The Success & Failure of the First HOH in Big Brother
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2019
- Taking a look at the history of the first HOH throughout Big Brother. Win it or throw it? What does history tell us? Let's take a look at the big picture.
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So I think a video on the phrase “the pawn always goes home” would be interesting. I want to know actually how many pawns really go home
THIS WOULD BE AN AMAZING VIDEO
Off the top of my head Jordan in BBCAN3, Dustin, Joe, Mike and Kail in BB8, Lori in BB3, Jee in BB4, Paul in BBCAN2, Jessie in BB10, Shane in BB14, Jocasta in BB16
@@davidbrennan5973 Paola BB16
@@davidbrennan5973 don’t forget Paige in bbcan 4
The very first evictee BB2, the very first pawn, went home.
I think any potential minority status also has an effect on the first HOH.
If you’re someone that could immediately be singled out & eliminated as an easy vote in week 1, then definitely go for the win.
For example, the ‘old’ person normally gets out first/early. But Jerry & Karen won first HOH and made it far.
So I think if the majority of people wouldn’t instinctually put you in their alliance, definitely win the first HOH.
“Which stands for laughing out loud in cyber-speak” 😂😂😂
Edit: Omg thank you Peridiam for the heart
First reply
MysticalBeast you edited the comment so the heart is gone
CharmanderCatcher542 oh
I remember watching BB1 a few years ago and dying when that lady said that
Survivor Fan omg i watch your vids all the time
Tyler and Hayden won the first HOH and got themselves into two of the best alliances of all time in L6 and The Brigade
Brian Castillo L6 and the Brigade are hardly comparable.
Missab4000 if level 6 was just tyler, kaycee, angela, and brett, itd be comparable. but having two extra members that went out early makes them look worse
"The worst move would be to put up Sam and Steve because they're not fucking threatening."
"So I've chosen to nominate you Sam, and you Steve." XD
I personally would try in the first HOH but the first night twist I wouldn't go for
Ditto
I might since the the first night twist have yielded a near if not complete broken power of some form in past few season (safety for two weeks in BB18, save half the house that the past 2 season have done, the Camp Director twist which not only are they safe through the first eviction but they send Houseguests on sudden death comp and then have an influence on the first HoH although they are sitting out.
Code Lyoko!
@@user-gd7wr4cx4l duh, of course
night twist?
How bout a top ten general tips to make it far in the game?
Form as many relationships as you can, only win comps when u need them,sometimes it’s best keep your ears and eyes open and your mouth on a temporary mute,especially in the first few weeks. Those are tips to make it far however to win, you need to all of that and then on top of that big and smart moves with good timing, don’t be afraid to lie and manipulate, but also have good jury management and tell all your victims the truth but with sincerity.
@@MsVitaD and a bit of luck. Quite a bit of it
Jhawk2711
If your goal is just to make it far, be Victoria. Suck at challenges. Be aggressively ditzy. Don’t strategize or make alliances. Be ok with spending a lot of time on the block as a pawn so you never have to vote and make people mad. Make it very clear from as early as possible that you’re not going to win regardless of who takes you to the end. And have an inoffensive enough personality that people aren’t going to get rid of you for quality of life reasons. It helps if you’re physically attractive but otherwise unremarkable. People keep eye candy around but vote out people they respect for things they’ve done outside the game. Who knows? Maybe someone will drag you to the end and a bitter jury will begrudgingly give you the money.
I'd definitely want to win the 1st HoH. They are almost always included in the big dominant alliances nowadays.
did you just casually drop a mean girls reference?? impressed.
A ton of first HOHs were immediately approached with alliances, so you could end up in something like Tyler in Level 6 or Hayden in the brigade, but you might also end up like McCrae in The Moving Company
McCrae got out of the Moving Company before it made him a target, and made it pretty far with Amanda and Andy, sooo
It's so refreshing to watch someone analyze a game that I have watched for years! I absolutely love your videos, and I'm looking forward to more BB content as BB21 unwinds!
Out of the 20 season, what I can say for sure gives you best advantage in Big Brother. Being Caucasian.
