The state of the Central line at the moment is truly disgraceful. I didn't realise they'd put in 20mph restrictions across such large parts of the network. With all the horror stories surrounding refurbished British Rail and tube stock over the recent years, I don't think that refurbishing the 1992 Stock will increase reliability at all. The Central line desperately needs needs new trains now - I wouldn't be surprised if this situation continues for years. Thank you for highlighting and publicising this issue, a very informative video.
From what I've heard, London underground are meant to send out a track recording train over each part of the network every 3 months. If not then the ORR has to place a temporary speed restriction over that bit of line. Unfortunately the normal train they use for track recording is out of service for whatever reason. They've recently modified a 1972 stock to do the job temporarily, but apparently the third and fourth rail on the central line is slightly higher than it is on other lines, meaning they can't send the 72 over it.
If TfL hadn’t wasted hundreds of £millions on pointless idealogical vanity projects, like turn one-way streets into two-way streets, this situation might not have arisen, despite TfL receiving £6.4 billion (yes, billion, not million) in bailouts from the Government since 2020. Rampant unchecked fare evasion doesn’t help. And yet again TfL blames Covid and complains it’s the Gov fault. Sheer b!oody incompetence more like; just look at the farce that is Hammersmith Bridge. It’s poor on-going vehicle maintenance, letting things slide, lack of parts acquisition planning, happy to let the (still problematic) Elizabeth Line do the heavy lifting, terminal waste in the wrong spending areas, that’s got the Central Line into the disgrace it currently is in. Entirely TfL’s fault. Shameful.
I cant stress how Long it takes to get from Tottenham Court Road back to Wanstead. The 20mph speed limit is so slow in the tunnels. It’s around 5 mins in between Mile End and Stratford now.
Newer stuff is built to be replaced these days. That's where companies get money from after all. Sad state of affairs, really, but entirely predicted (see Brave New World).
@@quintuscrinisthat's more for consumer electronics... not trains. these are just bad trains that, as in the video, are difficult to source replacement parts for
@@pelicannot. not just electronics, it is a general pattern brought about by the increasingly consumerist economy we now live in and the ease of making new items.
Central Line might not have got so knackered had Crossrail finished on time. They never have been the most reliable trains but every time I've used one lately the doors or motors have failed.
This happened to me when I was travelling on that section of the line, the train was travelling much slower than usual and when we got to Leytonstone the train was taken out of service due to a fault.
If Crossrail hadn't opened in 2022, the consequences for London more widely would have been much worse! I would advocate spreading out the introduction of the 2024 stock simultaneously across the Bakerloo and Central lines as well as the Piccadilly, as this would allow for the three legacy fleets to be progressively cannibalised instead of an entire fleet going down the pan. It would mean the 1973 stock being in service for longer.
@@ahuman9143 I did wonder whether Crossrail could take the strain in central London. Existing surface buildings will most likely need to be demolished to allow for ventilation shafts, unless all of these are concentrated along Hyde Park, west of Marble Arch tube station. I think the reopening of British Museum station is worthwhile to relieve Holborn's platforms, or British Museum should be used as the central section's cooling zone.
Well they originally intended for the New Tube for London to come to the Central Line by 2032. That’s since been binned and I’d imagine they’re expecting these refurbs to last beyond that which I can’t see working too well.
The Elizabeth line isn’t exactly a saving grace for London. Billions of pounds spent on it and the constant delays and failures speak volumes. Despite it being around, I find many people still want to use the Central line, regardless of train shortages and the now gone temporary speed restrictions.
On many LU lines there's a green marker board on the platform, if the train isn't stopped within a certain margin, relative to the board, the doors are blocked from opening
That’s not the problem here. The ATO provided an accurate stop but the door release interlock was held causing the doors to fail to release. It’s the piece of equipment that prevents doors from being opened while the train is in motion.
U was riding a really soiled, graffiti, dusty 1992 stock, and it was travelling 10mph in the tunnel between leyton and Stratford, and soon after it was taken out of service. The doors didnt open for 1 minute at Stratford. 1992 stock is FAILING!
You are exaggerating when you described that train as being soiled. Lastly graffiti is of no consequence, the example on the side of that train is a good piece of art.
@@ultraboygaming580 I am a Underground enthusiast, even at age 50 I am not a ignorant conservative person regarding graffiti, it's fine by me so long as the writers don't write on train windows, and the work looks fairly good.
