I live in Silchester, I always go on walks around the Roman Wall, it's stunning. What's left is only the foundation of the inner wall and when you realise how thick the walls were and how big the gates were, its astonishing to imagine it in its full glory. Its never lost on me and I recommend anyone to go and see it
I just love the storytelling of these style of documentaries. "we have a mystery, now lets figure it out!", and in the end they are "We still have this mistery, we didnt figure it out, but we had lovely interviews and had our moderator walk through grass and muddy scenery while gesturing wildly."
Your implication, if I understand you correctly, is that the articulation of such mysteries, therefore, is a waste of our time, because there are as yet no clear answers. I disagree with that view.
@@philroberts7238 I would disagree with that view, too. What I meant to imply, and I am sorry if that came across the wrong way, is, that this set-up, this style of documentation is a very often used one, and I often find amusement in the fact that, in such mystery documentations, for the sake of entertainment, the authors pretend to going to solve a mystery of which they already know by the time of editing, that they didnt solve it. Also, the implication of them, as a documentation format, will be more capable of solving that mystery than experts since a hundred of years, and they are now needed to present the topic to the same experts, is a way of storytelling that I find very amusing when I watch these documentations. Because, lets be honest, already by the opener most of the audience will already know, that the mystery will not be solved but rather presented to a new audience, but nonetheless we play along and wait for their answer to the mystery, of which we already know, we won´t get.
You see these guys that have chat GPT accounts dont have to indicate they got all these information from chat GPT, i am not really sure if this is considered plagiarism
It was on the Radio when I was a Child many moons ago. I fell in love with Romans and History. True or not, it has a real pull. All thanks to Rosemary’s book for opening the door to a wonderful world.
She actually wrote three stories about Roman Britain, The Eagle of the Ninth, The Lantern Bearers, and The Silver Branch. They have been collected into one volume titled Three Legions.
The Eagle of the 9th was my introduction to history, too!! A great book that led to a life-long interest in Iron Age to Saxon era history ie Roman Britain, give or take a bit
And don't forget the old version being changed by learning how the winners lied/suppressed the truth/destroyed/hidden. Then we have things like Piltdown Man. Grains of salt all around.....no???
I forget where I heard it said but history is the birthright and beautiful treasure of all of humanity And I think one of the biggest sins you could commit against humanity is destroying or hiding our history from us
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One of the best series of novels written about Rome and Roman Britain were the "Veteran of Rome" series by William Kelso. The fate of the Ninth that makes most sense to me is: weakened by events in Britannia the remnants were shipped off to support the Empire's critical needs. The use of Vexillations, this way, was a common practice. Without a strong patron actively seeing to have it built up to its past glory could have led to it never being reconstituted. Rather than one simple reason for its disappearance, it's most likely a combination of these factors.
I was thinking that the Vexillation on the Rhine was probably the remnants of IX Hisp and used Leg VIIII on the tiles. This was also used for the few people on their tombstones, in lieu of IX Hispaña. The Vexillation survived for a while and without a patron, the members were moved to other legions
yeah, not unlikely that somewhere is a document where someone wrote down the edict that the IX. is officially disbanded. It might've been on paper that long decayed, or on stone or clay that is still waiting to be found. And by that time the remains of the legion might already been split up to support other troops elsewhere, making it basically a paper army that only existed in documents.
I loved this on the app but if I’m honest, I like having both episodes together into one full length episode. Tristan is one of my favorite historians along with Matt Hughes
A story that has captivated me since I was about 10 years old (a long time ago) also courtesy of Rosemary Sutcliff. I hope the truth comes to light whilst I'm still around to hear it! The romantic in me hopes that the book got it right!
i consider Eagle of the Ninth and The Daughter of Time to be the books that gave me my love of history. And the fact I'm York born and bred made Eagle of the Ninth compulsory reading!
Great to see 'The Daughter of Time' mentioned. I already loved history when, 60 or so years ago, in my 20s, I read that wonderful book by Josephine Tey. It made me a life long supporter of Richard III and I still have a copy of his portrait hanging in my home!
I read that book about Richard III. It was wonderful. Also, We Speak No Treason by Rosemary Hawley Jarman. Fair.interpreted of King Richards character.
Could it simply be a case the 9th was disbanded and it’s troops use to replenish the other Legions ? That’s happened may times in history with other armies.
That could have been the case several decades later as to the Legion's eventual disappearance, but there is plenty of evidence now that the 9th simply departed Britain fully intact, to take up their next assignment at the Roman fort at what is now Nijmegen, Holland. See my post above, or the Wikipedia article about the 9th Legion to learn more.
I was given a copy by my Aunt as a teenager must be 60 years ago. It was a World Book Club edition. So I guess most of the people who originally read it are now in their 70s and 80s. Like the guy in this video it gave me a life long interest in Roman History.
The book “The Eagle of the Ninth” seems to have started a number of people into archeology and the common interest in The Romans in England. I remember reading it in the sixties.
I got introduced to history, when I ran away from my colleagues' bullying and went to the library where they couldn't beat me, there I found a book by Alexander the Great, from then on my love for stories only increased to the point that today I am an archaeologist in the my country Brazil.
Theodor Mommsen also analysed the collection of roman coins owned by the family von Bar. Their farmers had collected a huge amount of roman coins while plowing in the region east of the city of Osnabrueck in Germany. In 1892 he published his analyse and suggested that the battle of the Teutoburg Forest must have taken place in that area. Now we know Mommsen was right (see the objects in the Museum of Kalkriese). It's therefore possible that Mommsen was also right when he said the 9th Legion had been wiped out during an uprising in York.
@manfredgrieshaber8693 Actually there is no definitive proof that the main army of three Roman legions was wiped out in the area around Kalkriese, despite what the Osnabruck regional tourist board would like you to believe. Yes, there was some military action between the Romans and Germans in this vicinity, but not nearly enough artifactual evidence toestablish this was the main battlefield. The Roman historian Tacitus stated that at the same time the main battle too place, the many other detachments stationed in the region were also overrun, and this was apparently the case at what must have been the case at Kalkries - a small Roman outpost along an important route used for centures. The earliest archaeological reports prove that rather than this being the random site of an ambush of Roman forces marching through the area, in reality it was a kind of roman outpost along a road as proven by the postholes left by the buildings, as well as large pieces of pottery and even parts of furniture that simply wouldn't be carried at the head of a Roman Army. When they say that hundreds and hundreds of Roman artifacts were found, it is very misleading, as most of these artifacts were tiny fragments like boot nails. It might have been that only one Roman Cohort of approximately 400 men were stationed at this spot, and they were overrun by a much larger German force. From the actual Roman accounts, Kalkriese is too far from the known departure point of the Legions, to be the actual site of the main battle. This is just like the "Lost 9th Legion" Mockumentary we are discussing here -- the German "experts", just the British ones in this video, are deliberately hiding the evidence to keep their popular myths, though at least in the German case, the Legions really were destroyed by their ancient ancestors, unlike in the 9th Legion myth where they simply left to assume a new posting at the Roman fortress at Nijmegen in the Rhineland. I must admit though, that it was a tremendous thrill to actually hold and even peer through the eyeholes of the famous Roman mask from Kalkriese, when it was in a temporary exhibit in Rosenheim, where I helped with some of the other displays in the exhibit!
