DAREDEVIL Season 1 Review
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Shooting in our office today - A video podcast review and discussion of the first full season of Marvel's Daredevil on Netflix. Be forewarned, this review is full of balls out spoilers for people who have already seen the first full season! Also, a comic book Daredevil to show Daredevil comparison.
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Your review was very good but you got one key the wrong: Matt doesn't struggle with the decision to kill, he struggles with the decision NOT to kill. He's constantly fighting the urge to kill people he feels deserves it and it's not until the end of the season where he finally decides that he won't.
You are right Aaron, I completely forgot about that until I read your comment and remembered Matt Murdock talking with the priest
Aaron Starks You're right in your analysis but I thin you are just arguing semantics. Struggling with whether to kill or whether not to kill is the same thing stated two ways.
Aaron Starks Make way for Frank Castle
JazGalaxy It is absolutely NOT the same thing. She makes it seem like he's struggling with a decision as if he's not willing to kill but should. It's the exact opposite. He's absolutely WILLING to kill and it's a fight in his heart to NOT do it. Not remotely the same thing.
It's not a semantic argument. It's a fight to not do something that he WANTS to do vs. not wanting to do something and feeling he's forced to.
Aaron Starks I just started watching this video, so I don't know what's in it yet, but I think what you are saying is really interesting. I myself thought that he did'nt want to kill, but in the end he realise that he has no choice. But to see the situation the other way around is very interesting. And I did't see it coming at all.
That means he is part of the limited group of vigilanties who are willing to kill (and want to) to get rid of the bad guys.
Very eye opening. :)
Agree in almost everything.
The one thing I disagree is about Señor Foggy. I like the actor. I think he did a great job with the character. At the beginning I thought he was going to be comedic relief only, but he wasn't. Foggy is an actual person with opinions and personality.
Xavier Zavala H. That's the writing, regarding opinions and personality. I don't think anyone has a problem with the writing. I think it's the acting that bothers people, me included. I thought it was shockingly bad. He is charismatic and he does well with his OWN lines, but interacting with other people looked like a high school play. It was shocking because apparently he is a very seasoned actor.
JazGalaxy Wow! I didn't felt that at all. I guess I'll have to watch the series again
Plus he was muy guapo!
EightBit Hero Ha! Avocados!
Agree
I'm so stoked to see Jon Bernthal as The Punisher. He plays a conflicted, unstable type character so well. He played Shane in The Walking Dead and basically saved season 2 from being a total train wreck with his great performance.
I totally agree! He's a great casting.
tknick90 i don't watch TWD, but he did a great job in Mob City and i think he's gonna make a spot-on Punisher! i can't wait for season 2!!! ^_^
Sweet NCR grizzly!
tknick90 I hope he does the part justice. As someone who has been reading Punisher comics for 25 years I feel we are about due for the character to be well represented. I think Netflix might actually pull it off.
tknick90 I can't wait to see the episode where he tries to convince Daredevil to kill all the junkies locked in the warehouse.
Has it crossed your mind that BECAUSE Karen is seen as this useless, weak, not-knowing-anything character, and Wesley is this always-in-control knows-all dude, it's the best match for Karen to be the one to kill Wesley, cuz nobody (including the two of them) would see that coming?
And hand in hand with that, you do realize that not every character needs to be a super-smart badass? Karen and Foggy are normal ordinary people thrown into some crazy situations and they (try to) deal with those to their best abilities. And I think the writing and the actors did a great job portraying that.
Alisa Komendova This. You are spot on.
Look man, I wish everyday I had a capable assistant like Wesley bc running a business is so difficult, you need someone like that. So when I saw that useless person kill the person that I would adore to have in my life, oh lord I wuz PISSED. It's a personal thing lol.
Alisa Komendova Funny how perceptions differ. Karen is one of the best things in the show for me, even with her screw-ups.
comicbookgirl19 i love your channel and findbyou very appealling, but you are so incredibly amoral, all the death and violence that Kingpin is responsible for and you are getting upset because a weak character saves her own life by killing the murderous Wesley? yes the characters are cool, but that doesnt make their killing OK.
Finding someone interesting does not mean they can be allowed to kill.
I would be terrified for you to have any power, wiping out people you thought were too weak while letting dangerous sadists of if they had charisma.
And being angry because they didnt know what is going on?
Your like some kind of Randian nutjob!
Alisa Komendova Even if it makes for Karen to kill Wesley, it's still not fun to have an interesting characters killed off while the boring ones stay on the show. And yes, not everyone has to be a badass in real life, but in show like this, there's not a necessity to have boring characters. I thought Wesley was more interesting even than Fisk and Murdoc. I also really liked Ulrich, too. And Karen was responsible for his death, too. Karen, at this point of the show, sucks. That might change as the video states, though.
The only person responsible for killing Ben and Mrs. Cardenas is Kingpin. I don't see how you can possibly blame Karen or Foggy for that. I'm surprised that you seem unaware of the evils of gentrification and why working class people like Mrs. Cardenas oppose it. The last thing we need in a superhero series is yet another main female character turned into a woman in a refrigerator. I loved it when Karen saved herself.
Tosh Omni yeah, during my whole time watching this I was like "you keep blaming everyone but Wesley and Kingpin, the people who actually literally caused the death" for everything she was upset with.
Even Wesley's death was 100% on him, you don't kidnap someone put a gun in their hand, and kill people they care about and expect to not get killed. If you say "kill me, join me, die" after kidnapping someone and killing people they care about, yeah, they'll probably kill you.
Tosh Omni wrong Karen was completely the reason why Ben got killed. She led Kingpin right to him. Did she have a hand in the act? No of course not. However, it is her action that lead to Ben's death(which was really tragic because he was one of the stronger characters on the show.)
BESM1984 Actually it was the fault of the writers for thinking Ben had to die. He could have saved himself maybe if he'd had the good sense to be armed or Daredevil could have.
Tosh Omni
that is a completely cop-out. It is just sad to see such an iconic character(to the whole Marvel universe) killed off
BESM1984 There's also the possibility that Ben wanted to die because it was the only way to help his wife as she'd benefit from his life insurance and that's why a smart guy like him didn't take more precautions to protect himself from Kingpin.
