Being someone who has been active online since the late 90's, I can tell you this. The platforms you speak of have always existed. The problems for such video platforms are as follows. Cost: Owning a site involves paying various bills and taxes. To be free to use would mean footing a hefty bill. Popularity: Modern sites need to at least be well known and have a growing user base. Likewise, such a site would need to have a good reputation. Without a good reputation, the site will become another Rumbl. Investment: While economics is a part of this, so to is engagement. If people aren't willing to pay a little, provide content, or simply interact with the site, it is as dead as Putfile. Legality: The last is the matter of if people are using it without breaking laws. I'm not talking about fighting words. I'm talking about such things like copyright infringement, snuff films, and child exploitation. These are things that one would need to keep an eye on to maintain such a site. While I can list several other things that I see kill past video hosting sites, these are what needs to go into getting a site to operate proper.
So many people willing to pay for streaming services like Netflix and no one bats an eye... a few years ago I was about to pay for premium RUclips so there are no ads but then after all the demonetization and censorship I've been hoping there was somewhere else to go.
Eh, depends on what kind of content is up your alley. I like to watch some good, educating video (that took time to research and put together) once in a while. But somehow it often turns out that lefty video essayists, who make meticulously edited videos with high production value, are actually really unpleasant and sanctimonious people who feel like they're better than everyone else, especially behind the scenes.
Before I used RUclips, I was obsessed with finding documentaries on Google Video. They were long form and good quality - there were entire websites listing what was available. RUclips took over... but the algorithm and search is useless.
Yea modern life is a struggle between breaking down institutionalized gatekeeping VS enjoying curated content. That's what this video reminds me of. To some degree, I do kinda think we can't have both. Like we can't have "a cool platform". If anything, that's what Nebula is trying to do with their vision of 'cool'. At the end of the day, it's going to either be open to everyone, even Mr Beast, or curated by tastemakers/controllers of the platform. I agree with the desire, sentiment, and points, but I'm not sure there's actually, physically, a solution outside of culture on this problem. Like tech, platforms, UX, etc can only go so far. Mr beast content is lame for the average 'cultured RUclips enjoyer' who remembers the web 2.0 but can we REALLY say his content is functionally different than anyone else's who we'd actually want to watch??? Outside of simple taste, I can't find a way to say so, with specific, "non-vibe based" language. (Ie, "it's gross", etc) It's not really a matter of quality, money can always purchase quality. It's not a matter of research, b/c lots of content isn't based on 'doing good research' and if you want that... Nebula. Personality is so subjective as to be useless outside of tastemaking cultural solutions, as described above. In a lot of ways, we're stuck in this neolib "reputation and Algorithm" based purgatory until we come up with some kind of truly revolutionary way to sort information, people, content, ideas. THIS is where innovation actually lives and is rewarded, this mindspace. Tech and biz innovation is a perversion of this kind of collective, consensus-based thought-cloud'ing that humans have been doing for centuries.
Agree with all this, but as a small addition: I do believe if we move from neolib algorithms (that focus on making money for youtube), to human curation, we might get rid of a surprising amount of mr beast type material. When you take the money out of it, things do become more.. tasteful. But that's just my hopeful, maybe a bit naive, expectation
> 1:34 RUclips's algorithm is designed for one thing only, and that's quantity Actually, RUclips optimizes for viewer satisfaction as well as watch time. They know that if they don't serve up quality stuff, they will lose in the long term. If you're unhappy with your recommendations, you should click "not interested" and also delete videos you found to be low quality from your watch history. Also, not to shill too hard for Nebula but we do sort of a middleground between netflix and youtube regarding recommendations. At the top of the homepage, you are presented with a pretty large banner rail consisting exclusively of higher budget content co-produced by the Nebula and the creators themselves. When you scroll down, yes you do see similar rails, but they're organized by topic so you can find what you want, kind of like netflix. Lower quality stuff like stream vods are not shown on the home page. Yes, you have to pay for access, but I find it strange you counted this against Nebula but didn't bring it up when talking about Netflix, a platform which costs more than 3x as much. If you want the netflix of youtube it's odd to expect it to be free.
I'd say the issue is the "watch time" aspect. Maybe it should play a role in how it serves content, but with how much RUclips forces watch time as the top priority, it has degraded the entire platform, where quantity is the quality.
Do you happen to know if Nebula has any plans to eventually try and branch out into providing free viewership to an extent? I get that it's basically impossible to compete with the amorphous blob of lard that is RUclips, but I imagine that more traffic and accessibility - even if it's just X hours per week access - could provide people with more incentive to then make the jump to subscription.
The volume some of these streamers produce in one day, the amount of reactions they upload per day bars your satisfaction. Hopefully it does work in the long run but from my personal experience is that volume and quantity are king.
My biggest gripe with youtube is how it just recommends anything related to whatever content you've watched in the last 48 hours. (Especially on the TV app) It's all just crappier versions of a video I probably watched and enjoyed in its entirety the day before. Additionally, I hardly ever get anything on the home page related to the creators I'm actually subscribed to unless the video is already tracking high in views. I didn't know this video was out until I saw the community post while checking youtube on my mobile.
I don't think making a platform would solve that issue. Cause the concept of click bait as it were existed in a sense even before youtube or even the internet even existed. Think of video stores, CD stores, or book stores. You'd go to whatever section you were interested in. Maybe the new release section, bargain bin, whatever. You're browsing, and the ones you pick up to look at are the ones that look the most interesting. The heavy metal album with the gruesome art, the fantasy book with a half naked chick on the cover, the action movie with a big muscular dude holding a gigantic gun. Sure you can read the back, but that's not an indicator that'll be good or you'll like it. You could make a new platform, but what's to stop the users of that platform just turning it into youtube 2.0. Make a rule saying there's no click bait thumbnails? It's arbitrary, and would be impossible to enforce on a large scale. Let alone easy to abuse. Only allow good content on the platform? Again that's subjective. As two people could look at the same art film. With person A declaring in a masterpiece. While person B says its pretentious shit. It's impossible to enforce a concept to that degree on an open platform. Videos with low ratings get deleted? What would stop people from mass flagging or botting the video down then. Let alone if monetization gets involved.
I think you want a Newgrounds in which people can post any kinds of videos and not only animations (I know you can post other things but you know what I mean)
Ah here's the comment I was looking for. It's time for Newgrounds to make a comeback. Artists certainly like it most as far as atmosphere is concerned. It's purely meritocratic in content promotion. I have my niggling complaints about the UI but it's actually fucking SUSTAINABLE. Newgrounds has survived every crash for a reason. It is lean and efficient as a result and Tom is still a free speech adherent.
I just ended up on Newgrounds the other day and was pleasantly surprised how the dream of the 2000's internet was still alive there. It's on my favorites bar now!
I think best solution would be instead of creating new video platforms, but would be better to build community to support and promote the good content creators.
Funnily enough recently I've been getting a lot of recommended videos of short videos that average between less than a minute to 3 being 8 years old and older that I've never seen before and have seen a long time ago. No clickbaits, no sponsorships, no clout chasing. How I miss the old youtube.