Since all these problems started ive avoided journeys on the Central Line, will be a nightmare in the summer going along at 20mph in the searing heat. Can't see it being sorted out for a long time.
@@TripleDoubleA probably because their route isn't so intensive, only a short distance, and they're not prone to weather damage and rain as they're always underground.
The W&Cs stock are not identical there still 1992 stock but they are not fitted with all the same ATO equipment as the Central Line ones, from what I was told by a driver. And also I did say fairly unique meaning there sort of the only ones if you get what I'm trying to say... Great point though and thanks for pointing that out :)
The W&Cs stock are not identical there still 1992 stock but they are not fitted with all the same ATO equipment as the Central Line ones, from what I was told by a driver. And also I did say fairly unique meaning there sort of the only ones if you get what I'm trying to say... Great point though and thanks for pointing that out :)
@@RailwayWorld_2023 I agree yh, apart from internal differences there are a couple smaller more visible differences too, cos I take the Waterloo and City line now and have seen it has armrests, the accessible area in one of the middle carriages, and a different lock on the internal door to the drivers cabin.
It's shocking how much of a state the central line is in. Even the dying 73 stocks on the piccadilly line are holding up better. I really hope the refurbishment is complete soon.
As a passenger on the Tyne & Wear Metro, I share your pain on the Central Line. The last Labour government agreed funding to upgrade the infrastructure and buy new trains to replace the MetroCars (built in the 1980s with a design life of 30 years) but when the Conservatives took over in 2010 the funding was held up. The infrastructure work has involved line closures, replacing life-expired track, renewing the overhead, and repairing and replacing bridges and embankments - although the Metro opened in the 1980s, a lot of the system took over ex-BR lines dating back to the 1860s and earlier. Then we had Covid .. our lovely shiny new class 555s have an innovative (haha) traction package which needs further testing so the old units are STILL in service ten years after they should have been withdrawn. Some of them were so knackered they have already been scrapped ...
I totally agree, it's really frustrating when funding gets held up. The situation on the Central Line has been getting progressively worse over the last seven or eight years now and this refurbishment thing has been going for five! Hopefully the new Metro Class 555s go into service soon for you, commuting will be alot better, but as for the Central Line its a waiting game for just a refurbishment! I think the Central Line trains are great trains and have served well in London for the last 30 years, and I think its a shame as the longer their leaving them the more they deteriorate which is going to put a bad reputation on them for the good service they provided in the past. I think the funding for railway infrastructure is stupid now, its like their not seeing it as a priority which then makes us as passengers suffer.
@@RailwayWorld_2023 btw, some are entering service already (Ruislip branch) and some on the Hainault loop. They will slowly get refurbished across the whole line from now until they’ve finished
I remember going on the Central Line from Ealing Broadway to West Acton the train in question overshot the platform at West Acton and the train operator could not open the doors at all, the train continued to East Acton and anyone who couldn't get off at West Acton had to go back in the opposite direction... This is not the first time these trains have had issues and won't be the last
No this is ATO seeing a line limit increase before the braking curve. So it speeds up and slows down again while in the platform. Happens all over the central line, the same issue happens with TBTC (jubilee northern etc) but not with CBTC (4LM, H&C, Circle etc)
The speed restrictions aren’t because of signalling equipment, it’s because the computer system on our Track Recording Vehicle is faulty and cannot collect data on the conditions of the tracks, so speed restrictions had to be implemented for safety purposes. Hopefully, restrictions will be lifted very soon.
for some reason the northern line has had a lot of problems lately, south of clapham south the northern line is now a lot slower than it was a couple weeks ago, which probably has something to do with the issues. also the trains keep breaking down like on the central line
its annoying, if Tfl actually maintained these trains properly they wouldn't get this bad. its not even the depots fault its just Tfl not putting the money into getting new equipment. the staff must have a hard life nursing these tired trains, come on Tfl where's this refresh its only been five years!
@@RailwayWorld_2023 Nah these trains are just bad trains. You can't fix what's broken to begin with. TFL are not at fault. Whoever built these trains is at fault for building them so badly
But they are unreliable, so will be withdrawn. Which is a good thing because they are awful. But surprisingly not the worst implementation of ATO we’ve seen (ahem 1967ts)
1992 stock built by British Rail. There is your answer then. Plus there is no inclination to invest in any public transport system in the UK. The way things are, you are lucky the trains are even moving.