Mrs. Cardenas is about wanting to improve what is already there, not just pick up and moving. This is part of the larger difference between Kingpin and Daredevil. Kingpin is about ripping down what's there and building anew, while Daredevil is about taking what's there and making it better.
I get that, personally tho, I lean toward the "burn it down and start fresh" philosophy in life. Change doesn't frighten me as much as most ppl and I feel that cycles are a natural part of life, neighborhoods start fresh, then decay, they die, then are re-born. Trying to force the nature of life in the opposite direction seems like a stand against evolution from my perspective. Cities are never "finished", they are living organisms that change and grow and who wants to live in a world where everything stays the same?
@@comicbookgirl19 can you upload Spider-Man 2002 and Spider-Man 2 I fan of Tobey Maguire Spider-Man plz
I wasnt the biggest fan of Foggy or Karren either but i think CBG19 is missing the fact that their actions and story was a necessary foil to justifying the need for the vigilantism of the Daredevil in such a corrupt place like Hell's kitchen. Also it helped hammer home the point of the injustice of it all when the people mentioned die despite the best intentions of the two.
What really blows my mind is that CBG19 doesn't see what the tearing down of the apartment building represents and the social conflict there, despite speaking on so many other issues. It's not just about one apartment building getting torn down and people having to move, It's about the wealthy segregating and out pricing the middle and low income people of the city. It doesn't end with just one building in this case. (You can look to the issues San Francisco face in this regard as a contemporary real world example.) Outside of this social conflict..... Daredevil and Kingpin DO NOT want the same thing. Daredevil wants to help the PEOPLE of Hell's kitchen. Kingpin wants to make Hell's kitchen a pretty place to live, regardless of who he hurts or forces into exile. What is the point of fixing up a neighborhood if your plan is to kick 95% of the people currently living there out? Who are you serving with such a plan? That is one of the real conflicts between their ideals.
Other than that it was a pretty good review and I like all the references that i would miss as a non-comic reader.
Agreed. As a New Yorker, this is something I read about every day in the papers: GENTRIFICATION. In fact, I loved Karen and Foggy because they were people who despite not having the same struggles as Ms. Cardenas, understood their own privilege.
sinder9737 I tried to write something like this last night, but I was seeing red after CBG19 repeated that derogatory & racist "Mrs. Carnitas" line -- so I just deleted it.
Hazel Contreras Yeah, this sort of thing is happening in London too. It really made the Karen/Foggy/Cardenas story resonate.
sinder9737 CBG19 came off to me as a unknowing child of privalige in this review; whether or not that is actually true.
Manhattan is well on its way to becoming an exclusive bulwark for the rich.
sinder9737 Thank you Sinder, you put into words what was on my mind better than I could. CBG19 said she love how grounded the show was, yet miss a lot of the more grounded reality and human elements of the show.
No one seems to notice the infamous hallway fight scene from episode 2 was shot in one take using one camera. Cox probably didnt have to act like he was worn out toward the end of the fight bc he was worn out. That is just insane they pulled that off w no cuts.
Literally everyone knows that. It was all people were talking about for weeks
TheAnanaki No there were stunt double switches during the scenes where daredevil enters and exits rooms
+TheAnanaki There were hidden cuts, but it was amazing. An homage to Oldboy.
BrainsVsNuts Yes doubles were used but it was one continuous shot too. www.tvguide.com/news/daredevil-one-shot-hallway-fight/
doro626 Homage indeed. But it was one single shot www.tvguide.com/news/daredevil-one-shot-hallway-fight/
Karen is immortal is what I took away from season 1.
pipuk3 you just blew my mind
pipuk3 And then Bullseye shows up...
+pipuk3 Nope shes just lucky
+Featherman R Yep, when he brings her to Kingpin in Season 3 she will get introduced to a glass rod and a hammer.
Avocado11 Guess poor Matt will never get a decent love life.
Reality check cbg. The bad the things that happened to people in the show were planned, paid for, and done by your Precious Wesley and Criminal Intent Kingpin.
People do have a right to stay in their home, that is why Kingpin and Wesley were paying criminals to damage the buildings, hurt the people, and eventually kill them if they didn't leave.
Your attitude is horrible, and it is hard to believe you put any thought into what you were saying. It is a dumb superhero show, and you may love the villains, no problem, but the things they did are evil.
I think she was viewing it more so from a story telling POV than your typical "good vs evil" view. She's not necessarily condoning the things Wesley or Fisk did but she feels that the choices that the writers made for the story kinda killed it for her.
EightBit Hero er, no, listen to what she says again, she likes the "charismatic" characters and so justifies the violence, but when a weaker character does something violent she gets upset, if Karen had enjoyed the killing more she would probably have been excited, in fact, if Wesley was still alive after being shot and she had finished him of with torture, that would have made it all OK.
Seriously comicbookgirl19 , if your reqding this, imagine her character getting a taste for blood and killing Wesley slowly with a look on her face that made it clear she enjoyed it, sadistic qnd cold, perhaps licking a stray bit of blood of her finger, you're aroused arent you?
Dorian Leakey really?
BESM1984 rereading my post it comes across as mean spirited, but comicbookgirl19 has been pretty explicit, i think she said something about liking arya stark killing people and wanting her to have blood washing over her, so i did base this on something.
I just cannot seem to say it so it sounds like a lighthearted accusation of sadism.
blaming Karen for Ben's death doesn't make any sense; she didn't kill him, your boy the Kingpin did.
So why blame her and be all about him?
yeah, Kingpin's a great villain, and this interpretation of him is great, but not liking Karen for something he did just doesn't make any sense.
Dan Gallant THANK YOU!
They're right. Agents of shield got great!
Max Burke It got better, but I still wouldn't call it great.
Drudenfusz It got better and then even better with S2. And ignoring it because of the first episodes would be as bad as ignoring TNG because of it's slow start.
Drudenfusz agree to disagree
I agree. I don't see how you appreciate Winter Soldier or Age of Ultron without the back story and setup from AoS.
