PERSONALITY TYPES BEING A BLESSING TO SOCIETY AND ALL OF MANKIND! THEY DESERVE BETTER! 😤
'ESFJ', 'ESFP', ISFP and ISFJ are a pathogen to humanity, and 'then' Cluster-B (depending on they neuro-personality).
THEIR "FEELINGS 'IS' THEIR REALITY", THEY ALSO HAVE A MALICIOUS-MIND BY DEFAULT (excluding normal ISFJ). DESPITE HAVING MALICIOUS INTENT THEY ARE ALL EMOTIONALLY-WEAK AND PRONE TO COVERT/VULNERABLE-NARCISSISM.
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Also... To intelligent readers (who do 'not’ have a ‘pathological disregard for rationality and reality').
I recommend researching 'narcissistic personality disorder' (NPD) / 'cluster-B'; and know that they are the 'root of all evil' (especially 'ESFJ/ESTJ-narcissist'; Myers-Briggs reference, look it up)!
European 'ESFJ' are the worst personality type, and they are responsible for inventing 'racism' and colonization! It is in their neuro-psychology!!!
They are extremely 'manipulative' and often use 'looking pretty' to distract others from the witch's mind-games / mind-r@pe, e.g. gaslighting, playing the victim/damsel in distress, creating "flying-monkeys", and 'bribing' others (with money or BJ) to attack, or at times, kill someone for her. When caught, she will use her minions as scapegoats. European ESFJ are notorious for this especially in a racist context, e.g. Emmett Till.
xSFP and ISFJ (2W1) are the most complicit, narcissistic-enablers. ISFP also tend to be 'oblivious-codependents' (look up the definition). Like ESFJ, XSFP's "feelings 'is' their reality." Most are covert/vulnerable-narcissists.
ISFJ often perceive things only on the surface level (even by sensor standards), are suckers for a “pretty face", and their neuro-psychology makes them the ideal narcissitic-codependent and pawn to the ESFJ (blind-loyalty, surface level perception, susceptibility to covert-narcissism). Lastly, ISFJ are notorious for impersonating other people's identities IRL and on the internet.
SUMMARY
Evil personality: 'ESFJ' (ALL), ESTJ (Cluster-b), ISFJ-2W1 (covert-narc/enabler).
[Secretly] Evil and narcissist-friendly gunts/flying-monkey: ISFP (ALL), ESFP (ALL), and ISFJ (2W1 enable ESFJ).
☝️ALL of them are secretly emotionally-disturbed, hence their need to create conflict as a distraction (at other people's expense, truly evil).
Spread the word! Thank you.
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Research ref: Raudha Athif, Ghislaine Maxwell, Marilyn Monroe, Karen, ESFJ-narcissists, ESFJ-neurology, Gaslighting, Amber Heard, Fake feminism, Rising of a shield hero (Malty-'ESFJ'; XSFX spread disinformation online. ISFJ is the main culprit; ISFJ largely perceive things on the surface level), 'Brood-parasitism’- XSFJ natural psychology..
@@cisium1184 You've got a point, for sure. Most of the time in the early dating stages, if the other person isn't showing the same emotional risk, it's better to walk away because it's a sign that there's a disconnect on the most basic level between both people. But I've also learned (especially because I've messed up in the past) that sometimes simple communication can solve a lot of unnecessary confusion. And often we're all worried about looking needy that we don't speak our minds. So it just feels like in modern dating, there's definitely a lack of communication, and both sides just end up being bitter at each other.
Happened to me. Truth is, she actually liked him alot but her behavior was insincere and incongruent with what was actually there and happening before her. Met a girl having a drink after work. Had amazing conversation and the spark was there big time. A bit later we both stood up and turned around from bar to talk about the movie being projected on the wall, again great connection. I put my arm around her, she took it off (totally incongruent with what we had) I got check, told her had to go. She even said "wait" to me. I couldn't wait, I left. Problem is, the girl you mention here has some sort of roadblock in place for something good when it is right in front of her. It screams I'm unable to be vulnerable and get close to a man even if I'm interested and I have issues.
In her defense, putting your arm around a woman you just met 30 minutes ago is hyper aggressive.
She would not have said wait the way she did unless there were fireworks with her as well, incredible deep conversation and connection.I can't convey the nuance of a connection like this in writing but it felt totally unforced and natural to put my arm around her at this point. When something like that comes along it can take you off guard but it is a mistake for her to run away. In retrospect I should have stayed as well. It takes you by surprise and quite frankly we both in our own way acted on the fear of something so right it is scary.
Oof, that was aggressive on your part. If a girl I just met 30 mins ago held my hand while walking, i would feel a certain way because somethings are just too soon even if it makes sense.
@@sunfish4095 you should've held hands (hand in hand) first; then clasp fingers; then and only then, put your arm around her shoulder. I read a book on body language, and if you go through the steps, a girl won't interpret you as moving too fast; if you skip a step, she'll feel like you're moving too fast.
