Considering they took out Overpass so soon after remaking it, I don't think Valve see the CS2 launch remakes as "new maps". So that makes me think that Inferno is on the table to be removed and have some more changes done to it like Overpass has had. So if it's two maps going out I'd bet on -Vertigo -Inferno +Train +Overpass.
You forgot about the removal of those pesky railings at party. It was very hard to fight that angle from divider if the T’s did the crab walk uncrouch peek. And you can fully tuck at b barrels now they removed the props there. For the water removal my guess is they know it was hurting lots of people’s fps so they are adding a different version of it. Maybe like trains water puddles. Subtle but not too harsh in the frames.
i just want Mirage out. it's been in the map pool for 10 years and it's the only map to have not been remade at least once since first being added in GO (and now Inferno and Train have both been remade twice)
@@IWatchSecks Luckily it's not anymore most played map on pro play but anyways it's still one of the most boring maps to watch and it's being same like last 12 years it's time to valve remake it.
@@lartonki Its still 3rd most played map in pro in 2024. And there's nothing wrong with the map, apart from it being old there is no reason to remove it
People don’t like change but from a gameplay perspective, ladder was absolute terrible for T’s. Was it fun to double drop on some dude? Yeah, it was. But I think the changes to new train are actually pretty good
Imo Train B site, Ivy, brown halls, new hut on Headshot are really well made. What i would add/remake is 1) Open a hole (without ladder) in pop so that you could pop flash drop from there but if you want to go back up you have to go all the way so it would kinda be a high risk/high reward thing 2) Add a small train in pop with ladder but open A1 Lane as well and remove the crates in front of pop. Kinda what it was in the old versions of train. This change could bring huge icon plays especially with ladder jumps to ebox. 3) open up heaven but it would be like a balcony without rails and a small one so that it would not have unecessary bullet collisions and it could potentially have a big risk factor 4) My last change would be controversial but i would do something with the red train to re-enable Z to mid AWP wars (an iconic play in train).
Elige would you ever consider doing a video on the monitors in the pro scene? Considering OLED is pretty much figured out with better speeds I would think the pro scene might start to dabble in those. Sorry if that is something you have already covered. I searched your logs and didn't see anything.
@@SethHU honestly that stuff is outside of my technical knowledge. I leave that stuff up to reviewers who would know what theyre talking about. However i have seen the same as you and i really want to try it too. They look super nice and the low MS seems like they could be rly good!
i understand the change at pop but I really wish they would try some more ladder features on map. I love nuke for its ladders, doors, verticality, high vantage points etc. I think they can be interesting and fun while not impacting the competitiveness of the map.
Amazing rework, but can I please not get stuck on everything? You run out T mid towards E box, you get stuck on the train sticking out. You run out B you get stuck on random geometry. You run out connector, you get stuck on the bomb train. You run out ivy to old hell, you get stuck on the thin door. If they iron out the map when they add it to the pool, I see this as a potential top tier map.
Love your vids keep them up. I would love a more in depth guide to train once you're ready. I really hope train and overpass are in the map pool after the major.
Good theory about Ancient being the other map that gets removed after the major. I personally like it, but the fact that they are trying to fix Overpass performance by removing the water, and meanwhile Ancient water stays? Says to me they are removing Ancient soon and won't bother fixing its performance until a later time when they try to bring it back.
The only maps other than vertigo that I could see getting rotated out would be inferno or mirage. I personally would want dust 2 out because of how one dimensional it is but it hasn’t been back for long enough for them to remove it, they just don’t do stuff like that (unless it’s a hot swap for overpass again lol.) I’d be pretty upset to see Anubis or Ancient swapped out.
I think they tried moving heaven into old bomb... you can clip there and stand there it overlooks T main Mirage needs an overhaul, a post modern city slums setting would be cool... Don't know why they kept the decade old texture, looks terrible aside from the lighting
i feel like the halloween update really gave people a rosy-eyed view of the old cobble. it had a lot of very big problems that seem super hard to fix without changing the layout entirely valve's changes to train seem pretty smart and give me some hope but it really does feel very difficult
For the damage prediction, if blood is not showing on a wall, the server didn't reward you the hit. I know this is situational and sometimes hard to spot, but it's something I noticed watching back clips "whiffing" awp shots. Always
@@Flare97 not really worth it still especially because if you get HS your death camera is shorter. Good eye for that regardless but i think its still not worth and i hope they add some audio indicator or something
I play on 6 ping that is very stable and I still get false positives, though rare they are annoying. I had a scout body shot false yesterday and trying to body shot with a usp thinking he was tagged ended up being a big failure. I think the setting hurts more than it helps even for low ping.
