I really appreciate your program. I regret to say that it took a cargo ship destroying a bridge before I discovered your channel, and began to better understand worldwide maritime issues. You present information in a calm and factual way. And reasonably free of politics and hyperbole. I wish I could get other important news in the same way. Thank you and keep up the good work!
My uncle was merchant marine at the beginning of WW2 that was given the highest medal for things he did from the merchant marine command .The ship that he was aboard at the time is still a tourist site in California. I am X navy, 80 years old and proud of my family, marines serving in Korea, dad in law off Japan at the end of WW2, Me on the flight of a carrier at the beginning of Vietnam .I think we all did this not to feed our ego but just that it needed to be done.
My maternal grandfather lied about his age and served in the Merchant Marine during WW2. Post-WW2 he enlisted in the Air Force served in Vietnam and retired Senior Master Sergeant.
I turned 18 on the way to the Falklands in 82, on a RFA tanker called OLNA , I got the Falklands Medal with rosette for being in bomb alley. I was a merchant seaman.
I applied to Military Sealift Command, was accepted, completed paperwork, waited two months, called and found out they weren't even processing my application. It's been a week, haven't heard back. It's ridiculous how slow they hire considering how understaffed they are.
Meteorologist here; winds from a waterspout will not hit the ship broadside, but rather will rotate/torque the ship and its mast. Hard to imagine a yacht that could withstand that. The crew/ lookout most probably didn’t even see the spout let alone have time to respond.
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 Aren't they talking about a Wind Shear event? The sky opened up and dropped out. (RUclips some videos on it) it creates stupendous horizontal winds at the surface. Being in the wrong place, at the wrong time. What did the crew do wrong? They happened to be top side, doing their jobs, securing billionaire junk from a sudden rain storm - no one had a clue what was about to hit them. Why not charge the idiot billionaire (with the big D issues)? He ordered that foolishly, weirdly, tall main mast? When too much is never enough, bad outcomes can be expected. Cheers
@@rolandthethompsongunner64If doors or other openings that allowed water to quickly enter the vessel were not properly closed (per protocol) or were purposely left open, the crew should be tried for manslaughter.
@@alexcane4498 Meteorology was a science in the 1860's, by the 1960's there were radio devices commonplace that were not available to ships 30 years before. Rather they were carried by large ships but not generally purposed for weather reports. Sailers were on their own. After WW2 things changed but you still can't move people like chess pieces, by the time a waterspout becomes a waterspout it is too late to react. That is the problem, you can't just ring a bell and get the mast down and people on deck, even if they were watching the storm develop before sleeping. Nearly one hundred years later it has now become politics to raise cain. And here I am on social media putting oil on troubled waters that will not bring back dead people. A quick prayer to whatever god they had and its over.
MSC crewing was a nightmare back in the late 1980’s to mid 1990’s while I was there. The mariners were awesome but getting stuck on a ship for 9 months until a relief was found sucked. I was taking my 3rd Assistant license and Engine crewing was hounding me so bad that once I passed the exam I mailed a copy of my license along with my resignation letter. I loved shipping with MSC when I was aboard but that was about it.
I have been in an un-warned F0 tornado. It moved some cars, knocked people over, and blew a lot of roofs and signs away. It sucked the trash out of the dumpster before lifting it up and throwing it into the building. It lifted the back of my pickup up and turned the whole thing about 45° in the parking space. Another car had the back of another car set on its hood. No way a sailing yacht would survive that, keel up or not, and that was a F0.
This channel is how news is properly done. Sal has a super informative, facts-oriented, no nonsense approach that’s bolstered by his real world experience and a clear enthusiasm for the subject. Mainstream news outlets should watch and learn.
My father, uncles and cousins were merchant seamen. I grew up on coastal island and our main transportation was the boats which were also used for fishing. I did have near death situation experience when I was with my brother (I was 6yrs old and 14 years old brother ) on a way home when a sudden storm hit us with 22ft waves as high as a mountain hit us. I cried and brother was calm and maneuvered the boat out of that moment and made it home.
Thanks Sal for taking complex issues and breaking them down for those of us who aren't in the Navy or civilian shipping!!! Us landlubbers appreciate it!!!
In Bayesian, perhaps with information you didn't have at time of recording: the crew were on deck securing items (pillows, sofas etc) for a storm. They didn't know it would be a life threatening storm. (hence not waking evenone up to get them on main floor for instance). Pedantic: unless there is a weather radar covering the area, or there is visual/video proof, they can't confirm if it was a tornado (which has rotation causing dopler effect on weather radar as some rain moving towards radar and some moving away on other side of the "ring"). And a tornado would have likely caused camage to the top decks and the mast may not have survived a tornado. But definitely "severe weather" would be applicable. My guess is that it hinges on whether any crewmember remained on bridge while the others cleaned up and could have triggered the fire alarm to wake passengers and evacuate once theevent switched from preparing for your average summer thunderstorm to "shit the shio's list isn't fxing itself we're taking on water big time". If there was nobody on bridge and crew were thrown into water, they wouldn't have had a way to warn passengers to get out.
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According to the manufacturer, with keel retracted, the boat can go over 90deg and 120 with the keel extended. So with the 90 deg the boat went over and started to take on water, it sunk pretty fast. 7:53
My cousin is a contract sailor for rich people with yachts. Turns out tht most of the boat is sailed empty or with minimal crew, rarely with the actual owner on board. The cousin would receive instructions like "Be at port x in country y on day z" and then he would sail for weeks to get there and then the owner would do like a 3 day voyage from one country to another pretty much. The cousin said that its a really shiesty job because the owners can be nasty people and do nasty things and you have to be able to stomache their company and manerisms. But other owners are awesome to work for and great people
Super yachts are horrible investments in terms of depreciation, so some owners may attempt to sell timeshares to recoup a fraction of their operating costs. Less of a floating palace, more like a casino penthouse for high rollers
This channel is super important as a foundation stone to understanding not just international trade but military capability. I do like this longer format when events require it, because i know Sal has lots to cover and isn't wasting time.
Interesting. In the last video, you mentioned check to make sure you were subscribed. I was. You mentioned it again today…guess what. I needed to subscribe to your channel again. Thanks! Been with you since the beginning!
Screw Canadians. They voted for liberal policies and migrants. Then they complain when homes cost a million bucks. They should look at how California has turned out. 😂
Sal, thank you so much for speaking truth to power in the last segment. Your are the informed Fourth Estate. There is a reason that this is extremely valuable in a democracy.
The centerboard might be heavy or ballasted but usually a larger percentage of ballast weight is still fixed in the hull. If you get knocked down with all the hatches and windows open you are not going to have a good time.
A couple of notes on Bayesian: 1. Although the sails were not deployed, the boat had in-mast furling on the main and three roller-furled foresails. That places a *huge* amount of mass well above the waterline. 2. Although this boat had sisters, all of them had two shorter masts instead of a single taller one. 3. I have seen reports the keel has freeplay which results in a banging noise when not fully retracted. It is common to only deploy the keel when close hauled. 4. A big unknown is whether the naval architect recommended lowering the keel when at anchor in heavy winds. 5. If the previous is true, did the captain know this? 6. The boat almost certainly had someone on watch who noticed the storm coming, and alerted the rest of the crew. 7. The entire crew (sans chef) was almost certainly on deck securing gear when she went over. 8. Hatches were almost certainly open to send gear below. 9. I have not seen any confirmation on a tornado/waterspout. 10. Current suspicion seems to be a microburst/downdraft which knocked the vessel over. 11. The open cockpit design (forward and aft) would have filled instantly, and prevented the vessel from righting. 12. On her side, with open hatches, the vessel was pretty much guaranteed to go down in a matter of minutes. 13. The fate of anyone below deck was most likely secured within seconds of the knockdown.
Excellent summary! Also there were reports from the survivors of broken glass that cut them as they tried to escape. The glass probably came from windows that had been pushed in by the force of either wind or water, more likely the latter, which leads me to accept that a waterspout/tornado was a more likely cause than a microburst. Alternatively, the windows could have been broken as the boat capsized, if it hit the water hard enough. Your list gives much food for thought!
