Simon talking about how he just wants to do his job, which he likes, then go home to his family, who he likes, is so wholesome. I'm about 5 years younger than him, and I've entered that kind of "chill vibes" era, where I just want a stable job, a decent place to live, and some time for hobbies. That's all. A quiet life with small joys, and I'll be content.
Hey Simon, regarding the clothing being able to be identified after being burned, think about a body lying on the ground, the clothing that is between the body and the ground may not burn because there isn't enough room for combustion, thus part of the clothes remain to be identified.
@@zacharybigger4144 no, they really arent exactly wrong. Cotton Polyester blends are less flammable than pure cotton or wool clothing, as the synthetic material melts rather than smolders, and pulls away from the flame, blends like that became popular in the 60s. so. yeah.
@@zacharybigger4144a way of testing fabric content is literally to light it on fire, and if it melts, it's a synthetic/synthetic blend, but if it burns, it's natural
Good point with the body protecting the clothes. I just thought back to all those poor victorian women who set their dresses on fire and how it created a wave for fire resistant cloth
Couldn’t it become a nickname if you capitalize the words? Like saying “he struck Dr. Pepper” opposed to “he struck the doctor”…. Grammar and I haven’t had a relationship in over 20 years school wise lol
Thank you Danny for the script; I like your work. And miss your scripts on Brain Blaze. Kevin and Dave do great, but you’re the OG. Have an amazing weekend everyone. Oh, and thank you to whomever edited today’s episode
Yes, I was going to say the same thing. Especially if the word is used before the, say, mid-1980s. It only recently has come to be assumed to mean a _positive_ impression.
@@asafoster7954 That’s 6 out of the 7 continents… A huge heavily populated area unlike Antarctica, the only one not listed here….India is the most populated Asian country, Australia is Oceania’s. I don’t fancy the FBI’s chances.
So happy to see Simon has covered this case! As someone who has hiked all the trails and also gone off-trail in the Elkmont area where his car was found, I have a few thoughts. - 1st: it's not the kind of place where you are accidentally going to get lost hiking. The trails are well marked and not confusing. Even if you took a wrong turn, an adult of sound mind would easily be able to figure out their mistake before too long. - 2nd: If you were * trying * to get lost/not be found (ie; ending yourself) you could definitely get far enough off trail to be missed. There's a lot of terrain to cover and much of it is rocky and steep. People have done it but usually eventually the body has been found. Sadly I know someone who did do that and they were indeed found not long after. This seems unlikely here though since so much effort was put into dealing with the remains of his family. It feels far too calculated and less heat-of-passion. The disappearance is equally calculated. - 3rd: if you were trying to survive out there, it could be done but there is not a lot in the way of natural shelters in the backcountry in this area (caves/rockhouses are in the park but not in the Elkmont area as far as I know; the park is huge.) Also there's very little in the way of food out there, especially in March. There are sometimes rumors of "homeless" people who live in the park but I have personally only ever run across one place that I believe was being used as a somewhat permanent shelter. You would have to walk out of the park occasionally to get supplies or have someone bring things to you. There are also rumors of "feral people" aka cannibals living in the park but this is about as likely as the claims that Bigfoot lives in the park. - 4th: There have been multiple bear attacks on humans in the park, but they are not common and only 2 have resulted in fatalities. One of which though was in fact directly in the Elkmont area. - 5th: The mostly likely thing to me is this: If he was indeed accompanied by a woman, it would have been extremely easy to park his car, go a distance out on the trails to leave his scent, then backtrack the same way he came and leave with the woman in another car. Presumably this would be done in hopes of having all law enforcement time and energy focused on searching for him in the massive expanse of the park on the assumption that he must be in there, whilst in the meantime he made his way somewhere entirely different. - Conclusion: I don't think he ever stayed in there, I think he went in and went right back out. Perhaps that was one reason to intentionally leave his medication - to try and indicate that he was was either not in his right mind, or intended to do away with himself in the backcountry. I believe that was a red herring. There are other disappearances in the park that have never been solved - Dennis Martin, Trenny Lynn Gibson, Thelma Pauline Melton are all very interesting cases.
Using a credit card to buy the murder weapons seems suspicious to you? Remember, the dude had only $400 to his name. He wouldn't want to waste his cash. Put it on the card, and never pay for it!
Time out why aren't we asking why his job didn't report him missing or look for him? For two weeks... It took the neighbors saying they were worried and asking for a wellness check??
@user-us2yh2yi6f EXACTLY! My job would be hunting me down after missing my shifts for one or two days. But I'm a nurse, so I'm not sure they would be worried about my actual well-being rather than me just being there to work.
