Chinese Electric Vans ~ The Only Affordable Option?
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I've got exactly the same van with 12k miles on it. Its averaged 150 miles a charge over winter, using the heater and heated seats, which costs £4.50 on my home charger.A Maxus dealer bi-annual service cost me £185. They come with a 5 year warranty on the whole vehicle and 8 years on the battery.Its perfect for me as a heating engineer doing local work, a charge can last me a week. Its great to drive, very quick around town and the insurance only cost me £405 a year and no road tax.I previously had a Transit Custom (69 plate) that cost me 26 pence a mile as opposed to 3 pence which this van costs and was no end of bother and broke down after 3.5 years, which was out of Fords 3 year warranty. That cost me £1500 to get fixed.Electric vans are no good for people doing big miles everyday but it suits me.
Dont knock it until you've tried it.
Is this a post by a Chinese plant?
@@andrewashton195 Ah so.😂
How much was the van
I've got the same van
I got 5 years warranty it never plays up
I wouldn't buy anything else love me van
@@tigerick7291
Ass sore
I had a fully electric van as my work van between 2015 and 2020. Half the battery size of this so also half the range.
It was the shops van, So it needed public charging in the car park to survive. Not sure what things are like now, but the council managed the chargers and that meant they were just left to rot.
Electric is great within it's range and a great van, having predictable charging is a must.
My current vehicle is back to diesel. After failures outside of warranty and very expensive repairs. I prefer something I can repair myself.
Yeah, they keep to delivering milk.
lol there ain’t much to repair on an EV..
First electric van I've seen with a roof rack. Van looks empty. Roof rack and loaded cargo area will eat the range.
Same for petrol or diesel
@@adus123don't be silly
@@adus123are you for real
The trouble is that will be more like 110miles in the winter.
And that is with the heating off.
And when it ages. A friend of my daughter bought a Leaf new, a couple of years in and the range has dropped a fair bit.
I've got exactly the same van with 12k miles on it and it's being averaging 150 miles per charge this winter. It also costs 3 pence a mile to run and as said , no road tax. It's perfect for my use as a heating engineer and because most of my work is local a charge (£4.50) can last me a week.
Don't knock it til you've tried it
I have the first generation leaf, with the crap heating system. It's 13 years old. It takes a fair hit on the range in the winter due to heating. Heated seats like that van has would make a huge difference, as I can generally run the heating in the morning when it's plugged in to defrost the windscreen. Beyond that, heated seats would heat the passengers. As it happens, I don't really mind the cold, so I just live with it, and force my daughter to wrap up if she's travelling with me.
@@tigerick7291you've gone and spoiled it now for all the naysayers by coming up with factual figures relevant to this van 🤣
Great stuff Rog , always bringing interesting content . Keep it coming mate 👍
Thanks, will do!
Waiting for the next gen of batteries to come out, we tried an e-vivaro and got about 80 miles in winter fully racked and loaded for heating/electrical around sussex. It was a nightmare if you were called out and didn't have enough charge to go back out. We also later found out that the larger battery pack puts it over the 3.5 tonne so the driver has to have the extended 4 day course for EV's otherwise the insurance is void. Little vans and local work - deliveries etc no brainer. Firms providing a call out service around a larger area they're not ready yet.
Roger - i was just going to type give it 6 months and go back and see how hes doing but then you said it ! Reg Sep 2022 £41925 currently worth £22820 , he would not be charging at my house unless he paying for the electric. . 3 seats the weight of 3 burly builders
Interesting to see how the maths works out during life of that van to normal diesel
-Depreciation
-Losses on jobs unable to attend due to charging or distance
VS
-savings on running costs
-possible cost effective battery replacement tech in future
😂😂 yeah Roger does that a lot ….when you’re thinking about something then he says it
I use an electric Peugeot e-Rifter (the passenger version of the Partner van) as my daily car. I think it's great personally. Claimed range is about 160 miles, I get maybe 140 winter and 180 summer or thereabouts. Really nice to drive, very quick by van type vehicle standards. I'm on a cheaper overnight charging deal than this guy so end up paying around 2.5 pence per mile. Obviously charging at a public charger is a lot more, but still less than my diesel Transit Connect used to cost me. Batteries are on a 9 year manufacturer warranty, less parts to go wrong, I'm not going back to diesel any time soon.