@@danpeterson114 : Scientists from the Deutsche Bergbau Museum Bochum, Leibniz-Forschungsmuseum für Georessourcen and from the Kalkriese Museum published the results of a new research project on the 16th November 2022: They analysed very small parts of microminerals in many remains of roman equipment found in Kalkriese. They managed to identify a kind of individual chemical fingerprints in all those objects. The main result of this project is that there were a lot of small metal pieces found in the Kalkriese area which belonged to the equipment of men from the 19th legion former stationed in Dangstetten in the south of Germany. And the 19th legion had been wiped out in the battle of the Teutoburg forest. So this is the final proof that the battle took place at Kalkriese as a legioners equipment used to be maintained with local available materials. Small remains in Dangstetten and in Kalkriese show exactly the same specific chemical fingerprint. No other example of any remains except from this legion contains this chemical fingerprint.
The theory that the 9th Legion got wiped out by the Caledonian Picts was proposed by Theodor Mommsen either the late 19th Century Ce . At that time, the last known location of the 9th Legion was in present day York where they were reconstructing a military fortress in stone and the confirmed date was 108CE. Then in 1956, archeologists excavating the remain of the Roman fortress in Nijmegen, Netherlands discovered several tiles dated from 104CE-120CE which bore the stamp of "LEG HISP IX" inscribed on the reverse and a silver-plated bronze pendant, found in the 1990s, that was part of a phalera (military medal) which also bore the stamp of "LEG HISP IX". Also AN altar to Apollo which dated from the same period, was found at nearby Aquae Granni (Aachen, Germany), erected in fulfillment of a vow, by Lucius Latinius Macer, who describes himself as primus pilus (chief centurion) and as praefectus castrorum ("prefect of the camp", i.e. third-in-command) of IX Hispana. These discoveries indicate that the 9th Legion may have been relocated to Continental Europe though some historians argue that it is a detachment rather than the entire legion got relocated. After these discoveries, the trail had gone cold.
What a fascinating video. It was very nice to see the evidence being presented by experts and the tentative conclusions based on that evidence properly weighed and considered. Too many popular presentations seem to feel they have to present an unexpected conclusion.
I live in Sheffield and there is a hill fort in a area called wincobank which is believed to be a Brigante one. It’s amazing standing up there thinking of the native Britain’s fighting off the 9th. The Peak Districts hill forts would have also been controlled by them as well.
I live in the netherlands ...in nijmegen and there are diggs and roman finds from time to time. Its a pitty people are not permitted to search with metal detectors anymore without a permit..Because the increase of finding some interesting roman or WW2 stuff for the world to share has decreased significantly.
If anyone wants a good, quasi-somewhat-fictional, read about The Boudican Revolt: Give Simon Scarrow's Eagles of the Empire series a read. Specifically his last 2 books: "Death to the Emperor" & "Rebellion".
There's archaeological evidence that the IX Legion was first transfered to southern Holland, then onto the Parthian border, where it might have been destroyed in 167AD
But never in 167 :) In 166 the Romans crush the Parthians and burn their cities in Mesopotamia (Iraq) and Media (Iran). This may be the one legion with which a governor advanced at the beginning of the conflict in 161.
Some think that from the way the “9” was written on pottery it was an associated auxiliary unit not the full legion that was moved to what is now the Netherlands. Before that auxiliary units were moved to the Rhine so not unlikely units were also moved to the Low countries.
Definitely a yes in regards to the Legion's departure from Britain intact and subsequent stationing at the Legionary fortress at Nijmegen, which the "experts" of this Mockumentary had to have known, but shamefully withheld in order to keep this popular British myth alive.
I was there 2,000 years ago as part of the IX Legio; we fought the Caledonian, but it was useless. We asked for reinforcement, but Cap. said no, many of our legionnaires were killed, and the few that survived decided to desert to the mountains. Not to mention, the Brigantes were hunting our heads; as you all know, those barbarians were head hunters, and so we had to run and hide. Later, we intermarried with local Britannia women, had a family, and became farmers. We blended with the local populations. When legions came looking for us, we hid and remained hidden. We enjoyed our peaceful farming working life, as did our wives and kids.
Isn`t the 9th the legion that was attributed to some building works in Belgium well after the date of their disappearance in history. There is a popular theory that they moved and where not wiped out. Only the evidence of them moving was wiped out ( by time ). Sometimes it is not a mystery at all.
Excellent video! I think you are correct personally. I think they were almost destroyed if not wholly destroyed in the north of Britain. When that happened, they were either disbanded or rolled into the 6th.
The ninth legion could have easily been merged and whatever writings of it gone lost over time, seems like a needle in a haystack thing. It didn't disappear over night, the paper trail is lost and that's it. I find the whole Claudian Invasion way more intriguing than the endless search around the Mediterranean of a lost legion.. Still a good upload tho! Thanks
Eagle of the 9th did it for me too. But for me it was picking up one of my son's books. Loved The Shining Company too. Good survey of all the evidence on the 9th, several which were new to me. One thing I do know is old Momsen's opinion is always worth listening to.
My theory is they were mostly wiped out in Scotland and the story of Agricola rescuing them is a a cover story. The Romans may have transported the bodies back south to hide the defeat. So soon after Boudica news of losing another legion would have been politically untenable. Roman officers were very political creatures.
Normally if that was the case they wouldn't use the legion number again, but I think they continued with using 9th for a long time. My hunch is that there was an unknown redeployment that hasn't been discovered yet.
There are two Gravestones above SASBACH near Breisach in the Blackforest next to the River Rhein.The stones show the buried are from the Legion Britanicus ,which I think had the remanents of the 9th Legion.They are to be found on the hill behind the Guesthause at Sasbach next to the River Rhein. This is a corner of Germany with a lot of history,well worth a visit after research.Famous French General in the 16-17th Centuries.and abattle was nearby. Also next to the Kaiserstuhl is a small town claiming GEORGE and the DRAGON ! There is a lot more.BE BLESSED😃😃
They discovered bonny Scottish lasses “coming thru the rye”. Settled down. Together created 2 new Scottish clans, the MacNinths and the McLegions. The rest is history.
During WW1 and WW2 we sometimes dissolved badly depleted divisions to provide reinforcements to other more healthy divisions as it makes sound military sense to do so. This activity was not confined to large units like divisions but all the way down the military scale and it was quite common for a soldier to have his battalion dissolved and to be transferred to another regiment altogether in which that soldier still identified as belonging to his mother unit even while wearing the trappings of his new one. Such is the power of that elusive 'esprit de corps' and I'm fairly sure that an old legionnaire of the Ninth Hispanola had plenty of that and would have liked to have that inscribed on his tomb despite spending a lot of time in other legions. It's for this reason I believe the 9th was dissolved to bring up to strength other legions with a levy of experienced veterans, nothing to do with disgrace, just sound military logic.
The “lost” 9th legion was never “lost”. It returned to the Continent and was disbanded shortly after. People love a good yarn and the legend is certainly more intriguing than the truth. That said, the legion was disbanded. There are numerous instances of legion disbandment and/or amalgamation with other legions to keep up the numbers. The only thing “lost” was the administrative records documenting this legion’s disbandment.
The Agricola wrote down his victories and avoided documenting his defeats. It's more than obvious to me the 9th legion was nearly wiped out in the attack on their fort. The Name or Legion number may have been reconstituted later though.
‘To future historians, we have disbanded the 3rd janitorial team for the night shift at Morganne Pierpont Bank. They all went home or found another job. They didn’t disappear. Thank you.’
What if after suffering a near defeat at its night camp, it was simply disbanded into other units, replaced by the 6th legion and all records destroyed to avoid military humiliation?
