Unintended Consequences - Montana Grizzly Bears
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- What are bears doing way out in these flat ranchland prairie's of Montana?
The mountain areas around Glacier National Park and the Bob Marshall Wilderness is full of bears. As bear populations still continue to increase, an unintended consequence is that these flat prairie's that don't typically call bears home are beginning to fill in with grizzly bears.
SCI Foundation got on the ground with local ranchers, state biologists, and local hunting groups to better understand this situation. What we found to be most immediately impactful is finding ways to reduce Human-Bear conflicts (for the good of humans and for the good of bears).
Lewis and Clark recorded grizzly bear encounters as far east as South Dakota. So this doesn't surprise me they would thrive on the plains.
Large predators, whether they be bears, cougars, wolves, or alligators, need to understand that all humans, even little children, are dangerous. The only way to get that point across are hunting seasons, targeting such predators. Not enough hunting to wipe them out, but enough to make them fear getting anywhere near humans.
Oh, B.S. We have already hunted these "dangerous" animals to the verge of extinction. The most dangerous predator on this planet - by far - is the human being. That distinction is not even close. It is long past time that we changed our attitude toward the Natural World. We have done enough damage. How's about we try getting along with the rest of the animal kingdom for a change?
p.s. Wolves DO NOT attack humans if they are not provoked by said humans, by the way. Just so you know.
When cougar were hunted, they were difficult to ever see and thought to be scarce. Once hunting ceased, cougars lost their fear of humans and suddenly cougar were everywhere...they were never as scarce as once thought.
@@rocksandoil2241 Is that statement based on a study by Game & Fish or some other scientific body? Or is it simply your opinion? My understanding's the the range the cougar population has expanded dramatically since the hunting season on them was reduced.
Yes. There are more cougars in the world today. And that is a good thing, I believe.
... and if people see them acting "tame" don't give them food or hang around, they'll get used to human presence. People making "friends" with wild animals are doing them a misservice.
@@clayoreilly4553 they on occasion kill humans and when they become injured or ill they will go after pets and small children . I guess your entitled to think thats a good thing .
"Protected status caused unintended consequences". Who could have possibly seen that coming? DUH....
Kind of like the inner cities.
Up around Choteau, Montana, train cars loaded with grain would occasionally derail and spill their loads beside the tracks. Then it would rain. Then the grain started to cook and ferment. Then, the grizzly bears found the grain and made a habit of coming out from the Rocky Mountain Front to lap up some designer barley brews.
@horace sheffield I rode horseback off the South Fork of the Teton years ago and got an up close look at a grizzly. When Lewis and Clark passed The Great Falls near Great Falls, Montana, they were treed by a great "white bear," which is what they called mature silver-tip grizzlies.
My uncle lives in Choteau. They are grizzly bears everywhere. Years ago. Really wasn't that big a deal but now the whole area is overrun with grizzlies. It's nothing for him to be outside and to see a bear in his front yard. They need to bring back the hunting season for grizzlies.
@@masonsmith1198 Yup. Pretty hard to run cows with bears in every patch of brush.
Sorry, I don't agree with a lot of what is presented here, our farm is sixty miles south east of Valier, and the bears are causing problems east of us. I'm 4th generation farmer/rancher, and I will guarantee you that a grizzly, killing livestock in my ancestors yard, would end up being DEAD. Now I'm not saying they should all be shot, but they should be hunted, and have the fear of man put back in 'em. They're really cute when you don't have to worry about running into one when you are just going to the barn or the chicken house. That gal at the end of the video probably doesn't raise sheep in or near Dupuyer. She might feel different if her little boy ended up being carried off just because he was playing basketball out in the driveway some night. The grizzlies were prairie animals when Lewis and Clark came through here, so if we have to go back to the early 1800's in Montana, I think everybody east of the Mississippi should go back to that period also. The same goes for wolves BTW.
Hear, hear.
Ranching in the Rocky Mountains is a dangerous business, if your not ready to accept the risk move to florida
I’m a 62 year old California boy had a gold Claim in the Sierra Nevada grew up fishing and huntin we don’t have Grizzlies but. Had my little dog eaten in my front yard a few years ago by coyotes. I live in the SanFrancisco Bay Area in a water shed area. Varmints, wolfs bears etc need to have a fear of man and need to be managed very carefully or they get out of hand. In the last few years I have taken 14 coyotes just in the yard around me. Like you sad they have no fear and no ones keeping them in check. I couldn’t Imagine keeping my head on the swivel looking for grizzly .