The well has been poisoned is all. In college, in a class mind you we were taught it was wrong to even look at a woman. This guy in the video here, I'm sure he was taught the whole affirmative consent thing and to ask permission to kiss and upon every progression. Men know there are kangaroo court tribunals on campus that will ruin their life so are taking a great risk even going near a woman already. All these messages just has men walking on eggshells and women have their guard up.
In my case and in this guy's case when the man bridged the divide the woman sent the wrong signal according to what they actually wanted.
Given the environment men face, the right thing to do in both his situation and mine is to immediately break contact and leave. The reality though is that everybody loses.
When I saw the tiktok video I remembered the advice of Coach Corey Wayne, he says "never give gifts before she's your girl", also, "don't start planning the next date while you're on a date" and "read the body language, if it's the right thing to do, go for the kiss but never ask for permission", as men we need to have the right structure and guidance to succeed on dating
Oh women don't even need to reject you. Every workplace I've ever gone to, there are at least a few women who are consistently trying to prove that I'm stalking them. The more I try to avoid them, the bigger the ego wound, the more they come after me. I gave up on dating. Women only use me as a boogeyman, despite how much I try to avoid women. I'm autistic, I know where my eyes are facing. But, "he stares a lot" is just vague enough that I can't disprove it.
Im slightly autistic and have been through the same at a former workplace. Women spreading false rumors abt me
She referred to him as "The Boy". A title she probably came up with after the first date and her feeling that he was simping. She was going to play games with yet another "boy" but he did the preemptive breakup and now she is pouting about it.
Interesting observation! Thanks for sharing...
This is why you've got to psychologically be smarter than your average modern women, who's only goal at this point is to cause chaos, manipulate and play games with you, until they leave you destroyed for the next gullible nice guy.
All whilst riding the big D carousel train, probably behind your back too, just to humiliate you that bit further. Probably body shame your penis size to all their friends aswell, just to drive you to mental illness and body dysmorphia for what you can't help about your body of course.
Someone remind me again what the reedemable quality is in these modern women? I'm not seeing anything other than pure nasty lol
Every time I put in extra effort with women (buy flowers, take out to dinner, try to get to know her better before sex etc), they curve me. I have the total opposite experience when I don't put in extra effort and am sexually aggressive early on.
My personal experience has made it hard to take women seriously when it comes to dating/relationships. They are just impossible and unrealistic, which is why so many my age (late 30s) are single.
Pov: she ordered roses online herself to make a video about dating :)
I’m in my early 30’s now (my dating life has sucked tbh). But I’ve been trying lately. Anyhow, I built the courage to ask out the bartender and I went out with her a few times. Despite us vibing well, I couldn’t tell if she liked me or just saw me as just as a friend.
My friends basically told me to either make a move or to let her know I was interested. That way I don’t get “friendzoned” for trying too hard to be just the friend or the possibility of another guy coming in and making a move because I’m too scared lol. (She’s fairly attractive girl).
Unfortunately, it didn’t work in my favor and she wanted to keep it as friends. But I’m glad I followed some of the advice on here.
I pursued and showed interest. But rather than chasing her and sounding desperate/trying to force something to happen I stopped and backed off after she said no. I wasn’t too hurt about being rejected. Proud that I asked and left no what if’s behind.
Keep your head up kings 👑.
Get your passports brother! Thailand is awesome 💯🔥🔥🔥
I always wondered why a woman would let you date her, go one on one, and then want to be just friends. The asking out alone is implied its romantic. I think they just either trying to get a free ride or a free meal, unless she is paying for all her stuff then maybe she wants to be friends. Did she pay for her meals etc?
@@raaspider
That’s what I’m saying lol. I took her snowboarding which took us 3.5 hours just to get there. We basically hung out the whole day 1 on 1. Which is why I decided to speak up because no girl is going go that far with some guy they barely know. (4th time we hung out)
She did offer to pay for her things but I didn’t let her. Personality wise, she’s nice and comes off pretty genuine compared to some of the other girls I’ve met. So I don’t think there was any “free ride” mentally.
Although, I guess you can say reciprocation. She didn’t really reach out to me often. So that was kinda of sign of interest level. However, I didn’t want to be butt buddies or be texting everyday. That’s how I end up in the friend zone (happened twice).
And I saw her last night. I gave her a quick hello. Just to show there’s no hard feelings and maturity level. Ball is in her court. Plenty of girls out there.
@@raaspider exactly. They are just wasting your time as a man. They know right away just off attraction alone weather or not they would date you.