This is extremely idealistic. The vast majority of people have no problem consuming slop all day on RUclips/Twitch. That's why this stuff is so popular, and their creators get so successful in the first place. You can't compete with something like RUclips by simply offering less, but more curated content. This has been seen many times over the years with stuff like ThatGuyWithTheGlasses, NormalBoots, and Storyfire. Either way, they all come back to RUclips because people aren't going to go to another website to see something they can already see on another website. The only way to feasibly compete with RUclips is to do/allow things that aren't possible on RUclips. And as you so eloquently put it ( 3:18 ) that won't be possible because people like you will just claim it's "for WW2 baddies" the second anybody posts anything objectionable without being censored, because in the last 10-15 years we've forgotten how to coexist/confront people on platforms, and instead just end up creating echo chambers.
Hell, I didn't even get into the issues of cost of running such a site, especially when your idea is to have a site exclusively host less financially viable content than the slop that gets posted to RUclips every day.
The "WW3 baddies" will, one day, be outed as those who controlled the weaponized censorship apparatus. Make no mistake, this idocracy is a war on the minds and the prevailing culture is the prize sought after. This war is fought with algorithms and art, not bombs and guns, but it is already claiming many more lives than any wars of the past.
Honestly I think this problem could be solved by a website that acts like a frontend to youtube, but where the content shown isn't decided by the youtube algorithm, but by human curation. The only viable way I can see for content curation is not in the netflix/disney+ etc style of a boardroom of bigwigs making all the decisions but rather a more reddit-style approach of letting the community decide what's good, while also splitting things up by genre. Having it work like subreddits could be an option, but the better choice I think would be to simply use the tags and categorization provided by the videos themselves. With that the user can filter by including or excluding specific tags and categories. Beyond that videos that lack tags or are incorrectly tagged/categories could be corrected on the site itself by users. Handling these corrections would require human input from an administrator to avoid trolling (like what sometimes happens with steam tags). Combine all this with a more netflix-esque UI and I think you'd have what you want. Now for someone to actually make it happen and somehow get users to it while also paying for server costs.
Honestly I really do want a platform that feels like the golden age of RUclips but there really isn’t any alternative platforms that succeed in get large amount of people interested in their platforms.🐱
The only solution I see without creating expensive infrastructure is video aggregators, it's somewhat similar to p2p, that is, video creators will have to take care of content storage, for example, use hosting or place file servers at home and using the API you just provide them with the video, This model entails many disadvantages, which the creaters will have to put up with, but at the same time nothing prevents the creation of at least 100 such aggregators, which gives rise to healthy competition, Partnership would fit well into this model companies producing NAS and hosting providers
A big problem with free/ad-driven platforms is the content that makes the most moolah is the ones that make clickbaity titles, clickbaity thumbnails, rushed content and pad the videos as much as possible while retaining viewers. Even on free streaming platforms, popular creators make clickbaity titles and advertise their big personality in the thumbnail. A new curated platform will be hard to get up and running. The best bet for it is a private investor/group signing great creators and paying them out of their own pocket, kinda like Nebula, but that's going to be a terrible business model. If these same creators can double dip, or people repost their content elsewhere, people will just stick to RUclips. And who's to say that your curated and advertised content is going to be any better than Google's recommendations? Sifting the objectively bad content is one thing, but there are a lot of dedicated creators that I don't enjoy watching. I quite enjoy my recs, but I am also pretty adamant about not littering my personal account with random videos from chat rooms and guest users.
This extends all "Social Media". It's been tried so many times. Say, the last social media site that took off (that wasn't planted by China) was Discord and it was able to achieve that by combining the traits of dying platforms like Teamspeak and Skype along with even better features. You'd need to have competition like that but for immensely powerful sites like RUclips, therefore it wouldn't be possible
The Discord story is exactly what comes to mind. when I talk about competition in the video hosting market, I still remember how terrible Skype was and how inconvenient it was to use the teamspeak, especially if you have NAT Closed and don’t want to use hosting services...
Who is qualified to state which continent is suitable for such a platform? Who is willing to get keep for this platform and do it for free? There is a reason why platforms that do this charge money in for you to get access. When you allow unpaid people to rate videos you would find the end result is essentially what RUclips is right now, or worse what Tik-Tok is. This is actually a very bad ill thought-out thought-out take, i know understand why people watch Hasan. Also Glink shouts out EmpLemon, s guy who started out making short RUclips poops, the rxact kind of content Glink would delete of his hypothetical platform.
What if like old yt, there was a rating system that pushed the highest rated to the front/spotlight? Like likes or in old yt five star rating system. If they broke it up into genres that could optionally be classified when posting a video, and push the highest rated videos to the front, like Netflix’s spotlight ,but you can scroll to the side and see more high rated videos of that genre. (Ik he said the Netflix spotlight type thing in the vid) Anyways, just leave it to 4-chan
I don't doubt for a second that a curated selection of videos, short films, documentaries or passionate works of art would be better than what we have right now. I simply don't see a system that would satisfy most people because who would be allowed into this walled garden of content? Will small creators even have a chance at making in or do you need a long track record of content to earn your way in? Will monitization be handled through ads or subs? As of right now I'm not very confident in this project actually working. Realistically the best way to experience these high quality videos is to seak them out yourself by joining communities that have done the hard work already in finding high quality feature length RUclips videos.
RUclips is for children. You are an adult. That is why the content on youtube seems to suck for you. Because people your age are usually employed, have a wife, and are starting a family via sex (for the creation of children). That is why you hate this platform, because it is geared towards children and you are not a child although you are still searching for content to consume and toys to play with like a little child. Try getting a job or making content for children to make money in order to have enough clout/respect to get a girlfriend, then use that money from the children you are entertaining to do adult things, like raising a family, buying a house, engaging in adult hobbies like woodworking or building a real company. This youtube stuff for people over the age of 20 should only be for the purposes of taking money from children to get rich and start a real business producing real value for real adults. If you can put aside your ego for a little bit and approach my comment with an open and humble mind, you may find yourself slightly enlightened. Good luck!
We definitely need a new platform, I get there are some setbacks to finding it but why is it hard for Rumble to get a bit more views, it's easy, I mean come on
It's hard for rumble to catch on because of the image problem. The majority of people that use rumble consistently and posts on rubble consistently Make almost exclusively far right to full on neo-Nazi level content lol. Trying to explain to someone what a rumble account is and then explaining the videos that pop up on their homepage I don't think it's a very easy conversation
@@the7569I’d also add on that most people don’t feel like switching. The problem is that creators aren’t bigger than the platform, so if someone watches RUclips everyday, they will just keep doing that. It’s like when Microsoft created Mixer and gave an exclusivity deal with Ninja. People didn’t move to mixer, they just started watching xQc instead.
I think it’s just bc there’s not rlly that much new, rumble and yt aren’t different in, pretty much anyway, except rumble isn’t rlly restrictive. Which makes it worse bc almost everyone on there are yt rejects bc they broke tos. So it’s pretty much hate speech.
