Lenovo ThinkVision M14 Portable USB-C Display Review

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  • Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024

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  • @ilyashulman7650
    @ilyashulman7650 2 года назад +8

    Hi there! Thanks a lot for the review! 2 years after the review, would you still recommend this display or would you suggest something else that wasn't available back then?

  • @ABMNATN
    @ABMNATN 4 года назад +12

    Picked up two for $350 yesterday.
    Gonna use them for trading while travelling the world.
    Update:
    Dual M14's work flawlessly with my 6th Gen X1 Carbon. Multitasking is a breeze while traveling now.

    • @wlit
      @wlit 4 года назад +2

      how you get it at this price?

    • @ABMNATN
      @ABMNATN 4 года назад

      @@wlit Cyber Monday Sale. Plus an additional Military discount of 10%.

    • @helmetculture
      @helmetculture 4 года назад +1

      How do you power them? All of X1C?

    • @alvinpatrick
      @alvinpatrick 4 года назад

      This is awesome. Are the M14s daisy chained or did you plug each to the X1?

    • @ABMNATN
      @ABMNATN 4 года назад

      @@alvinpatrick Individually connected into my X1 Carbon. The M14's come with USB Type-C connections on both sides. Connect the power cord into the M14 and the power can be sent through to the Laptop.

  • @brendawashington1610
    @brendawashington1610 4 года назад +9

    Thanks. I will be returning mine as it does not work with my laptop (Lenovo Flex 5). Which has the 1st generation usb type c. I'm commenting so others will know this. I did not find anything about this on Lenovo's site. Thanks, Lon.

    • @Montisaquadeis
      @Montisaquadeis 4 года назад +1

      Yeah many laptops with USB-C and hdmi/displayports won't do Displayport alt mode over their Type-c ports since they already have built in hdmi/DP for display. Which is why I was required to purchase a portable monitor with hdmi inputs and USB for power.

  • @dionhenderson
    @dionhenderson 4 года назад +14

    Mate just wanted to say that your reviews are extremely thorough! Keep up the great work.

  • @papoosee
    @papoosee 3 года назад +8

    I was able to get a non-USB-C laptop to display on the Thinkvision. I used an active HDMI to Display port adapter (HDMI 1.4, not 2.0), and then a bi-directional Displayport to USB C adapter. Can get both on amazon. I have a macbook pro 2015 before they switched to USB-C.

    • @Alejandrojr33
      @Alejandrojr33 2 года назад

      I have a Macbook Air 2015 and was wondering if the Thinkvision would work woth it using a usb type a to type c adapter. What's your thoughts? Thank you!

    • @papoosee
      @papoosee 2 года назад +2

      @@Alejandrojr33 it will not work with just a simple USB Type A-to-USB-C. It will work with the method I described above and will work on the MacBook Air 2015 (it’s pretty much the same laptop as “15 Pro). Note, the set up I used costs about $70-$80 (it’s not basic adapters). BUT, I would not recommend getting this (or any USB-C portable monitor) if you don’t have USB-C port on your laptop . The reason is because while the Lenovo will display with the correct set-up, it will not get power from your laptop no matter how many adapters you get (only USB-C enabled ports passes power), so you’ll have to buy a separate power adapter and always have it plugged into the thinkvision, making the “portable” aspect null. I ended up buying a new laptop that has USB-C and the thinkvision really shines when you use it with the proper laptop. If you aren’t going to buy a new laptop with USB-C, I recommend finding a different portable monitor that doesn’t exclusively use USB-c. There are many on Amazon and it’s cheaper and works just as good as thinkvision.

    • @Alejandrojr33
      @Alejandrojr33 2 года назад

      @@papoosee thanks for replying Tim! I appreciate it 🙏🏽

    • @emlep221
      @emlep221 2 года назад

      could you please post a little desing showing the various connections. Thanks

    • @abbaskazmi1566
      @abbaskazmi1566 Год назад

      Hi how can I use two m14 monitors with one laptop.

  • @KW-vm5fc
    @KW-vm5fc 4 года назад +3

    I'm looking at this moment it or now as a buy, didn't realize you had reviewed some months ago. Thanks.

  • @keenesaulcrescini8687
    @keenesaulcrescini8687 4 года назад +4

    Your review of this product is SOLID!