She is with Safari Clubs International. She would not disagree with you that they need to be hunted. SCI completely understands the concept of good stewardship through managed hunting. As I'm sure you are aware, that's not possible with grizzly right now. Therefore, they are doing what is possible to at least try to help those dealing with them. It is not her fault nor her lack of understanding. Its our politicians and bureaucrats that are ignorant and have their heads where the sun don't shine.
Cry Baby Karen can't deal with real life trials.
Here in north Idaho shorty after the wolves were brought in from northern Canada the elk stoped going up to the mountains in the summer. 5 years ago grizzlies have moved out of the mountains and now have moved down to the farm country.
Crazy the problems they make trying to save things mother nature put in a balance
@@mazlosoutdooradventures8594 Trouble is, Mother Nature didn't count on humans migrating so heavily into the bear territory.
@@vdpeer you mean like the bison used to. Or the Carrier pigeon.
@@mazlosoutdooradventures8594 Part of that balance is humans having dominion over animals. Dont like that fact? Cry to "Mother nature". "She" made it that way.
@@mazlosoutdooradventures8594 Mother Nature put what in balance? Man is the problem always has been always will be.
Have a season on them to get the population back into the wilderness areas, not out in the ranch land. Too many bears and Too many wolves.
Too many than get off your ass and ride your range like your supposed to instead of watching porn on your Chinese made phone.
... or too many ranchers / farmers / homeowners. Not taking sides, just looking at both. One of my pet peeves is people "making friends" with wild animals, giving them food, trying even to pet them, building shelters, etc. Let wild be wild.
Minnesota wolves are all the moose. Deer hunting in the north half of state is slim Pickens these days. Pretty sad, pretty bad.
@@barnfind1243 So is that a scientific statement or just one you slur out your mouth after drinking for 9 hours straight?
@@Mr.Filson misspelled the word ate all the moose. No it's true wolves have done real damage here. I don't drink either by the way.
The voters are in the big cities, and insist they dictate the predator populations that we rural people suffer the consequences of…!!
Maybe us rural folks should be able to make all the laws in the big cities. See how they like that!
It has gotten completely CRAZY ! We don’t need big populations of apex predators!!
I agree ....can't imagine living in a place where you could step out of your vehicle and be eaten by a grizzly. Seriously you'd need to carry a 357 magnum for personal protection and even that may not do the trick.
Here’s a wild idea how about we manage the population so they don’t have to spread out
Remarkable how people who live in these areas general attitudes differ from those who don’t that sit in their apartments and watch nature docos.
Like here at home with sharks, so many who never or rarely surf are all about how beautiful and scarce these big white sharks are cause some tv show told them so .
What is remarkable is the bunny huggers that think humans are removed from the food chain.
last I checked bears were there 1st. if you don't like bears there's plenty of places to move that are bear free.
@@ericstandefer9138 Well, no. We can save you a bunny. Everything else has to go tho.
@@deangood6682I WOULD TAKE THESE BEARS OVER CHGO SOUTH SIDE ANY DAY OF THE WEEK OVER 20 PEOPLE KILLED IN 4 DAYs OF 4th July and over 100 SHOT
Bruh ran into a griz in glacier last week they want nothing to do with you and are way more chill and safe to see than any asshole with a big truck on the highway
Here’s an idea, let’s introduce 50 grizzly bears into New York’s Central Park and tell the libs to just get along.
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And California.
Wolves too
Now why would they do that when they can just endanger all of us deplorables in Montana Wyoming and Idaho.
The consequences may have been unintended but they certainly should not have been unexpected. They grew the population on purpose. Where did they expect the bears to go? This is indicative of groups thinking they are doing the right thing but who have myopic and tunnel vision. It should never have gotten out of hand in the first place.
By “in the first place”, you’re referring to the wholesale slaughter of any animal that we decide is in our way, or whose hide is worth money. There’s an example of group-think…without thinking at all. When we try to remedy a situation that has been thrown out of balance, there are going to be issues like this.
If people would stop destroying nature’s processes, we wouldn’t need to play the role of nature to repair it.
So are bikers and campers at a lot more risk these days?
