Kat’s arc was one of THE BEST. I remember tearing up during this episode. I always appreciated how BSG captured the fraternity and camaraderie amongst the crew, even during mourning.
This bit was a great nod to the Nova of Madagon bit from the original TV movie where the viper pilots had to fly through a super bright starfield and shoot down cyclon mines with the fleet following them.
@@jasonwilkins1969 I wonder whether it is her, that is quite a stunt fall. Regardless the arms raising was her, the feebleness was her, the acting was amazing throughout
Its a difficult to say if she's a hero or not. Did she save people? Hell yeah, but she knew she was screwed anyway, so she felt like she had nothing to lose IMO. No matter what - it was AMAZING story telling and it got people talking so I loved it.
You realise she was already screwed because she deliberately went over her radiation dosage to save people. She was self sacrificial throughout. Yes an absolute hero.
If not for the possibility of redemption, why should a damned woman not give their life for others? Regardless of the motivation people were saved. Even if it for selfishness, she was still a hero and should be praised as such. Even if only so their story will inspire other damned men and women in the future.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" All that matters are actions and results, not intentions. You could be the most selfish SOB but if you do good, it's all that counts.
It's called self sacrifice. People in the military make them everyday and it's (in my opinion) probably the most important military value because you're giving up everything for the mission. They did a great job.
Want character development watch bsg. Want a unexpected twist or several watch bsg. Want a show that will make you sit on the edge of the seat, watch bsg. Want a well casted show again I think you get the point. This is the pinnacle of sci Fi and it left a lot wanting more even with arguably the most satisfying ending of a show. Watch Battlestar Galactica.
I remember as a kid watching the original Battlestar Galactica when the fleet had to pass through a red nova, and saying, "Shouldn't they be getting burnt up right about now?" This was the remastered version of the Red Nova, and they nailed it. Star clusters aren't puffy pretty clouds. They're hot star incubators.
Boomer, Athena, Caprica 6, De'Anna Biers, Kara "Starbuck" Thrace, Laura "Airlock" Roslin. These women are all so much... more... than the caricature "girl power" cookie cutter "main characters" of today's era.
@@davahn122 It's nowhere near woke enough, LOL there are white males in the cast who aren't talked down to or belittled and in some cases are better than female characters, there are no gay characters. Adama is male, the president is white, no trans or non binary characters. World has gone crazy in the last few years. LMAO.
yeah and it's bullshit... you don't need to fly thru that stuff, you can just go arround. since noone established how far a jump can take you, and how long it takes to jump again (half an hour at most - we know since Ep 1...), it doesn't make sense to go thru that kind of stuff. just jump 40 times and go arround.
@@Xingmey did you forget that they were literally starving. They didn’t have time to “just go around” You’d know this if you payed attention. Jumps take time to plot, time for the drives to spin up, and time to prepare for the next one.
@@Xingmey They were on very limited fuel, IIRC not much before this episode they also had strikes on the Tylium refinery ship due to the abhorrent conditions there, which were necessary though to keep the fleet alive at the same time, its a tough situation and really exemplified that they really had no fuel to spare for such shenanigans. Even if that storyline came after the point would still stand. That and obviously the whole starvation issue.
Probably why they took as long as they did to get to some of the structural damage that had built up on Galactica itself which, for starters, left entire decks unaccessible.
BTW: that was great callback to original episode where Vipers were clearing minefield in nebula before the fleet. PS: Kat, Gaeta, Cally, Chief Tyrol - these were proper characters.
I still don't understand why they didn't tie the Raptors into the ships computers and just jump like that. Instead of doing it like this. Liked Kat's arc though, good stuff.
In lore: Cylons can easily hack computer systems so that was seen as a risk that no one should take. Ever. The fall of the colonies again proved why. Film wise? Plot
@@ellig63 If they flew the eagles to Mordor, then Sauron would have immediately known that something big was happening, probably involving the ring, which he already knew had been found.
@@jamesxiaolong2199 It surely can't have been too hard just to wire the Raptor guidance computers into the FTL drives of the transports instead? The Raptor calculates the jump from the safety of the docking bay, and sends the jump instructions straight to the FTL drives of the ship they're leading?
Her dying of radiation genuinely made me sad for her character. She had a shady past and she did everything she could to be a better person. I was more pissed at Starbuck for having pushed her like that. Speaking of which, I never liked Starbuck.
@@WarbirdPhoenix also, they transferred most of the crew off each ship onto Galactica for the journey, leaving only a skeleton crew on each one. Sure, a couple of dozen people might die from radiation poisoning, but they'd still have the ship afterwards.