Another thing I notices in the past 2 years on RUclips the sub count to video view count is way off then ever before. like this video for example barely has 10k views compared to Glink having 400k subs.
It's wild to me that One last Caress and Blitzkrieg bop have the same motif and if Static Age would've released when it was supposed to, we'd be in a much different world.
An answer to a youtube alternative I've been kicking around in my head for a bit is self hosting a website and linking to other websites with similar videos, or websites you personally like. Eventually, if enough people were to use this method, the mesh of websites liked together by other websites would be fairly large. It may also help with the quality control, as people linking websites to their own could work as a sort of peer review process. Essentially, bring back webrings I guess. Cost would be a big factor here obviously, not everyone can afford to self host a website with videos...
I think a curated, alternative homepage to RUclips wouldn't be a bad idea. still using RUclips's resources but leading others to the more quality videos already on here. The hardest part would be getting people to adopt it, but you'd have that problem even if you wrote the site from scratch
I actually really like the idea of RUclips having a feature where you can view a catalog by genre. I don't know if you remember this, but there used to be a feature where you could break your subscription feed into groups of your choosing. I really enjoyed that and I don't know why RUclips got rid of this.
i think i know what you mean? i sorta do something similar were i just use this 2nd channel to have a handful of content creators im subbed to separate from my 1st channel's subs
@@emmadilemma4177 It was an old feature where you could select channels you’re subscribed to and put them into their own individual subscription feeds. For example, I had all of my horror channels I liked in a group feed so I didn’t have one massive subscription feed to navigate.
@@headshotmaster138 Yeah, the barrier of entry to be in entertainment was really high. It's hard to fathom that shows back then had several million people watching every week for years on end. It's no wonder people still fondly remember Hannah Montana or whatever compared to a $100 million Netflix show that is watched in 2 days and forgotten.
@@SeethingSimp I suspect that's the flaw of the model Netflix helped create. Why be hyped for next week to see what happens next when you can just the whole season in a few days? Like you said, there's a reason why some shows are still talked about years later.
Culture has stagnated huh? Perhaps its a sign that humanity needs to move from mindless consumerism and cowardly escapism into actually producing meaningful and useful things that enhance life at its core? A culture of mentally weak enthralled children will always necessitate a ruling class of nanny kakicrats that give them just what they asked for via the culture.
time to watch another one of glink's social media rants, on social media. but a new site won't fix anything, it will eventually become watered down as well. we can never go back
This is a really cool idea on paper, and something like this would be neat. But the logistics of this just do not make any sense whatsoever. Who would decide what fits the bill? What exactly is good enough to be on this website? And who is quality checking not only the creators but each individual video? Also I think it's important to mention, RUclips is not a profitable at all for Google. The only reason that they keep it running is because it is a monopoly, it is the video service. Normal people cannot shake off losses like Google can. They would have to try to actually be profitable. When the difference between your website shutting down is a few thousand dollars, and someone offers you a few thousand dollars to put their video on the homepage despite the quality, you're probably going to take that money because that one negative action will now support all of your positive actions. Until other creators and major companies start also giving you money to put their stuff on the homepage, because it's human run. Yes there is definitely manipulation with RUclips's algorithm for more mainstream stuff. But if you're running an independent website where you have to pay people to quality check videos, you're probably going to need a fair amount of money on top of the money that it costs just to run the website especially when you're going to have to buy an absurd amount of servers to host all this video content. Eventually the website will just be bought out by these people, people like Mr beast who actually do turn a profit. Not to mention if you're focusing exclusively on this kind of content, where do beginners start? Yes RUclips's algorithm can be volatile and can be taken advantage of, but can also shoot small creators into the stratosphere and have them get noticed. While the machine is biased, it is also an equalizer that can randomly just catapult someone's life forward to a point where they could have a full-time job doing this. With a human system that's not going to happen as much, at least not on the level of RUclips. You would have to do some sort of smaller site with precurated people and then maybe search people out from RUclips? Like scouting? But there's no way that you could create a competitor to RUclips with this kind of curation. It's just not realistic, which is unfortunate because it would be cool. And the other issue is if you just make a site where anyone can pretty much upload anything, you run into two problems. Either you make another RUclips where people just post any garbage they want, or you get another rumble where it gets flooded with political extremists whose views aren't promoted on other websites because they could be dangerous.
No need to pay people, make it a nonprofit and do what AO3 does. Still need to make money to keep it afloat of course. Perhaps a hybrid between the AO3 and Reddit models.
You'd also need to figure out how to make it profitable. The reason so many RUclips alternatives are paywalled is because video hosting is one of the most expensive types of sites out there. A 1080p video is at least 300 MB of data you have to send to the user per view, which can get very expensive very quickly for the webhost. And nowadays 1080p isn't even enough for some users
You know, considering you have a large audience, you are in a great position to build a team of people in order to make this come true. I really believe that you have a great potential to be able to create this platform, with the help of the other creators mentioned and their audiences.
Personally, I think he would need to team up with people with a much bigger audience in order to do it. Glink is talented, but he doesn’t even have 1 million subs.
@@phabiorules I agree, however he could also bring together other content creators to create a team. And he certainly has a larger audience then I do, so it would be a good start.
The challenge is that whatever new platform exists needs to be financed somehow. Servers aren't cheap, it needs to be built, and it will absolutely need to be moderated to some extent. Then there's issues with what'd be allowed. If it's crowd funded, maybe it can get away with not needing to generate funds so copyright laws might be more malleable but who is really going to pay for yet ANOTHER subscription-type service? What's to stop someone from pushing their own political biases on this platform. Right, left, middle, up someone's ass, it'd be hard to keep any biases out - considering this is 'curated' content. RUclips was great back then because it was small, and major corporations didn't see a lot of profit in it, so creativity flourished. Now that everyone is aware of the internet and sees it as a means to generate revenue - from corporations to "Content Creators" - it's nigh impossible to create something like old RUclips. The issue with creating this platform, running it, and making 'content' for it is always the same: money.
Maybe we should look into decentralization to fix a lot of these problems. I'm thinking about me having a great time on Mastodon, it feels a lot better than Twitter. Because hobbyist often run instances, either from donations or from their own money, the monetary issue is fixed. And because it's decentralized, it's a hell for corporations who have a problem with copyrights, since it takes a lot more trouble taking down their shit from a gazillion decentralized instances running in random countries, than from 1 platform like youtube.
The quality of videos has gone down so much, i cant even search for good things, it feeds me the trashiest non educational content. The problem is there is no alternative to use, but im so fed up with this shit.
Please bring back your video on the Pharmaceutical industry. It's right up there with "How Apple Started a Dark Age of the Internet" and "The Golden Age of the Internet is Over" and I think was very educational despite how some might perceive it.