This is a silly thing to say. Yale is one of the most prestigious schools in the US. Based on the standard measures for a US school's success (price to earnings, retention rate, graduation rate, academic success, national scholars, etc.) Yale is second only to Princeton. Whatever your predisposition, it is unarguably one of the top schools in the world.
After 7 years of watching Simon (in all his iterations), you guys have mentioned my high school! I had no idea that we had a family annihilator almost 100 years ago!
Dude, if he was so fluent in Serbo-Croatian so early in his life, he's probably hiding in one of Yugoslavia's former 4 republics that used to have SC as their state language. It's a perfect hiding place. He better not be here in Bosnia.
4:20 - Chapter 1 - In the forest of the night 10:40 - Chapter 2 - Bishop tonight 22:10 - Chapter 3 - Escape to the smoky mountains 29:45 - Chapter 4 - A view to a kill 40:05 - Chapter 5 - Hide & seek 54:50 - Chapter 6 - Last post 1:01:50 - Chapter 7 - Running in the family 1:05:55 - Chapter 8 - The final stretch
To the CC team, i have a case suggestion although it is still an ongoing one. The Karen Read case. Woman accused of running over her police officer boyfriend, in front of another cop's home. Defence says she's innocent, the cop and his family killed him qnd covered it up. Federal investigation into the local investigation of the crime, judge is close to the family that is accused of a cover up (being referred to as aunt bev by one of them, also her brother was the lawyer of one of them in the past), a crazy bad investigation even for casual criminalist standards and much much more. The trial is currently ongoing. You'd easily be able to make this into either a really long episode or split it into multiple parts.
Whoop whoop Danny Salter episode. He lived in my fine Rotherham neighbourhood for decades have to admit there have been less shed fires caused by Chinese lanterns and sacrificed family pets since he emigrated south:-)
To answer several questions about North Carolina especially in the 70's. North Carolina was and still mostly is a couple of very spread out cities with a lot of farm country in the middle. It's also incredibly wet most of the time here as during the '70s there were several snow storms. As to why the fire didn't rage as long, it's very hard to get fires to rage out of control here. The most recent one we had was down by the coast in 2008. Where 300 square acres? Something like that burned because we were in a drought. But since then we haven't had one.
Anyone who has worked on a car in the cold, pushing heartily on a wrench, for said wrench to slip, and your knuckles being jammed into a sharp edge, spoke multiple languages right then.
Hey Simon! Thanks again for another episode of this brilliant podcast. Suggestion for a possible episode is Johnny Lewis. I found his story really interesting and would love to hear your (and your writers) take on it
Bishop was featured on Unsolved Mysteries, but notebally on America's Most Wanted for a few times and had an episode on The Hunt with John Walsh and he would been 87 and my gut feeling is that he is dead somewhere in Europe
I would like to suggest the Yablonski murders. There are two books on it. Act of Vengeance and Blood Runs Coal. There was a movie about it with Charles Bronson as Joseph "Jock" Yablonski. There is a movie in development for Blood Runs Coal. Cillian Murphy is slated to play Joseph "Chip" Yablonski. Chip is Jock's son. The Yablonskis are in my extended family. My mother's sister married Jock. My grandfather was the county coroner who invested the Yablonski murders.
Oh I remember watching the Unsolved Mysteries episode that covered this case Brad Bishop is a truly evil man who killed his entire family seemingly for no reason and still hasn't been found since
There are greenhouses made of plastic sheets, most common when growing vegetables in unsuitable climates (glass greenhouses are mostly for ornamental plants and bottanical gardens). Also, "impressed by the multiplicity" just means "startled by the amount", but in well-ducated speech. 10:39 you can't be so sure: he may think "oh, sh*t! I have to finish the job!"
Speaking of weird notable features people give to ID others: when I draft petitions for orders of protections, it helps the sheriff's office ID the respondent when there's detailed physical descriptions. I've gotten people giving me descriptions such as, "he has a carbuncle on his butt" and "she has a tattoo on her inner right thigh of a rose" and "he has a scar from falling down the stairs on his instep". :
I live near Scottsboro and I had to rewind and make sure I didn’t mishear when you mentioned it. I’ve never heard of this case before and I’m so shocked it hit this close to home for me.
Wait - is this not the bloke who was stalled in his career, which is why he allegedly flipped? One docu I saw about him explained about the career system in the Foreign Office; if you were at a certain level and didn't get a promotion, you were literally retired against your will. Something like: At his career level, he needed a promotion or he'd be booted out, but there were only 10 positions available and he didn't get one of them, meaning he'd have to look for another job. But because of his past/upbringing etc, he saw it as total rejection, that he deserved more recognition etc etc, and boom. Am I wrong? Was that another Foreign Office family annihilator who murdered his mother, wife and kids? Edit: as far as premeditation goes, I don't see that as an issue here. Working where he does, for so many years, he'd have a go-bag and some stash of money/IDs etc. Surely. (I may read the Bourne books too often, tbf.)
