@@gangstalker47 Something would have to be seriously wrong at GW for them to not get buffs. I believe they're the only sub 40% win rate army at this time
Great video and as someone looking at getting into another army this year. Dont want to be that guy but letting you know. Check your chapter headings as for the Cons section it is saying Cons to Death Guard
It's traaaaaaash. If it had an extra 3 Tzaangor enlightened or a Tzaangor shaman in it it MIGHT be a pick up worth considering just how bad Tzaangor are.
If i just didnt get done with a Death Guard army, id be all over this. I was debating on which of the two armys to get into, and fliped a coin, it came up stinkys.
My brain auto corrected the Exalted Sorcerer to Exalted Sorcerer on disc because I don't use any regular exalted sorcerer on foot elsewhere in the list. For 500 pts you run the guy on disc as a guy on foot even though he will be on disc model wise. If you run him as exalted sorcerer on foot its 500 pts on the nose.
The tzaangors are the big problem. But also Scarab Occult Terminators (as much as I love them) aren't a go to unit for Tsons right now. The combat patrol also not having a leader that can go with either tzangors OR Terminators means that its awkward to fit in anywhere. Tzaangors on their own are fine, but they just don't fit what the army wants to do right now. If you want cheap bodies that can hold objectives or do secondaries there are just better options.
To throw in my two cents, I think it's okay if you like the models from a visual standpoint, they're just not optimal as of now. The box does often go on discount because people don't buy it, so I think if you can get it for roughly the same price as 5 Terminators and an Infernal Master, that's pretty good.
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner ok, 1 last question, how am I supposed to build the rubric marine with the pistol? since the the pistol is the only weapon that is held with the other
@SuperNova-nl5eb not sure what you mean by the other. When I started my tsons I ran 4x5 to a gt with a rubric marine with a bolter leading a flamer unit and noted the bolted guy was the sorcerer and had no issues. Otherwise you have tons of bits from the exalted sorcerer box that can be used
Thank you so much for making this video, I really needed some sort of guidance on what to get for my tsons army. Since you're a tsons player I wanted to ask some questions I have about the tsons and their list building. The first question I have is, is there a limit on what weapon a squad of rubrics can use, for example can there be a 10 man squad that all carry wapflames or is there a limit? And another question I have is can a rubric with an icon of flame also carry a soul reaper canon? Thank you again for the video and I'm sorry that I ask such questions.
Don't apologize, feed the glorious chaos God that is the RUclips algorithm! You can run 10x warp flamers if you like. You could run 10x inferno boltgun. You van run 7 of one 3 of the othern doesn't matter. The only thing is you can only have 1 aspiring sorcerer and 1 soul reaper cannon. The icon of flame isn't anything that stops you from equipping other wargear, so you can have it on whatever model you want. In general I always run a soul reaper automation in my rubrics, UNLESS it's ahriman with flamer rubrics. Then I will run them as a 9 flamers
as much as I love the TS (my main 30k army), their 40k roster is just... sad I guess. Personaly I am not a fan of any goats in their list and having "just" Rubrics and Scarabs as astartes infantry is just so sad. I wish they would have TS havocs, raptors, generic CSM units really. Magnus did nothing wrong.. Ahriman did everything wrong for the right reasons!
I know what you mean. I would love to see more variety in the Tsons lists but the internal balance of the codex is just way too off with how important maxing cabal points is with how expensive all of the units inside of the index are. I would love it if the rules were a little less good so the army could come down in points by like 30%. Ahriman is my favorite lore character for that exact reason. Everything goes wrong for him when he tries to do good, and when he acts like a selfish prick everything goes his way.
Is the first 2000 point list still legal? I want to make sure, because in battle scribe, and the warhammer app it says it would be around 1840. What change should I add to get it to where it needs to be?
It is not still legal because you cannot run a changling without having a unit of Tzeench battle line units. You could run a unit of pink horrors and have it be around 1980 pts. you can also cut the changling entirely and then run some more rubrics and infernal masters or a mutilith vortex beast.
I entered the first 2000 point army on battleforge and it complained that I needed a Tzeentch battle line unit when I added the Changeling. Is this a strict tabletop rule, or a glitch with battleforge?
It is a strict rule that was added as changleling + blue scribes were too strong. For every non battle line demon ally you want to add you need to include a battle line demon unit from the same god.
