I’m old enough to remember when everything the Dionne quintuplets did made the news. I remember articles about them when they were in their 20’s - specifically about Emilie’s death at just 20. The Wikipedia article about them is very good. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_quintuplets
I only have twins and that sentiment applied. When they went to school I didn't cry at the school gate, I did a brief victory dance. We'd got them to school with all their limbs attached.
My grandma is an identical triplet born in the 1930s in Illinois. Even as a triplet she was made into a spectacle. Her mom had them learn tumbling and would book them as entertainment at events all over the Midwest. My grandma had a very hard time establishing her identity as an individual because her mom forced them to always dress and act identically, like they were always a show.
That's just awful. I decided a long time ago if I ever have kids and have twins or triplets, I would only dress them the same on occasion and when they're too young to even realize. Otherwise, I very much would have them in individualized outfits or sometimes outfits that match but have their own color scheme (i.e. twin girls in the same style dress but one in say yellow and the other in pink). They'll know they're part of a set as they grow up, that's just obvious, but they shouldn't be made to feel like they're clones with no individuality.
I'm a twin and while we aren't identical, we were hard to tell apart because, as my mother would say, we were both "bald and toothless". So she colour coded us because she wanted people to use our names and not call us "the twins". A lot of identical twins I've known sort of do the same with hairstyle or dress style to clue people in and be treated as individuals
@@jillr3918that is very interesting. This is a thing most people will never think about at all. We do have a tendency to lump twins together and that’s so uncool. I appreciated this insight. I’m definitely going to be more aware in the future. I’m so glad that your mom valued both of you for your uniqueness and provided that atmosphere for you.
@@EckertainmentWhat worries me most when I see stories of identical twins regularly dressed alike is how often people they spend a lot of time with can't tell them apart. People they deserve to be able to have meaningful relationships with, like grandparents or teachers or classmates. How can you have a meaningful relationship with someone who isn't even sure who you are? Or whether you're the one they shared x or y experience or conversation with or some other kid? How can you build a long term relationship with a person if every time you interact with them they don't know who you are?
I'm a relative of the Dionnes on my maternal side. My mom told me and my sister about all of the garbage that the poor girls were subjected to and the entire circus atmosphere around their birth and their early lives, and made us promise that if we ever found ourselves pregnant with multiples, we wouldn't ever let anyone take them from us or exploit them. Also, the parents' rights were stripped from them by the provincial government because the Dionnes were francophone (this was in the days before Quebec started asserting for the rights of francophones and talking separation as much as they tend to). It was a horror show, honestly. Francophones in Canada were treated as second-class citizens by Anglophone provincial governments (and their francophone lackeys) right up until around the mid-70s or so. They still get a lot of crap, but that's mostly because of agita from Quebec.
I am retired now but I was a Cake Designer when Bobbi and Kenny MacCaughey had their babies. The hospital ordered 30 (yes 30)full sheet cakes for a celebration they hosted after the birth. Of course it looked pretty ridiculous because they sure didn’t do anything special for the non-multiples. They seriously got everything they could have wanted for free. Including a house, excursion van, clothing, food, etc. it was really disgusting.
One of the sweetest things the Derricos did, after losing one of the triplets, is deciding to call the surviving two boys 'Triplins' instead of twins. It is a way to keep their lost sibling's memory alive, as well as defferentiating them from actual twins.
@@Magic_4792 As do I, it makes total sense to differentiate between actual twins, triplets of which all 3 survived and triplets of which 1 didn't survive with a special term for the last one.
When I worked OB/GYN as a medical assistant we discussed multiple babies and ethics I will never forget how the doctor we worked for- a woman said” women’s bodies are not meant to carry a liter”
@@ManticornI can say that as an adult and within my nuclear family, for sure. Infuriatingly, almost all of my extended family called me and my sister “the twins” instead of using our actual names. I remember hating it so much until we were old enough to ask them directly to stop 😂
My mother was born in 1930. She spoke from time to time about the Dionne quintuplets and how horrifically they were treated. There must have been a lot of talk about it during her childhood. Mom became a NICU nurse later in life and often fought for babies born with disabilities or diseases (i.e. AIDS) when doctors and social services were ready to throw in the towel. I guess it was her way of responding. When I think about it, my mom dealt with a lot: The kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby, the mistreatment of the Dionnes and the stress of the Depression years...all before her 5th birthday.
@deborahruthtrotter2154 Google Lindbergh kidnapping. Charles Lindberghs son was kidnapped and a ransom of $50k was demanded, this was 1932, thats the equivalent of 1.1 million now. The linberghs paid 50k to someone who claimed to have info on the baby's location. They went to the location and it was a hoax. Weeks later the baby's body was found in the woods near their house.
@@deborahruthtrotter2154Charles Lindbergh, the first man to complete a trans-Atlantic flight, his son was kidnapped when he was a toddler: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindbergh_kidnapping
I read or heard years ago that the Dionne quints were born in a farmhouse on a winter night and that they didn’t expect them to live, so they wrapped them up in blankets and put them by the stove to keep them warm. When they lived thru the night they decided they would feed them, and they obviously survived. I also heard that the parents were poor and that they felt it would be better for them to let the medical professionals raise them so they could have a chance at a better life. Very sad.
The parents looked young and had other children already. I can understand them feeling like the babies would be better taken care of if they could be provided with more medical care, childcare and resources than those they could give them. How could they have known that they will make the girls a kind of human attraction?
There was actually a massive issue with discrimination against French speaking Canadians. It's far more complicated than just thinking about what was best for the children, sadly. I live in the city where the Dionne house is now and their story is heartbreaking.
girl that hair!!! looking beautiful!!! i found out i was pregnant today so im watching every pregnancy related video of yours i can find! all the love !
There was a documentary on tv back in the 90s about the Dionne Quints call “Million Dollar Babies”. My mom had recorded it on VHS and I watched it all the time. I remember being horrified as a little kid at how inhumane they were treated. We found in an antique shop when I was in high school a Time magazine featuring them from when they were two years old.
! That might be the one that I saw! I remrember seeing a documentary about them on TV a long time ago, and that's how I found out they existed. I remember being just weirded out that THAT. MANY. could be identical. Like....wow, what are the odds on that? I would not have exploited them like that and taken away their childhoods, but I do get why people freaked out.
That wasn't a documentary; it was a made for TV movie that was timed with their 60th birthday. Last I heard, two of them are still alive, and pushing 90 years old.
I have an issue with tlc making money off people who are simply living life. At the best it’s nosy and at the worst these people are completely exploited, typically because they need the money.
They need the money. I’d have to sign up for a TLC if I had mega multiples because otherwise I’d have to give the kids away in adoption because I can’t afford to raise a dozen kids. We’d end up homeless.
All mothers of multiple babies are absolute heroes. I was offered fertility drugs after trying for a child for 5 years. The thought of triplets or more - at the age of 31 (and my husband being 42) really terrified me. I said ‘no thanks’. Luckily 4 years after, without any medical help, my daughter arrived; then my son nearly 4 years later. Managing even two babies at once is such an achievement.
Listening to the story 'Mama Uganda' tells about her life is very sad when it comes to her treatment by her family, her husband, her in-laws, and even her doctors. Her story about the death of her children at the hands of family members was really tragic. She has been through so much.
I lived near the McCauley’s, their parents did an amazing job keeping them out of the public eye. The entire town protected them. They have donated the home that was built for them to a nonprofit that assists teen girls that are expecting. There oldest is the sweetest girl, as well. ❤
As a Canadian who has lived her entire life in the province of Ontario, I shockingly have never heard of the Dionne family until now. That being said, given the Canadian government’s treatment of Indigenous Peoples, which is still ongoing, I’m in no way surprised.
I wonder if it was more regional? I grew up about 2h away but my grandparents had memorabilia in their rec room and I went to the house several times as a child.
I'm in Saskatchewan and I had heard about it. There was a very inaccurate CBC movie in the 90s. Tons of book, including some written by the 4 surviving sisters then the 3 surviving sisters. Then it was big news when the last 3 got a settlement from the Ontario government.
I grew up in Ontario, and learned about them in school. It was the Ontario government that took custody of them, not the federal, though the Canadian gov has had terrible treatment of other groups of people ie: Indigenous, Japanese in WWII
It's one of those cases where you heard more of the Dionne Quints in Quebec than in Ontario because it really puts Ontario in a shitty light and Quebec has an A+ On trashtalk game and the history class blurbs tend to emphasize how inhumane their living conditions were.
I grew up in Ontario and we learned about them in school, plus there was a huge and popular documentary on them when I was a child. I'm surprised to hear there are people who grew up in Ontario who don't know about them.