  • @fatjesus1584
    @fatjesus1584 5 лет назад +3

    They should make one of these with active pen support and a phone dock for Dex devices. That would make for a pretty cool budget, if hacky, Surface.

  • @jasperzhao
    @jasperzhao 4 года назад +3

    Good review indeed. This will go very well with my ThinkPad.

  • @XshadowsDie
    @XshadowsDie 4 года назад +2

    Vesa mount is available, there are two screw holes underneath the stand.

  • @alf.2929
    @alf.2929 5 лет назад +3

    I'm kind of surprise it only has a horizontal orientation. If you were a coder a second portable monitor that you can switch to a vertical orientation would be really great if you work remotely.

  • @purplefuku
    @purplefuku 4 года назад +23

    It’s a nice design, but it would be hard to justify this for me, considering there’s so many USB-C monitors that support HDMI (and even DisplayPort!) If I’m gonna spend the money, I’d like to have the option of using it with a Switch or an iPhone or any number of other devices...

    • @iamu2247
      @iamu2247 3 года назад

      I'm in the market... What other portable monitors would you guys consider and recommend?

    • @partha2806
      @partha2806 3 года назад

      @@iamu2247 There are not many tbh

    • @BillOweninOttawa
      @BillOweninOttawa 2 года назад

      @@iamu2247 Viewsonic

  • @ciaramaher3619
    @ciaramaher3619 2 года назад +1

    Thinking of buying this today for use with my MacBook Pro.... anyone have feedback on using these 2 together?

    • @will_lowry
      @will_lowry Год назад

      Did you end up buying it? Considering getting one for my MacBook as well 💻

  • @zudabenhur
    @zudabenhur 4 года назад

    Great review Lon! Could you tell if I can use this monitor with MacBook Pro 13" 2020 model?

  • @byonatan1
    @byonatan1 4 года назад +4

    Thanks for the video, you showed that the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 works when there is another power connection, but does it work without another power connection as well? If not, does Galaxy Note 10 will work? Thanks

    • @DragonAsure
      @DragonAsure 4 года назад

      s10 works without issues, so I guess notes should work as well

    • @jhanick
      @jhanick 3 года назад

      It'll work with the note

  • @wjrasmussen666
    @wjrasmussen666 4 года назад

    I just ordered one. That stand is nice.

    • @levantateyora9317
      @levantateyora9317 4 года назад

      How much you got it for. And wen you resive it pls let me know how good it is.

  • @hk6926
    @hk6926 3 года назад

    Love the video . Buying for surface go 2 😍

  • @gizmogeek47
    @gizmogeek47 5 лет назад +1

    i like this device for travel and portability.
    and i noticed, that you did not test the media players like : amazon fire tv stick 4k / apple tv / nvidia shield tv / roku stick (assuming you use hdmi to usb-c adapter going to the monitor).
    please let me know if that works. overall, great review as always!

    • @LonSeidman
      @LonSeidman  5 лет назад +3

      We tested the HDMI to USB-C adapter it doesn't work. Only devices with USB-C alt mode will work with this display, those media players don't have it.

    • @gizmogeek47
      @gizmogeek47 5 лет назад

      @@LonSeidman thank you lon, awesome reply! more power to your channel!

  • @Montisaquadeis
    @Montisaquadeis 5 лет назад +26

    Lenovo would have a bunch of 14" 1080p IPS panels laying around LOL

  • @keviin077
    @keviin077 4 года назад +1

    Great review. Thanks a lot.

  • @nguyenhongan55
    @nguyenhongan55 4 года назад +1

    The panel is crashed so easily. I bought the m14 four days ago and it has crashed without reason, I put it in the cover and the covert put in my bag. Everything looks well but the panel is crashed. I have no idea with it because the manufacture's service denies warranty or fix it. Hope they make the screen and the back harder in the next version.

    • @hb1949
      @hb1949 3 года назад

      Crashed or cracked?

  • @teeraparbchantavat6184
    @teeraparbchantavat6184 4 года назад +2

    Is it possible to connect the ThinkVision M14 to a PS4 console?

  • @williamvu6300
    @williamvu6300 4 года назад +10

    Can you connect multiple M14 screens for a triple screen setup?

  • @userjff182
    @userjff182 5 лет назад +1

    Hey Lon, is the hinges made of metal?