I literally cannot find anything entertaining to watch on RUclips anymore because everything I find is a documentary video like Sunnyv2 or a clone of MrBeast, and every video is edited so obnoxiously. Big RUclipsrs really need to start taking platforms like Rumble and Odysee seriously, and we should be trying to let our favorite creators know about these platforms. Odysee is just so much better than RUclips but we really need more RUclipsrs to sync their channel to Odysee. Rumble isn't bad either, but they've made their website too focused on live streaming that it's pretty much become a live streaming platform.
I absolutely agree. RUclips is just bloated with mind rot clickbait content designed to appeal to teeenagers. Queue video of Mr Beast with thumbnail showing an expression of shock paired with birght colours. Garbage.
Money mostly flows through children and women. Most men are too busy spending all of their lives earning it for the other two, to bother wasting so much time & attention on entertainment.
This video has strong early-youtube powerpoint video energy. I love it. Having said that, I disagree, in the sense that curation, censorship and algorithmic promotion is precisely the cause of the preponderance of drivel you see on normie-RUclips. As soon as I see a check mark next to RUclipsr (not including you, apparently) I know it's going to be lowest-common-denominator pablum similar to TV except with a pretense of personability from being, allegedly, "user-generated." Letting viewcounts speak for themselves and NOT promoting "authoritative" content and NOT tailoring recommendations algorithmically would go a long way to restoring the joy of pre-2017 youtube.
Subscription box in chronological order with creators recommending each other and collaborating. It limits discovery but also regurgitated repeated drivel.
Someone with some extra cash should just pay freelancers to make a video sharing website that gate keeps what’s genuine and only allowing videos that are. Ultimately it will be determined by AI what is “genuine” or not.
I don't know how people use RUclips, but I literally only watch my subscription feed Sure it took a few years to make it solid, but I have what I like To find similiar but different creators, you look below the video you are watching (it does this very well). Anyone who uses the main page as their RUclips experience is dumb lol
Ultimately no-one will pay for the server costs that come with this kind of a website. Hosting a bunch of videos of random vlogs that get 1-2 views is impossible without significant ad revenue. I think even RUclips runs on a loss, to show how much of an issue it is. I’m guessing we will need some form of AI compression-decompression technologies to minimise storage requirements by users before this can be feasible. Great video as always though Glink 👍
Rumble and Kick are new platforms. but, if you make a new platform, people won't use it. Mastodon is already dead lol, or nobody cares about it. Twitter users will hate Twitter but will still use it lol
Nice profile picture! And yeah, I've heard "let's make a new video site" every couple years, and with one exception they always fail. (The exception is Nebula - I'm surprised, and glad, they're still going.)
right now youtube wont even give you recommendations unless you turn watch history on lol the home page is literally blank oh well I guess nothing is better than something
internet is the platform,i am considering to create my individualweibsite rencently,just like the early days.I think this is what we need to go back,a real great age of discovery
So lets assume this site was made, then as it scales, eventually some "not quality" creators would begin uploading on that site. How would you stop this new site from becoming another youtube? Who is quality control? Who decides what is quality and what isn't?
Agreed! But I think a problem is money; who's gonna pay for hosting, moderation, etc? I do have one solution for the hosting; maybe make it decentralized, and have people themselves store some (parts) of the videos. For example: if you upload a video, you have to host it for a while, just like with torrents, but if it becomes somewhat popular, other people will host it as well. It could be somewhat ephemeral; some videos get "lost", but then, that is life. And if you like a certain video, maybe you can click manually "host" to save & serve it from your PC, so it stays alive for another while.
@@Fonz128 Doesnt mean I can't use it or see how it is being used in current year. I've still seen animation collabs come out of Newgrounds and as much of a mess it is, Friday Night Funkin came from Newgrounds people. Gotta be somethin goin on in there.
Content today is digital sedation. I remember the good old days of Niga Higa and College Humor ( the old one). Now its commentary channels, "you wont believe this" clickbait titles and reaction streamers. I wouldve left this dumb site years ago, if not for the educational content it provides.
This seems like it could be fixed with better organization and tags here on RUclips. The issue of who would curate this curated site is the biggest one it would face. It could end up being restrictive and in the wrong hands of someone with too narrow a preference, completely tank this metaphorical site. Imagine in the long term if the site switched hands and the curating criteria were to change; the site would be ruined for all the old users who don't like the newer direction. User curation could be the answer. Vote videos off the island type deal. After a hypothetical grace period, if a video received to big a negative response, it would be privated/removed. Does RUclips allow us to search for videos by percentage of likes yet? They should.
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Being someone who has been active online since the late 90's, I can tell you this. The platforms you speak of have always existed. The problems for such video platforms are as follows.
Cost: Owning a site involves paying various bills and taxes. To be free to use would mean footing a hefty bill.
Popularity: Modern sites need to at least be well known and have a growing user base. Likewise, such a site would need to have a good reputation. Without a good reputation, the site will become another Rumbl.
Investment: While economics is a part of this, so to is engagement. If people aren't willing to pay a little, provide content, or simply interact with the site, it is as dead as Putfile.
Legality: The last is the matter of if people are using it without breaking laws. I'm not talking about fighting words. I'm talking about such things like copyright infringement, snuff films, and child exploitation. These are things that one would need to keep an eye on to maintain such a site.
While I can list several other things that I see kill past video hosting sites, these are what needs to go into getting a site to operate proper.
Typical shill.
So many people willing to pay for streaming services like Netflix and no one bats an eye... a few years ago I was about to pay for premium RUclips so there are no ads but then after all the demonetization and censorship I've been hoping there was somewhere else to go.
Thanks Snapple.
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What's wrong with Rumble's reputation, the only people that hate it are those that hate freedom of speech
This had big "we should start a band" energy
it isn't stale, it's sterile
youtube systematically purges anything interesting from fear it might affect advertising revenue
A platform with just RUclips video essays is literal hell
ain't that nebula?
Indie documentaries*
@@phant0mdummy At least you _feel_ like you learn something there
We need a whole website of Action Button videos.
Eh, depends on what kind of content is up your alley. I like to watch some good, educating video (that took time to research and put together) once in a while. But somehow it often turns out that lefty video essayists, who make meticulously edited videos with high production value, are actually really unpleasant and sanctimonious people who feel like they're better than everyone else, especially behind the scenes.
Before I used RUclips, I was obsessed with finding documentaries on Google Video. They were long form and good quality - there were entire websites listing what was available. RUclips took over... but the algorithm and search is useless.
You should try Documentary mania then. They've got a ton of free documentaries there.
Google "antisearch" basically
Yea modern life is a struggle between breaking down institutionalized gatekeeping VS enjoying curated content. That's what this video reminds me of.
To some degree, I do kinda think we can't have both. Like we can't have "a cool platform". If anything, that's what Nebula is trying to do with their vision of 'cool'. At the end of the day, it's going to either be open to everyone, even Mr Beast, or curated by tastemakers/controllers of the platform. I agree with the desire, sentiment, and points, but I'm not sure there's actually, physically, a solution outside of culture on this problem. Like tech, platforms, UX, etc can only go so far.