Max Burke It's freaking awesome. Keeping in mind that Daredevil probably has less creative restrictions and a completely different production schedule than regular television, the possibility to go darker and more violent, so yeah, they have that going for them but as far as network television goes AoS feels like the best for me (yeah, if you get past the first few episodes). It's incredible how they keep things so tight and connected. IF I have to be honest, sometimes the Daredevil plot feels kind of forgettable (Even cbg19 forgot that Leland died and I didn't remember the whole Mrs. Cardenas subplot until she mentioned, and the same for a lot of subplots). And the final confrontation between Matt and Fisk is dissapointing. So while Daredevil is AWESOME, it never really had me screaming at the screen, it didn't move me like AoS always does.
Your love for the D'nof has blinded you! You're actually siding with the slumlord!! Wtf? You would totally be an antihero if not villain in any comic LOL.
I am very much looking forward to my impending Villainhood ;)
comicbookgirl19 "Impending"???? It's obvious you have some Villainy going on behind the scenes!!!
Still thanks for being a (Public) source of good with all these great videos, your enthusiasm always brightens my day
Vincent D'Onofrio is a master thief at scene stealing. Its impossible not to root for his character.
About Mrs. Cardenas: there's actually a huge problem with New York City residents who have been living in rent controlled apartments for decades and their landlords who are desperate to get them out. In fact, the right to live and use that apartment rests with the resident, not the landlord. There have been plenty of cases in which landlords use underhand tactics such as turning off water and gas and breaking stuff to chase off residents so they can charge more. It is extremely illegal.
Matt wants to improve life for the residents of the neighborhood; Wilson wants to improve the neighborhood. This means gentrifying, and essentially carting off the lower income residents so they become someone else's problem. This doesn't help the situation of the residents, regardless of which neighborhood they end up in.
Karen doesn't know anything, but unlike Foggy, she actively attempts to combat this by learning more. It can be boring watching a character spend a considerable amount of time hunting down information the audience already knows, which is why her character arc suffers. And she makes mistakes. But she doesn't stop trying, no matter what.
I think it was rather appropriate for her to be the one to kill Wesley. He underestimated her, and slipped up with the gun. He thought she was useless and weak, but Karen isn't. She is stubborn and tenacious. I don't fault her character, I fault the full info-searching plot they gave her. I hope she has a better storyline next time.
Thank you as someone who cannot afford to live in nyc anymore me and my friends relate to this daredevil plot line
I disagree with you on so many levels but I respect someone who can make me understand his or her opinions even when I don't fully accept them.
Good video, not many people go as in depth as you in their reviews. :D
You know, I don't mind you not liking the Cardenas plotline too much, but talking about "just take the money and move the fuck on" shows that you really does not grasp the problems of gentrification and the very basic human notion of loving your home.
That happened so much here in Brazil during the World Cup in the name of bloated and unfinished public construction works that only served to divert funds into politicians' pockets, it was very painful to witness people who grew up in those homes driven out through this very same kind of pressure Mrs. Cardenas went through and seeing you completely blow it off like it's something silly and childish screams of sheltered ignorance.
About Mrs Cardenas, unless you've lived in NYC the idea about tenants refusing to leave a building can sound absurd and unrealistic. But it is something that does really happen. And I'll explain in two points:
First point is "rent stabilization." Some buildings have rent control. And if you're one of the lucky ones that landed one decades ago you could be living in one of the most prosperous neighbourhoods in NYC for the same price as how much you'd pay for some suburban apartment in Oklahoma. Rent stabilization prevents landlords from sharply raising rent at the renewal of a lease. It sets an increase cap. So, this is one incentive on fighting, to keep the low rent apartment that is located in an expensive area (even if the building has gone to shit). And Hells Kitchen is very expensive and pretty central.
Second point is that tenants cannot legally be forced out, but they can be coerced out either by money or by diminishing the living conditions within a legal limit. Even if the building is owned by someone else, they can't just evict a tenant because they want to turn it into a luxury complex. It's not common that a tenant would fight as hard as Mrs Cardenas, but it does happen. In fact, one person (Herbert Sukenik) was convinced to leave his apartment after a long battle with the new owner of the building. Everyone else was convinced to leave at a few hundred thousand dollars, Herbert was the last man standing and fought hard. He was eventually convinced with 17 million dollars and relocated him to a 2 million dollar condo, of which they paid for. But until that deal they tried everything within their power to make his life miserable.
Good post, I was going to post this information about rent control apartments.
Truth. She really missed the mark on this part. Plus, some people have just been in the same place, in the same neighborhoods all of their lives, and simply aren't going to move, period.
The reason ms Cardenas doesn't want to leave is mainly rent control. Once you rent in ny you lock in at that rate. So losing that means you're back to square one
Leland is dead, if you missed that episode. And "Black Sky" is probably an Inhuman.
The Altar Of Madness - Multimedia Reviews That's what I was saying. Fisk killed Leland.
i don't think she even watched it.
+Al Y Leland has a son. His son might get pissed off that Wilson Fisk killed his father so he'll become The Owl. He better though, because I was super pissed when he died.
You didn't understand the history of Cardenas at all. And is clear you don't understand poor people either.
Learn about life, then talk about tv shows.
All I can say: gentrification.
Franco Guasch Word. I thought the same exact thing. That's so weird that comicbookgirl19 is so disconnected but she reads so much. Like, that was real life taken straight from local news stories in NY. I'm not going to diss her but yeah she really doesn't get it whatsoever.
Tystarr2k2 I agree with you. I love CBG19 and there's no need to dis, people are allowed to have different opinions. but, yes, i think she kind of missed the point about the gentrification storyline, also, if you have a rent-stabilized/control lease the owner is NOT allowed to just evict you. It doesn't matter that you don't own the building or apartment and there is a certain kind of sense to fighting for your right not to be displaced.
additionally the building was intentionally messed up with drug dealers and lack of repairs because the owners were trying to get everyone to leave...a highly illegal tactic.
