“Apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health ... what have the Romans ever done for us?”
Enjoying the show immensely. Now for an aside: In the 1960s-70s there was an adjective thrown around that meant large, highly interesting or intense or outrageous, or beautiful and it was “bodaceous”, as in, if I may, bodaceous ta-tas or a bodacious musical event. No one ever had an inarguable definition. When I first heard of Boudica (Boudicea) I thought it referred to the very woman you are speaking of today. Possible?
Bodacious when it was first coined in the 1830s apparently meant bold+audacious, but by the time it had made its way into Californian slang and via that into Wayne's World and Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure in the 1980s it had changed to just mean 'posessed of a sexy body'. Boudicca is from the Celtic bouda, meaning victory. Body is from the Anglo-Saxon boudeg, sounding very similar, but going back to a different Indo-European root word .
I mean, there is a point in the Germanic influence in Britain. Moder archeologist did found long ships from the IV century AD. Before the Vulcanic eruption of the VI century and the beginning of the Viking age, is it really impossible to think that Scandinavians didn't trade with the rest of the Europe?!
@17:08. 'Boudega' Bringer of Victory. The pronunciation police are SO tedious. Ever since the discovery of those ancient C60 cassette tapes of Romanobrit conversation historians and archeologists have been quite bossy about how we pronounce stuff ... oh, hang on, I'm being sarcastic again ...
I still remember when the Vicar of Dibley's (Dawn French) middle name was revealed as Baodicea! I presume that most names of ancient Britons that we know of are Latinized versions?
And the names of the peoples. If you look at most of the Latin names for British tribes, and what little we know about what the people called themselves (mainly from later Welsh language histories) it seems that a lot of the Latin names were just the Romans trying to write down in their language an approximation of the names from an (unwritten) Brythonic language that had very different sounds that simply didn’t exist in Latin. Gododdin = Votadini, Bryneich = Berniciae.
If this here Ms. B was apparelled as non-biased chronicles described - I note ''with a large heavy torque around her neck'' - this can be a handicap -such decorations can weigh you down. In fact, it is quite feasible to suggest that she was ''all torque and no action''. (drum and cymbal crash)
Tom, you can't go calling the Iceni tribe the Ikeni. It might be the correct way of pronouncing it but there are too many people saying Iceni. Embrace the incorrectness, it is the English way after all. As an example you wouldn't start calling the famous Dr Seuss (rhymes with zeus) the correct pronunciation of Soice, would you? Hoping the world will follow. So, that settles it then, Dr Seuss (zeus) and Iceni (iseenee). You can thank me later :D
At 34:27 you said the atrocities “explain the violence of Roman retribution”. That is very naive. These descriptions can best be read as the Roman excuse for extraordinary violence, which was the most common Roman response to any form of rebellion. Recall the Roman mass crucifixions of Jews after the rebellions, recall Polybius writing of the Romans slaughtering towns that had rebelled, killing everyone, even to cutting dogs in half. The words were written by a Roman, excusing the Romans.
Rather than a heroic figure I would say she's a tragic figure a bit like Cleopatra. Two great women caught up in events they could never prevail in. One tried guile and intrigue the other direct rebellion; both doomed to fail
I've been listening to this episode on Amazon prime music and its an absolute mess. The same repetition and jumping around that i sometimes get on THIP too. Can you hire a new editor please?
As always British Historians exaggerate the importance of Britain as a province of Roman Empire. Britain was a far remote land, it was the proof and argument of how far the Roman power could be projected, resonanting with the ancients knowing the Greek nonsenses about Hyperboraeans; yes, that is true ... but Britain was never anywhere near to a relevant province of the Imperium Romanum. It was the (!) remote backwater, far from Mediterranean where the Roman core life took place. Britain had nothing to offer, except tin and wood. It was a land with no olives, no wine, of endless forests and wild primitive peoples, yet it was the home of druids - a stratum of celtic society completely abhorred by Romans because of the human sacrifices. They were astonished that the developed societies of Celts of Gaul send their best and smartest to this remote island.
Oh shock horror, British historians talking about British history! If Tom read these comments, he would agree with you, as would most people in Britain. We are well aware that our lands existed on the fringes of the Roman Empire with little importance. Tom literally said in previous episodes that the Romans only really came here for the legend, not because it had any real value. But who are you to tell us what we can and can’t talk about in our history?
Did you listen to the previous 2 episodes? They very much talk about Britain’s lack of importance in the context of the Roman empire. But this is series about the Roman conquest of Britain, they are going to talk about Britain. Do you get mad they burgers in Burger King?