Mr beast content is lame for the average 'cultured RUclips enjoyer' who remembers the web 2.0 but can we REALLY say his content is functionally different than anyone else's who we'd actually want to watch??? Outside of simple taste, I can't find a way to say so, with specific, "non-vibe based" language. (Ie, "it's gross", etc) It's not really a matter of quality, money can always purchase quality. It's not a matter of research, b/c lots of content isn't based on 'doing good research' and if you want that... Nebula. Personality is so subjective as to be useless outside of tastemaking cultural solutions, as described above.
In a lot of ways, we're stuck in this neolib "reputation and Algorithm" based purgatory until we come up with some kind of truly revolutionary way to sort information, people, content, ideas. THIS is where innovation actually lives and is rewarded, this mindspace. Tech and biz innovation is a perversion of this kind of collective, consensus-based thought-cloud'ing that humans have been doing for centuries.
Agree with all this, but as a small addition: I do believe if we move from neolib algorithms (that focus on making money for youtube), to human curation, we might get rid of a surprising amount of mr beast type material. When you take the money out of it, things do become more.. tasteful. But that's just my hopeful, maybe a bit naive, expectation
> 1:34 RUclips's algorithm is designed for one thing only, and that's quantity
Actually, RUclips optimizes for viewer satisfaction as well as watch time. They know that if they don't serve up quality stuff, they will lose in the long term. If you're unhappy with your recommendations, you should click "not interested" and also delete videos you found to be low quality from your watch history.
Also, not to shill too hard for Nebula but we do sort of a middleground between netflix and youtube regarding recommendations. At the top of the homepage, you are presented with a pretty large banner rail consisting exclusively of higher budget content co-produced by the Nebula and the creators themselves. When you scroll down, yes you do see similar rails, but they're organized by topic so you can find what you want, kind of like netflix. Lower quality stuff like stream vods are not shown on the home page.
Yes, you have to pay for access, but I find it strange you counted this against Nebula but didn't bring it up when talking about Netflix, a platform which costs more than 3x as much. If you want the netflix of youtube it's odd to expect it to be free.
I'd say the issue is the "watch time" aspect. Maybe it should play a role in how it serves content, but with how much RUclips forces watch time as the top priority, it has degraded the entire platform, where quantity is the quality.
Do you happen to know if Nebula has any plans to eventually try and branch out into providing free viewership to an extent? I get that it's basically impossible to compete with the amorphous blob of lard that is RUclips, but I imagine that more traffic and accessibility - even if it's just X hours per week access - could provide people with more incentive to then make the jump to subscription.
The volume some of these streamers produce in one day, the amount of reactions they upload per day bars your satisfaction. Hopefully it does work in the long run but from my personal experience is that volume and quantity are king.
My biggest gripe with youtube is how it just recommends anything related to whatever content you've watched in the last 48 hours. (Especially on the TV app) It's all just crappier versions of a video I probably watched and enjoyed in its entirety the day before. Additionally, I hardly ever get anything on the home page related to the creators I'm actually subscribed to unless the video is already tracking high in views. I didn't know this video was out until I saw the community post while checking youtube on my mobile.
Rumble could be it but their UI is trash.
they are growing fast hopefully they improve on that
Rumble or Odysee.
if you like hitler, according to this guy
Rumble bots views
@@xandark8563 How?
I don't think making a platform would solve that issue. Cause the concept of click bait as it were existed in a sense even before youtube or even the internet even existed. Think of video stores, CD stores, or book stores. You'd go to whatever section you were interested in. Maybe the new release section, bargain bin, whatever. You're browsing, and the ones you pick up to look at are the ones that look the most interesting. The heavy metal album with the gruesome art, the fantasy book with a half naked chick on the cover, the action movie with a big muscular dude holding a gigantic gun. Sure you can read the back, but that's not an indicator that'll be good or you'll like it.
You could make a new platform, but what's to stop the users of that platform just turning it into youtube 2.0. Make a rule saying there's no click bait thumbnails? It's arbitrary, and would be impossible to enforce on a large scale. Let alone easy to abuse. Only allow good content on the platform? Again that's subjective. As two people could look at the same art film. With person A declaring in a masterpiece. While person B says its pretentious shit. It's impossible to enforce a concept to that degree on an open platform. Videos with low ratings get deleted? What would stop people from mass flagging or botting the video down then. Let alone if monetization gets involved.
I think you want a Newgrounds in which people can post any kinds of videos and not only animations (I know you can post other things but you know what I mean)
Ah here's the comment I was looking for. It's time for Newgrounds to make a comeback. Artists certainly like it most as far as atmosphere is concerned. It's purely meritocratic in content promotion.
I have my niggling complaints about the UI but it's actually fucking SUSTAINABLE. Newgrounds has survived every crash for a reason. It is lean and efficient as a result and Tom is still a free speech adherent.
I just ended up on Newgrounds the other day and was pleasantly surprised how the dream of the 2000's internet was still alive there. It's on my favorites bar now!
Free form those capitalist corporate greedy big tech companies of silicon valley@@GabeSweetMan
I think best solution would be instead of creating new video platforms, but would be better to build community to support and promote the good content creators.
Funnily enough recently I've been getting a lot of recommended videos of short videos that average between less than a minute to 3 being 8 years old and older that I've never seen before and have seen a long time ago. No clickbaits, no sponsorships, no clout chasing.
How I miss the old youtube.
This is extremely idealistic. The vast majority of people have no problem consuming slop all day on RUclips/Twitch. That's why this stuff is so popular, and their creators get so successful in the first place. You can't compete with something like RUclips by simply offering less, but more curated content. This has been seen many times over the years with stuff like ThatGuyWithTheGlasses, NormalBoots, and Storyfire. Either way, they all come back to RUclips because people aren't going to go to another website to see something they can already see on another website. The only way to feasibly compete with RUclips is to do/allow things that aren't possible on RUclips. And as you so eloquently put it ( 3:18 ) that won't be possible because people like you will just claim it's "for WW2 baddies" the second anybody posts anything objectionable without being censored, because in the last 10-15 years we've forgotten how to coexist/confront people on platforms, and instead just end up creating echo chambers.
Hell, I didn't even get into the issues of cost of running such a site, especially when your idea is to have a site exclusively host less financially viable content than the slop that gets posted to RUclips every day.
Just 10 years ago.
The "WW3 baddies" will, one day, be outed as those who controlled the weaponized censorship apparatus. Make no mistake, this idocracy is a war on the minds and the prevailing culture is the prize sought after. This war is fought with algorithms and art, not bombs and guns, but it is already claiming many more lives than any wars of the past.
Always click a glink notification instantly
Bro give Rumble a chance, it has the rhy thler weirdos but that's just because they got booted out of youtube🤣the site is getting nicer and nicer.
The weirdo part is just a normwl part of alt tech platforms
"maybe you're into guitar pedals and stuff"
*me with a guitar in hand
"shutthefuckup
shutthefuckup!"
Honestly I think this problem could be solved by a website that acts like a frontend to youtube, but where the content shown isn't decided by the youtube algorithm, but by human curation.