I'm a smallies vet and whenever we do pregnancy ultrasound scans, we tell our clients "there are at least X puppies/kittens" because getting an accurate count is really hard and any number we give is not reliable. Clients often try to press us for more information, but we just can't make promises about numbers.
Im a twin and after we were born my mom's doc told her she has a high probability of having multiples and my dad was like "Nope! We are done! I'm getting snipped!" 😂😂😂
Regarding the quintuplets, how Ontario treated them was similar to how even US states treated oddities back then. Put them on display, or shutter them away in an institution because it wasn't considered normal in society (much like eugenics for people thought to not be fit for having children).
Their father had actually sold them to a fair in Chicago before the Red Cross took custody. Incubator baby displays weren't uncommon because lots of families couldn't afford the nursing care but people would pay 5 cents to gawk at tiny babies.
Yeah, that was a time period where freak shows and human zoos were pretty common. I’m not excusing it, but I think people had a different mentality back then. Also, I’m sure lack of entertainment outlets contributed to their way of thinking.
I've been following the Dilleys for a long time. I believe they were offered a show as teenagers but the kids didn't want the attention at that time. They are all very successful. Claire is an RN with three children. Brenna is social worker working with organizations such as fighting against human trafficking. Ian is a pharmacist and still studying.... Julian is a doctor and Quinn and Adrian have made the military their careers.
My grandma had several large picture books about the Dionne Quintuplets, and my mom had all 5 quint baby dolls (identical, of course) with their names pinned to their dresses. It was a big thing in the 1930s.
Probably been mentioned but Million Dollar Babies is a movie made about the Dionne babies. Utterly heartbreaking and a story I'll never, ever forget ❤️
Hey! I saw your other comment about being related to the Dionnes on your maternal side. I'm related on my paternal side. I think that means we might possibly be related. We should connect somehow!
The McCaugheys had issues with fertility from the beginning. In their book, Bobbi talks about how she wasn't ovulating so their doctor prescribed Clomid, which didn't work, then Perganol, which they ran into supply issues with, and finally Metrodin, which led to them getting pregnant with their oldest daughter and eventually the septuplets.
The reason that there was so much misinformation on the nonuplets was that right after a different woman came out and claimed to have decuplet(10), but was found to be fibbing, possibly wanting money. I've since been following the nonuplets and they are incredible. Last I heard they were all crawling or walking by their first birthday, and they look so big and healthy.
Thank you for including the Dionne Quints. I highly recommend exploring into their story. Not to exploit them but so people can learn from what happened to them. I am from the city where they're from and there was a huge debate about their museum which is in the house they were born, whether to keep it open or not. Annette and Cecile (the two surviving) want their story to continue so it doesn't happen to anyone else.
First things were different around a century ago. Before we criticize the Canadian government too much almost all governments have abysmal records when it comes to their aboriginal populations.
While I agree woth ypur sentimemt. I would just like to add that the united states has done the exact same thing to our native population, as well as the native civilization of hawaii. Australia also has a reputation for mistreating their aboriginals to this day. Many other countries likely did the same and covered up any info on it.
@@madysonoster4759 exactly my point. All countries have poor records when it comes to their treatment of aboriginal population. Although Dionne children were not treated well it fails in comparison to the treatment aboriginal populations have received throughout the world. Pretty unrelated to how the Dionne quintuplets were treated. Unfortunately anyone who had any identifiable difference was treated like a circus freak on display during that period of time. There was minimal consideration of longterm implications for many situations, no consideration about impact on mental health, no thought given to the importance of family life for development, etc.
As a twin myself, I'm always fascinated to hear about other multiples... NINE babies at once???? That just sounds painful! When I was a junior in HS, there were 5 sets of twins on my track team. It was pretty crazy; 3 identical and 2 fraternal (my brother and I being one of them). Thank you for sharing the story about the quintuplets in CA. I had no idea about that either. It's so sad to think about what they likely went through. I wonder if the parents were ever compensated, saw them again, etc. And to think it was the Red Cross who took custody? That's wild! Looks like there's a 🐇 🕳 I'm going to need to go down!
Red Cross also buys plasma (part of the blood) from drug addicts in poor cities in the US to SELL it in Switzerland and rich countries, nothing surprising about them doing that to the quintuplets back then.
I have cousins that are fraternal twins because of IVF, but growing up I had 7 sets of twins in my graduating class and considering my graduating class was only 310, that's pretty hefty
Eventually, Quintland ended and the 5 girls were returned to their family. It was a difficult & uneasy transition. The quints spoke French, but the family preferred to speak in English. It's reported that their mother abused them physically and that their father abused them sexually. The parents ended up using some of the funds reserved for the quints to build a new house and have a better lifestyle. Later on in their lives, the 3 surviving sisters won a minor settlement from the Ontario government.
There’s a super interesting book about the Dionne quints called “The Miracle and Tragedy of the Dionne Quintuplets” by Sarah Miller. Definitely recommend for a more in depth history, it’s really well written!
Im ngl if i found out i was carrying 5+ kids and someone described it as me and my partner carrying... I think I'd eat them and blame it on cravings. 🙃
I wonder what would’ve happened had the parents not signed over their rights of the quintuplets? I’m so saddened by this, it’s absolutely heartbreaking 😔
This is so interesting to me because I was meant to be a twin but my sibling didn't survive the pregnancy. Nontuplets seems so astounding to me because I had 2 single pregnancies and they were horrific 😂 the Dionne quints story is so sad it reminds me of what residential schools did to my ancestors and so many other indigenous families😢
It's soo crazy to me how people can hold that many babies in them. I was miserable with just one at a time lol (the big one was 9.8 pounds and had an 14-inch head🙃)
Is that a typo? I thought the average newborn head size was around 13.5 inches. 11 inches would be microcephalic. Just for reference my baby was 7.5 pounds and his head was 14.6 inches. 🙃
I remember in Middle school, one of the most interesting things we discussed in health class were “designer babies” and how in the future, parents can customize what their babies are gonna look like as if they were playing sims or something.
Lol I remember when that nonsense was making the rounds, along with the phrase "test tube baby." Being a petri dish kid myself (for accuracy's sake), a lot of the rhetoric about IVF was designed to alienate and other queer couples. My moms were amongst many lesbians to use IVF because the adoption process was so inaccessible to them, and that way only one of my moms needed to attain custody of me through the court system (which couldn't be done until i was 5 and required several home visits -- as if my mom hadn't been there from the moment i was born). There's a whole bunch children born of queer couples around my age, and most of them definitely went on rfamily cruises before they integrated. Also, i love your drawfee animations and now I'm inspired to binge them!
God I remember that discussion in a biology class (middle school or high school, not sure) devolving into eugenics so quickly because of COURSE we'd select out for "problems" aka genetic disabilities.
@@PhoenyxV well everyone wants healthy children with no disabilities, we want our kids to have the best chance at life.... that is why IVF grades embryos and choose to implant embryos with the least likelihood of genetic disabilities because 1) people want healthy children 2) healthy embryos are most likely to making it to live birth and no one wants to experience miscarriage due to disabilities incompatible with life. I don't really see how that has anything to do with "eugenics" because the negative connotations of that word have to do with racism, yet nothing about IVF has to do with race or eliminating people of a certain race...Before you argue its ableist, It's not ableist to not want disabled offspring, its ableist to mistreat disabled people who have already been born. And its not eugenics because it's not about creating a world without disabled people, it's about creating happy families who do not have to take on the full time job of caring for a disabled child. it's very easy to fight against these things on a social justice level when you aren't the one who has to care for the disabled children.
@@PhoenyxV I assume you are pro-choice, as am I, so if a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy because the child has a disability, is that eugenics? people associate eugenics with the old racist theories. Modern eugenics is not bad, I don't see why it is a problem for people to select out babies with disabilities? Again, I doubt you have a problem with women terminating pregnancies for this reason, so why would you have a problem with people selecting embryos that are tested for disabilities ahead of time?
I also remember the Chukwu octuplets. They were born in 1998 in Texas to Nigerian immigrants. Other than an article in People magazine (I think it was) and some talk shows, they largely stayed out of the spotlight. The smallest one passed away at a week old - she was only 11 oz. at birth - but the remaining 7 all survived. There isn't a lot of info about the pregnancy other than the facts that mom was on fertility drugs, one baby was born two weeks before the rest of them, and that mom was on bed rest with her feet higher than her head and she gave up eating by mouth (she was fed intravenously instead) to give the babies all the room in her abdomen to grow.
Yeah. Honestly that’s probably the best way to do it- a few things to get money to help cover that many diapers ad college funds and then raise the kids in normal obscurity.
I think a docuseries or something on the Dionne Quints is due!! Of course, it would have to be done very sensitively as to not add to their exploration. I think it’s really important to tell the story of their horrific exploration by the government. Maybe an expose comparing their exploration and the TLC 2000’s multiplies craze.
