I think there was a funny tidbit somewhere about Levan that said he acted all dignified but secretly did things like remove veggies from his plate and toss them under tables (he did grow up with Mel and Lill so he probably had some mischievous habits) Now it makes me want to pay attention to Crowley's eating habits XD
potential idea: crowley is levan who overblotted near the end of the war [and was believed dead]. he doesn't remember being levan but does have blatant OB marks he has to hide. personally no stakes on this, it could go either way in my mind
I'm also on the Yana's-surprise-plot-twist train. I was talking it over with a friend & I thought it was kinda too easy for Crowley to be Levan. Since Yana has pulled the twins move before, I wouldn't be surprised if Crowley and Levan were brothers/twins. My reasoning for this is that the fandom is still on the fence about which of the two ravens Crowley is inspired by (Snow White or Sleeping Beauty). So, I think Crowley is the Evil Queen's raven as that one is a more goofy/unserious, and Levan is Maleficient's. Therefore Crowley might be watching over Malleus and Lilia in Levan's stead. There's not much to go on for this, but I think it's more plausible than Crowley being Levan.
For Lilia's acceptance letter, I'm betting it was a royal historian. After all, Lilia was an incredibly noteworthy military leader, to the point that he's mentioned, _by name,_ in NRC's history textbooks. Not to mention being Maleus's godfather. NRC is seen as an incredibly prestigious academy. His acceptance letter was absolutely going to be snatched up by historians.
I really love your theory vidoes! Especially the ace traitor theory one. I immediately became a member after finding out there was a part two for members only. The way you explain them is very easy for me to understand and you all the hard work you’ve put in to research these so that we wouldnt need to ,so thank you for that. I cant wait for more of your content in the future so keep up the good work!!
Considering how Azul’s mom met Azul’s step dad (he was her divorce attorney) that means they have divorce court in the coral sea. So I wonder what divorce court in the Briar valley looks like. Also I loved your Ace videos. I watched it twice and showed it to my friends.
god that's making me think briar valley hometown event where lilia accidentally gets married drunk a la a vegas wedding and the gang has to help him get divorced lmaooo. and also thank you akjsdhfaslkdjfh😭😭
ngl i feel like it would be extremely funny if Crowley was Levan and not overblotted, and when we get the mask reveal like. Malleus just does NOT look anything like him and it doesn't even click like "oh shit Crowley IS Levan" and Crowley has to spell it out for us laksjdfhsd. But yeah like I WANT TO KNOW
Interesting theory, although personally I doubt it. In Lilia's dream after OB Malleus showed up, Lilia was surprised by his appearance, thinking it was Levan from his looks and voice, but Malle got his mom's horns so Lilia then doubted that it was indeed Levan. Crowley sounds nothing like Malleus either which makes me doubt this theory even more. Btw about Mozus Trein's name I think it's just a pun from Cinderella's step mom's name, Lady Tremaine. Also YOUR ACE TRAITOR THEORY VIDEO(s) AREN'T FAILURESSSSS I LIKE THEM A LOT😭😭😭
yeah i realized that about trein while subtitling but i will pretend i do not see it jk jk alksjdfha. and thank you aljkshdflksjd T-T after part 1 released and it blew up I guess the pressure just got to me so I felt like part 2, although it'd been done and plotted for months, just wasn't a good follow-up and then yeah breakdown happened.
Wait you miss one thing.... I'm going to cry if it's true cause Lilia haded a crush on Levan😰 But for me it's like crowley is an uncle also I'm not that sure cause it has not been mentioned that Levan had siblings so I'm completely wrong that crowley is most likely going to be the brother of Levan but in the glorius masquerade event Crowley said about raising a great sorcerer or like that or smtg
First off, great video! I also noticed that there's some parallels to Malleus and Crowley. Mainly Malleus's glorious masquerade card and Crowley's ssr card. Mainly because the poses are similar and Malleus's masquerade outfit having a big feather thing (can't think of what it's called right now) and Crowley having a similar garment on. Probably a few other cards too, but that's all I can find currently until another book 7 update. I still think Crowley could be Malleus's dad but we'll have to wait and see^^
That's fair, but we'll have to agree to disagree on that point; I don't think similar card poses is evidence. There's only so many ways you can pose and I don't know if I'd want to include card meta as lore evidence. But regardless yeah like, we're gonna have to see and also hopefully y'all get more food on the theory.
