That's such a dishonest way to word it. If I told you I had one billion dollars to spend on a project which won't work, would you rather I invest it in something else or waste it?
Caddy Guy Gaming lol you’re ignorant and clearly haven’t a clue of what you’re talking about. He’s making back more than he intended he was going to make. Eventually he will profit. First social awareness had to occur, and not to mention it’s still in its infant stage. You’re simple minded though. It’s okay, bud.
Caleb Harris Yup, you know me so well to make that assumption. Making money is different that profit. He's dumping all the money back in, yet still doesn't have enough to ship intended levels of model 3's. Also no profit to show his investors on top of it. An estimate for Nov. estimates 240 model 3s shipped. Why do you think they came out with the new roadster and truck hype train? He needs money to fund the model 3's. What hype train will he use to fund the roadster and truck when the time comes. Now commence with your personal insults since that is all you have.
Caddy Guy Gaming Making a profit is crucial and not about to happen, *however* Amazon (and others) has done quite well in the last two decades by re-investing almost every dime in growth, barely any profit. Had you put a measly $10k on AMZN in 1997 and let it run till today you'd have close to $8M. Not likely Tesla can do that but SOME smart money is betting they will be worth 20X more than today in ten yr.s.
I'll pass. Whether that happens or not doesn't matter. Something about Musk doesn't sit right with me. Gut feeling, I don't take kindly to cult leaders. Go ahead and throw your money at him if you wish. I do wish I didn't miss the bitcoin train through. :-/
Please pay attention. Musk is NOT funding it beyond sponsing some associated student projects. The Funding is coming from Virgin Hyperloop One. It really has little to do with Musk any more.
yeah he paints a facade, doesnt actually solve any of the problems, probably makes them worse or slightly better sometimes .thats pretty much the extent of his ideas. There all pretty dumb except of the now paypal
Old fashioned governments that only care about oil are ruining progression. Seeing as how the US is the forefront for innovators to innovate and that its president barely believes in science - progression is being limited a shit tonne.
manu ss controlled flight was possible according to the laws of thermodynamics, the Hyperloop not so much. This 1km test track took an hour to pump all of the air out, and even then the top speed was around 90 miles an hour.
@GoodRiddanceGooglePlus its not really a waste if it will be usefull. But we can't prevent person like you to try and stop the humanities upgrade its normal to have some ignorant people per generation so dont be hard to yourself.
What did they say about the automotive, airplanes, space travel and so many other great engineering projects? It could not be done, too expensive, too dangerous, too difficult... Putting a person on the moon in 1969 was vastly more complex than this and people think this can't be done in 2018? Give me a break... A lack of funding is the biggest obstacle for any project, including this.
Hyperloop concept is old, Musk practically only named it and made concept more known, it essentially Maglev train in the low pressure tube, Maglev train is not new there already commercial lines..... but on entire world you can count those lines on your finger, because it's hell lot of expensive and doing this in tube and maintaining all the challenges of that is even more expensive. So who even tell you that we gonna have Hyperloop in few years and it gonna revolutionize transport he is BSing you, Maglev is here and it didn't kill long distance trains.
They all were and still are very expensive. Might blow your mind but most people in the world do now own a car. Much fewer actually fly and investment in space projects dropped substantially since the end of the Cold War every year and most projects have been postponed or abandoned. Because many of us benefited from it does not invalidate the criticism those technologies received because for most humans those technologies are not in reach.
" automotive, airplanes, space travel" - well the first two have worked (no-one is using space for "travel" though), but many many more engineering projects have failed too, including earier versions of the Hyperoop - it is not a new idea. Any project needs to be weighed up, and Hyperoop won't succeed even with the best-taking salesman of the 21st century (Musk) is hyping it up.
And people will still argue against this.. My cousin believes that it can't be done and it's a waste of time. I tried telling him they wouldn't be shoveling all this money to invest if the engineers didn't know what they were doing
The credulity of the media on this matter is breathtaking! The Economist to stick to class warfare and avoid subjects related to science and technology!
1:58 air wont work. Once you introduce air you lose the vacuum and create friction. Magnets are the only way this will work to levitate a high speed rail system.
I think its still good to make a start. The fact that we have made a start gives us a direction of where we need to go next and given enough time, the goal should be achieved. (assuming no one gives up)
That's why we need more stem in our society. I'm amazed to hear some people believe this is impossible. This anything but impossible; the same as electric cars and other types of electric powered transport systems.
@@CompCode-Central easy to sabotage, poor economy of scale, poor capacity, high maintenance cost. It’s just a super expensive and inferior version of a train
Exactly. Wait, you need to connect LA and NY over more than 3000 miles? Nope, that can't happen for any investors who just want an easy and quick money from their investments. Not to mention, an airplane is just better and cheaper for that. Have you ever been to Japan? More than 38 million people live in Tokyo Greater Area (almost the same size as Connecticut)
i believe in this project. even many people criticize and don't find it practical. It has so many challenges but that is what it takes new technologies to improve. everyone can make something easy. the important thing is to solve difficult problems and become an advanced civilization. i can't understand why people are so overreacting such a revolutionary project. if you don't find it legit then don't ride it when it is ready
VanillaBean I’d be worried about its use of vacuum. It takes a single hole, puncture, or bolt shift for air to start pouring in at an extreme speed. Without a vacuum, this hyperloop cannot function and will require a long time of not operating to locate the where the air is coming from and be expensive and difficult to repair.
The only question we need ask ourselves is if it's physically possible. And I believe, as well as many others believe, that it is physically possible. That making hyperloop work is merely a matter of engineering. If it's physically possible, all we have to do is dream it and work toward that dream, and someday it will be reality.
No. Govt will stop it from happening. And by govt i mean their campaign contributors who are the entrenched current businesses. SOCIALISM IS JUST THE BEST!