@@tedoptional-p8l First off, it is unclear if the person speaking is the builder or the naval architect. These are often two different people with two different responsibilities. The questions here need to be addressed by the naval architect, not the builder. Now assuming the person speaking is the naval architect, no statements have been made as to how the ship was *supposed* to be handled at anchor in a storm, and how specifically the crew failed in their duties. So far, his statements are about as useful as those from all of the people who have never sailed a boat before.
@@rockets4kids But if you have never been through a storm at sea you are just a passenger. Even if you went Round The 'Horn, if it was good weather it didn't count.
My grandfather used to run boats for rich people. Yachts, but of the small house size, not super yachts. The last one he captained before retiring was "the tallest rig in the harbor" consistently, where ever we went to visit them. This would have been back in maybe 2010, at the latest, so tall rigs were already a thing!
Sam, this video is one of the most informative ever, so the real question is , how can the US Government have allowed the Maritime situation to become so disorganised and unsuited to its requirements?.
This is hardly the first time that the US maritime situation is like it is today. I recommend watching Oceanliner Designs to learn how often it has occurred in the past. You might be surprised!
Yes, agree eSysman SuperYachts Is my goto resource for anything super yacht as for me this channel is for anything ship sized and both channels in their own field show a depth of experience and knowledge that is unrivalled in even the best mainstream media. Way to go guys!!! Great job you do! A respectful hat tip to you both.
Thanks Sal, great content. Good commentary on the Canadian Rail Strike. Any disruption in ports, be it rail or longshoremen, the government acts quickly. 20% of Canada's GDP moves through Vancouver. The ONLY thing that wakes up the govt is a strike effecting the port of Vancouver. As a pilot in Vancouver, I have to navigate picket lines as carefully as the shoals and other hazards that define the crazy, dynamic harbour that I work in.
You correct the cost of the Polar Security Cutter is crazy. I am concerned USCG is trying to put the capabilities of the National Security Cutter into an Icebreaker, but are still arguing internal what the design should be.
Watching you try to hold your frustration in while describing the problems with the state of USA military maritime readiness is palpable, Sal. I hope your reports are seen by the right people in the right places so as to motivate them to change things for the better! Great job, as always!
As a former MSC mariner, THANK YOU for explaining the manning problem. I wish they would billet to 2.0/2.15 so mariners could work in some training and other requirements like reserve duty in addition to vacation with family. You're right, MSC is a great organization, but the Civilian Mariners are treated like McDonald's cheeseburger wrappers (great at first glance with training and a federal employee benefits class, then quickly disgarded and forgotten once put to sea). Therefore, they vote with their feet if they are financially able to and to have dependents requiring their level of support that keeps them at sea. Thanks again Sal. You're the best!
I have been on large vessels in extreme wind gusts at anchor. The boat would have been knocked on its beam ends. Even if the main saloon sliding door was closed, the force of the knockdown could have forced it open , through its own weight. That is a opening of several square meters. At that point the volume of water entering the main saloon area with subsequent down flooding would have been in the thousands of litres per second. The boat would flood in minutes.
I've looked in Bayesian sinking. 5 watertight compartments 3 with doors, two without. They go all the way to the main deck. The keel is always up unless under sail. Supposedly it knocks on the pivot pin if it's down and not under sail. The draft is 12.96' keel up and 31.91' keel down. It doesn't have a bulb on the bottom of the keel. It's class and LY2 compliance is ABS + A1 Yachting Service AMS and it has to meet that with keel up. I haven't seen stability calculations for this vessel and have seen several different reports. Or how it floats are different angles of heel. But my best guess is that heeled to 90 deg. the salon doors would not be underwater due to the hull shape it appears have. The hull is shaped to greatly increase righting moment as you heel. I've been heeled past 60 deg. on a keel sailboat. The largest heel was on an ILC 46 in a downwind leg. Wind greatly increased after we rounded the windward mark, we had way too big a spinnaker up. It was the first time we were sailing the boat in that much wind. Almost none of the deck was underwater. This is the page for Bayesian, www.perininavi.it/yacht/2008-bayesian-formerly-salute/. This is the sister ship to Bayesian, www.perininavi.it/yacht/2006-rosehearty/. They have different riggs, Bayesian is a sloop, and Rosehearty is a ketch. The hull is supposed to be the same. I've heard rumor they will salvage it. Shouldn't be that hard to float it. And they might be able to do stability tests on Rosehearty even before that happens, if it happens.
Excellent comment! I will get picky and state that all sailboats have keels. I think you meant to add "retractable" keel, otherwise known as a centerboard. As I understand, it was the owner's decision, as was his right, to go with the tall sloop rig rather than the ketch rig as the others had. This would absolve the designer of blame.
Not only was the sinking of the yacht a tragedy, when Italian prosecuters see a camera they start throwing out charges whether they are appropriate or not. They convicted three geologists for "not" being able to predict an earthquake some years ago to say nothing of Amanda Knox. I hope they don't do this to that crew unless the actually did something wrong. Thank you as always.
@@pixie706 Not strange at all. the sudden storm was in progress before the fatal roll. Many crew would have been on deck, securing all the loose furniture, cushions and equipment. some crew were no doubt on the bridge, which is top of the deck and bridge windows give easy escape access.
There's a little more to the earthquake issue than not being able to predict it. There was a large number of small earthquakes in the area and they reassured the officials that there wasn’t anything to worry about and not be prepared for a larger one.
@@jss27560 That still doesn't justify prosecuting them and putting them in jail. I've known tons of geologists in my life and not one of them would ever claim and earthquake would, or would not happen.
I used to deliver sail boats and taught sail boating using the Soling 27' sloop which was an Olympic class racing sloop using three crew. It surprises me that this sloop has a retractable keel because of its very large size requiring a very large keel. Retractable keels are used on smaller sail boats that encounter shallow water when transiting in and out of ports. An adjustable keel also affords a sail boat to approach islands and areas of interest that would otherwise prevent the sail boat from coming close to, anchoring, and enjoying the location. The purpose of a sail boat keel is to create directional stability while under sail. Under power in harbor or in shallow water with the keel up relies on engine power and rudder for directional stability. When under sail, wind impacts the sails and heels the vessel's masts in the direction of the wind. This raises some of the hull out of the water on the windward side of the boat. Direction becomes an apparent direction when sailing at an angle to the wind. In any case of wind in the sails, pressure on the keel counteracts wind pressure on sails to keep the vessel from fully keeling over. The rudder also has command in direction while under sail. Wind pressure on the sails crates water pressure on the keel and results in positive pressure, or resistance, by water upon the keel and in a direction that opposes wind direction. "Airfoil Principle: The sail, when filled with wind, creates an airfoil shape, similar to an airplane wing. This shape deflects the air downward, generating lift and forward motion. The curved upper surface of the sail, or “cambered” surface, forces the air to flow faster over it than under it, creating a pressure difference. The resulting force, lift, pushes the sailboat forward. Centerboard or Keel: To counteract the sideways force of the wind, sailboats have a centerboard or keel underneath the hull. The centerboard is a flat, vertical plate that extends downward from the hull, while the keel is a longer, more curved surface running along the centerline of the boat. As the wind pushes the boat sideways, the flow of water over these underwater surfaces creates an opposing force, lift, which counters the wind’s sideways push." search.brave.com/search?q=how+sail+boats+sail&source=desktop&summary=1&summary_og=a5dcb2821491fb1e27c6dd Thank you for this video, Sal.
