Ice Cube's Son, O'Shea Jackson BLASTS TOXIC AEW "Miserable Faceless Fans"
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- Опубликовано: 21 фев 2024
- O'Shea Jackson Jr, the son of rapepr Ice Cube blasts the AEW fan base as "miserable faceless fans" on a recent podcast with Chris Van Vliet after a discussion was sparked about wanting AEW to be better, and by introducing characters to AEW Dynamite, and AEW Collision in a way where everyone understands who they are. Clip was taken from Tuesday's episode (2/20/24) of TNT with @JDfromNY, and Andrew Baydala.
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This was such a fun segment to listen to. Keep up the great work JD and Andrew!
You could tell in that interview how much of a real pro wrestling fan O'shea Jackson is and he's not wrong at all if anyone goes to watch that interview you could see how right on the money he is in my opinion.
Oshea is spot on and we know it, but somehow AEW higher ups camt grasp it..💯
They can. You see them making little strides but they need to ramp it up
@@theabyss86 I can agree With that. 💯
@@theabyss86they aren't though. The audience isn't growing
I love AEW and WWE tribalism is stupid
There is good criticism to be made at AEW. It’s just that the good criticism gets buried under the bad faith criticism that people don’t know if AEW is being criticized fairly or just being criticized for the sake of profit.
Who cares. It's equally valid
@@user-xm9ms5dl8d so if i said your favorite team sucks because x,y,z but also said your teams sucks because i said so it also valid?
The whataboutism in these comments is wild.
But expected
Bro people are so sensitive these days.. like you can't have an opinion anymore 😢
I'm offended by your opinion about people getting criticized for offering opinions 😂
It’s damn if you do damn you don’t ass generation smh
@@IAmHeartbreak_Lmao 😂😂😂😂😂
because 80 no faced accounts in twitter will be coming at you.
I get attacked on X by WWE fans as well. All of them do nothing else, but attack people, have their followers attack, and post prevented pictures of women wrestlers. While also complaining about Vince. It's so beyond pathetic.
Sorry you have to deal with that, but that's not a pass just to harass someone either.
@thatblindtekkenwarrior1177 I should have been more specific. It's more of the hardcore female wrestling crowd. More like fans of them for looks more than wrestling. Sorry about that.
I got death threats from AEW fans in my DMs
What 'prevented pictures' of women wrestlers? What are you even talking about?
Prevented photos ? what does that even.
That wasn't criticism, alot of us want to see AEW grow. Not cater to these people who don't get money or women who watch wrestling 24/7
Why stoop to their level? It’s comments like this that get the fanboys hostile
Only way AEW is gonna grow if they cater to there own audience and expand on it. They tried appealing to other fans and it didn’t work.
@@mrcorona5175then maybe your product sucks?
@@RaysTheCupBolts no it does not
Yes it is a criticism. And that's not bad. It was a constructive criticism. There is a difference between criticism and cynicism.
The criticism from the iwc is just pathetic, for example if I say I knew who shinsuke Nakamura is especially from NJPW but I don’t know who hikaru shida what is it a crime😂? That’s like asking a friend do you know who Aaron rodgers is, he’ll say no but I know about Tom Brady
The criticism of AEW every week is a DREAM MATCH.
Cube son is spot on with that break down
Kind wild to say that you don't care about what Styles did in NJPW considering his best shit came from there ( TNA too) and is the reason why WWE became interested in him.
Exactly, they don’t care about how most of these guys even made it to the wwe. If it wasn’t for their past stuff the wwe wouldn’t even look their direction
@@thenipplethiefo2417That’s like saying I don’t care about what Cody or Drew did after wwe. It’s hypocritical af. Their success out of the company made wwe interesting in them again.
JD, Drew or Jesse NOT A SINGLE one of them ever talked about or mentioned what AJ did in NJPW Or TNA. You go to WWE he talks about WWE simple as that.
I mean you can't say it's only one sided. Both companies have toxic fans. Which is why I've hopped off wrestling since October 2023... mainly because of the baseball post-season but the constant toxic fans don't help in enjoying what you enjoy.