  • @MrBaalin
    @MrBaalin 3 года назад

    Disclosures up front? thank you!

  • @joeldcph329
    @joeldcph329 3 года назад

    I connected this to my Samsung Android phone and it works perfectly. The only issue is that the usb-c power delivery does not seem to work. Is there are minimum requirement on what usb-c charger to use?

  • @arnabseal7629
    @arnabseal7629 4 года назад +1

    I'm using a Lenovo S540, it has a type-C port (a non thunderbolt port), will it work with this monitor?

  • @arigato7788
    @arigato7788 5 лет назад +9

    yikes, that's pretty expensive for worse compatibility than the competition, couldn't they put an HDMI-in as well with all the room they had to work with? doesn't seem to have built-in speakers or a headphone jack either...

  • @efficaciousuave
    @efficaciousuave 3 года назад

    what if you plug in a lightning to hdmi adaptor to iphone 11.?? it has a charging port too. so plug in your iphone charger to the dongle. tehn plug in a hdmi to type c cable. the hdmi end will go into the iphone, and the type c end will go into the monitor. i saw a video on youtube from viewsonic they did this to mirror theor iphone. i wonder if this will work here as well since both are usb c portable monitors.

  • @fariborzkavoussi6518
    @fariborzkavoussi6518 3 года назад

    Thanks for Video. To my understanding, I can connect devices which got USB-C DisplayPort Alt -Modus. Do you know beside the devices you mentioned any simple tablets which is in range ~200-300 Euro which got USB-C DisplayPort Alt -Modus connection? Lenovo and Samsung does not have.

  • @markinrealtime8715
    @markinrealtime8715 4 года назад +1

    Hi LonTV, do you know if this works for Google Pixel 3 or perhaps found a solution to make it work? :

  • @abhk
    @abhk 3 года назад +1

    i find it more bright than my lenovo yoga laptop though, i wish it could be lower but good review. thanks. I set it to minimum and it is still brighter. Anyone else see this as a problem?

  • @mazaboorm
    @mazaboorm 4 года назад

    the port is usb-C but the connection is Thunderbolt or i am wrong? because if you are looking for a longer cable you wouldn't find a usb-c cable that is able to transfer the HDMI signal.

  • @SKSTation
    @SKSTation 4 года назад +4

    Does this monitor support Nintendo Switch display out with one single typec-to-typec usb cacle?

  • @anuraj5295
    @anuraj5295 11 месяцев назад

    It works with m1 mac studio? This monitor good for work as video editing second monitor? Your opinion please

  • @lawRN23
    @lawRN23 Год назад

    I LOVED mine, but it suddenly is not working. Am I pushing something I shouldn't be? So bummed!

  • @MainlakeFishguides
    @MainlakeFishguides 2 года назад

    Thank you. Great stuff.

  • @lihatjalanan1979
    @lihatjalanan1979 Год назад

    How to connect this monitor to my PC? Are with VGA HDMI converter to USB C with extra USB C power supply?

  • @mcace64
    @mcace64 5 лет назад +1

    wondering if you can compare a indiegogo product that looks exactly the same as this and close to the same price but I think it was touch screen and it might be rechargeable
    don't know the name

    • @106dls
      @106dls 4 года назад

      Shut up. You compare them your damn self. The nerve.

  • @joec200012
    @joec200012 2 года назад

    Everyone always says for laptop or mobile device but I want to know it works with a fairly high end pc right?

  • @eddieeddiemoates6253
    @eddieeddiemoates6253 Год назад

    Thanks for posting!

  • @PhiLeo7973
    @PhiLeo7973 5 лет назад

    I'm still trying to figure out how to connect my LG Aristo phone to either my old Samsung Tab 2 7.0 or a COBY 15" inch TV/ Monitor(HDMI)to watch NETFLIX via the phone's USB 2.0 connector. Maybe one of those GAEMs monitors? Thx guys.

  • @abbaskazmi1566
    @abbaskazmi1566 Год назад

    Hi how can I use two m14 monitors with one laptop.

  • @markjonesii9644
    @markjonesii9644 Год назад

    Great video!

  • @Evenmixer
    @Evenmixer 4 года назад

    The Note 9 can display and charges the M14 without a charger (apple charger you used) ?

