When you mention weight on the outer pedal and describe how you can skate like that if it loses traction. That makes SO much sense and I'm excited to start pushing that lean farther!
Love this series. I think mastering cornering is most important skill of all. I see cornering as being very similar to skiing turns - apply force to maintain traction then lifting off down force ready for next turn etc. For me main concern is how far you can lean and maintain traction due to surface but prob just a matter of getting good at reading the situation and confidence in tyre grip
I love the drill, leaning is counterintuitive, especially when letting the bike lean under while the hips stay above the BB. Whenever I exaggerate this motion at the trailhead, other riders look at me like I'm crazy. Your line choice principles are priceless, I hope this jewel of a demonstration gets through to the average rider. I follow too many otherwise fast riders who don't understand the dynamics you show. Thanks
Best video I have found on how to corner! Can't wait to get my new bike out on the local car park with a few cones and start practising before I head up the mountain when the snow melts.
A WORLD OF GRIP ON MY FRONT TIRE! I agree with 100% of what is talked about in this video. The only thing I didn't hear it talk about is keeping your weight on the upper or outside grip on your handle bars and not on the lower or inside handle bar grip! Once I learned this one fact it meant A WORLD OF GRIP ON MY FRONT TIRE!!!!
Yeah I think it's important to mention that you should feel more pressure through the higher handlebar for the most grip. Also, that's how you know your weight is centered properly and you have good bike body separation.
Really liked this one. Felt like I learned something. It’s very similar to what an instructor at Christchurch recently told me. Except he said to keep pedals flat in a berm. Drop them in flat corners. He said “BATH or you’ll wash” B body position neutral. A angulate, tilt the bike. T turn the body. H I think it was hands weight the outside hand slightly more than the inside.
So great to hear! I like this BATH analogy, might have to hijack it ;) . As far as flat pedals in a berm, I think it's situationally dependent. Some yes, some no... at least for me.
All the mtb riders need to sub to this channel, I've been riding mtb just over 6months and im at my 40s now, I've watched many channels to learn basic skills, this is by far the best, clear instructions super easy to understand, wish i found your channel earlier. Thanks Rich
yesterday in my livingroom in quarantine: Hey, I would love to see a Video about Turns. - 12 hrs later, you deliver. Thank you very much for reading my thougts!
Rich Drew How to Endo Turns maybe? :D I really enjoyed the Video and when I am allowed to be on the Trails again I will be a lot more confident in the corners! :)
This is one of the best tutorial on cornering I've watched so far, can't wait to try and practice on those details that this video clarified to me. Ciao from Italy!
I really liked how you described loading the bike by dropping your hips! A straight outside leg is a weak outside leg and is unable to make power. Another awesome how to video Rich!
This is a great series! Thank you! I was watching a video from Ben Cathro, "How to drop like a World Cup racer", the one's that were doing it well we're doing it exactly liked you explained. You definitely know what you are talking about. Keep it up!!
Thanks so much for this video. I learnt how to ride a bike all by myself in three days. Watch this video. Now I can turn with just a day practice after watching this video
Top notch breakdown and instruction. You have a way of explaining things that resonates with me way more than any others I've seen. Would love to see TRS come to NC sometime!
What a great content again! I struggled quite a bit with wheelie, then I watch your video and I was able to improve right away. Then I checked the videos how to jump and how to drop and again I have made improvement instantly. You just explain stuff very clearly and it’s very easy to follow the particular steps. Keep it up!
Rich, I love The Ride Series! You always have a different perspective on skills I never thought of. Carson's soooo lucky to live in the MTB capital of the Mid West! Since I've always struggled with this "simple" skill I devoted time and a video to it. As an amateur I'd love to hear your analysis of my attempt to explain this skill. I won't post a link because that's not cool. Good luck, keep riding and be safe👊
Thanks Trail Breaker! It really is an amazing place to live and ride. This community is really awesome and keeps getting better by the day. I'd love to analyze your video. If you click on the Patreon link below, you can choose the option that includes it. Looking forward to seeing it!
Turning is so important to get those awesome PR times or winning the next race. Thanks, great one! I feel like I am fighting my turns so I will give this a go.
Loved the video. Had heard about body/bike separation before but never with the level of discussion you explained it with. Makes so much sense now. Also, I absolutely loved the tip on weighting the outside pedal/bike at the apex of the turn to get the most bite in the turn. I plan to try this and consciously think about it next time I ride.
@@richdrewtherideseries So had a few rides since watching this. When I remembered to try it, I realized it wasn't as easy on the trail as it seemed in the parking lot video. First, I too often am riding in the saddle and clearly you can't weight the bike if your weight is already on the saddle. so I would have to drop the seat. I need to get in better shape to ride out of the saddle more. Second, difficult because the curves and the traction in the curves aren't always even. So picking that point where I need to weight the bike the most is tough. Another thing I learned when concentrating on turn techniques a little bit is that I sometimes am actually leaning back behind the seat a little when I am coming into a hot turn. In that position, I learned it's easier for my front wheel to wash out b/c I am not weighting it very much. All i can figure is I have a little fear and I must have conditioned myself to move my weight back over the bike when I'm concerned about a possible crash. Not good but at least I'm aware I am doing it so I can try to stop. I just hate going OTB so I guess that's my first reaction...get back and don't go OTB. so yeah, it's much harder to do on the trail than in a parking lot at slow speed on a smooth arc turn. On the positive, I did this really well one time coming down a downhill section and hitting a berm at speed. I laid the bike over and kept my weight balanced and the bike drifted a bit up the berm under me until it caught and hooked up. It was the coolest feeling as my weight was balanced over it as it slid under me so i wasn't losing balance. when I came out of that turn I was like "YES!!" Thanks man. fun learning stuff and improving skills.