Interessing video! for black butler theories, there's also a popular theory with the twins that undertaker who could be Ciel grandfather and i do think Yana toboso put us in the doubt/reflection with Crowley is Malleus dad. :P there's tons of foreshadowing and details, i could believe it's gonna be real, i hope if it does, we got some explanations about that matter. and i don't think it's gonna be "aha levan give the milk to meleanor and lilia gonna slap him when it discover Crowley was Levan behind the mask because he forget them because he could overblotted, end of the story" i do think it's gonna be more angsty with Meleanor family and Levan fate.
Yeah like. Although I don't like this theory, I can really see Yana pulling it off and it HURTING with all the angst. And that's interesting about Black Butler! I've not really kept up with it (I only knew about the Ciel thing bc old tumblr mutuals were screaming about it) so that's interesting to hear both fandoms have their own "X is related to Y" theories
I could... maybe see that actually or that Crowley could be Maleficent's "crow" so either related to Maleficent directly or his grandfather but I could see him being Mal's dad or future Mal cause it seems to be very loose confirmed that Crowley might have overblotted in the past too.
Awe- i really liked the traitor Ace video. Giving a very full and rounded arguement for mnay aspects of a theory is something you pull flawlessly and i think gives your vids more weight. You're a really good speaker, it seems like being analytical is your strongsuit but you're better at more than ya think
I'm pretty sure Lilia talks about someone saying "they joined the stars a while ago" or something like that I thought he implied it was Levan and I think it was when talking about the NRC letter??? But I genuinely can't remember where I saw that dialogue, and maybe he was referring to Meleanor but I can't remember
When this ‘Crowley is Levan’ theory grew more in popularity, you have no idea how much I despaired. Though I am and will always be a Malleus fan, I have also been a huge fan of Crowley since the game’s release. I don’t see him as a father figure (or deadbeat dad) to the MC, which is a popular headcanon in the fandom. I simp for this man. So, imagine me realizing the possibility of Crowley, one of my favorite characters I simp for, being the father of my favorite TW character of all time that I also simp for, Malleus. It feels weird thinking that Crowley might be his father. If it actually becomes true, don’t know if I can recover from such a shock. I prefer the fan theory that Crowley and Levan are separate beings, very likely being brothers. I hope this is the case. There are many points that favor the Crowley=Levan theory but I hope that it isn’t true. Funnily enough, I have also come across a post giving a short (and a joke) theory that Grim might be Levan. That would be very interesting but does it have a foundation? Not really. What we really need to know is his motives, if he has any, but it’s heavily implied. All we can do now is wait for the next chapters which are painstakingly slow to update.
I've been invested in this theory ever since I caught Ray talking about it on Twitter. I both love this theory and absolutely HATE it! Plus like what you mentioned, I can see this being a twist Yana would pull I can definitely see a lot of TWST fans pulling a "Ricky, when I catch you Ricky!" on her if it is true and boy would Crowley have so many child support fees he needs to pay
Thanks to Kallisto and Ray , I have been so invested in this theory and i refuse to believe otherwise!! Sorry Mari , not on your side this time 😢😢 But yeah i need the child support video!!!
i have doubts about Crowley = Levan theory mostly because of the timeline. According to his dream, Lilia has already recieved the invitation before Levan went missing during the human-fairy war. Before that, Levan was probably in Briar Valley most of the time. Who was the headmage of NRC, then? It is an old establishment, but I think Crowley came into the picture some ~100 years ago before the main story took place (yeah, like the number of years NRC keeps losing spelldrive tournaments to RSA). Surely, Levan couldn't have known how it all turns out to save Lilia's invitation. While it doesn't really disprove the theory and might actually make it more plausible, now that I think about it, even if it's all Crowley's plan, why go through all of this? What could possibly be stopping him from revealing himself to be Levan?
GOOD POINT!! Yeah like. Even if he DID save it, it would've just been for some reason and not really wanting reunite or like, get the both to NRC. And also ngl the implication Crowley is the reason NRC keeps losing to RSA is sending me. The only thing I can think of as Crowley's "plan" if he is Levan is like. I'll do a full video on it at some point probably, but I'm thinking maybe like he found Meleanor's phantom after she got fully absorbed and is at NRC trying to covertly research bringing her back? But even then like that's MASSIVE speculation.