@@Speeds_Gaming_CornerThank you; as a side note, does that make the third 2000 point army no viable? With battle line demons, it goes over the point limit
Our melee is okay, but its lackluster compared to our amazing shooting. I have definitely killed things in melee that I didn't think I would. "Fast Attack" is dead, but we also have mid game redeploy and all of our units can double (or even triple) move. I have shoved magnus 42" in one turn before without advancing. That's pretty dang fast. Mutalith Vortex Beasts for better or worse are our "tanks". The problem is we want cabal points and tanks don't generate cabal points (and you don't generate them from inside Rhinos) But you are correct. This army is herohammer. It is likely an army that will always be hero hammer by nature of how Tsons have played in the past few editions and exist in the lore.
Hey man, awesome video, I have the battle force from December 2022 and I was wondering, is it Magnus too overkill for 1k? Can I make a list with that battle force without Magnus? I also bought an Ahriman form hours heresy so can you help me build a semi competitive list with that? no magnus
Magnus is a massive amount of points from that battleforce box. Magnus is not overkill for 1k, but he might be hard for opponents to deal with. If you wanted a list without him, I would do something like 1x Ahriman on foot 1x Sorcerer w/ Umbralific Crystal 1x Sorcerer w/ Anathean Scrolls 1x Exalted Sorcerer on Disc (not leading a unit) 1x10 Flamer Rubrics 2x5 Flamer Rubrics 1x5 Bolter Rubrics. You'll need to buy one more box of rubrics for it, but you'll likely want that many in a list anyways.
Helbrutes have their place as extra cabal point generation but I don't love them. Given that you need enough cabal points to cast the ritual in the first place they often wind up only being +1, maybe +2 cabal points. You can get the same thing from multiple characters who are less expensive. He's totally fine to run for funsies. You can 100% win with him in your list
@dimentiox80sshenanigans50 if he is not near multiple sorcers, you are not getting value out of him. You really need him to be near 3+ casts to get value out of him for his points, so being near a lord of forbidden lore double blanking saves is a good cheap way to keep it going
Hi i am new to warhammer so i was looking for an army to start at 500 points to play with some friends, but the 500 point army in this video comes out to 515 points when i use the battle forge app. 1×Exalted sorcerer=115 2 ×thousand sorcerer=190 2 xrubric marine squad=210 Total=515 I am probably doing some math wrong or using equipment incorrectly but i just wanted to make sure the 500 is still valid.
I think i just answered my own question, while you say exalted sorcerer with disk in the video in reality it is without the disk so it covers the 500 point limit
Yea I say exalted sorcerer in disc because I flubbed my dialogue. I was planning ahead with the exalted sorcerer being built as an exalted sorcerer on disc because that is how he will be ran at future point values
I think the Death Guard combat patrol is actually not that bad. I would never want 2 of it, but its actual package contents are great for a starting point for the army on a competitive level.
@@kuriouskoopatroopa3129 They almost beat Tyranids for the first Codex army! Keep an eye out for the polls and they look like they might be next (unless all those excited Drukhari fans have their way).
“And also…. Magnus did nothing wrong”. That was great. Lol
Need a budget guide to Dark Eldar asap.
Soon(tm). No sense doing one for the worst faction in the game when they are OBVIOUSLY going to get buffs before February.
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner "obviously"? I guess I'm blind hahahah
@@gangstalker47 Something would have to be seriously wrong at GW for them to not get buffs. I believe they're the only sub 40% win rate army at this time
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner Correct. They only win if they spam dark lances.
@Speeds_Gaming_Corner
You almost sold me on T sons with this video, btw.
Great video and as someone looking at getting into another army this year.
Dont want to be that guy but letting you know. Check your chapter headings as for the Cons section it is saying Cons to Death Guard
I fixed it up! If you see mistakes like that please be that guy! I would rather someone tell me a mistake so I can fix it.
Damn the combat patrol is that bad lol
It's traaaaaaash. If it had an extra 3 Tzaangor enlightened or a Tzaangor shaman in it it MIGHT be a pick up worth considering just how bad Tzaangor are.
As someone who's getting into 40k and bought the combat patrol, the box is horrible!
yes
If i just didnt get done with a Death Guard army, id be all over this. I was debating on which of the two armys to get into, and fliped a coin, it came up stinkys.
Not a bad choice. Definitely my second favorite of the chaos factions
@@Speeds_Gaming_CornerI had alot of fun painting and building them.
@@cabellism The best part about painting Death Guard? If you mess up you just call it disease/rot!
MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG!
He did everything wrong
Magnus made a mistake, but, it was one that could have very easily been avoided with some communication from Big E
The only thing Magnus did wrong was love his sons too much.
I know that's neigh impossible, but i would love to see 'budget' ad mech.
There is a reason Admech is its own tier.
hi i was just wondering so the 500 point list is 515 points what could you run so that it’s under? or will most players not care?
