Politics of language | Urdu Hindi Conflict| Bengali lang movement | FT Tariq Rahman |117 |TG Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Welcome to our latest podcast episode featuring a captivating discussion with Mr. Tariq Rahman In this episode, we delve into the intricate relationship between languages and politics, exploring how linguistic differences can sow the seeds of discord. Using the poignant example of the Hindi-Urdu conflict, we unravel how two languages once peacefully coexisted, only to become symbols of division among two religions. Join us as we dissect the aftermath of Pakistan's creation, where the imposition of Urdu as the lingua franca catalyzed the division between East and West Pakistan. Tune in for an insightful exploration of the politics of languages and their profound impact on society
Tariq Rahman is a Pakistani academic scholar, newspaper columnist, researcher, and writer. Dr. Tariq Rahman is the Dean of Beaconhouse National University, Lahore
0:00 Highlights
01:30 Introduction
02:55 Who is Tariq Rehman
09:49 Politics of language
18:56 Urdu Hindi Conflict
30:30 Hindu-Muslim Divide
36:06 Is Hindi an artificial language?
38:30 Imposing Urdu in Pakistan
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Great to see your hard work. I agree with Dr Sb. The process of bifurcation is so slow that most of us don't realize until happen. The reaction of our Hindu top positions is the cause of creation of Urdu Hindi crisis in 1867. Sir Syed was of the view prior to this controversy that India is a beautiful bride and both are eyes. But after it Sir Syed established Loyal Muhammad of India also declared two different nations. Best Regards
What a learned man.. Enjoyed this intellectual discourse immensely!
Many thanks for having him in !!!
🙏🙏
More & More of him in the future please.
People sitting on judgement in an area where neither Hindi nor Urdu originated.
Thus very far removed from ground realities, which germinated these languages.
I have watched a few Pakistani youtubers that make money on youtube by selling the Indian Propoganda. And i always wondered why are these people never talking about their domestic issues. This is a great episode to see these guys finally coming in terms with their issues and educating their audience.
Devanagari is an Indian script. The Bengali, Gujarati, Oriya and Panjabi are written in scripts which are derivation of Devanagari script. On the contrary, Urdu is written in a foreign script, Arabic.
And what’s your point? We shouldn’t take any foreign influences at all?
@@Abdullah-uv9nkYes 💯
@@Abdullah-uv9nk writing Urdu in Arabic is an imposition by Muslims. Muslims of the Indian sub-Continent want to impose Arabic culture on us. You even pray in Arabic, the language 99% of Muslims of the Indian sub-Continent don’t understand and can’t speak. Why not pray in your mother tongue? Christians read the Bible and pray in their own languages. Hindus read scriptures and pray in their own languages.
@StayFocused-ss5sp Bcz English is an international language I use English just To communicate
Devanagari is older than arabic above all it is from our soil.
Balanced discussion. Thanks.
Proof reading should be done. it's Hindi not Hindu.
36:06 Is Hindu an artificial language
This should be
36:06 Is Hindi an artificial language
Very informative podcost
Thank you 🙏
Where is the next part?
Ye wo bahas hai Urdu /Hindi jiss may ak panal discussion hona chahiye tha... Both countries kay writers ka jo iskay politics discuss kursakay..
India may Hindi unpurr dali gai, jo Urdu samajsaktay thay, aur doosri dacani languages bolnay walay reject kurdiye, issay ye howa, Urdu jiski mother tongue thi, wo read/write nahi kursakay urdu may, aur Hindi may bhari bhaarcum words dalkay sikhaya gaya... Jo ab regional hokay rehgai, style, aur simplicity kon appreciate karay...log sadi Zaban bol laytay Urdu say eersha, jalan aur hasad isliye kyu ki bohot popular aur advance language ho chuki thi. Jo ab bikhar si gai. Cultural isolation and denial Kia gaya bohtoo kay sath... Aur doosri languages jo feed kurti thi, wo bhi suffer howi.
Punjabis and Sindhis, etc are just wasting their own time as well as creating a useless headache for others by jumping into an issue of basically the Hindi belt.
But then it isn't for no reason that they call Pakistan an "international migraine".😅
گفتگو عام آدمی کے لئے اوردو میں کرنا چاہیے تھی کیونکہ بات اوردو اور ہندی کی ہورہی ہے
What is Portuguese word??
This is the fally of making a foreign language as your national language.
The gentleman narrated the entire story of UP & north India & what not but didn't utter a single word about Sindh or Sindhi while discussing about Pakistan. The UP muslims have been getting more lime light than they deserve in this nation where as the the nations who contributed land to Pakistan Project are always neglected like Sindhis & Balochs !!
Shut up! What is the contribution of sindhis and balochis to the society? Except tribal animosity killings and hate! Had people from UP (mostly) and other parts of India not come to pakistan there would have been no Urban society in sindh where the cities were occupied with urban sindhi hindus who left Sindh for India and mohajirs came here established schools colleges trade industry and infrastructure instead of thanking your muslim brothers from India who came here contributed positive still contributing but your hate psyche doesn't allow you to be large hearted large minded towards your mohajir countrymen!