Early days for this fella
i am looking to buy a newer van since my van got written off about a month ago, was up Aberdeen way looking at a euro6 engine transit, the sales person told me to stay away from the Maxus vans, they had just had a 6year Maxus in for MOT and it had failed for holes in the chassis. maybe down south in Englandshire you guys will get more milage out of the chassis with the better weather in winter compared to Scotland and all the road salt and the sticky salt on the motorways but as i was told, they are cheap for a reason.
i also dont get why roof racks are not as good as the past. i only need a roof rack 4 or 5 times a year which on my old transit 12 plate took 20minutes to bolt it to the van gutters and use it as i please. but the new body transits, it looks like i will need to have one on it all the time or no roof rack. was hoping to find an aftermarket roof rails like a car has that you can bolt a roof rack too but cant find anything so far. seems silly to me as its an essential bit of kit for some van owners. not running a roof rack can save £5 to £10 on fuel per tank when i tested it years ago, probably £10 to £15 in todays money. even better still why havent the big manufacturers designed a roof rack to fit into the roof body that you pull up when need it and tuck down when dont?
I notice the parent brand is SIAC MOTOR… I think they make MG cars 🚘
You are correct. Very soon all those brands that we think are European will be made in China
Fantastic :-) great vid
Build quality is not great and payload is definitely an issue. We have 6 of these at work so speaking from experience. Hopefully if UK government finally decide to up rate the GVW from 3500kgs to 4250kgs for alternative fuelled vehicles. Electric vans might start to make sense
I don’t think you can consider them for long daily runs, but as a local runaround why not.
A friend of mine bought a suv style electric jag for £72,000 and decided to sell it 10 months later . And the jaguar dealer offered him £28,000 for it and it only had just over 2000 miles on it.
Think of how much he saved on fuel 😂
The iPace is notoriously unreliable. You can pick up brand new ones for under £50k now. 2 year old low mileage for half of that. Having said that the Land Rover Discovery Sport has an even worse reliability and depreciation record, whether diesel or petrol.
Irrelevant much?
There is a glut of electric cars on the market, depreciation is awful now as new models provide real features like extending range thus lowering the prices of existing older models on the market and Jaguars are notorious for not holding value as well as losing a large percentage of their value when driven new off the lot. Your friend isn't particularly clever and got the expected result.
He spent £72k on a vehicle to travel 2,200 miles a year... insanity.
I think we are still a little ways from it being something the average joe will go and by without feeling like it limits them, but for those who are happy to make some changes and adapt I see no problems with them if they are buit to a good standard.
He will be in for a shock when he comes to sell it ….
Normal diesel work vans get driven into the ground and are never worth more than scrap value when the tradies are done with them. I wouldn't buy a CCP van, but the resale value of a well used work van is irrelevant.
It's probably leased and then written off in taxes so don't lose too much.
An electric shock!
If he's selling in 5 years time he'll probably get really good money for it.
The infrastructure will be bigger by then.
More people will have home chargers, and street charging will have become more available too.
If you've a driveway you could probably put a charger on it and rent it out through an app.
@@clothedwiththesun😂
Had mine for 4 years and never selling it . Just does the job and never goes wrong not even a light bulb as no vibration from the electric motor. It been charging today via my home solar PV so cost me nothing
Nice to hear positive things about EV vans. The first batch were just for homologation and compliance but these are getting decent. This week BYD announced the digital solid-state battery system is now here and will be mainstream from next year. This means fully charged in 10 minutes and 400 miles of range. It seems that EV's are finally starting to get useable. Nice one Roger good content.
Yep, I'm holding on to my CM cars (Suzuki and Jeep) until solid state batteries is the norm and cheap enough. Even though I'm starting to feel like an outlaw here in Norway as 90% of new vehicles sold now are EVs.