@@colbycoolby1592 not exactly full... Most of its complement was on board Galactica at the time for safety reasons, but there was still a minimum crew aboard. ALso losing a ship is a big deal when space is at a premium.
@@colbycoolby1592 Wrong, the ships had a skeleton crew manning it, any non essential personnel were transferred to the Galactica. I wondered how many people watching this part thought they were losing thousands of people every time a ship was lost lol.
Εγω δεν ειμαι αυτο που λετε youtuber. Τα σεναρια που ειχε το Battlestar Galactica οταν ημουν μικρος (ειδα και τα υπολοιπα που δεν προλαβα τα τελευταια χρονια) τα σεναρια τοτε ηταν ανθρωπιστικου περιεχομενου και καυτηριαζαν τις σχεσεις των εθνων πανω στην γη, της πολιτικης, της γεωπολιτικης και δημιουργησαν μια συνδεση ολων των θρησκειων που αφορουν τον ανθρωπο. Τα ρομποτ ξερετε δεν ειναι μονο μηχανικα, αλλα αφορουν παραβολικα και τους ανθρωπους που κινουντε μηχανικα μεσα απο τις συνηθειες ξεχνωντας την ανθρωπια. Ετσι με τον καιρο (παρολο που τα γραφικα στις μαχες ειναι απειρως ανωτερα) καταλαβα οτι ξεφυγατε απο το θεμα (αφορα τον σκηνοθετη και την σκηνοθεσια του). Οταν μιλαω για το Battlestar Galactica εννοω το εργο που μεσα στους πρωταγωνιστες του ηταν ο Απολλο ( προφανως τοτε ο σκηνοθετης ειχε ενα σεναριο στο μυαλο του πως εμεινε το ονομα Απολλο σε σχεση με τον Ελληνικο θεο Απολλωνα). Αποφασισα να μην σας ακολουθω πια ιδιαιτερως μετα το επεισοδιο με τα προηγμενα ρομποτ Cylons που εχουν ανθρωπινο σωμα, και θεωρηθηκε τι? γεννοκτονια μια ρατσα ανθρωποειδων που θα μπορουσαν να ειναι απλα android (ανδροειδες)>? Οχι. θα προτεινα στον σκηνοθετη σημερα να κατσει και να ξαναδει οοολα τα επεισοδια της προηγουμενης σειρας και υστερα να επανασυντονισει τα youtube εργα του.
It wasn't heroic it was stupid, she was already impaired by radiation sickness. Helo probably wouldn't have lost the civvy ship in the first place and no one would have died.
Helo was more likely to be overwhelmed by the heat than kat due to his size. People with larger and more muscular bodies produce more heat and need more oxygen. You can almost guarantee that the raptors were probably leaking gasses just like Galactica was. Those suits were guaranteed leaking too because of how often they had to reuse gear and the increased surface area of Helo's suit means it has a greater chance of springing a leak due to wearing out. Additionally, while women can reach similar levels of fitness as men, they will still have greater relative levels of fats in their bodies meaning the women have more energy reserves in this situation where food is scarce. Helo going out in that nebula at all was a stupid idea.
@@BurntPlaydoh Ionizing radiation produces heat because it physically hits our molecules (hence the cancer risk), not all of it passes through us. Heat exhaustion is one of the symptoms aside from the radiation poisoning. Look at everyone sweating during that episode. All radiation produces heat. You have to think of the entire spectrum, visible+invisible as light. A perfect example of this is infrared radiation, it's not in the visible spectrum and partially passes through materials but it's still a form of light that we can actually design night vision goggles to see. As for Chernobyl, the ridiculous dose of radiation probably was in the sweet spot range to cause just enough damage to caused successful apoptosis, killing the chances of cancer.
Come ooon... She originally wanted to die to atone for her guilt! There is nothing heroic about this. Yes, she helped people, but she did it for her own reasons.
If she had followed orders and hadn’t “committed suicide” then the crew of the Faru Sadin would have died and the ship would have been lost. Definition of sacrifice (in this context): : the act of giving up something that you want to keep especially in order to get or do something else or to help someone. Kat wanted to keep her life ultimately, but she gave it up in order to help the crew of the Faru Sadin. Hence it was a sacrifice. To quote another famous Sci-Fi leader when he praised a subordinate for disobeying orders (successfully preventing a war): “The words ‘I was just following orders’ have been used to justify too many tragedies.” Sorry, but Kat’s death was a sacrifice, and she got the respect she deserved for it.
