I am a Korean American living in the states, and I applaud you on taking the time to research to rebuttal the points the Imperialist Japanese made. It is sad that there are such ppl still to this day. And yes. I would really like your take on the other two points. Thank you. Also, Koreans who were born in Japan and even mixed people in Japan are still discriminated against in Japan. Even still today Japanese discriminate Zainichi Korean - means 'living in Japan' Koreans. During the annexation, all Koreans were forced to speak Japanese and were forced to change their names to Japanese. Everyone who did not bow down to Shinto's photo before any gathering were put in prison. 신사참배 This was the Christian persecution during Japanese Annexation. Thank you again.
its very sad and frustrating that such misinformation is taught (I am assuming 'A' was told these things in school). It reminds me of other history-deniers like those who insist the Holocaust never happened, or how the Japanese government has yet to apologies to the Comfort Women.
@@MarieMaurerKdramaReview Marie thank you. I think spreading the truth is a very important endeavor. And you may be right, the person may have been indoctrinated in school and home. No society is perfect but it gives me hope for mankind when people like yourself spends the time to post truth. Thank you and hope you and your family a wonderful New Years! Stay safe. - from PA, USA.
@@MarieMaurerKdramaReview I really don't understand why the Japanese government of today needs to apologize for the military/Empire of yesterday. That government no longer exists, by any stretch. Today's Japanese are guilty of nothing, except maybe existing on the same bit of land. Does today's S. Korean government owe the people of Korea an apology for enslaving 60+% of the population, back in the day? Is it the fact that one happened centuries ago and the other merely decades ago matter in the moral equation? IMHO, Japan paid dearly for the disastrous policies that lead to WWII. Which Korean cities were subjected to the atomic bomb? I must have forgotten. The price the Japanese people paid was quite high enough.
@@garyguyton7373 Hey Gary, sorry for my very late response. I want to preface my answer with the acknowledgment that I am not of Korean descent (obviously lol), nor do I have any first nations ancestry - which will be an example I use as I am Canadian. So my opinion on why its important for governments to release official apologies might be different from those who are directly affected by the actions in question. My own personal thoughts on why it's important for governments to apologize for past actions is that it really wasn't that long ago. There are Comfort Women who are still living today, and when the Japanese government refuses to apologize for the torture they endured (because being raped by 40-80 men PER DAY is 100% torture) it: 1. dismisses/silences them, 2. and minimizes what actually happened, and 3. stinks of a government trying to re-write history. Even if there are no remaining survivors left, inter-generation trauma is real and backed by psychological studies. For example, Residental Schools in Canada (the last one close the year after I was born, so again it really wasn't that long ago; not a "thing of the past") were places of institutionalized unspeakable abuse against first nation CHILDREN. These children were beaten, starved, mutilated, sexually abused, and murdered on a mass level all in the name of "killing the Indian in the child." This was, by definition, genocide. The surviving children grew up and are now members of our society and have families of their own. How do you think they process this trauma? Do you think the Canadian government in power at this specific moment should ignore the history of Residential Schools because it was not the one in charge at the time? If trauma is never acknowledged in the first place then how do we move forward? I strongly believe governments have a RESPONSIBILITY to apologize even if it happened 100 to 500 years ago. Emphasis on GOVERNMENTS, not individual citizens. Governments represent a nation and the history of a country. They are the highest authority of the land (excluding legal systems, such as the Supreme Court). If a government refuses to even acknowledge that injustice even happened what incentive is there for teachers to teach the next generation that it transpired? I have a friend who is only 5 years older than me, who had no idea that Residential Schools even happened; which contributed to her lack of empathy and understanding for our first nations communities. Please let me know your thoughts :)
Really excited for parts 2 and 3! also, since you're a history student, i think a lot of your audience would be interested if you did more asian-history related videos! this video was very enlightening and easy to follow!
I've personally watched a few of historical kdramas in my lifetime and I've never could have thought of Eunuchs were slaves, I really thought they were the assistants/butlers serving the royalty. I'm glad I watched your video I'm going to be more attentive now when I watch historical dramas. Hope you continue this mini kdrama 101 lessons/series would love to learn more.
I think that's why theres a bit of controversy surrounding the translation. Because the eunuchs/court lady attendants dont look like what you imagine when you think of "slave."