Urdu was never a foreign language to this land. In punjab nwfp and kashmir, it was official language.
Actually UP m bhi local languages bolte h khadi boli or braj hindi urban centers m bolte h
Ye language delhi side ki h
@@mr.rathour6454
Mai khud Lucknow mei rha hoo ...vha Awadhi boli jati hai ...muslims bhi urdu nahi bolte only cities mei hindu muslims hindi bolte hai ... Jise khadi Hindi kaha jata hai ..
@@HimanshuShukla0802 hn m to Western UP ka bta rha tha baki to awadhi bundeli or bhojpuri bolte h
You missed one question. What would be the language that United the both parts, English or Bengali or something else?.
He said they should have accepted the diversity.
@@Abdullah-uv9nk no you didn't get the question. so do not reply if you don't understand.
@@najam067That question was asked already, I suggest you re watch the video
@@Abdullah-uv9nk no it wasn't. I suggest you rewatch as well...
@@najam06741:30 ‘rather than accept diversity’
Over simplified and distortion of historical facts.
Dr. Qaiser Shamim
There is no hindi Urdu conflict if any this is just a manifestation of how narrow hearts and minds work!
Languages are not symbolic, as said by guest, bread and butter is attached with language. Urdu is a foreign language in this area as English is. English is the language of learning Urdu don't enjoy such position. Though our regional Languages also don't have such status but theirs roots are attached with the soil.
Why all the conversation was in English. Are you ashamed of the national language?
Ref unedited history of Pakistan by Imran Nazar Hussein.
To understand Hindi/Urdu similarities/differences, listen to a video titled : 'Are Urdu and Hindi Really Different?'
It's a beautiful video with things explained in a very simple way.
This is by a channel called 'India In Pixels By Ashris'
He is an IITian and has done amazing work on languages and other topics.
That video is excellent, but the real issue is just semantic hair-splitting, nothing more.
It happened because of how the society changed due to British influence, as such facts are mostly immaterial.
A pity that Mr Rahaman carried on in Urdu; more people would have understood him in English/ For Pakistan, Punjabi is the national language.
Punjabi. Ha ha ha. Sindhi pathan and baloch hate to speak punjabi. Punjabi sucks. Besides poonjabis are uncouth.
I always wonder why Pakistani Punjabis don't love their language. In South Asia we have many languages and people are proud to speak in their own language especially Bengalis and Tamils. But Muslim Punjabis Don't !! Why ? This is crazy.. Punjabi is very old language and its music is soo popular in the region but PK punjabis just abandoned Their beautiful language !! Wtf. I heard a Punjabi folk song (?) Called Bohe Baria (?) by a pakistani singer and its sound soo good. As a Bengali i love my mother tongue . BANGLA BHASA is my identity my everything. Keep Urdu as ur national language learn other languages but at least don’t feel embarrassed to speak ur language. GOD could understand what believers are saying whether its Arebic, heebru or any other language.
Sourabh bhai you are great because your love for mother tongue.i am Punjabi Sikh in u.s.a.
Not only this the Punjabis hate Sindhis, Pashtuns & Balochs who take pride in their mother tongue. They want all of us to speak Urdu & abandon our mother tongues like them to be loyal Pakistani. What bullshit , really !!
Keep barking! Urdu is flourishing!
@@rattandhaliwal ❤
@@FaridUlIslam-co2ys ok good , but who is actually barking ? Me or you ? I didn’t disrespect any language. Urdu and Hindi both are beautiful language and widely understood in north india. But you are disrespecting other Cultures and languages in your comments which are much more older and rich than Hindi/urdu. You can't force others to speak your language bqz you are just a refugee in non hindi/urdu lands you should learn their language not them. Punjabis should speak Their Language if you have problem get out of their land.
My view is Hindi you may call it Urdu
Is one language &
Is written in 3 scripts Devnagari Roman & اردو ( उर्दू )
Roman is the commonly used those don’t know one of Devnagari or Urdu script & commucate with each other on not fluent in writing in the script
Where the vocabulary concerns are
both words ( sanskrit Persian or simply say Hindi Urdu ex Aman-shanti)
آپ سمجھ گئے ہوگن میں کیا کہنا چاہا رہا ہوں
आप समझ गये होंगे मैं क्या कहना चाह रहा हूँ ।
3 for same 3 words are in uses
Like Hindi Jalavayu ( जलवायु )
Hava pani ( Hindi Urdu ہوا پانی हवा पानी )
आवोहवा aavohava اآوہوا
We can’t divide the speakers as first or second Hindi language of 150 crores or 1500 millions worldwide
جناب کچھ تو خیال کیجئے
महोदय कुछ तो सम्मान कीजिए स्वभाषा का ।
Hindi was real language for the region, but when people embraced Islam they wanted a change in script and adopted Persian and impregnated the language with much of Persian/ Arabic words! Hindu/ muslin divide is clear in language! Hindi for Hindu Urdu for Muslim!
You are wrong. Infact hindi was created by fundamentalist hindus.
@@extraorchidinary6347
Only modern Hindi, and that too for nationalist reasons for independence movement against British.