That's true I thought of the WWE Fanbase it's just as worse because of the we want Cody thing and then they threaten the Rock daughter's life
@@johnbeal6114do you seriously believe she got credible death threats? Every single celebrity is a "victim" of that these days. It's a deflection tactic at this point.
@@johnbeal6114dude don’t act like aew fans haven’t threatened people for years especially the man you’re listening to right now
@@RaysTheCupBoltsExhibit A
Yeah. Luckily we don't have to engage with the iwc to enjoy wrestling
There it is. A lot of American fans are too spoilt to appreciate the broader wrestling world. While some of the critisism is warranted, we shouldn't be supposed to know everything, but I prefer it when wrestler's prior accomplishments are referenced on the show as opposed to the WWE way, when they typically repackage a wrestler completely.
It totally fine to do that but it shouldn't be the whole basis of their presentation where they are currently.
@@theabyss86 maybe partly it depends on the details if the agreement between 2 promotions. But largely it's because of Tony and how much of a pro-wrestling geek he is.
Exactly. It sounds like to me fans have an issue with this because they are so used to WWE doing things the way they do that they are so ignorant towards another promotion not doing it the WWE way. AEW has had this thing where they will acknowledge other wrestling promotions and aren't going to repackage them and are willing to mention their past. I always liked that instead of pretending that other promotions don't exist
So many legends were repackaged though, and is definitely an option for building a story.
Undertaker, Stone Cold, The Rock, Razor Ramon, ... A lot of legends... Need the right story and creative, because it can lead to Red Rooster, Shock Master, and Bastion Booger
I mean JD, you fell hook, line and sinker for the "We Want Cody" work so I'd probably slow my roll calling others geeks, virgins & whatever else 🤣
"work" 😂
@@callumsullyfitness it was a total work. Never said it was a well done work but it definitely was.
The geeks forgot that when Jinder mahal went on twitter and said “ Who TF is HOOK “ Hell a WWE writer once said that he didn’t know who BOBBY LASHLEY was which was sad😅😂
It's cool to hate on AEW now. Imagine all those years wanting an alternative to WWE just to criticize that promotion for not being more like WWE 🥴🥴
They are not HOT right now. What's not to understand?
@@JDfromNY they not hot right now because HHH and the WWE took they whole style and ran with it. Folks didn’t really want an alternative. They wanted WWE in different colors 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Not the biggest fan of AEW or WWE. It seems to me when guys from NJPW sign to AEW/WWE their wrestling quality drops tremendously. Plus the American fans are a bit insufferable
US people thinkt they are the best and only ones at everything. and hardcore fans, not only in wrestling but music and other are really unsufferable
I think it’s the different styles of wrestling, from what i’ve heard they do things much differently at NJPW. The fans are also different in what they react to, so coming here is usually a big shift.
@@thenipplethiefo2417 yess in japan they are very respectful and silent when they wrestle, but talent is talent and is going to show no matter where they perform. but fans from the US think they have the best of the best at every aspect. and the fans are unsufferable ( english is not my main language sorry if i spell something wrong)
PREACH. That's the real issue. AMerican fans BEGGING for the same presentation they're already saturated by, then blaming companies for not enjoying it anymore. fucking dickheads.
This is my biggest problem with AEW. It’s not friendly to casuals or part time viewers. If you don’t know what’s happening in NJPW, CML, Triple A, etc. then good luck to understanding anything. It’s like when they did storylines on BTE, I don’t have time to watch everything.
Toxin and faceless "Fans" can be found in both Camps.
Honestly I just look at all wrestling fans as toxic until proven otherwise
In all genera's not just wrestling its the culture on social media in general so of you go out theirband voice your opinions be prepared people will have theirs
It’s the IWC incel neckbeard fans whose opinions are useless imo
@@sergiobomr216 but poor people don't like aew guys come on.csuse their numbers in Dokota ain't like their numbers in 🗽 its gotta be the reason it's cause poor or low income people just don't watch aew only rich people do.