To me, that was one of the most realistic stories... Slumlordiing is awful, and people being afraid of not being able to find housing again...
desafortunato
Can't wait for Daredevil: The rogue cut
I’ve been on a Marvel tour. Just finished all the movies in chronological order, but it all started with Daredevil. I watched all the stuff then I go back and watch old videos of CBG19 breaking it down which has been so fun!! Love Daredevil👹
Comicbookgirl19, You obviously don't live in NYC. Once you leave your rent control place, $20K, will only last you 9-10 months in another apartment at most. You'd have to leave the city.
I agree completely with your review on this series. Karen, Foggy, and Miss Cardenas was the absolute worst. Zero real motivation and they have absolutely no real character other than the fact that they are around daredevil. They were all so unlikable and just really made it hard for me to finish watching the show.
Knew I could count on you to do a legit review and not just praise the show for the simple fact that it's a comic book show like all the other pleebs out there are ranting and raving on how good it is just because it has the Marvel title slapped on it.
Is this a fucking echo chamber? Because this is all nonsense.
***** Sorry, I can't hear you over all these likes.
Cerberusarms To me, Miss Cardenas and that whole plot line was the most important thing in the series. Gentrification is the act of pushing low income residents out of homes in order to increase the real-estate values for those homes. It happens in real life and it happened in this show because Fisk wants to push poor people out of the city, and make it more suitable for higher income families to live in. Foggy, Karen, and Matt where trying to fight for the right for residents to live in their own home; Miss Cardenas represents the low income individuals struggling to live in NYC inflated housing prices. I can understand why you and comicbookgirl think there is zero motivation for this plot line, and it's probably because you can't relate to it. But for me as a person forced to move out of his residents due to gentrification, Miss Cardenas, this plot line, and the rest of the crew where the most important and relatable thing in this series. This is the first time the side characters are doing just as much good (arguably more) as the superhero himself. For a guy who hates comic book heroes and Marvel, it seems to me that you missed that this show is the most grounded one out there and the least similar to any other Marvel Property. But hey, to each his own ;)
Donofrio does an incredible job of playing The Kingpin. The funny thing about the Daredevil Netflix series is that it really seems to be an anti-hero, fighting against an anti-hero. Both of the prime movers care about their neighbourhood.
CBG19, do some reading on rent controlled apartments in New York and the cost of housing. After that you might find Mrs. Cardenas to be easier to empathize with.
Coming back to this review like a year later and listening to you get excited about the painting was great. I LOVED that bit. I remember really explicitly my reaction when they panned onto the wall and I realised the truth about it. Reliving it just now. Man I wish i could just wipe my memory and watch the whole thing again. It's moments like these which make good things great.
They cast Elektra already !!!
Godrules1234 They did?
Yes the cast elodie yung as elektra
Godrules1234 Heres hoping she can fight. Electra is one of the top fighters in the MCU, she's taken out Wolverine before. Well, you know, for a couple of hours at least.
Prana Khan Elodie has practiced Karate for over 10 years and had weapons training for her role as a Ninja assassin in the latest GI Joe movie ...
Graviton1066 All of that is good to hear! The Electra-Wolverine crossover graphic novel by Yoshitaka Amano ranks in my top 10, so I hope for good things
I've already written an article on my website about my feelings about Kingpin, but to put it simply: I really disliked him.
The character was well written, and his backstory was great but the actor's portrayal of the character just did not click at all for me. The way he acted throughout the entire season was pathetic! Not that the acting was bad, it just wasn't Kingpin, it just wasn't menacing. He was so fueled by emotion that it felt immature to a point. The Kingpin was more of an old and muscular baby than a menacing drug lord.
Just my thoughts, can't wait for season two.
:)
( Wesley was a much better villain than Wilson... #TeamWesley )
carloswachuwa13 I digesting your analysis. I need more explanation, I think. You are saying "he was so fueled by emotional that it felt immature to a point." That was the intention. I feel like you are saying it came across that way and it wasn't intended to when it was absolutely intended to come across that way. His being an old and muscular baby is the entire point.
JazGalaxy Well if that is the case, then it must just be that in my opinion the Kingpin is someone who is much more in control, not only of his actions but his business in general. This control, which he lacks in the show, is something that you need to create a real threat, a real villain.
Sadly, this incarnation of him isn't, he doesn't live up to his comic book counterpart because he never reaches the level of emotional maturity needed to maintain control.
His lack of control makes him seem weaker and a lot less menacing, and personally, I like it when my villains are menacing.
I don't want a baby throwing a tantrum as a villain. I want someone who can change his own diaper and get things done without having to throw a fit every couple minutes.
JazGalaxy Pardon my rant...
I have strong feelings on the matter since I had pre-existing ideas regarding how the Kingpin would fit in to the Spider-Man stand alone films. However, the show tampered with the way those ideas would work out so I couldn't help but get a little angry at how the character was handled.
Basically, if the writers intended to depict this version of the Kingpin the way they did, I can learn to accept it but I myself think that they could've gone about it in better ways. :)
I think most people would say that his inability to control his emotions is what makes him MORE menacing and scary. That is the criticism I have read, anyhow. The idea is that someone who is out of control is less predictable and comes across as more monstrous. From a television sense, it certainly adds tension to scenes because you don't know what he is going to do or how is going to respond in a scene. If someone was going to deliver him bad news in a scene, for instance, the tension is who he responds to it Is he going to listen and accept the message? Or just outright kill the guy?
carloswachuwa13 I agree with you. To me, the Kingpin came across as a socially awkward man child who threw a temper tantrum when something didn't go his way.
My thing about Karen is she was never a good person she just wanted to do something good because she was almost killed by one of the people who work for Fisk her past isn't well the best so she's not a good person. Also I can't blame her ignorance because she is kept in the dark and honestly what the hell is she gonna do even if she learned mat is daredevil the most useful thing shes done in this show is kill Wesley tho I loved Wesley he derped when he gave her the gun also u gotta know at least know about Hispanic culture to know why she didn't want to move out her house elana I mean I respect your opinion I just wanted to shine some light on things
Also for foggy I got nothing I personally like foggy but if you don't like him that's ok atleast you gave reason on not liking characters unlike other people
Wilson Fisk is by far THE BEST CHARACTER ever put on a screen in any comic adaptation. Not only a great performance, but what great internal conflict and complex reasoning behind a villain. His speech pattern (always out of breath, sort of), his poise (a Gentle Giant/monstrosity), his vulnerability and softness (with his mother, and with Vanessa), and the fact that you can SEE that he's always on the edge of incredible violence...