The only viable way I can see for content curation is not in the netflix/disney+ etc style of a boardroom of bigwigs making all the decisions but rather a more reddit-style approach of letting the community decide what's good, while also splitting things up by genre.
Having it work like subreddits could be an option, but the better choice I think would be to simply use the tags and categorization provided by the videos themselves. With that the user can filter by including or excluding specific tags and categories.
Beyond that videos that lack tags or are incorrectly tagged/categories could be corrected on the site itself by users. Handling these corrections would require human input from an administrator to avoid trolling (like what sometimes happens with steam tags).
Combine all this with a more netflix-esque UI and I think you'd have what you want.
Now for someone to actually make it happen and somehow get users to it while also paying for server costs.
lets do it
This sounds like a pretty good start at least.
I think youtube is just inherently shit in how you can't use copyrighted music and stuff
Nice
Honestly I really do want a platform that feels like the golden age of RUclips but there really isn’t any alternative platforms that succeed in get large amount of people interested in their platforms.🐱
Like a rebirth or renaissance
I love how Glink is talking about quality literally while standing in front a projector. That is hilariously awesome.
The only solution I see without creating expensive infrastructure is video aggregators,
it's somewhat similar to p2p,
that is, video creators will have to take care of content storage, for example, use hosting or place file servers at home and using the API
you just provide them with the video,
This model entails many disadvantages,
which the creaters will have to put up with, but at the same time nothing prevents the creation of at least 100 such aggregators,
which gives rise to healthy competition,
Partnership would fit well into this model
companies producing NAS and hosting providers
A big problem with free/ad-driven platforms is the content that makes the most moolah is the ones that make clickbaity titles, clickbaity thumbnails, rushed content and pad the videos as much as possible while retaining viewers. Even on free streaming platforms, popular creators make clickbaity titles and advertise their big personality in the thumbnail.
A new curated platform will be hard to get up and running. The best bet for it is a private investor/group signing great creators and paying them out of their own pocket, kinda like Nebula, but that's going to be a terrible business model. If these same creators can double dip, or people repost their content elsewhere, people will just stick to RUclips.
And who's to say that your curated and advertised content is going to be any better than Google's recommendations? Sifting the objectively bad content is one thing, but there are a lot of dedicated creators that I don't enjoy watching. I quite enjoy my recs, but I am also pretty adamant about not littering my personal account with random videos from chat rooms and guest users.
Or it could develop bias towards the interest of the curators
So when does lightwave luanch?
The glink nakey jakey crossover was the collab i never knew i needed
This extends all "Social Media". It's been tried so many times. Say, the last social media site that took off (that wasn't planted by China) was Discord and it was able to achieve that by combining the traits of dying platforms like Teamspeak and Skype along with even better features. You'd need to have competition like that but for immensely powerful sites like RUclips, therefore it wouldn't be possible
The Discord story is exactly what comes to mind.
when I talk about competition in the video hosting market,
I still remember how terrible Skype was and how inconvenient it was to use the teamspeak, especially if you have NAT Closed and don’t want to use hosting services...
My name is Frank. Im a cat. I love RUclips bruh
Hi frank
Who is qualified to state which continent is suitable for such a platform? Who is willing to get keep for this platform and do it for free?
There is a reason why platforms that do this charge money in for you to get access. When you allow unpaid people to rate videos you would find the end result is essentially what RUclips is right now, or worse what Tik-Tok is.
This is actually a very bad ill thought-out thought-out take, i know understand why people watch Hasan.
Also Glink shouts out EmpLemon, s guy who started out making short RUclips poops, the rxact kind of content Glink would delete of his hypothetical platform.
What if like old yt, there was a rating system that pushed the highest rated to the front/spotlight? Like likes or in old yt five star rating system. If they broke it up into genres that could optionally be classified when posting a video, and push the highest rated videos to the front, like Netflix’s spotlight ,but you can scroll to the side and see more high rated videos of that genre.
(Ik he said the Netflix spotlight type thing in the vid)
Anyways, just leave it to 4-chan
is that a my name is jonas 8 bit cover??!?!?! what the hell lol
It sounded really cool to be fair!
I like your projector Mr. Professor
btw, you been smokin' ?
Oh sweet death one last caress
I don't doubt for a second that a curated selection of videos, short films, documentaries or passionate works of art would be better than what we have right now. I simply don't see a system that would satisfy most people because who would be allowed into this walled garden of content? Will small creators even have a chance at making in or do you need a long track record of content to earn your way in? Will monitization be handled through ads or subs?
As of right now I'm not very confident in this project actually working. Realistically the best way to experience these high quality videos is to seak them out yourself by joining communities that have done the hard work already in finding high quality feature length RUclips videos.
And eould be biased towards the creators beliefs.
this feels like that commercial for everest college
RUclips is for children. You are an adult. That is why the content on youtube seems to suck for you. Because people your age are usually employed, have a wife, and are starting a family via sex (for the creation of children). That is why you hate this platform, because it is geared towards children and you are not a child although you are still searching for content to consume and toys to play with like a little child. Try getting a job or making content for children to make money in order to have enough clout/respect to get a girlfriend, then use that money from the children you are entertaining to do adult things, like raising a family, buying a house, engaging in adult hobbies like woodworking or building a real company. This youtube stuff for people over the age of 20 should only be for the purposes of taking money from children to get rich and start a real business producing real value for real adults. If you can put aside your ego for a little bit and approach my comment with an open and humble mind, you may find yourself slightly enlightened. Good luck!
It really sounds like another nebula, but perhaps with a stricter control for "quality content"?
Its called Storyfire, it was started by McJuggerNuggets a RUclipsr form the 2006-2013 golden age of RUclips.
afaik storyfire crashed and burned.
It sure seems that way.@@returnedtomonkey8886
just a little butt hurt, hey dude?
"G TV" sounds good
We definitely need a new platform, I get there are some setbacks to finding it but why is it hard for Rumble to get a bit more views, it's easy, I mean come on
It's hard for rumble to catch on because of the image problem. The majority of people that use rumble consistently and posts on rubble consistently Make almost exclusively far right to full on neo-Nazi level content lol. Trying to explain to someone what a rumble account is and then explaining the videos that pop up on their homepage I don't think it's a very easy conversation
@@the7569I’d also add on that most people don’t feel like switching. The problem is that creators aren’t bigger than the platform, so if someone watches RUclips everyday, they will just keep doing that.
It’s like when Microsoft created Mixer and gave an exclusivity deal with Ninja. People didn’t move to mixer, they just started watching xQc instead.
I think it’s just bc there’s not rlly that much new, rumble and yt aren’t different in, pretty much anyway, except rumble isn’t rlly restrictive. Which makes it worse bc almost everyone on there are yt rejects bc they broke tos. So it’s pretty much hate speech.
so right wingers in general @@Asmanidoesnotexist2
Another thing I notices in the past 2 years on RUclips the sub count to video view count is way off then ever before. like this video for example barely has 10k views compared to Glink having 400k subs.