I think the bottom line is that women want “some” men to chase them, but the others should stay away. They also want you to read their minds and know exactly what they want and when they want it. For me personally the refusing to kiss me would have have been a pretty strong indicator that I was being friend zoned so I probably would’ve done the same thing that this dude did. I think he was a little to over eager and maybe should’ve played things by ear more. To me dating these days is like playing pull tabs at the bar. You just have to try and guess where your winners are and buy from that box. However there’s no sure fire way to know if you’re making the right choice
I know this feeling. I use to drown this girl in attention and when I stopped, a few months later she hit me up wondering what happened and why i stopped hitting her up, liking all her pics and commenting all types of love ish on her posts. Trust me they will notice once you finally stop. It's just that this one actually cared enough to reach out, most will not do that
Stuff like this is why I've totally walked away from the dating scene. It's just not worth the hassle and drama
I’m seeing this 2 months after it was put up, but, the biggest thing I got from the TikTok in it was that she seemed willing to communicate with the world about all of this while not being a great communicator to him. I feel that may be the bigger issue for her - it’s important to be able to say, “Hey this is a bit much for me,” or “I am not comfortable with kissing on the second date.” Being entirely fair, kissing is an intimate act despite it being publicly acceptable, and depending on one’s upbringing, beliefs and values, that may be something they’d prefer to reserve for after they’ve gotten to know a person better. My question to her is, “Did you try to reach out after the fact?” We use this term ‘ghosting,’ but it takes 2 for communication to happen. A failure to communicate the evening of could’ve been rectified the next day or two later, if it turns out she genuinely was interested.
We’re making an assumption here that there was no interest on her part - it’s entirely possible that she just needs to learn how to communicate when it comes to boundaries and expressing them (which is still a red flag, because it does express a lack of emotional and social maturity when you cannot express those emotions or define limits).
I get her confusion - it exists on both sides. It’s pointed out constantly that us men need to be better communicators - sounds like the guy in this situation communicated clearly. The ability to communicate clearly and directly needs work in both directions.
Women in general : Men don’t pick up on signals
Man on date: picks up mixed lukewarm signals from lady so moves on with life
Lady: Why did he ghost me? I had fun just didn’t express it…
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This is mostly why I remain single. While getting to know women through social media or dating apps lead you on a bit, then reject you, I walk away and then they stalk your stories on social media without talking or apologizing for wasting my time.
I deleted all social media besides RUclips and I feel a way better because of it. I also have more luck with women because the only way I meet them now is out at events or hanging with friends. The women that show interest are better than the ones that used to be hit and cold on social media.
this year I realize being a better version of yourself is the key to success for 2023. I stopped looking for women I’ve been worried about making more money and going to gym and find new hobbies. I’m really proud that my social skills have improved
Yesterday on the radio I heard about a young man who took his date to see his Grandma and played cards. She was so pissed and thought him a looser.
Let's play what if: What if he's financially loaded(inventor of zoom, etc) and he's trying to weed out the "golddiggers" and find a mate and mother for his kids?
It's okay to take people on an inexpensive date, like walking around in the park for example. Having the Grandma at the date is weird however
Give women absolute freedom and they organize themselves into harems for the top 1% men.
oh man !!!
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They also end the lives of their infant children in the womb on masse.
Wow. On point my dude
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the problem these days are young girls watching 19 min of youtube videos and then thinking they are qualified psychologists , psychoanalyzing every guy they meet based mostly on urban myth and common gossip
Yup
If I was the guy in that scenario I’d assume she wasn’t into me. You can’t force attraction. Then getting a hug as a consolation prize… yeah he did the right thing. I also don’t think he “ghosted” her. He simply moved on. Has she been texting him over and over and not getting a response? Probably not. She’s too proud for that and most likely has a waiting room full of dudes ready to give her attention.
Yeah, I agree that just moving on after one or two dates isn't really ghosting
Highly doubt she reached out in any way. She was probably so comfortable in the being chased spot she didn't even consider messaging him and by the time she did want a text she probably was afraid of the possible rejection of reaching out herself, which is ironic considering she expects him to keep trying after multiple rejections.
I'm not single, happily married for 18 years after a bitter divorce from a previous 7 year marriage (a few years trying to date in my 30's in between). This advice was as solid in 2003 as it is today. You're right in that this behavior has gone on for way too long, and kudos to this guy for walking when he did.
I do the same thing. The moment I feel a woman shows no interest I move on. I've been through the ringer too many times when I was younger and I don't chase anymore.
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"Evil" is the antithesis to the virtue: 'humanity'. Humanity is the characteristic that defines the human spirit. Humanity is symbiosis across humans and society. 'Humanity' exceeds 'social-darwinism'.
.............................
NEURO-PERSONALITY
.............................
"SENSORY-FEELERS" ARE LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR SPREADING DISINFORMATION AND HATE TOWARDS ENTJ/INTJ (AGAINST "THINKERS" IN GENERAL)-BOTH IRL AND ON THE INTERNET; DESPITE THOSE NEURO-PERSONALITY TYPES BEING A BLESSING TO SOCIETY AND ALL OF MANKIND! THEY DESERVE BETTER! 😤
'ESFJ', 'ESFP', ISFP and ISFJ are a pathogen to humanity, and 'then' Cluster-B (depending on they neuro-personality).