That is the van i got last week actually 😅
Let us know how it goes
Got a used and abused 2019 Nissan e-NV200… saving £200+ per month and zero maintenance.
Would prefer the SAIC in fact, bigger cargo area, payload and towing.
@skillbuilder you need to tell your mate to get on Octopus Intelligent, not limited to 4 hours overnight and it’s even cheaper!
Interesting stuff 🤔🧱👍🏽
What's the curly thing at the end of the ridge cap on that house?
It is the hip iron to stop the first tile sliding down and hitting the postman on the head
@@SkillBuilder Never seen one in Australia
Don’t need them for tin roofs😂
@@timstradling7764 😂😂
Telling a customer you need their electric to do their job, is like saying to them I need to Syphon your diesel to do the job.
How much would it cost the customer in electric?
I’m sure they could work out a deal
@@monkeyseemonkeydo432
Doesn't matter what it costs, it's up the to contractor to sort all that out before the job.
You wouldn't accept any other service to take your electric.
Amazon, hey can I plug in for 10 mins.
@@Robert-cu9bm
Yeah that’s what I mean
They agree to do business together
Then the customer and contractor can work out what the cost in electricity is going to be to charge the van
For how long the charge will be in hours
And how many kw are used and the price per kWh
Well I hope it works out for him, but I think he’ll live to regret buying that van. I hope he does give a totally honest review after 6 months. I’m guessing it will struggle to get over 100mile range in winter.
Yes you are guessing.
@@tigerick7291assumption based on observations, I wouldn’t call it a guess
You're correct my friend and when the van is fully laden, it will struggle to do even half of the range. Plus, if he's actually bought it and not leased, it will be worth next to nothing when he comes to part ex it in a few years time. At least diesel vans still have a decent residual value if you look after them.
@@AspireDecoratinghe didn’t lease it, it was an ex demo.
I’ve got a 2018 Citroen relay I bought for £13000 at a year old with 150miles , it was a pre reg. it’s now done 40000miles and I’m guessing it’s probably still worth £10000
@mikeolly67 yes same here, I bought a 2017 transit connect a couple of years ago with 51000 on the clock. (Ex Sky van) I've only put another 14000 miles on it but it's worth about the same I paid for it according to a couple of local dealers who have given me a part ex price. I don't understand why people think electric is more environmentally friendly when putting all the toxic battery substances aside, a diesel van will last twice or in some cases 3 times as long as an electric. It's mind boggling.
Get that man onto intelligent octopus. 7.5p for 6 hours overnight.
My 2014 VW diesel van has gone up in value since covid, so its basically cost me nothing to run the last 4 years and no depreciation. So at 40k with 10k a year depreciation, that Maxus is certainly not for me!
Spot on mate, my 2017 transit connect has a part ex value now that's around the same as I bought it a couple of years ago. I figure if I sell it privately, I'll have had 2 years free motoring!
😮. What a roof that was Jay…
How much was it? It's one of the main questions.
Hard pass on Chinese anything..
Had to hire van for week as transit in for MOT.... Got what I thought was ldv maxis diesel turns out yeah it's Chinese.... 350 miles on clock, drove like it was broken. Terrible experience
"Chinese anything" you must live is a fairly empty cave then 🤣
I dont live in Uk now....but in a second language i sometimes descibe a smiley faced transit as builder proof.....ive hammered pushrods straight on the kerb and got the things going at 10 o clock at night and theyve gone to work next morning ....😂😂😂
Maxus eDeliver 7 is the next new model, that has a way better range, of 230 to 340 miles Urban/city. Then is another version called the e Deliver 9?
I happily give him electric but i not got a drive so cant guarantee a space, guess ill be struggling for trade's in the future or maybe the world wakes up to deliver a decent alternative for all.
Chinese electric LDV. otherwise known as a no 36
Fine for some,not for everyone. Depends on your circumstances.
Funny reading some of the luddite mentality comments below🤣🤣
You will be sorry please come back for a update an honest one !!
sounds like a honeymoon convo.