3:21 slowing down?!? 3:25 slow?!? It usually is not slow on this part 4:51 true 6:21 speeeeeeeeeeeeeding up Me at 6:49 well that took very long 10:42 😡 not again 14:41 well im stu- oh the doors opened
I mean, I have no problems with the 92 stocks, I think they are great trains and have done a good job over the last 30 years. The real problem is Tfl not being bothered to actually put money into getting new trains, they just spend the money on things that are not really needed and make us suffer with rolling stock that's being slowly pushed to there limits.
@@RailwayWorld_2023 Unfortunately in these times TfL has to prioritise. Now that Crossrail bypasses most of the Central line's route, it's not a priority anymore. Imo the commitment to replacing the Piccadilly's fleet over the Bakerloo or Central stock is quite a clear indicator that the long-term intention is for these lines to be closed at an indeterminate point in the future. The tunnels are hot, stuffy, damaging to eardrums, nigh on impossible to upgrade to modern standards, and no one likes them. This will especially become more of a problem as climate change ramps up and London sees hotter and hotter conditions in the summer months. These old, unventilated tunnels will simply be dangerous to human health in a couple of decades during heatwaves. As the Bakerloo line really has no unique connection anymore and the southern extension is now very unlikely to happen, and the Central line is now mostly bypassed by a modern line, these will be the first two to be closed. I could see a new Crossrail branch taking a similar route to the current eastern section of the Central line in the future, or the public will be told to complete the journey via bus from Ilford. The Bakerloo has so little genuine use that it won't need a replacement in the form of a modern line. At some point there will probably be attempts to rebuild the Victoria and Northern lines as these couldn't realistically be bypassed by an overground line, but they will need a modern replacement as they will have the same problem with dangerously hot tunnels. While us enthusiasts would be sad to see these lines go, unfortunately we are a very small percentage of customers. TfL has to think in ways that benefit the most people. It's also important to keep in mind that the tube network is as old as every other railway in Britain, and just like them it has far exceeded its lifespan and is in need of serious maintainence and modern replacements for anything that can't be improved.
@@cryoraptora303tm2 I don't see them closing one of the busiest lines like that, congestion is bad enough but closing one of the main lines? You'd have to be dreaming
@@cryoraptora303tm2 Cor imagine being this stupid, they're doing the Piccadilly first as that's the most immediate of age vs reliability. It's not TFL that don't want to spend money, it's the government refusing to grant them the money to spend on buying new trains
@@Alex-jn1ez And once you supply the lines that were scheduled to get it first how does TfL's already low budget look? There's a reason they're refurbing rather than replacing the entire train.
The state of the Central line at the moment is truly disgraceful. I didn't realise they'd put in 20mph restrictions across such large parts of the network. With all the horror stories surrounding refurbished British Rail and tube stock over the recent years, I don't think that refurbishing the 1992 Stock will increase reliability at all. The Central line desperately needs needs new trains now - I wouldn't be surprised if this situation continues for years. Thank you for highlighting and publicising this issue, a very informative video.
So this is why the line is so often showing delays due to "shortage of trains".
From what I've heard, London underground are meant to send out a track recording train over each part of the network every 3 months. If not then the ORR has to place a temporary speed restriction over that bit of line. Unfortunately the normal train they use for track recording is out of service for whatever reason. They've recently modified a 1972 stock to do the job temporarily, but apparently the third and fourth rail on the central line is slightly higher than it is on other lines, meaning they can't send the 72 over it.
If TfL hadn’t wasted hundreds of £millions on pointless idealogical vanity projects, like turn one-way streets into two-way streets, this situation might not have arisen, despite TfL receiving £6.4 billion (yes, billion, not million) in bailouts from the Government since 2020. Rampant unchecked fare evasion doesn’t help. And yet again TfL blames Covid and complains it’s the Gov fault. Sheer b!oody incompetence more like; just look at the farce that is Hammersmith Bridge. It’s poor on-going vehicle maintenance, letting things slide, lack of parts acquisition planning, happy to let the (still problematic) Elizabeth Line do the heavy lifting, terminal waste in the wrong spending areas, that’s got the Central Line into the disgrace it currently is in. Entirely TfL’s fault. Shameful.
@@quintuscrinis Yes exactly
I cant stress how Long it takes to get from Tottenham Court Road back to Wanstead. The 20mph speed limit is so slow in the tunnels. It’s around 5 mins in between Mile End and Stratford now.
crazy how they're way younger than 1972/73 stock yet have so many more problems
Newer stuff is built to be replaced these days. That's where companies get money from after all. Sad state of affairs, really, but entirely predicted (see Brave New World).