Thank you so much for such a comprehensive video covering all these important topics! Other channels have focused on each of these, but yours is the first with so many details. As for the Navy recruiting and retention, I work in retail, which has a similar issue with high turnover of workers. Worker concerns need addressing everywhere, as with the Canadian railroad workers. I am so glad you covered the sinking of the Bayesian, since this topic has occupied my attention of late. You repeated what other channels have said, but put it all together concisely. I think this was a tragic but preventable accident, which started with the decision to use the unusually tall mast rather than a ketch rig, and the retractable keel, which when combined challenged the crew's ability to handle it in rough weather, and was compounded by the sudden storm, which the crew seems to have been unprepared for. Others too have noted the similarity with the Titan submersible's sinking, both being pet projects of their owners who then drowned in their vessels. Blame for the Bayesian accident can be shared by many, as these types of accidents often are. I appreciate the update on the Gaza pier and the Red Sea attacks. So thanks for this excellent (as always) video!
Thanks for answering the Q about was it necessary to have such a stonking tall mast! Even if I was that rich, would I really want the my yacht to a huge lightening conductor?!! I don't think so - it's a horrible tragedy,... I have heard from the Channel you mentioned, he reported crew were on deck securing everything - but it doesn't seem the passengers were being tended to as all but 1 of the deceased were found in one stateroom which was none of theirs - and it's amazing how a 1-year old survived. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing? This sounds left field - but could a DEW cause turbulent air - something like a water spout?
As a former USN Sailor, MSC was only way we could what we needed while not seeing a port months apart. I can't remember ever coming alongside and having to break-away due an issue with them not us. Ships are important, but so are those who crew them, leave is so important to the happiness of your sailors, why I went to the mat to support it when I was senior enlisted, to the point of being told it was settled and not in the way I thought it should have been. MSC has had too many managers vice leaders. It almost seems that USCG is trying to run away from building and manning a new icebreaker.
Why...is everything in and around the Navy these days....so messed up, and has been messed up....and does not appear to be changing towards success ? The Littorals that can only go out when the seas are calm because of their cracks in the aluminum ? Repair yards backed up. Shipyards backed up. Always bad news.
I am surprised you didn't cover the destruction of the Russian Railroad Ferry "Conro Trader" in the Port of Kavkaz in your Top-5 list. This was the last operational Ferry that could deliver fully loaded fuel tanker cars to either the Ports of Kerch or Krym on the Crimean Peninsula. This sinking puts the southern Russian Armies into a huge logistical nightmare because the Kerch bridge cannot support the weight of fully loaded trains coming from mainland Russia due to the damage the doubletracked rail bridge suffered back in the Oct. 2022 truck bomb blast & fire. Only empty train cars can transit the bridge from west-east due to weight limitations and the Railroad Ferries had been used to deliver all of the heavy fuel & ammunition shipments. The USNS crewing situation is a logistical nightmare for the U.S. Navy and sidelining ships is only going to put more wear & tear on the still operational ones. And I agree 100% with you let some Nation like Finland build our new Ice Breaker ships, I mean they are a NATO member now and have more experience building ships like this, so it is really a no-brainer.
What’s irritating me about the yacht sinking is the boat designer out there blaming the crew within 24 hours it’s just tacky. This looks like it was a freak accident especially if a water spout was involved.
Maybe the "freak accident" shouldn't have sunk the ship. Maybe the crew should have been more proactive in securing the ship earlier considering the weather forecast. Tacky doesn't mean that the designer is wrong.
@@lornes7526 According to other channels, the Bayesian had many sister ships from the same designer, but was the only one to be sloop-rigged with a single, ultra-tall mast, rather than ketch-rigged like all the others. The choice of the mast appears to have been the owner's decision, which was certainly his right to make, but his reasons are unknown although possibly justifiable. The designer is not wrong, as you say, but should have been consulted more about the choice of mast.
@vernicethompson4825 It's all going to come out during the investigation. Correspondence between the mast fabricator and boat owner will indicate why the mast was specified to be that height. Myself, I believe it had more to do with functionality than vanity, but if it was vanity, how much did mast height contribute to the sinking? In the long run, incidents like this are caused by one main event, but legislation is created to regulate the billion other insignificant but associated variables attached to it, and that drives me crazy. The experts are going to model this, it's going to be interesting what the final report says.
@@lornes7526 " incidents like this are caused by one main event, but legislation is created to regulate the billion other insignificant but associated variables attached to it" That is not how that typically works. Yes, there is a 'primary' event which triggers such an event, but for the event to play out the way it did, there are many factors which play a role, and very often, a small change to one of those factors will change the outcome.
Sal, you are the man. Spent my entire Navy career on an AOE when they were still manned by USN. Can't imagine what it would have been like if were USNS manned.
@@MerchantMarineGuy As I recall, on the last cruise we did to the I/O we were 111 uninterrupted days on Gonzo station with the Kitty Hawk and her escorts. We were resupplied in place from fleet oilers and smaller ammo and dry stores ships. We then serviced the others. We saw each of the ships on average every 3 days. In addition to the near non-stop unreps, we also conducted almost constant vertreps with the CH46s. I don't know how many total ships we serviced on that cruise, but considering we carried 10.5 million gallons of DFM and JP5 and up to 2000 tons of ammo and dry stores we moved one helluva lot.
Thanks for the updates Sal. I really appreciate you staying on top of global shipping and keep us informed. and I _really_ appreciate that you are constantly beating the drum regarding our nation's sealift capabilities (or lack thereof). You are doing great work.
I've been close to three waterspouts in my life, all in Florida. The first time I set foot on Cape Canaveral AFS, as we were crossing the Banana River, TWO waterspouts touched down in the river when we driving across the Causeway. The third one was at New Smyrna Beach and it was simply moving from the sea to the shore cross the Inland Waterway. The only point to make here is that, on both occasions, they were VERY localized. On the Banana River, I observed that there was little, if any, turbulence on either shore. So, a direct hit on the yacht was a very low probability event, IMO.
It is shocking, distressing, and emotional to consider and cover so thank you and eSysMan always for reasoned, calm, experienced coverage of maritime's many elements.
More good stuff here. I found your channel from Super Yacht News. I found that during the early days of the Ukraine war, when he was describing the situation with sanctioned super yachts generally going dark on AIS, fleeing to the middle East or Indian Ocean haunts, or being arrested in ports. It was an interesting time. I've found your channel to have a bit of a wider coverage and relevance to the modern world and shipping is more relatable than the lives of the 0.1% and those who serve them. Always enjoy the round up videos, Thanks.
On the yacht incident, some accounts are leaning towards a Microburst having hit the vessel, which makes even more sense than the spout as far as being forced over from the mast is concerned. no crew anywhere can outwork something like that. it's too much in an instant. ask pilots.
I worked at HP at the time of the Autonomy acquisition (Mike Lynch's AI company) so the Bayesian sinking was like a blast from my past. While I do think that Lynch and co engaged in shenanigans to inflate the value of that company, I also think that Apotheker's HP was so desperate to do a deal that they willfully ignored an abundance of warning signs. Autonomy's story was literally too good to be true. They were claiming to be able to do things that are bleeding edge for OpenAI and co today, all the way back in 2011. I had a colleague with deep AI experience who predicted at the time the deal closed that HP would ultimately have to recognize a $9B goodwill writedown out of a total deal value of $11B. The actual writedown a couple years later was $8.8B. Of course she ultimately rose to be the CTO at a major company.
There's a Constitutional difference between the US and Canada on how national labour issues are regulated. The story is even more complex than Sal is reporting, albeit in all fairness to Sal, who's being vastly more fair on this than many even in Canada, most Canadians not in the industry are also unaware of the difference. Since links get scrubbed from RUclips comments, Google: "Federal labour board orders rail workers back on the job, imposes binding arbitration" for an in-depth look at this. This quote is key: "The Teamsters union challenged the government's move, but the board on Saturday said the tribunal had no authority to decide whether the minister's directive was valid." I suspect Sal has been perusing CBC and other Cdn media on this, as some are hosting deep legal examinations on the topic.