No, you're right. On The Hunt with John Walsh, they talk about how the service works and the pressure that can occur. If you're not moved up after a certain number of years, you're let go. Bishop allegedly told his colleague (who was promoted) before leaving the day of the murders that he [Bishop] was, "so much more deserving than you [colleague]."
Thanks for the episode Danny, Simon, Martyn! Great (and grim) start to the weekend. I wanted to suggest a potential case as well! The murder of Tracy Allen in 1986, Bexar County, TX. It hasn't been covered much, but after hearing it mentioned I'd love to hear the writers' (and Simon's!) take on it. There seems to be a lot of evidence, and from what I've heard the locals have suspicions on who did it, but no one's ever been charged. I'd love to hear it covered on a platform with a large reach like this, in hopes someone could pin the perp down and turn them in.
This was an interesting one, Simon! If I may please make a request, I’d be interested in a Casual Criminalist or Into The Shadows(I think it’d be a short one though) on Peter Stumpp, the so-called “Werewolf of Bedburg”. Interesting, if strange and terrifying, story. (And an awesome Powerwolf song on the subject just dropped today, “1589”.) I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts. Please, thanks, and keep up the amazing work!
I knew Simon said he was behind on turning out episodes across his channels- but wow 2nd casual criminalist in a week. How did we get so lucky?! Haven’t heard of this case before so let’s dig in 🤔
Also, family annihilator isn’t a nickname, it’s a type of killer. You have types such as serial killer, mass murderer, school shooter, black widow, family Annihilator etc. They’re just different categories so that you know what TYPE of murderer they are
Good Conduct Medal, just means he had no negative paperwork against him for 3 years. We called it the Good Cookie, because it's basically automatic as long and you keep your nose clean
I lived not so far from Bethesda, MD when I was a young child in the early 70s. I had my first ice skating lessons there. Life seemed idyllically quiet and pleasant in the Maryland suburbs, but I always had a feeling something dark and hidden was always going on just out of sight.
A 3 acre wildfire here in North Carolina isn’t anything compared to the fires you can get in the western part of the country. We have a lot more humidity and rainfall, which makes them burn less intensely. And once the burned area spread out away from the bodies, you would be left with just the bodies for fuel… which don’t burn well.
Yes Simon Life in America is like that. We have cheerleaders who date the quarterback or other football players. Though this dynamic seems to be more prevalent in small towns, larger towns like the one I was raised in had wrestlers, baseball players as well as a dance team alongside the cheer squad and softball players..... Just more dating combos I guess
I've held someone's dog for them many times 😂 Dogs, kids, shopping trolleys, bikes, skateboards, a cat on a lead, disability scooters, babies, and one nanny goat. You name it, I've watched it outside a shop or office. Maybe people trust me because I'm a woman in comfortable middle age, and walk with a crutch. It's not like I'm going to take off, a small child could catch me.
I am finding this episode very intriguing. Always a great listen! Huge thank you to the team! I just wanted to note that some of the conversions from miles to kilometres are not correct. 125 miles for instance is 200 km not 40 as stated in the script.
the thing about gasoline is that it burns very quickly and typically it's the fumes from the gasoline that are actually combusting. so... stuff that burns easily like leaves and pine needles around this hole would probably catch just from the heat but most likely the actual gasoline would not stick around long enough to do quite as much damage to the contents of the hole as one would imagine. plus, this hole would quickly use up the oxygen in it to be replaced with heavier gasses like carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide created by the fire.
I’ve been married for 28 years. We CW spent a lot of time with my parents. They’re really vague about what my husband does for a living!!! He’s explained it countless times over the years but they still say, “Something to do with computers!” 😮 He’s definitely not a spy!
It sounds silly but “family annihilator” is an actual term used to describe killers who engage in familicide, particularly when targeting their spouse, children, and possibly themselves… Chris Watts was a family annihilator 😐
I'm a stay at home mom and my husband works minimum wage 30 hours a week. Our necessities/expenses cost us about 2/3 of his income, and I have $2000 in my account so. I've also traveled the country for a few weeks once and started with only $20 when I left. P.S. the black market most popular for selling illicit substances back in the day before it got super busted actually had a pretty good vetting system :)
Hey I am a long time fan of this show and others of Simon and the gang. I was having a conversation with someone about polygraphs and I used Simons logic pretty much but they showed me lots of credited studies that show it at like 83-92% accurate. I can’t find anything less than 80%. I’m not trying to pull a “gotcha “ I just want to know where his numbers are from. Because it makes sense to me that they wouldn’t be accurate but I can’t find that . Thanks for any help! Love y’all!