@@quintuscrinisthat's more for consumer electronics... not trains. these are just bad trains that, as in the video, are difficult to source replacement parts for
@@pelicannot. not just electronics, it is a general pattern brought about by the increasingly consumerist economy we now live in and the ease of making new items.
@@quintuscrinis i am aware of that but i really don't think this issue applies to trains
Central Line might not have got so knackered had Crossrail finished on time. They never have been the most reliable trains but every time I've used one lately the doors or motors have failed.
The 92 stocks now enter Leytonstone at 35MPH compared to back in March or Feb, so it seems things have gotten slightly better
This happened to me when I was travelling on that section of the line, the train was travelling much slower than usual and when we got to Leytonstone the train was taken out of service due to a fault.
Ohh I see, so leysptonstone is now APPERENTLY the terminus for a lot of central line trains 😂😂😂😂🤣😂
@@konyctga terminus for curtailed trains too, it has track switches from Westbound to Eastbound and Eastbound to Westbound
@@TrainsAndBusesAroundNELondon25 thats useful, especially considering how crowded it is. they can release more trains without flooding the whole line
If Crossrail hadn't opened in 2022, the consequences for London more widely would have been much worse!
I would advocate spreading out the introduction of the 2024 stock simultaneously across the Bakerloo and Central lines as well as the Piccadilly, as this would allow for the three legacy fleets to be progressively cannibalised instead of an entire fleet going down the pan. It would mean the 1973 stock being in service for longer.
I just want TFL to just close the central line to just upgrade it entirely so that they can put AC on the line they can improve ventilation etc
@@ahuman9143 I did wonder whether Crossrail could take the strain in central London. Existing surface buildings will most likely need to be demolished to allow for ventilation shafts, unless all of these are concentrated along Hyde Park, west of Marble Arch tube station. I think the reopening of British Museum station is worthwhile to relieve Holborn's platforms, or British Museum should be used as the central section's cooling zone.
Well they originally intended for the New Tube for London to come to the Central Line by 2032. That’s since been binned and I’d imagine they’re expecting these refurbs to last beyond that which I can’t see working too well.
The Elizabeth line isn’t exactly a saving grace for London. Billions of pounds spent on it and the constant delays and failures speak volumes. Despite it being around, I find many people still want to use the Central line, regardless of train shortages and the now gone temporary speed restrictions.
imagine being trapped in summer WHILE UNDERGROUND nightmare on one of the hottest lines
and during rush hour
WAIT MATT ITS ME SKY
I have to travel on it between Notting Hill Gate and White City
On many LU lines there's a green marker board on the platform, if the train isn't stopped within a certain margin, relative to the board, the doors are blocked from opening
i dont think that is the problem here
That’s not the problem here. The ATO provided an accurate stop but the door release interlock was held causing the doors to fail to release. It’s the piece of equipment that prevents doors from being opened while the train is in motion.
Who would've known that over computerised late 80's early 90's trains and signals wouldn't work normally not be replaceable in the modern day....
U was riding a really soiled, graffiti, dusty 1992 stock, and it was travelling 10mph in the tunnel between leyton and Stratford, and soon after it was taken out of service. The doors didnt open for 1 minute at Stratford. 1992 stock is FAILING!
You are exaggerating when you described that train as being soiled. Lastly graffiti is of no consequence, the example on the side of that train is a good piece of art.
@@FART-REPELLENT i agree its a nice piece of art, but maybe not do it on a train??
@@ultraboygaming580 I am a Underground enthusiast, even at age 50 I am not a ignorant conservative person regarding graffiti, it's fine by me so long as the writers don't write on train windows, and the work looks fairly good.
@@FART-REPELLENT Ok. I respect your opinion
Since all these problems started ive avoided journeys on the Central Line, will be a nightmare in the summer going along at 20mph in the searing heat. Can't see it being sorted out for a long time.
0:38 don't forget they're on the waterloo and city line
Tbh we haven’t seen anything happen with the W&C 1992 stock trains
@@TripleDoubleA probably because their route isn't so intensive, only a short distance, and they're not prone to weather damage and rain as they're always underground.