*Obviously* the best villain, but ALSO the best character. And PS: it was awesome that he was pretending to need an interpreter the whole time. Badass.
Didn't Fisk kill Leland? I thought he threw him down an elevator shaft.
I really liked Foggy and Karen from the start. Murdock, I had to get used to... because I didn't hear his American yet... and I'm so glad he did a cultured-version of Matt Murdock, where Catholicism and Irish-Americanism play a big role.
It's crazy how different impressions people can have of a show. I usually agree 99 pct. with what you say, but this time I disagree with sooo much.
I LOVED Karen in this show. She is frustrating and pigheaded, but that was so refreshing. It's so rare to see female characters who are that aggressive and single-minded about their idealism and their cause. She is competent, but fucks up so badly. It was awesome.
And try as I might, I just could not get properly into Wilson Fisk's character. Objectively I can see that D'Onofrio did a great job with the character, but he just rubbed me the wrong way. Especially since D'Onofrio seemingly had tuned his charisma down instead of up. Combined with his temper tantrums (terrifying as they may be), it made me lose all belief in him as a leader. The idea that icy motherfuckers like Wesley, Owlsley and Madame Gao would follow someone that unpredictable stretched my suspension of disbelief too hard.
I got so excited when Owlsley backstabbed Fisk, because he was such a cold and calculating bastard, like, that's what I want in a villain. Only for immediately to have him die. That was the disappointment of the show for me, discarding excellent villain material so casually.
In regards to Cardenas and the apartment she lives in, I want to stress that she does have the right to live there. She likely entered into a contractual agreement (a rent/lease agreement) with the owner permitting her to remain for a period of time. The conflict arose when the owner tried to force her (and others) out prior to the natural expiration of that agreement. This happens often when property values rise. The owners of the buildings may desire to expel low-rent lodgers in exchange for high-rent lodgers, or make some other use of their property for larger returns. To do this, they will often use illegal tactics to make the lives of their low-rent lodgers impossible. This, in the hopes that the low-rent lodgers evacuate. But there is a contract, and the lodgers should not be forced to move via illegal tactics. We may not understand why they want to remain, but they have the legal right to remain, and should not be disdained for exercising that right.
Weird that she didn't seem to remember that Leeland actually died.
DinosaurGames Exactly! I was thinking "Hey, wasn't he pushed down an elevator shaft?"
Look man, I've got A LOT going on making two crazy Xmen documentaries back to back so sometimes I'm am going to forget small things.
Maybe someone already pointed this out, but Leland is dead. When Kingpin found out he was responsible for poisoning Vanessa, Kingpin threw him down a freaking elevator shaft.
Leland does have a son they call Junior.... Maybe he's the Owl
murdok wants to help hells kitchen the people. kingpin wants to help hells kitchen the place. Fisk wants a better place. He dosen't care about the people living there. Matter of fact he wants all new people to live there.
Matt made up his mind to do something about it around the same time as fisk. The accident left him hearing the cries of the innocent all the time.
Karen is an honest woman who needs to know the truth. She killed whats his name because he didn't think that she could. It was the farthest thing from his mind.
King pin in most cases is wrong. It's just his motivations are right. His story arc is the road to hell.
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Matt's apartment has two white windows that look like two milky white (blind) eyes yet they still shed light.. perfect representation of his powers.
incredible review as always you gorgeous mutant. also love the retro 80s music :)
I think you make some valid points about Karen and Foggy as characters that are lacking development. (Although I probably don't hate them as much as you do) But I think your dislike for Ms. Cardenas may be misplaced. I saw Ms. Cardenas as symbol of the common folk. She represents all the people who have been wading through the shit of the city and are finally taking a stand against people with authority who abuse that power, in what little way they can. While she may not own the building, it has been her home for many years. (And the city does recognize rent control, so forcing someone to move is illegal) I love that she cant be bought or reasoned with, because living there isn't about cheap rent, its about the community they have built over time. (Even if much of that community is plagued by criminal scumbag drug addicts) And as far as Fisk's reasons for 'building a new and improved hells kitchen' is concerned, many of them are financially and selfishly motivated. In this instance he promised that block to the psycho ninjas in exchange for their help with achieving his goals. Furthermore when they don't get what they want, they turn to intimidation (cutting of the water supply and destroying the building) and eventually murder as means to an end, which is inherently a bad way to start a 'new and improved' city. And ultimately I saw the brutality of her death as an indirect commentary on real world societal issues; people with power often get what they want at the expense of the weak no matter how hard they fight and hold strong to their convictions.
Comicbookgirl19 you need to understand the current problems with gentrification in NYC. That was what the symbolism of that poor old immigrant woman and Foggy and Karen.
wanted to point out also that what i love about daredevil is the fight scenes. the hallway fight scene i love how they show the fatigue in the character you could tell he was getting more tired as the fight went on instead of alot of shows and movies the hero never seems to tire out.
The hallway fight scene at the end of episode 2 clinched it for me.
EXACTLY
Agreed! Hell of a long take!
ProjectRedfoot I agree. The one in season 2 after dealing with The Punisher on the roof is what really did it for me. The biker gang. That was the shit.
They're not smaller characters as you say, they're street level heroes that only defend their neighborhood unlike the Avengers.
For me the Kingpin was my favorite as well. By the end of the season i was rooting for him. Im on team Kingpin and can't wait to see what his girlfriend does. I have his statue too on my channel that i just reviewed.
I was too! I was also gutted when Karen killed Wesley. I was all like 'she must paaaaay!'
It says "Video Podcast" But is there an actualy podcast we can subscribe to? I'd love to be able to take long deep-dive reviews like this on the go...
When we started the podcast we used to upload it to Soundcloud but our upload times were taking too long so for now, and until we get more staff that can handle it, its just on YT.