Jennifer Godstrey *not making a big deal about race
@@drshrimp2757 Not just on Big Brother. It also applies to life in general.
Don't be the old houseguest
High key yeah, most sociology classes could explain why having used Big Brother as a case study.
Can you do your winner predictions for bb21?
i'm guessing jackson michie wins
just a hunch
can you do the history of first night evictions (rip david)
I feel bad for David since, regardless of any racist accusations with Jackson’s, David was SOL because of the twist since Jessica (had all the girls and Tommy held firm on the girl power) would had started a battle of the sexes with banishing the physically fit and bigger guys like Jack, Jackson, and David, and either Nick or Sam. From watching David in both re-entry comps, David gave me the impression of Winston, someone you can argue appears that can do well in some comp, but can’t win a comp to save his game.
I would want to win it because you basically get an alliance right from the get-go! But it's all about how you handle that first HOH and if you align with the right people!
With season 40 of survivor coming up do you think you’d ever rank all the winners of survivor
1. Queen Sandra
2. All those mere mortals who won other seasons
There. Ranked.
He’s doing big brother for a while rn
I think Parvati deserved the second dub not Sandra 🤠
He said that he would do it after seasons 39 and 40 air
@@elijahculper5522 😂
honestly, i feel like it's more coincidence than correlation. i think it all just depends on the player
I would go for it, I think the first HoH is the best to win. You can get away with your nominations; excusing them off as just not knowing the two as well as the other houseguests; you’re safe the first week no matter what, people will try to bond with you to keep themselves off the block. I really don’t see a downside to winning the first HoH as long as you’re smart about it and stay aloof about the whole situation while the other people around you implode.
You should do a video on Big Brother 1! I was too young at the time to remember it, and it would be interesting to hear how it was different and honestly how they had air time.
I really hope this season is even half as good as last season because that would be amazing!
Perdiam have you ever sent in an application to be on Big Brother/ Survivor? I think you would be good to win because you know all the in’s and out’s of the games and I would definitely root for you!
Usually in terms of survivor super fans are either massive targets, or glide all the way to the win easily. Examples of early target superfans: max, shirin, Jacob, Stephanie, joe, etc. vs examples of easy wins: Todd, Cochran, Adam, etc.
I always say it's bad to go into BB with a strategy, since so much changes when you enter. But if I had to say right now, I would want to win it. I don't have the best social skills (nerd, hello) so I would like to have the relationships come to me more than trying to form them myself!
Wow and even the HoH’s who didn’t win their season were mostly in a week one alliance with the person who did.
This video was great and challenged my preconceptions. I think an interesting follow up video, you may need helpers for all the research, would be to analyze the early games of individual alliance members, the nature of these week one alliances, why they’ve gotten better since the Brigade, and form a how-to guide on players who’d throw the first HoH but put themselves in a position to fall into these alliances. Probably a mix of luck and compatibility, but really, Isabella, Christie even, just handed these alliances...if there were a way to cast a wide social net, or a way to integrate into these early alliances without being the heads of them; aka Kacey, Lisa, Hayden, Andy, Derrick, gods there’s almost a recipe for success there I just can’t believe it’s simply the right player being in the right place at the right time...this is too much to grasp, especially with no early live feeds and virtually no worthwhile footage of night one and night two conversations. But there’s so much consistency...I feel like the late game of Big Brother is universal season after season, and this video helps explain universality among the early game despite ludicrous twists and day one boots.
The only thing this video doesn’t cover which I’ll have to dig through myself is Dr. Will’s original observation. It’s not necessarily the people winning these competitions who are evicted, it’s the people consistently coming close to winning. Too much to think about, but I’ve definitely reconsidered everything I thought about throwing competitions, even later ones.
Thank you so much I’ve been waiting for this!!
Omg 20:29 that clip from season 20 was great to end the vid keep it up peridiam!
Great video ... I want to know how many players have actually used the veto on someone else ... like if using a veto on someone messed up their game... just an idea ...love your videos !
great idea! id love that
LAUGHING OUT LOUD IN CYBERSPEAK
Sheryl being voted out was a miracle in disguise.