This is there new scam, introduce preditors then let them over populate and the Hurd animals pay the price. 80% of Hurd animal calfs going to grizzly and wolf's. Caribou herds down 75% and moose getting hard to find. Last time I hunted Alaska we flew lowland slow 250 miles and not a moose to be seen, we hunted 10 days and saw one cow moose, being chased by a wolf pack. If one is unlucky enough to see wolf' pack bring down a moose, it is upsetting at best. One wolf on the nose one on the tail while the rest tare stomach open and intestines wrapped around the brush. I have seen them hunt to train the young, not out of hungar, will eat the unborn embryo and the tongue and leave the rest, if a human did this it would be hell to pay. Like all states they tend to raise prices of license and tags to pay for all this mismanagement,,,,,, revolting
One more non fact pattern data misinformant
@@Mr.Filson Have you researched the Caribou hurd counts in Alaska? When they outlawed Arial wolf hunting in Alaska the wolf populations exploded. Kinda like hunting with dogs in Oregon, cougar soverpopulated to the point of having to close a grade school because of a 200lb cat on the playground. Grant County Oregon loosing cattle to wolves now.. People are learning why we got rid of them once before.
@@Mr.Filson Did you research the fact pattern data or just not wanting to be wrong. Do let me know what it is that's classified misinformation besides reading your comment. If you have a mirror you might be able to find the misinformant, but I have doughts.
@@Ivan-pl2it Yes I have been for some as it is part of my employment, your more than welcome to DM me and I will be happy to send you the information.
We had grizzlies in the lower 48 but we could not live with them. We just have to decide how many people we allow them to eat. The longer they are preserved, without hunting pressure , the less fear they will have and there will be bears that have to be destroyed.
"How many People we allow them to eat?" What are you talking about? Grizzlies aren't eating people willy nilly. Yes, their numbers need to be properly managed, but ridiculous fear mongering claiming that they're eating people by the dozen doesn't help anything. I live 15 minutes from Glacier National park and have spent decades hunting and hiking in northwest Montana and I've yet to ever have trouble with a grizzly
@@horacesheffield7367 Yes. It was a very rough country when we won it. You stand on the shoulders of giants to criticize the view. Feed your bears but watch your fingers.
Simple solution hunting permits for grizzly
Regulate numbers
Reduce the number of bears but maintain a healthy population
That’s how hunting works
You can’t let apex predators numbers spiral out of control or it affects the entire ecosystem
Montana has proven they are not responsible to manage and will sabotage delisting
@brad,
Are you referring to inner cities?
Sounds like it might be time for a limited bear hunt along the fringes of their mountainous ranges. How else do you achieve “balance”?
There is no balance. Balance is something people talk about who don’t have a bear in their back yard or eating their dog or killing their livelihood. The balance is humans are the dominate predator and we have to eliminate our competition just like any animal would. Bears don’t live in balance with wolves or elk. Bears will kill as much as they can and claim as much territory as they can. They’re just not as good at it as we are.
Quit trying to play GOD there is no such thing as Balance
Balance? There are 330 million Americans and maybe a 1000 grizzlies. Tell me about balance again?
Your exactly right, there needs to be some Limited Entry Hunts. We are across the line about 10 miles in Southern Alberta. Bears don't respect that border and there are getting to be quite a few around on the open farmland.
Don’t hunt them, move them. You hillbillies.
The consequences may be unintended, but they were not unpredictable.
Delist and responsibility manage accordingly to carrying capacity
Zero input from people who don’t live in Grizzly county should be taken
You can’t swing a dead cat here in Wyoming without hitting a grizzly bear. They are expanding their territory through out Idaho, Montana and Wyoming.
And in Minnesota you can’t swing a dead cat by the tail without hitting at least one timber wolf. The moose population is crashing but the huggers don’t care as long as their precious wolves are left to multiply unimpeded.
I feel for you and your wildlife, we are going through the same thing here in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. At least we have a hunting season. Hopefully, you will as well SOON.
I feel for you and your wildlife, we are going through the same thing here in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. At least we have a hunting season. Hopefully, you will as well SOON.
I feel for you and your wildlife, we are going through the same thing here in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. At least we have a hunting season. Hopefully, you will as well SOON.
I feel for you and your wildlife, we are going through the same thing here in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. At least we have a hunting season. Hopefully, you will as well SOON.