I've driven past signs for Quintland. So disgusting. But our government didn't treat native kids any better, so it's really no surprise. The Chilldren's Aid Society here has done some pretty obscene overstepping too, the most recent one I remember was where an obese single father had his kids taken away cause he was too fat to parent them properly, so he worked like a maniac to lose weight and get himself healthy and fit enough to be a parent and they wouldn't give them back becuse he spent too much time on his weight maintenance. And don't even ask how many children who were supposed to be temporarily under CAS care while things got sorted out ended up getting "lost in the system" and were never reunited with their parents.
The quints thing was the provincial government, not the federal. Although the fact that both acted similarly shows a lot about social attitudes of the time, I guess.
I don't even want one tiny human using my inner waterslide. I can't even imagine more than 1. I just can't even wish to have 6 (or more) babies shooting out of the tube ride. Hearing about all the stories about multiple pregnancies was interesting. Thanks for sharing.
My family is actually related to the Dionne quints. My late grandmother's maiden name is Dionne. Its a really sad story, but it was really cool to hear about it on your channel. I've never met them personally. Most recently the two living sisters were offered a public apology from Justin Trudeau and were also awarded a large amount of money as some form of compensation for the trauma they endured. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it!! ☺️
It’s so bizarre to me that the fertility doctor was so willing to keep doing fertility treatments on Suleman when it’s extremely difficult for women to get needed hysterectomies at the same age. It’s ok to keep having medical procedures to have babies even if the fertility treatments have a lot of serious risks, but if a woman the same age decides that she wants to stop having complications from reproductive problems by having a hysterectomy she’s too “young” and “might change her mind”.
Thank you for this great video and presentation! In the 90's, the surviving Dionne quints did get a settlement from the Ontario government for $4 million though I'm sure they were owed more. Emile sadly died young at 20 when having a seizure that caused her to roll her face into a pillow and she suffocated. Marie died in 1970 of what might have been a stroke. Sad how the stress of their childhood must have contributed.
What amazes me about the Dionne quints is that they were born prematurely at home, shared one placenta, the mom had severe pre-eclampsia, and they survived! And only one other surviving set of identical quints has been born (5 girls in Mexico). Fascinates me to think what is the highest amount of identical multiples possible. It is rumored that Dionne quints' mother may have passed a fetus months before the birth. Perhaps they were really identical sextupulets!
The Iowa sextuplets' last name is actually pernounced McCoy. Their first daughter was also conceived using fertility therapy. A friend of mine taught nursing and the staff at the hospital all knew about the impending birth but miraculously it stayed secret until after their birth.
Speaking of TLC families... I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on people having a high number of pregnancies and children, the concerns and risks surrounding that
PLEASEEEE make a PMDD video ❤️🫶 that would be so important. Lots of people don't get diagnosed without askimg about it, don't understand the importance of tracking mood instability and relaying that info to your doctors WITH your cycle timing, and lots do not understand their diagnosis when they get it.
❤there is a mini series done in 1994 about the Dionne girls called Million Dollar Babies with Roy Dupuis as their father. It was really good but also sad to see how the girls were treated. ❤
Omg. I'm only halfway through the video (almost) , but I have to say, after the 1st set of twins I would've called it quits! No need for more than that! 😅
It's a relief to know that the McCaugheys listened to the Dionne Quints and kept their children out of the spotlight. They still seem to be a happy stable family today.
My Great-Grandma Susie had a set of identical twin girls and a set of triplet boys. Sadly two of the triplets only lived a few hours (9 hours and 14 hours). The fact that they were born AT HOME in the 1920s and did as well as did was miraculous!
There's a book called "The Miracle and Tragedy of the Dionne Quintuplets" that goes pretty fully into their lives! I read it in audiobook firm so couldn't check the sources but it was incredibly detailed.
I am so sad about the treatment that the Dionne quints went through at the hands of the Ontario government. It was truly shamful. There was actually a theory that there were six babies but one was lost very early in the pregnancy. Mrs Dionne didn't think she was pregnant any more and was shocked when she went into labour. It is a fascinating story. There is a book by Pierre Berton that is a great read.
My dad's cousins held the birth record for our state they had 27 kids multiple sets of multiples ( I believe like 3 sets of twins and 2 sets of triplets ), farm families in 40s -50s. Crazy bc people broke that record. Thank you for info, The quint land thing was so sad.
You are always entertaining and educational - thank you! The Dionne Quints were well know here in the US and, yes, the exploitation was here, too. I have a child's blue wool felt hat with a Dionne label that a person could buy for their own child to wear just like one of the quints. I think it was purchased for my mom.
I literally thought I was gonna die during childbirth with ONE baby. Props to any woman who gives birth to more than one. Or even 1! 😂 Childbirth is no joke. At least it was tramatic for me. Worth every bit for my daughter though
Gosh the first is a level of hell. The second I was damaged from the last one it was pretty manageable for me but I still got an epidural last minute. I know my body and an epidural on the lowest dose helped me get out without tearing up down there. Postpartum is so so so different when you don’t feel like a war casualty every time you need to use the restroom.
Thanks for this vid! A while back I went way down the rabbit hole of the Dionne Quintuplets after seeing the movie ‘Million Dollar Babies’. I also read ‘We Were Five’ and in a nutshell, when the parents eventually got the girls back, it was too late for them to be easily reintroduced. Their father became very controlling and abusive. Their siblings weren’t close with them and because they grew up with seemingly nothing while watching their sisters get everything, there was jealousy. It was really sad to read. One of the girls died in her early 20’s too. 💔
I'm first time pregnant now, 8 weeks with ONE embryo. I have nausea ALL DAY EVERY DAY and feel like I'm dying. That is why I pray I never have twins. Not speaking of multiples... surely I would die. Nausea, fatigue etc is so much worse with twins and multiples (when one tends to have it).
I came from a family with two sets of twins. We used to say it was in the water because in my neighborhood there were several sets and at that time fertility treatments were not a thing
I first learned about the 1930's quints at a doll club meeting with my mom, when I was little. There were a lot of sets of dolls made of them and they are very collectible now. I knew they were exploited, but I didn't realize it was THAT bad!
@@Anuyushi she didn't say they were natural, but not from IVF. Instead they were most often IUI. This means that they used hormones to induce ovulation.
Had the Dionne Quintuplets not been removed from the family home, they may not have survived physically, especially in a time when antibiotics had not been developed to treat infection. When the girls were returned to their family, a new and larger home had been built. Sadly, however, they were molested by their own father, and never really fit in with the rest of their siblings, who taunted them for being “little princesses.” A very sad life, indeed.
You did great Danielle, your pain re the Dionne sextuplets was totally understandable. Up there with twin studies, horrifying. Sending you love and hugs did the UK ❤❤❤❤
The Dione family was reunited when the girls were preteens if I remember correctly and the girls had talked about how their siblings didn’t really accept them and they felt disconnected from their parents who couldn’t really afford to have all the children (because of course the family didn’t receive any money from their exploitation). 3 of them won a $4 million lawsuit in the late 80s and last I heard of in the mid 2010s only 2 were alive-one had all her money stolen and lived on government assistance and her sister helped pay for extras.
This gives me a couple of possible video ideas, reacting to conjoined twins (Abby and Brittany Hensel come to mind), as well as complications of higher-order multiples/prematurity. I was born at 34 weeks myself and have some vision and eye-related issues, along with a learning disability. And two of the McCaughey septuplets have cerebral palsy, ironically, it affects them in opposite ways.
I watched what was made to look like a documentary about the Dionne quints back when I was a kid in the 90’s or it might have been a film, I can remember being quite horrified by it back then and still am now.
I’m actually pretty glad TLC didn’t get their grubby little claws on a friend of mine, she had sextuplets, two sets of identical s and one set of faternals, and she’s kept them out of the spotlight. Another friend funnily enough has multiple twin and triplet siblings she herself being a twin and she didn’t have any multiple pregnancies. Genetics are funny.
Good lord! I could never imagine having that much babies! I’m a triplet so anything more than that makes me think how bad that would hurt. My mom had to have surgery to get us out of her and according to Mom she could barely breathe until we were out of her.
The Darricos are definitely not a record. That, as far as Wikipedia knows, goes to Valentina and Feodor Vassilyev with 69 (hehe) children in the 18th century. Also interesting is that some areas of the world are said to be more prone to multiples than others. There's a Nigerian city with a higher rate of twin births than others. Not demanding, but in case you'd like to do another video in this series, I'm down. And the stuff to talk about regarding higher order multiples seems to be limitless. ETA: Since you touched on experiments on multiples, you could also do a video on the intentional separations of multiples done by this doctor in New York, which is the background for the documentary Three Identical Strangers.