Hyperloop is an insane engineering problem. Vibrations. The speed of the car goes so fast it may resonate the tube. Earthquakes could decimate the tube. Current engineering methods would be to utilize a mass damper system. Because this would have thousands of mass damper systems, this would be almost impossible to do the analysis on. We'll need to develop new forms of analysis for hyperloop for extremely high order differential equations. Thermal expansion. The length of the tube will deviate a hundreds of meters at the proposed distance. Current engineering methods have mechanical "expansion joints" that physically slide in and out. For oil&gas they add uppercase omega looking "kinks" into the line. Neither of these engineering methods are practical for hyperloop. Warping. The sun will heat up the top of the pipe, and the bottom will remain cold. This will cause the pipe to curve since the top expands. Current methods utilize expensive shiny reflective pipe that is relatively short distance. Long distance pipe is put underground to remove this problem. Neither of these two engineering solutions are suitable for hyperloop. Risk of Decompression. If a hole in the pipe occurs, this could compromise the structural integrity of the whole pipe and cause it to collapse onto itself. Also the car could receive structural damage from running into air resistance going 1000km/h. Oil Pipelines are have extremely high "positive" pressure so they couldn't collapse onto themselves. Airplanes also have "positive" pressure. The only engineering method to deal with negative pressure would be to add structural supports. Adding structural supports is not possible with hyperloop, or the tube would be blocked. Corrosion. Corrosion causes pipelines to leak all the time. Billions of dollars are investing into corrosion engineering to "mitigate" or "slow" corrosion. Corrosion is never 100% eliminated. The current method of hyperloop construction is to have concrete set onto the bottom of the tube. This would cause a lot of corrosion on the inside of the tube as the concrete sets. Currently there's no engineering method available to completely remove corrosion. Keeping the tube straight - You literally need it go through mountains. You need the tube to be straight, otherwise riders would see large accelerations. Current methods with roads/railways involve just "curving" the road around the mountains. Going 80km/h is fine for these curves. Going 1000km/h is not. The hyperloop as is, is not ready for the engineering demand. Still 50+ years away from getting what has been teased.
@@ericcartmann I don't understand why they don't just stick a bullet train inside a plexiglass loop to isolate it from the influences of the outside world (like wildlife and weather) and let it rip along at 300mph. This would be both cheaper and safer using the current level of technology that we have. they could just build it over the middle of the existing highway system. Even a 300mph maglev train would be an improvement for commuting between NY and DC or up the West Coast.
It's a great tech contest that will ultimately lead to no viable product. But if that's ok with investors, then fine... it'll be much like other DARPA challenge projects. Reality of it is though, that if people really wanted a fast transportation method without many of Hyperloop barriers, lower infrastructure costs, and several advantages like being able to put multiple "cars" on regular intervals and make several stops along the way... MagLev trains already exist and are operational. There is no need to reinvent the wheel. It'll be theoretically slower, but MagLev trains already operate at speeds that border the limits of security and comfort, but that's the only real disadvantage. On the counterpart there are multiple advantages - proven technology, no need to build near vacuum tubes, can deal with "cars" of different shapes and sizes, can work with routes with multiple stop points, it has the way more familiar shape and usability similar to trains, etc etc. The question then becomes, how valuable is the tech potentially being developed in these competitions are as a whole - not only potential development, but also for stuff like education, parallel applications, and whatnot. As far as I've seen, the leading companies (like Hyperloop One) are replicating MagLev technology basically. Their initial beta test of propulsion is something MagLev trains already did decades ago. Whatever is being produced for vacuum tubes does not translate well for the final product because the more area a tube has to implement near vacuum, the more complex it becomes. Imagine someone putting his/her money on development of a flying car instead of just buying a regular car because he/she expects to be flying over traffic jams in a few decades. Is that sound reasoning? That's up for each one to decide. It becomes a problem though when money put on this is public money, and it sacrifices current investment in much needed traditional infrastructure in favor of some far fetched utopic vision. It's fine while the companies trying to develop it are all privately funded, and up until sometime ago that was the case. The initial prototype tests and some of the competition is all privately funded. Private money with interests in patents and other development, it's their own money to invest. But recently, there have been a whole ton of talks about governments (India, UAE, Netherlands, Sweden) pitching to get a track. There's money being invested for the company to study feasibility of installing a non-existing track for a non-existing technology that might or might not happen in the future by governmental transportation agencies in some countries. This is where things get sketchy. Some countries might agree to invest some money in something like these as they have spare money to waste, but I don't want my country and I don't think it's fair for the citizens of some countries to burn public money on this when they don't even invest enough to fix current infrastructure that is in dire need of repairs and rebuilding.
Wow have you seen what elon musk companies have achieved ? To say that this technology will not be viable is pretty stupid if u dont have any data supporting them. Many people told the same about reusable rockets , electric card but see how much progress has been made now. These type of competition inspire people to create better transportation tech so even if hyperloop doesnot succeed the tech will be used somewhere or new tech can be created by learning from this. As far as govt money the govt spends the money in old transportation anyway so its good there is atleast some interest from govt to invest in new technology .
XSportSeeker. I got two words for ya " nothing ventured nothing gained." well, algebra was never my strong suit. This has to happen my friend. We cannot deny the future. Invention is a trial and error game, especially where untested waters are concerned. Please read the comments entirely before making assumptions. With all due respect. The transportation industry is lacking seriously in the safety, speed, energy consumption departments just to name a few.
+XSportSeeker You make valid arguments. Unfortunately User, Gowtham, and Thommy are fan boys and have their noses so far up Musk's asshole that they can't be objective any more.