I don't think the word impression is being used in the meaning that you think it is. I think when the doctor said they were impressed by it made an impression on them. Not that they were amazed by it
i’m pretty sure that “impressed me” was being used to mean “made an impression on me”, because the dr. goes on to talk about not understanding all the bruises
Always enjoy it when Maryland pops up in a Casual Criminalist episode. At least the second time that Bethesda has appeared, which is an unusual hit rate for a single suburban area 😂
When my dad got into a car accident, the doctor who had to screw his pelvis back together said that his injuries were the most impressive he’d ever seen. My mom was mortified but I was like….how many screws, yeah that’s pretty impressive. Honestly, I think the doctor was more impressed that my dad survived.
Family Annihilator sounds like one of those grind bands that consists of open notes on down tuned guitars and vocals that consist of one long continuous guttural burp.
Simon talking about how he just wants to do his job, which he likes, then go home to his family, who he likes, is so wholesome. I'm about 5 years younger than him, and I've entered that kind of "chill vibes" era, where I just want a stable job, a decent place to live, and some time for hobbies. That's all. A quiet life with small joys, and I'll be content.
Hey Simon, regarding the clothing being able to be identified after being burned, think about a body lying on the ground, the clothing that is between the body and the ground may not burn because there isn't enough room for combustion, thus part of the clothes remain to be identified.
Also, the rise of synthetic fabrics in the 60s and 70s could contribute. Natural fabrics like cotton and wool are much more flammable.
@deborahw2338 you're dead wrong about that, unless you're thinking of specialty fabrics like aramid
@@zacharybigger4144 no, they really arent exactly wrong. Cotton Polyester blends are less flammable than pure cotton or wool clothing, as the synthetic material melts rather than smolders, and pulls away from the flame, blends like that became popular in the 60s. so. yeah.
@@zacharybigger4144a way of testing fabric content is literally to light it on fire, and if it melts, it's a synthetic/synthetic blend, but if it burns, it's natural
Good point with the body protecting the clothes. I just thought back to all those poor victorian women who set their dresses on fire and how it created a wave for fire resistant cloth
Family Annihilator isn’t a nickname for him, like some others have. It’s a type or category of killer, more of a description than a nickname
This is what I was going to say. It's more of a category, like serial killer or spree killer than a nickname.
@@thedrinkinggames9573yep, you’ve got it! It’s exactly that
It's a category he started look it up. He was who the term was coined for
John List is the most known for being that kind of scum bag
Couldn’t it become a nickname if you capitalize the words? Like saying “he struck Dr. Pepper” opposed to “he struck the doctor”…. Grammar and I haven’t had a relationship in over 20 years school wise lol
11:38 Simon still underestimating how many doors being good at running and throwing a ball can open in America.
And being good at opening doors
@@melaniemanning2462 what?
God that's sad but true.
Thank you Danny for the script; I like your work. And miss your scripts on Brain Blaze. Kevin and Dave do great, but you’re the OG. Have an amazing weekend everyone. Oh, and thank you to whomever edited today’s episode
Missing Danny's blazes fr
I thought he escaped the blazement for a while
I thought he was handcuffed to the radiator?
@@bigdog973blaze isn't the same without Danny and factbois arguing 😢
@@daftirishmarej1827 yes as I've said him and the radiator are on an Oculus provided honeymoon
Being impressed by something doesnt necessarily mean it is a good impression. Sometimes how horrifying something is can be impressed upon you.
Yeah Simon's illiteracy is showing.
Tbf, he continually acknowledges his smooth, small brain.@Cokecanninja
@@andiward7068 😂 He has this job because his accent makes him _sound_ smart.
What I was thinking as Simon was going on about it.
Yes, I was going to say the same thing. Especially if the word is used before the, say, mid-1980s. It only recently has come to be assumed to mean a _positive_ impression.
"Narrowing down which country he fled to" is gonna be hard when his languages include French, Spanish and English...
Literally
So he could be somewhere in North America, South America, Europe, Africa, Australia, or India. That's not that many places.
@@asafoster7954 That’s 6 out of the 7 continents… A huge heavily populated area unlike Antarctica, the only one not listed here….India is the most populated Asian country, Australia is Oceania’s. I don’t fancy the FBI’s chances.
@@K8E666whoosh
@@K8E666i think they were being sarcastic 🤔
So happy to see Simon has covered this case!
As someone who has hiked all the trails and also gone off-trail in the Elkmont area where his car was found, I have a few thoughts.
- 1st: it's not the kind of place where you are accidentally going to get lost hiking. The trails are well marked and not confusing. Even if you took a wrong turn, an adult of sound mind would easily be able to figure out their mistake before too long.