@@phild5322 never did i say what you can/cant, just stressed out the core about ancient Britain, ie. its irrelevance, periphery, marginality etc. For us non-Brits its important to place your (imperial, sumus axis mundi) arse on your place. Sorry.
She's a mythology, although there were women leaders and warriors. This one is created for memory, not dissimilar to Mary representing all women for Christians
The connection between nordic mythology and east anglia was fascinating had no idea it may have exsisted. Great episode
Boudica's rousing speech began with, "What have the Romans ever done for us?!?!"
“Apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system, and public health ... what have the Romans ever done for us?”
@@GoBlueGirl78 literacy, mathematics and philosophy as well
@@joebombero1 Whoosh
Incontinentia Bvttocs, esteemed wife of Roman General Biggvs Diccvs, really blew the whole system apart
@@d.c.8828 🤣
You know you pissed a woman off when she still has a burn layer in the geological record 2000 year later.
Thanks for this! Great research and dissemination.
Thank you !
"The problem with Britannia... is that it's full of Brits"
-Caesar, probably.
Boudin’s reign of Blood and Tom’s gleeful grin this is going to be a good one!
Yet another bodice ripping tale about our misty strange island - more please :)
Bravo Boudica. The romans do not like it up em!
Dominic's dramatic readings are just masterful, no?😊
They really are a treat.
No
Anyone else enjoy watching the sun change position in toms room? I think its scintillating.
Did you notice the sword 🗡️ on his bookshelf ?
@longandshort6639 I didn't, going to save it for the next episode
Glad you're including the opening excerpt now.
new here… was the last part of hundred years war Henry V only for members and patreons? I can’t find it.
Super interesting! Thanks.
Wow, this wasn't up when I started part two!
Same lmao
FANTASTIC episode, Gentlemen!
I didnt think Cassius Dio was being sexist and I dont need an apologie if he was.. 😮
Enjoying the show immensely.
Now for an aside: In the 1960s-70s there was an adjective thrown around that meant large, highly interesting or intense or outrageous, or beautiful and it was “bodaceous”, as in, if I may, bodaceous ta-tas or a bodacious musical event. No one ever had an inarguable definition. When I first heard of Boudica (Boudicea) I thought it referred to the very woman you are speaking of today. Possible?
Bodacious when it was first coined in the 1830s apparently meant bold+audacious, but by the time it had made its way into Californian slang and via that into Wayne's World and Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure in the 1980s it had changed to just mean 'posessed of a sexy body'.
Boudicca is from the Celtic bouda, meaning victory.
Body is from the Anglo-Saxon boudeg, sounding very similar, but going back to a different Indo-European root word .
Boadicea sounding remarkably like Thatcher😮
@@happychappy7115 so did Liz Truss 😀
Her name was Buddug obviously Boadicea is roman/latin.
No comment
@@MrShbbzLettuce?
@@GoBlueGirl78 indeed so! :D
I mean, there is a point in the Germanic influence in Britain. Moder archeologist did found long ships from the IV century AD. Before the Vulcanic eruption of the VI century and the beginning of the Viking age, is it really impossible to think that Scandinavians didn't trade with the rest of the Europe?!
this is so good thank you!
Remember this is told by 2 english guys perspective not from Britons/Welsh or Roman.
Imagine explaining to the Romans that one day Brittannia would become the most powerful island in the world, far more powerful than Italy.
What a way to start the week
@17:08. 'Boudega' Bringer of Victory. The pronunciation police are SO tedious. Ever since the discovery of those ancient C60 cassette tapes of Romanobrit conversation historians and archeologists have been quite bossy about how we pronounce stuff ... oh, hang on, I'm being sarcastic again ...
I still remember when the Vicar of Dibley's (Dawn French) middle name was revealed as Baodicea! I presume that most names of ancient Britons that we know of are Latinized versions?
And the names of the peoples. If you look at most of the Latin names for British tribes, and what little we know about what the people called themselves (mainly from later Welsh language histories) it seems that a lot of the Latin names were just the Romans trying to write down in their language an approximation of the names from an (unwritten) Brythonic language that had very different sounds that simply didn’t exist in Latin. Gododdin = Votadini, Bryneich = Berniciae.
If this here Ms. B was apparelled as non-biased chronicles described - I note ''with a large heavy torque around her neck'' - this can be a handicap -such decorations can weigh you down. In fact, it is quite feasible to suggest that she was ''all torque and no action''. (drum and cymbal crash)
Nice. This works best if you employ a New York (American specific) accent. ;)
British historians never pronounce Latin names correctly. Thanks for giving it a go there, Tom! 🏆
At least for one Roman descriptor for a British tribal name!