@@80crazy because elige is amazing and complexity relies so heavily on him being that star player, I would like to see what he can do as a main rifler next to another star player
@@professor4903lol but in that scenario you described it’s not seeing what elige can do, it’s seeing what other star players can do lol. Hating on complexity ain’t it
anubis and ancient are goated maps are some of the most popular among pro players it aint going anywhere. Most likely vertigo is the only one going out.
I'm really happy with the reworks on A Site.
Good luck at the Major Elige
0:20 Astralis picked vertigo 😂
Considering they took out Overpass so soon after remaking it, I don't think Valve see the CS2 launch remakes as "new maps". So that makes me think that Inferno is on the table to be removed and have some more changes done to it like Overpass has had. So if it's two maps going out I'd bet on -Vertigo -Inferno +Train +Overpass.
You forgot about the removal of those pesky railings at party. It was very hard to fight that angle from divider if the T’s did the crab walk uncrouch peek. And you can fully tuck at b barrels now they removed the props there. For the water removal my guess is they know it was hurting lots of people’s fps so they are adding a different version of it. Maybe like trains water puddles. Subtle but not too harsh in the frames.
i just want Mirage out. it's been in the map pool for 10 years and it's the only map to have not been remade at least once since first being added in GO (and now Inferno and Train have both been remade twice)
if it ain't broke, don't fix it
I hope also that mirage is next map that rotates out, it's been on map pool forever so time to change things up.
And whats the problem with mirage? Aside from it being old? Its still the most played map in the game both in pro play and casual.
@@IWatchSecks Luckily it's not anymore most played map on pro play but anyways it's still one of the most boring maps to watch and it's being same like last 12 years it's time to valve remake it.
@@lartonki Its still 3rd most played map in pro in 2024. And there's nothing wrong with the map, apart from it being old there is no reason to remove it
People don’t like change but from a gameplay perspective, ladder was absolute terrible for T’s. Was it fun to double drop on some dude? Yeah, it was. But I think the changes to new train are actually pretty good
Imo Train B site, Ivy, brown halls, new hut on Headshot are really well made. What i would add/remake is
1) Open a hole (without ladder) in pop so that you could pop flash drop from there but if you want to go back up you have to go all the way so it would kinda be a high risk/high reward thing
2) Add a small train in pop with ladder but open A1 Lane as well and remove the crates in front of pop. Kinda what it was in the old versions of train. This change could bring huge icon plays especially with ladder jumps to ebox.
3) open up heaven but it would be like a balcony without rails and a small one so that it would not have unecessary bullet collisions and it could potentially have a big risk factor
4) My last change would be controversial but i would do something with the red train to re-enable Z to mid AWP wars (an iconic play in train).
Great suggestions!
Elige would you ever consider doing a video on the monitors in the pro scene? Considering OLED is pretty much figured out with better speeds I would think the pro scene might start to dabble in those. Sorry if that is something you have already covered. I searched your logs and didn't see anything.
@@SethHU honestly that stuff is outside of my technical knowledge. I leave that stuff up to reviewers who would know what theyre talking about. However i have seen the same as you and i really want to try it too. They look super nice and the low MS seems like they could be rly good!
can't wait for them to add assault into the comp map pool
@@Virtahep0 i used to love that map when i was younger. They should bring back the OG version
i understand the change at pop but I really wish they would try some more ladder features on map. I love nuke for its ladders, doors, verticality, high vantage points etc. I think they can be interesting and fun while not impacting the competitiveness of the map.
that map has been perma banned by Liquid for quite a long time
Amazing rework, but can I please not get stuck on everything? You run out T mid towards E box, you get stuck on the train sticking out. You run out B you get stuck on random geometry. You run out connector, you get stuck on the bomb train. You run out ivy to old hell, you get stuck on the thin door. If they iron out the map when they add it to the pool, I see this as a potential top tier map.
@@iitsMikeB 100%
Love your vids keep them up. I would love a more in depth guide to train once you're ready. I really hope train and overpass are in the map pool after the major.