@@gowthamv7856 And many are technologies for the few. There are 7.5 billion people in the world and the vast majority don't even have access to basic technology hundred years old like a car and basic roads, proper sanitation, healthcare. Even less have access to computers or internet. Most countries are limited to old and unsafe trains and ships. Only a fraction of humans have access to flight. The more you push boundaries the less will have access to it. These technologies are viable but just to connect a few megalopolis in very wealthy nations. The majority will be stuck with what they already have. Hyperloop is not something new. It has been studied and tested for decades and cost is always the biggest factor leaving it behind.
They also say terrorism makes it too impractical because there can't be a single hole anywhere since it works like a vacuum, From what I've heard and read about
Hyperloop is possible. People think it was impossible to built a train and we have a train. People think it was impossible to built an interstate and we do have that. So time will tell.
Doesn't anyone have at least good argument against this? Our progress has just begun and we are nowhere near the limits of advancing technology. What would you rather do? Live with no progress and stay doing nothing or actually chase dreams and suprass the current limitations. Life is quite boring if you don't take any risks.
It's not easy to be a crazy billionaire like Elon Musk. But Hyperloop could become a reality one day. Engineering and Technology is advanced enough. This is the time.
Calgary to Fort Macmurray in Alberta would be a perfect installation of a below ground high-speed bi-directional Hyperloop with stops in Red Deer, Edmonton and possibly options for other regional stops along the way, side tracks will ensure that the flow of traffic is unencumbered with loading and unloading along with 2 parallel tracks to serve as an emergency escape in the event of a problem. I would hope considerations would also be made to transport vehicles safely on this loop as well as human cargo perhaps in various sized personal pods that operate without a schedule and are autonomous along with scheduled semi-autonomous person movers on fixed routes. Someday connecting Canada East to West and south to our brothers and sisters we are so fond of bringing people together efficiently and safely making the world just a little bit smaller.
Not new technology, but applying it to transport people is new, at least as far as acutally building it. Pneumatic tube systems have been used for decades, you've probably even used one without realizing it. Though not as common as it once was drive-in banking made use of pneumatic tube systems to move your check and deposit slip in to the teller and they sent your receipt and/or cash back out to you using one of these systems. Exact same principle just on a smaller scale. Larger systems than those used at banks have been installed (I helped build and test some of them) with payloads of 20 pounds or more. There was a casino in Atlantic City (closed long ago) that used a pneumatic tube system to move money and chips around and it was fast and secure. Hospitals use them to speed off samples to their lab when a trauma case comes into the ER. Applying this to moving people requires another level of redundant control systems to accomodate the needs of the cargo; in this case living, breathing people; and get them from A to B safely. So this is not a hoax or pipe dream, it WILL happen. Just needs to develop slowly and build up some operating expierence before it's deployed on a large scale. Then you have the other hurdle of resistance from the trucking industry and the railroads because this will put them out of business except trucks for last mile delivery.
Guess that's unbiased journalism for you Asks viewer to think about the question - "But is hyperloop ready to usher in a new age of mass transit, or is it just a billionaire's pipedream?" *Titles video "Billionaire's pipedream"*
As of 2020, "Billionaire's pipedream" is an unbiased way to describe Hyperloop. Nobody can yet tell whether is feasible to use it for human transport, as the technical issues and dangers surrounding it are all yet to be solved. Only after we can ensure to keep a vacuum inside a metallic infrastructure long several hundreds of km and exposed to thermal dilatation, we'll have a grasp on its feasibility.
Worshiped by nerds, defended by groupies, disgusted by losers, surrounded by rivals, despised by oil diggers, sold by the media, disproved by flat-earthers. That's a lot.
Mass Transit systems are like Trains and Subways have long platforms and a large number of doors that allow thousands of people to be loaded and unloaded in seconds. How is this possible if you need to seal an air lock and then evacuate/pressurize it at each station. Can you build an air lock that is as long as a train station platform? The infrastructure at each station seems huge - airlocks, pumps - compared to a train station, which is just a platform and some bathrooms. Traveling at that speed at ground level, means that the entire length of the track needs to be secured against sabotage and terrorism ( vs airlines, which only need to secure the airport). Also the security at the station needs to be comparable to that of an airport, since any explosion means certain death to everybody traveling on the train ( and potentially anybody in other trains in the tube because the tube will experience sudden pressurization ) Could somebody from the Hyperloop project answer, if possible. I'm wondering how this can be a practical mass transit system. It may be a successful prestige project in a few cities.
Hyperloop PODS hold a Dozen people or a little more. no Infill stations One Station at Either End. A true express system with no stops in between. Direct LA to SF for example. MUSK is also building the NON-pressurized LOOP transport , Chicago to Airport and Dodger Stadium - LA. All Electric skates will transport 12 people or more at 200 Mph.
Stan Ford. Cut it out you're killin' me. It's not his idea nor his invention he's merely trying to inspire us. This can work but at face value ,no. Oh, hell no. Way way, way too expensive per mile. But we're not interested in that right now. We need to know, is the concept doable? He's doing something... That's what matters. If it's a total failure then at least he tried. You have got to try. There's no forward momentum without that initial push. Lead follow or get outta the way. No disrespect. Let the man do his thing. There is a lot to learn from doing and succeeding also in failure. You CANNOT be afraid of failure. How many filaments did Edison try before using carbon ? Hundreds? Thousands?
Thommy Two Toes Times Three Thomas Edison promoted DC power for the grid. It didn't work. Sometimes ideas just don't work. It's clear that using current available materials, this cannot be done in the real world. That's why Elon isn't bothering using his time, energy and resources for it but he has handed it over to others. He knows it's currently pointless but rather than just give up, he has passed it to others. Some things really are actually a waste of time. Maybe this won't be, maybe it will. But what if he had spent that time working on flying vehicles which could be made using new glass electrolite lithium cells which do not deteriorate and can be recharged in less time than it takes for a passenger to alight and another to get in. Travel within cities could be much faster. Outside of cities it has potential to do well too. Why focus on something which thunderf00t has thoroughly debunked? Seems a waste of time to me
Stan Ford. You could ver well be right. I do, however, believe he's on the right track. Please, if would be so kind, to read my seven or eight other posts in this section. It's something i find fascinating and it's been a dream of mine since the early eighties to develop something similar but not using vacuum. To me that's silly and wasteful. The only thing stopping me was cash. I was short about 9,999,000$.