The W&Cs stock are not identical there still 1992 stock but they are not fitted with all the same ATO equipment as the Central Line ones, from what I was told by a driver. And also I did say fairly unique meaning there sort of the only ones if you get what I'm trying to say... Great point though and thanks for pointing that out :)
The W&Cs stock are not identical there still 1992 stock but they are not fitted with all the same ATO equipment as the Central Line ones, from what I was told by a driver. And also I did say fairly unique meaning there sort of the only ones if you get what I'm trying to say... Great point though and thanks for pointing that out :)
@@RailwayWorld_2023 I agree yh, apart from internal differences there are a couple smaller more visible differences too, cos I take the Waterloo and City line now and have seen it has armrests, the accessible area in one of the middle carriages, and a different lock on the internal door to the drivers cabin.
It's shocking how much of a state the central line is in. Even the dying 73 stocks on the piccadilly line are holding up better. I really hope the refurbishment is complete soon.
As a passenger on the Tyne & Wear Metro, I share your pain on the Central Line. The last Labour government agreed funding to upgrade the infrastructure and buy new trains to replace the MetroCars (built in the 1980s with a design life of 30 years) but when the Conservatives took over in 2010 the funding was held up. The infrastructure work has involved line closures, replacing life-expired track, renewing the overhead, and repairing and replacing bridges and embankments - although the Metro opened in the 1980s, a lot of the system took over ex-BR lines dating back to the 1860s and earlier. Then we had Covid .. our lovely shiny new class 555s have an innovative (haha) traction package which needs further testing so the old units are STILL in service ten years after they should have been withdrawn. Some of them were so knackered they have already been scrapped ...
I totally agree, it's really frustrating when funding gets held up. The situation on the Central Line has been getting progressively worse over the last seven or eight years now and this refurbishment thing has been going for five! Hopefully the new Metro Class 555s go into service soon for you, commuting will be alot better, but as for the Central Line its a waiting game for just a refurbishment! I think the Central Line trains are great trains and have served well in London for the last 30 years, and I think its a shame as the longer their leaving them the more they deteriorate which is going to put a bad reputation on them for the good service they provided in the past. I think the funding for railway infrastructure is stupid now, its like their not seeing it as a priority which then makes us as passengers suffer.
i like the old T&WM stock i think it has a nice design i just think they should clean the wheels or something lol
@@Mattpsbwhat the fuck is that gonna do 😂😂😂
@@xmsre i was saying it because its so loud on them lol
@@Mattpsb that’s the suspension and interior noise dampening for ya
When trains with graffiti are forced to come out anyway (they are not supposed to), you know that their engineering situation must be pretty dire.
Yeah just a lovely normal day on the Central Line 1992 Stock
At least the 1992 stock is getting refurbished
its only taken five years and that's for the first tests runs...
see you in five more when they actually enter service haha
@@RailwayWorld_2023 btw, some are entering service already (Ruislip branch) and some on the Hainault loop. They will slowly get refurbished across the whole line from now until they’ve finished
I remember going on the Central Line from Ealing Broadway to West Acton the train in question overshot the platform at West Acton and the train operator could not open the doors at all, the train continued to East Acton and anyone who couldn't get off at West Acton had to go back in the opposite direction... This is not the first time these trains have had issues and won't be the last
Oh dear!!
The relay you described was the door release relay, most drivers mash the buttons continually :£
26:09 Train "NIS"
18:48 for a sec, i thought the train mistook this station as it being closed.
No this is ATO seeing a line limit increase before the braking curve. So it speeds up and slows down again while in the platform. Happens all over the central line, the same issue happens with TBTC (jubilee northern etc) but not with CBTC (4LM, H&C, Circle etc)
The speed restrictions aren’t because of signalling equipment, it’s because the computer system on our Track Recording Vehicle is faulty and cannot collect data on the conditions of the tracks, so speed restrictions had to be implemented for safety purposes. Hopefully, restrictions will be lifted very soon.
I think they need the 2024 stock...
That unit looks like it's seen better days . Internally looks tired.
Lenged has it the doors still aren't opened
Some west midlands trains are like this
Besides all of that I like the current 1992 stock no matter what
for some reason the northern line has had a lot of problems lately, south of clapham south the northern line is now a lot slower than it was a couple weeks ago, which probably has something to do with the issues. also the trains keep breaking down like on the central line
the central line be always having delays man
I was on this too and as I had to catch a train at St Pancras it was very stressful. Totally unacceptable and unfortunately no end in sight.
its annoying, if Tfl actually maintained these trains properly they wouldn't get this bad. its not even the depots fault its just Tfl not putting the money into getting new equipment.
the staff must have a hard life nursing these tired trains, come on Tfl where's this refresh its only been five years!