A couple of comments. One: On the "You can't be a little bit pregnant." theory, Joseon was indeed a slave society until abolition, and as a practical matter remained so, until the last vestiges of enslavement were gone, whether illegal or not. You are absolutely correct in saying that Joseon was absolutely not dominated by slavery either economically or socially when the 1900's rolled around, but it did exist, and that fact can not be ignored. 2. Academics are, especially in the soft sciences like history, political science, sociology, etc., are highly biased, and those biases do enter into their published works. It is just a fact. Academic citations and annotations are not enough to prove or disprove anything except other peoples works can be used to support you own. All that said, those nits picked, I find your commentary to be as accurate as can be found on the subject. Japan's occupation of Korea, like all expanding empires conquests, was done to exploit the conquered, and that's pretty much all there is to it. Mr. A is wrong.
I am very interested in this time period surrounding the annexation. Have you ever read the book Ways that are Dark? It is one of my favorites. I have some pro japanese biases, so thanks for delivering this video in such a neutral tone. Nobi is a new term i learned today. Thanks for giving me an intro.
I really enjoyed your analysis! just a few pointers: the middle class (Chungin: 중인) is not entirely comprised of illegitimate children, most of the middle class is comprised of people who worked in specialized occupations, such as accountants, lawyers, medical practitioners, interpreters, artists, or low-level municipal officers who were not considered either commoner (yang-in) or noble class (yangban) many of them were employed by the court and held official titles. Any commoner, with limited exception (like illegitimate children) could take public servant examination and become a yangban. Meanwhile actually becoming a bureaucrat and serving in the court was mostly a different story. Because the Joseon dynasty adopted Confucianism as the central ideology, they avoided forming a larger government. There were only around 500 positions of government bureaucrats available, or around 3,000 positions of military officers, many people who passed the exam never saw his day in an office, unless he was well-connected, backed by an influential family, or came in at least to the 3rd place in the final stage of the public servant exam. However, If no member of one family passes the first stage for the public servant exam for 4 generations, the family loses the status of yangban, and the privileges that came with it, therefore, many just sue for taking the exam just to stay as yangbans. I don't agree with the assessment that eunuchs are "slaves," but, I think by your definition because they were the de facto property of the king and the royal family, I understand your logic, but many of eunuchs in Joseon still held official titles (up to the 4th out of 18 ranks of the official titles), were highly educated, and very influential in the inner-workings within the royal court, even though the government of Joseon systematically excluded them from any political affairs.
I am fascinated by the depth of the video and the explanation of the intricacies regarding the Joseon class system. Kudos to Marie for deciding to bring a more objective context to the loaded and somewhat ignorant blanket statement of "A". I would like to provide more information about 'jungin (중인)', pronounced 'joong-in'. The chinese characters of the word literally means middle people and within the class system, right below yangban. This privileged class of commoners consisted of a small group of lower cicil servants and other highly educated skilled workers. They were a more broader group than just illegitimate sons of yangbans ('seoja 서자'). You can read more about this class in the wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungin?wprov=sfla1 I'd love to see vid 2 and 3. Yaaaas please!!!
Thank you for adding more info to the 중인! I wish I had the time to explain the class structure/duties in more depth. The 중인 definitely fascinate me, and definitely want to learn more about them
I think that person called "A" is wrong from the start. 'Mr sunshine' is set in the year 1900-1907, so it should not be called "Joseon dynasty" but "Korean empire." In the comment "A" stated A: Bc almost half of the population was slaves who could legally be killed at the whim of yangbans. That is why it is a historical fact that most of the Korean anti Japanese fighters consisted of yangbans." And i personally think what "A" said is totally wrong! First of all there were more more more more amount of Koreans that died from protesting, that died as comfort women and that died as forced laborers at the hands of Japanese soldiers compared to Koreans who died form slavery at the hands/whims of yangbans. Second of all, Korean anti Japanese fighters mostly consisted of peasant(slaves) and sangmin (common people of Joseon-era Korea) NOT YANGBANS. And those filthy rich Yangbans were mostly pro-japanese that betrayed their own country and sided with Japan for their own safety and money. (If I am wrong please correct me, thank you 😄)
The purpose of this video is education! Please do not go find this commenter and send hate.
I am a Korean American living in the states, and I applaud you on taking the time to research to rebuttal the points the Imperialist Japanese made. It is sad that there are such ppl still to this day. And yes. I would really like your take on the other two points. Thank you. Also, Koreans who were born in Japan and even mixed people in Japan are still discriminated against in Japan. Even still today Japanese discriminate Zainichi Korean - means 'living in Japan' Koreans. During the annexation, all Koreans were forced to speak Japanese and were forced to change their names to Japanese. Everyone who did not bow down to Shinto's photo before any gathering were put in prison. 신사참배 This was the Christian persecution during Japanese Annexation. Thank you again.
its very sad and frustrating that such misinformation is taught (I am assuming 'A' was told these things in school). It reminds me of other history-deniers like those who insist the Holocaust never happened, or how the Japanese government has yet to apologies to the Comfort Women.
