Avalanche | 9.1.2024 Chopok
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Avalanche accident from 9.1.2024. Location: Chopok Lukový kotol, Nízke Tatry, Slovakia. It was triggered by one skier on the second ride. First ride was through the exact same point, slope didn't show any signs of instability. Accident occured while freeride skiing, other slopes around were really hard, icy. Avalanche danger was at level 2 (moderate) that day. The problem was wind drifted snow on hard layer, creating weak spot. Lenght of slide was nearly 300m. Avalanche airbag was activated. No injuries.
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Lavína zo dňa 9.1.2024. Miesto: Chopok Lukový kotol, Nízke Tatry. Lavína bola spustená jedným lyžiarom, pri druhej jazde. Prvá jazda bola úplne rovnakým miestom, sneh nejavil známky nestability. Bolo to počas freeride lyžovania, okolité svahy boli tvrdé až ľadové. Stupeň lavínového nebezpečenstva bol daný deň 2 (mierne). Problémom bol sneh nafúkaný na tvrdej vrstve, vytvárajúci slabý bod. Dĺžka zosuvu bola takmer 300 metrov. Lavínový batoh bol aktivovaný. Bez zranení.
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That was an epic commercial for an airbag!
Not so epic for an avalanche safety video though. This gentleman could have easily been broken himself on the rocks and while seemingly riding alone. And even with an airbag and no injuries , self rescue isn’t always possible. Glad he lived and hope he learned.
Hindsight is 20/20 but if i have ever seen a windpressed slab thats one.
Wow. Thank god you are alright man. Incredible example of everything to do RIGHT if you are caught in this situation! Only advice OBVIOUSLY is if there is absolutely any risk of avalanche, at the very least be with a friend!
Because dying alone sucks 😂
@@OnceABustAlwaysABust to dig you out 😅
Looked like really windblown snow - high sign of avy danger
Yah just watching this and seeing all the wind deposits with the main issue being wind slabs is not a good sign.
Yes, I saw wind drifted snow. At this location there is wind drifted snow most of the time so I didn't pay too much attention to it.
@@freeriderxfd6827bet you will next time. Any time you see wind deposited snow, that’s a sign of possible instability…and also a good reminder to us all that just because a slope has been skied prior, doesn’t indicate stability. I’ve seen an entire side country bowl rip 8 feet deep with about 200 tracks down the face. Glad you’re safe
That was a big "kurwa" for sure
classic wind slab. That did not look stable at all to me, because you weren't penetrating it. It was a giant slab wafer in the gully. A good line to point it down in my opinion. It's impossible to know with certainty snow stability (25 years skilled backcountry snowboarder and previous mountain/avi rescue worker). Assume everything will slide EVERY time you shred.✌
Most of time there's wind drifted snow there, so I did not see it as anything out of ordinary. Sometimes you go for the risk and it gets you back. The last sentence I agree 100% ( that's why I wear all safety gear and have airbag ready even if the slope is icy).
Make no certainties. There is no ordinary. Only the right now.
A pole punch could have shown you the wind board. 1:08 shows wind loading/small cornice formation.
Looks like you got up into the thinner part of the slab on the second run.
Every slope, every time is different. You change/affect the structure every time you or others ride it. Active wind loading changed it in between your runs, too.
Glad you are alright.
KKKUUURRWWWAAAA 😁
AMAZING...Thanks for sharing this. Glad you're okay! I have been skiing for well over 30 years, mostly in the wind scoured Eastern Rockies. I would have probably made the same decision, especially considering that things are almost "always wind loaded"...your video is gonna make me probe/cut/probe more carefully. What a ride. It scared the heck outta me, which is good!
treba jazdit s partakom aj ked si v stredisku. Z videa mi prišlo ,že si bol sám.
This isn't meant personal and just for education, but if you didn't see the clear signs of wind loading in that couloir you should reconsider your decision making skills when freeriding. At 1:10 you kann clearly see how the rigth part of the couloir is in the Lee side of the wind and how it is beeing loaded with drifted snow. The formig of that new wind lib should be a warning sign. The weather was good and you could clearly tell the line between drfited snow and hard pack that has been cleaned of by the wind (were you skied during your first run). And at that exact line the avalanche broke of. During your first run you had luck because when you crossed the to the rigth near the rock wall (0:52), into the wind loaded bit, the slab was probaly thick enough to support you in that moment. You didn't cross it in a spot were it goes from very thin to thick snow. During the second run you crossed into the wind slab at the border between hardpack and windloaded snow, were it was very thin therefor cutting the weak layer with your skies and triggering the avalanche. Hope you are ok and be careful, this could have ended badly. Have fun freeriding and shred on! P.S. if there are similar conditions in the future and you still want to ride that couloir, go to the skiers rigth side of the wind lib (1:10), stop and try to trigger the wind lib or the slab with pressing or stepping on the snow pack with one ski. With that you can test the snow pack really quickly and still be out of harms way, but only do this if you are sure that the avalanche can't drag you down if you trigger something.