- 2nd: If you were * trying * to get lost/not be found (ie; ending yourself) you could definitely get far enough off trail to be missed. There's a lot of terrain to cover and much of it is rocky and steep. People have done it but usually eventually the body has been found. Sadly I know someone who did do that and they were indeed found not long after. This seems unlikely here though since so much effort was put into dealing with the remains of his family. It feels far too calculated and less heat-of-passion. The disappearance is equally calculated.
- 3rd: if you were trying to survive out there, it could be done but there is not a lot in the way of natural shelters in the backcountry in this area (caves/rockhouses are in the park but not in the Elkmont area as far as I know; the park is huge.) Also there's very little in the way of food out there, especially in March. There are sometimes rumors of "homeless" people who live in the park but I have personally only ever run across one place that I believe was being used as a somewhat permanent shelter. You would have to walk out of the park occasionally to get supplies or have someone bring things to you. There are also rumors of "feral people" aka cannibals living in the park but this is about as likely as the claims that Bigfoot lives in the park.
- 4th: There have been multiple bear attacks on humans in the park, but they are not common and only 2 have resulted in fatalities. One of which though was in fact directly in the Elkmont area.
- 5th: The mostly likely thing to me is this: If he was indeed accompanied by a woman, it would have been extremely easy to park his car, go a distance out on the trails to leave his scent, then backtrack the same way he came and leave with the woman in another car. Presumably this would be done in hopes of having all law enforcement time and energy focused on searching for him in the massive expanse of the park on the assumption that he must be in there, whilst in the meantime he made his way somewhere entirely different.
- Conclusion: I don't think he ever stayed in there, I think he went in and went right back out. Perhaps that was one reason to intentionally leave his medication - to try and indicate that he was was either not in his right mind, or intended to do away with himself in the backcountry. I believe that was a red herring.
There are other disappearances in the park that have never been solved - Dennis Martin, Trenny Lynn Gibson, Thelma Pauline Melton are all very interesting cases.
Using a credit card to buy the murder weapons seems suspicious to you? Remember, the dude had only $400 to his name. He wouldn't want to waste his cash. Put it on the card, and never pay for it!
yeah if you intend to disappear it hardly matters.
Yea and plenty of murderers have been caught because they made one really dumb mistake. BTK comes to mind.
"written by Danny"
All I had to hear to know this would slap, all hail King Danny 😅
Time out why aren't we asking why his job didn't report him missing or look for him? For two weeks... It took the neighbors saying they were worried and asking for a wellness check??
That's a good point right there
@user-us2yh2yi6f EXACTLY! My job would be hunting me down after missing my shifts for one or two days. But I'm a nurse, so I'm not sure they would be worried about my actual well-being rather than me just being there to work.
Same here - the teachers freak out if you miss work, I can’t imagine the spiralling my principal would do if she hadn’t heard from me by 9:15am
Maybe because he said he was coming down sick - they just assumed he was out with the flu?
Sick with the flu for 2 weeks without checking in seems unlikely
Yale isn't a "smart person's school." It's a "who do you know who has big money" school.
Feel like Simon's opinion of Bishop's intelligence was a bit biased after that misunderstanding.
sounds like someone got rejected from yale....
This is a silly thing to say. Yale is one of the most prestigious schools in the US. Based on the standard measures for a US school's success (price to earnings, retention rate, graduation rate, academic success, national scholars, etc.) Yale is second only to Princeton. Whatever your predisposition, it is unarguably one of the top schools in the world.
George W Bush with a 2.7 at Yale is all you need to know.
Not back then
After 7 years of watching Simon (in all his iterations), you guys have mentioned my high school! I had no idea that we had a family annihilator almost 100 years ago!
I went there too! I was there 01 and 02
Dude, if he was so fluent in Serbo-Croatian so early in his life, he's probably hiding in one of Yugoslavia's former 4 republics that used to have SC as their state language. It's a perfect hiding place. He better not be here in Bosnia.
Well if he is, keep an eye out for hin
4:20 - Chapter 1 - In the forest of the night
10:40 - Chapter 2 - Bishop tonight
22:10 - Chapter 3 - Escape to the smoky mountains
29:45 - Chapter 4 - A view to a kill
40:05 - Chapter 5 - Hide & seek
54:50 - Chapter 6 - Last post
1:01:50 - Chapter 7 - Running in the family
1:05:55 - Chapter 8 - The final stretch
To the CC team, i have a case suggestion although it is still an ongoing one. The Karen Read case. Woman accused of running over her police officer boyfriend, in front of another cop's home. Defence says she's innocent, the cop and his family killed him qnd covered it up. Federal investigation into the local investigation of the crime, judge is close to the family that is accused of a cover up (being referred to as aunt bev by one of them, also her brother was the lawyer of one of them in the past), a crazy bad investigation even for casual criminalist standards and much much more. The trial is currently ongoing. You'd easily be able to make this into either a really long episode or split it into multiple parts.