I wish someone would tell these guys the thought police aren’t listening. They aren’t going to get canceled for reporting history.
I named my beautiful black labrador Boudicca, in honour of this great queen.
wow good stuff, bodhi-ka is a title
It’s obvious that the Icini would have traded with Germanic tribes.
Gents, that iceni wolf is clearly a badger (coin at 12:28)
Do we know how old Boudica was when she was revolting?
Tom, you can't go calling the Iceni tribe the Ikeni. It might be the correct way of pronouncing it but there are too many people saying Iceni. Embrace the incorrectness, it is the English way after all.
As an example you wouldn't start calling the famous Dr Seuss (rhymes with zeus) the correct pronunciation of Soice, would you? Hoping the world will follow.
So, that settles it then, Dr Seuss (zeus) and Iceni (iseenee). You can thank me later :D
Dominic made Boudicca sound like Margaret Thatcher
'I's always make "ee" sounds in Latin, so "Eekehnee" would probably be a bit more accurate.
(I'm by no means an expert, though.)
The fight against Rome has never really ended, but they got us in the end. (Papal power/Jesuit coadjutors)
It is camulodunum and pronounced as such, not camulodonum. Wonderful podcast by the way.
I haven’t got to that part yet… nevertheless, thank you.
Cassius Dio sounded just like Margaret Thatcher
At 34:27 you said the atrocities “explain the violence of Roman retribution”. That is very naive. These descriptions can best be read as the Roman excuse for extraordinary violence, which was the most common Roman response to any form of rebellion. Recall the Roman mass crucifixions of Jews after the rebellions, recall Polybius writing of the Romans slaughtering towns that had rebelled, killing everyone, even to cutting dogs in half. The words were written by a Roman, excusing the Romans.
Excellent show as always, except for the butchering of latin pronunciation!!!!
your Dad surveyed my house !
What language are you all using again...
Cats did it.
The reading sounded like Margaret Thatcher,unfortunately!
Rather than a heroic figure I would say she's a tragic figure a bit like Cleopatra. Two great women caught up in events they could never prevail in. One tried guile and intrigue the other direct rebellion; both doomed to fail
WERE ARE THE BLACK PEOPLE ?
Towering height, wore a large torc, and greater intelligence than is usually the case with women.......mmmm
"slavereh" 😂
I've been listening to this episode on Amazon prime music and its an absolute mess. The same repetition and jumping around that i sometimes get on THIP too. Can you hire a new editor please?
As always British Historians exaggerate the importance of Britain as a province of Roman Empire. Britain was a far remote land, it was the proof and argument of how far the Roman power could be projected, resonanting with the ancients knowing the Greek nonsenses about Hyperboraeans; yes, that is true ... but Britain was never anywhere near to a relevant province of the Imperium Romanum. It was the (!) remote backwater, far from Mediterranean where the Roman core life took place. Britain had nothing to offer, except tin and wood. It was a land with no olives, no wine, of endless forests and wild primitive peoples, yet it was the home of druids - a stratum of celtic society completely abhorred by Romans because of the human sacrifices. They were astonished that the developed societies of Celts of Gaul send their best and smartest to this remote island.
Oh shock horror, British historians talking about British history! If Tom read these comments, he would agree with you, as would most people in Britain. We are well aware that our lands existed on the fringes of the Roman Empire with little importance. Tom literally said in previous episodes that the Romans only really came here for the legend, not because it had any real value. But who are you to tell us what we can and can’t talk about in our history?
Did you listen to the previous 2 episodes? They very much talk about Britain’s lack of importance in the context of the Roman empire. But this is series about the Roman conquest of Britain, they are going to talk about Britain.
Do you get mad they burgers in Burger King?
At least the Brits have a history! I’m Australian and I live in Armenia. You can imagine how I feel when I visit 1200 year old churches :-)
@@MrZakCuerden no, just stressing out the medias res. Why are you mad reading it?
@@phild5322 never did i say what you can/cant, just stressed out the core about ancient Britain, ie. its irrelevance, periphery, marginality etc. For us non-Brits its important to place your (imperial, sumus axis mundi) arse on your place. Sorry.
Gasp! A woman leading people in ancient times! What is this woke plot!!!111oneone1!! 😇
@@Ammeeeeeeer actually to the educated ancients that seemed primitive and an attribute of the "barbarian"
She's a mythology, although there were women leaders and warriors. This one is created for memory, not dissimilar to Mary representing all women for Christians