+comicbookgirl19 userstyles.org/styles/browse?search_terms=cursor
+19 Productions I would enjoy an audio podcast strictly about comics.
Hopefully the Punisher gets his own Netflix show after Daredevil season 2! I NEED DIS!
Oh my gosh, I am so freaking flattered and happy your using my painting in your thumbnails. Your the best.
We so need Bullseye introduced on the show....wearing the costume.
Vincent D'onofrio as Kingpin, is the best Marvel villain so far in the movies, on tv, everything, hes just amazing! cant beat that performance.
amazing how oblivious to the plight of gentrification your rant goes into. you don't think the renovated property could be affordable to people under rent control. you'd think after living in LA you'd grasp that. weird.
or even in nyc. it's a big problem here and I was so mad listening to her rant about it
8:58 - Are you kidding?! That came as such a shock that I couldn't _not_ love it!
I love that she turned the tables on him, and she called him on his bluff about the gun not being loaded.
12:44 - Yeah, I didn't understand that, either.
13:45 - Not just that: they're _super_ serials!
I knew Charlie Cox was gonna kill it as Dare Devil,he was awesome in boardwalk empire
No no.You can't hate Karen because Fisk killed Urich.You might as well hate Daredevil because of it.You might as well hate Daredevil because he gets a lot of innocents hurt.Fisk killed Urich because Fisk is evil.
I agree with everything you said except I thought the kingpin was the weakest link of the show.
havoc22 ??????????????????????????????
I dont understand how that could even be a thought.
Honestly have no idea. I would say King pin is the best TV villain I have ever seen and better then most if not all the superhero movie villains.
I understand that we are different and see different things but of all the points you could pick that one is mind blowing
You're high
Jake Harrington I don't understand how someone can have an opinion either. like whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????????????????
Francisco Santiago I'm not saying it's wrong or think it's dumb. It's just mind blowing to me that that was the thing mentioned
havoc22 I'm surprised that you are even enjoying the show if you don't like Kingpin. This is pretty much his show.
Hey CB : The thing I think that perhaps was not as well as explained as it could be, though they did mention it, is that when these big companies knock down these crappy buildings, they raise the rent on the new ones to a level that the people living there cannot afford. It's part of gentrification, so the only people that can live there are upper / middle upper class citizens. Mrs. Cardenas could have taken the money, but the issue still stands.
I've worked in real estate for some years now and have seen this happen. Obviously, minus the murder.
I love the review, my only opposition is about Mrs. Karnitas (sp?). Here's the thing, the older you get, and I think I might be close to twice your age, the more you value your memories. This is a woman whose whole adult life was lived in that apartment, her husband lived and died there, she raised her family there, her memory is largely the events of her life that were lived in that apartment. compared to that, your life has been that of a mayfly and while you may be able to logically understand the extend of her years, you can't come close to understanding the extent of her life because you're not old enough. I'm closer to her age and I can at least understand it, being a father and husband myself. I think your idea of selling a life's worth of history, memory, and emotion for 20 grand being a reasonable request is in error.
+Thomas Pierson Glad someone replied to this. I live in NY and there are laws against most of the stuff they were doing in the DD series, and 20K sounds great, until you realize how much rent is in NY. They weren't ( if I remember) offering to move them out, fix it up and move them back in, they were just kicking them out.
+Thomas Pierson ---was just getting ready to comment about that..her response really frustrates me... and i believe it's Mrs. Cardenas? It's memories and 20 grand..really? you have no1, but here's 20 grand and now leave ur home and go find a new one..Hm.
agga924 I honestly beleive it's just an error based on life expereience. The average Millennial has been alive for 25 years or so. That sounds like a lot, until you calculate the limitations of the first mandatory 18 years of school; which means that they're 7 year old adults. Now, it's amazing how much living you can actually do in a year. My entire naval career was 2 years long (back when they had 2 year enlistment periods) and in that time I traveled to 13 different countries got married for the first time, took part in the liberation of Kuwait from everyone's favorite dictator, somehow managed to learn an entire way of life and be able to determine that it wasn't for me, and still received an honorable discharge. I did a lot of living in those two years; but that's only from early 19 to early 21 and I've not been idle since. The point is that there's a hell of a lot of living in the years that Mrs. K (or C) was alive; and I don't think it's easy to grasp when you're young; hell I'm still coming to grips with the gray in my beard
dougpassat . dude they were unlawfully trying to evict tenants that didn't have anywhere else to go. The memory stuff too yeah but what they were doing was just plain wrong they were taking advantage of the voiceless, and everyone acts like Cardenas and the tenants were somehow the bad guys for standing up and saying 'No, we have a right to be here.'
wtf I don't get comic book girl's reasoning or yours. Also the only reason the building was a shithole was because they sent in builders to tear parts of it up to harass the tenants.
Okay, so there's this lady who's just trying to get down to the truth. She's just trying to find out what's going on the whole time. So she makes a huge discovery, and a psychopath kills someone because of this discovery. And somehow in your head, that means SHE should pay for the psychopath's crimes?!? Look, i understand they did a very good job of making fisk relatable and sympathetic. But when you're demanding that a character innocent of a crime pay for it on behalf of a psychopath, no matter how sympathetic you find them, you're just talking out of your ass at that point.
This show finally does DareDevil justice. I love it
Man I am glad they changed Vanessa from the books into someone who molds and helps Fisk in his transformation. A major power couple that just works for me. I pray she makes a bigger appearance in the second season. Karen mostly falls flat for me. She completely got Ben killed when she lied and fooled him. Dawson killed it in every episode for me.
OMG I love Claire
No,no. The building Mrs. Cardenas lived in was old but it did not have that criminal element. That was what Fisk and co. wanted people to believe because they wanted the building. He was forcing them to leave. He had guys come in and tear up the place and then lie about why they left and didn't finish the "repairs." It was all about them not giving in to being bullied.
Omg just scanned the comments, and I can totally see why cbg disables them so often! She's giving people HER OPINION on HER CHANNEL, and folks are responding with insults, criticism, and personal attacks! If you disagree, simply share your opinion (hopefully with a little back up), but my goodness. Ease up!