Stan Ford. It'll work. Not in it's current state of design though. As long as the road surface or track are designed in unison. Where we've been missing the boat is in track construction. The road needs to be designed along the same parameters as the carriage which rides upon it. Everyone is perhaps misled by all the hype of 700 mph. Forget that nonsense. 150 to 170 is fast i don't care what anyone says. Work with doable numbers first then expand on that is what I say. The problem encountered with the higher speeds is when things go wrong they go horribly wrong Whats wrong with 100 or 200 mph? With 99.99% percent safety factor i'll take it. The world needs this to happen. I seriously doubt this hyper loop is the answer though,but the knowledge gained through trial and error should prove well worth the effort provided the money comes from donors outside the taxpayer domain. When a workable model is found I'm certain the public would support it. Before a system can be developed it first needs to be visualized. After that...how practical is it? E.g. does it require compounds or materials that haven't been developed or discovered yet?
Stan Ford. It's simply a cool concept. Whether you like the guy ( musk) or hate him you still get to use his hard won victories. That's what I like. The main problem i see is in cornering or any slight variations in altitude. Going over a bump or slight grade at high speed is bone shaking to say the least. Perfectly aligned straightaways are an absolute must at high speed. Aircraft enjoy few turns, and fewer bumps.Any movement sideways or up/down need gradual degrees of change at the higher speeds.
Elon is a walking Dunning-Kruger effect but his followers are the truly special ones
Humanity wants all these cool futuristic next level stuff, but criticize and doubt the people who are actually trying to get us to there 👿
Society is a double-edged sword
ASTON RAY Great, Let's hear ALL about what you're doing to move us forward and better humanity.
ASTON RAY "because of space vacuum", that tell much about your IQ.
you got fuckin right
That's such a dishonest way to word it. If I told you I had one billion dollars to spend on a project which won't work, would you rather I invest it in something else or waste it?
Tesla was Elon's pipe dream once
Charleston Velas Let me know when Tesla turns a profit.
Caddy Guy Gaming lol you’re ignorant and clearly haven’t a clue of what you’re talking about. He’s making back more than he intended he was going to make. Eventually he will profit. First social awareness had to occur, and not to mention it’s still in its infant stage. You’re simple minded though. It’s okay, bud.
Caleb Harris Yup, you know me so well to make that assumption.
Making money is different that profit. He's dumping all the money back in, yet still doesn't have enough to ship intended levels of model 3's. Also no profit to show his investors on top of it. An estimate for Nov. estimates 240 model 3s shipped. Why do you think they came out with the new roadster and truck hype train? He needs money to fund the model 3's. What hype train will he use to fund the roadster and truck when the time comes.
Now commence with your personal insults since that is all you have.
Caddy Guy Gaming
Making a profit is crucial and not about to happen, *however* Amazon (and others) has done quite well in the last two decades by re-investing almost every dime in growth, barely any profit. Had you put a measly $10k on AMZN in 1997 and let it run till today you'd have close to $8M. Not likely Tesla can do that but SOME smart money is betting they will be worth 20X more than today in ten yr.s.
I'll pass. Whether that happens or not doesn't matter. Something about Musk doesn't sit right with me. Gut feeling, I don't take kindly to cult leaders. Go ahead and throw your money at him if you wish. I do wish I didn't miss the bitcoin train through. :-/
At least someone is out there ,trying to improve the lives of everyone on Earth!
Mostly funded with his own money!
Thank You Elon Musk
Please pay attention. Musk is NOT funding it beyond sponsing some associated student projects. The Funding is coming from Virgin Hyperloop One. It really has little to do with Musk any more.
But tbf this was originally musks idea
@@stayswervin554 except it's been around 100 years before he was born.
ah, pipe dream. it goes through a pipe...
Peter Houle cant wait for all of the people shooting this lame joke out of their ass to be wrong
I couldn't agree more!
XD
Peter Houle literally thought that same thing lol
lol pipe dream. (not literally of course)
Elon doesnt tell you
how bad the world actaully is. He painted a better future for everyone to chase. Thats why people like him. Be like Elon.
yeah he paints a facade, doesnt actually solve any of the problems, probably makes them worse or slightly better sometimes .thats pretty much the extent of his ideas. There all pretty dumb except of the now paypal
its misleading to say hyperloop is the future. its just an engineers toy at this time. its just concept. like the space elevator.
He is the real life Tony Stark, a real life super-genius.
I see him more as Donald Davenport from Lab Rats.
MZH Comedy lol I remember that show
I am honestly so confused why I got this for science homework-
Musk is a true visionary and genius. I love his passion for thinking big. Unlike those small minded politicians.
Elon didn't invented hyperloop. This idea was brought up in the 70s as a concept.
His is as much a genius as uncle Kenny inventing an electric bike.
This competition is a win-win even when the final goal is not reached.
It is sad that he felt like explaining that Munich and Berlin are two German cities...
Instead of building weapons, let the government invest in Musk
Old fashioned governments that only care about oil are ruining progression. Seeing as how the US is the forefront for innovators to innovate and that its president barely believes in science - progression is being limited a shit tonne.
So we can waste money on stupid electric trucks and the Hyperloop? It is a facade, it will never catch on
@@zachb1706 Oh Yeah!!! People said the same thing about controlled flight travel until Wright brothers made it possible.
manu ss controlled flight was possible according to the laws of thermodynamics, the Hyperloop not so much.