THEIR "FEELINGS 'IS' THEIR REALITY", THEY ALSO HAVE A MALICIOUS-MIND BY DEFAULT (excluding normal ISFJ). DESPITE HAVING MALICIOUS INTENT THEY ARE ALL EMOTIONALLY-WEAK AND PRONE TO COVERT/VULNERABLE-NARCISSISM.
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Also... To intelligent readers (who do 'not’ have a ‘pathological disregard for rationality and reality').
I recommend researching 'narcissistic personality disorder' (NPD) / 'cluster-B'; and know that they are the 'root of all evil' (especially 'ESFJ/ESTJ-narcissist'; Myers-Briggs reference, look it up)!
European 'ESFJ' are the worst personality type, and they are responsible for inventing 'racism' and colonization! It is in their neuro-psychology!!!
They are extremely 'manipulative' and often use 'looking pretty' to distract others from the witch's mind-games / mind-r@pe, e.g. gaslighting, playing the victim/damsel in distress, creating "flying-monkeys", and 'bribing' others (with money or BJ) to attack, or at times, kill someone for her. When caught, she will use her minions as scapegoats. European ESFJ are notorious for this especially in a racist context, e.g. Emmett Till.
xSFP and ISFJ (2W1) are the most complicit, narcissistic-enablers. ISFP also tend to be 'oblivious-codependents' (look up the definition). Like ESFJ, XSFP's "feelings 'is' their reality." Most are covert/vulnerable-narcissists.
ISFJ often perceive things only on the surface level (even by sensor standards), are suckers for a “pretty face", and their neuro-psychology makes them the ideal narcissitic-codependent and pawn to the ESFJ (blind-loyalty, surface level perception, susceptibility to covert-narcissism). Lastly, ISFJ are notorious for impersonating other people's identities IRL and on the internet.
SUMMARY
Evil personality: 'ESFJ' (ALL), ESTJ (Cluster-b), ISFJ-2W1 (covert-narc/enabler).
[Secretly] Evil and narcissist-friendly gunts/flying-monkey: ISFP (ALL), ESFP (ALL), and ISFJ (2W1 enable ESFJ).
☝️ALL of them are secretly emotionally-disturbed, hence their need to create conflict as a distraction (at other people's expense, truly evil).
Spread the word! Thank you.
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Research ref: Raudha Athif, Ghislaine Maxwell, Marilyn Monroe, Karen, ESFJ-narcissists, ESFJ-neurology, Gaslighting, Amber Heard, Fake feminism, Rising of a shield hero (Malty-'ESFJ'; XSFX spread disinformation online. ISFJ is the main culprit; ISFJ largely perceive things on the surface level), 'Brood-parasitism’- XSFJ natural psychology..
Honestly, it's reached the point where if a STEREOTYPICAL woman ('ESFJ', ESFP/ISFP, ESTP) complained about sexual assault - so what?! Most women have a 4 to 30+ body-count anyway!!! The one and only significant difference is 'PERMISSION' to "fornicate on used goods".
The alcohol only helps to NUMB their instinct that tried to discourage them from going through with it!!!
Since their body is not a sacred temple, can you not see how their internal environment (mind, spirit and emotion) is a cesspool of a mess! The influence of 'ESFP'/ISFP (moral depravity-a core trait for them), and 'ESFJ' cover-narcissism, especially in the school environment is the cause for all of this! Careless INFP add to this as well (despite being a wonderful type). INFP overly accommodating psychology is easily exploited, corrupted by covert-narcissits (ESFP, ISFP, ESFJ, and Cluster-B) and the INFP turns into an enabler of "sexual depravity". It happens a lot. Take a look at most sexual movements. This is why intelligence and the foresight to "look at the bigger picture" when making important decisions - like an intelligent person should be able to do... Is extremely important!
Most movements do not account for corrupt members, i.e. member that secretly harbor an ulterior, degenerate motive! Case in point, today's feminism, charities, etc. And yet we wonder how it came cancerous and only facilitates "prasites" (who secretly experience a [metaphorically] cannibalising psychology/state of mind).
I hope that intelligent and spiritually clean humans will take the time to dissect and understand this comment.
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@@Human_01 WTF are you talking about. Lay off the drugs.
Did she try to reach out to him to clear up any misunderstanding, or did she just stay silent, waiting for him? If she was genuinely interested but maybe he came on too strongly, she could text him and say that. "Hey, sorry for the misunderstanding. It's not that I'm not interested, but I like to move a little more slowly. I did enjoy our dates and would like to go out again if you're up for it. My treat." I can't imagine him saying no to that. If she did NOT reach out to him and just waited for him to follow up, then this is completely on her. It's hard enough for us to put ourselves out there, and we see it as a waste of time to pursue a girl who's not interested.
Seeing that she's a young, modern American woman, she didn't reach out.
@@markymarknj Sadly, you're probably right.
"maybe he came on too strongly" Trying to take a women out on a ski trip after two dates....if that is "maybe" I would hate to see what you consider strong. FYI he ghosted her...IE he did not reply, by default to be ghosted you have to have attempted communication. She was never given the opportunity to do anything, as he IMHO moved on to his next mark.