Great job CBG! Don't agree with everything but I certainly appreciate your perspective and your humor.
It's implied that Madame Gao was Fisk's mentor and helped him get to where he is. In the scenes where Wesley translates for Madame Gao, the translation for her dialogue aren't complete. He only translates part of what she says and the rest implies that she has a much deeper and more complex relationship with Fisk.
For example, when they had the first meeting between the different crime bosses, Gao calls Fisk an old friend and says that it was good to see him again after such a long time, but Wesley just translates it to "she's happy to see you." There's also the part where Fisk is about to ask Gao to help him get rid of the Russians and she says that she knows he's going to ask for another big favor.
The cutaway at 1:52 makes it seem that CBG19 has some hairy man arms! lol
OMG THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING!!!
mrblueangeldood I don't see it. I thought it was obvious that it was just some dude who edited in some of the comic art.
John Shepard ORLY? So you're telling me she doesn't have hairy man arms?! I feel such a fool for actually thinking that...
You should feel like a fool, you fool.
Eh, the whole Mrs. Cardenes thing makes perfect sense to me. You've never had to live in conditions where you can't move have you? I have many times in my life.
Also do you know what 20k does for you in New York City? Fuck all. Rent controlled places are worth their weight in gold.
The other thing is a land owner trying to move you out through intimidation can lead to owning the property which is worth even more.
Sorry to say it, but your dislike of the Foggy-Karen-Mrs. Cardens thing, *for the reasons you give*, reveals a rather shallow, self-centered, unable-to-empathize side of yourself. I'm thinking maybe you're not _really_ close to many, if any, people.
If you're that turned off by Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. just watch the pilot and then skip to episode 10, you'll still need to deal with a few "meh..." episodes but you'll know the important stuff from that point on, and when you'll get to the episode 14 or 16 (can't remember it gets waaaaayyyyyyyyyyy better.
P.S. It's "Urich", not "Ulrich".
@ 12:45 Mrs. Carnitas ?!?!?! That is pretty racist.
Peter John Pretty sure they call her that on the show at one point, I might be wrong though...
Yeah I caught that too. You think that was intentful or just a gaff?
At 10:45 she calls her Mrs. Cardenas.
carloswachuwa13 If you forget an asian ladies name, would it be OK to call her Mrs. Eggroll? I haven't seen the show yet but there are lots of racist things in TV shows that you should not repeat.
Yes, if the Asians ladies name sounds similar to eggroll, then that's fine.
I love hearing your opinion on things as always. Not sure why you'd call Karen or Foggy ignorant. They knew full well they were up against an evil corporation that would stop at nothing to win, including murdering people. The real question is why all the good guys, including the reporter and their client, weren't packing guns so they could at least try to defend themselves a bit. They could have arranged for some bodyguards for the poor old lady too.
As a minority who has lived in NYC for 20 years, I interpreted Mrs. Cardenas's story as one of gentrification. So no...I don't think she should move.
So Wesley who has just admitted to having arranged murders and then pulls out a gun having just kidnapped you and makes you an offer you know you won't live to refuse... You don't see why Karen was 100% right to kill him. I thought that was the most honest step outside of the traditional narrative on the show.
You seem to think that Leland is still alive. He was really dead the last time we saw him.
I love all your reviews! I would love it if you would do more comic book reviews. Like the current Secret Wars takeover at Marvel. I wonder what your take on the whole crazy and intense situation is!
Madame Gao was my favorite character and my favorite scenes were her conversations with Fisk.
Karen is the damsel in distress. She is in trouble, causes trouble for the main character and those around her in the storyline. The actress did a good job. Karen will cause even more trouble for the cast of characters in later seasons, those who read Frank Miller's Daredevil: Born Again, will know what I mean.
Love your channel. Just a heads up, in big cities like New York City, you actually can own your apartment / condo.
Really basic understanding of the Landlord situation. Is it really that hard to imagine what it would be like to be forced out of the only home you knew?
Kingpin defined this show for me and made it a favorite. I'm so glad you feel the same way!
Karen killing Wesley was awesome. I hated Wilson though the flashbacks were awesome. His relationship with Vanessa wasn't believable. Agreed that foggy was miscast. One thing that annoyed me throughout the season was DD doing a spinning kick every fight.
that's an interesting point, I agree that Kingpin was written and played masterfully, the question then arises is he portrayed too empathetically?
Once they peeled back some of the layers and you see how he came to be the character he is, he's no longer just a villain, but a complex character with an arc that goes from abused child to ultimately very powerful adult.
Since Daredevil isn't really given as much background, or the background he is given is more disjointed (although I was very excited to see Scott Glenn, reminded me of his role in the challenge) I found myself empathising more with Wilson Fisk than I did the title character of the show, they may need to redress that in series 2.
I resisted a long time before I watched Daredevil, because I was kinda disappointed by the SHIELD show and I stopped watching Jessica Jones half way, but the consistent 5 red star rating on Netflix finally encouraged me to give it a shot. I *LOVED* it. I enjoyed Fisk and his storyline, and I enjoyed Daredevil and his relationship with Claire. The fight scenes are crazy good, but damn, even I have to turn my head sometimes. I was really hoping DD and Claire would make it work. - Oh, and I actually kind of like Karen's weird naivete. I like how the odd couple of Foggy and DD kind of adopted her, like she's Robin to their Batman.
I agree with CBG that this series gets how to do "ground-level" superheroes like DD. I feel this series is better than I expected it to be.
However --
This is the first time I couldn't watch an entire review. First off, Karen did not kill Ben -- Fisk did. Fisk broke into Ben's apt. and killed him. Sure it was because of Ben & Karen's visit to Fisk's mom, but that highlights one of the biggest misinterpretations in this entire review -- every character in this series misjudges the consequences of their actions. The things that Foggy and Karen does are good things. The old woman who refused to leave, it wasn't an issue of ownership, it was an issue of Home. There's reasons why rent control is such a hot topic. Sure Karen deceived Ben when visiting Fisk's mom. But they got lots of info on Fisk and Karen realized how wrong she was to lie to Ben. They made peace. Is it really her fault that nobody realized how psycho Fisk is about his mother? Nobody knew how high the stakes were because Fisk was hiding all the chips, so to speak.