We really need to address the houthi as an issue for the modern world and countries that want to live in modern world trade. I really think that since the news cycle is Ukraine and Israel they can ignore the red sea. With the Gaza pier, they really should have established a beach head if they wanted to go that route. I know they didnt want troops on the ground, but the method they gave those soldiers and sailers to work with was doomed for failure. I just took three weeks of classes to start my maritime career in Florida and everyone knows about MSC as a great way to get started in your career and most of them by the time they get enough sea time to become able seamen etc, they jump ship and go. You see this in manufacturing companies as well. You get a bunch of kids from school to come weld for cheap and turn and burn them out, then scoop up the next class but you never keep any experience in your company.
From any sailor's point of view , even a dingy sailor , I am sure the first question we would ask is " was the keel up or down " and what openings were open or closed .
Actually as a former dinghy sailor my first response was "oh ****! A WATERSPOUT in the Med?!??". That's almost unheard of, if not unprecedented. I only heard about them in oceans before. That's terrifying beyond the relatively small tragedy of this yacht. Nothing escapes a waterspout apart from the good fortune of not being in it's unpredictable path
Two things overseen here!! 1.) The ship was in an anchoring ground withe a lot over other smaller vessels. There is a video of the "storm" hitting, showing a 40-50 ft catamaran beeing LIFTED completely in the air , then flipped over completely over its bow, which means lengthwise, not sideways. Such a vessel have weight between 10 and 20 tons. No damage reported from all the other vessels. Conclusion : Waterspout, a very very confined situation with huge upward violent sucking air, hitting within seconds and having nothing to do with the "storm" around. Second: All doors and hatches on a yacht are constructed to withstand from outside hitting forces like wind or waves. They are not constructed to withstand fro m outside PULLLING forces with such violent might , that can lift a 10 to twenty tons vessel out the water completely. 3. The crew might have been on deck in process of securing loose things, doors and hatches, maybe not having competed the whole process, when the spout hit. That is a process within seconds, not a developing situation of an upcoming and forecasted storm.
I take a drink and check a bingo square every time Dr. Sal says “babel mandab.” I came for the international commerce and maritime knowledge. I stay for bingo …and all I have to say is “BINGOMANDAB!”
Of course the Italian builder of Bayesian invokes the aid of the Italian prosecutors to cast blame on the crew of the ship, to avoid being held to account himself. "The best defense is a good offense."
With the keel down the max heel in the 70 degree range, with it up it’s just less than 90 degrees. Therefore once it’s heeled 90 degrees it will not recover
I predict the Bayesian will be salvaged, for this situation easy enough to do. Heavy cables are dragged under the hull using two tugs pullin the parallel ends along. Then either a large floating crane can lit, or air lifting bags are attached and up she comes. The mast gets cut away, the hull is turned upright, and the wreck gets floated inot a floating drydock. Upon rebuild, the replacement mast will be properly sized, likely somewhere around 100 feet. She will go just as fast with sail on a 100-footer as on this 247-foot monster. As to the question of how the crew resonds to the forecast of this heavy storm front: engage the engine and sail and steam at full power to the North, "Get out of Dodge!" go hide at Naples or try for Genoa. Never sit with you boat where you are going to get clobbered.
You missed the ship related rail story: a cargo ship grounded in the St-Lawrence Seaway blocking other freight that had been moved off of trains onto ships because of the strike. That ship dislodged this am (Sat) - so no real impact. 138-meter Dutch vessel Heemskerkgracht was carrying scrap steel - not a rail issue - but blocked ships that were carrying cargo re-routed from rail. Watching the Vessel tracker discovered an 18m boat called: Millenium Faucon. (Yes that translates to Han's ship).
One other comment. I was a guest several times on my parent’s BFF’s small yacht (80 ft) . Each time before we began our adventure, the owner would do a walk through of the boat’s safety equipment and how to launch of the life raft. Every time! I loved it! Such a responsible owner. Even in Mexico when we went out with other guests on day cruises, everyone needed to know the same things! All the other guests laughed but went on the tour anyway! 👍 Being it was the first yacht I was ever on, I felt safe on open water.
turns out that nowadays, yachts in this price range have lifeboats that are automatically deployed into the water. the mechanism that releases them is triggered by coming in contact with water.
Sal, Sometimes an uncomfortable analysis of the situation is needed to get needed actions to occur. I thank you for your honesty and perceptive observations. Now, if only the "right" people could be prodded into remedying this problem.
The IJN, watching the Bayesian do a permament half-barrel roll and dive: "That's some Tomozuru level of idiocy, baka yarou..." Excellent recap, Sal. Let's just hope the Red Sea doesn't turn into a giant, slick oil patch. Cheers.
Pertaining to your 'Gaza pier update'......... ROE (Rules Of Engagement), the DoD 'hamstrung' our capability to provide needed to supply/resupply, by 'politicians'......thus extremely limiting our respose (just like the .gov issues, during Vietnam.
If you remember the replacement of the USCG seagoing bouy tenders. The design to replace the 50+ year old 180’s in the 1990’s . A design that was ready had to be scrapped as a result of the Exxon Valdez oil spill so an oil recovery system was required by US law passed after the Valdez spill. That delayed and added to the replacement cost. That requirement, I believe is no longer used. The USCG Polar Star and Polar Sea were built in Seattle in the 1970s. Too much shipbuilding is being funneled into the Gulf Coast. Look at what happened to Eastern Shipbuilding post Hurricane Michael.
Sal is just the BEST source of maritime news and content.❤
Agreed.
Agreed.
He's the best sourse of ship.
Thanks!
I really appreciate your program. I regret to say that it took a cargo ship destroying a bridge before I discovered your channel, and began to better understand worldwide maritime issues. You present information in a calm and factual way. And reasonably free of politics and hyperbole. I wish I could get other important news in the same way. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Ditto!! Respect from Manchester (UK) :)
Welcome!
Thank you, as a seafarer I agree.
I always have time to listen to the truth of this madness. Thanks for your dedication and professionalism.
Thanks for the Strike / Lockout Correction. Really enjoy your reports.
Glad you like them!
My uncle was merchant marine at the beginning of WW2 that was given the highest medal for things he did from the merchant marine command .The ship that he was aboard at the time is still a tourist site in California. I am X navy, 80 years old and proud of my family, marines serving in Korea, dad in law off Japan at the end of WW2, Me on the flight of a carrier at the beginning of Vietnam .I think we all did this not to feed our ego but just that it needed to be done.
My maternal grandfather lied about his age and served in the Merchant Marine during WW2. Post-WW2 he enlisted in the Air Force served in Vietnam and retired Senior Master Sergeant.
I turned 18 on the way to the Falklands in 82, on a RFA tanker called OLNA , I got the Falklands Medal with rosette for being in bomb alley. I was a merchant seaman.
Yep, I did my job, no medals needed, still do.
@@keithpennockmy Dad was captain birdseye
Didn't you do this for the sake of travels sake. Going all over the world. Including round over to Australia since the 1970,s
I applied to Military Sealift Command, was accepted, completed paperwork, waited two months, called and found out they weren't even processing my application. It's been a week, haven't heard back. It's ridiculous how slow they hire considering how understaffed they are.
Thanks, Professor Sal.
Any time
I've been watching ESysman for a few yrs! Love his channel!!
Veteran of the Navy helo dunker. Going from nice and dry to water entry is confusing and chaotic.
Meteorologist here; winds from a waterspout will not hit the ship broadside, but rather will rotate/torque the ship and its mast. Hard to imagine a yacht that could withstand that. The crew/ lookout most probably didn’t even see the spout let alone have time to respond.
Exactly. And the ridiculous manslaughter charges against the crew is outrageous.
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 Aren't they talking about a Wind Shear event? The sky opened up and dropped out. (RUclips some videos on it) it creates stupendous horizontal winds at the surface. Being in the wrong place, at the wrong time. What did the crew do wrong? They happened to be top side, doing their jobs, securing billionaire junk from a sudden rain storm - no one had a clue what was about to hit them. Why not charge the idiot billionaire (with the big D issues)? He ordered that foolishly, weirdly, tall main mast? When too much is never enough, bad outcomes can be expected.
Cheers
@@rolandthethompsongunner64 From the country that charged seismologists for not correctly predicting an earthquake....