@@richdrewtherideseries Keep those vids coming! I'm heading to Pisgah (1st x) this weekend so I'll be working on the skills I've watched on your vids. Thx u!
Nice!! Great idea showing someone going through the steps. I was very interested to see if you were going to teach the "outside foot dropped" technique, or the "pedals level with the ground" technique. A lot of people confuse "level with the ground" with "level pedals," and I think that can cause a lot of confusion, because they're not the same thing. Level to the ground insinuates dropping the outside pedal to match the lean of the bike in relation to the ground. Steep berm...feet stay level. Flatter berm...outside foot drops a little. Flat corner, outside foot drops almost all the way down. That's how I understood it. BUT....to me, when you go outside pedal dropped, it inherently lowers your center of gravity, right? To me, that's what you want, so you can lean the bike over further, and be able to push through the bike like you were showing at the end when you were "loading" into the bike. It seems WAY harder to execute that move without dropping that pedal down and really standing on it. I messed around with the "level to the ground" method that is supposed to help with fast corners in succession, and also create less body position changes overall to supposedly be better prepared for what's next. I just flat out couldn't corner anywhere nearly as well. I know some guys do it that are ridiculously fast, so it works for some people, but maybe it's just a habit that's too ingrained for me. I was not only slower, but I thought I might die!
Haha, it's a bit of a hot topic. There are some people teaching flat pedals always. I looked inward and asked myself "What the heck do I do AND what do the fastest riders in the world do?" They ALL drop that outside pedal. As far as berms go, I still use the outside up technique most of the time. As you said, it comes back to positioning and getting the CofG as low as possible. Also, I'm glad you didn't die! ;)
@@richdrewtherideseries The World Cup DH racers don't drop their outside foot to 6 o'clock that often. Watch Minnaar's win at Lenzerheide in 2017 and you can see close ups of his foot work. He and most racers drop the outside pedal to 6 o'clock in a few situations: when the rear wheel is sliding, the rider anticipates the rear wheel is about to slide, and flat sweepers (one of the least common corners in DH). Where it's most common is on tight turns where they're stuffing the rear into the corner with a bit of a slide/drift. Obviously they'll drop a foot if they're pedaling out of a corner or take a foot off (only way it's possible). Typically though they drop their outside foot only as much as they have to. Riding DH with your weight on one foot makes it harder to control in the bike in rough corners and is inefficient (similar to squatting in big berms). Most people aren't racing DH or EWS races, so I think for the average rider the outside foot down technique probably is fine, but watch any footage of UCI DH racers and you'll see foot down is not their default position.
@@JD-dw3jp agree, though watching Minaar in 2017, the corners were mostly open and not that tight. I think this video ruclips.net/video/khg-yFJgQQE/видео.html counters a few of the things in Rich Drew's video here, though both are valuable and help with learning and experimenting.
Richard Pithouse I just watched that one and here’s my take: Imagine you’re making a left hand turn and your left foot is forward. Now you start to get loose and have to take inside foot off the pedal, what happens to the right foot? It drops violently to the down position. The other issue I have is that the flat pedal orientation doesn’t allow you to lean the bike as much and keep your weight over the bottom bracket. To each their own at the end of the day though. I appreciate the input 👊🏻
Hey Rich! Another great video of yours. Learning a lot with your super detailed explanations. You are a great communicator. Best Regards from Madrid, Spain!,
Thank you Tato! Being labeled a great communicator is something that I strive for! There's quite a bit involved in coaching bike skills and there are many riders who are amazingly talented but cannot convey the "why" behind their technique. I hope you're doing well there in Madrid, I know Spain has been hit hard by Covid. Such a beautiful city that I hope to visit one day.
This was a very informative video, Rich! I could never figure out why my front tire always washed out from under me-I was putting too much input into the bars and not leaning enough. Can’t wait to practice what your preaching. Thanks!
HEY MAX!! So pumped you liked the video. Let me know how it goes when you get back out there. It's certainly worth setting up some bottles in front of the house and doing some slow speed passes in the street.
Great stuff, Rich. Personally, my favorite part of this process is the loading portion. That's when turns get really playful feeling... I'd love to see something about tough turns-- think flat/off-camber tightening radius combined with low traction.
Great video ! I will definitely share to my team. I also coach snowboard cross and the tips you had for entering a corner early is something that we practice, especially on turns that are offset.
Nice vid, I agree with the outside foot down technique, I have been coached both ways but recently a top 20 EWS rider explained foot-down in a similar way so I've been doing that for a vast majority of corners for the last season. Sometimes level pedals are called for though... :) The other things I would also emphasize from that coaching is outside elbow up and look through the turn to establish proper body position. So much is counter-intuitive as far as bike handling, so a vast majority of riders have major flaws in basic technique that handicap their riding... so I always recommend coaching those learning. It's a valuable service more should take advantage of.
David Cahoon GREAT input David!! Elbow position is certainly critical and something that we focus on in The Ride Series Clinics. I was getting VERY long winded on this one and I was trying to keep it as simple as I could. I wish more people shred your sentiment in regards to coaching, it’s a tough thing for some people to realize.
@@richdrewtherideseries Perth, West Oz, (Sam Hills Home Town) Which is mainly a big dry desert with some great riding in the South West, We have plenty of Pea Gravel (loose over hard) which is a bit tricky to learn in but helps to develop your cornering skills as it is not very forgiving when you try to steer with your front wheel.....