This fits my view which explains why Britain is so heavily influenced by Rome and why Britons ancient history has been eradicated. Where as Ireland and Scotlands was still alive and Briton continued to try to eliminate it with a skill level that could only have come from Rome. All those highly skilled educated men so skilled in building empire just decided to stay in Briton and become lords.
And Everyone living in the island prior to the roman invasion were 'britons' the entire island is fkn britain. They all spoke variations of the same language. Youre slapping entirely different times together like it was all the same era. No. Just no.
So, the Romans didn't really like to write nine as IX. They preferred to write it as VIIII. Similarly, they much preferred to write 4 as IIII, rather than IV. While I would agree that writing Roma numerals in the shorthand version (ie- IX instead of VIIII) is more intuitive and MUCH neater, the Romans themselves would have disagreed. While you will see a healthy mix of the long and short versions, if you visit Italy, it's not because it was written thusly by the Romans, in antiquity. No, when you see the short version used in various parts of Rome, or in other places where Roman handiwork is still extant, what you're seeing is the work of people who came long after the Romans. It could be a modern city council marking something that only appears to be ancient, but is in fact rather modern. Or it could be the work of someone who was earnestly trying to restore fading Roman artefacts, but who just didn't know that the Romans didn't write 4 and 9 like that. SO... If you see "evidence" that says something akin to "Legio IX Was 'ere!" then you can be reasonably certain that it's fake, because anyone alive at that time would have written "Legio VIIII" and not "Legio IX" Nb: Here's some supporting evidence you might like to read, if you remain unconvinced: monochrome-watches.com/why-do-clocks-and-watches-use-roman-numeral-iiii-instead-of-iv/#:~:text=However%2C%20even%20though%20it%20is,4%20(instead%20of%20IV).
Things are actually more complicated. At the time of the Roman Empire there were in fact two languages: Classical Latin and Vulgar Latin (similar and mutually intelligible). Classical Latin was the language spoken in Rome by the educated people (upper classes, and in the Senate), written on monuments, stones, and used by the writers whose work arrived to us. Classical Latin is also the language that we study today on textbooks at school. Vulgar was the language spoken by the un literate masses, and the one used by merchants throughout the Empire. All the romance languages (Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian, and others) evolved in parallel and with cross contaminations from Vulgar Latin. The Latin used in the Middle Age too (by the Church and on official documents) was more similar to Vulgar than Latin proper. I am not 100% sure, but to me IX is classical Latin, while VIIII is vulgar, or a later vulgarized (= simplified) form of the classical Latin of the origins. It is also interesting to read Isaac Newton's (the most famous British scientist: F=ma) work: Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica. Still ~300 years ago if you wanted to have an international audience you had to use Latin (probably Vulgar, with many words forged centuries after the fall of the Roman Empire, but basically the same language spoken by the legionaries of Legio IX Hispana, stationed in York, a remote outpost of the Empire). A testimony how far reaching is the heritage of the greatest of all empires.
They got to the north west of England, decided that it was the most fabulous place they had ever seen, a real heaven on earth, beautiful women, fantastic food and the Lake District just up the road. I think that they assimilated into my wonderful Lancashire.
This legion was known to be in the province of Germania Inferior during the first half of the second century A.D. It likely was transferred later on to the province of Cappadocia and was the legion lost in 161 A.D. under Sedatius Severianus at Elegia; destroyed by the Parthians under the command of Chosroes.
A gnarly old Scot told me; the legion sent a runner back to Braco (Ardoch) from their last known camp at Lixtoll, Perths. & were never heard of again - A clue in the name?
Lesson taken from this video: No matter how long an Empire lasts, at the end of the" day" it will vanish into thin air...and the story goes on an on...as long human exists ...
All those later career tablets have the legion labelled as "VIIII", the same as the Nijmegen detachment, and not the 'main' Legion in Briton which was labelled "IX". This tells me that those later veterans were members of the detachment(s) but not the main force, which remains unaccounted for.
The Roman legion had the system in which that an army that was running down in legionaries,they didn’t add to the legeo but continued on until it was time for them to be able to get their diplomas.
Thanks for Lee Marvin reference. He lived and met the locals in Tucson Arizona USA. As a Marine sniper he fought at Gaudicanal. After the war he climbed the ranks of roles and joined the large numbers of ex-celebrities living peacefully in Tucson where the locals didn't bother them. He died here. Good fellow and neighbor. My mother met him at the sales counter of a lumber yard. None of the clerks bothered to deal with the two, so Marvin eventually shrugged his shoulders, smiled and walked out and drove off in his old pickup truck.
I live at wincobank, an area of modern day sheffield and here we have a Brigante hill Fort, one of three throughout the south yorkshire region. Not much evidence of continuous occupation which leads people to believe it must have not been finished in time for when the romans came by? It has been set on fire as the ramparts are shown to have been burned ? I wonder if the 9th passed by and attacked or found an empty fort so torched it?
Considering that absolutely nothing is known about the fate of the Legio IX, they've done remarkably well to spin this documentary out for over an hour 🙄
See Chester fascinates me... built big enough to hold four legions, but never used by four legions. If I had to rebuild a unit, that's where I would send them. Not to a fort by itself.
Have you heard stories of people hearing the eerie sounds of this legion marching through one of the valleys of the Lake District. It’s where the A591 runs north of Thirlmere
I heard a tale about a Roman legion sent to explore the border between Egypt and Lybia. This legion is supposed to have disappeared from history. Would you do a feature on this incident? Thank you.
Wasn't this doc about the Ninth Legion released a month or so ago? It seems that History Hit needs to rerelease its catalog of docs every 18 months or so? Based upon the frequency of repeated Mary Beard Roman docs on YT.