That sounds like an interesting case . Maybe they would cover it when the trial is complete.
There are tons of other true crime channels covering this right not. Go watch their videos
I've kind of been following it, what do you think? Guilty or cover-up?
She doesn't deserve more coverage.
Whoop whoop Danny Salter episode. He lived in my fine Rotherham neighbourhood for decades have to admit there have been less shed fires caused by Chinese lanterns and sacrificed family pets since he emigrated south:-)
To answer several questions about North Carolina especially in the 70's. North Carolina was and still mostly is a couple of very spread out cities with a lot of farm country in the middle. It's also incredibly wet most of the time here as during the '70s there were several snow storms. As to why the fire didn't rage as long, it's very hard to get fires to rage out of control here. The most recent one we had was down by the coast in 2008. Where 300 square acres? Something like that burned because we were in a drought. But since then we haven't had one.
Thanks Simon for making me more heightened to my anxiety in the first 2 minutes I’m still here for it
Anyone who has worked on a car in the cold, pushing heartily on a wrench, for said wrench to slip, and your knuckles being jammed into a sharp edge, spoke multiple languages right then.
Ditto! Most of them dialects only spoken by sailors of each country 😂😂
Honda mechanic in alaska hear... i know exactly the language you speak of.
Sooo excited!!! What a way to start the weekend! Thank you Simon and all
Hey Simon! Thanks again for another episode of this brilliant podcast. Suggestion for a possible episode is Johnny Lewis. I found his story really interesting and would love to hear your (and your writers) take on it
Simon's writers have been on something of a spy conspiracy kick lately, and I'm here for it!
"Danny and I, same page!"
Some nice OGBB nostalgia there!
Shame we haven't gotten a good "AM I RIGHT, PETER" in awhile.
Bishop was featured on Unsolved Mysteries, but notebally on America's Most Wanted for a few times and had an episode on The Hunt with John Walsh and he would been 87 and my gut feeling is that he is dead somewhere in Europe
AMW is definitely what I must be remembering this monster from.
Or South America
Wait wait another one so soon? Thank you Simon you just made me excited for work tonight
I would like to suggest the Yablonski murders. There are two books on it. Act of Vengeance and Blood Runs Coal. There was a movie about it with Charles Bronson as Joseph "Jock" Yablonski. There is a movie in development for Blood Runs Coal. Cillian Murphy is slated to play Joseph "Chip" Yablonski. Chip is Jock's son. The Yablonskis are in my extended family. My mother's sister married Jock. My grandfather was the county coroner who invested the Yablonski murders.
Absolutely fantastic video with an excellent script from Danny!
Danny! Thanks For this! Love your scripts
Thank you!
Yay Danny you escaped the basment.!!..
Oh I remember watching the Unsolved Mysteries episode that covered this case Brad Bishop is a truly evil man who killed his entire family seemingly for no reason and still hasn't been found since
Perfect timing!!!! Fantastic end of the day start of the weekend 🧡🧡 Thank you 🧡
Caribbean Woman with a Beautiful Dress is the title of this week’s greatest hit.
I think Dani might be my favorite writer. She has such a colorful way of writing and I'm all in for it.
There are greenhouses made of plastic sheets, most common when growing vegetables in unsuitable climates (glass greenhouses are mostly for ornamental plants and bottanical gardens). Also, "impressed by the multiplicity" just means "startled by the amount", but in well-ducated speech.
10:39 you can't be so sure: he may think "oh, sh*t! I have to finish the job!"
"Impressive" means "left an impression" but in modern times has become "I thought it was good"
The similarities between thhis case, John List, Robert Williams, and Xavier Dupont is striking
You should complete the teifecta Simon :)
Very similar to List but not same MO. Bishops were up close and personal while List shot
I was getting shades of John List here. Evil people.
Same number victims between list and bishop. Both killed 3 children and wife and mother 😨😨both highly educated with advanced degrees
Speaking of weird notable features people give to ID others: when I draft petitions for orders of protections, it helps the sheriff's office ID the respondent when there's detailed physical descriptions. I've gotten people giving me descriptions such as, "he has a carbuncle on his butt" and "she has a tattoo on her inner right thigh of a rose" and "he has a scar from falling down the stairs on his instep". :
A little bit morbid, but that info is generally for the morgue to id Jane and John Does.
I live near Scottsboro and I had to rewind and make sure I didn’t mishear when you mentioned it. I’ve never heard of this case before and I’m so shocked it hit this close to home for me.