@@cfosnock Well, we'd need both sides to better judge, but a "ski trip" to me is a simple 2-hour drive, ski for 8 hours, then drive home, maybe stopping off for dinner on the way back. It's not like we're flying to Hawaii or something. She was talking about Mammoth if I recall, which is a popular ski resort near LA, so that's not that big of a deal. Consider it an all-day date. For a third date, that's not extreme at all. "Hey, I'm going skiing Saturday. Wanna come with?" No biggie.
@@pumpknhd Well going skiing here involves staying at a resort. I guess you could make it a day trip but I don't know anyone who does. Its about a 3 hour drive to the closest slopes,. Saying that its a valid point. It could have been a day trip and if so it does change the dynamic., but the bottom line she was uncomfortable with the pace he wanted to go, but she was going in the right direction, then he ghosted her over a kiss on the second date. Again it does change the dynamic a day trip is not insidious, I just thinking that cutting bait on the second date shows her instincts were right, but I admits you have a valid point and an over reaction oh her part seem more reasonable...again except for his total over reaction of you know ghosting her. .
Very recently, there was a girl that I met at the cafe where I study. I had a chat with her, and she told me: “I am against feminism, I want to be someone, I want to take care of my kids, and be the woman to clean the house. I don’t want a guy to chase me, I want to make fun of guys who are Lonely. I want to have a future with someone.” Despite all experiences that have happened to me in the past with the girls that I’ve liked and things going the wrong way, I thought every girl was a feminist, but after hearing this, I felt so relieved, and this girl is only 18 years old. Courtney is right not every girl wants to be chased or not want to approached, there are girls out there that want to date and have a future with you.
She wants to make fun of guys who are lonely?
@@megalodon1726 *”I don’t want to make fun of loner!” I was typing too fast
**I don’t want to make fun of guys who are loners!”
Let the time be the judge little brother. Take your time and keep your mind awake. No need to make assumptions when you don’t have to. If you see the wrong signals, don’t ignore them. Good luck to you!
@@thatrandomproject6652 Thank you! We all make mistakes, no one is perfect
Your facial expressions while the video was playing told me as much as you did when you broke that video down later. 😁 Keep doing this Courtney! You are a lifesaver and an ally.
That’s why I stay away as much as possible from women! If you show affection they lose interest and just treat you like you’re a predator or something and you always pay good money for the friendly hug at the end…
He was just her ATM and that’s that! Been there done that!
Good analysis of the situation 👏
"He ghosted me and wouldn't be my Plan B. I'm soooo upset!"
Yeah the bitch wanted him to be her pet and he moved on as he should good on him for not taking her shit.
To any guy reading this comment: Attract. Do NOT chase. Focus like a laser on becoming the very best version of yourself. Level up in all areas of your life. You will be amazed at the results.
Can you imagine an "online" women today settling down in a normal, day-to-day relationship and forgoing the dopimine hit of OLD and all the ups and downs it brings? No one can compete with an addict when they don't 'really' want to stop.
Honestly, it's reached the point where if a STEREOTYPICAL woman ('ESFJ', ESFP/ISFP, ESTP) complained about sexual assault - so what?! Most women have a 4 to 30+ body-count anyway!!! The one and only significant difference is 'PERMISSION' to "fornicate on used goods".
The alcohol only helps to NUMB their instinct that tried to discourage them from going through with it!!!
Since their body is not a sacred temple, can you not see how their internal environment (mind, spirit and emotion) is a cesspool of a mess! The influence of 'ESFP'/ISFP (moral depravity-a core trait for them), and 'ESFJ' cover-narcissism, especially in the school environment is the cause for all of this! Careless INFP add to this as well (despite being a wonderful type). INFP overly accommodating psychology is easily exploited, corrupted by covert-narcissits (ESFP, ISFP, ESFJ, and Cluster-B) and the INFP turns into an enabler of "sexual depravity". It happens a lot. Take a look at most sexual movements. This is why intelligence and the foresight to "look at the bigger picture" when making important decisions - like an intelligent person should be able to do... Is extremely important!
Most movements do not account for corrupt members, i.e. member that secretly harbor an ulterior, degenerate motive! Case in point, today's feminism, charities, etc. And yet we wonder how it came cancerous and only facilitates "prasites" (who secretly experience a [metaphorically] cannibalising psychology/state of mind).
I hope that intelligent and spiritually clean humans will take the time to dissect and understand this comment.
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"Evil" is the antithesis to the virtue: 'humanity'. Humanity is the characteristic that defines the human spirit. Humanity is symbiosis across humans and society. 'Humanity' exceeds 'social-darwinism'.