@@rolandthethompsongunner64If doors or other openings that allowed water to quickly enter the vessel were not properly closed (per protocol) or were purposely left open, the crew should be tried for manslaughter.
@@alexcane4498 Meteorology was a science in the 1860's, by the 1960's there were radio devices commonplace that were not available to ships 30 years before.
Rather they were carried by large ships but not generally purposed for weather reports. Sailers were on their own.
After WW2 things changed but you still can't move people like chess pieces, by the time a waterspout becomes a waterspout it is too late to react. That is the problem, you can't just ring a bell and get the mast down and people on deck, even if they were watching the storm develop before sleeping.
Nearly one hundred years later it has now become politics to raise cain. And here I am on social media putting oil on troubled waters that will not bring back dead people. A quick prayer to whatever god they had and its over.
Thanks Sal. To concisely hit all the points in your spread of stories today was an honor to watch. I'm a hooked.
MSC crewing was a nightmare back in the late 1980’s to mid 1990’s while I was there. The mariners were awesome but getting stuck on a ship for 9 months until a relief was found sucked. I was taking my 3rd Assistant license and Engine crewing was hounding me so bad that once I passed the exam I mailed a copy of my license along with my resignation letter. I loved shipping with MSC when I was aboard but that was about it.
Absolutely felt the same.
@@wgowshipping All sailing is a double lifescape.
You should try shipping with captain birdseye he's a good captain and take care of crew
I have been in an un-warned F0 tornado. It moved some cars, knocked people over, and blew a lot of roofs and signs away. It sucked the trash out of the dumpster before lifting it up and throwing it into the building. It lifted the back of my pickup up and turned the whole thing about 45° in the parking space. Another car had the back of another car set on its hood.
No way a sailing yacht would survive that, keel up or not, and that was a F0.
Yee haaa. Glad youre ok👍👍
The keel is normally retracted at anchor because of clearance. Also, the extended keel would bang from sided to side inside the keel slot. 7:35
This channel is how news is properly done. Sal has a super informative, facts-oriented, no nonsense approach that’s bolstered by his real world experience and a clear enthusiasm for the subject. Mainstream news outlets should watch and learn.
My father, uncles and cousins were merchant seamen. I grew up on coastal island and our main transportation was the boats which were also used for fishing.
I did have near death situation experience when I was with my brother (I was 6yrs old and 14 years old brother ) on a way home when a sudden storm hit us with 22ft waves as high as a mountain hit us.
I cried and brother was calm and maneuvered the boat out of that moment and made it home.
Thanks Sal for taking complex issues and breaking them down for those of us who aren't in the Navy or civilian shipping!!! Us landlubbers appreciate it!!!
Holy heck, I had no idea the Houthi-attacked tanker was *twice* the size of Exxon Valdez!
Unfathomable environmental disaster to make happen off their own coastline ... instead of their enemy's ......
The Red sea is basically a very long bay...no current - if all that oil gets out,it goes everywhere...and stays there.
Our pal Sal really knows his ship!
In Bayesian, perhaps with information you didn't have at time of recording: the crew were on deck securing items (pillows, sofas etc) for a storm. They didn't know it would be a life threatening storm. (hence not waking evenone up to get them on main floor for instance).
Pedantic: unless there is a weather radar covering the area, or there is visual/video proof, they can't confirm if it was a tornado (which has rotation causing dopler effect on weather radar as some rain moving towards radar and some moving away on other side of the "ring"). And a tornado would have likely caused camage to the top decks and the mast may not have survived a tornado. But definitely "severe weather" would be applicable.
My guess is that it hinges on whether any crewmember remained on bridge while the others cleaned up and could have triggered the fire alarm to wake passengers and evacuate once theevent switched from preparing for your average summer thunderstorm to "shit the shio's list isn't fxing itself we're taking on water big time". If there was nobody on bridge and crew were thrown into water, they wouldn't have had a way to warn passengers to get out.
By the time USNI News summary hit my inbox, USNI News had removed the ability to comment on the article!
Today everyone has at least one stone tile which you rub with your fingers and there appears magical words etched inside, not by the hand of men, that flash and call out. Sometimes it's Goodnews but sometimes it isn't. Some of them are actual lamps as well. Choose one or two or...
According to the manufacturer, with keel retracted, the boat can go over 90deg and 120 with the keel extended. So with the 90 deg the boat went over and started to take on water, it sunk pretty fast. 7:53
My cousin is a contract sailor for rich people with yachts. Turns out tht most of the boat is sailed empty or with minimal crew, rarely with the actual owner on board. The cousin would receive instructions like "Be at port x in country y on day z" and then he would sail for weeks to get there and then the owner would do like a 3 day voyage from one country to another pretty much.
The cousin said that its a really shiesty job because the owners can be nasty people and do nasty things and you have to be able to stomache their company and manerisms. But other owners are awesome to work for and great people
Super yachts are horrible investments in terms of depreciation, so some owners may attempt to sell timeshares to recoup a fraction of their operating costs. Less of a floating palace, more like a casino penthouse for high rollers
This channel is super important as a foundation stone to understanding not just international trade but military capability. I do like this longer format when events require it, because i know Sal has lots to cover and isn't wasting time.
Interesting. In the last video, you mentioned check to make sure you were subscribed. I was. You mentioned it again today…guess what. I needed to subscribe to your channel again. Thanks! Been with you since the beginning!
I don't know why that is happening. I had a few mention it.
I call bullshit 😂 that doesn’t happen
@@jmax8692 Oh it does. Had it happen many times with my subscriptions.
@@jmax8692 4 auto-unsubs to me, asked the channels owners... nope, not them. Maybe neutrinos flipping subs to 0!
The Canadians are mad and the American is apologising. What the Ship is going on?!
In Canada wondering the same thing.
I think it's because of global warming and climate change😌👌
Ship happens.
Screw Canadians. They voted for liberal policies and migrants. Then they complain when homes cost a million bucks. They should look at how California has turned out. 😂
Next thing you know, it’ll be no Maple Syrup for us.
Sal, thank you so much for speaking truth to power in the last segment. Your are the informed Fourth Estate. There is a reason that this is extremely valuable in a democracy.
The centerboard might be heavy or ballasted but usually a larger percentage of ballast weight is still fixed in the hull. If you get knocked down with all the hatches and windows open you are not going to have a good time.
A couple of notes on Bayesian:
1. Although the sails were not deployed, the boat had in-mast furling on the main and three roller-furled foresails. That places a *huge* amount of mass well above the waterline.
2. Although this boat had sisters, all of them had two shorter masts instead of a single taller one.
3. I have seen reports the keel has freeplay which results in a banging noise when not fully retracted. It is common to only deploy the keel when close hauled.
4. A big unknown is whether the naval architect recommended lowering the keel when at anchor in heavy winds.
5. If the previous is true, did the captain know this?
6. The boat almost certainly had someone on watch who noticed the storm coming, and alerted the rest of the crew.
7. The entire crew (sans chef) was almost certainly on deck securing gear when she went over.
8. Hatches were almost certainly open to send gear below.
9. I have not seen any confirmation on a tornado/waterspout.
10. Current suspicion seems to be a microburst/downdraft which knocked the vessel over.
11. The open cockpit design (forward and aft) would have filled instantly, and prevented the vessel from righting.
12. On her side, with open hatches, the vessel was pretty much guaranteed to go down in a matter of minutes.
13. The fate of anyone below deck was most likely secured within seconds of the knockdown.
Excellent summary! Also there were reports from the survivors of broken glass that cut them as they tried to escape. The glass probably came from windows that had been pushed in by the force of either wind or water, more likely the latter, which leads me to accept that a waterspout/tornado was a more likely cause than a microburst. Alternatively, the windows could have been broken as the boat capsized, if it hit the water hard enough. Your list gives much food for thought!
The designer of the boat will dispute some of this speculation.
@@tedoptional-p8l Yes, he should, since this is the only one of his boats to have sunk so far, apparently.