The Roman Legion VIIII (NINTH) HISPANIA - was one of the most famous Legions in the Roman Army, they were involved in every major conflict, for at least 2 centuries before the "disappearance" in York, Britain. It is interesting to note that Britain as an Island, contains England, Scotland and Wales, with Ireland very close-by, with only England that was fully integrated into the Roman Empire, could this fact, give us any clues? perhaps it was England that had the best farmlands? perhaps England that had the best mines? perhaps England had the best weather? perhaps England had the best fishing grounds? perhaps England had the best Football Stadiums? The question about what happened to the Ninth Legion VIIII is a mystery that has grown exponentially with the famous book written by Rosemary Sutcliffe in the 1950's, I haven't actually read it, but I think I might now to see if there are any clues left in the book, or in the archaeology, one thing that is worth mentioning is the "military transfer" to the Rhine, they go into the Nijmegen area, that is precisely in the Belgium/Netherlands region, which happened to be the precise areas of major interest for the Spanish Tercios in the Middle Ages (around 15th, 16th, 17th centuries) and it is worth mentioning, that is very, very close to Britain, only within a few hours sailing, so did they go to the Rhine? probably some were transferred there, apparently, there was a "major reinforcements" from those areas into the Ninth Legion, as they had "lost" plenty of fighting legionnaires in the British Wars (or revolts) with some possibly falling in the fighting, and some possibly "taking British Lands" - and simply disappearing into the fog, over the hills, and far away, alliances were formed, with the local tribesmen, and the long list of military accomplishments by the Ninth Legion were assimilated into the British/Celtic tribes, the former soldiers, garrisoned into forts, working building roads, fortifications, ramparts, walls, canals, moats, etc. and fighting life & death struggles, was replaced with "free tribesmen" living and working their landholdings. Later-on replacements from the Rhine, 10 years later went back there, some of the old guards probably went with them. There is no way that an experienced Roman Legion, encamped inside their fortifications were wiped out by fighting tribesmen, it was something else, like the "majority" of the Ninth, slipped across the "border" into Scotland, and then disappeared into the fog, into the hills, into the mountains, where they knew, they would never be "outflanked". *Note: The other notion of the Ninth being transferred to the Judea is never noted, is never written, and is never recorded, it is just a "theory" without a basis, the same for the Ancient Armenians theory, as the Roman Empire seems to have stopped and the junction of Armenia, a little bit like Scotland, Ireland & Wales, but are the Current Armenians, the same people as the Ancient Armenians? as the Eastmal Blob, keeps pushing from the East, BloBBing-in slowly but surely, in fact they got sick of waiting, for the "slowly but surely", and just committed genocide on the Armenians, called the "Armenian Genocide", a kind of TURKEYIZATION of Europeans, with the former European Stronghold of the Caucasus Mountains being specifically very heavily targetted............................................................................................................................................................................ TAKE NOTE: Scottish, Irish & Welsh Peoples, the Ismal/Eastmal Genocide System, targets "White- European Strongholds" LAST WORD: We have a mention of Romania, there on the Black Sea, which was previously "White European Settlements", but we have proof of Romania being very heavily targetted by the Eastmal Genocide System, they put-in puppets from the East, from the "other side of the Black Sea, "FROM THE STANS", get into Romania, learn the language, learn the culture, and then they try to pass themselves off as "Romanians" - so that ISLAMIC & COMMUNISTS & TURKS, then by a short period of "acclimatization's" and deliberate, calculated, engineered and manufactured events, over only a short period of time, maybe 40, 50 or 60 years, NOW BECOME .............................CHRISTIANS & DEMOCRATIC & EUROPEANS................ ALL A MAJOR FARCE AND FALSEHOOD.....OH, AND I ALMOST FORGOT TO MENTION, THEY BECOME LATIN SPEAKERS. 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The Ninth was last recorded in Germania Inferior (Netherlands/Belgium) not Britain. The Eagle of the Ninth was entirely fiction. The last records of the Ninth in Britannia were in 108, over ten years before its "disappearance" around 120AD.
Anything but admit that the Caledonian's were already forming themselves into a coalition of kingdoms that banded together to force the withdrawal of Rome to south of Hadrian's Wall. The Caledonian's obviously refused to capitulate and become Romanised. They refused to trade, refused to cooperate, continued to harry and resist, making the occupation of North Britain impossible. Britons fleeing the wars in the south would head north, pledging their loyalty and their swords to the Caledonians. Those in the north knew what to expect from the "Roman peace" and were having none of it. A grinding war of attrition was inevitable. The 9th probably were ambushed, repeatedly, by guerilla fighters until they finally succumbed. But English scholars can't stomach that. They'll come up with any other imagined scenario, and call it fact.
I was born in York and lived amongst all the Roman history. The Ninth marched out of York and their ghosts still march around the town. They have been seen in the basement of the Treasurers House in York. I have the Tile Stamp tattooed on my arm. Forever proud to be born in York. My daughter had 7 wisdom teeth, the DNA marker of the Vikings. I have named my film making studio Ninth Legion Films.
Senior officers in the Roman military were very mobile. A young officer would start with one legion,be promoted to another and eventually command a third. Monuments listing service in a legion do not mean it was stationed there. Emperors only visited Britain if they had to; Hadrians visit,the arrrival of the sixth, construction of the wall and the disappearance of the ninth must be linked. After several defeats the Romans may have decided that the ninth was unlucky,and replaced it with the sixth. Though the ninth may have been defeated in battle it would have left a garrison at York which presumably would have been absorbed into the sixth.
I live in Silchester, I always go on walks around the Roman Wall, it's stunning. What's left is only the foundation of the inner wall and when you realise how thick the walls were and how big the gates were, its astonishing to imagine it in its full glory. Its never lost on me and I recommend anyone to go and see it
I just love the storytelling of these style of documentaries. "we have a mystery, now lets figure it out!", and in the end they are "We still have this mistery, we didnt figure it out, but we had lovely interviews and had our moderator walk through grass and muddy scenery while gesturing wildly."
Your implication, if I understand you correctly, is that the articulation of such mysteries, therefore, is a waste of our time, because there are as yet no clear answers. I disagree with that view.
@@philroberts7238 I would disagree with that view, too. What I meant to imply, and I am sorry if that came across the wrong way, is, that this set-up, this style of documentation is a very often used one, and I often find amusement in the fact that, in such mystery documentations, for the sake of entertainment, the authors pretend to going to solve a mystery of which they already know by the time of editing, that they didnt solve it. Also, the implication of them, as a documentation format, will be more capable of solving that mystery than experts since a hundred of years, and they are now needed to present the topic to the same experts, is a way of storytelling that I find very amusing when I watch these documentations. Because, lets be honest, already by the opener most of the audience will already know, that the mystery will not be solved but rather presented to a new audience, but nonetheless we play along and wait for their answer to the mystery, of which we already know, we won´t get.
I edited my original comment, maybe its more clear now. @@philroberts7238
Fair enough - and I'll add my apology to yours for the trace of snidery in my post.@@Luna-rs6rs
Wishful thinking replaces archaeology in today's universities, evidently.
I love how these speakers have entire textbooks of information committed to memory and can share it in such an exciting and informative manner.
Obviously Chat GPT. Have you heard of this chat GPT.
You see these guys that have chat GPT accounts dont have to indicate they got all these information from chat GPT, i am not really sure if this is considered plagiarism
@@erspassky8891What are you going on about?
@@erspassky8891What are you going on about?
They script these things, you know?
Reading "The Eagle of the Ninth" to a 6-year-old. This is how you get kids interested in history! I salute you, Tristan's dad!
I study history, and the amount of students who were either inspired by the Eagle of the ninth, or the ancient greek mythology and legends is huge.
I read it as a kid and went on to steal eagles.
It was on the Radio when I was a Child many moons ago. I fell in love with Romans and History. True or not, it has a real pull. All thanks to Rosemary’s book for opening the door to a wonderful world.
She actually wrote three stories about Roman Britain, The Eagle of the Ninth, The Lantern Bearers, and The Silver Branch. They have been collected into one volume titled Three Legions.
My childhood reading!
The Eagle of the 9th was my introduction to history, too!! A great book that led to a life-long interest in Iron Age to Saxon era history ie Roman Britain, give or take a bit
Me too .. Sutcliffe amazing writer. I read as a kid and adult and found I was still fully engaged as with her other novels in series and wider.
The beauty of history is that it can change in an instance. New discoveries, new theories, don´t you just love it.
And don't forget the old version being changed by learning how the winners lied/suppressed the truth/destroyed/hidden. Then we have things like Piltdown Man. Grains of salt all around.....no???
I forget where I heard it said but history is the birthright and beautiful treasure of all of humanity
And I think one of the biggest sins you could commit against humanity is destroying or hiding our history from us
Yes the latest is York had a wholly black population and stonehenge was also built by their relatives ,
@@duggdog9102 black people were the original native population of every continent. White people came from space and ruined everything. You didn't know this
@@duggdog9102 You forgot about the trans element who founded York
One of the best series of novels written about Rome and Roman Britain were the "Veteran of Rome" series by William Kelso. The fate of the Ninth that makes most sense to me is: weakened by events in Britannia the remnants were shipped off to support the Empire's critical needs. The use of Vexillations, this way, was a common practice. Without a strong patron actively seeing to have it built up to its past glory could have led to it never being reconstituted. Rather than one simple reason for its disappearance, it's most likely a combination of these factors.