@@MarieMaurerKdramaReview Marie thank you. I think spreading the truth is a very important endeavor. And you may be right, the person may have been indoctrinated in school and home. No society is perfect but it gives me hope for mankind when people like yourself spends the time to post truth. Thank you and hope you and your family a wonderful New Years! Stay safe. - from PA, USA.
Best wishes and happy new year! 새해 복 많이 받으세요!
@@MarieMaurerKdramaReview I really don't understand why the Japanese government of today needs to apologize for the military/Empire of yesterday. That government no longer exists, by any stretch. Today's Japanese are guilty of nothing, except maybe existing on the same bit of land. Does today's S. Korean government owe the people of Korea an apology for enslaving 60+% of the population, back in the day? Is it the fact that one happened centuries ago and the other merely decades ago matter in the moral equation? IMHO, Japan paid dearly for the disastrous policies that lead to WWII. Which Korean cities were subjected to the atomic bomb? I must have forgotten. The price the Japanese people paid was quite high enough.
@@garyguyton7373 Hey Gary, sorry for my very late response. I want to preface my answer with the acknowledgment that I am not of Korean descent (obviously lol), nor do I have any first nations ancestry - which will be an example I use as I am Canadian. So my opinion on why its important for governments to release official apologies might be different from those who are directly affected by the actions in question. My own personal thoughts on why it's important for governments to apologize for past actions is that it really wasn't that long ago. There are Comfort Women who are still living today, and when the Japanese government refuses to apologize for the torture they endured (because being raped by 40-80 men PER DAY is 100% torture) it: 1. dismisses/silences them, 2. and minimizes what actually happened, and 3. stinks of a government trying to re-write history. Even if there are no remaining survivors left, inter-generation trauma is real and backed by psychological studies. For example, Residental Schools in Canada (the last one close the year after I was born, so again it really wasn't that long ago; not a "thing of the past") were places of institutionalized unspeakable abuse against first nation CHILDREN. These children were beaten, starved, mutilated, sexually abused, and murdered on a mass level all in the name of "killing the Indian in the child." This was, by definition, genocide. The surviving children grew up and are now members of our society and have families of their own. How do you think they process this trauma? Do you think the Canadian government in power at this specific moment should ignore the history of Residential Schools because it was not the one in charge at the time? If trauma is never acknowledged in the first place then how do we move forward? I strongly believe governments have a RESPONSIBILITY to apologize even if it happened 100 to 500 years ago. Emphasis on GOVERNMENTS, not individual citizens. Governments represent a nation and the history of a country. They are the highest authority of the land (excluding legal systems, such as the Supreme Court). If a government refuses to even acknowledge that injustice even happened what incentive is there for teachers to teach the next generation that it transpired? I have a friend who is only 5 years older than me, who had no idea that Residential Schools even happened; which contributed to her lack of empathy and understanding for our first nations communities. Please let me know your thoughts :)
Wow this is a content level up if i ever saw one! Id definitely watch parts 2 and 3 😍🤩
omg I love your dedication and integrity. Honestly how do you not get millions of views?
Really excited for parts 2 and 3!
also, since you're a history student, i think a lot of your audience would be interested if you did more asian-history related videos!
this video was very enlightening and easy to follow!
While searching kdrama reviews, happen to watch your video. Thanks for this informative post, bringing informative comments from people. Good job :)
I've personally watched a few of historical kdramas in my lifetime and I've never could have thought of Eunuchs were slaves, I really thought they were the assistants/butlers serving the royalty. I'm glad I watched your video I'm going to be more attentive now when I watch historical dramas. Hope you continue this mini kdrama 101 lessons/series would love to learn more.
I think that's why theres a bit of controversy surrounding the translation. Because the eunuchs/court lady attendants dont look like what you imagine when you think of "slave."
A couple of comments. One: On the "You can't be a little bit pregnant." theory, Joseon was indeed a slave society until abolition, and as a practical matter remained so, until the last vestiges of enslavement were gone, whether illegal or not. You are absolutely correct in saying that Joseon was absolutely not dominated by slavery either economically or socially when the 1900's rolled around, but it did exist, and that fact can not be ignored. 2. Academics are, especially in the soft sciences like history, political science, sociology, etc., are highly biased, and those biases do enter into their published works. It is just a fact. Academic citations and annotations are not enough to prove or disprove anything except other peoples works can be used to support you own.
All that said, those nits picked, I find your commentary to be as accurate as can be found on the subject. Japan's occupation of Korea, like all expanding empires conquests, was done to exploit the conquered, and that's pretty much all there is to it. Mr. A is wrong.
