How the Separatists DOMINATED the Early CLONE WARS! | Battle Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- On today's Star Wars Battle Breakdown, we take a look at how the Separatists dominated the early years of the Clone Wars, and also what change between the Republic and the CIS... all that and more on today's Battle Breakdown!
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I’m so glad to see more of these. Getting a lot of nostalgia from when you did these back in 2018
Its nice to hear the newest member of the channel Eck
where do you get the ship icons
1:41 2:21-2:26 the child strikes back
Another way to answer why Seperatist align with the Rebels: The Empire is everything the Seps hated about the Republic to the extreme whithout the good parts
Exactly!!!
Indeed.
Yep, it even has the same corrupt leader and senate.
@@bolzdk9032 I wonder if it is a coincidence that everything started going wrong for the Empire when the senate was dissolved.
So in the end, the separatists were right
“Sorry for the baby noises”
As Obi-Wan Kenobi put it best: “What?”
He has a baby in the background which occasionally makes a noise you can hear. A future youngling.
I thought I was losing my mind 'till he said that
@@123455thatguy i think the "what?" Daniel is saying that we don't mind the noises. Like what do you mean it's adorable.
@@justinthompson6364 same
He has his own baby yoda.
The baby is already beginning to make very sound tactical assessments. Impressive
We will watch your career with great interest
Most impressive. But he is not a jedi yet.
@@hidude9919 she*
The baby noise is cool. Don't apologize about it. Respect
Agreed!
Agreed. We just need to learn how to speak Mini-Eck.. and we'll be golden. :)
You beat me to it. Best part of the video.
She's so cute!
Each to their own. I think back ground noise is a real pain in the arse. Not hard to put your brat in the other room. Otherwise it's a great vid
"Sorry for the Baby noises"? No, I'm very interested in their point of view, I will not let opinions be silenced this easily.
Seconded!
Thirded!
Fourthded!
Fifthed!
Sithed!
Damn Sheev really had Palpatine on his toes in the beginning of the clone wars. Good thing Palpatine brought it back and gave Sheev a good hiding by the end of them.
This comment is underrated.
Would have been better if you replace palpatine with sidious since he didn't hide his identity with the separitists
*Fool*
@@shadowdevil126 no he did. The separatists knew him as Sidious not as Palpatine
@@jacobparslow8723 yeah but palpatine was just a front to the republic so he could take control so while he didnt tell the CIS military council that he was chancellor palpatine he didnt hide his true identity as sidious with them like he did with the republic
Obi Wan: Flying is for droids.
Droid Starship: *laughs in droid*
Baby Eck can confirm this. babbles with agreement.
"Sorry for the baby noises" is probably one of the most wholesome things I've heard Eck say
The mere fact is that the Confederacy of Independent Systems droid army is ridiculous large, and logically speaking the Republic couldn’t defend itself with the pitiful Clone Army size. The CIS by all rights should have won the war in the matter of months if not weeks, if it wasn’t manipulated by Palpatine in the shadows. Also there is no problems with the Baby, as a parent takes priority to the channel so take care.
Size doesn't matter when the soldiers are braindead and the commanders aren't real great.
@@LordTalax even if a clone could kill 1000 droids before falling in battle (1000:1 ratio)
The cis could produce potentially millions of droids in the time it took to grow and train new clones
Braindead or not it's hard to fight a swarm of fire
@@papapalps2415 that never happened (cis massively overrunning the gar) because palpatine manipulated the war essentially making the cis go easy mode even in the early days of the clone wars. The cis had many fleets and armies that did nothing cause palpatine made them hold back from attacking or defending. If the cis truly wanted to win and without outside influence the war should of ended on geonosis.
@@LordTalax a clone takes years to produce, house, and feed. A droid gets made in minutes. A clone typically killed 10 droids before dying. A horrible trade if you are the republic. Even then the worse of the droids (b1s) are not brain dead, they walk, shoot and they get the job done in numbers.