Yes, the Dion Quints were horribly exploited. The worst was the parents kept exploiting them when they got them back. I'm distantly related to the Dion family. That woman in Africa most likely didn't have any help to care for nine babies.
I think I would actually prefer to have twins in the future (but not more), so I could avoid going through pregnancy and labor twice, because the idea of pregnancy and birth scares the hell out of me (even watching medical shows is creepy , although obviously I know that is a fiction and exaggerated) and I heard, when it´s more than 1 baby, the doctor is more likely to agree with C-section. I heal well on a physical level, so I would like to choose that.
Wouldn't a better nickname for the baby be Atlas and not Hercules? I have a mild interest in greek mythology due to Percy Jackson so Atlas makes more sense to me.
Oh the Dilleys!! I loved them! Diane Sawyer used to do an update special on them every year for a while - I watched religiously. I guess they just captured my interest because I was only 14 or so when they were born. I about spit out my drink when you said they were 30 though. I was WHAT THE FUCK!! lol. Time gets away from all of us, I guess.
i remember my mom telling me about this sad story when i was young. Parents please don't exploit your children online, in person, multiples or single for monetary, family vloggers etc. this world is not safe from predators.
I guess it's from being an Old (born at the beginning of the 1960s) but the Dionne quintuplets were a Big Deal back then, partly because their struggles with the Ontario government as adults were in the news when I was a teenager. I still find it quite amazing that pregnancy/birth was as successful as it was, given the time and the fairly primitive conditions the Dionnes lived in. (To be clear, no more primitive than the farmhouse my father had been born in two months earlier than the quints, but there was no electricity or running water.)
The McCaughey septuplets are from my hometown Carlisle, Iowa. Their name is pronounced McCoy, not McCoffee. From what I remember, they were diagnosed with infertility before their first child was born. She was given a fertility drug to stimulate ovulation and got pregnant with one baby. When their daughter was a few years old, they wanted to have another child. They went back to the fertility doctor, received the same drug, and that time she became pregnant with 7 seven babies. Same drug, very different result. She stayed at the hospital where my mom worked as a RN, I worked there at the gift shop in high school, so the hospital was also very familiar to me. It was a very weird experience seeing my small hometown (population 3000) and workplace on the news.
So fascinating! I am following Down the Rabbit Hole at Bedtime's chapter by chapter book summary of the Kate Gosselin exposed book. Depending on how much is true, it's wild.
When we did IVF in 1996 we were asked to sign a paper about SELECTIVE REDUCTION... I REFUSED... STATING THAT IF WE HAD TO CHOSE ONE OR ALL IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO DO‼️ Luckily we only had 1 egg implant although they implanted 3 eggs at the time... For our daughter we chose to do IUI... AND luckily it TOOK‼️ Our youngest son was an actual MIRACLE baby as I was on Chemotherapy when he was conceived and he survived❣️ ALL are GROWN and healthy 👍❣️ 💞 ALOHA FROM HAWAI'I 💞🌹 LYSSA 🌹
My mother, born in 1930 (and still alive), recalls her family taking her on a road trip to see the Dionne quintuplets. She would have been school-aged, perhaps around 8. She grew up outside Boston. Yes, it truly was a thing that people did back then.
Hello Mama !! As a veterinary, the Dillet Sextuplets make me smile. Missing a children must almost never happened to you, but is very frequent in my work, as we often just don't know how many babies a dog or a cat carry. We can make prenatal exam to know, but we are getting a X-Ray !! And counting little skulls and little spines to get the right number of kitten/puppy (i love pregnant cat XRay, so cute). Our worry is actually totally opposed to yours : we worry if there is only one kitten/puppy, because it could grow so much that it can't birthed naturally, and would needed a C-section. Is it a exam done in human medecine ? Can't it be a good idea for those high multiples pregancy ? As for the Derricos, there is multiple cases around the world (I know of some in Africa, and Dr Google say also in Bresil and India) there are some village with a much higher number of twins locally. So it very very possible there is a "Twin gene", that Mr. and Mrs Derricos get.
I saw an interview with the Dilley family when the kids were still fairly young, and all of them said, "Oh, yeah, Adrian was hiding." BTW, one of them is now a physician, and I heard another was planning to got to law school. I was surprised not to see any kind of news when they turned 18, and then I later found out a possible reason why: One of the girls was pregnant (although interestingly, she got married BEFORE she got pregnant.) Goes without saying that the marriage didn't last very long.
@irina-ty1336 They don't do x-rays on human babies due to possible damage to their developing cells. They usually won't x-ray a pregnant person unless there is a life threatening reason.
Yes! I’m a breeder and I use a Doppler (I love those little heartbeats!) and then my girl gets an X-ray. I’m actually glad I have a smaller - 14 pound - dog. In the group I’m in I’ve seen the X-rays some of the breeders with big dogs have. I lose count! Idk how you do you it!
@@alyssa8920 I follow some rescue cat cams, and I love to see the x-rays. In my case, I count the skulls. Sadly, a few times these x-rays have picked up deformed or stillborn kittens, but that's reality in the animal world.
I don't know that there's ever been a more realistic mom response than "That or I'll be in a straightjacket somewhere." 🤣
It’s perfect lmao
That’s definitely a large family mom saying.
Said every mum of a few close kids ever! (I had 4 in 5½ years. I can relate just from that "small" bunch!)
I’m old enough to remember when everything the Dionne quintuplets did made the news. I remember articles about them when they were in their 20’s - specifically about Emilie’s death at just 20. The Wikipedia article about them is very good.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionne_quintuplets
I only have twins and that sentiment applied. When they went to school I didn't cry at the school gate, I did a brief victory dance. We'd got them to school with all their limbs attached.
My grandma is an identical triplet born in the 1930s in Illinois. Even as a triplet she was made into a spectacle. Her mom had them learn tumbling and would book them as entertainment at events all over the Midwest. My grandma had a very hard time establishing her identity as an individual because her mom forced them to always dress and act identically, like they were always a show.
That's just awful. I decided a long time ago if I ever have kids and have twins or triplets, I would only dress them the same on occasion and when they're too young to even realize. Otherwise, I very much would have them in individualized outfits or sometimes outfits that match but have their own color scheme (i.e. twin girls in the same style dress but one in say yellow and the other in pink). They'll know they're part of a set as they grow up, that's just obvious, but they shouldn't be made to feel like they're clones with no individuality.
That’s so disturbing
I'm a twin and while we aren't identical, we were hard to tell apart because, as my mother would say, we were both "bald and toothless". So she colour coded us because she wanted people to use our names and not call us "the twins". A lot of identical twins I've known sort of do the same with hairstyle or dress style to clue people in and be treated as individuals
@@jillr3918that is very interesting. This is a thing most people will never think about at all.
We do have a tendency to lump twins together and that’s so uncool.
I appreciated this insight. I’m definitely going to be more aware in the future.
I’m so glad that your mom valued both of you for your uniqueness and provided that atmosphere for you.
@@EckertainmentWhat worries me most when I see stories of identical twins regularly dressed alike is how often people they spend a lot of time with can't tell them apart. People they deserve to be able to have meaningful relationships with, like grandparents or teachers or classmates. How can you have a meaningful relationship with someone who isn't even sure who you are? Or whether you're the one they shared x or y experience or conversation with or some other kid? How can you build a long term relationship with a person if every time you interact with them they don't know who you are?
It is sad that "Don't exploit children" is a topic that needs to be discussed instead of common ethical sense.
Yeah, and even today. Not to the extent of the Dionne quints typically, but show business and now influencer business is still so. Ugh.
#BanChristianity
I'm a relative of the Dionnes on my maternal side. My mom told me and my sister about all of the garbage that the poor girls were subjected to and the entire circus atmosphere around their birth and their early lives, and made us promise that if we ever found ourselves pregnant with multiples, we wouldn't ever let anyone take them from us or exploit them.
Also, the parents' rights were stripped from them by the provincial government because the Dionnes were francophone (this was in the days before Quebec started asserting for the rights of francophones and talking separation as much as they tend to). It was a horror show, honestly. Francophones in Canada were treated as second-class citizens by Anglophone provincial governments (and their francophone lackeys) right up until around the mid-70s or so. They still get a lot of crap, but that's mostly because of agita from Quebec.
Thank you for that context, I had no idea about the discrimination of French speakers in Canada, and so recently too!
wow. that is horrible. thank you for the context.
I am retired now but I was a Cake Designer when Bobbi and Kenny MacCaughey had their babies. The hospital ordered 30 (yes 30)full sheet cakes for a celebration they hosted after the birth. Of course it looked pretty ridiculous because they sure didn’t do anything special for the non-multiples. They seriously got everything they could have wanted for free. Including a house, excursion van, clothing, food, etc. it was really disgusting.