Interesting about the feet positions. I used to do it the way you recommend. About a year ago a friend, who is a much better bike handler than me, suggested I keep my feet level through the turns. I have been doing that but recently switched back to RD's method. This happened by accident as now I am riding much steeper, tighter switchbacks and I noticed I had changed with out even being conscious of it. But it does feel better.
Hey David! Look at the foot position of EVERY high level rider (Richie Rude, Aaron Gwin, Nino Schurter, etc,) and you'll notice they are all inside up. You can also look at it this way: If you come through a left hand turn with level pedals, each pedal is weighted. Now, what if you start to lose traction? You're going to have to remove your left foot, which is going to be difficult because it's weighted. Once you remove it, what's gonna happen??? You guessed it, the right pedal is going to drop!! Why not just start with it there in the first place? ;)
Brilliant stuff! Well made for visuals. One thing I did notice was no mention for how the bars would feel, ie. weight distribution/pressure from the arms into bar placement. Do you have a video for that? I feel it is worth the mention letting folks know the weight is over the bracket but pressure still is necessary for bar control(or in your "master's" terms) and what it may feel like.
keith code and i couldn’t disagree more with you about early apex! every beginner’s / fearful rider’s tendency is to tip in too early then stand it up mid corner and end up way off line / grabbing brakes. mastering a precise turn in, and late apexing puts you in control, and on the faster line, especially on trails, where the late apex allows you to see far more of where you’re going when you set your line. love your videos and strong opinions rich drew! fun coaching style is motivating. 🤘🤙😎
Haha! Turning a sport bike is way different than turning a bicycle. I agree that newer riders have that tendency, but I don't feel it's an indictment on the technique described. Also, Keith is a LEGEND!!
4:50 SO i NEED TO STAND PRACTICALY on one foot? is that you are saying? I do practice on grass, will it work too? I don´t whant to fall on concrette. I could listen to you all day long
Physics would argue that not counter steering is not always the best technique. The faster the flat corner is, the more susceptible the bike and rider become to lateral forces. In fact the best way to turn anything on two wheels is a combination of body lean with just a bit of counter steering. (btw, if you review your tight turning in slow-mo you can see that you are turning the bars it's just a byproduct of having the weight toward the front. Counter steering can be and usually is subtle but it is without a doubt a contributor) On the mountain bike, being that it is a push bike doesn't require much countersteering at all. As does a road bike but just maybe a bit more pressure on the bars, but nothing like you need on a motorcycle. It's a technique that can make cornering very efficient but not easily learned. For slower to medium speed corners, leaning the bike is the best technique. In decreasing radius corners countersteering will become more dependent. So let's not discount countersteering altogether, it does have its place. 👍
I think the point is that you don't provide the bar turning input... you lean the bike and the bar wheel articulation is a follow on effect. Similar to the difference between road racing and dirt bike.
Nicely done, Rich! Your way of explaining stuff makes everything look so simple and easy to follow. BTW, whats the name of the intro song? Very catchy beat!
As you make clear you turn by leaning your bike.. but applying all your weight to the outside pedal actually forces the bike to stand up. So to counter that are you apply a downward/inward force to the bars?
Hey Craig! I’ve never felt like the bike was gonna stand up on me. I’ve also never gone through a turn where my hands weren’t on the bars, that means there is always weight there.
As someone that didn’t learn to ride with droppers I always find it a struggle to get the saddle dropped prior to some turns. Seems to create more issues than it solves sometimes. Any advice?
That's a common theme with people that have ridden with a fixed post for many years. My best advice is to head out and just practice using it over and over and over. It'll take a bit of time, but will become second nature at some point.
Hey there! I did, it's from Foes Off Road. 2.5 inches basically. The tires are 245/45/17 Falken Wild Peaks. I chose to stay on the smaller side and not have to make a bunch of mods to deal with the rubbing.
I was getting squirrelly going downhill taking corners today on some loose rocks. I was not leaning and just turning, if I lean Rich would that help? I really think this is gonna help me.
Hey there! I believe leaning would help in this situation. However, you need to be VERY subtle with your inputs in instances like this. Loose over hard surfaces can be very tricky and getting the bike leaned is unnerving. The good news is that if you're on top of the bike and you lose traction, you can just ride it out. Re watch around 5:15
Rich, great video especially with Carson! Wanted to ask your thoughts on that fact that you swtch your feet on Slalom turn so that you are essentially back pedaling while Carson keeps left foot forward on both turns, as most beginners do. Curious if you find yourself swtching more on flow while keeping same foot forward on tech? 🤔.
Hey Peter! I certainly think braking would be helpful in this situation to potentially keep you from crashing. You could also do something called "trail braking'" and that might help you keep you from having a massive shift of weight.
Pedals switch and hips should follow by shifting to the opposite side of the saddle above the bottom bracket (turning left hips off the right side)! Don't be afraid to lean the bike!!!
Hey there!! There certainly are, but they are fairly few and far between for me. I'd say a high speed, large bermed turn is where level would be the most applicable.
Hey Torrey! Thanks for the question! That's a tough question to answer. It depends on a few factors: 1) rider weight 2) rim width 3) how aggressive they ride. Id say that a 170 lb rider, 27-30mm wide rims, and a fairly aggressive rider, 24 front and 28 rear. Adding in Cushcore would significantly lower that number, more like 19f and 24r. Hope that helps
Rich Drew wow thanks for reply! Should have mentioned rider weight 245lbs fully loaded, running tubeless 27” rims, beginner rider, not too aggressive yet. Thanks!!😎
Does it really matter how high my seat is? I got a bit confused because i need to be out of my seat for the turns right so i shouldnt matter how hifh my seat is due to comfort i ride with it being somewhat high
Hey Simon! There's going to be a balance here. You'll need enough on the inside to get the bike leaned over, but you'll also need to have enough on the outside hand to keep things balanced. Another key to think about is holding yourself up with your core. Don't rely so much on weight on the bars, think about it emanating from the hips/center of mass and moving outward.