@@LordTalax Also the republic had horrible commanders since they were lead by Jedi who never really commanded an army or studied strategy. The republic shined in it's NCO core that's something the cis did not have.
Moral of the story: having ships run with connected AI is REALLY EFFECTIVE
Good communication and coordination is always something crucial, not necessarily done only by Ai, not necessarily only at the tactical level
@@michaelandreipalon359 All fun and games slicing into a core ship, before you realize the AI you're trying to slice is partly sentient, recognizes you as a priority threat, and atomized you on the spot after quarantining any injection/systems you've messed with
I think the seperatist navy was far superior than the republic's navy in regards to diversity of ships. Although this is hindered by droid operators in ships without human officers such as in munificent frigates and inferior fighters
Also the separatist had way more ships than the republic.
Diversity of equipment isn't necessarily a good thing. Particularly in large scale conflicts. As often these things would then have different logistical needs and couldn't be easily be supplied, particularly if put under stress. If all the weapons systems are easily interchangeable, that diversity won't be a problem... BUT if not, and the Separatists then send supplies that would work for one ship to a different one... there the diversity in their ships creates a problem rather than an advantage.
It's more that the sepies used their ships correctly. The Republic didn't. For example the Venetor: it was a fantastic carrier but was in no way fit to be a ship of the line slugging it out with other capital ships like the Victory and Imp 1 and 2 class were. But the Republic decided to force the ship into that role and they paid for it over and over again.
On the other hand you don't see the separatists using.. say a lukerhulk for the ship of the line role for the reason the Venetor sucked at it. They used frigates and other ships designed to dish out and take a beating.
The Separatists also had an absolutely ridiculous numbers advantage. It's a miracle that the Republic was in a one sided conflict due to the CIS being controlled by Palpatine. It would have looked like Denmark in WW2 if the clone wars wasn't controlled by the sith (Maybe just "Droid Wars" because the clones wouldn't have been created anyway.
You know one 'solution' to fleet actions without a organic operator could be the use of clone brains on each ship preprogrammed with the best tactics possible with adaptive thinking to face the enemy. If not clone brains use advanced isolated droid brains with say a famous separatist admiral as reference.
he could be talking about a tragedy like Darth Plageius the wise but Eck's child makes the video wholesome.
Without Palpatine and Dooku’s manipulation the CIS could have steamrolled the Republic in weeks.
Without Dooku and Palpatine manipulating everything behind the scenes would the Republic and CIS even gone to war.
@@captaincoolbreeze9429 good point. probably not, atleast not an all out "real" war...
the CIS still would have formed and detached itself from the republic, which would have made the republic salty, but what they're gonna do without an standing(and big enough) army and navy.
either way, the trade federation and other seperatist members (and the whole galaxy) would have been better off without papa palps, war or not.
Without Dooku, there would not be a general grievous to successfully lead the separatist army. Without Dooku, there would be no creation of the clone army 10 years before the clone wars. Without Palpatine, Dooku would not have been trained in the dark side.
Do you know how large the republic was? Youre talking about hundreds of thousands of systems and planets, all with various defense plus the in quality superior clone army and the whole jedi order. No force couldve "steamrolled" the republic.
@@abraham2172 I think you underestimate the size and strength of the CIS military. They were shown to be able to wage war on thousands of planets and systems simultaneously.
Seperatist navy was more versatile and had more variety which allowed it to outclass the the Republic Navy, which only fielded Venators, Acclamators, Arquitens and Counselor class cruisers were the main ships in the Republic navy while the Seperatists had multiple different types of frigates, light cruisers, carriers, dreadnaughts and Capital Ships, they outnumbered the Clone Army 20 to 1 at the beginnning of the war, that’s why at the beginning of the war, when they weren’t being held back by Palpatine were able to easily take all the Outer Rim and most of the Mid Rim.
You forgot the medical frigates (same type as Phoenix home from rebels)
Yep
The CIS had ships for certain uses and although they didn’t have hangars (The Munificent) but made up for that by allowing fights and bombers to stick to ships through hyperspace
@@erikjan15585 and Victory Star Destroyers and Dreadnaught Heavy Cruisers
Eck, if you could create your own Star Wars era, what would it be? What would it look like?