This is a classic example of conservation run amok. Anytime you have a state or government agency involved this is what happens. They will never say they have reached their goal because they are always looking for next year’s budget and to justify their jobs. That’s why they are up to their ass’s in bears
Enlighten me, are you the wise one who determines the goal here? The goal is human bear/wildlife coexistence, so there needs to be constant work done. You are fed up with animals causing a bit of trouble, however I am fed up with people acting like terrorists around our planet, decimating wildlife, developing tracts of land and stealing it from its original inhabitants. Who is the real problem maker animals or people? 330 million people in a country where only a few 100 000 lived before, 30 million buffalo then but no more. Compare the number of people to the number of bears and you see who is in power here and who is the suppressed. We are not the only species worth of thriving and wildlife does not have to be beneficial to us and serve our needs, it has its own worth.
@@obiwahndagobah9543 😂 Welcome to civilization son
@@Mike-tu7uw In other civilzed places oeope manage to live with this. However Americans, Germans, Brits and French are all whiney about it. At least we Germans are getting used to wolves. Most people in rich countries are spoiled brats, when it comes to live with wildlife😉. Welcome to reality.
@@Mike-tu7uw You think it has to be this way because you kack imagination and knowledge how to do it better.
@@obiwahndagobah9543 I’m sure you are. But you missed my point. I don’t know how it is in Germany but here state and federal agencies are like fungus, they feed off themselves. Welcome to reality.
anything or anyone that threatens my family or livestock will stay here. I don't care if they are protected. my family and livestock are more important. I protect them and I have a backhoe. and I know how to use it.
If I were a rancher this bear issue would be handled internally.
(1) Dig deep whole.
(2) Shoot
(3)Bury
(4) Shutup, never happened.
This past summer in the Matanuska Valley of Alaska, a grizzly wandered a 30+ mile area, killing and decimating chickens, and turkeys being raised by locals. It took 3 weeks before the bear was finally sighted during the daylight hours and dispatched by AK Fish and Game.
Is that near anchorage?
@@lloydpulver2104 it's northwest of Anchorage. Look on a map for Palmer, north to Talkeetna. That's the Matsu Valley.
In Nome when we raised our children there grizzly bears and polar bears in town and at the schools were not uncommon occurrences. When we lived in the Mat Valley it was quite common for a grizzly or a black bear to walk through our yard right next to the house.
@@lloydpulver2104 Matanuska is near Anchorage. Separated by the Matanuska River, Knik River, Knik arm, and Chugach Mountains. Less than a 20 mile stretch between Palmer and Eagle River (Anchorage outlier). The hole Matsu-Susitna are is huge. Lots of "homesteads", rivers. lakes, and wilderness.
Carcass piles should exist. Sustain the dead . Silly
You need to start blasting them, spring bear hunt
Probably better grizzly habitat than when the native Americans were running the show. Grain crops and livestock that doesn’t migrate provide a good source of food. There are villages to be raided without the danger of being stuck full of arrows!
The native Americans were not running a show. Hand to mouth, and raids on each other kept them pretty occupied.
Bear management in Montana since I can remember 60-70s has been a colossal failure. Wolves, the same. All political. Not scientific. All very sad for everyone involved.
Being sentient bears learn. They learn from experience and that includes being scolded by mamma who has learned that humans are a threat to be avoided. Or from very nasty encounters with humans where they have a chance to learn avoidance attitudes. In Montana they are not learning that and therefore that learning is not being communicated. Rather I think, from the number of bear attacks on humans, a different sort of lesson is bein learned. The wilds are not their home, they do not have homes. They are not protecting their belongings. I love seeing grizzly bears in the wild. But I love more the notion that if we are in close proximity of each other they fear me and keep their claws and jaws to themselves.
The number of attacks reflects the constantly growing number of people going into the "wilderness" to live and /or recreate.
@@CastleMc exactly! Too many damn people. Humans are the most numerous large mammals in the world. As a species we need to learn how to control our crotches! Less ranchers raising cows. Some ranchers could reinvent themselves as wildlife emissaries, taking down fences, helping to bring back the Beavers, wolves and large herds of wild ungulates.
can I use your comment elsewhere ??????
Hunting is the solution !!! No need to go to Alaska and could be more affordable, brings revenue to the state. Hunting teaches predators that human are dangerous and to be avoided.
I love Montana. My elder Daughter lived there for 16 years. We had many wonderful vacations there with her. I hope that Montanans will keep their State beautiful and wild for the foreseeable future. After all... Montana truly is The Last, Best Place.