Yeah but let's be completely honest here most of the Toxic fans come from AEW
Truth.
This is even more important if the wrestler doesn't speak English fluently. Being able to cut a promo can sell a wrestler, and if their English is limited, you need to provide a way to connect with the audiences outside of promos. Video packages are great for that, and can help explain why people should care.
What people mean by "character", you can bet is basically the WWE presentation of individual wrestlers. That's what they want. i guess is that style but with better wrestling. i for one, don't need that to enjoy aew, thankfully.
The question nobody asks is DO AMERICAN FANS REALLY WANT AN ALTERNATIVE ? They don't seem to.
AEW has kept its core audience, more or less, satisfied since the beginning, and every metric of "criticism" used by the so-called non fans who clearly hate watch weekly, are almost always based off parameters of comparison with what they know/prefer in Wrestling, WHICH IS THE WWE.
You won't get many fans from the golden era of wrestling that watched some of the biggest names around evenly spread between to companies to care about AEW without appealing to nostalgia, even then, thats a very little supporting demographic. Some would only judge AEW as successful if it had prime monday night war nielsen ratings.
NEW fans ? wrestling itself is failing at getting those. So WHO'S really left for AEW to "get" to watch the show ? WWE Fans. EIther disgruntled but still emotionally attached to them because they grew up with it, or the completely enamorated ones that never HAD alternatives, aside from TNA, of all options. The "fair" criticism is never really about REAL issues in AEW, because they don't watch it for what it is : AN ALTERNATIVE. Wrestling is niche, the alternative number 2 company appeals to a SECTION of a niche crowd and people want it to copy the "big dog" to become more popular, KNOWING it won't work that easily. Jesus.
And color me shocke Ice Cube Jr. a FANDOM is TOXIC online ? I really love this make believe world these people live in that WWE Fans are the sane ones with some of the prime examples of toxic tribalism coming from these people EVEN BEFORE AEW was a thing.
Amen! Apparently Lil' Doughboy has never came across WWEGareth, WWEJunkie & any of these other hardcore WWE toxic fanboy accounts who's whole personality is trashing AEW & worshipping at the altar of Stamford, Connecticut lol. Yeah O'Shea, it's the company that is barely 5 years old who's fans have created this toxic environment 👌
Not saying AEW doesn't have toxic social media fans that are just as toxic because they do, but there's plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the toxicity coin.
BRAVO! As an AEW fan you just explained exactly what is going on. WWE is hot and Vince is gone. Others like Punk who apparently wanted out actually drew people away from AEW. Yet here we are right back at square one. The PPV numbers are still doing good, and the network is happy. I'm not sure if you could ever satisfy these casual fans enough. 800K is not far off the number of a loyal base who found AEW product to not be their favorite while WWE got rid of Vince. That is where the numbers went. Between Punk coming in and Vince leaving you lost about 200K. Yet AEW continues to please their network because other than sports it is one of the hottest commodities on cable Wednesday night. Apparently the numbers are even pleasing enough for the weekends. The numbers drop on the weekends probably due to the importance of the show and a number of both AEW and WWE fans. Because I'm an AEW fan only I watch all 3.
WWE lost me oddly enough when Punk got screwed over. I loved NXT under Hunter and that to me is what AEW feels like right now. I don't need to know every single thing about every wrestler that comes in. I simply watch them and see what they got and what they have to bring. I do love the extra promos and vignietes as well.
I think the issue is more of an issue for those that folllow or cover both and see a decline in AEW.
@@SeanMurrellRTS THe numbers are really fkn good given the REAL ceiling AEW has, no it WONT beat the WWE, because in order to do so, you need to play THEIR game. which is popularity > quality. WWE have shown that they WILL continue to : Focus on children and emotional infant adults, they WILL push the same superman character eventually, the ultra babyface with the most mainstream appeal, they WILL kill organic pushes when wrestlers get over by their own ability to do so and they WONT make their product revolve around wrestling. FFS, people went from unanimously wanting more wrestling in WWE shows, to admiting they dont care much, only about "stories" and "characters" and all the soap opera bullshit which was arguably, THE MOST CRITICIZED ASPECT of their product in the last WHOLE DECADE. Do you see what i mean ? do you see how people are now finding out they truly DONT want what they've been asking for ? especially if it comes with a fervorous loyal fanbase that will call them out for it.