This 1km test track took an hour to pump all of the air out, and even then the top speed was around 90 miles an hour.
‘Trains- but worse’- Elon Musk
Canada is very happy to be on the short list for the first Hyperloop between Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal.
@GoodRiddanceGooglePlus its not really a waste if it will be usefull. But we can't prevent person like you to try and stop the humanities upgrade its normal to have some ignorant people per generation so dont be hard to yourself.
How's that working out for you? 😄
What did they say about the automotive, airplanes, space travel and so many other great engineering projects?
It could not be done, too expensive, too dangerous, too difficult...
Putting a person on the moon in 1969 was vastly more complex than this and people think this can't be done in 2018? Give me a break... A lack of funding is the biggest obstacle for any project, including this.
Hyperloop concept is old, Musk practically only named it and made concept more known, it essentially Maglev train in the low pressure tube, Maglev train is not new there already commercial lines..... but on entire world you can count those lines on your finger, because it's hell lot of expensive and doing this in tube and maintaining all the challenges of that is even more expensive. So who even tell you that we gonna have Hyperloop in few years and it gonna revolutionize transport he is BSing you, Maglev is here and it didn't kill long distance trains.
They all were and still are very expensive. Might blow your mind but most people in the world do now own a car. Much fewer actually fly and investment in space projects dropped substantially since the end of the Cold War every year and most projects have been postponed or abandoned. Because many of us benefited from it does not invalidate the criticism those technologies received because for most humans those technologies are not in reach.
" automotive, airplanes, space travel" - well the first two have worked (no-one is using space for "travel" though), but many many more engineering projects have failed too, including earier versions of the Hyperoop - it is not a new idea. Any project needs to be weighed up, and Hyperoop won't succeed even with the best-taking salesman of the 21st century (Musk) is hyping it up.
You don't know what you're talking about, go research the problems with the vaccum train, it will never happen.
And people will still argue against this.. My cousin believes that it can't be done and it's a waste of time. I tried telling him they wouldn't be shoveling all this money to invest if the engineers didn't know what they were doing
The credulity of the media on this matter is breathtaking! The Economist to stick to class warfare and avoid subjects related to science and technology!
Elon musk and satoshi nakamoto are heros of our generation.
Before: CONGRATS YOU HIT THE WORLD RECORD OF 38 MILES PER HOUR
Now: CONGRATS YOU HIT THE WORLD RECORD OF 1000 MILES PER HOUR
world has changed so much
People need to start changing the word "could" with "will" when it comes to the greatest mind of our generation. Elon Musk!!
1:58 air wont work. Once you introduce air you lose the vacuum and create friction. Magnets are the only way this will work to levitate a high speed rail system.
@Brandon Wheeler I would think the magnets would be far enough away from people that people would not be effected. Plus you can shield against it.
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I think its still good to make a start. The fact that we have made a start gives us a direction of where we need to go next and given enough time, the goal should be achieved. (assuming no one gives up)
Oh boy, it is hard to fight physics, eh? ;)
The modern world isn't daring enough,we should be trying this stuff
Hey, is that Linus 1:56 from Linus Tech Tips in the background? hehe
yea! he is linus
What a catch!
I was about to comment that 😂👍🏼
@@epicmonkey6124 oh wow! nice
We already have these in London and they work very well.
The media! Tesla, SolarCity, and SpaceX were Elon's pipe dreams. Haters always hate.
Looper-hype
Da G. Funny. You velly funny. Ya.
How can you not be behind Musk and his visions?
That's why we need more stem in our society. I'm amazed to hear some people believe this is impossible. This anything but impossible; the same as electric cars and other types of electric powered transport systems.
I think it could also be a good way to transport shipping containers or any other resources.
No, no it is not. For many reasons.
Probably a more realistic practical use
@@allergy5634 what reasons?
@@CompCode-Central easy to sabotage, poor economy of scale, poor capacity, high maintenance cost. It’s just a super expensive and inferior version of a train
People might criticise but many believe in tesla and hyoerloop.It's going to revolutionize
Electric car aiming on O&G
Hyperloop is aiming on Airlines
America doesn't need hyperloop; America needs the trains that the Japanese are currently using
Exactly. Wait, you need to connect LA and NY over more than 3000 miles? Nope, that can't happen for any investors who just want an easy and quick money from their investments. Not to mention, an airplane is just better and cheaper for that. Have you ever been to Japan? More than 38 million people live in Tokyo Greater Area (almost the same size as Connecticut)
America needs to skip the step of High Speed Rail. go right for Urban LOOP and Hyperloop.
A nearly perfect vacuum hundreds of miles long? What could go wrong!
Combustion engine gaz-fueled multi-ton vehicules cruising at 75 MPH drived by short-attention span humans? What could go wrong!
Seskoi so your argument is that one bad idea should replace another??
Ron Maple Spoken like a true religious convert
You sir are an idiot lol
When there is a tear the air will just go out and the trains less fast, it doesn't mean a giant fireball will arise
i believe in this project. even many people criticize and don't find it practical. It has so many challenges but that is what it takes new technologies to improve. everyone can make something easy. the important thing is to solve difficult problems and become an advanced civilization. i can't understand why people are so overreacting such a revolutionary project.
if you don't find it legit then don't ride it when it is ready
I'm worried about the lack of space. If it breaks down, you can't get out and you're stuck.
VanillaBean I’d be worried about its use of vacuum. It takes a single hole, puncture, or bolt shift for air to start pouring in at an extreme speed. Without a vacuum, this hyperloop cannot function and will require a long time of not operating to locate the where the air is coming from and be expensive and difficult to repair.
People say that this isn't possible, landing a rocket didn't seem possible, and in 5 years Elon musk has accomplished that, this will happen
Elon Musk is the newest Tony Stark.