I love Mirage, but it became too perfect of a CS map and boring. They need to remove it from the map pool and change something to it
mirage should never leave
I get what you are saying, but it is by far the most played map on official Valve servers (there is no doubt about it), so it won't be removed.
They can work in an update for the map without removing it.
Good theory about Ancient being the other map that gets removed after the major. I personally like it, but the fact that they are trying to fix Overpass performance by removing the water, and meanwhile Ancient water stays? Says to me they are removing Ancient soon and won't bother fixing its performance until a later time when they try to bring it back.
I really hope they get rid of Anubis or Mirage, but sadly I think they're gonna get rid of Inferno or Ancient.
The only maps other than vertigo that I could see getting rotated out would be inferno or mirage. I personally would want dust 2 out because of how one dimensional it is but it hasn’t been back for long enough for them to remove it, they just don’t do stuff like that (unless it’s a hot swap for overpass again lol.) I’d be pretty upset to see Anubis or Ancient swapped out.
I think they tried moving heaven into old bomb... you can clip there and stand there it overlooks T main
Mirage needs an overhaul, a post modern city slums setting would be cool...
Don't know why they kept the decade old texture, looks terrible aside from the lighting
ill be cheering for you bro. any ideas to fix cbble? - I thought they broke it completely removing the A stairs from mid to long.
i feel like the halloween update really gave people a rosy-eyed view of the old cobble. it had a lot of very big problems that seem super hard to fix without changing the layout entirely
valve's changes to train seem pretty smart and give me some hope but it really does feel very difficult
They removed the water because they don’t know how to fix their own game XD
they removed the t side wall bang on z which makes me very sad
WIN THE MAJOR FOR US 🐐
For the damage prediction, if blood is not showing on a wall, the server didn't reward you the hit. I know this is situational and sometimes hard to spot, but it's something I noticed watching back clips "whiffing" awp shots. Always
@@Flare97 not really worth it still especially because if you get HS your death camera is shorter. Good eye for that regardless but i think its still not worth and i hope they add some audio indicator or something
@EliGEjj yeah that would be a better idea indeed. but how to make that balanced and not full CoD Hitmarker style? 😂
Sure they can remove the ladder. But why not Connect it to upper instead of lower.
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lost to OG
I play on 6 ping that is very stable and I still get false positives, though rare they are annoying. I had a scout body shot false yesterday and trying to body shot with a usp thinking he was tagged ended up being a big failure. I think the setting hurts more than it helps even for low ping.
@@sacofwine really even with the body shot? If i played a lot of scout that would be something to consider more. Good point
Mirage should leave so that the faceit players can finally learn to play other maps instead of just picking mirage 90% of the time
-nuke +overpass
Get rid of Vertigo and Anubis/Ancient
Imagine...Elige takes Yeki's spot... ;)
have my babies elige
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Remove mirage and change it😂
S1mple
Elige
AleksiB
Donk
Zywoo
Can we make this team for a showmatch on train?
No because Aleksib and Zywoo will play the grand final.
@cpfantastic5576 I meant in general. Not in the major. Maybe just an online event or smth.
@@obitouchiha1944 k
This is the best map in CS2. It’s right up there with Mirage and Dust 2
Please elige go to another teammmmmm
COL UP FOR THE MAJOR YOU GOTTA BELIEVE MAN
@blorkblob2645 I'll go bald if comp wins Shanghai just like my goat elige
why do you care so muchhhhhhhhhhhhhh
@@80crazy because elige is amazing and complexity relies so heavily on him being that star player, I would like to see what he can do as a main rifler next to another star player
@@professor4903lol but in that scenario you described it’s not seeing what elige can do, it’s seeing what other star players can do lol. Hating on complexity ain’t it
+cache +train +overpass
-vertigo -anubis -ancient
anubis and ancient are goated maps are some of the most popular among pro players it aint going anywhere. Most likely vertigo is the only one going out.
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anyone got a refrag code? need to figure out this new map a little better with peeks
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Let me know if you got it I hope no one steals
Hellloo EliGE 🎉🎉❤
what's the best possible cs2 team? donk, m0nesy, zywOo and who else? 🤔
Aleksib for the IGL, Blade for the coach and Jimphat/b1t/jL for the Anchor/lurker.
@@cpfantastic5576 did ropz and twistzz fall off?🤔