Saying someone's not a fan for not watching some underground wrestling promotion is like saying someone's not a basketball fan cause they don't watch highschool ball 😂
There doesn't need to be an investment in guys who are not signed. It wasn't hard to invest in Vikingo vs. Omega. The intrigue of a new person can come in many forms. Some should get a hype machine, some can come in cold and with intrigue. There was ZERO buildup to who Bill Goldberg was, to know more about him, you had to GOOGLE HIM back when the internet didn't even work.
Tony Khan is a very rich dorky guy who does not have a pro wrestling background, he's not part of the industry, and I think he just looks at his wrestlers as real life action figures that he can play with for his amusement. Otherwise he would have hired retired legends from the industry to write the story lines and do the booking that are best qualified.
I watch tna, aew, and wwe this guy came at you cant watch every company, only one and it should be aew, fans thesse days are out of pocket why not just enjoy wrestling instead all this tribalism
if you don't think wwe has toxic fans as well then you're being a fanboy.
Right , every fan base has toxic fans and good fans
so me personally i would’ve just said wrestling fans , why single out . some WWE fans was just going crazy sending death threats to The Rock and his daughter who has no control over the booking
Toxic with no profile pic
@@retropocalypse1984 pointing out toxicity in wrestling fan base does not make me toxic. I just wish we could all get along regardless of what company anybody likes.
@@beethovenlivesupstairs4182 That would be nice, but unfortunately people love sh*t-stirring 🤦
At least AJ had better hair in New Japan than he currently got in the WWE.
Do you want to check my hair out as well buddy? 🥴
I watch pro wrestling for pro wrestling. Not because of someone hair lol. Im old school. You new are are something 😅
Why tf are you worried about another man hair? It’s wrestling bro watch him wrestle
Zesty 😂
Oh, this is a relevant response. Thank you for your insight.
I am a big AEW fan but it is 1000000% true about letting people know who wrestlers are. I had to GOOGLE a bunch of times who wrestlers are in AEW.
Someone that can’t spell “teue” shouldn’t have a opinion
Maybe he should look up what's true and g.. g... go Google it.........
sorry troll I didn't know you were perfect LOLLL
@@jayyleon5075
Hey trolley troll look I fixed my comment LOLL@@jayyleon5075
WWE builds wrestlers until they suddenly bring in old timers to destroy the whole damn thing ! 🤣
What a tired old coping mechanism that's obviously not true. Go back to enjoying Ric Flair and Sting, pal😂
@getschwifty9531 Look you can enjoy your convoluted wrestling story lines pal. No one knows WTF Seth Rollins and Cody are doing anyway. WM is already tainted thanks to the Rock. I'm sure you are willing to destroy all the heat that Cm punk and Rollins had once they have Stone Cold on speed dial.
@@internationalchannel4life270 you're getting hot under the collar there, sport.
100% correct.
That's why I loved the 80s 90s early 00s. Their creative storyline sucked me in. Nothing will ever compare to those years. The younger guys in AEW are super sensitive and have egos. Everything offends them, it seems.
First off I agree with his commen as an AEW fan, they need to educate their audience. However, I find it ironic that since WWE is hot suddenly the E-Drones have a free pass to attack AEW fans but the toxic AEW fans are supposidly the worst thing ever. If we use proportion since WWE is a bigger audience there would be much more WWE drones than faceless AEW fans with the attacks.
Ice cube ain’t lying 😂😂😂
His son
@@theabyss86still. He made a point
@@flashfunk0373that and I can’t be convinced that Ice Cube didn’t asexually produced him
I’m dying on that conspiracy hill
They need to hire JD as head executive of creative long term story telling for AEW
You want them to go out of business in a month lmao iwc Marky marks think they know it all but don’t know shit about the real business
Why? Because Tony Khan is bad at this. He’s good at three things (when it comes to wrestling): being rich, tribute shows and putting names next to each other, and versus in between, on a chalk board. Everything else is beyond him.