The 9th was closely tied to the Claudio-Julian dynasty. No wonder it was not rebuilt, but rather broken apart.
Worn away by attrition.
I was thinking that the Vexillation on the Rhine was probably the remnants of IX Hisp and used Leg VIIII on the tiles. This was also used for the few people on their tombstones, in lieu of IX Hispaña. The Vexillation survived for a while and without a patron, the members were moved to other legions
yeah, not unlikely that somewhere is a document where someone wrote down the edict that the IX. is officially disbanded. It might've been on paper that long decayed, or on stone or clay that is still waiting to be found.
And by that time the remains of the legion might already been split up to support other troops elsewhere, making it basically a paper army that only existed in documents.
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Romania has an interesting history too😁
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I loved this on the app but if I’m honest, I like having both episodes together into one full length episode. Tristan is one of my favorite historians along with Matt Hughes
they went over the Scottish border and discovered whisky. No mystery why they never came back.
Maybe tried to drink whiskey
Without paying😊
Brilliant!
There we have it 😊
These are Roman soldiers. They may have discovered the secret of deep fried steak pies and just decided to take early retirement there . . .
the border of the Picts the Scots had not invaded until later
I just love that Europe doesn't destroy all their history and just work around a lot of them.
What are you on about? Europe isn't one homogeneous place
A story that has captivated me since I was about 10 years old (a long time ago) also courtesy of Rosemary Sutcliff. I hope the truth comes to light whilst I'm still around to hear it! The romantic in me hopes that the book got it right!
Ditto me
i consider Eagle of the Ninth and The Daughter of Time to be the books that gave me my love of history. And the fact I'm York born and bred made Eagle of the Ninth compulsory reading!
Great to see 'The Daughter of Time' mentioned. I already loved history when, 60 or so years ago, in my 20s, I read that wonderful book by Josephine Tey. It made me a life long supporter of Richard III and I still have a copy of his portrait hanging in my home!
@@Bethi4WFH l have that same portrait! As a proud Yorkist l have a rose of York tattooed on my ankle with the words "Loyaulte Me Lie" above it!
I read that book about Richard III. It was wonderful. Also, We Speak No Treason by Rosemary Hawley Jarman. Fair.interpreted of King Richards character.
Could it simply be a case the 9th was disbanded and it’s troops use to replenish the other Legions ? That’s happened may times in history with other armies.
That could have been the case several decades later as to the Legion's eventual disappearance, but there is plenty of evidence now that the 9th simply departed Britain fully intact, to take up their next assignment at the Roman fort at what is now Nijmegen, Holland. See my post above, or the Wikipedia article about the 9th Legion to learn more.
exactly
That's what I believe happened.
OMG.
I read that book as a 10 year old, which started my love of history. That was 42 years ago.
No one I have met has ever read it!
Thank you!
I was given a copy by my Aunt as a teenager must be 60 years ago. It was a World Book Club edition. So I guess most of the people who originally read it are now in their 70s and 80s. Like the guy in this video it gave me a life long interest in Roman History.
Once you get bitten, that’s it!
I read it in junior school bout 58 years ago forgotten all about it till I saw this RUclips video.
Same here and I am 58, I also asked some colleagues about the Biggles books again ..nothing
The book “The Eagle of the Ninth” seems to have started a number of people into archeology and the common interest in The Romans in England. I remember reading it in the sixties.
Loved it too!
i see real wars of the past. very roman scenes.
sandy area, sunny temple like steps close by. was the birds eye views from minds eye illusions
showing people attacking romans were black dressed, and the one roman kicking ass had a special type helmet different from the others.
I got introduced to history, when I ran away from my colleagues' bullying and went to the library where they couldn't beat me, there I found a book by Alexander the Great, from then on my love for stories only increased to the point that today I am an archaeologist in the my country Brazil.
It’s really a testament to how good Romans were at documenting things that we don’t have more legions that disappear from history like this
Theodor Mommsen also analysed the collection of roman coins owned by the family von Bar. Their farmers had collected a huge amount of roman coins while plowing in the region east of the city of Osnabrueck in Germany. In 1892 he published his analyse and suggested that the battle of the Teutoburg Forest must have taken place in that area.
Now we know Mommsen was right (see the objects in the Museum of Kalkriese). It's therefore possible that Mommsen was also right when he said the 9th Legion had been wiped out during an uprising in York.
They've been excavating and finding amazing things... gruesome to be sure.. but still stunning
@manfredgrieshaber8693 Actually there is no definitive proof that the main army of three Roman legions was wiped out in the area around Kalkriese, despite what the Osnabruck regional tourist board would like you to believe. Yes, there was some military action between the Romans and Germans in this vicinity, but not nearly enough artifactual evidence toestablish this was the main battlefield. The Roman historian Tacitus stated that at the same time the main battle too place, the many other detachments stationed in the region were also overrun, and this was apparently the case at what must have been the case at Kalkries - a small Roman outpost along an important route used for centures. The earliest archaeological reports prove that rather than this being the random site of an ambush of Roman forces marching through the area, in reality it was a kind of roman outpost along a road as proven by the postholes left by the buildings, as well as large pieces of pottery and even parts of furniture that simply wouldn't be carried at the head of a Roman Army. When they say that hundreds and hundreds of Roman artifacts were found, it is very misleading, as most of these artifacts were tiny fragments like boot nails. It might have been that only one Roman Cohort of approximately 400 men were stationed at this spot, and they were overrun by a much larger German force. From the actual Roman accounts, Kalkriese is too far from the known departure point of the Legions, to be the actual site of the main battle. This is just like the "Lost 9th Legion" Mockumentary we are discussing here -- the German "experts", just the British ones in this video, are deliberately hiding the evidence to keep their popular myths, though at least in the German case, the Legions really were destroyed by their ancient ancestors, unlike in the 9th Legion myth where they simply left to assume a new posting at the Roman fortress at Nijmegen in the Rhineland. I must admit though, that it was a tremendous thrill to actually hold and even peer through the eyeholes of the famous Roman mask from Kalkriese, when it was in a temporary exhibit in Rosenheim, where I helped with some of the other displays in the exhibit!
@@danpeterson114 : Scientists from the Deutsche Bergbau Museum Bochum, Leibniz-Forschungsmuseum für Georessourcen
and from the Kalkriese Museum published the results of a new research project on the 16th November 2022:
They analysed very small parts of microminerals in many remains of roman equipment found in Kalkriese.
They managed to identify a kind of individual chemical fingerprints in all those objects.
The main result of this project is that there were a lot of small metal pieces found in the Kalkriese area which belonged to the equipment of men from the 19th legion former stationed in Dangstetten in the south of Germany. And the 19th legion had been wiped out in the battle of the Teutoburg forest. So this is the final proof that the battle took place at Kalkriese as a legioners equipment used to be maintained with local available materials. Small remains in Dangstetten and in Kalkriese show exactly the same specific chemical fingerprint. No other example of any remains except from this legion contains this chemical fingerprint.