My brain auto corrected the Exalted Sorcerer to Exalted Sorcerer on disc because I don't use any regular exalted sorcerer on foot elsewhere in the list. For 500 pts you run the guy on disc as a guy on foot even though he will be on disc model wise. If you run him as exalted sorcerer on foot its 500 pts on the nose.
You messed up on your time stamps your con is labeled “cons to deathguard”
That's because Thousand Sons have no cons!
(Thank you its been fixed)
I really like the fourth list, but to this day i struggle to find a Mutalith Vortex Beast on sale from both GW Stores or secondary markets
I got mine from anycubic ;)
I'm surprised you didn't utilize the combat patrol. was it because there were too tzaangors?
The tzaangors are the big problem. But also Scarab Occult Terminators (as much as I love them) aren't a go to unit for Tsons right now. The combat patrol also not having a leader that can go with either tzangors OR Terminators means that its awkward to fit in anywhere.
Tzaangors on their own are fine, but they just don't fit what the army wants to do right now. If you want cheap bodies that can hold objectives or do secondaries there are just better options.
To throw in my two cents, I think it's okay if you like the models from a visual standpoint, they're just not optimal as of now. The box does often go on discount because people don't buy it, so I think if you can get it for roughly the same price as 5 Terminators and an Infernal Master, that's pretty good.
Mutalith vortex beast? You’d think it doesn’t exist considering it doesn’t seem to get restocked very often.
I felt obligated to include ANYTHING that wasn't rubric spam given how every Tsons list is basically the same thing.
11:26 hold on, the rubric marines kits come with only 1 icon of flame, where am I supposed to get the second one from?
No one will really care/make your own from another staff head
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner what about the warpflame pistol though? do I just say that the bolter pistol is actually a warpflame pistol?
@SuperNova-nl5eb a pistols a pistol. Could also give him the hand sticking out casting sprue
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner ok, 1 last question, how am I supposed to build the rubric marine with the pistol? since the the pistol is the only weapon that is held with the other
@SuperNova-nl5eb not sure what you mean by the other. When I started my tsons I ran 4x5 to a gt with a rubric marine with a bolter leading a flamer unit and noted the bolted guy was the sorcerer and had no issues. Otherwise you have tons of bits from the exalted sorcerer box that can be used
Those are two words you never see in the same sentence 😂 40k and budget
Oh just wait until we get to Admech...
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner my buddy just admeched himself 😂 about $1 per point for a cool $2k
I put your 500 pt list in the wh40k app and got 515 pt not 500. It is possible to have 500 pt but the Exalted Sorcerer needs to get rid off the disc.
This video was made before Tsons got some additional points nerfs.
My con for 1ksons would be all the metal trim
Thank you so much for making this video, I really needed some sort of guidance on what to get for my tsons army. Since you're a tsons player I wanted to ask some questions I have about the tsons and their list building. The first question I have is, is there a limit on what weapon a squad of rubrics can use, for example can there be a 10 man squad that all carry wapflames or is there a limit? And another question I have is can a rubric with an icon of flame also carry a soul reaper canon?
Thank you again for the video and I'm sorry that I ask such questions.
Don't apologize, feed the glorious chaos God that is the RUclips algorithm!
You can run 10x warp flamers if you like. You could run 10x inferno boltgun. You van run 7 of one 3 of the othern doesn't matter. The only thing is you can only have 1 aspiring sorcerer and 1 soul reaper cannon. The icon of flame isn't anything that stops you from equipping other wargear, so you can have it on whatever model you want.
In general I always run a soul reaper automation in my rubrics, UNLESS it's ahriman with flamer rubrics. Then I will run them as a 9 flamers
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner thank you very much, this helps me with what I can do.
as much as I love the TS (my main 30k army), their 40k roster is just... sad I guess. Personaly I am not a fan of any goats in their list and having "just" Rubrics and Scarabs as astartes infantry is just so sad. I wish they would have TS havocs, raptors, generic CSM units really.
Magnus did nothing wrong.. Ahriman did everything wrong for the right reasons!
I know what you mean. I would love to see more variety in the Tsons lists but the internal balance of the codex is just way too off with how important maxing cabal points is with how expensive all of the units inside of the index are. I would love it if the rules were a little less good so the army could come down in points by like 30%.
Ahriman is my favorite lore character for that exact reason. Everything goes wrong for him when he tries to do good, and when he acts like a selfish prick everything goes his way.
Or just more unique daemons at least
Is the first 2000 point list still legal? I want to make sure, because in battle scribe, and the warhammer app it says it would be around 1840. What change should I add to get it to where it needs to be?
It is not still legal because you cannot run a changling without having a unit of Tzeench battle line units.