"Go gOgGLe it" has been a meme at this point lol
He ain’t wrong😂
wwe fans are far more toxic than any other fan base lets be honest
Facts 💯
I love Takeshita. They need to book him better.
NJPW is fire
It's like comic books...name a huge superhero you don't know their history or backstory.
I'm a fan of comics...but I went with girlfriend and we watched Deadpool. When we left.. BOTH of us knew about his origin/backstory....because they took time to tell us
Oshea is not wrong
Ice cubes son wasn't wrong!!
Lashing out a fans is going to make this all go away mmmmhmmm..... right 👌
Wrestling fans can be divided into two groups: The casual fans who watch it on TV and occasionally go to the live shows, and the online "Smart" fans who like to hang out on RUclips and chat boards pretending they're authorities on what wrestling is and acting like they know more about wrestling than the people in the ring. The guys giving O'Shae shit are of the latter category,
Star Man was in the best wrestling game on the NES 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pro wrestling
Twitter has some weird wrestling fans.
We are having this discussion like there aren't far, far too many crazed WWE fans camping every AEW Social ready to toss not even vaguely constructive tripe around.
No they are the cool product that can't do no wrong. Has anyone asked what the Cody crybabies as Rock likes to call them is going to do once he finishes his story? I hope they have some of that long term booking in store.
They are going to tired of Super Babyface Cody and he'll face the same dilemma he did when he booked himself into a corner in AEW.
I don’t understand why Bryan Danielson is wrestling random ROH and Japanese wrestlers every Collision and Dynamite 🧨 ? When in case everyone forgot this is his last year.
LMAO I mean where's the lie 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Never heard of this guy
I'm a WWE fan, always have been, always will be. If you're an AEW fan, that's great. You can either choose to be a fan of both or just be a fan of WWE or AEW and just focus on the Wrestling Company you like. Either way, have respect for the people who are fans of the other company while still supporting the company you like. No reason we all can't agree to disagree and be friendly with each other.
As an AEW fan I appreciate it and totally agree 100%. This is the way passionate fans are supposed to be.
Couldn't agree more 💯💯💯
They lost all credibility after losing 2 stars the way they did, and keeping the buckaroos.💩🤢
I think career highlights are in important because it gets the fans prepared to findout what kind of an athlete they are gonna see and the embodiment of there success.
Didn't Chris interview JD?
O''Shea is completely right. Tony Khan has cultivated a toxic and repulsive fanbase that treats everybody who doesn't agree with them as a crazy hater who doesn't know what he is talking about, just because they are so emotionally invested in the AEW product they can't admit the many faults that company has. That's why their niche is only becoming smaller and no casual even turn their channel to watch a spot fest with no story attached to it that only a handful of terminally online neck beards like. AEW should strive to expand the audience, instead Tony Khan does everything to make the fanbase smaller and more deranged than before
this comment is toxic AF
Spoken like a true hypocritical WWE fangirl
The lack of self-awareness you 'E' drones is both astonishing and hilarious
Those are the "IT'S THE HARD CAM" fans
Didn't WWE fans threaten the Rock's daughter because Cody had to finish his story?
AEW is just documentation of wrestling moves on tv. You can watch people flip and fake-fight down at your local gym. What makes movies good? It’s not watching the people on your screen. It’s watching them play out an experience or storyline. AEW is empty calories.
Honestly sounds like watch the guy who parks your car or packs your groceries because there going to be important one day.
O shea jackson is 100% right
I didnt know who kevin steen was either. I had heard of him, i guess (and el generico) and would randomly sign him in TEW2000.... Ever since he debuted in nxt hes been my favorite wrestler. He is the best damn heel and has the gift of gab. Love him. And his face stuff has turned out pretty alright (albeit not as good) too.