  • @devincurrie4145
    @devincurrie4145 11 месяцев назад

    Please enable auto-caption in English for this video? Thanks.

  • @Angultra
    @Angultra 5 лет назад

    Bit pricey but a solid no-frills option for productivity. Would it work with a USB-C to USB-A 3.0 cable?

  • @balajis1901
    @balajis1901 3 года назад

    HI i am not able to connect my mobile to this, can you help me how to resolve it

  • @Capons_Place
    @Capons_Place 4 года назад

    The question is, does a GalaxyNote9 be enough to run the display on it's own?
    I would more then appreciate your respond

    • @alvinpatrick
      @alvinpatrick 4 года назад

      I tested it on a Note 8 and it works.

  • @JerodMatlock
    @JerodMatlock 5 лет назад +2

    Did it have touch capability on DeX?

  • @Ysekai
    @Ysekai 4 года назад

    My laptop doesn't have an USB C supporting DisplayPort Alt Mode. But then what about a USB C to Mini DisplayPort adapter? Could it work? On Amazon, someone even say that an adapter usb c / usb 3.0 is possible, would that be right?
    (I have USB C 3.1 Gen2 but that doesn't support DisplayPort Alt Mode)

  • @upendras6246
    @upendras6246 3 года назад

    Does it work on hi-siera or Catalina?

  • @vctaillon
    @vctaillon 4 года назад +1

    Nice format, too bad no mini HDMI or adapter compatible use, Lenovo makes it unuseble for most folks with today's laptop mobile setups.

    • @vctaillon
      @vctaillon 4 года назад

      @Frank Sparks I have a Lenovo laptop, explain that why they don't provide an adapter . ASUS makes portable with mini HDMI, and usb c to a adapter that works fine.

  • @comrademo8419
    @comrademo8419 3 года назад

    Is it also compatible with a desktop?

  • @foodstunts
    @foodstunts 3 года назад

    Saved me buying this by mistake as needed it for xbox

  • @jhanick
    @jhanick 3 года назад

    The touch is even cooler

  • @jaybas88
    @jaybas88 4 года назад

    Do you if it works with an iPhone XS?

  • @vicdhillon7723
    @vicdhillon7723 3 года назад

    Will this work on the M1 MacBook Pro?

  • @ericfricke4512
    @ericfricke4512 3 года назад

    Cries in mid-2015 MacBook with no USB-C :(

  • @dukevanderpuije4885
    @dukevanderpuije4885 4 года назад

    Can I use this for Twitch gaming

  • @f1m2gu
    @f1m2gu 4 года назад

    I am wondering why, when both support DP-Alt Mode, Lenovo M14 does not work with Nintendo switch while Xtentouch XT 1610F does using USB C-USB C Cable.

    • @logic0000
      @logic0000 4 года назад

      Because Nintendo switch uses MyDP (Mobile DisplayPort) which is not standard DisplayPort 1.2 protocol.

  • @bangbadar
    @bangbadar 4 года назад

    will it work with pixel slate?

  • @chriscuthbertson
    @chriscuthbertson 5 лет назад +10

    No HDMI input is a dealbreaker for me.

    • @Montisaquadeis
      @Montisaquadeis 5 лет назад +1

      Agreed since my laptop doesn't do display over its 2 USB-C ports I would require HDMI or Displayport inputs with USB for power. Which is why I purchased a 15.6" 1080p IPS portable monitor off of Amazon that has HDMI in and USB for power. Works perfectly even for Samsung Dex. also no portrait mode with the monitor's built in stand.
      www.amazon.com/Kenowa-Portable-Computer-1920X1080-Raspberry/dp/B07C5LPZMW/ is the monitor I have

    • @StewartStewart
      @StewartStewart 5 лет назад

      You say on a review of a USB-C display

    • @chriscuthbertson
      @chriscuthbertson 5 лет назад

      @@StewartStewart if it had both USB c and hdmi I would be happy. Until all devices support the USB c video 'standard' it needs hdmi as a backup imo

    • @MrMadwyn
      @MrMadwyn 4 года назад

      @@chriscuthbertson Check Indiegogo, there are plenty alternatives with HDMI and even a batteries.

  • @menoats
    @menoats 4 года назад

    Does it work with a Raspberry Pi4?