BB3's first HOH competition was interesting, too, because it was essentially a popularity contest out of the gate. The house VOTED for their HOH. And I love that it was a vote between Lisa, the winner, and Lori, the first evictee of that season. Kind of poetic.
"LOL which stands for laughing out loud in cyberspeak" Goddamn was that first season really this lame?
It was 2000 and based off the UK game. So, yeah
@@BigMattXXL The first game of Big Brother was actually in the Netherlands in 1997.
@@imnotabotrlyimnot I know. But the original US version was based mainly around UK's version of it
Yes!! Been waiting for this!
Fantastic topic. It's really interesting because there are so many variables to take into account that I think it's impossible to make a blanket statement either way. Are you a more physical or social player? Is the competition more chance-based or endurance? Not to mention that because of the filming schedule, the first HOH is in power for almost two weeks making them prone to HOHitis having never experienced what it's like to sleep downstairs and not have people always coming to them. Also, forming a big alliance is great but it has to be people who work well together. If not, you have The Moving Company. Had Amanda not pulled McCrae away from that group of misfits, he could have easily been an early boot.
I would say that if there's any sort of general rule it's that as long as you can keep your ego in check and you have a certain level of charm, it's okay to be the week one HOH. People will offer you a lot and you can pick where to go. Just don't be too committal. Plus, like you mentioned Peridiam, the lack of solid bonds makes it easy to sell your nominations with little backlash as long as you aren't obviously gunning for certain people.
In fairness to Cody in season 19, he got screwed during his HOH reign. Megan self evicted, Alex won POV and Paul was protected from eviction. Kind of hard not to crash and burn when you nominate 5 people in 1 week.
100% I would try to win the first hoh. My game plan would be to wait for someone to come up to me suggesting I target the biggest threat......and that person(s) would become my target. Winning the first hoh makes you a threat so why would I want to keep someone in the house who's targeting threats? I would use this to form a alliance with the biggest threats in the hopes of having a team of comp beasts to watch my back when I'm no longer hoh.
Possible video topic, broken/over powered abilities in both BBUS and Can and other season that it was relevant. You’ve mentioned Jeff’s Coup d’Etat as well as the first twist, the Camp Director (being HoH without being the HoH), can fall into this lane.
Mark Lisowski Paul’s pendant of protection should be included in this too
It's always good to win the first HOH, because it means you aren't the first person to go home. The only person who's game was completely destroyed after a week 1 HOH was Cody. But that was due to him trying to backdoor his own alliance member, Paul. There was no saving his game after that. He ended up getting evicted the next week.
Hey Peridiam, slight correction, you swapped the percentile ranks. Higher numbers are better; 60th percentile means you did better than 60% of people, and 30th percentile means you did better than 30% of people.
The mad lad actually did it. Excellent
I wouldn’t throw the first weeks HOH. I’m not the most social person when people first meet me, so I think it will hurt me to not have power. I would not try to win veto.
Great video, BUT... the *only* reason Lisa won BB3 was because the Jury got to see *Danielle Reyes’* Diary 📔 Rooms BEFORE Voting 🗳. Otherwise, Lisa would not have been the anomaly 1st HOH Winner. Dr. Will, Dan Ghesling, Derek, & Danielle Reyes are the 4 greatest of all time, but Reyes “was robbed” of her rightful Victory (like how the great Russell Hantz had his victory stolen on Survivor...twice).
Please talk about the people who have gotten third place, there is a lot of interesting people there like Vanessa, Victoria, or Janelle.
I don’t even watch Big Brother, or really know much about it, but Peridiam created the video, so I’ll watch it anyway
I instinctively voted for throwing the first HOH. But after some thinking, I think the game has evolved to the point where winning that first HOH is critical in forming an alliance that’ll carry you thru the early game.
Examples of failures
Cody from bb19 well that was kinda bad luck
Successes are Tyler from bb20 he was solid no matter what
Productions pet...