It's wild to me that One last Caress and Blitzkrieg bop have the same motif and if Static Age would've released when it was supposed to, we'd be in a much different world.
Sure why not? I'll sign up day one.
An answer to a youtube alternative I've been kicking around in my head for a bit is self hosting a website and linking to other websites with similar videos, or websites you personally like.
Eventually, if enough people were to use this method, the mesh of websites liked together by other websites would be fairly large. It may also help with the quality control, as people linking websites to their own could work as a sort of peer review process.
Essentially, bring back webrings I guess.
Cost would be a big factor here obviously, not everyone can afford to self host a website with videos...
online magazine outlet
Slush is just a social construct
I think a curated, alternative homepage to RUclips wouldn't be a bad idea. still using RUclips's resources but leading others to the more quality videos already on here. The hardest part would be getting people to adopt it, but you'd have that problem even if you wrote the site from scratch
yes, but you still have to choose your words to fit into the idiotic family politics...
Because Capitalism ruins Everything
I actually really like the idea of RUclips having a feature where you can view a catalog by genre. I don't know if you remember this, but there used to be a feature where you could break your subscription feed into groups of your choosing. I really enjoyed that and I don't know why RUclips got rid of this.
i think i know what you mean? i sorta do something similar were i just use this 2nd channel to have a handful of content creators im subbed to separate from my 1st channel's subs
@@emmadilemma4177 It was an old feature where you could select channels you’re subscribed to and put them into their own individual subscription feeds. For example, I had all of my horror channels I liked in a group feed so I didn’t have one massive subscription feed to navigate.
Ive noticed ive been hitting refresh more and more without clicking on a video.
Our culture is stagnant. In companies, creativity, politics and In technology.
Pop culture in general seems nonexistent now. An album, show, or movie that gets talked about for more than 2 weeks is extremely rare.
@@SeethingSimpGood to know I'm not the only one feels this way. I think it's because information travels faster now than it did back in the 2000s.
@@headshotmaster138 Yeah, the barrier of entry to be in entertainment was really high. It's hard to fathom that shows back then had several million people watching every week for years on end. It's no wonder people still fondly remember Hannah Montana or whatever compared to a $100 million Netflix show that is watched in 2 days and forgotten.
@@SeethingSimp I suspect that's the flaw of the model Netflix helped create. Why be hyped for next week to see what happens next when you can just the whole season in a few days? Like you said, there's a reason why some shows are still talked about years later.
Culture has stagnated huh? Perhaps its a sign that humanity needs to move from mindless consumerism and cowardly escapism into actually producing meaningful and useful things that enhance life at its core? A culture of mentally weak enthralled children will always necessitate a ruling class of nanny kakicrats that give them just what they asked for via the culture.
time to watch another one of glink's social media rants, on social media.
but a new site won't fix anything, it will eventually become watered down as well.
we can never go back
Glink sounds like CarbotAnimations and I love it
This is a really cool idea on paper, and something like this would be neat. But the logistics of this just do not make any sense whatsoever. Who would decide what fits the bill? What exactly is good enough to be on this website? And who is quality checking not only the creators but each individual video? Also I think it's important to mention, RUclips is not a profitable at all for Google. The only reason that they keep it running is because it is a monopoly, it is the video service. Normal people cannot shake off losses like Google can. They would have to try to actually be profitable.
When the difference between your website shutting down is a few thousand dollars, and someone offers you a few thousand dollars to put their video on the homepage despite the quality, you're probably going to take that money because that one negative action will now support all of your positive actions. Until other creators and major companies start also giving you money to put their stuff on the homepage, because it's human run. Yes there is definitely manipulation with RUclips's algorithm for more mainstream stuff. But if you're running an independent website where you have to pay people to quality check videos, you're probably going to need a fair amount of money on top of the money that it costs just to run the website especially when you're going to have to buy an absurd amount of servers to host all this video content.
Eventually the website will just be bought out by these people, people like Mr beast who actually do turn a profit. Not to mention if you're focusing exclusively on this kind of content, where do beginners start? Yes RUclips's algorithm can be volatile and can be taken advantage of, but can also shoot small creators into the stratosphere and have them get noticed. While the machine is biased, it is also an equalizer that can randomly just catapult someone's life forward to a point where they could have a full-time job doing this. With a human system that's not going to happen as much, at least not on the level of RUclips. You would have to do some sort of smaller site with precurated people and then maybe search people out from RUclips? Like scouting? But there's no way that you could create a competitor to RUclips with this kind of curation. It's just not realistic, which is unfortunate because it would be cool. And the other issue is if you just make a site where anyone can pretty much upload anything, you run into two problems. Either you make another RUclips where people just post any garbage they want, or you get another rumble where it gets flooded with political extremists whose views aren't promoted on other websites because they could be dangerous.
You gave way too much thought in this reply, like way more than Glink did
No need to pay people, make it a nonprofit and do what AO3 does. Still need to make money to keep it afloat of course.
Perhaps a hybrid between the AO3 and Reddit models.
You'd also need to figure out how to make it profitable. The reason so many RUclips alternatives are paywalled is because video hosting is one of the most expensive types of sites out there. A 1080p video is at least 300 MB of data you have to send to the user per view, which can get very expensive very quickly for the webhost. And nowadays 1080p isn't even enough for some users
The unsung hero of youtube/the internet
You know, considering you have a large audience, you are in a great position to build a team of people in order to make this come true. I really believe that you have a great potential to be able to create this platform, with the help of the other creators mentioned and their audiences.
Personally, I think he would need to team up with people with a much bigger audience in order to do it. Glink is talented, but he doesn’t even have 1 million subs.
@@phabiorules I agree, however he could also bring together other content creators to create a team. And he certainly has a larger audience then I do, so it would be a good start.
The challenge is that whatever new platform exists needs to be financed somehow. Servers aren't cheap, it needs to be built, and it will absolutely need to be moderated to some extent.
Then there's issues with what'd be allowed. If it's crowd funded, maybe it can get away with not needing to generate funds so copyright laws might be more malleable but who is really going to pay for yet ANOTHER subscription-type service?
What's to stop someone from pushing their own political biases on this platform. Right, left, middle, up someone's ass, it'd be hard to keep any biases out - considering this is 'curated' content.
RUclips was great back then because it was small, and major corporations didn't see a lot of profit in it, so creativity flourished. Now that everyone is aware of the internet and sees it as a means to generate revenue - from corporations to "Content Creators" - it's nigh impossible to create something like old RUclips.
The issue with creating this platform, running it, and making 'content' for it is always the same: money.
Maybe we should look into decentralization to fix a lot of these problems. I'm thinking about me having a great time on Mastodon, it feels a lot better than Twitter. Because hobbyist often run instances, either from donations or from their own money, the monetary issue is fixed. And because it's decentralized, it's a hell for corporations who have a problem with copyrights, since it takes a lot more trouble taking down their shit from a gazillion decentralized instances running in random countries, than from 1 platform like youtube.
Something like a free Nebula?, seems impossible to me at the moment.