Seeing this after it was confirmed that levan was the one who put Lilia’s acceptance letter both back together and in the royal archives is amazing, personally I can go either way I just wanna see Crowley get his butt kicked for all the bs he puts up through
@@princessmacarons9347well it was confirmed that after Lilia tore the letter apart, levan was the one who picked up all the torn pieces and stuck them back together and then after put it away somewhere safe in case Lilia ever changed his mind, but I can’t remember if it ever specified where he saved it
@@shirleyv4427 oops I meant like what part of the main story they said that like which # part of chapter 7 alskdjhfasld my bad for not specifying what i meant
@@princessmacarons9347I FOUND IT!!! Sorry took a bit to find, but its in book 7 chapter 83 after one of those hexagon battles you get a cutscene of a memory of malleus receiving his letter to nrc and Lilia taking about going with him and how he was able to keep his own safe for so long despite being so disorganized (dame malleus XD) Also it’s confirmed there that it was put in the archives by the dragoneye duke- malleus father
@@princessmacarons9347 Wish the battles had names but if you wanna find it it's the one that gives the buff/debuffs: curse, freeze and blind and a reward after. I think it's the only battle that has three debuffs. But I play on the English server so it might translate differently?
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Crowley better pay that child support to Lilia if he turns out to be the father... that's gonna be a large tab, lmao
Yeah the amount I calculated is uh. Well it would be enough to buy a house in California which is Too Much Money 😂
I think there was a funny tidbit somewhere about Levan that said he acted all dignified but secretly did things like remove veggies from his plate and toss them under tables (he did grow up with Mel and Lill so he probably had some mischievous habits) Now it makes me want to pay attention to Crowley's eating habits XD
gonna be watching him like a hawk during master chef events alkjdfhlkjsd 😂
potential idea: crowley is levan who overblotted near the end of the war [and was believed dead]. he doesn't remember being levan but does have blatant OB marks he has to hide.
personally no stakes on this, it could go either way in my mind
I'm also on the Yana's-surprise-plot-twist train. I was talking it over with a friend & I thought it was kinda too easy for Crowley to be Levan. Since Yana has pulled the twins move before, I wouldn't be surprised if Crowley and Levan were brothers/twins. My reasoning for this is that the fandom is still on the fence about which of the two ravens Crowley is inspired by (Snow White or Sleeping Beauty). So, I think Crowley is the Evil Queen's raven as that one is a more goofy/unserious, and Levan is Maleficient's. Therefore Crowley might be watching over Malleus and Lilia in Levan's stead. There's not much to go on for this, but I think it's more plausible than Crowley being Levan.
For Lilia's acceptance letter, I'm betting it was a royal historian.
After all, Lilia was an incredibly noteworthy military leader, to the point that he's mentioned, _by name,_ in NRC's history textbooks. Not to mention being Maleus's godfather.
NRC is seen as an incredibly prestigious academy.
His acceptance letter was absolutely going to be snatched up by historians.
I really love your theory vidoes! Especially the ace traitor theory one. I immediately became a member after finding out there was a part two for members only. The way you explain them is very easy for me to understand and you all the hard work you’ve put in to research these so that we wouldnt need to ,so thank you for that. I cant wait for more of your content in the future so keep up the good work!!
alskdjfhalskdj THANK YOU 😭I'm glad I sound coherent lakjsdfd no but for reals tho thank you so much!! I'm glad you enjoy them!!!
Considering how Azul’s mom met Azul’s step dad (he was her divorce attorney) that means they have divorce court in the coral sea. So I wonder what divorce court in the Briar valley looks like.
Also I loved your Ace videos. I watched it twice and showed it to my friends.
god that's making me think briar valley hometown event where lilia accidentally gets married drunk a la a vegas wedding and the gang has to help him get divorced lmaooo. and also thank you akjsdhfaslkdjfh😭😭
This just makes me want to see what's under Crowley's mask even more. What is he truly hiding underneath that mask?
ngl i feel like it would be extremely funny if Crowley was Levan and not overblotted, and when we get the mask reveal like. Malleus just does NOT look anything like him and it doesn't even click like "oh shit Crowley IS Levan" and Crowley has to spell it out for us laksjdfhsd. But yeah like I WANT TO KNOW
@@princessmacarons9347
Imagine their conversation during the reveal:
Crowley: Malleus, I am your father
Malleus: Nuh-uh
Crowley: TF you mean "Nuh-uh"!
a handsome face lol
Interesting theory, although personally I doubt it. In Lilia's dream after OB Malleus showed up, Lilia was surprised by his appearance, thinking it was Levan from his looks and voice, but Malle got his mom's horns so Lilia then doubted that it was indeed Levan. Crowley sounds nothing like Malleus either which makes me doubt this theory even more.