@@jamelwelch8127 Tyler wasn't production's pet y'all just upset that he dismantled the Hive
Brian Castillo Who is y’all and also the hive dismantled themselves Lmfaooo but go off
@@jamelwelch8127 Tyler getting Kaitlyn to flip in the first two weeks set up but go off
Brian Castillo Actually Scottie voting out swaggy brought upon mistrust among the hive and Scottie
I would try to win the first HOH. I’ll just do “what the house wants.” Everybody will approach me about this, and I will form a solid alliance of about 7-9 people. When we get to the jury stage, I will pick 2 or 3 other people and simply dominate the game. I won’t win competitions then until I absolutely need to. Then, I select a possible goat and cut my last remains of the alliance until I bring my goat to the finals. However, I am not good with endurance, so I probably won’t ever win the first HOH, let alone go on big brother.
You should do is it better to throw or go for the first individual immunity
Would love to see a “survivor loved ones challenge” version of this
i kinda feel like the first HoH is the easiest one....you get about two weeks to talk to people and figure out your own alliances/relationships, you can use the guise of barely knowing anyone to nominate two people the house doesn't seem to gel with, then slide into the background once its done.
I remember Hayden being such a heartthrob for me back in the day. 😂😂 My God.
Hey Peridiam. I gotta ask. Would you try to win the Final 4 HOH or do you throw that and reach for that Final Veto instead
I would try to win that HOH if I had a chance. At that point there's little room to maneuver, may as well get the W.
2:33
“Regina, Gretchen and Karen,”
LMAO
Ive actually been pondering about whether or not getting the 1st HoH is good or not. I went through all the seasons in my head but didnt really come up with some statistics, so this video was very insightful
Honestly I would probably go for the first HoH only because im a shy person and it could be a really good way to work my way into the cracks and start up my social game
@@MidnightUmbra same if you are introverted you should prob go for it and establish some relationships with your power. you need to make sure you choose ppl who are very loyal and will aid you down the line, make sure to analyze ppl's personalities and character to see who you are most compatible with.
I wouldn’t even win a comp wym. Winning a comp gives u a big target on your back especially in the early weeks
Next video idea: most ingenious moves of big brother. 1) Dan's funeral. 2) will kirby telling everyone that he hates them 😂😂
I would want to win the first HOH because I'm a bit shy at first and I think I'd be an easy first boot! Gotta form that alliance quick!
My reason to actually go for the first HoH is that my social game would be my weak spot, and forcing people to come talk to me (Hi, Kemi! Hello, Steve!) would help cover that hole in my game. Also, you brought up the inverse of a point I think applies here. While you would throw the first HoH if you didn't plan on winning many comps, if you feel you might have to (for example, you know you'll be viewed as a physical threat), then the same applies. If you feel like you're pretty safe the first couple of weeks without doing too much, there is absolutely no reason to win HoH.
PLEASE BE ON HOH, and please talk more about POW POW from season 16
I know this is an old video, but it's new to me. :-) I just wanted to say great video! I've been in love with Big Brother since season 2, and I consider myself a student of the game in terms of tactics and gameplay. People who say that you should lose the first HOH, well, that's Big Brother 101. Advanced tactics suggest that it all depends on you. You ultimately have to know yourself. A person who has really good people skills and can make friends and alliances easily, they don't need to win the first HOH necessarily. I'm not that easy to get to know, I'm shy, so winning the first HOH would be crucial. Because once a person wins HOH, everyone comes out of the woodwork to make an alliance with them. And I would need that protection to have that wiggle room to make meaningful connections. As an aside, I believe that the smartest person to not win Big Brother is Danielle. Just sayin.' :-)
I'd gun for it if I knew I was in a safe position. Like, lets say I win HoH... but I don't have an alliance or any relations, that's not the best news. So you've gotta use this power to make friends and alliances early on. But if by the time you nominated your houseguests and have nobody backing you, you're an easy target for an HoH next week to get the least amount of blood on your hands. Personally, my strategy going in would to feel everybody out, and work with people I like (not who I think are beasts, but who I like, because if you have strength in numbers, trust and reliability is more important than bron.) Once/if I'm apart of, lets say, a 6 man alliance, I try my best for HoH, and work from there, knowing I have support and that I'm not an easy target next week. In fact, I think this puts the 2nd HoH in a tougher position if not in my alliance (The Sexy 6). That's just my thoughts on it though, I could be totally fooling myself :)
i think judge it based on how well you've bonded with the other houseguests (and judge it as the comp continues). do you think you'd be included in an alliance with any of the people remaining? if there's someone who isn't out yet that might not want to align with you (or that you know will target you) then stay in at least until they get out.