It's sweet now but will soon turn sour
A bit cheeky getting the customer to pay for his charging. It's like asking them to pay for your diesel, ulez, and congestion charges. All because he embraces new tech.
The customer's paying for it all anyway when you think about it.
Nothing wrong with charging your customer. Unless you just charge labour and ignore your overhead/expenses cost!
Why should the customer not pay for you to travel to their home? Think about it for a moment. You would be out of business if you swallowed the cost of transport in your wages.
@@SkillBuilderIt's already, or should be, in the price agreed before works start. If it isn't then the tradesperson needs lessons in costing and profit and loss.
@@jp6975I'm sure he has the ability to price jobs differently based on location. Charging during the day at the customer's house is a practical consideration as well as financial. If he can only get a charge of X amount at night, then he'd potentially be spending the rest of the week catching up on charging the vehicle if he has jobs of different distances. As long as he's up front with the customer, there really is no issue.
Canterbury 50ml round journey, £1:10.....for now!!
Exactly, the costs for running electric vehicles will go up once they have more converts.
A matter of time before the batteries explode, thermal runaway!
Roger, how many heat pumps can you get in the back of one.
All the heat pump guys are buying electric vans.
@@SkillBuilderthat speaks volumes 🤔
@@SkillBuilder sure they are. 😂🤡
😂😂😂😂😂🎉😂🎉 yeah😂😂
The EV market is going down the pan
This van will be worthless soon
How much did it cost? Why not say the cost?
Possibly on a lease, so list price is immaterial.
@@gordonmackenzie4512Still a cost though
You will own nothing and be happy
WEF
Oh dear.
Fine for local work, however the bigger picture will affect everyone. By that I mean the thousands upon thousands of public chargers that will be needed, then all the infrastructure, additional power generation. Nobody is having this conversation, it's the same across the board, just popular agendas being pushed at us. Just how are EVs going to be adopted en- mass?
He could have taken you for a spin….. 😊
God help us
God probably doesn't exist, global warming probably does though
Thanks Rodger that's the Way to go, if I were twenty years younger I would buy one tomorrow, but at 66 and gradually winding down I will stick with my old ex post office Maxus. Luckily I am just outside the ULEZ so don't clock up too many charges. TBH an extra 12.50 a day is not worth getting excited about IMHO.
Air con, heater, lights, radio and heated seats will soon be a no-no or you won’t get home!
Everyone forgets how terrible batteries keep over time especially when undergoing normal usage. Imagine your phone battery the day you bought it day one compared to 3 or 5 months in. The problem with electric car batteries is the surface area causes even greater potential loss over shorter time. Good luck keeping these for long term. I suspect junkyards will be over flowing with relatively young “cars” 😂
Total nonsense. I've done 85k miles in my 5 year old mg zs EV. Battery state of health has only dropped 11% so see it going to well over 250k miles. And no timing belts to change or any of the other maintenance costs of an ICE car. I would never go back to an ICE car. And why the heck do people buy hybrids, you still have all the ongoing costs of an ICE.
I am sure it’s £36k new
Not in my lifetime
Diesel till I Die
It’s in the name 😀
Nothing there about insurance costs
Yeah right!! 😂😂😂
And your customer should charge you for charging
The customer has to pay for the transport one way or another.
Oh Christ Roger you've prodded the wasps nest again, first heat pumps now Chinese electric vans! Viewers Chinese manufactured phones and laptops with deadly lithium batteries in them are going to catch fire with the fury of the mashing their keyboards in the comments section 😂
Wouldn't ever consider a ccp made van, it feels like buying a something from Germany in 1938.
I’d buy a 80’s Lada or Skoda if one came up 😁 local taxi rank had a fleet of them
Always vote with your pocket.
agreed.. boycott the communists at every opportunity
150miles fuck that
Sounds good to me - smaller battery, lower price. I hate EVs that come with no option to get less battery.
150 on the flat, without towing or doing motorway speeds.