Btw about Mozus Trein's name I think it's just a pun from Cinderella's step mom's name, Lady Tremaine.
Also YOUR ACE TRAITOR THEORY VIDEO(s) AREN'T FAILURESSSSS I LIKE THEM A LOT😭😭😭
yeah i realized that about trein while subtitling but i will pretend i do not see it jk jk alksjdfha. and thank you aljkshdflksjd T-T after part 1 released and it blew up I guess the pressure just got to me so I felt like part 2, although it'd been done and plotted for months, just wasn't a good follow-up and then yeah breakdown happened.
Nah, he could be like obito. Switching his voice to a light funny and loud voice from a deep *daddy* voice. Who knows? 🤓😏 (IM SRRY 😂)
Wait you miss one thing.... I'm going to cry if it's true cause Lilia haded a crush on Levan😰
But for me it's like crowley is an uncle also I'm not that sure cause it has not been mentioned that Levan had siblings so I'm completely wrong that crowley is most likely going to be the brother of Levan but in the glorius masquerade event Crowley said about raising a great sorcerer or like that or smtg
It's not but tbh this is something I've been wondering like. I think him being Levan's brother would be better and also like make both camps happy
@@princessmacarons9347Yeah exactly (Sorry for late response)
3:21 And suddenly she realized that the name Levian is also partially possible because of the way Lilia and others say his name
NO PLEASE NO WE DON'T NEED MORE OPTIONS WE'RE ALREADY DROWNING IN OPTIONS I CAN'T DO MORE ALKSDJHFASLKDJF!!!!!
@@princessmacarons9347 Sorry, I just realized and couldn't help it
First off, great video! I also noticed that there's some parallels to Malleus and Crowley. Mainly Malleus's glorious masquerade card and Crowley's ssr card. Mainly because the poses are similar and Malleus's masquerade outfit having a big feather thing (can't think of what it's called right now) and Crowley having a similar garment on. Probably a few other cards too, but that's all I can find currently until another book 7 update. I still think Crowley could be Malleus's dad but we'll have to wait and see^^
That's fair, but we'll have to agree to disagree on that point; I don't think similar card poses is evidence. There's only so many ways you can pose and I don't know if I'd want to include card meta as lore evidence. But regardless yeah like, we're gonna have to see and also hopefully y'all get more food on the theory.
Interessing video! for black butler theories, there's also a popular theory with the twins that undertaker who could be Ciel grandfather and i do think Yana toboso put us in the doubt/reflection with Crowley is Malleus dad. :P there's tons of foreshadowing and details, i could believe it's gonna be real, i hope if it does, we got some explanations about that matter. and i don't think it's gonna be "aha levan give the milk to meleanor and lilia gonna slap him when it discover Crowley was Levan behind the mask because he forget them because he could overblotted, end of the story" i do think it's gonna be more angsty with Meleanor family and Levan fate.
Yeah like. Although I don't like this theory, I can really see Yana pulling it off and it HURTING with all the angst. And that's interesting about Black Butler! I've not really kept up with it (I only knew about the Ciel thing bc old tumblr mutuals were screaming about it) so that's interesting to hear both fandoms have their own "X is related to Y" theories
Update: Levan is now called Raverne
The name downgrade is SO real lmaooo jk jk
I could... maybe see that actually or that Crowley could be Maleficent's "crow" so either related to Maleficent directly or his grandfather but I could see him being Mal's dad or future Mal cause it seems to be very loose confirmed that Crowley might have overblotted in the past too.
Awe- i really liked the traitor Ace video. Giving a very full and rounded arguement for mnay aspects of a theory is something you pull flawlessly and i think gives your vids more weight. You're a really good speaker, it seems like being analytical is your strongsuit but you're better at more than ya think
ALKSJDFHALSKDJFAHLSKDJF THANK YOU 😭😭😭😭 that's really sweet of you T-T
He's got a lot of explaining if he's really Malleus father 💀 going on vacations to forget the child support he owes?