Cheers 🤙
Thank's for your comment, really appreciate it. I obviously saw the wind drifted snow, like 90% of time there's wind drifted snow here, so I didn't see it as anything out of ordinary, to be honest it was part of reason why I chose that line, everywhere else was hard and icy and here there usually is softer snow (but it comes with a risk). The pressing/stepping on snow pack is technique I frequently use.
That's the exact spot at least Swiss and Tyrolian avalanche reports point out in their avalanche reports "in the transition from ... to ... weak layers, single skier can trigger avalanche" or "close to ridge lines where snow depth changes". Looking at the steepness of the terrain you are probably right at the edge for "too steep for moderate"
@@maxnawrocki7956 This thread along with the video is actually so helpful to know what they're talking about in these avy reports. As a ski beginner still quite a bit away from freeriding (but drawn to it), this is amazing content.
@@maxnawrocki7956 yep, the transition from the snowfilled chute where the thickness of the snowlayers can be enought so your weightcone doesnt reach to the weak layer to the ridge where the weak layer rises up very close to the surface is the critical section. its saver to ride in the middle of a snowfilled chute than ride on a ridge or close to a ridge
Great example of what not to do. Dont ski cut or sideslip steeps under a cornice or ridgeline. Best way to start a slide. That was the diffference between the first and second lines.
na vyhlaseny stupen lavinoveho nebezpecenstva sa neda spolahnut. to ze na tvrdej vrstve z predosleho oteplenia je nafukane do dosky velke mnozstvo noveho snehu bolo jasne. mal si stastie... apropo podobne podmienky pretrvavaju aj teraz...
That was the hardest slab...like a frozen Toblerone. It sure wouldn't tell you to jump-cut half a meter from that hard ridge-line. And it sure was fast right off the top. A Narrow Escape. But it was one of the best Avi-vids ever!
Putka na paliciach odporúčam odrezať
Pri vyslape sú dobre
alebo aspon nedavat na ruky pri jazde
Uff..najwazniejsze ze wszystko dobrze. Czy próbowałeś wypiac narty czy wszystko za szybko sie dzialo?
Thanks for sharing. Never put your ski pole strap in off piste.
Never put pole strap around your wrist when freeriding!!!!
Czyli jednak słynne polskie kur...a ocaliło Ci życie 😁🤣🤣🤣
I was scared for you when I saw you approaching those rocks at high speed. You were very lucky. The air bag is great but it won't protect you if you hit rocks.
Don't go out there alone. snow looked crusty on top but soft underneath = high avalanche risk if disturbed
Joj, priatelia. Milujem hory, lyže, ale veru takto pokúšať osud sa nezberám.
again, NEVER put the leash of your poles when going freeride, it can determine whether you live of die (because it can prevent you from moving)
Skiing avalanche terrain solo? I didn’t see a partner in the video…
pekne si poďakoval pánu Bohu, ja tiež ďakujem, ale trochu inak, možno aj vďaka tomu som prežil pár krát svoju smrť
Great explanation, as we know this area is prone to avalanches at all levels, quite ‘lucky landing’. Cursing anyhow could be avoided in YT video by beep!
Thank you for this video, very educational. Even with low avalanche risk wind is always the biggest risk to avalanches because it always creates a reletive weak layer compared to the hard pressed slab.
Glad you are okay, I would suggest riding with a friend and I'm glad the airbag kept you on top of it.
No f***ng way you did a snow pack test. And if you did you should really evaluate your skills and learn before going into the backcountry. Also why does it look like you’re by yourself?
Well done, your skis didn't even come off 😊
Greetings from France
Look at 0:00 That is wind blown slab. You can not ski that. If you cut this twice you would release it and end up in the safe spot on top of the right ridge, but you did not even bother to cut it. When you see snow like that you simply need to know it's unskiable.
"Kurwaaaa" no swój chłop
I don't get how you didn't hit those rocks on the way down, you were heading straight in that direction. If you did hit, how did you get out uninjured?
I'm not sure if I hit them or not, it's not clearly seen from video, but looking at trajectory I might have hit them and probably even took I bit air (I felt my back in the evening). I wear helmet and also back protector (probably helped), while going down I also just braced for an impact.
Wow look a windslab sitting on top of a shitty crust. Only windslap pops, shocker
Skis on and still holding both poles...ready for a third run!
Dík za "report". Je dobré/poučné to vidieť takto FPV v známom teréne. Mal si riadne 🍀🤞
Glad you were safe - temperature gradient was higher on a north east slope and higher on the crest with thinner snowpack…
barely being able to see your tracks after the first run = tons of windloading
Always good to have a buddy to dig you out.