This bike was really easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
Excelente explanation! Great videos by the way! I have only one doubt, if you have a XC bike, obviously without a droper post, and with the seat at the riding position, the technic should be a little bit different because you cannot go as low with you center of gravity. Is it possible in that case to be as efficient? Keep up the good work. Best Regards, Pedro
Thanks Pedro! Great point and it makes me wish I would've done it with my seat up. My advice is to keep everything the same, you'll just have to let the seat travel in between your thighs. It certainly makes it more difficult and also less efficient in my opinion.
I notice that since getting a dropper I naturally started dropping it for aggressive cornering... and stopped washing out my front tire all the damn time. Very moto, very different from the "XC bicycle style" of yore that I am used to. Not alien to me thank goodness but definitely much more "in" the bike and balanced vs being over the front wheel or heavy on the front
Rich Drew has a different approach than others when it comes to turning. Everyone else says to drop the outside foot, but Rich knows better..... You need to lift that inside pedal up. Also if you're wearing flat pedals that's why you can't turn correctly cause you can't lift the pedal with flats.
I love it! I do think there are a few different ways to approach the majority of these techniques. I come back to three things: 1) What do I do as a fairly high level rider 2) What does gravity dictate 3) What are the physics of the situation.
.."leaning a bike" comprises a very unfamiliar set of movements, and it needs much more didactics and special pre-exercises to get there. telling your client "hey, lean your bike!".. is sure not enough..
Drop a comment to let me know how the technique in this video helped YOU!! Best one gets an RD shirt!
Ride Like A Pro MTB style!! Really appreciate these ride tips brother!
When you mention weight on the outer pedal and describe how you can skate like that if it loses traction. That makes SO much sense and I'm excited to start pushing that lean farther!
Heck yeah dude!! Let me know how it goes
Love this series. I think mastering cornering is most important skill of all. I see cornering as being very similar to skiing turns - apply force to maintain traction then lifting off down force ready for next turn etc. For me main concern is how far you can lean and maintain traction due to surface but prob just a matter of getting good at reading the situation and confidence in tyre grip
I love the drill, leaning is counterintuitive, especially when letting the bike lean under while the hips stay above the BB.
Whenever I exaggerate this motion at the trailhead, other riders look at me like I'm crazy. Your line choice principles are priceless, I hope this jewel of a demonstration gets through to the average rider. I follow too many otherwise fast riders who don't understand the dynamics you show.
Thanks
Absolutely! I get those same looks!
Best video I have found on how to corner!
Can't wait to get my new bike out on the local car park with a few cones and start practising before I head up the mountain when the snow melts.
Heck yeah Roger!! Love hearing this man! Have fun and let me know how it goes.
Carson's progression throughout the video was awesome to see!
I agree, he was crushing it! Might see him a bit more moving forward ;)
Being "coachable" is a tremendous life skill (imo). Good on Carson!
A WORLD OF GRIP ON MY FRONT TIRE!
I agree with 100% of what is talked about in this video. The only thing I didn't hear it talk about is keeping your weight on the upper or outside grip on your handle bars and not on the lower or inside handle bar grip! Once I learned this one fact it meant A WORLD OF GRIP ON MY FRONT TIRE!!!!
Yeah I think it's important to mention that you should feel more pressure through the higher handlebar for the most grip. Also, that's how you know your weight is centered properly and you have good bike body separation.
Really liked this one. Felt like I learned something. It’s very similar to what an instructor at Christchurch recently told me. Except he said to keep pedals flat in a berm. Drop them in flat corners. He said “BATH or you’ll wash” B body position neutral. A angulate, tilt the bike. T turn the body. H I think it was hands weight the outside hand slightly more than the inside.
So great to hear! I like this BATH analogy, might have to hijack it ;) . As far as flat pedals in a berm, I think it's situationally dependent. Some yes, some no... at least for me.
Great Job Rich! Keep up all of the awesome work man!!! Cant wait to ride with you again!
Thanks Kyle! I'm itching for this pandemic to end so we can get that OZ Trails game of BIKE going!! It'll happen soon enough my man!
All the mtb riders need to sub to this channel, I've been riding mtb just over 6months and im at my 40s now, I've watched many channels to learn basic skills, this is by far the best, clear instructions super easy to understand, wish i found your channel earlier. Thanks Rich
bocap1980 Thank you!! It’s really cool to hear this sort of feedback. I’m excited to be a part of your MTB journey!
yesterday in my livingroom in quarantine: Hey, I would love to see a Video about Turns. - 12 hrs later, you deliver. Thank you very much for reading my thougts!
Haha, that's awesome Pata! What are your thoughts saying for the next video?
Rich Drew How to Endo Turns maybe? :D I really enjoyed the Video and when I am allowed to be on the Trails again I will be a lot more confident in the corners! :)
These Ride Series videos are absolutely invaluable. If I lived in the US I would definitely be hitting up these clinics. Cheers from Australia
Thanks Battle Pug! Might be time for a trip to Bentonville!
Good stuff man , Thanks for taking the time to post this .
You know it! Thanks for watching! 👊🏼
Getting ready to film some more very soon, stay tuned!
top notch quality content. explained extremely well in a logic and comprehensive way.... EVERY TIME! thumbs up!!
Thank you Aaron! I appreciate that!