Not to say Quebec doesn't go agro, but this context also explains why maybe Anglos felt hostility from Francophones.
@@stephanieann622 It was the first live human birth of 7 babies. There is enough bad news in the world; why not celebrate when something good happens?
One of the sweetest things the Derricos did, after losing one of the triplets, is deciding to call the surviving two boys 'Triplins' instead of twins. It is a way to keep their lost sibling's memory alive, as well as defferentiating them from actual twins.
I just love the term triplin ❤
@@Magic_4792 Me too 😊
@@Magic_4792 As do I, it makes total sense to differentiate between actual twins, triplets of which all 3 survived and triplets of which 1 didn't survive with a special term for the last one.
When I worked OB/GYN as a medical assistant we discussed multiple babies and ethics I will never forget how the doctor we worked for- a woman said” women’s bodies are not meant to carry a liter”
I think you mean litter, but having a litre/liter of fluids in your bladder isn't comfortable either.
My ultrasound tech said this to me after I passed out during the anatomy scan. I was only having twins though.
I love the honesty In that statement.
I think that is so true. All the publicity around these multiple births is dangerous for the women and babies.
Props to the Dilley family giving all their sextuplets distinct names.
Yeah, as a twin I can say that having distinct names like that is a lot better for the mental health of the children.
Don’t they all end in N? I’m too lazy to go back and look 😅
@@ManticornI can say that as an adult and within my nuclear family, for sure. Infuriatingly, almost all of my extended family called me and my sister “the twins” instead of using our actual names. I remember hating it so much until we were old enough to ask them directly to stop 😂
I thought the same thing
@@LeeannGthat's messed up, I'm sorry
My mother was born in 1930. She spoke from time to time about the Dionne quintuplets and how horrifically they were treated. There must have been a lot of talk about it during her childhood. Mom became a NICU nurse later in life and often fought for babies born with disabilities or diseases (i.e. AIDS) when doctors and social services were ready to throw in the towel. I guess it was her way of responding. When I think about it, my mom dealt with a lot: The kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby, the mistreatment of the Dionnes and the stress of the Depression years...all before her 5th birthday.
what year did her mom become a NICU nurse?
Who was the Lindbergh baby?
@deborahruthtrotter2154 Google Lindbergh kidnapping. Charles Lindberghs son was kidnapped and a ransom of $50k was demanded, this was 1932, thats the equivalent of 1.1 million now. The linberghs paid 50k to someone who claimed to have info on the baby's location. They went to the location and it was a hoax. Weeks later the baby's body was found in the woods near their house.
@@deborahruthtrotter2154Charles Lindbergh, the first man to complete a trans-Atlantic flight, his son was kidnapped when he was a toddler: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindbergh_kidnapping
@@dirtbagdeacon Thanks.
Thank you for including the Dionne girls. This story is freaking disgusting, and as a French Canadian, it has been haunting me for a very long time!
Same here! Tellement triste cette histoire 😢
Being half French Canadian, I am also a cousin to the Dionnes. I've found how we're related on my family tree.
L'histoire de cette famille est pire que triste. C'est abominable.
@@Zeyev Tout à fait.
@@Zeyev vraiment! C'est atroce et d'une cruauté sans nom.
I read or heard years ago that the Dionne quints were born in a farmhouse on a winter night and that they didn’t expect them to live, so they wrapped them up in blankets and put them by the stove to keep them warm. When they lived thru the night they decided they would feed them, and they obviously survived. I also heard that the parents were poor and that they felt it would be better for them to let the medical professionals raise them so they could have a chance at a better life. Very sad.
The parents looked young and had other children already. I can understand them feeling like the babies would be better taken care of if they could be provided with more medical care, childcare and resources than those they could give them. How could they have known that they will make the girls a kind of human attraction?
Yes, that was the way they kept babies warm back then. My mother told me that was how her mother kept her warm. She was born in the 1930s.
It would have been during the depression also. The parents likely felt very pressured.
The mother also thought she was probably going to have twins. (Dr. DaFoe had delivered quadruplets a few years earlier; none of them lived.)
There was actually a massive issue with discrimination against French speaking Canadians. It's far more complicated than just thinking about what was best for the children, sadly. I live in the city where the Dionne house is now and their story is heartbreaking.
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Congratulations 🎉 wishing you all the best with your pregnancy!
Congratulations!
Congratulations on the pregnancy news 🎉
Aww Congrats!
Congratulations, wishing you a safe pregnancy and baby
There was a documentary on tv back in the 90s about the Dionne Quints call “Million Dollar Babies”. My mom had recorded it on VHS and I watched it all the time. I remember being horrified as a little kid at how inhumane they were treated. We found in an antique shop when I was in high school a Time magazine featuring them from when they were two years old.
! That might be the one that I saw! I remrember seeing a documentary about them on TV a long time ago, and that's how I found out they existed. I remember being just weirded out that THAT. MANY. could be identical. Like....wow, what are the odds on that?
I would not have exploited them like that and taken away their childhoods, but I do get why people freaked out.
Would it be possible for you to get a copy to MDJ?
@@laartje24 Oh that VHS is long worn out. I did see it on YT in two parts, though.
That wasn't a documentary; it was a made for TV movie that was timed with their 60th birthday. Last I heard, two of them are still alive, and pushing 90 years old.
@@sarah2.017 Ooop. I’m sorry. It was a miniseries made based on a fact based novel about them.
I have an issue with tlc making money off people who are simply living life. At the best it’s nosy and at the worst these people are completely exploited, typically because they need the money.
But the families agree to it, so they are just as guilty. I think the families are looking for a quick easy buck.
It's cheap to produce, and gets people to watch in horror.
@@tamicoil7069do you know what “exploitation” means dude :/
It is most likely those families were coerced, tricked, bullied, or bribed into participating without having all of the information.
They need the money. I’d have to sign up for a TLC if I had mega multiples because otherwise I’d have to give the kids away in adoption because I can’t afford to raise a dozen kids. We’d end up homeless.
All mothers of multiple babies are absolute heroes. I was offered fertility drugs after trying for a child for 5 years. The thought of triplets or more - at the age of 31 (and my husband being 42) really terrified me. I said ‘no thanks’. Luckily 4 years after, without any medical help, my daughter arrived; then my son nearly 4 years later. Managing even two babies at once is such an achievement.
You should also mention 'Mama Uganda' who naturally had 44 children by age 41 (all multiples from twins to quadruplets).
And all naturally! I'm a big fan of Mama Uganda. She loves them all 💕
My heart goes out to her because her husband abandoned her and now she is trying to pay off the house from her in laws.
Listening to the story 'Mama Uganda' tells about her life is very sad when it comes to her treatment by her family, her husband, her in-laws, and even her doctors. Her story about the death of her children at the hands of family members was really tragic. She has been through so much.
@Hyperlophus It for sure is a VERY tragic story.
She owes the Ugandan equivalent of 1500 USD for the complex she is living in
I lived near the McCauley’s, their parents did an amazing job keeping them out of the public eye. The entire town protected them. They have donated the home that was built for them to a nonprofit that assists teen girls that are expecting. There oldest is the sweetest girl, as well. ❤
As a Canadian who has lived her entire life in the province of Ontario, I shockingly have never heard of the Dionne family until now. That being said, given the Canadian government’s treatment of Indigenous Peoples, which is still ongoing, I’m in no way surprised.
I wonder if it was more regional? I grew up about 2h away but my grandparents had memorabilia in their rec room and I went to the house several times as a child.
I'm in Saskatchewan and I had heard about it. There was a very inaccurate CBC movie in the 90s. Tons of book, including some written by the 4 surviving sisters then the 3 surviving sisters. Then it was big news when the last 3 got a settlement from the Ontario government.
I grew up in Ontario, and learned about them in school. It was the Ontario government that took custody of them, not the federal, though the Canadian gov has had terrible treatment of other groups of people ie: Indigenous, Japanese in WWII
It's one of those cases where you heard more of the Dionne Quints in Quebec than in Ontario because it really puts Ontario in a shitty light and Quebec has an A+ On trashtalk game and the history class blurbs tend to emphasize how inhumane their living conditions were.
I grew up in Ontario and we learned about them in school, plus there was a huge and popular documentary on them when I was a child. I'm surprised to hear there are people who grew up in Ontario who don't know about them.
I'm a smallies vet and whenever we do pregnancy ultrasound scans, we tell our clients "there are at least X puppies/kittens" because getting an accurate count is really hard and any number we give is not reliable. Clients often try to press us for more information, but we just can't make promises about numbers.