  • @mikenauss1
    @mikenauss1 3 года назад

    Hi Lon: I just received my Lenovo M14, I am using it with a new macbook pro M1. I am finding it to be great, however the font size is quite a bit bigger than what's on my computer. Do you know a way to fix this or do you think I'll just have to live with it. Thanks !!

    • @LonSeidman
      @LonSeidman  3 года назад

      I would check to make sure that you're at 1080p for the resolution and turn down the screen scaling to 100%

  • @hoangthanhtung53ca
    @hoangthanhtung53ca 4 года назад +1

    Hi there. I would like to ask one question. Does this work in bios? Does this shows information when booting. I want to use this for both my laptop and desktop and switch between OS so it is important to see the boot screen. Thank you.

    • @LonSeidman
      @LonSeidman  4 года назад +1

      It depends on the system but I believe it should come up when the system boots since it's using DisplayPort over the USB-C cable.

    • @hoangthanhtung53ca
      @hoangthanhtung53ca 4 года назад +3

      Thank you so much. I will buy it next month and will get back with the result on my systems.

    • @boiboi71223
      @boiboi71223 4 года назад

      @@hoangthanhtung53ca Can u share some feedback, I planning to buy it. Thanks

    • @hoangthanhtung53ca
      @hoangthanhtung53ca 4 года назад +2

      Hi @@boiboi71223, it works well but your computer must have DP over USB-C. It shows BIOS screen during boot so you can use it as your primary monitor for your desktop (if you want to).

    • @nhattran5757
      @nhattran5757 4 года назад

      @@hoangthanhtung53ca Thanks for your reply. My laptop is Thinkpad X1 Yoga gen 2nd. It's already USB C with PD technology. I will buy this portable monitor. Thanks you and Happy Lunar New Year.

  • @raduser
    @raduser 5 лет назад

    Great video, as usual. I have one question. I have a Google Pixelbook (with Type-C connectors on both sides), will this display work? Thanks.

    • @LonSeidman
      @LonSeidman  5 лет назад

      I believe it will !

    • @raduser
      @raduser 5 лет назад

      @@LonSeidman Thanks. I looked at the tech specs but didn't specifically see "Type-C Alt Mode", but I think I will give it a go.

    • @LonSeidman
      @LonSeidman  5 лет назад

      @@raduser I am almost positive that Google's Pixelbooks support all USB-C modes.

  • @garlandrhodes5608
    @garlandrhodes5608 3 года назад

    Why there no CC in this video?

  • @DucTran-ez3oy
    @DucTran-ez3oy 4 года назад

    Can the M14 work by just plugging USB-C with phone only (no other power supply, phone battery is the source)?

    • @livll2
      @livll2 3 года назад

      my galaxy note 8 powers it pretty well and works beautifully on DeX. but so far that's the only thing I can connect...

  • @Land0fAsh
    @Land0fAsh 4 года назад

    Is this a touchscreen at all?

  • @dripx2728
    @dripx2728 4 года назад

    Is it possible to connect it android??

  • @baggiotsai
    @baggiotsai 3 года назад

    Can it work with M1 Mac Mini ?

  • @DreddGan
    @DreddGan 2 года назад

    I wonder if it is compatible with mac mini m1? Thank you

  • @workwithwegs4541
    @workwithwegs4541 4 года назад

    Will it work on a old macbook pro like mid 2014 which I got? Thanks!

  • @Robindontdoit
    @Robindontdoit 3 года назад

    Does it require drivers?

  • @xeon7698
    @xeon7698 Год назад

    大家別買了 顯示器用沒一陣子就壞了 有保養但是說是客戶自己的問題 完全就不是一個大品牌應有的保養和售後 強烈推薦用其他品牌比這個聯想更好

  • @sauravsamant4778
    @sauravsamant4778 3 года назад

    They should make a amoled version of it

  • @fedro2439
    @fedro2439 4 года назад

    Can we use our tablet screen to act like an portable monitor? I have been trying to search on anywhere unfortunately nobody talk about this. If there is one, please someone let me now.

  • @h.e.b.5497
    @h.e.b.5497 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for your review great review video. I am looking for a portable display to use for long hours of articles and textbook reading. So my questions are:
    Q1 - Is this a matte display?
    Q2 - I have ThinkPad P1 2019, is this display picture quality similar to Thinkpad P1?
    Q3 - Based on your experience, do you recommend this display as a replacement of the e-ink tablets (minus their touch screen feature)?