This is one of the best tutorial on cornering I've watched so far, can't wait to try and practice on those details that this video clarified to me. Ciao from Italy!
Aldo C. Thanks for the feedback Aldo!! Greetings from Bentonville!!
I really liked how you described loading the bike by dropping your hips! A straight outside leg is a weak outside leg and is unable to make power. Another awesome how to video Rich!
Thanks Iron Ore! I love this type fo feedback!
This is a great series! Thank you! I was watching a video from Ben Cathro, "How to drop like a World Cup racer", the one's that were doing it well we're doing it exactly liked you explained. You definitely know what you are talking about. Keep it up!!
Thank you for the feedback, I love hearing it!! It's funny how the best riders in the world rely on physics and gravity.
Thanks so much for this video. I learnt how to ride a bike all by myself in three days. Watch this video. Now I can turn with just a day practice after watching this video
Top notch breakdown and instruction. You have a way of explaining things that resonates with me way more than any others I've seen. Would love to see TRS come to NC sometime!
Thank you Roya! I love to hear that feedback. Hoping to come to NC at some point soon! Spread the word and see how much interest there is.
What a great content again! I struggled quite a bit with wheelie, then I watch your video and I was able to improve right away. Then I checked the videos how to jump and how to drop and again I have made improvement instantly. You just explain stuff very clearly and it’s very easy to follow the particular steps. Keep it up!
Rich, I love The Ride Series! You always have a different perspective on skills I never thought of. Carson's soooo lucky to live in the MTB capital of the Mid West! Since I've always struggled with this "simple" skill I devoted time and a video to it. As an amateur I'd love to hear your analysis of my attempt to explain this skill. I won't post a link because that's not cool. Good luck, keep riding and be safe👊
Thanks Trail Breaker! It really is an amazing place to live and ride. This community is really awesome and keeps getting better by the day.
I'd love to analyze your video. If you click on the Patreon link below, you can choose the option that includes it. Looking forward to seeing it!
Turning is so important to get those awesome PR times or winning the next race. Thanks, great one! I feel like I am fighting my turns so I will give this a go.
Indeed it is! Let me know how it goes
Loved the video. Had heard about body/bike separation before but never with the level of discussion you explained it with. Makes so much sense now. Also, I absolutely loved the tip on weighting the outside pedal/bike at the apex of the turn to get the most bite in the turn. I plan to try this and consciously think about it next time I ride.
Great feedback Jeff, thank you! Let me know how it works out for you.
@@richdrewtherideseries So had a few rides since watching this. When I remembered to try it, I realized it wasn't as easy on the trail as it seemed in the parking lot video. First, I too often am riding in the saddle and clearly you can't weight the bike if your weight is already on the saddle. so I would have to drop the seat. I need to get in better shape to ride out of the saddle more. Second, difficult because the curves and the traction in the curves aren't always even. So picking that point where I need to weight the bike the most is tough. Another thing I learned when concentrating on turn techniques a little bit is that I sometimes am actually leaning back behind the seat a little when I am coming into a hot turn. In that position, I learned it's easier for my front wheel to wash out b/c I am not weighting it very much. All i can figure is I have a little fear and I must have conditioned myself to move my weight back over the bike when I'm concerned about a possible crash. Not good but at least I'm aware I am doing it so I can try to stop. I just hate going OTB so I guess that's my first reaction...get back and don't go OTB. so yeah, it's much harder to do on the trail than in a parking lot at slow speed on a smooth arc turn. On the positive, I did this really well one time coming down a downhill section and hitting a berm at speed. I laid the bike over and kept my weight balanced and the bike drifted a bit up the berm under me until it caught and hooked up. It was the coolest feeling as my weight was balanced over it as it slid under me so i wasn't losing balance. when I came out of that turn I was like "YES!!" Thanks man. fun learning stuff and improving skills.
Another brilliant video. You are doing it very well.
Thank you so much!!
Nice video. Ordered my cones gonna practice during the week. Thanks Rich!
That’s awesome Alexis!
@@richdrewtherideseries Keep those vids coming! I'm heading to Pisgah (1st x) this weekend so I'll be working on the skills I've watched on your vids. Thx u!
great choice of music and slow mo scenes! engaging tutorial!
Love the very detailed instructions.
Thanks for the video I really sucks at cornering but watching your video I now know which part I’m lacking at body positions
You're very welcome! Glad I could help.
Cheers mate, really helped me cornering. Good stuff
Stoked to hear it helped Howie! Cheers!!
Rich U have got best video's and advice on youtube. Cheers.
Nice!! Great idea showing someone going through the steps. I was very interested to see if you were going to teach the "outside foot dropped" technique, or the "pedals level with the ground" technique. A lot of people confuse "level with the ground" with "level pedals," and I think that can cause a lot of confusion, because they're not the same thing. Level to the ground insinuates dropping the outside pedal to match the lean of the bike in relation to the ground. Steep berm...feet stay level. Flatter berm...outside foot drops a little. Flat corner, outside foot drops almost all the way down. That's how I understood it.
BUT....to me, when you go outside pedal dropped, it inherently lowers your center of gravity, right? To me, that's what you want, so you can lean the bike over further, and be able to push through the bike like you were showing at the end when you were "loading" into the bike. It seems WAY harder to execute that move without dropping that pedal down and really standing on it.
I messed around with the "level to the ground" method that is supposed to help with fast corners in succession, and also create less body position changes overall to supposedly be better prepared for what's next. I just flat out couldn't corner anywhere nearly as well. I know some guys do it that are ridiculously fast, so it works for some people, but maybe it's just a habit that's too ingrained for me. I was not only slower, but I thought I might die!