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NEURO-PERSONALITY
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"SENSORY-FEELERS" ARE LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR SPREADING DISINFORMATION AND HATE TOWARDS ENTJ/INTJ (AGAINST "THINKERS" IN GENERAL)-BOTH IRL AND ON THE INTERNET; DESPITE THOSE NEURO-PERSONALITY TYPES BEING A BLESSING TO SOCIETY AND ALL OF MANKIND! THEY DESERVE BETTER! 😤
'ESFJ', 'ESFP', ISFP and ISFJ are a pathogen to humanity, and 'then' Cluster-B (depending on they neuro-personality).
THEIR "FEELINGS 'IS' THEIR REALITY", THEY ALSO HAVE A MALICIOUS-MIND BY DEFAULT (excluding normal ISFJ). DESPITE HAVING MALICIOUS INTENT THEY ARE ALL EMOTIONALLY-WEAK AND PRONE TO COVERT/VULNERABLE-NARCISSISM.
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Also... To intelligent readers (who do 'not’ have a ‘pathological disregard for rationality and reality').
I recommend researching 'narcissistic personality disorder' (NPD) / 'cluster-B'; and know that they are the 'root of all evil' (especially 'ESFJ/ESTJ-narcissist'; Myers-Briggs reference, look it up)!
European 'ESFJ' are the worst personality type, and they are responsible for inventing 'racism' and colonization! It is in their neuro-psychology!!!
They are extremely 'manipulative' and often use 'looking pretty' to distract others from the witch's mind-games / mind-r@pe, e.g. gaslighting, playing the victim/damsel in distress, creating "flying-monkeys", and 'bribing' others (with money or BJ) to attack, or at times, kill someone for her. When caught, she will use her minions as scapegoats. European ESFJ are notorious for this especially in a racist context, e.g. Emmett Till.
xSFP and ISFJ (2W1) are the most complicit, narcissistic-enablers. ISFP also tend to be 'oblivious-codependents' (look up the definition). Like ESFJ, XSFP's "feelings 'is' their reality." Most are covert/vulnerable-narcissists.
ISFJ often perceive things only on the surface level (even by sensor standards), are suckers for a “pretty face", and their neuro-psychology makes them the ideal narcissitic-codependent and pawn to the ESFJ (blind-loyalty, surface level perception, susceptibility to covert-narcissism). Lastly, ISFJ are notorious for impersonating other people's identities IRL and on the internet.
SUMMARY
Evil personality: 'ESFJ' (ALL), ESTJ (Cluster-b), ISFJ-2W1 (covert-narc/enabler).
[Secretly] Evil and narcissist-friendly gunts/flying-monkey: ISFP (ALL), ESFP (ALL), and ISFJ (2W1 enable ESFJ).
☝️ALL of them are secretly emotionally-disturbed, hence their need to create conflict as a distraction (at other people's expense, truly evil).
Spread the word! Thank you.
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Research ref: Raudha Athif, Ghislaine Maxwell, Marilyn Monroe, Karen, ESFJ-narcissists, ESFJ-neurology, Gaslighting, Amber Heard, Fake feminism, Rising of a shield hero (Malty-'ESFJ'; XSFX spread disinformation online. ISFJ is the main culprit; ISFJ largely perceive things on the surface level), 'Brood-parasitism’- XSFJ natural psychology.
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Same goes for men. Why would they want to settle down at all they can chat girls up online and hook up with chicks. This is not just women
@@chrishnah because men actually want good women that want to build something more then just a physical relationship, we just know that those types are so few.
@@naiustheyetti yet this whole video is about a chick who slowed down physical intimacy and if the guy was actually into her as a person he would have pursued her. So they both lost nothing they clearly don't want the same thing.
This might be controversial, but I think this is an example of why “modern women deserve less.” What use to be seen as gentlemanly behavior in courting a woman are nowadays here seen as “love-bombing” and driving women off. What else comes to mind: “Chivalry is dead and women killed it.” Now will this girl have the self-awareness and wherewithal and courage to be honest with herself about what happened, or will she just blithely jump forward into the next thing?
Thanks for another good video.
Idk, in the case of this girl and guy i think he was going a bit overboard. I'm all for chivalry but making big plans, buying a bouquet of roses , all on a second date is a bit much. I think he could have held the roses, held making plans on a big trip, and instead focused on getting to know her and making more simple suggestion for a third date would have been much better. "Love bombing" i think is a legit thing where you do too much at once at the beginning, projecting your last relationship onto them or trying to latch on too quickly.
You can still be chivalrous and not go overboard. The better you know a woman, the more you can make gestures like flowers and shit
I'll tell you what it was. She probably didn't have any other good dates lined up but she wasn't really sure of this guy so she tried to keep him on the backburner with one foot halfway in the door and another one halfway out it. And what I mean by that is she was trying to string him along just enough to keep him thinking that maybe she likes him but at the same time trying to keep him far enough away so he didn't make any advances on her such as the kiss. As they say you cannot deny genuine desire. If she desired this man she would have kissed him on the first night due to hormones and excitement. This dude gets an A-Plus for letting his balls hang and cutting her off immediately. Most guys would be pathetic and simp and wait around for her out of the mindset of being scarcity and not having women and hoping that she would just come around at some point. I wish I knew this guy was I would buy him a beer.