Obvious active wind loading and you popped the wind slab that are quite reactive while forming. Glad you're Ok!
I saw wind drifted snow. But there is wind drifted snow all the time here, so I didn't pay too much attention to it.
As the skier said, first time through he kept more to the left so wasn't really skiing on the slab which was actually quite narrow and relatively thin. He goes right onto the middle of the slab on the second run. In the time between the runs the slab would have picked up more snow due to the drifting. Lucky he didn't injure anything.
@@davidzof I mean, I agree 🤷♂
@@freeriderxfd6827 I hope to get back to Slovakia some day, good times and good beer ( summer time) Cheers
Just an honest observation, but that windloaded slab was super obvious even on your first run - tons of wind scouring, the plastic sound of a wind-loaded slab, the tough, icy texture of a wind loaded slab, etc. Unless the avy report was green, you had some familiarity with the year’s snowpack, and you’d dug a pit on that slope to confirm that all those visual cues weren’t telling you something, that slope looked (to me) like an absolute no-go. I’m sure you’ve been rewatching the video over and over again - it’ll help you develop an eye for the signs.
Hmm no 😀 živo si viem predstaviť ako by som si povedal "je to betón, tu nemôžem v žiadnom prípade nič urvať". Palec hore za super poučné videjko. Cítil si že by ťa batoh ťahal hore?
Ťažko povedať, končí to na otvorenom priestore kde sa sneh má kde rozliať, čiže nános nie je až tak vysoký, tiež som sa aktívne snažil zostať na povrchu. Určite som ale rád, že som batoh mal.
Thanks for posting. Educational. Ability of airbag to float you above the snow pretty impressive. Looked damn scary to me!
Celkom stastie, ze ta doska bola taka tenka, inac ta mohlo zomliet este pred narazom do toho rebra. A potom by mohl byt aj problem s tymi palickami na rukach nezavisle od airbagu. Dik za video!
I just hear "Kurva" 😂 Nuff said
No sign ????? Typical wind slab everywhere !!! Sorry, but it' s your fault
Skiing on Hard Slabs will do that to ya!
first run would have satisfied me. having the bag is good but it can enable a widened exposure. might make you feel the fracturing surface you saw in the 1st run was negligible. corny laps in mid may is all the bc i need
Just like when they started making seatbelts, the crash rate actually increased, people felt safer and took more risks. Airbag is very good but it's not certain it will always save you, just increases your chances. But true, you fell somewhat safer with it.
agreed. avabag set-up is like wearing leathers when moto riding. slovakian alps look burly. @@freeriderxfd6827
The most important thing is that you didn't lose your skis!😅
Tak si mal dat este tretiu jazdu
bez poutek dycynky
Get rid of those pole straps ! Not kidding , remove pole straps for backcountry skiing !
Ruksak dodava casto falosne sebavedomie ( taketo zlaby netreba jazdit sam) stastie, ze to dopadlo takto 🙂
Nas na kurze ucili, ze v lavine nikdy neni dobre mat putka na palickach, vzdy je lepsie palice odhodit. Chapem, ze to moze byt zvyk a preferencia ale ci to stoji za pripadne zranenia…
MAMMUT saved your life! The perfect example, that when you freeride, you must have an airbag!
where is the rest of the team ???
i think he was skiing solo
@@kellilovski it was meant to be sarcastic … riding solo is plain dumb
Good you're allright 🙌 In the video you see very strong wind from the right which made a big sideloaded windslap which was probably most weakest at the top right in the couloir. Thats probably also why you trigered it on the second run when you decided to go more to the right side. Thanks for sharing!
Jsem rád že jsi v pořádku! Mazec!!!!! Respekt!
The first ride is lucky! The avalanche was evident by all indications - Hard snow under the skis + accumulated snow on the starboard edge from the wind = slab avalanche!
Not at all surprised. Slope stability can vary significantly even a few metres apart. Repeat loading, varying loading, turn pressure etc will all have an effect. A basic avalanche safety course will highlight all this. What was the local avi forecast, for that aspect, altitude etc? Did you dig a snowpit? What were the results? If not, just a gamble... And airbags will not save you from terrain traps or rock walls & drops.... You were lucky!
Курррррва!
Would you have been buried without the airbag?
Can't say for sure. Maybe yes maybe no. "Landing zone" had space for snow to spread, so it did not get too thick. But certainly happy for having an airbag.
Tak to si mal riadny adrenalínový zažitok 😯, batoh pomohol , ostal si hore na lavíne , super že to takto dopadlo a dobre že to aj zdielaš... vela šťastia...
that was scary!
You're lucky to be alive.. That was terrifying.
ale urwal
Folks who ride backcountry do not hard side cut an upward ridgeline and pause. Level 2 or not you increase chances for top layer release and being that far up a shoot it can take you out. It almost looked intentional.