Haha, it's a bit of a hot topic. There are some people teaching flat pedals always. I looked inward and asked myself "What the heck do I do AND what do the fastest riders in the world do?" They ALL drop that outside pedal.
As far as berms go, I still use the outside up technique most of the time. As you said, it comes back to positioning and getting the CofG as low as possible. Also, I'm glad you didn't die! ;)
@@richdrewtherideseries The World Cup DH racers don't drop their outside foot to 6 o'clock that often. Watch Minnaar's win at Lenzerheide in 2017 and you can see close ups of his foot work. He and most racers drop the outside pedal to 6 o'clock in a few situations: when the rear wheel is sliding, the rider anticipates the rear wheel is about to slide, and flat sweepers (one of the least common corners in DH). Where it's most common is on tight turns where they're stuffing the rear into the corner with a bit of a slide/drift. Obviously they'll drop a foot if they're pedaling out of a corner or take a foot off (only way it's possible). Typically though they drop their outside foot only as much as they have to. Riding DH with your weight on one foot makes it harder to control in the bike in rough corners and is inefficient (similar to squatting in big berms). Most people aren't racing DH or EWS races, so I think for the average rider the outside foot down technique probably is fine, but watch any footage of UCI DH racers and you'll see foot down is not their default position.
@@JD-dw3jp agree, though watching Minaar in 2017, the corners were mostly open and not that tight. I think this video ruclips.net/video/khg-yFJgQQE/видео.html counters a few of the things in Rich Drew's video here, though both are valuable and help with learning and experimenting.
Richard Pithouse I just watched that one and here’s my take: Imagine you’re making a left hand turn and your left foot is forward. Now you start to get loose and have to take inside foot off the pedal, what happens to the right foot? It drops violently to the down position. The other issue I have is that the flat pedal orientation doesn’t allow you to lean the bike as much and keep your weight over the bottom bracket. To each their own at the end of the day though. I appreciate the input 👊🏻
Around here in NWA nailing the turns helps you keep speed for the jumps! Good tips!
So true!!
Hey Rich! Another great video of yours. Learning a lot with your super detailed explanations. You are a great communicator. Best Regards from Madrid, Spain!,
Thank you Tato! Being labeled a great communicator is something that I strive for! There's quite a bit involved in coaching bike skills and there are many riders who are amazingly talented but cannot convey the "why" behind their technique.
I hope you're doing well there in Madrid, I know Spain has been hit hard by Covid. Such a beautiful city that I hope to visit one day.
Carson was really starting to lean by the end! Awesome.
He's a quick learner Brian. I'm excited to do a jump update with him.
These videos are brilliant!
Daniel Phillips Thanks Daniel!!
This was a very informative video, Rich! I could never figure out why my front tire always washed out from under me-I was putting too much input into the bars and not leaning enough. Can’t wait to practice what your preaching. Thanks!
HEY MAX!! So pumped you liked the video. Let me know how it goes when you get back out there. It's certainly worth setting up some bottles in front of the house and doing some slow speed passes in the street.
Great stuff, Rich. Personally, my favorite part of this process is the loading portion. That's when turns get really playful feeling...
I'd love to see something about tough turns-- think flat/off-camber tightening radius combined with low traction.
Great video ! I will definitely share to my team. I also coach snowboard cross and the tips you had for entering a corner early is something that we practice, especially on turns that are offset.
Heck yeah, that's awesome! Thank you! So many similarities to skiing/boarding and mtb
Thanks! I am now maintaining my coefficient of friction during high speed corners.
An in depth look at MB skills once again, great stuff, big help!
Thanks.
You know it Ozzie Jim! Thanks for the positive feedback!
wow I didnt realize that mountainbiking turning tecnique has so much simillarities with skiing. thanks for all those informative videos
SO MANY parallels to skiing, it's crazy! You are very welcome!
Rich Drew, the Cam Haynes of the mountain bike industry
YES!! Best comment so far! He’s a rad dude and I’m honored by that comparison 👊🏻
Your videos are amazing! thank you so much.
thanks Dylan! I appreciate that man
8:43 i love when you do this on every video you have too show off, sorry for ant bad english bro.
Nice vid, I agree with the outside foot down technique, I have been coached both ways but recently a top 20 EWS rider explained foot-down in a similar way so I've been doing that for a vast majority of corners for the last season. Sometimes level pedals are called for though... :) The other things I would also emphasize from that coaching is outside elbow up and look through the turn to establish proper body position. So much is counter-intuitive as far as bike handling, so a vast majority of riders have major flaws in basic technique that handicap their riding... so I always recommend coaching those learning. It's a valuable service more should take advantage of.
David Cahoon GREAT input David!! Elbow position is certainly critical and something that we focus on in The Ride Series Clinics. I was getting VERY long winded on this one and I was trying to keep it as simple as I could.
I wish more people shred your sentiment in regards to coaching, it’s a tough thing for some people to realize.
Thanks for the Awesome Tutorial Rich, GDay From Straya...
You're very welcome Jarrad! What part of Straya do you ride in? I'd love to get over there soon.
@@richdrewtherideseries Perth, West Oz, (Sam Hills Home Town) Which is mainly a big dry desert with some great riding in the South West, We have plenty of Pea Gravel (loose over hard) which is a bit tricky to learn in but helps to develop your cornering skills as it is not very forgiving when you try to steer with your front wheel.....
That was great you do a good job explaining it all very well
Love your common sense videos Rich.
Thanks Matthew! Just trying to break this stuff down the best I know how.
Thanks Rich great job dude.
I am amazed how cool your channel is, hope you get 1mi subscribers this year.