This was a FRACKING FANTASTIC way to redeem her. She messed up, but gave her life to make up for it. Even earned the respect of those that hated her
Fracking fantastic
@@bobayotte2940 I will edit my comment. You are of course correct
Kat’s arc was one of THE BEST. I remember tearing up during this episode. I always appreciated how BSG captured the fraternity and camaraderie amongst the crew, even during mourning.
Even Starbuck showed respect. And Starbuck hated her.
@Floyd1504 I think Kat had a HUGE chip on her shoulder as well. Great writing either way!
Let's also not forget her role in the 2nd exodus.
One of the many reasons I say this is the best show ever. Plot, acting, effects, music, feelings
This bit was a great nod to the Nova of Madagon bit from the original TV movie where the viper pilots had to fly through a super bright starfield and shoot down cyclon mines with the fleet following them.
That comparison never occurred to me.
"It's getting... hot."
One of the best moments in the show! Thrilling and heartbreaking!
She acted the hell out of that fall
@@jasonwilkins1969 I wonder whether it is her, that is quite a stunt fall. Regardless the arms raising was her, the feebleness was her, the acting was amazing throughout
Raptor 124, you done well, old friend. May your bones nourish another old friend to witness a new legacy on another world.
this still makes me cry.
gods frack this was a good show. right in the godsdamn feels.
Its a difficult to say if she's a hero or not. Did she save people? Hell yeah, but she knew she was screwed anyway, so she felt like she had nothing to lose IMO. No matter what - it was AMAZING story telling and it got people talking so I loved it.
Even Fuckups can be Heroes.
You realise she was already screwed because she deliberately went over her radiation dosage to save people. She was self sacrificial throughout. Yes an absolute hero.
If not for the possibility of redemption, why should a damned woman not give their life for others? Regardless of the motivation people were saved. Even if it for selfishness, she was still a hero and should be praised as such. Even if only so their story will inspire other damned men and women in the future.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
All that matters are actions and results, not intentions. You could be the most selfish SOB but if you do good, it's all that counts.
It's called self sacrifice. People in the military make them everyday and it's (in my opinion) probably the most important military value because you're giving up everything for the mission. They did a great job.
Want character development watch bsg. Want a unexpected twist or several watch bsg. Want a show that will make you sit on the edge of the seat, watch bsg. Want a well casted show again I think you get the point. This is the pinnacle of sci Fi and it left a lot wanting more even with arguably the most satisfying ending of a show.
Watch Battlestar Galactica.
I remember as a kid watching the original Battlestar Galactica when the fleet had to pass through a red nova, and saying, "Shouldn't they be getting burnt up right about now?" This was the remastered version of the Red Nova, and they nailed it. Star clusters aren't puffy pretty clouds. They're hot star incubators.
Which would vapurize battlestar, much less Raptor in split second.
first time I watched. when I heard the music at the opening "frakk. I am not gonna cry!" I failed miserably. now, years later still 😢
I cried at Kat's death
We all did brother.
The actress who played her did a good job. she’s also in Falling Skies and unfortunately dies in that show too.
Very few shows know how to do strong female characters without overcompensating and getting cringey, but BSG nailed it.
This was in the pre woke era, where things were handled sensibly.
Boomer, Athena, Caprica 6, De'Anna Biers, Kara "Starbuck" Thrace, Laura "Airlock" Roslin.
These women are all so much... more... than the caricature "girl power" cookie cutter "main characters" of today's era.
@@madquest8 If it were released today it would be called woke lol
@@davahn122 It's nowhere near woke enough, LOL there are white males in the cast who aren't talked down to or belittled and in some cases are better than female characters, there are no gay characters. Adama is male, the president is white, no trans or non binary characters. World has gone crazy in the last few years. LMAO.
@@madquest8 Gaeta is gay and they literally gender and racially swapped major characters in the show
God I don’t know why but that Star cluster bloody terrified me, even without the knowledge of its radioactivity, it just looks horrifying
yeah and it's bullshit...
you don't need to fly thru that stuff, you can just go arround.
since noone established how far a jump can take you, and how long it takes to jump again (half an hour at most - we know since Ep 1...), it doesn't make sense to go thru that kind of stuff.
just jump 40 times and go arround.
@@Xingmey did you forget that they were literally starving. They didn’t have time to “just go around” You’d know this if you payed attention. Jumps take time to plot, time for the drives to spin up, and time to prepare for the next one.
@@Xingmey They were on very limited fuel, IIRC not much before this episode they also had strikes on the Tylium refinery ship due to the abhorrent conditions there, which were necessary though to keep the fleet alive at the same time, its a tough situation and really exemplified that they really had no fuel to spare for such shenanigans. Even if that storyline came after the point would still stand.