The theory that the 9th Legion got wiped out by the Caledonian Picts was proposed by Theodor Mommsen either the late 19th Century Ce . At that time, the last known location of the 9th Legion was in present day York where they were reconstructing a military fortress in stone and the confirmed date was 108CE. Then in 1956, archeologists excavating the remain of the Roman fortress in Nijmegen, Netherlands discovered several tiles dated from 104CE-120CE which bore the stamp of "LEG HISP IX" inscribed on the reverse and a silver-plated bronze pendant, found in the 1990s, that was part of a phalera (military medal) which also bore the stamp of "LEG HISP IX". Also AN altar to Apollo which dated from the same period, was found at nearby Aquae Granni (Aachen, Germany), erected in fulfillment of a vow, by Lucius Latinius Macer, who describes himself as primus pilus (chief centurion) and as praefectus castrorum ("prefect of the camp", i.e. third-in-command) of IX Hispana. These discoveries indicate that the 9th Legion may have been relocated to Continental Europe though some historians argue that it is a detachment rather than the entire legion got relocated. After these discoveries, the trail had gone cold.
@@MrLantean quite interesting in either case... I can feel more argumentation coming
What a fascinating video. It was very nice to see the evidence being presented by experts and the tentative conclusions based on that evidence properly weighed and considered. Too many popular presentations seem to feel they have to present an unexpected conclusion.
If you enjoyed Sutcliffe's book, check out the film, "The Eagle" Adapted from Sutcliffe's work, it is really quite good!
Yes it is good .My only quibble is the shaven heads of the caledones but that said good film. Enjoy.
Eww I didn't like it at all 😬
It was also a BBC series in the late 1960’s or 70’s, not sure of the exact date but I remember watching it. That’s how I got into History.
I live in Sheffield and there is a hill fort in a area called wincobank which is believed to be a Brigante one. It’s amazing standing up there thinking of the native Britain’s fighting off the 9th.
The Peak Districts hill forts would have also been controlled by them as well.
Love seeing Tristan present. Keep up the great content. 😊
I live in the netherlands ...in nijmegen and there are diggs and roman finds from time to time. Its a pitty people are not permitted to search with metal detectors anymore without a permit..Because the increase of finding some interesting roman or WW2 stuff for the world to share has decreased significantly.
some laws are meant to be broken
Just rewatched the movie Centurion this week.
Great documentary. Will we ever know for sure?
If anyone wants a good, quasi-somewhat-fictional, read about The Boudican Revolt:
Give Simon Scarrow's Eagles of the Empire series a read. Specifically his last 2 books: "Death to the Emperor" & "Rebellion".
Yes and K.M. Ashman's The Roman Chronicles. Damn fine fiction.
For me it's Douglas Jackson's Rome series
There's archaeological evidence that the IX Legion was first transfered to southern Holland, then onto the Parthian border, where it might have been destroyed in 167AD
But never in 167 :) In 166 the Romans crush the Parthians and burn their cities in Mesopotamia (Iraq) and Media (Iran). This may be the one legion with which a governor advanced at the beginning of the conflict in 161.
Some think that from the way the “9” was written on pottery it was an associated auxiliary unit not the full legion that was moved to what is now the Netherlands. Before that auxiliary units were moved to the Rhine so not unlikely units were also moved to the Low countries.
Definitely a yes in regards to the Legion's departure from Britain intact and subsequent stationing at the Legionary fortress at Nijmegen, which the "experts" of this Mockumentary had to have known, but shamefully withheld in order to keep this popular British myth alive.
@@RonTodd-gb1eo A lot of genuine legionary inscriptions look amateurish in comparison with inscriptions by training sculptors.
Where in Holland?
I was there 2,000 years ago as part of the IX Legio; we fought the Caledonian, but it was useless. We asked for reinforcement, but Cap. said no, many of our legionnaires were killed, and the few that survived decided to desert to the mountains. Not to mention, the Brigantes were hunting our heads; as you all know, those barbarians were head hunters, and so we had to run and hide. Later, we intermarried with local Britannia women, had a family, and became farmers. We blended with the local populations. When legions came looking for us, we hid and remained hidden. We enjoyed our peaceful farming working life, as did our wives and kids.
Fascinating and well presented, with intriguing mystery 👍👏👌
You know, I sat here for one hour , unknowingly being subject to other's egos.Bring back Rome.
Excellent show. And one of the best channels on RUclips.
Isn`t the 9th the legion that was attributed to some building works in Belgium well after the date of their disappearance in history. There is a popular theory that they moved and where not wiped out. Only the evidence of them moving was wiped out ( by time ).
Sometimes it is not a mystery at all.
Excellent video! I think you are correct personally. I think they were almost destroyed if not wholly destroyed in the north of Britain. When that happened, they were either disbanded or rolled into the 6th.
Edit: 55:30. "Exceptionally sanguineous". what a great word!!
The ninth legion could have easily been merged and whatever writings of it gone lost over time, seems like a needle in a haystack thing. It didn't disappear over night, the paper trail is lost and that's it.
I find the whole Claudian Invasion way more intriguing than the endless search around the Mediterranean of a lost legion.. Still a good upload tho! Thanks
Eagle of the 9th did it for me too. But for me it was picking up one of my son's books. Loved The Shining Company too. Good survey of all the evidence on the 9th, several which were new to me. One thing I do know is old Momsen's opinion is always worth listening to.
My theory is they were mostly wiped out in Scotland and the story of Agricola rescuing them is a a cover story. The Romans may have transported the bodies back south to hide the defeat. So soon after Boudica news of losing another legion would have been politically untenable. Roman officers were very political creatures.
Normally if that was the case they wouldn't use the legion number again, but I think they continued with using 9th for a long time.
My hunch is that there was an unknown redeployment that hasn't been discovered yet.
They called Obelix Fat! That was the end of the Ninth Legion.
LOL exactly 👍
There are two Gravestones above SASBACH near Breisach in the Blackforest next to the River Rhein.The stones show the buried are from the Legion Britanicus ,which I think had the remanents of the 9th Legion.They are to be found on the hill behind the Guesthause at Sasbach next to the River Rhein. This is a corner of Germany with a lot of history,well worth a visit after research.Famous French General in the 16-17th Centuries.and abattle was nearby. Also next to the Kaiserstuhl is a small town claiming GEORGE and the DRAGON ! There is a lot more.BE BLESSED😃😃
An astounding documentary 👏
They discovered bonny Scottish lasses “coming thru the rye”. Settled down. Together created 2 new Scottish clans, the MacNinths and the McLegions. The rest is history.
During WW1 and WW2 we sometimes dissolved badly depleted divisions to provide reinforcements to other more healthy divisions as it makes sound military sense to do so.
This activity was not confined to large units like divisions but all the way down the military scale and it was quite common for a soldier to have his battalion dissolved and to be transferred to another regiment altogether in which that soldier still identified as belonging to his mother unit even while wearing the trappings of his new one.
Such is the power of that elusive 'esprit de corps' and I'm fairly sure that an old legionnaire of the Ninth Hispanola had plenty of that and would have liked to have that inscribed on his tomb despite spending a lot of time in other legions.
It's for this reason I believe the 9th was dissolved to bring up to strength other legions with a levy of experienced veterans, nothing to do with disgrace, just sound military logic.
5000 men and no archaeological evidence, not even a shield. Odd no transport logs to other places? Great program!
Last summer, I saw some ninth legionaries at a gas station in Kalamazoo.
Haha, bravo!
Quite interesting theories on the demise of the Ninth Legion. Very good documentary film.
The “lost” 9th legion was never “lost”. It returned to the Continent and was disbanded shortly after.
People love a good yarn and the legend is certainly more intriguing than the truth. That said, the legion was disbanded. There are numerous instances of legion disbandment and/or amalgamation with other legions to keep up the numbers.
The only thing “lost” was the administrative records documenting this legion’s disbandment.
CONGRAGULATIONS! YOU DID IT!
A WINNER IS YOU!