Your opening text states that these prairie bears are the result of recovery in the Yellowstone Ecosystem. Might consider revising that for accuracy -- with no documented movement of Yellowstone Ecosystem bears into the areas you're highlighting, we have to assume that these prairie grizzlies came from the Northern Continental Divide Ecosystem.
Good catch, thanks for that! That must have slipped through as we're usually working down closer to Wyoming. Luckily the audio in the video, and the description of the video on RUclips are accurate (that these bears are a result of the recovery around Glacier National Park & Bob Marshall Wilderness), but good catch on the opening paragraph in the video. While the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem has also had a similar recovery and expansion of grizzly bears, those bears are not traveling up to Northern Montana.
@@scifoundation-videos like the wolves from Idaho (with color-coded radio collars) weren't ending up in Polson, Montana?
Like there are NO grizzlies, wolves or mountain lions on the floor of the Flathead Valley?
If you took an oath when you accepted your federal, state or local government employment, please go back and read it.
I, also, took that oath, and I very DISTINCTLY remember the quiet part that says "solemnly swear to preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the United States of America."
Let me know when that sinks in.
I remember about 40 years ago there was a story told about a deal to send grizzly bear to Minnesota. The story ended with Minnesota saying "Okay but you get back timber wolves in trade for the bear...pound for pound". We were seeing wolves in western Montana several years before they were "officially released" in Yellowstone. FYI The elk population in Yellowstone was 20,000 pre wolf. Now less than 2000...but grasses and brush is growing back...
Watch Colorado Elk population get decimated
And the flowers!
The number of Elk always fluctuates between winter and summer. The Summer population is still anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000. In winter a large number of the Elk leave off the park, usually leaving 4,000 to 7,000 in the park.
Wolves have restored Yellowstone National Park almost all by themselves. Proven fact. Of course, Nature's Engineers, the beavers, followed them in and started doing large-scale construction, as well.
@@horacesheffield7367 can’t shoot that far huh?
bear tags.. Hunting a limited amount might help things a bit.
Can we maybe drop one on the WH lawn ?
It sounds as if, moving forward, everyone involved is using good common sense to see that we can still keep the bears and still look out for everyone’s safety and property. Best wishes to the people and wildlife of the great state of Montana. I’ve always enjoyed visiting.
Very good tutorial here on bear management efforts in Montana. Everyone should view and share.
In my State our Dept. of CONSERVATION. Manages wildlife populations according to "carry capacity" Only so many of any particular species can occupy a certain space. This is regulated by Harvesting the excess population. (Hunting) It is a win win. It makes for healthy
sustainable population numbers. Overpopulation of any animal species also leads to desease which is natures way of reducing population.
Read Lewis and Clark expedition journals. Fascinating where they did and didn't see wildlife.
Explain please?!
@@bobbysnow5478 many of the animals that are pretty much mountain dwellers now, used to be plains animals. Elk and bear for instance.
But Lewis and Clark nearly starved to death in what is now the panhandle of Idaho due to lack of game. Now elk, deer, and turkey are abundant in that area due mostly to logging and then farming opening up the forested areas and providing plenty of food for them.
Back when Montana was a territory and even early in their statehood the capital was paying $8 per bear scalp. This similar practice was on several other animals from the bear all the way down to squirrels, a bounty was paid. The times have sure changed!
Put a hunting season on them. Bear's good eatin'!!!
I have eaten grizzly and black bear. If I ever go after either of them again I will pack them out and you can come get it.
Killed Jesse Chisholm
@@interrestrial9815 Right it's nasty full of worms and bacteria grossest stuff ever.
the state needs to start selling bear tags. and allowing ranchers to shoot "problem" bears.
Great video! Thanks SCI and FWP.
Thank you
The ego, and audacity of man, never ceases to baffle and amaze me! Balance? He better be careful what he asking for, as it is obviously not what he seeks. I hope he gets exactly the balance he has requested, so he can understand just how beneficial that would be.
Ranchers don't want to face the fact that their predecessors wiped the bears out of the area to make way for their cattle.
Born and raised in Great Falls, Montana. Never saw grizzly bears outside of Glacier and The Bob Marshall Wilderness.
They’re expanding their territory and have been seen in Ulm, Mt. 12 miles South of Great Falls.
Montana Fish and Game said Grizley bear country is anywhere West of Billings.
Numbers need to be manages.