Im a twin and after we were born my mom's doc told her she has a high probability of having multiples and my dad was like "Nope! We are done! I'm getting snipped!" 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂 LoL bless that doctor, forewarned is forearmed
Regarding the quintuplets, how Ontario treated them was similar to how even US states treated oddities back then. Put them on display, or shutter them away in an institution because it wasn't considered normal in society (much like eugenics for people thought to not be fit for having children).
Their father had actually sold them to a fair in Chicago before the Red Cross took custody. Incubator baby displays weren't uncommon because lots of families couldn't afford the nursing care but people would pay 5 cents to gawk at tiny babies.
@@kylacaswell177 And he allegedly sexually abused them when they got them back when they were 9. It's just so horrible, all of it. :(
Yeah, that was a time period where freak shows and human zoos were pretty common. I’m not excusing it, but I think people had a different mentality back then. Also, I’m sure lack of entertainment outlets contributed to their way of thinking.
I've been following the Dilleys for a long time. I believe they were offered a show as teenagers but the kids didn't want the attention at that time. They are all very successful. Claire is an RN with three children. Brenna is social worker working with organizations such as fighting against human trafficking. Ian is a pharmacist and still studying.... Julian is a doctor and Quinn and Adrian have made the military their careers.
My grandma had several large picture books about the Dionne Quintuplets, and my mom had all 5 quint baby dolls (identical, of course) with their names pinned to their dresses.
It was a big thing in the 1930s.
Probably been mentioned but Million Dollar Babies is a movie made about the Dionne babies. Utterly heartbreaking and a story I'll never, ever forget ❤️
I think that was the scariest movie I saw as a child. I had nightmares after I saw it.
Mega multiple families had to become influencers to afford childcare
It's a uterus, not a clown car! Holy crap.
Hey! I saw your other comment about being related to the Dionnes on your maternal side. I'm related on my paternal side. I think that means we might possibly be related. We should connect somehow!
The McCaugheys had issues with fertility from the beginning. In their book, Bobbi talks about how she wasn't ovulating so their doctor prescribed Clomid, which didn't work, then Perganol, which they ran into supply issues with, and finally Metrodin, which led to them getting pregnant with their oldest daughter and eventually the septuplets.
The reason that there was so much misinformation on the nonuplets was that right after a different woman came out and claimed to have decuplet(10), but was found to be fibbing, possibly wanting money. I've since been following the nonuplets and they are incredible. Last I heard they were all crawling or walking by their first birthday, and they look so big and healthy.
I think the woman in the thumbnail is the 10 baby hoax lady. Dissapointed that it wasn't mentioned in the video.
Naturally occurring quints is why when I get my first ultrasound, I double check that there's only one baby.
Quintuplets naturally occur in one human pregnancy in 60 MILLION. Very unlikely.
Thank you for including the Dionne Quints. I highly recommend exploring into their story. Not to exploit them but so people can learn from what happened to them. I am from the city where they're from and there was a huge debate about their museum which is in the house they were born, whether to keep it open or not. Annette and Cecile (the two surviving) want their story to continue so it doesn't happen to anyone else.
Not shocked that the Canadian government took the kids, i have heard what they did to the native population
First things were different around a century ago. Before we criticize the Canadian government too much almost all governments have abysmal records when it comes to their aboriginal populations.
@@amyseaden9069First, I think the Canadian government's booboos about being criticized will be okay if so many people have survived its genocides. 😁
While I agree woth ypur sentimemt. I would just like to add that the united states has done the exact same thing to our native population, as well as the native civilization of hawaii. Australia also has a reputation for mistreating their aboriginals to this day. Many other countries likely did the same and covered up any info on it.
@@madysonoster4759 exactly my point. All countries have poor records when it comes to their treatment of aboriginal population. Although Dionne children were not treated well it fails in comparison to the treatment aboriginal populations have received throughout the world. Pretty unrelated to how the Dionne quintuplets were treated. Unfortunately anyone who had any identifiable difference was treated like a circus freak on display during that period of time. There was minimal consideration of longterm implications for many situations, no consideration about impact on mental health, no thought given to the importance of family life for development, etc.
@@amyseaden9069no government is above criticism even in comparison to other governments.
I remember learning about the Dionne Quints in a few history classes (in Ontario) and a lot of the stuff they went through, very sad and horrific
As a twin myself, I'm always fascinated to hear about other multiples... NINE babies at once???? That just sounds painful! When I was a junior in HS, there were 5 sets of twins on my track team. It was pretty crazy; 3 identical and 2 fraternal (my brother and I being one of them).
Thank you for sharing the story about the quintuplets in CA. I had no idea about that either. It's so sad to think about what they likely went through. I wonder if the parents were ever compensated, saw them again, etc. And to think it was the Red Cross who took custody? That's wild!
Looks like there's a 🐇 🕳 I'm going to need to go down!
Red Cross also buys plasma (part of the blood) from drug addicts in poor cities in the US to SELL it in Switzerland and rich countries, nothing surprising about them doing that to the quintuplets back then.
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I have cousins that are fraternal twins because of IVF, but growing up I had 7 sets of twins in my graduating class and considering my graduating class was only 310, that's pretty hefty
My mom has identical twin cousins, and their adopted brother has identical twin sons.
Eventually, Quintland ended and the 5 girls were returned to their family. It was a difficult & uneasy transition. The quints spoke French, but the family preferred to speak in English. It's reported that their mother abused them physically and that their father abused them sexually. The parents ended up using some of the funds reserved for the quints to build a new house and have a better lifestyle. Later on in their lives, the 3 surviving sisters won a minor settlement from the Ontario government.
There’s a super interesting book about the Dionne quints called “The Miracle and Tragedy of the Dionne Quintuplets” by Sarah Miller. Definitely recommend for a more in depth history, it’s really well written!
Im ngl if i found out i was carrying 5+ kids and someone described it as me and my partner carrying... I think I'd eat them and blame it on cravings. 🙃
I wonder what would’ve happened had the parents not signed over their rights of the quintuplets? I’m so saddened by this, it’s absolutely heartbreaking 😔
This is so interesting to me because I was meant to be a twin but my sibling didn't survive the pregnancy. Nontuplets seems so astounding to me because I had 2 single pregnancies and they were horrific 😂 the Dionne quints story is so sad it reminds me of what residential schools did to my ancestors and so many other indigenous families😢
It's soo crazy to me how people can hold that many babies in them. I was miserable with just one at a time lol (the big one was 9.8 pounds and had an 14-inch head🙃)
Is that a typo? I thought the average newborn head size was around 13.5 inches. 11 inches would be microcephalic. Just for reference my baby was 7.5 pounds and his head was 14.6 inches. 🙃
@NadineWu lol yes it was a typo 😅
@NadineWu Luckily she wasn't 14 and a half just 14
@@finnilyenough Whew! I was thinking either that's a typo or that kid needs to see a specialist. 😅 I'm wondering why my kids are so bobbleheaded lol.
I remember in Middle school, one of the most interesting things we discussed in health class were “designer babies” and how in the future, parents can customize what their babies are gonna look like as if they were playing sims or something.
Lol I remember when that nonsense was making the rounds, along with the phrase "test tube baby."
Being a petri dish kid myself (for accuracy's sake), a lot of the rhetoric about IVF was designed to alienate and other queer couples. My moms were amongst many lesbians to use IVF because the adoption process was so inaccessible to them, and that way only one of my moms needed to attain custody of me through the court system (which couldn't be done until i was 5 and required several home visits -- as if my mom hadn't been there from the moment i was born). There's a whole bunch children born of queer couples around my age, and most of them definitely went on rfamily cruises before they integrated.
Also, i love your drawfee animations and now I'm inspired to binge them!
God I remember that discussion in a biology class (middle school or high school, not sure) devolving into eugenics so quickly because of COURSE we'd select out for "problems" aka genetic disabilities.
@@brinnc-o9065 what do you mean they went on family cruises before they integrated? I'm so confused, is that a euphemism?
@@PhoenyxV well everyone wants healthy children with no disabilities, we want our kids to have the best chance at life.... that is why IVF grades embryos and choose to implant embryos with the least likelihood of genetic disabilities because 1) people want healthy children 2) healthy embryos are most likely to making it to live birth and no one wants to experience miscarriage due to disabilities incompatible with life. I don't really see how that has anything to do with "eugenics" because the negative connotations of that word have to do with racism, yet nothing about IVF has to do with race or eliminating people of a certain race...Before you argue its ableist, It's not ableist to not want disabled offspring, its ableist to mistreat disabled people who have already been born. And its not eugenics because it's not about creating a world without disabled people, it's about creating happy families who do not have to take on the full time job of caring for a disabled child. it's very easy to fight against these things on a social justice level when you aren't the one who has to care for the disabled children.