Not to fight Muslims. But you are fools, you think whole world is conspiring against Islam day and night.
@@extraorchidinary6347...
Hindi is HinduSthan and Urdu is Pakistan...
Hindi is Hindu and Urdu is Muslim..
Urdu and Hindi descended from Khari Boli which wasn’t a written language nor was it Sanskritised like Braj and Awadhi. The first evolution into a literary language it encountered was with Persian in the 12th and 13th centuries. Sanskrit was added much later around the late 19th and 20th century.
@@Abdullah-uv9nk
True, 100%.
But don't forget that there was no printing press or books or newspapers at that time.
Hindi/Urdu split is because of printing issue mainly, some idiots have made this stupid thing also Hindu-Muslim.
Urdu system thematically Curbed by the Erstwhile British thru Architecture of Education & Judiciary of British India by Macaulay.. & patronizing Hindi Pakistan failed to promote its Most common ly spoken Language Urdu by it's own incapacity and incapable Brown Bureaucracy strong ly influenced by the Inherited Official language of British India..
No matter what Urdu is something thatcis gaining prominence as new generation speaks it more than the old one. If you want to bring poonjabi you must break pakistan. As sindhis and baloch and pathans have their own language. Once pakistan is broken poonjabis will lose power because they have power as they exploit other provinces. Punjab had only two things one wheat the other army or police. Wheat is gone and army and police is exposed. Now poonjabis and their language has lost its charm.
Your thoughts have a deep rooted prejudice and bias if not hate against Urdu! Why? This is understandable because UP and Urdu always irritating to you due to the highest delicacy aesthetics and expressive quality of Urdu language which successfully replaced Persian so much so that Mughal kings had Urdu as their mother tongue like Bahadur Shah zafar! Now punjabi doesn't have or for that matter anyother language too doesn't have the lyrical melodious vocabulary that Urdu possesses and for this quality and easy to be understood by the masses became the lingua franca of the entire subcontinent which is an undeniable fact indian cenima is the perfect example where Bombay made Urdu films were and are an instant hit right from Peshawar to Trivandrum! I'm fail to understand Why the name of Urdu always irritates non Urdu speakings whether hindu or Muslim both dislike the language name as Urdu! This nothing but a mental ailment which stops people from appriciating the language with its regular name despite being entertained by its art culture music drama poetry literature and cenima! This language brought and still brings fame and fortune for its non speakers like dalip kumar Rafi Gulzar Faiz and faraz gulzar dharmindra and Gulzar etc! My request to the people of subcontinent that please be large hearted large minded and pay recognition where it comes to do!
Maybe you should be a large hearted large minded person. Many non hindi/urdu people are specking Hindi/urdu but people of UP aren’t doing the same thing at least respect others but you aren’t. You guys came from other areas as refugees and threatening them to give up Their precious things !! They are already speaking ur language following ur culture what more u want ?
And do u understand what is emposition? What consequences it have ? A language means knowledge, culture, emotion, thoughts basically it is life of a one region. Non Hindi/Urdu specking people of the subcontinent are enjoying Hindi/Urdu cinemas songs by Their own will no one is forcing them but when you impose your language on others thay became angry because this is related to their pride. No matter how many times they enjoy Hindi/urdu Song cinemas dramas they will never give up their identity which is Their language. Respect other language other culture if you want to be treated same way. Bengali, punjabi, Hindi Urdu all are beautiful in Their own way.
Urdu is foreign language and not Indian language..
This is answer against your all silly and slave Mughal invader mindset questions..
@@BraminWarriorUrdu is a Pakistani language
The Holy Quran statement iis that An Arabic language is the mother tounge of all the languages .If we experiment in the age of Suleeman The Arabic words used in thier letter written for queen saba Bismilla and asslamoalikum other more words .and Ibrahimas also ewarded by the Allah Allmight many kalimat of Arabic educated by the Allah Because the Arabic language was from the Adahem as after time to time passing languages changed in erea wise in the different tribes The Holy Quran revealed in Arabic because his Rasool Mohammad saw was belonged to Arab and languege was also Arabic So the my prophet beloved can easily understand my Masseges to the nation Arabs and all the world .The Heebrou languge was the Moses as for its the heebrou was prevealed in Tourat and Bibale Who was the fore father of Heebrou .
Duffer
Why?
@@mohsinafzaal7159He does not give credit to Nehru and Congress for not imposing one language, one unit, one religion and respecting diversity and hence achieving a stable state with "unity in diversity". You can't respect "scholars" who are eager to point out flaws of current Modi govt or Pakistani state but do not give credit where it is due and thereby exposing their bias. He also does not criticize Jinnah for deepening the Hindu-Muslim divide, not does he criticize the Muslim elites for abandoning the poor muslims back in India, Coz he himself is an elite of Rae Bareilly.
Another opinion of adoo (peach in English)
Very interesting! Pakistani intellectuals comment about issues in India, have absolutely no knowledge of. Mr. Tariq Rahman is like every Pakistani intellectual in this regard.
Urdu is a regional dialect of hindi.
Urdu is foreign language like English
McCaulay didnt impose ENGLISH, what a joke!
This guy is a PhD, what a JOKE!