Sounds like a very cool video idea.
id like to see this as a video
#askeck
yeah! #askeck
@@michaelandreipalon359 I would make something called “The United Republic” era
No worries about the baby noises man. You are a real person it's why we like you. Not just a voice behind a screen. Thank you for the amazing nerdy distraction that is you and our shared love of star wars. Keep it up and May the force be with you.
It's been a long time since I've seen these kinds of videos, I really missed them!
How do you think Grand Admiral Thrawn would do in the place of Commander Shepard in directing the war against the Reapers in the Mass Effect Universe?
Shepard was never an admiral but I can see Thrawn in place of Hackett
He’d keep Joker closest to him
Thrawn would have ultimately failed, in my opinion. While a brilliant tactician who inspired those who followed him, he didn’t necessarily sway his opposition into joining him like Shep did. Shep uniting the galaxy was the reason they won, not his tactical prowess.
TL;DR: Thrawn can’t unite the galaxy, Shep can.
@@treycarter6736 Shepard was a hero, Thrawn was a leader
@@Le_R73, of forces that were already loyal to the Empire. Yeah, he united some warring Imperial factions but he didn’t bring Rebels to his cause. He didn’t bring the Ssi-Ruvi(sorry if I misspelled that) to his cause.
As I said, I just don’t see Thrawn uniting the galaxy against the reapers.
Adding to the question about Separatists joining the Rebels, it's also possible that some Separatists would assume they'd overthrow the Empire and be able to negotiate their own sovereignty, or, failing that, have a strong impact in shaping the New Republic. They'd basically have a clean hand and, even if they had been defeated in their own war, their former enemies would've been similarly gutted.
Thank you for posting this. It's really interesting and helps alot as I was looking to make a Star wars clone wars fan animated series and having all the information on your channels is so useful. Will definitely credit you when I finish making it.
@@michaelandreipalon359 CGI
How to dominate a galactic war:
Step 1: pick a fight with a galactic power who only have a handful of space-to-ground landers, out of date starfighters, and pacifists for generals.
Me: “…you must have had *such* a hard time convincing your senate not to surrender, what with your super battleships that doubled as supercarriers in the tens of thousands and an infinite crewer supply with no training time.”
The Republic: how can we be losing against Machines?
Terminator’s Human Resistance: “First time?”
@@michaelandreipalon359 Elon Musk: Ha, Ha. I’m in danger
As time goes on, I feel like the Republic is being portrayed as more and more incompetent than it already was
I feel like it has been too exagerated sometimes, cause the Republic had plenty of competent officers and leaders
No apologies needed for baby noises. You're a working dad.
Come for Star Wars tactics, stay for cute baby Eck noises.
That was the cutest battle breakdown I've ever heard.
Companies when they change their Facebook icon to include the Pride flag:
Genius CIS tactics
I came to make this joke :P
Been a while since the last battle breakdown, love this series
What baby noises? I thought it was the sound of the Republic trying to grasp the CIS tactics. 😛
According to my sources, By the end of the Clone Wars, there were *Quintillions* of active droids, and that the entire droid forces were said to outnumber the Clone armies 100 to 1.
Add this to the fact that they were built to literally overwhelm enemies. Then add that there were droid factories all over the galaxy, and if you destroyed one, two would pick up the pace, basically, if needed! Then add Admiral Trench, Grevious, etc and it’s such a beautiful masterpiece! Too bad they were all pawns.
LOL. I was watching this my baby monitor on and I thought it was my son. I almost left to check on him when you mentioned it.
Some great insight from miniEck
Hoping for more of his perspectives in future.
Well it's like the Soviet Union during WW2 they have a MASSIVE numerical advantage with logic like "if we keep throwing troops at them they'll eventually run out of bullets"
I don’t mind the baby noises :)
"BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" - a true SW fan.