The Agricola wrote down his victories and avoided documenting his defeats. It's more than obvious to me the 9th legion was nearly wiped out in the attack on their fort. The Name or Legion number may have been reconstituted later though.
I could listen to Lucy Creighton for hours.
Julius Cesar's 9th Legion knew he was an epileptic. & never thought any less of him as a leader.
Good enough for them! I say it looks very much like they ended up feeding the forest like several other legions that crossed the roman wall.
‘To future historians, we have disbanded the 3rd janitorial team for the night shift at Morganne Pierpont Bank. They all went home or found another job. They didn’t disappear. Thank you.’
Legio III Janitorus
Interesting history...you Brits have some great story tellers
British are really English Welsh. Scots just joined a union with brits
Watch 41 mins on. English gave in. Scots in North fight on
If you are American or Canadian, this is your history too.
I love The Eagle of the Ninth
I know I left that Legion around here somewhere.
200 strong male bodies were found in a crypt of a church in Wales there was no damage or clothes on the bodies
What if after suffering a near defeat at its night camp, it was simply disbanded into other units, replaced by the 6th legion and all records destroyed to avoid military humiliation?
This fits my view which explains why Britain is so heavily influenced by Rome and why Britons ancient history has been eradicated. Where as Ireland and Scotlands was still alive and Briton continued to try to eliminate it with a skill level that could only have come from Rome. All those highly skilled educated men so skilled in building empire just decided to stay in Briton and become lords.
'Scotland' didnt exist until long after the end of the roman empire.
And
Everyone living in the island prior to the roman invasion were 'britons' the entire island is fkn britain.
They all spoke variations of the same language.
Youre slapping entirely different times together like it was all the same era.
No. Just no.
Wasn't the movie The Eagle about the IX Legion being gone as well, besides trying to find the Eagle?
The film is based off the Eagle of the ninth legion book that they talk about in this video.
So, the Romans didn't really like to write nine as IX. They preferred to write it as VIIII. Similarly, they much preferred to write 4 as IIII, rather than IV.
While I would agree that writing Roma numerals in the shorthand version (ie- IX instead of VIIII) is more intuitive and MUCH neater, the Romans themselves would have disagreed. While you will see a healthy mix of the long and short versions, if you visit Italy, it's not because it was written thusly by the Romans, in antiquity. No, when you see the short version used in various parts of Rome, or in other places where Roman handiwork is still extant, what you're seeing is the work of people who came long after the Romans. It could be a modern city council marking something that only appears to be ancient, but is in fact rather modern. Or it could be the work of someone who was earnestly trying to restore fading Roman artefacts, but who just didn't know that the Romans didn't write 4 and 9 like that.
SO... If you see "evidence" that says something akin to "Legio IX Was 'ere!" then you can be reasonably certain that it's fake, because anyone alive at that time would have written "Legio VIIII" and not "Legio IX"
Nb: Here's some supporting evidence you might like to read, if you remain unconvinced:
monochrome-watches.com/why-do-clocks-and-watches-use-roman-numeral-iiii-instead-of-iv/#:~:text=However%2C%20even%20though%20it%20is,4%20(instead%20of%20IV).
Things are actually more complicated. At the time of the Roman Empire there were in fact two languages: Classical Latin and Vulgar Latin (similar and mutually intelligible). Classical Latin was the language spoken in Rome by the educated people (upper classes, and in the Senate), written on monuments, stones, and used by the writers whose work arrived to us. Classical Latin is also the language that we study today on textbooks at school.
Vulgar was the language spoken by the un literate masses, and the one used by merchants throughout the Empire. All the romance languages (Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian, and others) evolved in parallel and with cross contaminations from Vulgar Latin. The Latin used in the Middle Age too (by the Church and on official documents) was more similar to Vulgar than Latin proper.
I am not 100% sure, but to me IX is classical Latin, while VIIII is vulgar, or a later vulgarized (= simplified) form of the classical Latin of the origins.
It is also interesting to read Isaac Newton's (the most famous British scientist: F=ma) work: Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica. Still ~300 years ago if you wanted to have an international audience you had to use Latin (probably Vulgar, with many words forged centuries after the fall of the Roman Empire, but basically the same language spoken by the legionaries of Legio IX Hispana, stationed in York, a remote outpost of the Empire). A testimony how far reaching is the heritage of the greatest of all empires.
Boy you feel for those 2000 Roman soldiers facing off against Boudicas 100,000! Rough odds!
The Maetae did for the 9th on that traditional killing ground, the Carse of Stirling.
They got to the north west of England, decided that it was the most fabulous place they had ever seen, a real heaven on earth, beautiful women, fantastic food and the Lake District just up the road. I think that they assimilated into my wonderful Lancashire.
Maybe they were disbanded and the Romans sent them to other legions and other countries..
If a legion was destroyed the name was retired e.g. the legions of Varus.
Great job, guys. I thoroughly enjoyed watching this. Did the British have their own written language at this time?
Of course they did! Haven’t you heard of Cymraeg?
@@megw7312 No!
@@markinglese3874 Is that a … never heard of it?
@@markinglese3874 Cymraeg is now called ‘Welsh’.
@@markinglese3874 The ‘Egyptian’ hieroglyphs are readable using Cymraeg.
This legion was known to be in the province of Germania Inferior during the first half of the second century A.D. It likely was transferred later on to the province of Cappadocia and was the legion lost in 161 A.D. under Sedatius Severianus at Elegia; destroyed by the Parthians under the command of Chosroes.
Beautifully done! ❤ Tristan.
eagle of the ninth was the beginning of my live of history
they dissolved into the Picti
A gnarly old Scot told me; the legion sent a runner back to Braco (Ardoch) from their last known camp at Lixtoll, Perths. & were never heard of again - A clue in the name?
Lesson taken from this video: No matter how long an Empire lasts, at the end of the" day" it will vanish into thin air...and the story goes on an on...as long human exists ...
It’s one of those things we will likely never know, personally I think it was disbanded to fill out other depleted legions
All those later career tablets have the legion labelled as "VIIII", the same as the Nijmegen detachment, and not the 'main' Legion in Briton which was labelled "IX". This tells me that those later veterans were members of the detachment(s) but not the main force, which remains unaccounted for.
I love the Doctor Who episode about the 9th Legion 😍
The Roman legion had the system in which that an army that was running down in legionaries,they didn’t add to the legeo but continued on until it was time for them to be able to get their diplomas.
There was no England in the Roman Period
Just got to love how they call Scotland the North of Britain lol
Well it IS northern britain.
Britain is the entire island.
@@sugarnadsThat’s the Roman name for England and Wales
Hey thanks for this I’m a bit older watched a lot of Lee Marvin movies over the years had no idea he was a World War II Marine
Thanks for Lee Marvin reference. He lived and met the locals in Tucson Arizona USA. As a Marine sniper he fought at Gaudicanal. After the war he climbed the ranks of roles and joined the large numbers of ex-celebrities living peacefully in Tucson where the locals didn't bother them. He died here. Good fellow and neighbor. My mother met him at the sales counter of a lumber yard. None of the clerks bothered to deal with the two, so Marvin eventually shrugged his shoulders, smiled and walked out and drove off in his old pickup truck.
You da best Anna''Keep up the good work you do
I live at wincobank, an area of modern day sheffield and here we have a Brigante hill Fort, one of three throughout the south yorkshire region.
Not much evidence of continuous occupation which leads people to believe it must have not been finished in time for when the romans came by?
It has been set on fire as the ramparts are shown to have been burned ? I wonder if the 9th passed by and attacked or found an empty fort so torched it?