@@PhoenyxV I assume you are pro-choice, as am I, so if a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy because the child has a disability, is that eugenics? people associate eugenics with the old racist theories. Modern eugenics is not bad, I don't see why it is a problem for people to select out babies with disabilities? Again, I doubt you have a problem with women terminating pregnancies for this reason, so why would you have a problem with people selecting embryos that are tested for disabilities ahead of time?
I also remember the Chukwu octuplets. They were born in 1998 in Texas to Nigerian immigrants. Other than an article in People magazine (I think it was) and some talk shows, they largely stayed out of the spotlight. The smallest one passed away at a week old - she was only 11 oz. at birth - but the remaining 7 all survived. There isn't a lot of info about the pregnancy other than the facts that mom was on fertility drugs, one baby was born two weeks before the rest of them, and that mom was on bed rest with her feet higher than her head and she gave up eating by mouth (she was fed intravenously instead) to give the babies all the room in her abdomen to grow.
Yeah. Honestly that’s probably the best way to do it- a few things to get money to help cover that many diapers ad college funds and then raise the kids in normal obscurity.
I think a docuseries or something on the Dionne Quints is due!! Of course, it would have to be done very sensitively as to not add to their exploration. I think it’s really important to tell the story of their horrific exploration by the government. Maybe an expose comparing their exploration and the TLC 2000’s multiplies craze.
I've driven past signs for Quintland. So disgusting. But our government didn't treat native kids any better, so it's really no surprise. The Chilldren's Aid Society here has done some pretty obscene overstepping too, the most recent one I remember was where an obese single father had his kids taken away cause he was too fat to parent them properly, so he worked like a maniac to lose weight and get himself healthy and fit enough to be a parent and they wouldn't give them back becuse he spent too much time on his weight maintenance. And don't even ask how many children who were supposed to be temporarily under CAS care while things got sorted out ended up getting "lost in the system" and were never reunited with their parents.
Lost in the system??? Sounds so shady and exploitive it hurts to read it
The quints thing was the provincial government, not the federal. Although the fact that both acted similarly shows a lot about social attitudes of the time, I guess.
I don't even want one tiny human using my inner waterslide. I can't even imagine more than 1. I just can't even wish to have 6 (or more) babies shooting out of the tube ride.
Hearing about all the stories about multiple pregnancies was interesting. Thanks for sharing.
My family is actually related to the Dionne quints. My late grandmother's maiden name is Dionne. Its a really sad story, but it was really cool to hear about it on your channel. I've never met them personally. Most recently the two living sisters were offered a public apology from Justin Trudeau and were also awarded a large amount of money as some form of compensation for the trauma they endured. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it!! ☺️
It’s so bizarre to me that the fertility doctor was so willing to keep doing fertility treatments on Suleman when it’s extremely difficult for women to get needed hysterectomies at the same age. It’s ok to keep having medical procedures to have babies even if the fertility treatments have a lot of serious risks, but if a woman the same age decides that she wants to stop having complications from reproductive problems by having a hysterectomy she’s too “young” and “might change her mind”.
Thank you for this great video and presentation! In the 90's, the surviving Dionne quints did get a settlement from the Ontario government for $4 million though I'm sure they were owed more. Emile sadly died young at 20 when having a seizure that caused her to roll her face into a pillow and she suffocated. Marie died in 1970 of what might have been a stroke. Sad how the stress of their childhood must have contributed.
What amazes me about the Dionne quints is that they were born prematurely at home, shared one placenta, the mom had severe pre-eclampsia, and they survived! And only one other surviving set of identical quints has been born (5 girls in Mexico). Fascinates me to think what is the highest amount of identical multiples possible. It is rumored that Dionne quints' mother may have passed a fetus months before the birth. Perhaps they were really identical sextupulets!
The Iowa sextuplets' last name is actually pernounced McCoy. Their first daughter was also conceived using fertility therapy. A friend of mine taught nursing and the staff at the hospital all knew about the impending birth but miraculously it stayed secret until after their birth.
Thank you for pointing out the mispronouncing of the McCaughey family.
My cousins wife taught them in Sunday school. Oh the stories she has lol.
I was reading the comments looking for this one. I’m from Iowa so I see local new articles about them from time to time.
Speaking of TLC families... I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on people having a high number of pregnancies and children, the concerns and risks surrounding that
We need to be aware of the many multiple births thay don't always go well there are children that have disabilities both physically and mentally .
PLEASEEEE make a PMDD video ❤️🫶 that would be so important. Lots of people don't get diagnosed without askimg about it, don't understand the importance of tracking mood instability and relaying that info to your doctors WITH your cycle timing, and lots do not understand their diagnosis when they get it.
She has one! About pms but she talk about pmdd
@aprilupfold6424 but if people look up PMDD that wouldn't come up? I'd love to see one with the title of it :)
❤there is a mini series done in 1994 about the Dionne girls called Million Dollar Babies with Roy Dupuis as their father. It was really good but also sad to see how the girls were treated. ❤
Omg. I'm only halfway through the video (almost) , but I have to say, after the 1st set of twins I would've called it quits! No need for more than that! 😅
Omg the fish tail braid! Your hair looks amazing!
Thats a LITTER
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That's a lot even for a DOG 😂
It's a relief to know that the McCaugheys listened to the Dionne Quints and kept their children out of the spotlight. They still seem to be a happy stable family today.
My Great-Grandma Susie had a set of identical twin girls and a set of triplet boys. Sadly two of the triplets only lived a few hours (9 hours and 14 hours). The fact that they were born AT HOME in the 1920s and did as well as did was miraculous!
There's a book called "The Miracle and Tragedy of the Dionne Quintuplets" that goes pretty fully into their lives! I read it in audiobook firm so couldn't check the sources but it was incredibly detailed.
I am so sad about the treatment that the Dionne quints went through at the hands of the Ontario government. It was truly shamful. There was actually a theory that there were six babies but one was lost very early in the pregnancy. Mrs Dionne didn't think she was pregnant any more and was shocked when she went into labour. It is a fascinating story. There is a book by Pierre Berton that is a great read.
My dad's cousins held the birth record for our state they had 27 kids multiple sets of multiples ( I believe like 3 sets of twins and 2 sets of triplets ), farm families in 40s -50s. Crazy bc people broke that record. Thank you for info, The quint land thing was so sad.
You are always entertaining and educational - thank you! The Dionne Quints were well know here in the US and, yes, the exploitation was here, too. I have a child's blue wool felt hat with a Dionne label that a person could buy for their own child to wear just like one of the quints. I think it was purchased for my mom.
I literally thought I was gonna die during childbirth with ONE baby. Props to any woman who gives birth to more than one. Or even 1! 😂 Childbirth is no joke. At least it was tramatic for me. Worth every bit for my daughter though
Gosh the first is a level of hell. The second I was damaged from the last one it was pretty manageable for me but I still got an epidural last minute. I know my body and an epidural on the lowest dose helped me get out without tearing up down there. Postpartum is so so so different when you don’t feel like a war casualty every time you need to use the restroom.
Thanks for this vid! A while back I went way down the rabbit hole of the Dionne Quintuplets after seeing the movie ‘Million Dollar Babies’. I also read ‘We Were Five’ and in a nutshell, when the parents eventually got the girls back, it was too late for them to be easily reintroduced. Their father became very controlling and abusive. Their siblings weren’t close with them and because they grew up with seemingly nothing while watching their sisters get everything, there was jealousy. It was really sad to read. One of the girls died in her early 20’s too. 💔
i thought 3 kids was a LOT, but 9!? what even??
also, this is unrelated, but that hairstyle looks good on you!! ✨
I'm first time pregnant now, 8 weeks with ONE embryo. I have nausea ALL DAY EVERY DAY and feel like I'm dying. That is why I pray I never have twins. Not speaking of multiples... surely I would die. Nausea, fatigue etc is so much worse with twins and multiples (when one tends to have it).
You'll probably be fine in just a few weeks. If it's too debilitating, or you're losing a lot of weight, your doctor may prescribe something for you.
Did MDJ call her members "membryos"? Because that's amazing
She does!
I came from a family with two sets of twins. We used to say it was in the water because in my neighborhood there were several sets and at that time fertility treatments were not a thing
This hairstyle looks so good on you! You’re just stunning!
I first learned about the 1930's quints at a doll club meeting with my mom, when I was little. There were a lot of sets of dolls made of them and they are very collectible now. I knew they were exploited, but I didn't realize it was THAT bad!
THERE'S MORE OF THESE POOR WOMEN?
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Except most chose this, it didn’t just happen naturally.
@@PsychGirlRaven She directly says in the video that a lot of them were natural
@@Anuyushi she didn't say they were natural, but not from IVF. Instead they were most often IUI. This means that they used hormones to induce ovulation.