Love baby Eck's thoughts and opinions. You should bring them in more videos.
Been waiting for a battle breakdown for so long. Thx Eck!
Great video. Also, I appreciate that this thumbnail finally is less clickbait-y than the usual
lol I always find it funny when my brain swaps out what 'CIS' means
I’ve been reading the Expanded Universe over the past year and I’m repeatedly frustrated by the fact the the New Republic keeps demilitarizing, they get attacked and go to war, don’t have enough ships and struggle, then they finally build enough ships, win, and demilitarize again. It seems the Old Republic had a similar problem.
There were however a few hundert years of peace between each sith invasion and the republic thought they finally killed all the sith every time.
The very dark history of the beginning of the clone wars - *baby noises*
Legend of galact heroes battle of vermillion breakdown
I would love this, but covering LOGH is a daunting task.
When you have a droid ar!y it frankly doesn't take 'genus' tactics.
Great video Eck!!!! Thanks for doing a battle breakdown!!!! Its so great to see your traditional content!!!!
The best fathers always teach their 👶 about Star Wars. Well done my friend well done.
Love the clone wars content!
When the Kaminoans said “2 Million Units”, I just assumed a Unit was just a different term for Battalion. Like in Epsidoe 2, when the Clones are in groups and going on ships, I thought 1 of those groups was equivalent to 1 “unit”
HELL YEA A NEW BATTLE BREAKDOWN!!
Bro I was smiling at the baby noises the whole time as soon as I realised they were coming from my headphones and not a phantom infant.
We’re cool, I’m happy you have successfully reproduced and are properly teaching the young one about fleet tactics at a young age. Grand Admiral Thrawn approves.
How’s art class going?
Does the existence of The Phantom Infant also imply the existence of Attack of the Infant, Revenge of the Infant, A New Infant, The Infant Strikes Back and Return of the Infant?
FYI the baby noises made the video better. Keep up the great work!
I love shatterpoint. It was the second legends book I ever read and a very good read if you ask me.
“The republic wasn’t ready for war” “gogo gaga”
Yeah that’s what I’m saying.
Yay first here. I've been trying for weeks but the notifications are always late
You fool!
You are actually forth!
Shouldn't of typed that out fast and have to spend minutes fixing it all lol
I would love to see more of these breakdowns base around Separatist Strategies and how they could have countered Republic Tactics and such, and what scenarios that could turn the tide of the Separatist and such.
Last time I arrived this early, the Celestials were still shaping the galaxy.
Your baby had some good points on the CIS tactics!
#askeck While it’s established in both Legends and Canon that shields in Star Wars can block physical projectiles (and it’s come in hand in Starship Vs), how much sense does it actually make in universe, where we rarely see projectiles used in space?
Asteroids are a big problem, and Proton Torpedoes are bread and butter of taking down a sizeable ship with only starfighters. Also in many RTS games with space battles you can see concussion missiles being used heavily. Some ships even specialized in using concussion missiles, or just had lots of them in storage, like the Victory line
Basically it's just the movies tend to make it flashy, because it's cool.
They are used very often with ships like the Victory Star Destroyers and Broadside cruisers
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 Before you reply, check if someone said it before you. :3
Eckharts Ladder's intro combined with Installation 00's outro sounds good :P
thats gideon protocol.. or in sun tzu terms, always appear strong when you are weak.. the army wants you to think its bigger than it is.
Woo! Battle breakdown!
#AskEck In combat, just how effective were the Seperatist fleets when compared to Republic fleets? Especially their ships, like the Munifiscent or Providence?
Depends if you consider Legends or Canon. And even than the strenght of ships varies especially in Legends.
@@papapalps2415 But the Recusant Dreadnought could hold out
Baby Eck’s commentary was top notch
Baby Ecks contributions may have been a surprise, bit a welcome one to be sure 😊
The baby sounds are fine, but I forgot about them at first and was extremely creeped out whilst sitting in my dark room in the middle of the night.