*Lean it! Lean it!
Me: Drops on the floor
Interesting about the feet positions. I used to do it the way you recommend. About a year ago a friend, who is a much better bike handler than me, suggested I keep my feet level through the turns. I have been doing that but recently switched back to RD's method. This happened by accident as now I am riding much steeper, tighter switchbacks and I noticed I had changed with out even being conscious of it. But it does feel better.
Hey David! Look at the foot position of EVERY high level rider (Richie Rude, Aaron Gwin, Nino Schurter, etc,) and you'll notice they are all inside up. You can also look at it this way: If you come through a left hand turn with level pedals, each pedal is weighted. Now, what if you start to lose traction? You're going to have to remove your left foot, which is going to be difficult because it's weighted. Once you remove it, what's gonna happen??? You guessed it, the right pedal is going to drop!! Why not just start with it there in the first place? ;)
Amazing instructions Rich👌👌just share with my mates
Brilliant stuff! Well made for visuals. One thing I did notice was no mention for how the bars would feel, ie. weight distribution/pressure from the arms into bar placement. Do you have a video for that?
I feel it is worth the mention letting folks know the weight is over the bracket but pressure still is necessary for bar control(or in your "master's" terms) and what it may feel like.
Good stuff like usual stud! Get Carson's bars down to about 710-720 and it'll help him a bunch!
Haha, I know. He literally just picked it up and came over to film this. We're cutting them soon.
@@richdrewtherideseries I figured, you're wicked smaht :) I think Enduro MTB Training needs to be a sponsor of your video endeavors
👍 Many thanks. Very helpful
keith code and i couldn’t disagree more with you about early apex! every beginner’s / fearful rider’s tendency is to tip in too early then stand it up mid corner and end up way off line / grabbing brakes. mastering a precise turn in, and late apexing puts you in control, and on the faster line, especially on trails, where the late apex allows you to see far more of where you’re going when you set your line. love your videos and strong opinions rich drew! fun coaching style is motivating. 🤘🤙😎
Haha! Turning a sport bike is way different than turning a bicycle. I agree that newer riders have that tendency, but I don't feel it's an indictment on the technique described. Also, Keith is a LEGEND!!
Rich Drew maybe i’m just scolding myself for when i tense up and turn in too soon?🤔😳
Great tute
Loved it
Thank you!!
So good!
Thanks Mike!!
At first, there is that fear that my tire would slide and I might fall. But eventually I learned to trust my bike.
Heck yeah!
MX riders say: "jump for show, corner for dough"
Indeed. My bro and I both have a motocross background.
that's a lot of nuance and technical beta for a young boy to dig.
I agree James! I think he might've gotten glossed over about halfway through. He was picking it up well though.
4:50 SO i NEED TO STAND PRACTICALY on one foot? is that you are saying?
I do practice on grass, will it work too? I don´t whant to fall on concrette.
I could listen to you all day long
It's all about the turn
Giff Cutler Couldn’t agree more Giff!!
I love Brett Hart stories too! ;)
Uncle I am from Bangladesh I watch your video you do good stunts
Physics would argue that not counter steering is not always the best technique. The faster the flat corner is, the more susceptible the bike and rider become to lateral forces. In fact the best way to turn anything on two wheels is a combination of body lean with just a bit of counter steering.
(btw, if you review your tight turning in slow-mo you can see that you are turning the bars it's just a byproduct of having the weight toward the front. Counter steering can be and usually is subtle but it is without a doubt a contributor)
On the mountain bike, being that it is a push bike doesn't require much countersteering at all. As does a road bike but just maybe a bit more pressure on the bars, but nothing like you need on a motorcycle. It's a technique that can make cornering very efficient but not easily learned. For slower to medium speed corners, leaning the bike is the best technique. In decreasing radius corners countersteering will become more dependent. So let's not discount countersteering altogether, it does have its place. 👍
I think the point is that you don't provide the bar turning input... you lean the bike and the bar wheel articulation is a follow on effect. Similar to the difference between road racing and dirt bike.
Yea.....thanks bro
You are very welcome!
Please make a video on how to ride a bicycle with one hand for beginners,that will be really helpfull like all others videos in your series
Nicely done, Rich! Your way of explaining stuff makes everything look so simple and easy to follow.
BTW, whats the name of the intro song? Very catchy beat!
As you make clear you turn by leaning your bike.. but applying all your weight to the outside pedal actually forces the bike to stand up. So to counter that are you apply a downward/inward force to the bars?
Hey Craig! I’ve never felt like the bike was gonna stand up on me. I’ve also never gone through a turn where my hands weren’t on the bars, that means there is always weight there.
As someone that didn’t learn to ride with droppers I always find it a struggle to get the saddle dropped prior to some turns. Seems to create more issues than it solves sometimes. Any advice?
That's a common theme with people that have ridden with a fixed post for many years. My best advice is to head out and just practice using it over and over and over. It'll take a bit of time, but will become second nature at some point.
Rich Drew thanks Rich
When is the clinic?
As soon as we can get through this pandemic. Trust me, I need that time to come as soon as possible.
Maybe I could make it to Bentonville and we could do 1 on 1 and just ride.
Snow ⛷...but on a bike!
EXACTLY!!
Did you put a lift on your Ford Transit? Also, what size tires do you have on it?
Hey there! I did, it's from Foes Off Road. 2.5 inches basically. The tires are 245/45/17 Falken Wild Peaks. I chose to stay on the smaller side and not have to make a bunch of mods to deal with the rubbing.
I was getting squirrelly going downhill taking corners today on some loose rocks. I was not leaning and just turning, if I lean Rich would that help? I really think this is gonna help me.