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Step 1: Hyper Loop
Step 2: Space Elevator
The only question we need ask ourselves is if it's physically possible. And I believe, as well as many others believe, that it is physically possible. That making hyperloop work is merely a matter of engineering.
If it's physically possible, all we have to do is dream it and work toward that dream, and someday it will be reality.
No. Govt will stop it from happening. And by govt i mean their campaign contributors who are the entrenched current businesses. SOCIALISM IS JUST THE BEST!
why shouldn't it be possible? they just tested it lol.
Hyperloop is an insane engineering problem.
Vibrations. The speed of the car goes so fast it may resonate the tube. Earthquakes could decimate the tube. Current engineering methods would be to utilize a mass damper system. Because this would have thousands of mass damper systems, this would be almost impossible to do the analysis on. We'll need to develop new forms of analysis for hyperloop for extremely high order differential equations.
Thermal expansion. The length of the tube will deviate a hundreds of meters at the proposed distance. Current engineering methods have mechanical "expansion joints" that physically slide in and out. For oil&gas they add uppercase omega looking "kinks" into the line. Neither of these engineering methods are practical for hyperloop.
Warping. The sun will heat up the top of the pipe, and the bottom will remain cold. This will cause the pipe to curve since the top expands. Current methods utilize expensive shiny reflective pipe that is relatively short distance. Long distance pipe is put underground to remove this problem. Neither of these two engineering solutions are suitable for hyperloop.
Risk of Decompression. If a hole in the pipe occurs, this could compromise the structural integrity of the whole pipe and cause it to collapse onto itself. Also the car could receive structural damage from running into air resistance going 1000km/h. Oil Pipelines are have extremely high "positive" pressure so they couldn't collapse onto themselves. Airplanes also have "positive" pressure. The only engineering method to deal with negative pressure would be to add structural supports. Adding structural supports is not possible with hyperloop, or the tube would be blocked.
Corrosion. Corrosion causes pipelines to leak all the time. Billions of dollars are investing into corrosion engineering to "mitigate" or "slow" corrosion. Corrosion is never 100% eliminated. The current method of hyperloop construction is to have concrete set onto the bottom of the tube. This would cause a lot of corrosion on the inside of the tube as the concrete sets. Currently there's no engineering method available to completely remove corrosion.
Keeping the tube straight - You literally need it go through mountains. You need the tube to be straight, otherwise riders would see large accelerations. Current methods with roads/railways involve just "curving" the road around the mountains. Going 80km/h is fine for these curves. Going 1000km/h is not.
The hyperloop as is, is not ready for the engineering demand. Still 50+ years away from getting what has been teased.
+godonlyknows13 You're asking the wrong question. Is it economically viable?...is the real question.
@@ericcartmann I don't understand why they don't just stick a bullet train inside a plexiglass loop to isolate it from the influences of the outside world (like wildlife and weather) and let it rip along at 300mph. This would be both cheaper and safer using the current level of technology that we have. they could just build it over the middle of the existing highway system. Even a 300mph maglev train would be an improvement for commuting between NY and DC or up the West Coast.
come true quickly please!!!
I dont get it. At 2:25 she said normal trains can go 600km per hour. But the Hyperloop in the video only went 320km per hour.....
Did this bro just invent the fucking subway?
THe most optimistic person.. who have potential to complete his dream for a wonderful world!! hats off.. ELON sir..! truly a epitome for everyone.
This is the best thing I've ever seen. I'm going to take a trip on this during my lifetime.
It's a great tech contest that will ultimately lead to no viable product. But if that's ok with investors, then fine... it'll be much like other DARPA challenge projects.
Reality of it is though, that if people really wanted a fast transportation method without many of Hyperloop barriers, lower infrastructure costs, and several advantages like being able to put multiple "cars" on regular intervals and make several stops along the way... MagLev trains already exist and are operational. There is no need to reinvent the wheel. It'll be theoretically slower, but MagLev trains already operate at speeds that border the limits of security and comfort, but that's the only real disadvantage. On the counterpart there are multiple advantages - proven technology, no need to build near vacuum tubes, can deal with "cars" of different shapes and sizes, can work with routes with multiple stop points, it has the way more familiar shape and usability similar to trains, etc etc.
The question then becomes, how valuable is the tech potentially being developed in these competitions are as a whole - not only potential development, but also for stuff like education, parallel applications, and whatnot. As far as I've seen, the leading companies (like Hyperloop One) are replicating MagLev technology basically. Their initial beta test of propulsion is something MagLev trains already did decades ago. Whatever is being produced for vacuum tubes does not translate well for the final product because the more area a tube has to implement near vacuum, the more complex it becomes.
Imagine someone putting his/her money on development of a flying car instead of just buying a regular car because he/she expects to be flying over traffic jams in a few decades. Is that sound reasoning? That's up for each one to decide.
It becomes a problem though when money put on this is public money, and it sacrifices current investment in much needed traditional infrastructure in favor of some far fetched utopic vision.
It's fine while the companies trying to develop it are all privately funded, and up until sometime ago that was the case. The initial prototype tests and some of the competition is all privately funded. Private money with interests in patents and other development, it's their own money to invest.
But recently, there have been a whole ton of talks about governments (India, UAE, Netherlands, Sweden) pitching to get a track. There's money being invested for the company to study feasibility of installing a non-existing track for a non-existing technology that might or might not happen in the future by governmental transportation agencies in some countries.
This is where things get sketchy. Some countries might agree to invest some money in something like these as they have spare money to waste, but I don't want my country and I don't think it's fair for the citizens of some countries to burn public money on this when they don't even invest enough to fix current infrastructure that is in dire need of repairs and rebuilding.
Wow have you seen what elon musk companies have achieved ? To say that this technology will not be viable is pretty stupid if u dont have any data supporting them.
Many people told the same about reusable rockets , electric card but see how much progress has been made now.