@@laconsuela69 it would be interesting to know how she was reacting to his suggestions and efforts during the date. Would she have tried to indicate that some of that was a bit over the top ?
@@laconsuela69 lol this comment just agrees with the point - “modern women deserve less.” “More” will be met with a reaction from her somewhere on the spectrum from uncomfortable awkwardness to revulsion.
myron is that u ?
She wasn't interested, and he knew it. That's why he ghosted her. He's smart, quick and saves his resources for important things. RESPECT!
What I got from the tiktok was a girl upset for being rejected by a guy "beneath her." He was clear about his interest in pursuing a relationship with her. She was clear in not wanting that, at least not with him. As strangers, after just two dates, no one is owed anything. Maybe a little different if you work together or have some other social connection outside of those two dates.
Also, I don't think she understands what "ghosting" is. Ghosting isn't simply the other person not calling, continuing communication. It is when you are trying to be active in communication and the other doesn't respond or reaches out. It is like you are trying to talk to a "ghost."
For some reason ghosting is widely accepted and considered a safe way for women to passively break up with a man, but we act like it is some horrible thing when men do it.
You hit the nail on the head. When I use to go on dates I unfortunately learned a hard lesson. I used to go in with hopes only to come back home disappointed.
I don't listen to what she says, but I observe her actions that tells you everything. When she gives you confusing hot and cold feeling or gives you a friends zone vibe , it's best to just walk away.
I understand being realistic about life, keeping your expectations low. We do have to recognize that subconsciously that has high risk of being something that’s picked up by others and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. It’s more about optimizing your opportunities and investing at the right time with the right person. I agree that we have to develop better red flag detection, ask better questions, pay attention better, and ultimately pick better women.
@@starscream6629 better women = lol.
Great message as usual. I ghosted my last "dating interest" for very similar reasons. I was putting in the effort and it wasn't being reciprocated. My choice was to explain why I was moving on, or ghost. I chose ghost.
This guy was an obvious high valued man, talking about taking her out on ski trips as a date buying roses, ect, and she shot him down. This guy literally just moved on. good for him, know your worth.
These are some fantastic points here. If you’re told “hugs only” after the second date, it’s healthy and even respectful to assume to they’re not attracted to you.
Although I will say that because a second date is a still tentative thing, if someone on a second date is talking like they’ve assumed they’re going to be seeing a lot more of you before you’ve decided that’s the case, it is off-putting.
Assuming he's a reasonable average guy she must've given him some sort of signals for him to be suggesting those things. We only have her side of the story and only a few seconds of it at that and she does seem disappointed that he didn't call her back the next day (roses still fresh and why else would she go on tiktok for sympathy? maybe just attention, OK). Wouldn't be the first young lady giving "hot and cold" signals...
Maybe he was naive and trying too hard or maybe he was a player and trying it on, but players don’t tend to ask before a kiss on the second date... Men can be clumsy and "off-putting", they might be nervous, shy, trying too hard (really smitten), haven't done much dating, didn’t have any sisters etc. Nothing a small dose of communication couldn't sort out, but she never did that with him. If going on a ski trip was too much too soon then she could've suggested other lower key stuff or a slower timetable - IF she was interested. Sounds like she just went along with it (it used to be called "leading him on"), and then had a big whinge on tiktok when he finally realised he had no chance and moved on (lest he be accused of "harassing" her).
"I only sent him all the cues that I'm not interested and this guy assumed that I wasn't interested... I mean double you tee eef?!!"
😄 Spot on.
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"Evil" is the antithesis to the virtue: 'humanity'. Humanity is the characteristic that defines the human spirit. Humanity is symbiosis across humans and society. 'Humanity' exceeds 'social-darwinism'.
.............................
NEURO-PERSONALITY
.............................
"SENSORY-FEELERS" ARE LARGELY RESPONSIBLE FOR SPREADING DISINFORMATION AND HATE TOWARDS ENTJ/INTJ (AGAINST "THINKERS" IN GENERAL)-BOTH IRL AND ON THE INTERNET; DESPITE THOSE NEURO-PERSONALITY TYPES BEING A BLESSING TO SOCIETY AND ALL OF MANKIND! THEY DESERVE BETTER! 😤
'ESFJ', 'ESFP', ISFP and ISFJ are a pathogen to humanity, and 'then' Cluster-B (depending on they neuro-personality).
THEIR "FEELINGS 'IS' THEIR REALITY", THEY ALSO HAVE A MALICIOUS-MIND BY DEFAULT (excluding normal ISFJ). DESPITE HAVING MALICIOUS INTENT THEY ARE ALL EMOTIONALLY-WEAK AND PRONE TO COVERT/VULNERABLE-NARCISSISM.
...............................
Also... To intelligent readers (who do 'not’ have a ‘pathological disregard for rationality and reality').