It still makes me angry that Enzo didn't win.
SARA just won one
Caleb and Frankie were both hoh and got themselves into the bomb squad power alliance that really ran the game
I always thought it was better to establish a group using the power of HOH in the first week then float by but thats my opinion i guess
Ugh god BB season!! So excited to watch more peridiam!!!!!
Like i said in the poll, the absolute smartest move you can make in Week 1 is throw that HOH comp but be in that majority alliance being formed around the HOH
KingMattXL The only problem I have with this is, if you are the HOH, you almost guarantee your spot in that majority alliance. Whereas if you are not HOH, it kind of has to fall to you. If it doesn’t, you could easily find yourself on the outs and in a bad spot early. I do agree though, if you can avoid HOH and still be in that “First HOH alliance”, that is the best case scenario.
@@mikereick6019 I think the easiest way to have it fall to you is form some sort of friendship with the HOH and just stay in or near the HOH Room where the alliance creation usually happens
I would want to lose because I don't want that target. I would not just win it for a big alliance at the beginning because we have seen some of those fall apart very quickly and could potentially disintegrate everyone's game in that alliance.
I think if you have any “easy” reason that you might be put up week one (being the “old guy”, the big physical threat, etc.), then it makes sense to go for that first HoH. It’s definitely more important to form a strong alliance week one which typically includes whoever wins that first HoH. I personally wouldn’t go for it because I don’t think I’d have an easy target week one, but it always depends on who’s in the house with you so it’s impossible to say. If I felt like I could be an “outsider” with the cast then I’d try for it to be safe.
Hayden is one of my all time faves. He was a beast
I know that may late to comment on this, but after thinking about, while I like the video, there is one area where I think your thought process, though I see where you were going, is a little incomplete; comparing the success of the 1st HoH to the 2nd HoH. I where you were coming from to compared, and I feel like there needs to more of a discussion, like another video, of when someone needs to win HoH or any competition in order to make it to the end and win the game. Although Big Brother is a game of social strategy, as you stressed, but comps as big part of the game since that is main source of power to primarily either name or alter the noms for eviction. As a result, I would love for you to do a history of the past BB winners (and possibly runner-up) comp wins (focus on HoH and Veto) in order to gauge the statistics for BBUS and BBCan (separate and combined):
1. When to start winning comps to get your self to the end to plead for jury votes.
2. How many HoH and Veto comps one should win based on the past winner (and possibly runner-up)
3. Your overall thought and how much that matter (both in your opinion and jury perception/management)
Winning that first HOH typically gets you into a powerful alliance
If you think winning the first HOH is dangerous, drink this in: no one who has ever won the second HOH has gone on to win the game in the U.S. version. They have in Canada, but not in the U.S.
As for my first week strategy, I would probably not even worry about it. I would likely follow Will and Dan's examples, only win the competitions I need to win, and rely on social connections and strategic skills to make it to the end.
Does anyone know any other channels that analyzes Big Brother like this one? I love to watch them but I haven’t had any luck finding any on my own
YESSSS! IM SO EXCITED!
And then came frenchie
YUP
yesss points for the katie shoutout
Maybe you could do like a top 5 or 10 of house meetings or something like that
Love the mean girls reference lol
7:07 This shows you how old BB is by looking at the Doritos bag.