I wouldn't have one of those thing's given
Give it 5 years, the roof rack will be worth more than the van. Tesla knocked their cars by £30k and today they have anounced that they are sacking 10,000 people. Electric vans and cars may work in 20 years but not now. I can buy that van second hand in petrol for £5k, who's the fool?
Tesla is in trouble because the Chinese have the market sewn up. Elon Musk has even said that it is impossible to compete with them. Tesla is niche. Very soon every other new vehicle will come from China. They have built new ships that carry thousands of cars and they are heading this way.
@@SkillBuilder Ports in the UK and so many other countries are full of Chinese cars and vans, they are using them as car parks. There is no market for them, no dealers as it is reconised that they are not of quality. My inlaws have just bought an EV MG 6 months old for £25k, retail now is £35.00k there is no future for them. Stonewall have just been found out for their emperors new clothes, in a year the EV joke will be as well.
EVs are the future because it is superior technology compared to ICEs. You get way finer control over an electric motor than an ICE. This means improved traction and sporty direct control. At the same time you use significantly less energy. Running costs are a fraction compared to a traditional car while also having improved environmental credentials.
Petrol industry is working hard to keep the narrative going that EVs are BS. They fear for there business.
@@ThornOfCamor You can only fool some of the people all the time and this is reflected in the EV selling slump.
@ThornOfCamor Wise words, we have had EV’s cars & vans since 2014. I never understand the hate given towards EV owners and the implication that we are fools. It just makes me laugh when my vehicles are costing me pennies to run.
Don’t mention battery 🔥😅
ICE vehicles are statistically 20x more likely to set on fire than EV's.
EV fires are an urban myth.
And the elephant in the room, depreciation, his L200 would have lasted 15 years if he looked after it
Why are they bringing road tax in for electric vehicles? When it's based on emmisions?
Answered my own question, by 2027 to 2028 they expect £1.6 billion in extra tax 👍🏼 here me thinking it was about pollution
No thanks. I’ll buy something I can fix.
why do we support their economy.
Simple because if we didn't we in Britain would have nothing. Even our skids are made in China.
Don’t do it you’ll regret it, electric isn’t the way forward
Here comes all the FUD from the Sun readers😂
Why would you bother? I can come and do your job for you, but I need to plug my van in what a joke. I think I’ll stick with burning diesel.
I would not have an Electric van if they were free..
Are you sure DeWalt would say that considering how many of their tools are battery powered? 😂
Probably no worse Peugeot, Citroen , Fiat van
That is like asking for diesel money to come do a job.
Jog on, the travel and fuel costs are in a tradesmans daily rate.
What nonsense. If you have to travel 25 miles to a job and you swallow that in your daily rate you are not going to be in business long. You don't pay for your van with your wages.
@@SkillBuilder your travel costs are absorbed into the your costs and quote for a job.
You want my electric, I want a discount on the cost of a job.
Running a 2kW granny charger all day (say 8 hours) would cost less than £5 at a normal domestic rate. If I were him, I'd offer to pay, just to show how cheap charging an EV really is, and how miserly the client was being.
If you're paying a tradesman for a job that takes that all day, the total bill (including parts) is probably over £500. Not letting them charge is as petty as not letting them use your toilet.
@@robinbennett5994 A tradesman at work on site for 8 hours I's the funniest thing I have heard for a long time.
The tax dodgers might be lucky and get a cup of tea out of me.
One born every minute of the day😂
Strange... it looks a bit different from the thumbnail. Paintjob?
Yeah, you might want to watch a video by serpentza "Why China Can’t Censor and is Panicking about this EV Disaster", before you consider buying a Chinese EV.
Serpentza?😂😂😂
Fancy buying Chinese.🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
That particular van looks like a bag of shite; however, Chinese EVs are what's around the corner.
The mass adoption price point for EVs is around the £20k mark (or less) and the Chinese are the only ones that can manufacture them to that price point.
Prob is all the European mfrs need to buy and ship Chinese batteries or parts which adds to the cost. Buying direct off the Chinese will always be cheaper
The Chinese government have subsidised the EV car makers by a whopping $57 billion over the six years to 2022. So much so the EU is investing this with announcement soon.