That and obviously the whole starvation issue.
I liked her character. Very relatable to me.
Im in floods of tears😭
just watched this episode for the first time.
Can't begin to imagine the amount of days or months of work Chief Tyrol and his gang had to go through to repair all the damage to those Raptors.
Probably why they took as long as they did to get to some of the structural damage that had built up on Galactica itself which, for starters, left entire decks unaccessible.
How dare this show always make me cry
Kat despite everything proved herself she was Starbucks protege an amazing pilot trained by the best
Fucking Hero!!
BTW: that was great callback to original episode where Vipers were clearing minefield in nebula before the fleet. PS: Kat, Gaeta, Cally, Chief Tyrol - these were proper characters.
Her death scene in sickbay was the saddest part of the series
I wonder what planet that is with the rings. You see when the fleet and BSG jump back into safety zone.
It's the algae planet.
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT!!😭
btw, Great ep!
"She brought them home"
I still don't understand why they didn't tie the Raptors into the ships computers and just jump like that. Instead of doing it like this. Liked Kat's arc though, good stuff.
Because if you start asking questions like that, then you'll start asking "Why didn't they just fly on the eagles to Mordor?"
I'd imagine the conditions would make doing such a manoeuvre impossible?
No networked systems. Old Man don't much care for 'em.
In lore: Cylons can easily hack computer systems so that was seen as a risk that no one should take. Ever. The fall of the colonies again proved why.
Film wise? Plot
@@ellig63 If they flew the eagles to Mordor, then Sauron would have immediately known that something big was happening, probably involving the ring, which he already knew had been found.
Not bad for a former human smuggler pilot.
When you think about it, they should have just temporarily attached the Raptors on the ships. Would have saved them the trouble.
I don’t think FTL works that way. Otherwise they’d have docked the sublights to FTL Ships back in the miniseries
@@jamesxiaolong2199
It surely can't have been too hard just to wire the Raptor guidance computers into the FTL drives of the transports instead?
The Raptor calculates the jump from the safety of the docking bay, and sends the jump instructions straight to the FTL drives of the ship they're leading?
@@stickiedmin6508 watch the episode where Boomer kidnaps Hera. It would imply ships can’t be next to each other when they jump.
@@jamesxiaolong2199 Ships can jump with Vipers attached to their hull, it wouldn't be a stretch to thing it could be done with Raptors.
@@sharp14x attached inside a flight pod isn’t exactly what I’d think of.
My favorite episode. It's me particularly hard because I served as well and no exactly the costs.
"So that others may live"
Jupiter lol
Her dying of radiation genuinely made me sad for her character. She had a shady past and she did everything she could to be a better person. I was more pissed at Starbuck for having pushed her like that. Speaking of which, I never liked Starbuck.
So what happened to her backseater in that Raptor, was he OK because he hadn't made as many trips through and taken as much radiation?
In the episode due to the radiation they are flying solo in the raptors.
They didnt fly with a partner ... it was ordered, by the commander.
Coming from a cancer survival I like to think this was the way it was for all of us!...but its just a show...reality is much worse.
What episode is this
Season 3, Episode 10 “The Passage”
Should do a purging of all these toaster spam comments in these videos.
This episodes literally destroyed me.
Wouldn't the people on the ship she was looking for be equally fracked by radiation?
Bigger ship=thicker hull=more shielding
@@WarbirdPhoenix also, they transferred most of the crew off each ship onto Galactica for the journey, leaving only a skeleton crew on each one. Sure, a couple of dozen people might die from radiation poisoning, but they'd still have the ship afterwards.
So..remind me of what she died from??😊
Who did she save I'm new to this show , so I didn't understand ,?????
It was a freighter full of civilians.
@@colbycoolby1592 thanks Ive only began to watch this and I'm hooked ,
@@ericvidal440 Welcome. I watched it when I was about eight with my parents. So I'm happy to help folks enjoy the show.
@@colbycoolby1592 not exactly full... Most of its complement was on board Galactica at the time for safety reasons, but there was still a minimum crew aboard. ALso losing a ship is a big deal when space is at a premium.
@@colbycoolby1592 Wrong, the ships had a skeleton crew manning it, any non essential personnel were transferred to the Galactica. I wondered how many people watching this part thought they were losing thousands of people every time a ship was lost lol.