These type of competition inspire people to create better transportation tech so even if hyperloop doesnot succeed the tech will be used somewhere or new tech can be created by learning from this.
As far as govt money the govt spends the money in old transportation anyway so its good there is atleast some interest from govt to invest in new technology .
XSportSeeker. I got two words for ya " nothing ventured nothing gained." well, algebra was never my strong suit. This has to happen my friend. We cannot deny the future. Invention is a trial and error game, especially where untested waters are concerned. Please read the comments entirely before making assumptions. With all due respect.
The transportation industry is lacking seriously in the safety, speed, energy consumption departments just to name a few.
+XSportSeeker You make valid arguments. Unfortunately User, Gowtham, and Thommy are fan boys and have their noses so far up Musk's asshole that they can't be objective any more.
...do you know about the New Urbanist Movement??? ♥
@@gowthamv7856 And many are technologies for the few. There are 7.5 billion people in the world and the vast majority don't even have access to basic technology hundred years old like a car and basic roads, proper sanitation, healthcare. Even less have access to computers or internet. Most countries are limited to old and unsafe trains and ships. Only a fraction of humans have access to flight. The more you push boundaries the less will have access to it. These technologies are viable but just to connect a few megalopolis in very wealthy nations. The majority will be stuck with what they already have. Hyperloop is not something new. It has been studied and tested for decades and cost is always the biggest factor leaving it behind.
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 This is just a glorified train system
Hater
@@mikeletterst9882 🤦♂️ it's just a train that goes a bit faster
@@mikeletterst9882 Whiner
@@leatherneck7857 The Hyperloop would travel faster than most planes in the sky and could be safer than air travel, what is not to like?
remember one think
that guy can do anything
This would destroy every other countries train system
hype going round and round = Hyperloop.
They also say terrorism makes it too impractical because there can't be a single hole anywhere since it works like a vacuum, From what I've heard and read about
Hyperloop is possible. People think it was impossible to built a train and we have a train. People think it was impossible to built an interstate and we do have that. So time will tell.
He will make it a reality!
No he won’t
@@zachb1706 He will!
It is a stupid idea
@@keshav2136 it was an underground tunnel the mad lad.
Have a look for what Tunderfoot says about the Hyperloop on RUclips.
Hold on to your cash guys. Peace.
just build a subway
we should build 90 foot tall statues of Elon in every city! :)
If not people immediately, in the near future it can still speed up and revolutionise product and goods shipments and Logistics delivery.
imagine putting this much money and resources into sustainable living worldwide, wow:)
hell with the critics ! Elon Go Full On
Doesn't anyone have at least good argument against this? Our progress has just begun and we are nowhere near the limits of advancing technology. What would you rather do? Live with no progress and stay doing nothing or actually chase dreams and suprass the current limitations. Life is quite boring if you don't take any risks.
Too expensive, impractical, and too vulnerable.
It's not easy to be a crazy billionaire like Elon Musk. But Hyperloop could become a reality one day. Engineering and Technology is advanced enough. This is the time.
finally, replace public transport
lmao imagine accidentally catching the wrong hyperloop train, I could accidentally land in another country in 30 minutes
- the time to suck all the air out
- time to regas the vacuum
It would take days to create a partial vacuum of that size
Calgary to Fort Macmurray in Alberta would be a perfect installation of a below ground high-speed bi-directional Hyperloop with stops in Red Deer, Edmonton and possibly options for other regional stops along the way, side tracks will ensure that the flow of traffic is unencumbered with loading and unloading along with 2 parallel tracks to serve as an emergency escape in the event of a problem. I would hope considerations would also be made to transport vehicles safely on this loop as well as human cargo perhaps in various sized personal pods that operate without a schedule and are autonomous along with scheduled semi-autonomous person movers on fixed routes. Someday connecting Canada East to West and south to our brothers and sisters we are so fond of bringing people together efficiently and safely making the world just a little bit smaller.
i'm very skeptical of the validity of this project, we will have to wait and see.
Save the money, and spend it on developing room temperature superconductors. Then they'll have a chance.
They named their episode "billionair's pipe dream".... not biased at all. -.-
He's now working on a transporter like in Star Trek
" We're not saying it will work, we're just trying " - Elon Musk
He should have a employee in every country to handle the hyperloops travel
Wow. So hold on here: he's got the idea for the tube, but not the idea for the actual cars?
Come on hyperloop can't even take a turn...
Not new technology, but applying it to transport people is new, at least as far as acutally building it. Pneumatic tube systems have been used for decades, you've probably even used one without realizing it. Though not as common as it once was drive-in banking made use of pneumatic tube systems to move your check and deposit slip in to the teller and they sent your receipt and/or cash back out to you using one of these systems. Exact same principle just on a smaller scale.
Larger systems than those used at banks have been installed (I helped build and test some of them) with payloads of 20 pounds or more. There was a casino in Atlantic City (closed long ago) that used a pneumatic tube system to move money and chips around and it was fast and secure. Hospitals use them to speed off samples to their lab when a trauma case comes into the ER. Applying this to moving people requires another level of redundant control systems to accomodate the needs of the cargo; in this case living, breathing people; and get them from A to B safely.
So this is not a hoax or pipe dream, it WILL happen. Just needs to develop slowly and build up some operating expierence before it's deployed on a large scale. Then you have the other hurdle of resistance from the trucking industry and the railroads because this will put them out of business except trucks for last mile delivery.
Guess that's unbiased journalism for you
Asks viewer to think about the question - "But is hyperloop ready to usher in a new age of mass transit, or is it just a billionaire's pipedream?"
*Titles video "Billionaire's pipedream"*
As of 2020, "Billionaire's pipedream" is an unbiased way to describe Hyperloop. Nobody can yet tell whether is feasible to use it for human transport, as the technical issues and dangers surrounding it are all yet to be solved. Only after we can ensure to keep a vacuum inside a metallic infrastructure long several hundreds of km and exposed to thermal dilatation, we'll have a grasp on its feasibility.