I fucking hate rishi sunak because of this!
@@RailwayWorld_2023 Nah these trains are just bad trains. You can't fix what's broken to begin with. TFL are not at fault. Whoever built these trains is at fault for building them so badly
1992 stocks should have a right to stay in regular pessanger service at least up until 2040. They meet the legal H & S standards of the UK.
But they are unreliable, so will be withdrawn. Which is a good thing because they are awful. But surprisingly not the worst implementation of ATO we’ve seen (ahem 1967ts)
1992 stock built by British Rail. There is your answer then. Plus there is no inclination to invest in any public transport system in the UK. The way things are, you are lucky the trains are even moving.
3:21 slowing down?!?
3:25 slow?!?
It usually is not slow on this part
4:51 true
6:21 speeeeeeeeeeeeeding up
Me at 6:49 well that took very long
10:42 😡 not again
14:41 well im stu- oh the doors opened
What can you expect with these trains
30 years now and not getting younger, its funny when you see old films from when these trains were new
It was traveling half the speed when I was at London aswell even at full speed it took a while to get to Mile End from Stratford
i was on the central line yesterday and i was wondering why their trains were slower than usual.
now i know.
Same here man…
The central line has been recently been looking like the 2000s again.
Lemme see if TFL has a YT channel
I think it is not on full speed Manuel it is on auto
Sadiq Kan is to blame, kick that corrupt man out !
Who u voting?
@@H001_Gaming anyone but him
U do realise the government aren’t giving TfL enough funding
On auto you just need someone to open the doors it will drive automatically
And stop
Bank Station Carries the Central line
More British decay…
I mean, I have no problems with the 92 stocks, I think they are great trains and have done a good job over the last 30 years. The real problem is Tfl not being bothered to actually put money into getting new trains, they just spend the money on things that are not really needed and make us suffer with rolling stock that's being slowly pushed to there limits.
@@RailwayWorld_2023 Unfortunately in these times TfL has to prioritise. Now that Crossrail bypasses most of the Central line's route, it's not a priority anymore.
Imo the commitment to replacing the Piccadilly's fleet over the Bakerloo or Central stock is quite a clear indicator that the long-term intention is for these lines to be closed at an indeterminate point in the future. The tunnels are hot, stuffy, damaging to eardrums, nigh on impossible to upgrade to modern standards, and no one likes them. This will especially become more of a problem as climate change ramps up and London sees hotter and hotter conditions in the summer months. These old, unventilated tunnels will simply be dangerous to human health in a couple of decades during heatwaves. As the Bakerloo line really has no unique connection anymore and the southern extension is now very unlikely to happen, and the Central line is now mostly bypassed by a modern line, these will be the first two to be closed. I could see a new Crossrail branch taking a similar route to the current eastern section of the Central line in the future, or the public will be told to complete the journey via bus from Ilford. The Bakerloo has so little genuine use that it won't need a replacement in the form of a modern line. At some point there will probably be attempts to rebuild the Victoria and Northern lines as these couldn't realistically be bypassed by an overground line, but they will need a modern replacement as they will have the same problem with dangerously hot tunnels.
While us enthusiasts would be sad to see these lines go, unfortunately we are a very small percentage of customers. TfL has to think in ways that benefit the most people. It's also important to keep in mind that the tube network is as old as every other railway in Britain, and just like them it has far exceeded its lifespan and is in need of serious maintainence and modern replacements for anything that can't be improved.
@@cryoraptora303tm2 I don't see them closing one of the busiest lines like that, congestion is bad enough but closing one of the main lines? You'd have to be dreaming
@@cryoraptora303tm2 Cor imagine being this stupid, they're doing the Piccadilly first as that's the most immediate of age vs reliability. It's not TFL that don't want to spend money, it's the government refusing to grant them the money to spend on buying new trains
I'd have gone to the cab and egressed from there
The Piccadilly line is slowly breaking aswell
Wait what
These trains should be scraped
So where would the replacements be?
@@FarmYardGamingsame as the new Piccadilly line stock
@@Alex-jn1ez And once you supply the lines that were scheduled to get it first how does TfL's already low budget look? There's a reason they're refurbing rather than replacing the entire train.
@@FarmYardGaming im just answering your question 🤷
@@Alex-jn1ez I'm keeping a discussion going ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What a pointless video
What a pointless comment
What a pointless (and annoying) person (referring to you)