Wait - is this not the bloke who was stalled in his career, which is why he allegedly flipped? One docu I saw about him explained about the career system in the Foreign Office; if you were at a certain level and didn't get a promotion, you were literally retired against your will. Something like: At his career level, he needed a promotion or he'd be booted out, but there were only 10 positions available and he didn't get one of them, meaning he'd have to look for another job. But because of his past/upbringing etc, he saw it as total rejection, that he deserved more recognition etc etc, and boom.
Am I wrong? Was that another Foreign Office family annihilator who murdered his mother, wife and kids?
Edit: as far as premeditation goes, I don't see that as an issue here. Working where he does, for so many years, he'd have a go-bag and some stash of money/IDs etc. Surely. (I may read the Bourne books too often, tbf.)
He was in that movie “Falling Down”
No, you're right. On The Hunt with John Walsh, they talk about how the service works and the pressure that can occur. If you're not moved up after a certain number of years, you're let go.
Bishop allegedly told his colleague (who was promoted) before leaving the day of the murders that he [Bishop] was, "so much more deserving than you [colleague]."
Thanks for the episode Danny, Simon, Martyn! Great (and grim) start to the weekend.
I wanted to suggest a potential case as well! The murder of Tracy Allen in 1986, Bexar County, TX. It hasn't been covered much, but after hearing it mentioned I'd love to hear the writers' (and Simon's!) take on it. There seems to be a lot of evidence, and from what I've heard the locals have suspicions on who did it, but no one's ever been charged. I'd love to hear it covered on a platform with a large reach like this, in hopes someone could pin the perp down and turn them in.
This was an interesting one, Simon! If I may please make a request, I’d be interested in a Casual Criminalist or Into The Shadows(I think it’d be a short one though) on Peter Stumpp, the so-called “Werewolf of Bedburg”.
Interesting, if strange and terrifying, story. (And an awesome Powerwolf song on the subject just dropped today, “1589”.) I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts. Please, thanks, and keep up the amazing work!
I knew Simon said he was behind on turning out episodes across his channels- but wow 2nd casual criminalist in a week. How did we get so lucky?!
Haven’t heard of this case before so let’s dig in 🤔
Awesome I'm here first and it's a script from Danny! You and Dave are such Cool cats the way you write your scripts I love them
You weren't here first...
Very interesting Episode.. thanks.. 👍
I still am requesting an episode about Jack Unterweger tho 😉
Dan-NY!
Dan-NY!
Dan-NY!
*confetti explodes from cannon* 🎉
He's probably hanging out with Lord Lucan.
They caught the family annihilator John List as an old man so there's hope
Oh Simon’s gunna get into this one!
Also, family annihilator isn’t a nickname, it’s a type of killer. You have types such as serial killer, mass murderer, school shooter, black widow, family Annihilator etc. They’re just different categories so that you know what TYPE of murderer they are
Good Conduct Medal, just means he had no negative paperwork against him for 3 years. We called it the Good Cookie, because it's basically automatic as long and you keep your nose clean
I live in NC so thank you VERY much for these nightmares 😬
Nice specs btw !... The Buggles 1981 comes to mind...
Let's go Factboi!
Love the content, helps me stay sane during revision
Simon: "we need that sweet sweet watch time Danny."
Also Simon: "THE INTRO DANNY!"
Beautifully written script. Congrats.
I lived not so far from Bethesda, MD when I was a young child in the early 70s. I had my first ice skating lessons there. Life seemed idyllically quiet and pleasant in the Maryland suburbs, but I always had a feeling something dark and hidden was always going on just out of sight.
A 3 acre wildfire here in North Carolina isn’t anything compared to the fires you can get in the western part of the country. We have a lot more humidity and rainfall, which makes them burn less intensely. And once the burned area spread out away from the bodies, you would be left with just the bodies for fuel… which don’t burn well.
"Spies would have a cover story with a boring job." See: True Lies, which kind of nailed that part really well.
I wonder/hope you see this: Would you cover the Shana Grice case? I only just found out about it and now I’m trying to find out more about it.
Yaaay, love it when we get 2 in a week 😊
Yes Simon Life in America is like that. We have cheerleaders who date the quarterback or other football players. Though this dynamic seems to be more prevalent in small towns, larger towns like the one I was raised in had wrestlers, baseball players as well as a dance team alongside the cheer squad and softball players..... Just more dating combos I guess
I've held someone's dog for them many times 😂 Dogs, kids, shopping trolleys, bikes, skateboards, a cat on a lead, disability scooters, babies, and one nanny goat. You name it, I've watched it outside a shop or office. Maybe people trust me because I'm a woman in comfortable middle age, and walk with a crutch. It's not like I'm going to take off, a small child could catch me.
Kaiser soze
@@Allen.alledgedly2 🤣🤣
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I am finding this episode very intriguing. Always a great listen! Huge thank you to the team! I just wanted to note that some of the conversions from miles to kilometres are not correct. 125 miles for instance is 200 km not 40 as stated in the script.