@@tedoptional-p8l First off, it is unclear if the person speaking is the builder or the naval architect. These are often two different people with two different responsibilities. The questions here need to be addressed by the naval architect, not the builder.
Now assuming the person speaking is the naval architect, no statements have been made as to how the ship was *supposed* to be handled at anchor in a storm, and how specifically the crew failed in their duties. So far, his statements are about as useful as those from all of the people who have never sailed a boat before.
@@rockets4kids But if you have never been through a storm at sea you are just a passenger. Even if you went Round The 'Horn, if it was good weather it didn't count.
My grandfather used to run boats for rich people. Yachts, but of the small house size, not super yachts. The last one he captained before retiring was "the tallest rig in the harbor" consistently, where ever we went to visit them. This would have been back in maybe 2010, at the latest, so tall rigs were already a thing!
Sam, this video is one of the most informative ever, so the real question is , how can the US Government have allowed the Maritime situation to become so disorganised and unsuited to its requirements?.
This is hardly the first time that the US maritime situation is like it is today. I recommend watching Oceanliner Designs to learn how often it has occurred in the past. You might be surprised!
Thank you for this important coverage, Sal. I appreciate the moments of levity you provide in the midst of these very serious stories.
Great job Sal!
Yes, agree eSysman SuperYachts
Is my goto resource for anything super yacht as for me this channel is for anything ship sized and both channels in their own field show a depth of experience and knowledge that is unrivalled in even the best mainstream media. Way to go guys!!! Great job you do!
A respectful hat tip to you both.
Thanks Sal, great content. Good commentary on the Canadian Rail Strike. Any disruption in ports, be it rail or longshoremen, the government acts quickly. 20% of Canada's GDP moves through Vancouver. The ONLY thing that wakes up the govt is a strike effecting the port of Vancouver. As a pilot in Vancouver, I have to navigate picket lines as carefully as the shoals and other hazards that define the crazy, dynamic harbour that I work in.
This was a great update video, there's been so many continuing stories in the last month or two. Thank you Sal for continuing to educate us!
You correct the cost of the Polar Security Cutter is crazy. I am concerned USCG is trying to put the capabilities of the National Security Cutter into an Icebreaker, but are still arguing internal what the design should be.
Watching you try to hold your frustration in while describing the problems with the state of USA military maritime readiness is palpable, Sal. I hope your reports are seen by the right people in the right places so as to motivate them to change things for the better! Great job, as always!
As a former MSC mariner, THANK YOU for explaining the manning problem. I wish they would billet to 2.0/2.15 so mariners could work in some training and other requirements like reserve duty in addition to vacation with family. You're right, MSC is a great organization, but the Civilian Mariners are treated like McDonald's cheeseburger wrappers (great at first glance with training and a federal employee benefits class, then quickly disgarded and forgotten once put to sea). Therefore, they vote with their feet if they are financially able to and to have dependents requiring their level of support that keeps them at sea. Thanks again Sal. You're the best!
I have been on large vessels in extreme wind gusts at anchor. The boat would have been knocked on its beam ends. Even if the main saloon sliding door was closed, the force of the knockdown could have forced it open , through its own weight. That is a opening of several square meters. At that point the volume of water entering the main saloon area with subsequent down flooding would have been in the thousands of litres per second. The boat would flood in minutes.
Merchant Marine. Most under rated service. (Along with coast guard) .Thank all you MMs for your service and winning wa❤️❤️🩹💔
Sal, you turned me onto shipping with the DALI. Now you have me hooked - bravo for your expertise !
Treat people like human beings. What a concept. I hope the powers that be are listening.
I've looked in Bayesian sinking. 5 watertight compartments 3 with doors, two without. They go all the way to the main deck.
The keel is always up unless under sail. Supposedly it knocks on the pivot pin if it's down and not under sail. The draft is 12.96' keel up and 31.91' keel down. It doesn't have a bulb on the bottom of the keel. It's class and LY2 compliance is ABS + A1 Yachting Service AMS and it has to meet that with keel up.
I haven't seen stability calculations for this vessel and have seen several different reports. Or how it floats are different angles of heel. But my best guess is that heeled to 90 deg. the salon doors would not be underwater due to the hull shape it appears have. The hull is shaped to greatly increase righting moment as you heel. I've been heeled past 60 deg. on a keel sailboat. The largest heel was on an ILC 46 in a downwind leg. Wind greatly increased after we rounded the windward mark, we had way too big a spinnaker up. It was the first time we were sailing the boat in that much wind. Almost none of the deck was underwater.
This is the page for Bayesian, www.perininavi.it/yacht/2008-bayesian-formerly-salute/. This is the sister ship to Bayesian, www.perininavi.it/yacht/2006-rosehearty/. They have different riggs, Bayesian is a sloop, and Rosehearty is a ketch. The hull is supposed to be the same.
I've heard rumor they will salvage it. Shouldn't be that hard to float it. And they might be able to do stability tests on Rosehearty even before that happens, if it happens.
Excellent comment! I will get picky and state that all sailboats have keels. I think you meant to add "retractable" keel, otherwise known as a centerboard. As I understand, it was the owner's decision, as was his right, to go with the tall sloop rig rather than the ketch rig as the others had. This would absolve the designer of blame.
Riveting as always. Among the Best perspectives on global news. Thank you Sal.
This was a lot ship , I really enjoy all you do thanks
Not only was the sinking of the yacht a tragedy, when Italian prosecuters see a camera they start throwing out charges whether they are appropriate or not. They convicted three geologists for "not" being able to predict an earthquake some years ago to say nothing of Amanda Knox. I hope they don't do this to that crew unless the actually did something wrong. Thank you as always.
@@pixie706 Not strange at all. the sudden storm was in progress before the fatal roll. Many crew would have been on deck, securing all the loose furniture, cushions and equipment. some crew were no doubt on the bridge, which is top of the deck and bridge windows give easy escape access.
There's a little more to the earthquake issue than not being able to predict it. There was a large number of small earthquakes in the area and they reassured the officials that there wasn’t anything to worry about and not be prepared for a larger one.
@@jss27560 That still doesn't justify prosecuting them and putting them in jail. I've known tons of geologists in my life and not one of them would ever claim and earthquake would, or would not happen.
Good comments about the state of US military support shipping. Divided authority and no Buck-stops-here management always results in a mess.
I used to deliver sail boats and taught sail boating using the Soling 27' sloop which was an Olympic class racing sloop using three crew.
It surprises me that this sloop has a retractable keel because of its very large size requiring a very large keel. Retractable keels are used on smaller sail boats that encounter shallow water when transiting in and out of ports. An adjustable keel also affords a sail boat to approach islands and areas of interest that would otherwise prevent the sail boat from coming close to, anchoring, and enjoying the location.
The purpose of a sail boat keel is to create directional stability while under sail. Under power in harbor or in shallow water with the keel up relies on engine power and rudder for directional stability.
When under sail, wind impacts the sails and heels the vessel's masts in the direction of the wind. This raises some of the hull out of the water on the windward side of the boat. Direction becomes an apparent direction when sailing at an angle to the wind.
In any case of wind in the sails, pressure on the keel counteracts wind pressure on sails to keep the vessel from fully keeling over. The rudder also has command in direction while under sail. Wind pressure on the sails crates water pressure on the keel and results in positive pressure, or resistance, by water upon the keel and in a direction that opposes wind direction.
"Airfoil Principle:
The sail, when filled with wind, creates an airfoil shape, similar to an airplane wing. This shape deflects the air downward, generating lift and forward motion. The curved upper surface of the sail, or “cambered” surface, forces the air to flow faster over it than under it, creating a pressure difference. The resulting force, lift, pushes the sailboat forward.
Centerboard or Keel:
To counteract the sideways force of the wind, sailboats have a centerboard or keel underneath the hull. The centerboard is a flat, vertical plate that extends downward from the hull, while the keel is a longer, more curved surface running along the centerline of the boat. As the wind pushes the boat sideways, the flow of water over these underwater surfaces creates an opposing force, lift, which counters the wind’s sideways push."