By comparison the UK has been a little more cautious and £2billion funding is spoken about between 2025-30
@@loosecannon5813 The UK/EU have a real decision to make regards to Chinese EVs.
Do they apply heavy tariffs to Chinese manufactured vehicles, thus protecting domestic markets, or do they allow low-tariff import with the aim of meeting net zero targets.
Consumers are far less concerned regards to EV brand than they are with petrol/diesel. They buy them because they are utilitarian rather than how they make them feel (or are mostly allocated them as part of company fleet).
Wouldn’t have electric vehicle given for free. Would rather walk.
So you buy an electric van to help meet net zero from a country that is the most polluting in the world
I suggest that no one buys chinese EV's they are death traps so many vids on utube of the fires they are causing not the full truth as vids aren't freely available, a disgrace to expect the customer to charge the bloody van when on a job ffs imagine asking a customer to go buy some diesel, this bloke needs to charge his van at home even if he only gets 4 hrs at cheap rate tough luck, there is no way I would be charging anyone's EV the money he saves on road tax can pay to charge it, EV's are doomed musk has just laid off 10% of his world workforce as everyone is realising EV is not the way, this van will be no good fully laden.
I made that mistake by having a mobile car dent repairer come to my house to sort out rear bumper as some clown ran into me, he quoted 250 quid but then on arrival I had to supply electricity for his tools curing heater etc I had the same price from a proper body shop and no extra costs.
I wish I had this blokes e mail I would write and tell him what I think of him !!!!!
Given that the Chinese make most of the batteries in the world we are in for a toasty time
Disappointed in SB even touting Chinese brands as the solution. If we are to go electric vehicle way, which btw I don't want, then we need to make sure they're at least designed and built in the UK. Or just watch the industry and British jobs disappear. Isn't there enough examples of the decimation of the UK steel, electronics, clothing, micro chip etc.. industries just walking right out of the door to warn us to not even talk about foreign brands. Just STOP IT.
We are not touting anything, this is just us talking to a plumber about his van choice.
As for British jobs going down the drain it is already way too late for all European car manufacturers. China started on this mission 20 years ago and controls 90% of world battery production. That is the grim reality for us all.
Oh dear god. Shut up.
Out of interest, what vans are made in the U.K?
@@bordersw1239 Not many British owned but lots in practice on uk soil. The objection is specifically to Chinese one's as are being touted in this video, indeed the lead foreign nation decimating British industry.
@@Donkey-dh4nwDidn't I just reply to you in the daily mail comments? Something about myths and exaggeration?
We have one in work, not worth a shite.
What??
Electric van
Ah, looks good but can it burn?
If you got a set amount of cash to buy transport with to trade, which is a better decision for risk and money running ? Personally also I think what Khan has done in London taxing poorer road users that money to get about is utterly disgusting by the way. Then he has the nerve to call himself Labour.
Khan used these SAIC vans ( brought from CCP with our tax ) with mounted Ulez camera's to catch more working people , and he shipped a load of SAIC van's 1000's of miles from China to London , built using labour from concentration camps and using coal fired power stations , so that he could fine people in London based on 'air quality' ... that is the con summed up
Ev - big con . nothing is cheap.
Give me petrol all day
Keep supporting the CCP!
This is not about support or the opposite. This is just a plumber talking about his van.
I appreciate that, and it wasn't a personal dig at you or the van owner! I know it's only a builder and DIY'ers site and not political in any way! Merely pointing out, we do have a choice not to buy goods from a communist and oppressive state!
What's the old saying, "Buy cheap pay dear!" And that's not just monetarily either!
Having got that said, I must add that as a subscriber, I really enjoy your channel and have always found it very informative!
More eco BS
150 miles!! Does it come with peddles! Not for me🫤
Looks like Roger has given up on the heat pump push now hes on the electric van scam push. What will Roger be attaching his flag to next week ?
Asking a plumber about his choice of van is not a 'push' and I have no flag. I comment on anything and everything building related but covering a topic doesn't mean I need to agree of disagree.