Tell me where he was wrong.
Aj styles for example for me
I didn't know nor heard of this guy until he debut in the 2016 royal rumble
It’s a shame common sense has to be explained to people. Some folks are straight up sad weirdos.
I agree with the criticism u have to tell back stories and video packages of the new guys to get ppl invested
WWE did good videos on Outback Jack! 😂
Fightful shills are the most annoying beings on the planet when it comes to their precious AEW
I’ve AEW since before it was even AEW, since Cody left WWE and I saw him wrestle at WCPW. But, AEW needs something. It’s whole identity was meant to be the younger but still mainstream wrestling promotion which had great wrestling, that’s now what WWE is doing but because it’s WWE it’s got more mainstream eyes on it. What is AEW if it looks less unique, what is AEW when the honeymoon phase dies? My thoughts, the best use of young talent in modern wrestling today and the potential to be the perfect hybrid of modern day storytelling and a sports like product.
Here’s what I’d do:
Brand Split, simple. TNT Champion on one show, TBS on the other, Tag and Trios titles separate. World Champions (men and women’s) float. Makes both shows feel different. Dynamite is the more modern storytelling filled with the Easter eggs, the callbacks, the shocking twist and turns with long term payoffs. Collision is old school pro wrestling. Simple heel vs baby face with. stipulations used to blow off feuds, simple reasons for feuds like winning a title to get a pay rise, intense blood feuds with the kind of grit of the ‘80s.
Stop ROH: it doesn’t work, don’t kill the brand but move it back to Universal Studios. It works better there. Keep the belts and stories off AEW TV as it doesn’t work logically.
Make rankings matter, simple wins and loses work at the start of each episode we see who’s where and so on
Video packages for a debuting star and why the match we are seeing with them has a story.
Stop using the Forbidden Door as a easy way out, save it for the Forbidden Door PPV or an actual storyline.
Film in different locations, like what WCW used to do. Be the purple cow. People don’t go “remember the wrestling show in the arena, it had Hangman Page on it” but they could go “remember that wrestling show at a theme park with Hangman Page on it”
I get what you guys are saying and AEW should do a better job with promoting and introducing newer guys but I'm still a fan of New Japan pro wrestling.
Love ya.
Here is an example for you all of a sudden what’s Danhausen shows up and they never tell us why he’s there, and who he is made no sense
You wouldnt google a wwe feud
"gO gOoGlE iT" 🤓🤓🤓
🤡 Yeah g..g... go google it
FACTS
Agree 💯 AEW is lacking in the story department.
Jd and Andrew do this for a living and don’t care who so and so is in a foreign country and whatever they did in a promotion over there. O’Shea is literally a celebrity a movie star his schedule is probably absolutely insane the fact that he has Time to even watch any wrestling is a miracle trying to kill him over not knowing some wrestler from new Japan is insane lol
.. jeez guys come on. this shouldn't be a surprise too the lack of story development AEW been having. Tony will act like the company isn't bad
Idk how to feel about this vid, you guys basically trashed any promotion outside wwe. At least what it sounds like
We did not. I dunno how you got to that?
@@JDfromNY When you say things like “I don’t care what they did there” “If it’s not in america I don’t care” Makes it sound like you only care for one promotion, straight up said aj styles past didn’t matter lol
@thenipplethiefo2417 that not what he saying
I think AEW has done squat With Jay White! The whole bang bang scissor gang is stupid!
Agree with yall. When I'm watching an NBA game, I don't give a shit about the best Euroleague players crossing overseas to play in the US. unless they are proven in the league like Luka and Jokic, I wouldn't bother googling. I wanna see what they are contributing now or what they value will be. If I'mma have to rely on they Euroleague accolades then nah.
Takeshita wasnt in New Japan thats how much this guy do his research.. He was in Dragon Gate. AEW gives you a summary on the guys career. If you going to have co-host please have some knowledge of the wrestlers from Japan. Dont spew bull about i dont care to know who Takeshita is. Then dont do a wrestling podcast if thats your attitude. All because you choose to focus only on AEW and WWE. Unbelievable 🤨
Or if you're normal like the millions of people who watch Smackdown are then you don't care about what he did in other promotions.