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Thank you for this video, Sal.
Thank you so much for such a comprehensive video covering all these important topics! Other channels have focused on each of these, but yours is the first with so many details. As for the Navy recruiting and retention, I work in retail, which has a similar issue with high turnover of workers. Worker concerns need addressing everywhere, as with the Canadian railroad workers. I am so glad you covered the sinking of the Bayesian, since this topic has occupied my attention of late. You repeated what other channels have said, but put it all together concisely. I think this was a tragic but preventable accident, which started with the decision to use the unusually tall mast rather than a ketch rig, and the retractable keel, which when combined challenged the crew's ability to handle it in rough weather, and was compounded by the sudden storm, which the crew seems to have been unprepared for. Others too have noted the similarity with the Titan submersible's sinking, both being pet projects of their owners who then drowned in their vessels. Blame for the Bayesian accident can be shared by many, as these types of accidents often are. I appreciate the update on the Gaza pier and the Red Sea attacks. So thanks for this excellent (as always) video!
Thanks for answering the Q about was it necessary to have such a stonking tall mast! Even if I was that rich, would I really want the my yacht to a huge lightening conductor?!! I don't think so - it's a horrible tragedy,... I have heard from the Channel you mentioned, he reported crew were on deck securing everything - but it doesn't seem the passengers were being tended to as all but 1 of the deceased were found in one stateroom which was none of theirs - and it's amazing how a 1-year old survived. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
This sounds left field - but could a DEW cause turbulent air - something like a water spout?
Thanks for the update video.
Being rich just makes it so you can do more dangerous things, planes, boats, all the toys.
As a former USN Sailor, MSC was only way we could what we needed while not seeing a port months apart. I can't remember ever coming alongside and having to break-away due an issue with them not us. Ships are important, but so are those who crew them, leave is so important to the happiness of your sailors, why I went to the mat to support it when I was senior enlisted, to the point of being told it was settled and not in the way I thought it should have been. MSC has had too many managers vice leaders. It almost seems that USCG is trying to run away from building and manning a new icebreaker.
Saying that you CAN NOT DO THE MISSION WITH THIS CRAP is being a true leader.
Why...is everything in and around the Navy these days....so messed up, and has been messed up....and does not appear to be changing towards success ? The Littorals that can only go out when the seas are calm because of their cracks in the aluminum ? Repair yards backed up. Shipyards backed up. Always bad news.
You are so great that I can’t find the words because I am not in your industry but riveted to your stories !
I am surprised you didn't cover the destruction of the Russian Railroad Ferry "Conro Trader" in the Port of Kavkaz in your Top-5 list. This was the last operational Ferry that could deliver fully loaded fuel tanker cars to either the Ports of Kerch or Krym on the Crimean Peninsula. This sinking puts the southern Russian Armies into a huge logistical nightmare because the Kerch bridge cannot support the weight of fully loaded trains coming from mainland Russia due to the damage the doubletracked rail bridge suffered back in the Oct. 2022 truck bomb blast & fire. Only empty train cars can transit the bridge from west-east due to weight limitations and the Railroad Ferries had been used to deliver all of the heavy fuel & ammunition shipments.
The USNS crewing situation is a logistical nightmare for the U.S. Navy and sidelining ships is only going to put more wear & tear on the still operational ones.
And I agree 100% with you let some Nation like Finland build our new Ice Breaker ships, I mean they are a NATO member now and have more experience building ships like this, so it is really a no-brainer.
I had like ten other topics to discuss.
What’s irritating me about the yacht sinking is the boat designer out there blaming the crew within 24 hours it’s just tacky. This looks like it was a freak accident especially if a water spout was involved.
Italian authorities are investigating, maybe manslaughter involved.
Maybe the "freak accident" shouldn't have sunk the ship. Maybe the crew should have been more proactive in securing the ship earlier considering the weather forecast. Tacky doesn't mean that the designer is wrong.
@@lornes7526 According to other channels, the Bayesian had many sister ships from the same designer, but was the only one to be sloop-rigged with a single, ultra-tall mast, rather than ketch-rigged like all the others. The choice of the mast appears to have been the owner's decision, which was certainly his right to make, but his reasons are unknown although possibly justifiable. The designer is not wrong, as you say, but should have been consulted more about the choice of mast.
@vernicethompson4825 It's all going to come out during the investigation. Correspondence between the mast fabricator and boat owner will indicate why the mast was specified to be that height. Myself, I believe it had more to do with functionality than vanity, but if it was vanity, how much did mast height contribute to the sinking? In the long run, incidents like this are caused by one main event, but legislation is created to regulate the billion other insignificant but associated variables attached to it, and that drives me crazy. The experts are going to model this, it's going to be interesting what the final report says.
@@lornes7526 " incidents like this are caused by one main event, but legislation is created to regulate the billion other insignificant but associated variables attached to it"
That is not how that typically works. Yes, there is a 'primary' event which triggers such an event, but for the event to play out the way it did, there are many factors which play a role, and very often, a small change to one of those factors will change the outcome.
Sal, you are the man. Spent my entire Navy career on an AOE when they were still manned by USN. Can't imagine what it would have been like if were USNS manned.
165 crew, 12 stations, 200+ unreps a year
@@MerchantMarineGuy As I recall, on the last cruise we did to the I/O we were 111 uninterrupted days on Gonzo station with the Kitty Hawk and her escorts. We were resupplied in place from fleet oilers and smaller ammo and dry stores ships. We then serviced the others. We saw each of the ships on average every 3 days. In addition to the near non-stop unreps, we also conducted almost constant vertreps with the CH46s. I don't know how many total ships we serviced on that cruise, but considering we carried 10.5 million gallons of DFM and JP5 and up to 2000 tons of ammo and dry stores we moved one helluva lot.
@@Pearly44-nm7kn AOEs are incredibly capable
Thanks for the updates Sal. I really appreciate you staying on top of global shipping and keep us informed. and I _really_ appreciate that you are constantly beating the drum regarding our nation's sealift capabilities (or lack thereof). You are doing great work.
Great report Sal. These are difficult times
I went through two very bad storms in the navy and was lucky to get home.
I didn’t believe that the “unsubscribe” thing was real until I got unsubscribed from Unsubscribe.
I've been close to three waterspouts in my life, all in Florida. The first time I set foot on Cape Canaveral AFS, as we were crossing the Banana River, TWO waterspouts touched down in the river when we driving across the Causeway. The third one was at New Smyrna Beach and it was simply moving from the sea to the shore cross the Inland Waterway. The only point to make here is that, on both occasions, they were VERY localized. On the Banana River, I observed that there was little, if any, turbulence on either shore. So, a direct hit on the yacht was a very low probability event, IMO.
It is shocking, distressing, and emotional to consider and cover so thank you and eSysMan always for reasoned, calm, experienced coverage of maritime's many elements.
More good stuff here. I found your channel from Super Yacht News. I found that during the early days of the Ukraine war, when he was describing the situation with sanctioned super yachts generally going dark on AIS, fleeing to the middle East or Indian Ocean haunts, or being arrested in ports. It was an interesting time.
I've found your channel to have a bit of a wider coverage and relevance to the modern world and shipping is more relatable than the lives of the 0.1% and those who serve them.
Always enjoy the round up videos, Thanks.
I watch super yachts and he is excellent. Between the two of you I don't know how you can't be kept up.
On the yacht incident, some accounts are leaning towards a Microburst having hit the vessel, which makes even more sense than the spout as far as being forced over from the mast is concerned. no crew anywhere can outwork something like that. it's too much in an instant. ask pilots.
I worked at HP at the time of the Autonomy acquisition (Mike Lynch's AI company) so the Bayesian sinking was like a blast from my past. While I do think that Lynch and co engaged in shenanigans to inflate the value of that company, I also think that Apotheker's HP was so desperate to do a deal that they willfully ignored an abundance of warning signs. Autonomy's story was literally too good to be true. They were claiming to be able to do things that are bleeding edge for OpenAI and co today, all the way back in 2011.