@@Rebsterno all them were naturally occurring not one of these women used fertility treatments of any kind you guys don’t listen
Had the Dionne Quintuplets not been removed from the family home, they may not have survived physically, especially in a time when antibiotics had not been developed to treat infection. When the girls were returned to their family, a new and larger home had been built. Sadly, however, they were molested by their own father, and never really fit in with the rest of their siblings, who taunted them for being “little princesses.” A very sad life, indeed.
Mccaughey is pronounced like Mccoy. I babysat for them with my sister and my cousin when I was younger. Used to go to church with them.
Always wondered how to pronounce their name
You did great Danielle, your pain re the Dionne sextuplets was totally understandable. Up there with twin studies, horrifying. Sending you love and hugs did the UK ❤❤❤❤
The movie Million Dollar Babies which is about the Dionne quintuplets is absolutely heartbreaking!💔
The Dione family was reunited when the girls were preteens if I remember correctly and the girls had talked about how their siblings didn’t really accept them and they felt disconnected from their parents who couldn’t really afford to have all the children (because of course the family didn’t receive any money from their exploitation). 3 of them won a $4 million lawsuit in the late 80s and last I heard of in the mid 2010s only 2 were alive-one had all her money stolen and lived on government assistance and her sister helped pay for extras.
Your hair looks so pretty! 😭❤
This gives me a couple of possible video ideas, reacting to conjoined twins (Abby and Brittany Hensel come to mind), as well as complications of higher-order multiples/prematurity. I was born at 34 weeks myself and have some vision and eye-related issues, along with a learning disability. And two of the McCaughey septuplets have cerebral palsy, ironically, it affects them in opposite ways.
My all time favorite response to a set of quintuplets (this was back in the '80s), "Those aren't babies; it's a litter!")
I watched what was made to look like a documentary about the Dionne quints back when I was a kid in the 90’s or it might have been a film, I can remember being quite horrified by it back then and still am now.
Not gonna lie, im not finished but i am glad to see the first two not theming all their names.
I’m actually pretty glad TLC didn’t get their grubby little claws on a friend of mine, she had sextuplets, two sets of identical s and one set of faternals, and she’s kept them out of the spotlight. Another friend funnily enough has multiple twin and triplet siblings she herself being a twin and she didn’t have any multiple pregnancies. Genetics are funny.
Good lord! I could never imagine having that much babies! I’m a triplet so anything more than that makes me think how bad that would hurt. My mom had to have surgery to get us out of her and according to Mom she could barely breathe until we were out of her.
The Darricos are definitely not a record. That, as far as Wikipedia knows, goes to Valentina and Feodor Vassilyev with 69 (hehe) children in the 18th century.
Also interesting is that some areas of the world are said to be more prone to multiples than others. There's a Nigerian city with a higher rate of twin births than others.
Not demanding, but in case you'd like to do another video in this series, I'm down. And the stuff to talk about regarding higher order multiples seems to be limitless.
ETA: Since you touched on experiments on multiples, you could also do a video on the intentional separations of multiples done by this doctor in New York, which is the background for the documentary Three Identical Strangers.
Yes, the Dion Quints were horribly exploited. The worst was the parents kept exploiting them when they got them back. I'm distantly related to the Dion family.
That woman in Africa most likely didn't have any help to care for nine babies.
I am not kidding when I say multiple pregnancy is my biggest fear
I think I would actually prefer to have twins in the future (but not more), so I could avoid going through pregnancy and labor twice, because the idea of pregnancy and birth scares the hell out of me (even watching medical shows is creepy , although obviously I know that is a fiction and exaggerated) and I heard, when it´s more than 1 baby, the doctor is more likely to agree with C-section. I heal well on a physical level, so I would like to choose that.
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My grandma had a set of paper dolls that were of the quintuplets. I remember playing with them when I was a kid.
The red cross as an organisation gives me the shivers. Their grey ethics persist to this day.
Wouldn't a better nickname for the baby be Atlas and not Hercules? I have a mild interest in greek mythology due to Percy Jackson so Atlas makes more sense to me.
Oh the Dilleys!! I loved them! Diane Sawyer used to do an update special on them every year for a while - I watched religiously. I guess they just captured my interest because I was only 14 or so when they were born. I about spit out my drink when you said they were 30 though. I was WHAT THE FUCK!! lol. Time gets away from all of us, I guess.
i remember my mom telling me about this sad story when i was young. Parents please don't exploit your children online, in person, multiples or single for monetary, family vloggers etc. this world is not safe from predators.
As a Mom of 2 boys and a nanny for other families I just can't imagine that many babies. WOW
Iam processing giving birth one day to one child. let alone 9!
I guess it's from being an Old (born at the beginning of the 1960s) but the Dionne quintuplets were a Big Deal back then, partly because their struggles with the Ontario government as adults were in the news when I was a teenager. I still find it quite amazing that pregnancy/birth was as successful as it was, given the time and the fairly primitive conditions the Dionnes lived in. (To be clear, no more primitive than the farmhouse my father had been born in two months earlier than the quints, but there was no electricity or running water.)
The McCaughey septuplets are from my hometown Carlisle, Iowa. Their name is pronounced McCoy, not McCoffee. From what I remember, they were diagnosed with infertility before their first child was born. She was given a fertility drug to stimulate ovulation and got pregnant with one baby. When their daughter was a few years old, they wanted to have another child. They went back to the fertility doctor, received the same drug, and that time she became pregnant with 7 seven babies. Same drug, very different result. She stayed at the hospital where my mom worked as a RN, I worked there at the gift shop in high school, so the hospital was also very familiar to me. It was a very weird experience seeing my small hometown (population 3000) and workplace on the news.
the "blame cam" and "netflix pitch cam" edits were so cute :) I appreciate edits like that without loud sound effects etc
So fascinating! I am following Down the Rabbit Hole at Bedtime's chapter by chapter book summary of the Kate Gosselin exposed book. Depending on how much is true, it's wild.
When we did IVF in 1996 we were asked to sign a paper about SELECTIVE REDUCTION... I REFUSED... STATING THAT IF WE HAD TO CHOSE ONE OR ALL IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO DO‼️ Luckily we only had 1 egg implant although they implanted 3 eggs at the time... For our daughter we chose to do IUI... AND luckily it TOOK‼️ Our youngest son was an actual MIRACLE baby as I was on Chemotherapy when he was conceived and he survived❣️ ALL are GROWN and healthy 👍❣️ 💞 ALOHA FROM HAWAI'I 💞🌹 LYSSA 🌹
My mother, born in 1930 (and still alive), recalls her family taking her on a road trip to see the Dionne quintuplets. She would have been school-aged, perhaps around 8. She grew up outside Boston. Yes, it truly was a thing that people did back then.
As a mom of two singletons followed by a set of fraternal twins, I cannot imagine the high order pregnancies.
You should wear that hairstyle more often! It suits you!
Hello Mama !! As a veterinary, the Dillet Sextuplets make me smile. Missing a children must almost never happened to you, but is very frequent in my work, as we often just don't know how many babies a dog or a cat carry. We can make prenatal exam to know, but we are getting a X-Ray !! And counting little skulls and little spines to get the right number of kitten/puppy (i love pregnant cat XRay, so cute). Our worry is actually totally opposed to yours : we worry if there is only one kitten/puppy, because it could grow so much that it can't birthed naturally, and would needed a C-section.
Is it a exam done in human medecine ? Can't it be a good idea for those high multiples pregancy ?
As for the Derricos, there is multiple cases around the world (I know of some in Africa, and Dr Google say also in Bresil and India) there are some village with a much higher number of twins locally. So it very very possible there is a "Twin gene", that Mr. and Mrs Derricos get.
I saw an interview with the Dilley family when the kids were still fairly young, and all of them said, "Oh, yeah, Adrian was hiding." BTW, one of them is now a physician, and I heard another was planning to got to law school. I was surprised not to see any kind of news when they turned 18, and then I later found out a possible reason why: One of the girls was pregnant (although interestingly, she got married BEFORE she got pregnant.) Goes without saying that the marriage didn't last very long.
@irina-ty1336 They don't do x-rays on human babies due to possible damage to their developing cells. They usually won't x-ray a pregnant person unless there is a life threatening reason.
Yes! I’m a breeder and I use a Doppler (I love those little heartbeats!) and then my girl gets an X-ray. I’m actually glad I have a smaller - 14 pound - dog. In the group I’m in I’ve seen the X-rays some of the breeders with big dogs have. I lose count! Idk how you do you it!
@@sarah2.017why goes without saying? I got married and pregnant at 19, and we're still married, and happy, 42 years later.
@@alyssa8920 I follow some rescue cat cams, and I love to see the x-rays. In my case, I count the skulls. Sadly, a few times these x-rays have picked up deformed or stillborn kittens, but that's reality in the animal world.