Instead of constantly fighting the ever encroaching wild life they should trap the problematic ones and hunt more to keep numbers thin.
how about hunt them and manage them wisely....the grizzly numbers are grossly "underestimated"....as someone who lives on the front i know this first hand....when you see 13 at a time...its time to thin them out. many of my friends ranch on the front and the number of bears they have to contend with is ridiculous
I'm glad for the work being done to coexist with wildlife.
Thanks, ✌🏻👊
Bears were here first and then humans come along and say too many bears. Nope, too many people. Jay S.
This is why I carry a large caliber revolver when I go pheasant hunting in Montana.
My pistol is a medium-caliber -- .300bo AR with twenty-pound maga-zines (plural).
They need to be thinned. Yes. I don’t want to see them go to low but they need to be in the mountains. People who have never been near them….don’t understand. If you get a rogue bear…..they are something else. They are or can be a killing machine. I was in the military and I have been in situations where I have been scared and feared for my life. Outside of a lion….I would put these two in the same category….nothing and I mean nothing scares me more than stumbling accidentally in to a grizzly. You don’t stand a chance….not if he really and truly wants you? Shoot him? Sure if you see him coming and….if you do? It damn well better be vital and quick. The folks that live there know but for you that don’t..there speed…their real, all out speed will shock you. A first class, top of the food chain, majestic and scary as hell beast.
Federal Judge Dana Christensen blocked the ability of controlled hunting of Grizzlies in Montana, Idaho and Wyoming which was intended to maintain the balance of bears to people.
That's a misrepresentation of the Judges findings and writ
@@Mr.Filson Please elaborate. We would like to hear your thesis.
@@bonjovi2757 read the finding yourself like I did, it’s not my writ it’s the Judges. You got any more smart ass comments?
Amen to the program to manage/keep the bears in existence with the aid of SCI.
We need to start transplanting some of these bears back to places they used to be , the Colorado Rockies for one.
@matt,
How many are you moving?
How much cash are you donating?
Great Folk in MT. Great Country.
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Would bears share their territory with us?
There is a reason our ancestors got rid of the Grizzly Bears, and it's time to start again .
People made a lot of dumb irresponsible and unfixable mistakes back then. Should we just wipe out the bison again too? How polluting the great lakes with industrial waste and logging every tree in sight. I'm not against hunting but wiping out species and taming the wilderness ain't right either.
Just wait until these guys start seeing wild boars invading their fields. They'll wish the Grizzlies were back then.
I'm surprised that electric fences protect bee hives from grizzly bears, they sure don't deter our little (by comparison) black bears. Once they know what is in a hive, they gladly walk right on through. Some of the bee yards around here look more like WWII prison camps, with multiple layers of protection.
Done right, and maintained properly, electric fencing keeps any species of bears out - including polar bears from arctic landfills. If a bears getting into electric fence, something is wrong with the set up.
The right thing to do is to manage them in a responsible way, and the keep the numbers where you can deal with them. When you have to put a fence around the school to keep the Bears out, it might be time to eliminate. Some of these bears Montana could have a special draw Where people can buy a ticket and hope that they get drawn to take one of these bears because sooner or later, one of these Bears is going to figure out how to get beyond that fence at that school, and then there will be hell to paid I live in Alberta just north of the Montana border. We had a grizzly with two cubs just west of Calgary and Calgary is over 1 million people so we know what you’re dealing with down there.
Yeah, it all sounds great from my sofa in Bournemouth UK.
Thanks so much for all of your hard work it’s so good to see people who care so and work so hard for such a great cause . Even though I live in Louisiana it means a lot to me.
Grizzly bear roamed west coast Seattle to east coast somewhere. South to Mexico and north to the pole. Colonization is obvious and folks lay claims based on 20 or 100 years of experience. 10k years or more of bear habitat doesn't quit because ranchers are present.
Making decisions by what life was like before is a terrible precedent.
@@robertdouglas8895 like following a constitution?
Great video that showed all sides of the issue and most importantly showed the solutions so we can have our cake and eat it too. Humans are so smart that we can reintroduce predators to the ecosystem and create extremely low incidence rates. In wolf country having the right dog breeds is sufficient enough of a deterrent for protecting humans and livestock
Good Job SCI!
Great work!
Montana looks very beautiful
Montana is full. Try North Dakota.