Awesome video buddy
If you looked at the battles in the first few seasons of the Clone Wars, it would be clear who had the advantage. It was mostly Republic worlds being invaded by CIS forces while small Republic raids were done to hinder the advance of droid armies and fleets. Of course from Season 4 and onwards we then saw the Republic mostly on the offensive. It’s always going to be funny to me how the first battle of the war started as a Republic attack on a Separatist world, ended as a Republic victory, and yet almost right away afterwards it was the Republic on the backfoot and fighting for its survival. It was probably only by the Outer Rim Sieges that the CIS really started to sweat and wonder if they were going to lose the war. Meanwhile the Republic right away thought that the CIS would blow right past them. And to be fair, just look at Raxus in the Bad Batch and Coruscant in Revenge of the Sith. Both are capitals in the center of their territory and yet Raxus survived without becoming a war zone while Coruscant got wrecked. I wonder if there was ever any resentment among the Imperials of how the Core Worlds were struck by the Separatists while their counterparts surrendered after the deactivation of the droid army, sparing themselves from horrible battles. Though the Imperials would ensure the CIS got a taste of their own medicine as well as far more than they really deserved.
new battle breakdown let's go
Better a baby noise background THAN A DOG BARKING IN THE BACKGROUND.
don’t apologise for the baby noises they are really cute!
So how cool is it to get help with your videos ? Because I think its very very cool. May The Force Be With Both Of You.
The baby noises are cute! As one dad to another, much respect my man! Being a good dad!
For a moment I thought the text just said OW when the GR transport smashed into the Devastator.
You think dooku would've realized he could've won the war at almost any moment and just go for it. He was planning to betray palpatine at some point anyways.
I'm so early the Empire still uses clones in the army
I love the CIS ground and navy. So diverse.
Awk the wee baby in the background is so cute. I hope if I'm a dad I'm just as good as you.
I think it would be cool to see more old separatist hardware in use by the rebellion. Just like the occasional E5 blaster or some STAP speeders would be neat.
A new baby for The Jedi to take to train.
Baby eck! ❤
Awwwwww love the baby noises along with the starwars!
This is why Legends is AWESOME
A bloody war but not a single drop of blood was spilled
"Bwe bah bweeeaahhh"
Absolutely agree, kids get smart real fast now a days
Hearing baby noises and glancing at my own baby monitor 🤣 ya dun got me man, it's like police sirens in songs when driving
I love the Baby noices.
Don't apologize for being a dad bro, I have 3 of them and I respect you for doing these videos while still being with your kid
Congrats on your fatherhood. Hearing those first babbling and squeaks are really worth it.
To the Separatists, the Empire was a continuation of the Republic they were opposed to and fighting against. It’s run by the same guy, the soldiers look the same, etc… they wouldn’t have been so opposed to forming a new republic for those reasons.
EckhartsLadder could you make a video talking about why Disney should make a Short/few more episode of The Clone Wars explaining and showing how the Separatists arrived at Coruscant?
Love the vids baby noises and all
Very interesting, I really like the CIS
The baby noises were the best part lol. Absolutely adorable
Shatterpoint was a great book
As a dad of a 1 year old I completely understand, keep up the good work
Having a Lucrehulk battleship orbiting your planet is more intimidating than a Star Destroyer.
Finally, a pro separatist video, even with cute baby sounds.
Babies are for the CIS! :D
if you play vanilla Empire at War: Forces of Corruption full scale galactic conquest as the Empire you basically get the position Republic was in at the early Clone Wars- you get to defend a bunch of core worlds that can be approached from pretty much everywhere and if your defenses are broken after you focus only on surface-level defenses- it can get very messy.
In game it's best to gather a smol fleet (2 broadside cruisers, 2 tartan cruisers and ~3 acclamaitors) and quickly go on offensive against one of the enemy factions, take care of half of their worlds so that one side of the galaxy stops being a problem.
Don't apologize for that baby! I giggled every time! My baby will be 16 next month and I miss those happy baby sounds and one day so will you.