I love your video! Thank you 💜
great video, i was actually looking quite a bit for some information about nobi.
happy you enjoyed it! I can try and answer any other questions you have to the best of my ability :D
I am very interested in this time period surrounding the annexation. Have you ever read the book Ways that are Dark? It is one of my favorites.
I have some pro japanese biases, so thanks for delivering this video in such a neutral tone. Nobi is a new term i learned today. Thanks for giving me an intro.
No I haven't read it, I'll look up a synopsis ❤ I'd love to start reading more non-fiction
Will there be a part 2 ?
It'll be really interesting
I hope so! Just havent had the chance to research/scrip with school and work :( Hopefully during Christmas break
I am interested in history in general. More vids would be appreciated.
thank you for letting me know! I am currently outlining part 2 & 3, hopefully you'll get them soon
I really enjoyed your analysis! just a few pointers: the middle class (Chungin: 중인) is not entirely comprised of illegitimate children, most of the middle class is comprised of people who worked in specialized occupations, such as accountants, lawyers, medical practitioners, interpreters, artists, or low-level municipal officers who were not considered either commoner (yang-in) or noble class (yangban) many of them were employed by the court and held official titles. Any commoner, with limited exception (like illegitimate children) could take public servant examination and become a yangban. Meanwhile actually becoming a bureaucrat and serving in the court was mostly a different story. Because the Joseon dynasty adopted Confucianism as the central ideology, they avoided forming a larger government. There were only around 500 positions of government bureaucrats available, or around 3,000 positions of military officers, many people who passed the exam never saw his day in an office, unless he was well-connected, backed by an influential family, or came in at least to the 3rd place in the final stage of the public servant exam. However, If no member of one family passes the first stage for the public servant exam for 4 generations, the family loses the status of yangban, and the privileges that came with it, therefore, many just sue for taking the exam just to stay as yangbans. I don't agree with the assessment that eunuchs are "slaves," but, I think by your definition because they were the de facto property of the king and the royal family, I understand your logic, but many of eunuchs in Joseon still held official titles (up to the 4th out of 18 ranks of the official titles), were highly educated, and very influential in the inner-workings within the royal court, even though the government of Joseon systematically excluded them from any political affairs.
You raise alot of great info and I will definitely be fact checking and refining my understanding! Thank you so much 😁
Reminds me of Burakumin and how they are treated in Japan current and past.
I am fascinated by the depth of the video and the explanation of the intricacies regarding the Joseon class system. Kudos to Marie for deciding to bring a more objective context to the loaded and somewhat ignorant blanket statement of "A".
I would like to provide more information about 'jungin (중인)', pronounced 'joong-in'. The chinese characters of the word literally means middle people and within the class system, right below yangban. This privileged class of commoners consisted of a small group of lower cicil servants and other highly educated skilled workers. They were a more broader group than just illegitimate sons of yangbans ('seoja 서자'). You can read more about this class in the wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungin?wprov=sfla1
I'd love to see vid 2 and 3. Yaaaas please!!!
Thank you for adding more info to the 중인! I wish I had the time to explain the class structure/duties in more depth. The 중인 definitely fascinate me, and definitely want to learn more about them
Good job!
thank you ^_^
I think that person called "A" is wrong from the start. 'Mr sunshine' is set in the year 1900-1907, so it should not be called "Joseon dynasty" but "Korean empire."
In the comment "A" stated
A: Bc almost half of the population was slaves who could legally be killed at the whim of yangbans. That is why it is a historical fact that most of the Korean anti Japanese fighters consisted of yangbans."
And i personally think what "A" said is totally wrong!
First of all there were more more more more amount of Koreans that died from protesting, that died as comfort women and that died as forced laborers at the hands of Japanese soldiers compared to Koreans who died form slavery at the hands/whims of yangbans.
Second of all, Korean anti Japanese fighters mostly consisted of peasant(slaves) and sangmin (common people of Joseon-era Korea) NOT YANGBANS. And those filthy rich Yangbans were mostly pro-japanese that betrayed their own country and sided with Japan for their own safety and money.
(If I am wrong please correct me, thank you 😄)
Generally speaking, most of what you said is correct! But theres some nuances I would add in my video discussion for part 2 & 3 ^_^
do you confues My Mister and Mr.sunshine?
제가 영어를 잘 몰라서
제대로 질문을 한 건지 모르겠네요
My Mister는 IU(아이유)가 나오는 드라마입니다
yes, I mistakenly said 'my mister' instead of 'mr. sunshine.' but i correct myself here - 00:42
You are so sweet
I'm am using ur voice to fall in sleep 🔥❤️