Considering that absolutely nothing is known about the fate of the Legio IX, they've done remarkably well to spin this documentary out for over an hour 🙄
It's a great watch
See Chester fascinates me... built big enough to hold four legions, but never used by four legions. If I had to rebuild a unit, that's where I would send them. Not to a fort by itself.
Have you heard stories of people hearing the eerie sounds of this legion marching through one of the valleys of the Lake District.
It’s where the A591 runs north of Thirlmere
I heard a tale about a Roman legion sent to explore the border between Egypt and Lybia. This legion is supposed to have disappeared from history. Would you do a feature on this incident? Thank you.
Go and look at the Burial stones between Neath ( Nidum ) and Bontfaen ( Bonium) there have been 14000 Burial stones counted with Roman Markings .
Wasn't this doc about the Ninth Legion released a month or so ago?
It seems that History Hit needs to rerelease its catalog of docs every 18 months or so?
Based upon the frequency of repeated Mary Beard Roman docs on YT.
The Roman Legion VIIII (NINTH) HISPANIA - was one of the most famous Legions in the Roman Army, they were
involved in every major conflict, for at least 2 centuries before the "disappearance" in York, Britain. It is interesting
to note that Britain as an Island, contains England, Scotland and Wales, with Ireland very close-by, with only England
that was fully integrated into the Roman Empire, could this fact, give us any clues? perhaps it was England that had
the best farmlands? perhaps England that had the best mines? perhaps England had the best weather? perhaps
England had the best fishing grounds? perhaps England had the best Football Stadiums?
The question about what happened to the Ninth Legion VIIII is a mystery that has grown exponentially with the famous
book written by Rosemary Sutcliffe in the 1950's, I haven't actually read it, but I think I might now to see if there are any
clues left in the book, or in the archaeology, one thing that is worth mentioning is the "military transfer" to the Rhine,
they go into the Nijmegen area, that is precisely in the Belgium/Netherlands region, which happened to be the precise
areas of major interest for the Spanish Tercios in the Middle Ages (around 15th, 16th, 17th centuries) and it is worth
mentioning, that is very, very close to Britain, only within a few hours sailing, so did they go to the Rhine? probably some
were transferred there, apparently, there was a "major reinforcements" from those areas into the Ninth Legion, as they had
"lost" plenty of fighting legionnaires in the British Wars (or revolts) with some possibly falling in the fighting, and some
possibly "taking British Lands" - and simply disappearing into the fog, over the hills, and far away, alliances were formed,
with the local tribesmen, and the long list of military accomplishments by the Ninth Legion were assimilated into the
British/Celtic tribes, the former soldiers, garrisoned into forts, working building roads, fortifications, ramparts, walls,
canals, moats, etc. and fighting life & death struggles, was replaced with "free tribesmen" living and working their
landholdings. Later-on replacements from the Rhine, 10 years later went back there, some of the old guards probably
went with them. There is no way that an experienced Roman Legion, encamped inside their fortifications were wiped
out by fighting tribesmen, it was something else, like the "majority" of the Ninth, slipped across the "border" into Scotland,
and then disappeared into the fog, into the hills, into the mountains, where they knew, they would never be "outflanked".
*Note: The other notion of the Ninth being transferred to the Judea is never noted, is never written, and is never recorded,
it is just a "theory" without a basis, the same for the Ancient Armenians theory, as the Roman Empire seems to have stopped
and the junction of Armenia, a little bit like Scotland, Ireland & Wales, but are the Current Armenians, the same people as
the Ancient Armenians? as the Eastmal Blob, keeps pushing from the East, BloBBing-in slowly but surely, in fact they got
sick of waiting, for the "slowly but surely", and just committed genocide on the Armenians, called the "Armenian Genocide",
a kind of TURKEYIZATION of Europeans, with the former European Stronghold of the Caucasus Mountains being specifically
very heavily targetted............................................................................................................................................................................
TAKE NOTE: Scottish, Irish & Welsh Peoples, the Ismal/Eastmal Genocide System, targets "White- European Strongholds"
LAST WORD: We have a mention of Romania, there on the Black Sea, which was previously "White European Settlements",
but we have proof of Romania being very heavily targetted by the Eastmal Genocide System, they put-in puppets from
the East, from the "other side of the Black Sea, "FROM THE STANS", get into Romania, learn the language, learn the culture,
and then they try to pass themselves off as "Romanians" - so that ISLAMIC & COMMUNISTS & TURKS, then by a short
period of "acclimatization's" and deliberate, calculated, engineered and manufactured events, over only a short period
of time, maybe 40, 50 or 60 years, NOW BECOME .............................CHRISTIANS & DEMOCRATIC & EUROPEANS................
ALL A MAJOR FARCE AND FALSEHOOD.....OH, AND I ALMOST FORGOT TO MENTION, THEY BECOME LATIN SPEAKERS.
AND BY THAT TURK PUPPETS, COULD FLOAT INTO THE "AMERICAS" AND STATE THEY ARE LATIN AMERICANS,
WHEN QUITE CLEARLY - THEY ARE NOT. THIS IS A MAJOR DANGER TO THE "FREE-PEOPLES" OF THE AMERICA'S
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The Ninth was last recorded in Germania Inferior (Netherlands/Belgium) not Britain. The Eagle of the Ninth was entirely fiction. The last records of the Ninth in Britannia were in 108, over ten years before its "disappearance" around 120AD.
That wasn't the "other 9th"?
May I have the source please? Thank you.
Is there a way to find out about the battle with the Ordvician and Silures?
Known as the VIIII apparently, that’s what was found on a carved stoned in Northumbria. The last time they were mentioned
Anything but admit that the Caledonian's were already forming themselves into a coalition of kingdoms that banded together to force the withdrawal of Rome to south of Hadrian's Wall. The Caledonian's obviously refused to capitulate and become Romanised. They refused to trade, refused to cooperate, continued to harry and resist, making the occupation of North Britain impossible. Britons fleeing the wars in the south would head north, pledging their loyalty and their swords to the Caledonians. Those in the north knew what to expect from the "Roman peace" and were having none of it. A grinding war of attrition was inevitable. The 9th probably were ambushed, repeatedly, by guerilla fighters until they finally succumbed. But English scholars can't stomach that. They'll come up with any other imagined scenario, and call it fact.
Interesting theory that Hadrian's Wall might have been built to keep the people just south of it venturing north.
I think it is very interesting but there is talk about the 9th nlegion. You show tiles with Legio VIIII on it. but isn't 9 in Latin not IX?
Personally I’m thinking. The ninth more than likely were disbanded and merged into another existing garrison. Just like today’s British army
They opened a chippy in Dundee.
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STAND STILL when speaking - you are ruining it. Smartarse.
I was born in York and lived amongst all the Roman history. The Ninth marched out of York and their ghosts still march around the town. They have been seen in the basement of the Treasurers House in York. I have the Tile Stamp tattooed on my arm. Forever proud to be born in York. My daughter had 7 wisdom teeth, the DNA marker of the Vikings. I have named my film making studio Ninth Legion Films.
Senior officers in the Roman military were very mobile. A young officer would start with one legion,be promoted to another and eventually command a third. Monuments listing service in a legion do not mean it was stationed there. Emperors only visited Britain if they had to; Hadrians visit,the arrrival of the sixth, construction of the wall and the disappearance of the ninth must be linked. After several defeats the Romans may have decided that the ninth was unlucky,and replaced it with the sixth. Though the ninth may have been defeated in battle it would have left a garrison at York which presumably would have been absorbed into the sixth.