The quality of videos has gone down so much, i cant even search for good things, it feeds me the trashiest non educational content. The problem is there is no alternative to use, but im so fed up with this shit.
Please bring back your video on the Pharmaceutical industry. It's right up there with "How Apple Started a Dark Age of the Internet" and "The Golden Age of the Internet is Over" and I think was very educational despite how some might perceive it.
there’s a gap in the market for a new platform and no one seems to be taking it up
this just comes off as some severe copium bro ngl
It will come in time.
lets do it
I literally cannot find anything entertaining to watch on RUclips anymore because everything I find is a documentary video like Sunnyv2 or a clone of MrBeast, and every video is edited so obnoxiously.
Big RUclipsrs really need to start taking platforms like Rumble and Odysee seriously, and we should be trying to let our favorite creators know about these platforms. Odysee is just so much better than RUclips but we really need more RUclipsrs to sync their channel to Odysee. Rumble isn't bad either, but they've made their website too focused on live streaming that it's pretty much become a live streaming platform.
Remember when vidme was a thing?
Idk. All I want it a RUclips without the algorithm and heavy handed corporate censorship. That's what ruined it in the first place.
Time for Linus to open Floatplane up for everyone 😁
I don't trust that rat
Why don't we just go outside?
agreed
Take your own advice.
is it against TOS to build a platform on top of the RUclips platform? cause I think I got an idea
The fact that rokfin isnt even mentioned says a lot about the plattforms popularity
next video is japan he says
I absolutely agree. RUclips is just bloated with mind rot clickbait content designed to appeal to teeenagers. Queue video of Mr Beast with thumbnail showing an expression of shock paired with birght colours. Garbage.
Money mostly flows through children and women. Most men are too busy spending all of their lives earning it for the other two, to bother wasting so much time & attention on entertainment.
This video has strong early-youtube powerpoint video energy. I love it.
Having said that, I disagree, in the sense that curation, censorship and algorithmic promotion is precisely the cause of the preponderance of drivel you see on normie-RUclips. As soon as I see a check mark next to RUclipsr (not including you, apparently) I know it's going to be lowest-common-denominator pablum similar to TV except with a pretense of personability from being, allegedly, "user-generated." Letting viewcounts speak for themselves and NOT promoting "authoritative" content and NOT tailoring recommendations algorithmically would go a long way to restoring the joy of pre-2017 youtube.
youtube but it uses a newgrounds rating system?
we don't need new platforms, what we need is de-Corporatization of the internet...
I think that this is a really cool idea.
Subscription box in chronological order with creators recommending each other and collaborating. It limits discovery but also regurgitated repeated drivel.
Sitch and Adam shout out! 😆
Someone with some extra cash should just pay freelancers to make a video sharing website that gate keeps what’s genuine and only allowing videos that are. Ultimately it will be determined by AI what is “genuine” or not.
Wishful thinking, ain't happening
So it’s an exclusive club but also you can get recognised on it? Doesn’t make sense lol
How do I spell the name at 6:51 ? I wanna check out his channel
Bro, for real, you deserve way more views than this. Ur one of the few RUclipsrs that escaped the influencer vortex. Keep it coming man!
Well I always appreciate a good last caress
Let’s do it
I watched the documentary because of this vid and damn it is good
I don't know how people use RUclips, but I literally only watch my subscription feed
Sure it took a few years to make it solid, but I have what I like
To find similiar but different creators, you look below the video you are watching (it does this very well).
Anyone who uses the main page as their RUclips experience is dumb lol
Ultimately no-one will pay for the server costs that come with this kind of a website. Hosting a bunch of videos of random vlogs that get 1-2 views is impossible without significant ad revenue. I think even RUclips runs on a loss, to show how much of an issue it is. I’m guessing we will need some form of AI compression-decompression technologies to minimise storage requirements by users before this can be feasible. Great video as always though Glink 👍
Rumble and Kick are new platforms. but, if you make a new platform, people won't use it. Mastodon is already dead lol, or nobody cares about it.
Twitter users will hate Twitter but will still use it lol
People have been trying to do this since RUclips started. TheAmazingAtheist made his freespeechvids in 2008 or 2009 for example. It always fails.
Nice profile picture!
And yeah, I've heard "let's make a new video site" every couple years, and with one exception they always fail. (The exception is Nebula - I'm surprised, and glad, they're still going.)
What is the RUclipsr he mentions that tell weird stories?
you kinda remind me of tally hall because of the tie
I like the RUclips TV app, it seems to recommend more quality long form videos. Downside is you need a smart TV…
right now youtube wont even give you recommendations unless you turn watch history on lol the home page is literally blank oh well I guess nothing is better than something
internet is the platform,i am considering to create my individualweibsite rencently,just like the early days.I think this is what we need to go back,a real great age of discovery
So lets assume this site was made, then as it scales, eventually some "not quality" creators would begin uploading on that site. How would you stop this new site from becoming another youtube? Who is quality control? Who decides what is quality and what isn't?
Agreed! But I think a problem is money; who's gonna pay for hosting, moderation, etc?
I do have one solution for the hosting; maybe make it decentralized, and have people themselves store some (parts) of the videos. For example: if you upload a video, you have to host it for a while, just like with torrents, but if it becomes somewhat popular, other people will host it as well. It could be somewhat ephemeral; some videos get "lost", but then, that is life. And if you like a certain video, maybe you can click manually "host" to save & serve it from your PC, so it stays alive for another while.
I think that's how Odysee works, I remember it needing a torrent client or something
Yap that’s definitely capitalism and capitalism creates greed and corruption
I love the idea... but this will never happen... I love this fantasy i will believe in it maby someday
This video convinced me to take a serious look at Newgrounds
That site died a decade ago. It’s not 2008 anymore. Newgrounds is never coming back.
@@Fonz128 Doesnt mean I can't use it or see how it is being used in current year. I've still seen animation collabs come out of Newgrounds and as much of a mess it is, Friday Night Funkin came from Newgrounds people.
Gotta be somethin goin on in there.
@@Fonz128sadly you're right but that Friday night funkin is a good start to introduce a newer generation to Newgrounds.
Shut up you neoliberal capitalist loving scum@@Fonz128
Capitalism and consumerism killed it @@Tribow
Content today is digital sedation. I remember the good old days of Niga Higa and College Humor ( the old one).
Now its commentary channels, "you wont believe this" clickbait titles and reaction streamers. I wouldve left this dumb site years ago, if not for the educational content it provides.
This seems like it could be fixed with better organization and tags here on RUclips. The issue of who would curate this curated site is the biggest one it would face. It could end up being restrictive and in the wrong hands of someone with too narrow a preference, completely tank this metaphorical site. Imagine in the long term if the site switched hands and the curating criteria were to change; the site would be ruined for all the old users who don't like the newer direction.
User curation could be the answer. Vote videos off the island type deal. After a hypothetical grace period, if a video received to big a negative response, it would be privated/removed. Does RUclips allow us to search for videos by percentage of likes yet? They should.