Veď práve tvrdý sneh je problém - ubitý vetrom, tento prípad.
snow felt nice ? the upper layer is crusty/icy !!!! the ideal conditions for an avalanche ....
Kuurwaa, dobrze, że nic Ci nie jest
Thanks for the video, glad you survived but maybe bring a friend next time
Did you go alone? That’s do dangerous, isn‘t it?
there were many wind science and you triggered the avalanche book-like at the crossing of the wind -> non-wind side.
Seš fakt borec.Takových je málo...
You are lucky to survive that , alot of people don't!!
Glad you're okay! Thanks for sharing! Damn scared you were going to get hit by a rock. Soo main and annoying question: Where are your buddies, why alone?
(I ask myself the same question and there is no exculpatory answer)
Nečekal jsem taková slova😅 Lucky
I’m so glad that you got funneled out of the choke and didn’t hit hard!!
Do you think the airbag saved you ?
Can't say 100%. Certainly happy I had it.
@@freeriderxfd6827 ok thx. Be safe out there
Neuvěřitelné... a časový odstuo těch dvou jízd? hodka? jaká byla teplota?
Časový odstup tak půlhodinka. Teplota přesně nevím, ale v údolí bylo ráno -12°C, pak to šlo nahoru.
Bro that is scary as FUCK! So glad you were prepared and survived way to ride it out bro 💪
Good ride. I was worried as you neared the funnel section.
Thank Buddha for air bags, or some other guy
Тебе очень повезло, чувак, рад , что всё хорошо закончилось
Glad you are safe. 2nd run you skied onto a steeper ridge , looking to be over 35degr.
From your description I conclude that you have no idea about avalanches?
Of course, a single trip is no guarantee that there is no danger. What was the warning level?
Of course single trip is no guarantee, but you still fell a bit "safer" if it's been ridden already than if you do first ride. Warning was 2 (moderate), with 1 below tree level. What part of description do you mean? I'm not the best with words so some might understand it different than what I meant.
"no signs of instability" nevidíš tam tú nafúkanú dosku?
Dosku som videl. Bolo to myslené na to, že pri tej prvej jazde som nevidel trhliny, malé odtrhy, nepočul podozrivé zvuky a tak. Doska tam býva nafúkaná prakticky vždy, tak som ju podcenil.
that was beautiful "Kurwa"
Hezké video. Pěkný žlab, poznáme to tam. Mám otázku, jak si zpozoroval první náznak trhliny ve sněhu, byl čas zareagovat, vyskočit z toho vlevo či vpravo? Kolik sekund trvalo než se to dalo celé do pohybu, pocitově (jak si to vnímal)?
Děkuji a hodně štěstí.
Martin
Dík za komentář. Moc sem nebyl v pozici z toho nějak vyjet či vyskočit, taky se to odtrhlo několik metrů nade mnou. Pocitově to trvalo déle než na videu, ono v takových krizových situacích se zbystří zmysli a človek to vnímá v takovém jakoby slowmotion.
Uf, to jsi dopadl dobře, vypadá to šíleně 🙂
Going alone for freeride is reckless
The snow pack is real dodgy at the moment. Glad you are ok man..
Question is, did you ever dig a test pit at the top of the slope to see if there was instability in the snow pack??
I believe he just hit that perfect trigger point on the lee side of that rock/cliff feature where a small wind slab had formed. I can't be super sure because the video moves pretty quick, but this wind slab did not look well represented throughout the rest of the zone's snowpack. The first run was safer because he stayed out of this slab; the second (as he states), he went .5M to the right - directly into that wind deposited snow on the lee side of the rock feature. That's where this failed. I don't think an ECT was going to show significant signs of instability unless he dug it directly in the spot where it slid or underneath a nearly identical lee facing rock feature. I am not super seasoned in my snowpack studies, but I think this is one of those lottery failures; everything looks fine, it was just that last second decision to turn into that under represented wind deposited snow. Take away - stay away from possible trigger points like directly under lone standing rocks, large trees, bushes.
Adrenaline rush for a day! That polish magical word must helped! Nicely handed.
he is slovak i believe but they use it too
The slope wasnt that nice.
It was the screaming on the first run that set it up. 😅
you are really lucky ❤
Have you called emergency services so they don't start rescue mission?
I did not. I thought about it. I made few rides afterwards and kept looking if there were rescue teams coming to that location, in case somebody has called so I could tell that everything was ok. I chose not to call in case there was another avalanche close by and somebody needed help so that they don't get confused.
kurwaaaa
Hnědej pruh byl?
Bloody hell, that was a close one!
That Avie Vest was LOUD!
I'm glad ya had it on!
Beste Airbag-Werbung 👍
Now that was some ride!
Hmm, tak mal si silný zážitok 😁