@@jaredallen1149 Spoken like a true transplant. Gaz of-the-North was just being nice and complimenting on how Montana appears to be, Sheech!
@@k1j2f30 transplant?
Pfffft.
Spoken like a true Karen... often wrong but seldom in doubt.
My hometown is now over 100,000 californicators, nobody dares to wave like we all used to, cuz you're liable to get shot, there's a stoplight to get into the lake, the cops all have their attitudes and their jackboots on and the drug problem here looks like south-central L.A. used to in the 1980s.
If you live here and you're offended- move out, cuz you are the problem.
If you want to live here and you are offended - don't bother looking for a place here.
There aren't any left, and the cost of living is higher than Minneapolis... but the wages are lower than Kentucky.
If I wanted any more assholish attitudes, I would drive down the mountain and look for any of the countless attitudes trying desperately to drive in the snow with 60 series lowrider bald-ass highway tires and their bumping stereos blasting eardrums from 3 miles away in the beautiful almost-silence that lives here no more.
Bye, Felicia.
@@jaredallen1149
America is full.
Migrate south, plenty of room in Mexico!
@@k1j2f30 I've lived here since Thanksgiving day, 1972.
And you?
Great work.
In my area a dead animal is completely gone in 24-48 hours. Wild pigs eat everything
I happen to live in one of these so called wilderness areas, the problem is people's perception of wilderness. Forrest land isn't the same thing, but if you live in a major city where 20 acres of trees is considered a forest you might think 25 square miles is a wilderness. A hell of a lot of people live in so called wilderness areas. If you want to experience a wilderness go up to the Yukon or the north west territory.
I believe the Bob Marshall Wilderness complex is a few more than 25 square miles. The Bob is over one million acres by itself and add the Great Bear and Scapegoat You have an area as big as Rhode Island. So your so called Wilderness of 25 square miles is indeed quite a joke!
@@stevencroon what I'm referring to is Michigan's upper peninsula, an area of just over 16000 square miles, but typically there isn't even 25 uninhabited square miles, yet state and federal entities refer to it as wilderness.
I have NO problem with eradicating all grizzly bears.
“I’m not against having bears in the world. I don’t want them all to disappear. We could have two or three in a zoo somewhere. Maybe.”
Vote to allow hunting grizzly bears for their sake and ours.
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I had no idea that grizzlies could live in the plains. So they were likely there when buffalo roamed
Don't waste those carcasses. I do not know if the landfill where the dead cattle are going is doing this, but, one should compost those bodies and create a higher quality soil for your farms and gardens.
How many bears may one hunt?
Bigger Picture:
* During the remainder of this economic collapse, I see desperate humans clinging to 'memories'... our comfortable myths and legends.
During the remainder of this collapse, we are making new memories, and these include the Real-World necessity of hunting and gathering.
Our competition for calories automatically 'balances' the bear numbers.
Same with cougar, hog, coyote.
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This happens the first day those 'wild-life management' bureaucrats fail to go to the office.
Maybe because their office buildings no longer exist.
Shit florida has a black bear problem. They are everywhere.
I live in rural SW Oregon where the last Oregon grizzly was killed. Personally, I prefer not living in their territory.
Get a hunting season on these animals, like what was in place prior to 1975!
It is time.
California use to have an extremely large population of grizzlies, i think them enviro-nazis should have a few thousand in southern California where they belong.
It time to take action and thin out the grizzlies…
The people population should be kept in check as well
The only reasonable option is to reduce bear numbers. Conservation has come full circle. There has to be an evolution in how we see to protect these animals and what numbers are logical. Times are changing and we can't be trapped in this '70s '80s and '90s mentality that every mammal must be protected. Things like this are happening all over whether it be black bear, grizzly, mountain lion, wolf Etc
Truck the bears to the east & west coast & see how the inner city's deal with just get along.
Great stuff. Protecting people and property but still caring about achieving a good balance and not indiscriminately getting rid of problem bears.
I didn’t see much “Balance” in this video….
There are a couple of misconceptions that are being perpetuated by a few groups concerning grizzly bears. Originally most grizzlies lived on the plains that supported the large herbivores (elk and buffalo) that they preyed upon. They were almost eradicated by our forefathers because the bears did not care to "get along" (by not eating people or livestock) or stay in their "reserve" areas (think Yellowstone and Glacier Park).