Anyway, Wesley isn't a good guy. At his core he's a very bad man. No matter how well he dressed, or thought of Fisk -- he was just a "gentleman thug" or a arch-henchman for Fisk. Karen really had no choice to kill him, as if she did nothing, Wesley would've killed her. And Wesley was stupid anyway to leave a loaded gun on that table.
I think the biggest issue I have with this, is that everything in Daredevil is in a morally muted grey. There's no black or white of good and evil. That's one of the things I liked about it, but Fisk, Wesley and Vanessa aren't good people. Sure they may be loyal to each other and to their underlings, but get in their way and you're car door jam. Although Matt does kill, he fights that urge and chooses not to kill. In this kind of Noir-ish reality, that makes him a good guy.
Foggy added a lot to the story too. His character arc, while not epic, is solid. He converts a former lover to consider who she's working for (Fisk) and gives her ammo to shoot him down in the legal system. And how he comes to terms with Matt's nocturnal actives was done in a believable way.
All the background and story time devoted to Fisk, rounded him out as a fully fleshed character so he didn't come across as a stereotypical villain. Sure we were meant to feel for him, but not use those feelings to excuse his civilized savagery.
I feel that the main reason why I didn't like this review is that since CBG didn't like the casting, it soured her on those characters and their actions in the story. I find it best to watch adaptations of any kind with a blank slate of expectations. Judge the roles and actors solely in the context of the story they are in, not in how good/bad they are/were in other roles or stories. I was expecting a review, instead I feel I was treated to a rant about how great the Kingpin is and how messed up Foggy and Karen were to get in Fisk's way. That's why I only watched 23 minutes of this diatribe.
But I do like most of CBG's reviews and such, will continue to view them. Every one's entitled to a stinker once in a while.
The beauty of this series is that it fits in with the overall MCU, but unlike AoS, it does not need it to tell a compelling story. It stands alone by itself. In the MCU, there literally are gods among us with global impacts and a simple good vs evil narrative. Daredevil shows that despite the gods among us being our protectors as if we have a special place in the universe, we still have the horrors of evil by other humans. These are real life problems that the Avengers can't simply solve by beating up a bunch of people. We need not only Daredevil, but we also need Matt Murdock. They both help people in such in-depth, involved ways that no Avenger can.
those postits on the door ~ make it look like there are hearts around her.
Fitting with the poster of DD too ~ lots of love around for the show. Lots of love in this review lol.
Hey CBG19, in your opinion, is this finally the golden era of awesome comic book on screen adaptations? With all these movies and series coming out in recent years.
That would be a nice theme to explore in a future show.
For me, a person who never really read comic books because I felt so intimidated by the amount of stuff out there, these series, movies etc have given me motivation to try to read comics finally :)
YES THAT PAINTING!!! The Fisk special episode got me all teared up
Honestly, Kingpin was the thing I disliked the most about the first season. Was so happy he was barely in the second season. Waiting for the strong Fisk I grew up with to make an appearance. Fisk in season 1 was just.. meh.
IIRC the Kingpin outing himself was part of a storyline in the old 90s Spiderman cartoon (in which the Kingpin was one of the main villains)
wow, excellent review cbg19!! great insight. I really appreciated the Wilson Fisk storyline as well!
Insight? All she did was talk about what she did/did not like. She also missed a lot and got a few things blatantly wrong.
I feel like you're wrong about the guy that played Matt Murdock. The guy they got was IT for me
You lost me when you went after the Mrs Cardenas storyline.
They were being strong-armed and they were the consequence of Wilson's actions. That needed to be explored, and it got gruesome, because of course it would be.
It's never to late when ya love cbg19 yay thank you!
Loved your video. Great opinions and some points I didn't consider. This was another slam dunk for netflix. If you've seen it please do a review for another netflix original Sense8. It's another slam dunk in my opinion and I would love to hear your thoughts on it. I think it's a very important show because of the overall message. The first few episodes are slow because it's building up the characters but trust me it gets amazing.
Most superhero stories are actually about the villain. Most of the time a tragedy from the villains perspective. Because the heroes are usually purely reactive, the villains are the ones with the agenda/plan. It is unsurprising that we (almost) root for Fisk because he has a cause, while Matt seems to stumble into things rather than to be in pursuit of a goal.
Also both Scott Summers and Matt Murdock both went "dark" around the same time with Murdock killing Bullseye and temporarily becoming dark daredevil and all uber and empowered with strange dark Hand magicks. Frank and Elektra were integral to helping stop him.
Scott had some of the dark phoenix force, enough to be quite uber himself, killing Prof X in X-men V Avengers. Both events were 2011-2013ish i think.
So....a crossover redemption storyarc with them as a team-up-duo thingy would be interesting.
I know I'm late, but this is the first time I understood people's problems with the supporting cast. I just, can't agree on any of those points. Were it not for those characters, the story would not have been moved forward at all. Both Matt and Uric would have just sat on their asses doing nothing had it not been for those characters. I loves Karen and Foggy's arc in this show because they contributed so much but were clearly so flawed. I understand you have your opinion, but I thought this was the best supporting cast of pretty much any superhero show so far (at least in terms of Netflix series).
Jessica Jones' supporting cast ranged from pointless to uninteresting (with the only exception being Hope and Trish, but Trish felt underused). Luke Cage's supporting cast was fine, but Misty Night was just awful.
Humbly request cbg19 carefully reconsider taking sides too hastily on gentrification side issue. Thanks for altogether interesting video review/opinion piece.
Ya Vincent is great but the character is also so well written, they took the time to develop it. Pretty rare for now days....
Milton2k Ups, never mind you said it better than me. :P
A very insightful, well thought-out review. Great work! I agree with most of your points as well, although I feel a bit more sympathetic towards Karen and Foggy's characters and the intentions behind them (as annoying as I found Foggy at times).