@@omnientertainment5852 well if you don’t know their history why the hell will a promotion pick him up for..
No one cares what Take-a-shit did in Japan what has he done in America besides just jobbing?
I thought I was going crazy. I was like "when was he in New japan?"
He started out in DDT pro, that's how Omega knows him and handpicked him to bring him to AEW.
Can JD do a video about velveteen dream returning to the ring
0:00-2:00 right on the money
I WATCH NEW JAPAN PRO WRESTLING AND WWE AND AEW AND OTHER PROMOTIONS AND KNOW DIFFERENT WRESTLERS
Same goes with NXT. I stopped watching NXT because it got too childish for my taste when it went 2.0. I watch black and gold every week when it comes on and I was heavily invested. I know that it's gold and white now, but I'm not taking any chances. If they come to the main roster, they got to give me a reason to care. I knew who Samoa Joe, Eric Young, Bobby Roode, ext because I watch them cook in TNA and I watched TNA on my cable. If I heard of a specific wrestler from a company that I don't watch for a long time, all I care about is what they do now.
It's the same with music.
Snoop's cousin will fail, TK's booking and nobody to work with.
Oh Baydala
I agree with Oshea!
King Slender! Beast!
Damn i don't listen to these guys but i will start because they speak the truth
Technically, both companies do a bad job in making you invest in talent. Everything from the fact that most wrestlers these days don't have a gimmick. And matches going back and forth, giving everyone a chance to do their stuff. Without ring psychology and storytelling, I'm just watching some guys and girls do fancy athletic moves. It looks cool, but whatever happened to the matches where a face is getting beat down the entire match. Then the face shows some life, getting the fans behind them on. Only for the heel to take back control again. These types of things helped you invest and get behind guys. Wrestling these days is looked at too much like it's UFC or boxing. It's neither and should never be in the same conversation.
true. but aew is so much worse in this regard. i stopped watching wrestling in 2017 and came back to watching raw, smackdown and dynamite in mid 2023. i know what going on in wwe a lot more than in aew. for example is till couldn't tell you what's going on with guys like rush or moxley. are they heels or faces? whats rush's character? what the hell is top flight even doing? what was the point of eddie winning the continental classics if he and his new belt are nowhere to be seen?
The argument of "Google it" goes south when people don't care. Some idiot tries arguing "Jordynne Grace. needed one" when it was fucking obvious who she was walking down the isle with the TNA women's title.
Everybody doesn't watch TNA or care.
So your argument is "When WWE does it its fine because Daddy Paul."
Agreed 1000000%
The dude that goes on aew live streams and SPAMS that "AEW is dead" wants to talk about toxicity 😂😂😂 lmao hypocrisy is insane
Maybe with the addition of Jennifer Pepperman, AEW will get backstories on their performers' to build them up. A lot of the wrestlers already have huge backstories due to the companies they have worked for in the past, but a bunch of the younger wrestlers might need that backstory to acquaint them to the audience. That's my take!
AEW is listening to the fans and critics. Despite some dorks who are unhinged just like some are for WWE, they are listening and I see evidence of this week by week. They brought the ratings back in the new year because fans wanted it. They brought us the C2 at the end of last year becasue people wanted it. They are not perfect, but I see them trying and to me after seeing years of WWE not giving a rats ass about their fans (HHH is much better in charge I have no doubt) it's funny how everyone is so concerned about the so called demise of AEW.
JD I feel you my head hurts trying to get people to understand facts and fiction.
It’s like you can’t convince some of these smarks that it needs to make sense.
They’re constantly like “it’s wwe it’s Aew it doesn’t matter if it makes sense” actually it does matter otherwise why even insult what little intelligence I have why insult every logical thinking person’s intelligence presenting us with this circus clown show.
Is it too much to ask for sensible storytelling and good wrestling is too much to ask that we the consumers want to be pleased and not be disappointed?