We actually had tons of grizzlies in coastal California when the Spaniards first arrived. They had so many problems with the bears they were eventually all eradicated.
white man's way's and needs are the real problem
That's right. Lewis and Clark wrote of the especially large and oddly yellow colored bears around the Great Falls of the Missouri. Their color matched the plains grass, while mountain bears were dark and matched the tree bark in the forests. It shouldn't surprise anyone that a growing bear population is reclaiming traditional territory.
Thanks for reminding us how it was before the settlers came! It was the bears’ original territory till we came along and almost made them extinct! Some would like to keep it that way! Anyone with half a clue can see that thinking we can do what ever we want to nature and the environment has dire consequences that will hurt our own chances of survival in the long run! Time is running out and the “ consequences” may come sooner then we think!
@@Mr.Filson Be stronger than the white man. Defeat the white man. It's natures way. If you can't, then you will eventually become extinct. It's the way of nature. Of all the species that has ever inhabited the earth, only 1% still walks the earth today. 99.999999% of the previous species died before man had any influence on the eco system. Your "feelings" are irrelevant.
"Unintended" consequence???
ARE YOU FLUFFING KIDDING ME?
Any 6th grade student from a few years ago was taught about Lewis and Clark and the Corps of Discovery spending parts of 3 years boating and walking from St. Louis to the left coast and back.
Did NOBODY ever read that buffalo, elk, deer, wolves and GRIZZLIES were all plains animals?
This brings back super cringe memories of the Wyoming idiots "discovering" that mule deer migrate...
"We had no idea this was happening."
What the ACTUAL fluff are they getting paid ridiculous wages and amazing benefits for if they know NOTHING about the animals they are supposed to be "managing"?
Open up OUR forests, take down the illegal gates, and allow WE THE PEOPLE to manage our own damn land, cut our own damn firewood and hunt our own damn wildlife as the supreme law of this land ACTUALLY ALLOWS.
At some point, we the people will take back what has been stolen from us if it doesn't change.
Time to wake up, Amerika.
If it hasn’t happened by now, it’s not going to happen at all.
Only problem with that statement is too many greedy people will over exploit and destroy it all. There's reasons for harvest regulations so that it can exist for future generations.
@@bssaassin1900 if you are offended, then you are the problem.
How am I the problem? I'm just stating a fact that if we just let the public run things their own way everything would be chaos
When the fish and wildlife service delisted the greater Yellowstone Grizzly population the states of Idaho and Wyoming proposed a limited hunting season of 25 bears total. Then the activist's found a federal judge in Montana to stop the delisting. That meant many more problem bear encounters and that following year the state of Wyoming euthanized 60 problem bears.
The activists essentially killed an additional 35 bears just in that one state in their misguided effort to "save" them. With no natural fear of humans this will only get much worse. I know as I worked in the woods in northern Idaho, western Montana and western Wyoming. There were times when you could take a drive from Cody to the park gates and see 8 or 9 different bears. They are severely overpopulated for the available range.
Oh wow
SCI is a great organization in regards to conservation of wildlife.
That a mere 1/8" of steel will keep out a grizzly bear increases my respect for the strength of steel.
My wife and I were just talking about that. It might stop a grizzly bear but the door frame looks like 1 x 4 wood. I suspect a bear of any kind that could get its claws behind the edge of the door would simply pull the door out frame and all. At least that's what it looks like.
The Sierra Club does more harm than good. Clueless.
Is hunting allowed? A sane, balanced program of hunting will keep bear populations in check as well as teaching bears to stay away from humans. If you let bears destroy people's livelihoods what you'll get is the type of uncontrolled hunting that decimated grizzlies in the lower 48 in the first place.
Why don't you get a backhoe and dig a big hole- and bury the carcass?? I and my friends have always done this... Simple...
look at their native range... are we really surprised or frustrated by the fact that grizzlies are expanding due to their population responding positively, growing, and filling into where they were roaming just a couple hundred years ago? i live in an area where there are grizzlies all over - our kids aren't living in fear in playgrounds, etc, as this film is portraying. I want people's safety too... but damn, first off, attacks aren't rampant, anywhere, and especially in the prairie. second, we need to stop playing god and managing species so much. let these native animals return to normalcy.
Unintended Consequences - Maine Squirrels
Three S’s. Get er done
Is there a catch, sterilization, release program?
Make the outback safe from predators and then you will realize the consequences.
Bare yourself and bear a burden to help the bears on the barren plains.