    • @StewartStewart
      @StewartStewart 4 года назад +1

      A1 - Yes, it is matte.
      A2 - Yes, if you took the 1080p option. This has the same gamut, brightness, and contrast.
      A3 - They're not that comparable. You would get e-ink tablets for very different reasons.

    • @h.e.b.5497
      @h.e.b.5497 4 года назад

      @@StewartStewart Thank you for your answers. very helpful.
      Just a quck question, are you planning to make a review video about the new version the " ThinkVision M14t USB-C Mobile Monitor with Touch Screen " ?

  • @itslucasyap
    @itslucasyap 5 лет назад

    Seems interesting. Can't say much

  • @amankumar-ft2ck
    @amankumar-ft2ck 4 года назад

    Can I connect with my desktop rtx 2080ti

    • @LundeSite
      @LundeSite 4 года назад

      I'm waiting for the 3080Ti, after that I'm thinking I'd use it to play Clicker Heroes with 252,551,441ª FPS.

  • @chrisdamonsworld
    @chrisdamonsworld 4 года назад

    Nice

  • @arielfrancis3332
    @arielfrancis3332 2 года назад

    does this monitor allow you to use it as a 2nd screen?.. I work on 2 screens simultaneously at work (I can drag Excel, QuickBooks etc from 1 screen to the 2nd screen)

  • @newbie101
    @newbie101 4 года назад +1

    No speaker and touch screen...bummer!

  • @call050
    @call050 2 года назад +1

    Don't buy lenovo m14t. Big mistake I did when I bought it. I suggest all who want full advantage of monitor to not buy this one. It will not work on pc or iphone or ipad like asus zenscreen do.

  • @KW-vm5fc
    @KW-vm5fc 4 года назад

    Stupid autocorrect garbled some words...sorry

  • @TheSanctus17
    @TheSanctus17 4 года назад

    I guess if you really need a portable second monitor, these are okay, but given the featrure set, I would not spend more than about 120 dollars on them. We have used these with Windows PCs and chromebooks and they are just, meh. Nothing special here.

  • @MrChangeordie
    @MrChangeordie 3 года назад

    No Hdmi....no go

  • @alanchan5183
    @alanchan5183 4 года назад

    Will it steal my personal information via the usb port?

  • @escoofimpakt
    @escoofimpakt 5 лет назад

    this just seems less practical than a Gaems monitor or one of those chinese Gaems knock offs atleast they use HDMI

    • @Sonic6293
      @Sonic6293 5 лет назад

      It is a bit more business oriented.

  • @baraanadaa
    @baraanadaa 3 года назад

    Why!? ... What's the point !? .. casting is doing very well .... I think it's useless device 😀

  • @吴俊江
    @吴俊江 4 года назад

    -0-0-0-0-0-0-0-

  • @tcprodigy
    @tcprodigy 5 лет назад

    I skip so quickly as soon as you begin to say "in the interest of full disc...." 😂

  • @KameraShy
    @KameraShy 3 года назад +1

    WHY?!? Expensive, no other input options, a monitor for a laptop which already has a display? No justification for its existence.

  • @Roman-nu1om
    @Roman-nu1om 4 года назад +1

    1080p. Go home lenovo you're drunk.

    • @MrChihinwong
      @MrChihinwong 4 года назад +10

      A portable display should be 1080p, nowadays a 4K panel typically consumes more than 12W, thus it is impossible to be driven by USB power.

    • @Cenot4ph
      @Cenot4ph 4 года назад +3

      ? 4K will drain your battery very rapidly. 1080P is the standard for portable displays.

    • @hk6926
      @hk6926 3 года назад

      4k on a 14 incher is as irrelevant as your comment .

    • @Roman-nu1om
      @Roman-nu1om 3 года назад

      @@hk6926 who's talking about 4K here? It certainly wasn't me

    • @hk6926
      @hk6926 3 года назад

      @@Roman-nu1om so what are you talking about ? Is there anything between 1080p and 4k ?

  • @吴俊江
    @吴俊江 4 года назад

    how many thinkvision m14s could be connected together?

  • @Jeremy-su3xy
    @Jeremy-su3xy 3 года назад

    Does it support DP from laptop?