It can be done!
Worshiped by nerds, defended by groupies, disgusted by losers, surrounded by rivals, despised by oil diggers, sold by the media, disproved by flat-earthers. That's a lot.
Mass Transit systems are like Trains and Subways have long platforms and a large number of doors that allow thousands of people to be loaded and unloaded in seconds. How is this possible if you need to seal an air lock and then evacuate/pressurize it at each station. Can you build an air lock that is as long as a train station platform?
The infrastructure at each station seems huge - airlocks, pumps - compared to a train station, which is just a platform and some bathrooms.
Traveling at that speed at ground level, means that the entire length of the track needs to be secured against sabotage and terrorism ( vs airlines, which only need to secure the airport). Also the security at the station needs to be comparable to that of an airport, since any explosion means certain death to everybody traveling on the train ( and potentially anybody in other trains in the tube because the tube will experience sudden pressurization )
Could somebody from the Hyperloop project answer, if possible. I'm wondering how this can be a practical mass transit system. It may be a successful prestige project in a few cities.
Hyperloop PODS hold a Dozen people or a little more. no Infill stations One Station at Either End.
A true express system with no stops in between. Direct LA to SF for example.
MUSK is also building the NON-pressurized LOOP transport , Chicago to Airport and Dodger Stadium - LA.
All Electric skates will transport 12 people or more at 200 Mph.
The 'Rocket' at 20mph :)
I'm worried about soundpollution Especially if it crosses oceans.
This man is a genius!
No he’s not
Tesla is king of maglev .
What's new about this? we've known about vacuum travel for years
It's known as the Vactrain
You know what, facetime, zoom and .. is much faster!
LOL, this video aged like milk.
Definitely won’t break sound barrier as the sonic boom would create a bucket load of issues including vibrations etc.
Too bad they didn't mention the two companies that are making headway on building hyperloops of their own design.
Have heard this sort of skepticism about Tesla and SpaceX. I think I trust the guy now though.
ruclips.net/video/vwLnyzyybYs/видео.html
You shouldn’t
If it could work, why would Elon step away from it?
He's smart. He knows it's not likely to work out anytime in our lifespan
Stan Ford. Cut it out you're killin' me. It's not his idea nor his invention he's merely trying to inspire us. This can work but at face value ,no. Oh, hell no. Way way, way too expensive per mile. But we're not interested in that right now. We need to know, is the concept doable? He's doing something... That's what matters. If it's a total failure then at least he tried. You have got to try. There's no forward momentum without that initial push. Lead follow or get outta the way. No disrespect. Let the man do his thing. There is a lot to learn from doing and succeeding also in failure. You CANNOT be afraid of failure. How many filaments did Edison try before using carbon ? Hundreds? Thousands?
Thommy Two Toes Times Three Thomas Edison promoted DC power for the grid. It didn't work. Sometimes ideas just don't work. It's clear that using current available materials, this cannot be done in the real world. That's why Elon isn't bothering using his time, energy and resources for it but he has handed it over to others. He knows it's currently pointless but rather than just give up, he has passed it to others. Some things really are actually a waste of time. Maybe this won't be, maybe it will. But what if he had spent that time working on flying vehicles which could be made using new glass electrolite lithium cells which do not deteriorate and can be recharged in less time than it takes for a passenger to alight and another to get in. Travel within cities could be much faster. Outside of cities it has potential to do well too.
Why focus on something which thunderf00t has thoroughly debunked? Seems a waste of time to me
Stan Ford. You could ver well be right. I do, however, believe he's on the right track. Please, if would be so kind, to read my seven or eight other posts in this section. It's something i find fascinating and it's been a dream of mine since the early eighties to develop something similar but not using vacuum. To me that's silly and wasteful. The only thing stopping me was cash. I was short about 9,999,000$.
Stan Ford. It'll work. Not in it's current state of design though. As long as the road surface or track are designed in unison. Where we've been missing the boat is in track construction. The road needs to be designed along the same parameters as the carriage which rides upon it. Everyone is perhaps misled by all the hype of 700 mph. Forget that nonsense. 150 to 170 is fast i don't care what anyone says. Work with doable numbers first then expand on that is what I say. The problem encountered with the higher speeds is when things go wrong they go horribly wrong
Whats wrong with 100 or 200 mph? With 99.99% percent safety factor i'll take it. The world needs this to happen. I seriously doubt this hyper loop is the answer though,but the knowledge gained through trial and error should prove well worth the effort provided the money comes from donors outside the taxpayer domain. When a workable model is found I'm certain the public would support it. Before a system can be developed it first needs to be visualized. After that...how practical is it? E.g. does it require compounds or materials that haven't been developed or discovered yet?
Stan Ford. It's simply a cool concept. Whether you like the guy ( musk) or hate him you still get to use his hard won victories. That's what I like. The main problem i see is in cornering or any slight variations in altitude. Going over a bump or slight grade at high speed is bone shaking to say the least. Perfectly aligned straightaways are an absolute must at high speed. Aircraft enjoy few turns, and fewer bumps.Any movement sideways or up/down need gradual degrees of change at the higher speeds.
And why do you think we Americans keep hearing booms around the clock all the time
The levitation system is easier to build than the german system.
The music sounds doomsday anyone else agree?
If it's unsafe for humans then it could be used to tranport goods instead.
Future generation vehicle
Loving that the guys from TUM Germany managed to live up to the status quo of German engineering!
I love the zip ties 3:31
I got a man crush on Elon
We are all going to die because of this man.
If only he invested in building real trains...
Elon Musk, implement face recognition camera security to your hyperloop .
An air tight, miles long pipe.