Simon got new glasses, I really like them!
I’m scared that I know this case bc others I watch have covered it 😭…thank you again Simon, Danny, and Christian for another video!
the thing about gasoline is that it burns very quickly and typically it's the fumes from the gasoline that are actually combusting. so... stuff that burns easily like leaves and pine needles around this hole would probably catch just from the heat but most likely the actual gasoline would not stick around long enough to do quite as much damage to the contents of the hole as one would imagine. plus, this hole would quickly use up the oxygen in it to be replaced with heavier gasses like carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide created by the fire.
Eye color can fade with age. My mother had brown eyes all her life until her 70s, now they are quite blue.
Simon doesn't belive in ghost, ancient aliens or vampire democrats that like pizza, but just put a spy in any theory and he'll believe it 😂
I know, spies are actually real. I'm just joking
Love you Danny favourite writer
Hi! Love these videos!!
An episode about Xavier Dupont de Ligonnès, another family annihilator, when?
Well presented
I love how Simon says "squirrel"
Yesssss! Perfect before going to bed!
No better way to wind down than listening to Simon talk about horrific murder.
It's a compliment to Simon and Danny that I've fallen asleep twice listening to it. Now to try a third time
Create an episode about Hadden Clark 🙏🏻
Listening from the ukwales ❤
"...Well to impress you doc..." Is the best line to date on CC.
Reminds me of Robert William Fisher. Simón, has there been any progress in that case?
Throwback time, John List, you did the episode on him a while back, he was a family annihilator
I’ve been married for 28 years. We CW spent a lot of time with my parents. They’re really vague about what my husband does for a living!!!
He’s explained it countless times over the years but they still say, “Something to do with computers!” 😮
He’s definitely not a spy!
Normally I'd suggest John C Holmes but Simon's repeated mention of a brain tumor reminded me yall haven't done one on Charles Whitman yet
"The family annihilator" is the name of a comic book villain, not just some sort of murderer.
It sounds silly but “family annihilator” is an actual term used to describe killers who engage in familicide, particularly when targeting their spouse, children, and possibly themselves… Chris Watts was a family annihilator 😐
@@MatthewMarcumcorrect. It’s more like a category, than a nickname
Someone reading too many comics
Spree killer, serial killer, family annihlator... are all "some sort of murderer"/category of murderer
Another algorithm comment for you sir, i will however be watching or listening to this later
I honestly think the man buying the tennis shoes with the carribean woman is a red herring. People seeing something that they want to see.
I'm a stay at home mom and my husband works minimum wage 30 hours a week. Our necessities/expenses cost us about 2/3 of his income, and I have $2000 in my account so.
I've also traveled the country for a few weeks once and started with only $20 when I left.
P.S. the black market most popular for selling illicit substances back in the day before it got super busted actually had a pretty good vetting system :)
You should look into the case of judith barsi such a sad story. And her voice acting will forever touch people hearts.
Hey I am a long time fan of this show and others of Simon and the gang. I was having a conversation with someone about polygraphs and I used Simons logic pretty much but they showed me lots of credited studies that show it at like 83-92% accurate. I can’t find anything less than 80%. I’m not trying to pull a “gotcha “ I just want to know where his numbers are from. Because it makes sense to me that they wouldn’t be accurate but I can’t find that . Thanks for any help! Love y’all!
"Too much navel-gazing isn't good for you" - try telling that to Marcel Proust ;-)
Quentin Tarantino "dog" joke. Top tier.
I live in Greensboro, NC and I can assure you that nothing as interesting as a killers diary/journal has ever been found here
I don't think the word impression is being used in the meaning that you think it is. I think when the doctor said they were impressed by it made an impression on them. Not that they were amazed by it
It’s also noteworthy that he speaks languages from three completely separate language families : Slavic, Germanic and Latin. That’s no small feat.
56:50 nasal gazing! who edited this and didn't pick up on that!? a missed opportunity in my opinion 😛
i’m pretty sure that “impressed me” was being used to mean “made an impression on me”, because the dr. goes on to talk about not understanding all the bruises
Always enjoy it when Maryland pops up in a Casual Criminalist episode. At least the second time that Bethesda has appeared, which is an unusual hit rate for a single suburban area 😂
When my dad got into a car accident, the doctor who had to screw his pelvis back together said that his injuries were the most impressive he’d ever seen. My mom was mortified but I was like….how many screws, yeah that’s pretty impressive. Honestly, I think the doctor was more impressed that my dad survived.
Botswana! Thats where my best friend lives, I want to go visit her someday...
Family Annihilator sounds like one of those grind bands that consists of open notes on down tuned guitars and vocals that consist of one long continuous guttural burp.
I love how you and your writers click 😊