I'm pretty sure Lilia talks about someone saying "they joined the stars a while ago" or something like that I thought he implied it was Levan and I think it was when talking about the NRC letter??? But I genuinely can't remember where I saw that dialogue, and maybe he was referring to Meleanor but I can't remember
When this ‘Crowley is Levan’ theory grew more in popularity, you have no idea how much I despaired. Though I am and will always be a Malleus fan, I have also been a huge fan of Crowley since the game’s release. I don’t see him as a father figure (or deadbeat dad) to the MC, which is a popular headcanon in the fandom. I simp for this man. So, imagine me realizing the possibility of Crowley, one of my favorite characters I simp for, being the father of my favorite TW character of all time that I also simp for, Malleus. It feels weird thinking that Crowley might be his father. If it actually becomes true, don’t know if I can recover from such a shock. I prefer the fan theory that Crowley and Levan are separate beings, very likely being brothers. I hope this is the case. There are many points that favor the Crowley=Levan theory but I hope that it isn’t true. Funnily enough, I have also come across a post giving a short (and a joke) theory that Grim might be Levan. That would be very interesting but does it have a foundation? Not really. What we really need to know is his motives, if he has any, but it’s heavily implied. All we can do now is wait for the next chapters which are painstakingly slow to update.
I'm pretty sure when we see Sebek's memories, we see Lilia say that Malleus's dad was the one who saved his nrc acceptance letter.
Do you have a chapter/part number for that? I went through Sebek's and thought I got everything orz
I've been invested in this theory ever since I caught Ray talking about it on Twitter. I both love this theory and absolutely HATE it! Plus like what you mentioned, I can see this being a twist Yana would pull
I can definitely see a lot of TWST fans pulling a "Ricky, when I catch you Ricky!" on her if it is true and boy would Crowley have so many child support fees he needs to pay
oh it would ABSOLUTELY be a "ricky when i catch you ricky" and i would honestly love the chaos of it alksjfd.
Thanks to Kallisto and Ray , I have been so invested in this theory and i refuse to believe otherwise!! Sorry Mari , not on your side this time 😢😢
But yeah i need the child support video!!!
Lmao no worries! I know I'm in the minority for this one 😂
@@princessmacarons9347 it's okay!!! TBH I am waiting for the chaos this reveal will cause!! 😂😂
@@LilSecretWitch Yeah like the fandom would EXPLODE and ngl i would be enjoying the chaos and meltdowns 😂
@@princessmacarons9347 help so true 🤣🤣 I can't wait for the memes to come out!! 💜✨
I'm sorry but who are these people? Are they twisted wonderland theory youtubers?
i have doubts about Crowley = Levan theory mostly because of the timeline. According to his dream, Lilia has already recieved the invitation before Levan went missing during the human-fairy war. Before that, Levan was probably in Briar Valley most of the time. Who was the headmage of NRC, then? It is an old establishment, but I think Crowley came into the picture some ~100 years ago before the main story took place (yeah, like the number of years NRC keeps losing spelldrive tournaments to RSA). Surely, Levan couldn't have known how it all turns out to save Lilia's invitation.
While it doesn't really disprove the theory and might actually make it more plausible, now that I think about it, even if it's all Crowley's plan, why go through all of this? What could possibly be stopping him from revealing himself to be Levan?
GOOD POINT!! Yeah like. Even if he DID save it, it would've just been for some reason and not really wanting reunite or like, get the both to NRC. And also ngl the implication Crowley is the reason NRC keeps losing to RSA is sending me.
The only thing I can think of as Crowley's "plan" if he is Levan is like. I'll do a full video on it at some point probably, but I'm thinking maybe like he found Meleanor's phantom after she got fully absorbed and is at NRC trying to covertly research bringing her back? But even then like that's MASSIVE speculation.
Seeing this after it was confirmed that levan was the one who put Lilia’s acceptance letter both back together and in the royal archives is amazing, personally I can go either way I just wanna see Crowley get his butt kicked for all the bs he puts up through
It finally got confirmed?!
@@princessmacarons9347well it was confirmed that after Lilia tore the letter apart, levan was the one who picked up all the torn pieces and stuck them back together and then after put it away somewhere safe in case Lilia ever changed his mind, but I can’t remember if it ever specified where he saved it
@@shirleyv4427 oops I meant like what part of the main story they said that like which # part of chapter 7 alskdjhfasld my bad for not specifying what i meant
@@princessmacarons9347I FOUND IT!!! Sorry took a bit to find, but its in book 7 chapter 83 after one of those hexagon battles you get a cutscene of a memory of malleus receiving his letter to nrc and Lilia taking about going with him and how he was able to keep his own safe for so long despite being so disorganized (dame malleus XD) Also it’s confirmed there that it was put in the archives by the dragoneye duke- malleus father
@@princessmacarons9347 Wish the battles had names but if you wanna find it it's the one that gives the buff/debuffs: curse, freeze and blind and a reward after. I think it's the only battle that has three debuffs. But I play on the English server so it might translate differently?
If this is true I am going to cry😰