I had a colleague with deep AI experience who predicted at the time the deal closed that HP would ultimately have to recognize a $9B goodwill writedown out of a total deal value of $11B. The actual writedown a couple years later was $8.8B. Of course she ultimately rose to be the CTO at a major company.
Bleeding edge in the media: If it bleeds, it leads. It's a bloodbath not unlike Mark Cuban's take on cryptocurrency VC
House rules for every casino: the only way to beat the rug is to be the rug
There's a Constitutional difference between the US and Canada on how national labour issues are regulated. The story is even more complex than Sal is reporting, albeit in all fairness to Sal, who's being vastly more fair on this than many even in Canada, most Canadians not in the industry are also unaware of the difference.
Since links get scrubbed from RUclips comments, Google: "Federal labour board orders rail workers back on the job, imposes binding arbitration" for an in-depth look at this. This quote is key:
"The Teamsters union challenged the government's move, but the board on Saturday said the tribunal had no authority to decide whether the minister's directive was valid."
I suspect Sal has been perusing CBC and other Cdn media on this, as some are hosting deep legal examinations on the topic.
We really need to address the houthi as an issue for the modern world and countries that want to live in modern world trade. I really think that since the news cycle is Ukraine and Israel they can ignore the red sea.
With the Gaza pier, they really should have established a beach head if they wanted to go that route. I know they didnt want troops on the ground, but the method they gave those soldiers and sailers to work with was doomed for failure.
I just took three weeks of classes to start my maritime career in Florida and everyone knows about MSC as a great way to get started in your career and most of them by the time they get enough sea time to become able seamen etc, they jump ship and go. You see this in manufacturing companies as well. You get a bunch of kids from school to come weld for cheap and turn and burn them out, then scoop up the next class but you never keep any experience in your company.
Thanks, Sal! Your stressing of the real issues is a true service to the community.
From any sailor's point of view , even a dingy sailor , I am sure the first question we would ask is " was the keel up or down " and what openings were open or closed .
Actually as a former dinghy sailor my first response was "oh ****! A WATERSPOUT in the Med?!??". That's almost unheard of, if not unprecedented. I only heard about them in oceans before. That's terrifying beyond the relatively small tragedy of this yacht. Nothing escapes a waterspout apart from the good fortune of not being in it's unpredictable path
Sal, THANK YOU for being a valid resource for news about the many aspects of marine subjects: history, shipping and naval military things. 👍🏼
Two things overseen here!! 1.) The ship was in an anchoring ground withe a lot over other smaller vessels. There is a video of the "storm" hitting, showing a 40-50 ft catamaran beeing LIFTED completely in the air , then flipped over completely over its bow, which means lengthwise, not sideways. Such a vessel have weight between 10 and 20 tons. No damage reported from all the other vessels. Conclusion : Waterspout, a very very confined situation with huge upward violent sucking air, hitting within seconds and having nothing to do with the "storm" around. Second: All doors and hatches on a yacht are constructed to withstand from outside hitting forces like wind or waves. They are not constructed to withstand fro m outside PULLLING forces with such violent might , that can lift a 10 to twenty tons vessel out the water completely. 3. The crew might have been on deck in process of securing loose things, doors and hatches, maybe not having competed the whole process, when the spout hit. That is a process within seconds, not a developing situation of an upcoming and forecasted storm.
I take a drink and check a bingo square every time Dr. Sal says “babel mandab.” I came for the international commerce and maritime knowledge. I stay for bingo …and all I have to say is “BINGOMANDAB!”
Thanks for the nod to esysman, am sure he feels reciprocally. You both are go to.
I enjoyed this VLOG very much, thaks Sal.
Of course the Italian builder of Bayesian invokes the aid of the Italian prosecutors to cast blame on the crew of the ship, to avoid being held to account himself. "The best defense is a good offense."
With the keel down the max heel in the 70 degree range, with it up it’s just less than 90 degrees. Therefore once it’s heeled 90 degrees it will not recover
Great update Sal, once again you have provided a thorough, intelligent perspective and a deep level of coordinated information.
I predict the Bayesian will be salvaged, for this situation easy enough to do. Heavy cables are dragged under the hull using two tugs pullin the parallel ends along. Then either a large floating crane can lit, or air lifting bags are attached and up she comes. The mast gets cut away, the hull is turned upright, and the wreck gets floated inot a floating drydock. Upon rebuild, the replacement mast will be properly sized, likely somewhere around 100 feet. She will go just as fast with sail on a 100-footer as on this 247-foot monster. As to the question of how the crew resonds to the forecast of this heavy storm front: engage the engine and sail and steam at full power to the North, "Get out of Dodge!" go hide at Naples or try for Genoa. Never sit with you boat where you are going to get clobbered.
This was a super great update video, great job.
You missed the ship related rail story: a cargo ship grounded in the St-Lawrence Seaway blocking other freight that had been moved off of trains onto ships because of the strike.
That ship dislodged this am (Sat) - so no real impact.
138-meter Dutch vessel Heemskerkgracht was carrying scrap steel - not a rail issue - but blocked ships that were carrying cargo re-routed from rail.
Watching the Vessel tracker discovered an 18m boat called: Millenium Faucon.
(Yes that translates to Han's ship).
Great stuff, Sal. What would you think about making the oilers and support vessels back under the US Navy?
Im a truck driver and love Sams show, everything's very interesting at 🌊.
Awsome Sam.
One other comment. I was a guest several times on my parent’s BFF’s small yacht (80 ft) .
Each time before we began our adventure, the owner would do a walk through of the boat’s safety equipment and how to launch of the life raft. Every time! I loved it! Such a responsible owner.
Even in Mexico when we went out with other guests on day cruises, everyone needed to know the same things! All the other guests laughed but went on the tour anyway! 👍
Being it was the first yacht I was ever on, I felt safe on open water.
turns out that nowadays, yachts in this price range have lifeboats that are automatically deployed into the water. the mechanism that releases them is triggered by coming in contact with water.
Thanks Sal. I have learned so much about the importance of Maritime events after coming across your channel. Keep up the good work
Thanks for the updates Sal
This video just flew past, felt like about 10 minutes. Great content and entertaining presentation by Sal.
Yar I was over at eSysman, a decent channel.
Thankyou Teacher. 🙏
Sal, Sometimes an uncomfortable analysis of the situation is needed to get needed actions to occur. I thank you for your honesty and perceptive observations. Now, if only the "right" people could be prodded into remedying this problem.
Probably the best programe on shipping you can get.
Sal is ON IT. Follow him for all things marine shipping Outstanding!
I did not realize that this ship was essentially a modern "tall ship".
The IJN, watching the Bayesian do a permament half-barrel roll and dive: "That's some Tomozuru level of idiocy, baka yarou..."
Excellent recap, Sal. Let's just hope the Red Sea doesn't turn into a giant, slick oil patch.
Cheers.
Pertaining to your 'Gaza pier update'......... ROE (Rules Of Engagement), the DoD 'hamstrung' our capability to provide needed to supply/resupply, by 'politicians'......thus extremely limiting our respose (just like the .gov issues, during Vietnam.
If you were there, you did the best with what you had. A recruiter will only give you the Hollywood version
Guy spent 2 years in Navy, went AWOL spent next 2 in Leavenworth. Said Leavenworth was 100x better than the broken ship, moved the same distance.
If you remember the replacement of the USCG seagoing bouy tenders. The design to replace the 50+ year old 180’s in the 1990’s . A design that was ready had to be scrapped as a result of the Exxon Valdez oil spill so an oil recovery system was required by US law passed after the Valdez spill. That delayed and added to the replacement cost. That requirement, I believe is no longer used.
The USCG Polar Star and Polar Sea were built in Seattle in the 1970s. Too much shipbuilding is being funneled into the Gulf Coast. Look at what happened to Eastern Shipbuilding post Hurricane Michael.