Εγω δεν ειμαι αυτο που λετε youtuber. Τα σεναρια που ειχε το Battlestar Galactica οταν ημουν μικρος (ειδα και τα υπολοιπα που δεν προλαβα τα τελευταια χρονια) τα σεναρια τοτε ηταν ανθρωπιστικου περιεχομενου και καυτηριαζαν τις σχεσεις των εθνων πανω στην γη, της πολιτικης, της γεωπολιτικης και δημιουργησαν μια συνδεση ολων των θρησκειων που αφορουν τον ανθρωπο. Τα ρομποτ ξερετε δεν ειναι μονο μηχανικα, αλλα αφορουν παραβολικα και τους ανθρωπους που κινουντε μηχανικα μεσα απο τις συνηθειες ξεχνωντας την ανθρωπια. Ετσι με τον καιρο (παρολο που τα γραφικα στις μαχες ειναι απειρως ανωτερα) καταλαβα οτι ξεφυγατε απο το θεμα (αφορα τον σκηνοθετη και την σκηνοθεσια του). Οταν μιλαω για το Battlestar Galactica εννοω το εργο που μεσα στους πρωταγωνιστες του ηταν ο Απολλο ( προφανως τοτε ο σκηνοθετης ειχε ενα σεναριο στο μυαλο του πως εμεινε το ονομα Απολλο σε σχεση με τον Ελληνικο θεο Απολλωνα). Αποφασισα να μην σας ακολουθω πια ιδιαιτερως μετα το επεισοδιο με τα προηγμενα ρομποτ Cylons που εχουν ανθρωπινο σωμα, και θεωρηθηκε τι? γεννοκτονια μια ρατσα ανθρωποειδων που θα μπορουσαν να ειναι απλα android (ανδροειδες)>? Οχι. θα προτεινα στον σκηνοθετη σημερα να κατσει και να ξαναδει οοολα τα επεισοδια της προηγουμενης σειρας και υστερα να επανασυντονισει τα youtube εργα του.
Name song pleas
Kat's Sacrifice · Bear McCreary
I hate Starbuck in this episode.
Same, just mind your own goddamn business
kat's the very worst of them, riding on the coat tails of better pilots................the scar episode speaking volumes.
It wasn't heroic it was stupid, she was already impaired by radiation sickness. Helo probably wouldn't have lost the civvy ship in the first place and no one would have died.
She knew she was already dead prior to this jump, at least she made it count.
Helo was more likely to be overwhelmed by the heat than kat due to his size. People with larger and more muscular bodies produce more heat and need more oxygen. You can almost guarantee that the raptors were probably leaking gasses just like Galactica was. Those suits were guaranteed leaking too because of how often they had to reuse gear and the increased surface area of Helo's suit means it has a greater chance of springing a leak due to wearing out. Additionally, while women can reach similar levels of fitness as men, they will still have greater relative levels of fats in their bodies meaning the women have more energy reserves in this situation where food is scarce.
Helo going out in that nebula at all was a stupid idea.
@@BurntPlaydoh Ionizing radiation produces heat because it physically hits our molecules (hence the cancer risk), not all of it passes through us. Heat exhaustion is one of the symptoms aside from the radiation poisoning. Look at everyone sweating during that episode.
All radiation produces heat. You have to think of the entire spectrum, visible+invisible as light. A perfect example of this is infrared radiation, it's not in the visible spectrum and partially passes through materials but it's still a form of light that we can actually design night vision goggles to see.
As for Chernobyl, the ridiculous dose of radiation probably was in the sweet spot range to cause just enough damage to caused successful apoptosis, killing the chances of cancer.
Come ooon... She originally wanted to die to atone for her guilt! There is nothing heroic about this. Yes, she helped people, but she did it for her own reasons.
Would you care for the motives of the preson that saved your life or that of a loved one? Actions have more weight than intentions.
Which is still more than anyone can say for Gaius frakkin Baltar
Kat committed suicide. There was no sacrifice. She disobeyed orders. She's not heroic.
If she had followed orders and hadn’t “committed suicide” then the crew of the Faru Sadin would have died and the ship would have been lost.
Definition of sacrifice (in this context): : the act of giving up something that you want to keep especially in order to get or do something else or to help someone.
Kat wanted to keep her life ultimately, but she gave it up in order to help the crew of the Faru Sadin. Hence it was a sacrifice.
To quote another famous Sci-Fi leader when he praised a subordinate for disobeying orders (successfully preventing a war): “The words ‘I was just following orders’ have been used to justify too many tragedies.”
Sorry, but Kat’s death was a sacrifice, and she got the respect she deserved for it.
You have slave tendencies, don’t you?
Sacrificing yourself to save others is not suicide.
Are you secretly j.jonah Jameson ? Cos that's exactly what he would say😆😆😆
I hope to god this is a bot and nobody's actually this unfeeling
Lol at ending 😂