You could run a unit of pink horrors and have it be around 1980 pts.
you can also cut the changling entirely and then run some more rubrics and infernal masters or a mutilith vortex beast.
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner Thank you for the help. Have a good day.
thank you
I entered the first 2000 point army on battleforge and it complained that I needed a Tzeentch battle line unit when I added the Changeling. Is this a strict tabletop rule, or a glitch with battleforge?
It is a strict rule that was added as changleling + blue scribes were too strong.
For every non battle line demon ally you want to add you need to include a battle line demon unit from the same god.
@@Speeds_Gaming_CornerThank you; as a side note, does that make the third 2000 point army no viable? With battle line demons, it goes over the point limit
@@PanzerLord you need to make substantial changes. I'd suggest looking at cultists/tzaangor enlightened to fill the role
nice!
So it is pretty much Herohammer, like in 2nd edition?
No melee units? No fast attack? No tanks?
Sound kinda boring if you are not a fan of Herohammer.
Our melee is okay, but its lackluster compared to our amazing shooting. I have definitely killed things in melee that I didn't think I would.
"Fast Attack" is dead, but we also have mid game redeploy and all of our units can double (or even triple) move. I have shoved magnus 42" in one turn before without advancing. That's pretty dang fast.
Mutalith Vortex Beasts for better or worse are our "tanks". The problem is we want cabal points and tanks don't generate cabal points (and you don't generate them from inside Rhinos)
But you are correct. This army is herohammer. It is likely an army that will always be hero hammer by nature of how Tsons have played in the past few editions and exist in the lore.
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner Thank you for replying.
Hey man, awesome video, I have the battle force from December 2022 and I was wondering, is it Magnus too overkill for 1k? Can I make a list with that battle force without Magnus? I also bought an Ahriman form hours heresy so can you help me build a semi competitive list with that? no magnus
Magnus is a massive amount of points from that battleforce box. Magnus is not overkill for 1k, but he might be hard for opponents to deal with. If you wanted a list without him, I would do something like
1x Ahriman on foot
1x Sorcerer w/ Umbralific Crystal
1x Sorcerer w/ Anathean Scrolls
1x Exalted Sorcerer on Disc (not leading a unit)
1x10 Flamer Rubrics
2x5 Flamer Rubrics
1x5 Bolter Rubrics.
You'll need to buy one more box of rubrics for it, but you'll likely want that many in a list anyways.
Out of curiosity, how well does Helbrutes work within an Thousand Sons list?
Helbrutes have their place as extra cabal point generation but I don't love them. Given that you need enough cabal points to cast the ritual in the first place they often wind up only being +1, maybe +2 cabal points. You can get the same thing from multiple characters who are less expensive.
He's totally fine to run for funsies. You can 100% win with him in your list
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner Okay, thank you for the answer! I would assume keeping him near to various sorcerers would be the best placement for one?
@dimentiox80sshenanigans50 if he is not near multiple sorcers, you are not getting value out of him. You really need him to be near 3+ casts to get value out of him for his points, so being near a lord of forbidden lore double blanking saves is a good cheap way to keep it going
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner Okay, I think I have an mental image of how my 2000p Thousand Sons army will look now. Again, thanks for the answer!
Hi i am new to warhammer so i was looking for an army to start at 500 points to play with some friends, but the 500 point army in this video comes out to 515 points when i use the battle forge app.
1×Exalted sorcerer=115
2 ×thousand sorcerer=190
2 xrubric marine squad=210
Total=515
I am probably doing some math wrong or using equipment incorrectly but i just wanted to make sure the 500 is still valid.
I think i just answered my own question, while you say exalted sorcerer with disk in the video in reality it is without the disk so it covers the 500 point limit
Yea I say exalted sorcerer in disc because I flubbed my dialogue. I was planning ahead with the exalted sorcerer being built as an exalted sorcerer on disc because that is how he will be ran at future point values
Buy infernus marines and swap their heads with rubrics. Ban cheap warpflamers.
Death guards combat patrol is objectively worse
I think the Death Guard combat patrol is actually not that bad. I would never want 2 of it, but its actual package contents are great for a starting point for the army on a competitive level.
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Please make budget necrons 🤖🧟
It's on the table for after the balance dataslate alongside Tyranids and Codex Space Marines.
@@Speeds_Gaming_Corner will you be making budget necrons now? 😇
@@kuriouskoopatroopa3129 They almost beat Tyranids for the first Codex army! Keep an eye out for the polls and they look like they might be next (unless all those excited Drukhari fans have their way).
Can you do one on tiranids? :)
It'll be after the dataslate, but yes it's on the list
not.cheap...