I recommend researching 'narcissistic personality disorder' (NPD) / 'cluster-B'; and know that they are the 'root of all evil' (especially 'ESFJ/ESTJ-narcissist'; Myers-Briggs reference, look it up)!
European 'ESFJ' are the worst personality type, and they are responsible for inventing 'racism' and colonization! It is in their neuro-psychology!!!
They are extremely 'manipulative' and often use 'looking pretty' to distract others from the witch's mind-games / mind-r@pe, e.g. gaslighting, playing the victim/damsel in distress, creating "flying-monkeys", and 'bribing' others (with money or BJ) to attack, or at times, kill someone for her. When caught, she will use her minions as scapegoats. European ESFJ are notorious for this especially in a racist context, e.g. Emmett Till.
xSFP and ISFJ (2W1) are the most complicit, narcissistic-enablers. ISFP also tend to be 'oblivious-codependents' (look up the definition). Like ESFJ, XSFP's "feelings 'is' their reality." Most are covert/vulnerable-narcissists.
ISFJ often perceive things only on the surface level (even by sensor standards), are suckers for a “pretty face", and their neuro-psychology makes them the ideal narcissitic-codependent and pawn to the ESFJ (blind-loyalty, surface level perception, susceptibility to covert-narcissism). Lastly, ISFJ are notorious for impersonating other people's identities IRL and on the internet.
SUMMARY
Evil personality: 'ESFJ' (ALL), ESTJ (Cluster-b), ISFJ-2W1 (covert-narc/enabler).
[Secretly] Evil and narcissist-friendly gunts/flying-monkey: ISFP (ALL), ESFP (ALL), and ISFJ (2W1 enable ESFJ).
☝️ALL of them are secretly emotionally-disturbed, hence their need to create conflict as a distraction (at other people's expense, truly evil).
Spread the word! Thank you.
___________
Research ref: Raudha Athif, Ghislaine Maxwell, Marilyn Monroe, Karen, ESFJ-narcissists, ESFJ-neurology, Gaslighting, Amber Heard, Fake feminism, Rising of a shield hero (Malty-'ESFJ'; XSFX spread disinformation online. ISFJ is the main culprit; ISFJ largely perceive things on the surface level), 'Brood-parasitism’- XSFJ natural psychology.
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Hey Courtney,
Tricky one,
Okay first we have to set up the social norms:
1) Girls that are on Tinder will currently hook up with you the same evening with netflix and some take out.
2) A girl that wants a relationship and dating usually uses the three dates until sex rule... and escalation towards that should be happening. Like a minimum chest hug or lip touching kiss on first date... makeout on second date... sex on third date.
Next we play out what happened on the date:
1) First Date... Presumably he has asked her out and planned a date and picked her up and dropped her back home safely with NO escalation happening. But both enjoy the date enough to go on a second one.
2) Second Date... He asks her for a second date as the first date went pretty well and he assumes the second date will have the required escalation to a kiss... he plans the date(as women are shaming men for not doing in hookup culture nowadays)... he even buys her flowers... a romantic gesture that has historically ensures that the woman sees this as a respectful romantic gesture that may secure a kiss at the end of the date... and before he even drops her off... plans their THIRD DATE.. WITH HER... a weekend getaway for them to make their third date more special and memorable for their "first time"... Sounds like she may have even agreed to the trip as she sounded disappointed that it didn't happen...
3) End of the second date... he asks her for a kiss(the current norm of consent)... gets rejected("no thanks.. how about a hug")... she offers a hug from another seat in a car... this hug doesn't even offer full chest contact from that angle... thus it FEELS like an even larger rejection... and signifies to the gentleman that the trip he has planned for them this weekend... is going to be extremely awkward to say the least... if she won't even agree to a kiss... how can staying in a hotel room (friday/sat night near $900 just for the room Plus a multiday ski package for both of them at least another $500)... and she won't even give the guy a kiss on the cheek or a hug where her breasts touched him...
What could he do at that point... the best option would have been to call her and say what? "Sorry we can't take a ski vacation together... we aren't at that place yet in our relationship yet"... which would STILL signify to the girl that he felt like a ski vacation was suppose to "buy him" sex.. which nowadays.. especially given her thoughts that he was already "love bombing" her... would have gone over even worse than just ghosting her... The second best option without ghosting would be just continuing with an uncomfortable weekend for BOTH of them... where they were staying in a hotel together for 2 nights where the girl hasn't even wanted to kiss him so far... and by the end he would have felt used for a $2000 getaway(hotel/ski package/restaurants/snacks/drinks) and spent a FULL WEEKEND feeling rejected and used as well most likely.
Both parties handled it wrong... he shouldn't have assumed she was a three date girl... and she shouldn't have "went along" with plans for an expensive third date weekend getaway with a guy she didn't even have intentions of kissing thus far...
Excellent analysis 👏
He was smart. He was making his interest known and she was playing games. Once she said I'll give you a hug instead, the best thing he could do is walk away.