Hey there! I believe leaning would help in this situation. However, you need to be VERY subtle with your inputs in instances like this. Loose over hard surfaces can be very tricky and getting the bike leaned is unnerving. The good news is that if you're on top of the bike and you lose traction, you can just ride it out. Re watch around 5:15
Rich, great video especially with Carson! Wanted to ask your thoughts on that fact that you swtch your feet on Slalom turn so that you are essentially back pedaling while Carson keeps left foot forward on both turns, as most beginners do. Curious if you find yourself swtching more on flow while keeping same foot forward on tech? 🤔.
If u find yourself going to fast in the corner near the apex , is breaking ever helpful or always not advised
Hey Peter! I certainly think braking would be helpful in this situation to potentially keep you from crashing. You could also do something called "trail braking'" and that might help you keep you from having a massive shift of weight.
Pedals switch and hips should follow by shifting to the opposite side of the saddle above the bottom bracket (turning left hips off the right side)! Don't be afraid to lean the bike!!!
But you aren't sitting on the saddle in these examples... you are stepping on the outside pedal.
@@bwoolsey429 I realize that
@@BikeLifewithRob ok- so how do you shift to the opposite side of the saddle then?
Great video. The kid needs more narrow bars though
Is there a time where level footed turns would be appropriate?
Hey there!! There certainly are, but they are fairly few and far between for me. I'd say a high speed, large bermed turn is where level would be the most applicable.
Come to Florida…
Mine would be "jump for show, pump for dough" lol
I might've hijacked that from my brother
Hi, what air pressure is best for riding /cornering on dry , smooth pavement on mtn bike trail tires? Ex: 29” Maxxis Minion 2.3. Thanks!!
Hey Torrey! Thanks for the question! That's a tough question to answer. It depends on a few factors: 1) rider weight 2) rim width 3) how aggressive they ride.
Id say that a 170 lb rider, 27-30mm wide rims, and a fairly aggressive rider, 24 front and 28 rear. Adding in Cushcore would significantly lower that number, more like 19f and 24r. Hope that helps
Rich Drew wow thanks for reply! Should have mentioned rider weight 245lbs fully loaded, running tubeless 27” rims, beginner rider, not too aggressive yet. Thanks!!😎
Hey Rich, does it help to keep your upper body as low as possible when turning?
Heck yeah dude! Lower center of gravity is the desire.
Rich Drew awesome, thank you ✌🏻
My only problem is like the tiny turns, everytime i turn i need a lot of space because my turns are big, so i came here i hope this helps
Does it really matter how high my seat is? I got a bit confused because i need to be out of my seat for the turns right so i shouldnt matter how hifh my seat is due to comfort i ride with it being somewhat high
Weight on the outside hand or the lower inside hand?
Hey Simon! There's going to be a balance here. You'll need enough on the inside to get the bike leaned over, but you'll also need to have enough on the outside hand to keep things balanced. Another key to think about is holding yourself up with your core. Don't rely so much on weight on the bars, think about it emanating from the hips/center of mass and moving outward.
This bike was really easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
Going to practice on my street in 3..2..1.., peace out dumpers.
Haha John! Let me know how it goes.
Excelente explanation! Great videos by the way! I have only one doubt, if you have a XC bike, obviously without a droper post, and with the seat at the riding position, the technic should be a little bit different because you cannot go as low with you center of gravity. Is it possible in that case to be as efficient?
Keep up the good work.
Best Regards,
Pedro
Thanks Pedro! Great point and it makes me wish I would've done it with my seat up. My advice is to keep everything the same, you'll just have to let the seat travel in between your thighs. It certainly makes it more difficult and also less efficient in my opinion.
You know what happens when you're late? You are late 😂
Yewwwww
Heck yeah Jake!
I am scared because I can't even steer more than 30 degree
I notice that since getting a dropper I naturally started dropping it for aggressive cornering... and stopped washing out my front tire all the damn time.
Very moto, very different from the "XC bicycle style" of yore that I am used to.
Not alien to me thank goodness but definitely much more "in" the bike and balanced vs being over the front wheel or heavy on the front
It's such a massive difference, I wish more people would get one.
Carson's bars are bigger than him :)
Exactly what I was thinking. Cut those bars for petes sake.
Haha! I agree! He literally just got the bike and couldn't wait to ride it. We will get him dialed in soon, don't worry!
its hard for me to concentrate on the how to when i dont know what bike that is
Davinci
It's a Devinci Django. 120/140 trail bike and super fun!
Rich Drew thanks a bunch. I’m a bit of a bike nerd if you haven’t noticed
that kid's gonna steal your girl
HAHA!!
Rich Drew has a different approach than others when it comes to turning. Everyone else says to drop the outside foot, but Rich knows better..... You need to lift that inside pedal up. Also if you're wearing flat pedals that's why you can't turn correctly cause you can't lift the pedal with flats.
LōK MTB my nutsack really throws off my turns no matter how hard I lean.
@@ap1reviewsadventures96 Common issue actually ;)
I love it! I do think there are a few different ways to approach the majority of these techniques. I come back to three things: 1) What do I do as a fairly high level rider 2) What does gravity dictate 3) What are the physics of the situation.
LōK MTB haha with jokes🤘😎🤣
@@codenamedav Glad you enjoyed it. I think maybe it went over some people's heads...
.."leaning a bike" comprises a very unfamiliar set of movements, and it needs much more didactics and special pre-exercises to get there. telling your client "hey, lean your bike!".. is sure not enough..
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It doesn’t matter what the pedal do as long as you lean your turn don’t stir…