Yeeeey love your bb videos
If I am eligible, I would gun for the first that HoH. That tends to have the most opportunities to create and advance your game out of any comp in any given season for the most part. Although I get the mindset of win only if necessary, but winning comps provide a risk/reward situation of increasing the target your back while that is the main form of obtaining power in the game, and if used right, power in Big Brother yield opportunities. If used incorrectly, power can backfire and lead to a flameout
I would love it if you could do a video about diversity in the casting. With the David and Kemi situation, I think right now a lot of people are really talking about the lack of diversity (specifically in black people) in BB21 and in Big Brother in general and the fact that a black person has never won in 21 seasons of the main show (there's CBB but like that doesn't' really count in my opinion).
In the four years since this video, we've had Michie who did kind of win the first HoH by being elected the Camp Director and we had Cody win the week 1 HoH and then steamroll. But then we had the Epic Frenchie flameout of BB23, the power flipping on Daniel in BB24, and a relatively underbaked HoH power in BB25. The first HoH is certainly over-represented among winners and presents a strong path to the end, but there's also now a stronger sense that in order to find a dominant alliance and run the season, you don't NEED to include the HoH or even form week 1.
Mix it into both of these two strategies. Win the first (or second) HOH because you want the power dynamic to revolve around you. But throw stuff after week one or two once you have the safety because it won't matter if you look unthreatening. Take Jessica from BB19 for example. She was part of a strong alliance, but once things started to fall apart, the house had a real chance to evict her, and chose a floater instead because she was unthreatening to them and weak at the time. Cody coming back was the worst thing for her game, otherwise she could have been swalloed as a number for another stronger alliance. Win the first HOH not as a competition-based strategy, but as an alliance-based strategy. You get the best of both options: either a strong alliance to carry you, or an under the radar game to float you. there's mo reason you cant have both
I feel like I would throw it, but try to make a deal for safety in the process
I think that as First HOH you automatically emerge as a leader personality. Sometimes that goes well i.e. Tyler, and sometimes it goes horribly i.e. Mike Boogie. It’s up to the first HOH to prove to the house that they are not a target and that they are approachable and not just considered as a threat.
I keep seeing today many articles about racism on the show. Instead of blaming the guy that won, why don't people blame the producers for not having a more inclusive cast?
Because to say that guy should have stayed because he was black, is racist.
Don't single someone out for their skin, whether it's in a good way or bad. They are more than their skin color.
And picking someone because they are black, means not choosing someone else because they aren't black. Which is, surprise, also racist.
In that case wouldn't the producers be doing exactly what you're saying is wrong? It looks like they try to cast based on the the actual demographics of the country. So if they're looking to cast more minorities they would probably be going out of their way to find more while throwing out the majority of applications because they aren't the right color or LGBT.
I’m still waiting for that BBCAN7 review
11:28 I mean Kevin (Martin) made it work
My man just dropped a friggin mean girls reference in there
Have you applied for big brother or survivor ? I’m curious
Win, create a majority alliance, nominate who the house wants to, and start a fight with two big players on the two sides of the house
Are you doing another video on who can win this season?
We haven’t had any legends on big brother in years. No one has stood out as wow their game is awesome besides Paul when he came back
Lauren Nicole Tyler was easily up there.
Not to mention that after Season 14, we entered the supersize era, with 90+ day seasons and more houseguests to go through.
you should make a video and talk about the evolution of the "bitter jury member" and how we went from having evel dick winning, to kaycee over tyler, paras over kaela, josh over paul, and essentially people who just had fewer enemies at the end of it all. hopefully that idea made sense lol
Please review the amazing race 31
So it entirely depends on the player. If someone knows they are strong at endurance/athletic comps, or someone knows they are good at the social stuff, forming friendships, hiding behind others players, then throw the first HOH. But if your goal is to form alliances through power, then go for it.
I voted that I would throw the first hoh, but after watching this video, I have changed my mind. Only because I think savvy players will realize I'm trying to throw it. Ovi did a good job of throwing it in the middle of the pack. But if I was a player, I'd be very suspicious of Tommy throwing it right at the end. I suppose throwing it can be a good move, but it also depends on how it's thrown.
Now, can we have a video about the myth of if you walk into the house first you never win?
Have you watched any of South African survivor? If you have you should 100 percent review it!
Yes he has
Dan Gheesling is my all time favorite BB player but Brittney's wit is the best the game has seen yet.