Its pretty simple. You cannot copyright rhythms or drum loops. You can copyright whole beats or riddims only if they are directly sampled. But if you program the rhythm on a drum machine or play the pattern on the drums it is not protected. Steele and Cleavie are only owed by those who have sampled the dembow riddim, but not all the reggaeton stuff that they may have influenced. There is a distinction between copyright and influence
U do understand reggaeton was built from one dancehall rhythm, so if you built it wouldn't you want whats rightfully your hard work. If you think these guys would just come with a lawsuit like that you don't know much about them you should do your research they are the pillars along with Dave Kelly of 90s dancehall.
im fully aware of who they are and what reggaeton was built on but if we are taking about LAW, not all these songs directly sample Fish Market. You can be inspired by drums and rhythms and put your own spin on it like 95% of the people in the lawsuit named did. But if its not directly sampled from the song there is no case here.
If that original drum loop never existed would those artists still have a career? Id say no, personally the industry should just settle out of court pay the man and move on.
The problem is that fish market is not even the first song to have that pattern. They are just the first to say something but by music law there is no way to copyright a drum pattern. Think about it, if an artist was able to do that there wouldn’t be any other musicians in the market place.
Alot of the songs they're mentioning only have similar sounds. They were not sampled and none of them sound exactly like fish market riddim. If that's the case with drum patterns then all of dancehall has royalty checks to be paid as well. This lawsuit is just silly
@StrheatPraafit you might be right but one of these artist could just break them off something out of respect. Like hip hop it's crazy no one ever reaches back to the foundation people of the genres.
Reggaeton beats also derives from the Bam Bam rhythm which was created by Toots and the Maythals . Shakka Demus and plyers, Murder She Wrote, even elements of Cutty Ranks and Ultra records, Dame Tu Cosita in that rhythm.
The Black Panamanian DJ/Producer El General was responsible for being the first to sample the beat pattern from Steely & Clevie's Fish Market track over 20 years ago and after that, the rapper Nore hijacked the Fish Market beat pattern from El General with the song Gasolina and then after that, all of the light-skinned Mistizo Hispanics hijacked the beat pattern from Nore and taken it as their own! It is long overdue that the families of both producers get full compensation for the outright theft of their music creation. and an artist can be sued for copyright infringement of a beat pattern. a prime example is the many rappers that were sued in the 1990s by the original creators of beat patterns that were sampled without record clearance from the originator! All of the Reggaeton tracks that have been produced today are nothing more than samples of the original Fish Market beat pattern that was originally created by Steely & Clevie. the most recent case where a family sued a producer for copyright infringement was Marvin Gaye's family who sued and won their case against the singer Robbin Thicke & producer Pharell for his song Blurred Lines where Pharell unforgivably hijacked the beat pattern of Marvin Gaye's 1977 hit Got To Give It Up. the family of Gaye was awarded $5 million for Pharell's thievery. Reply
I have listened to many of the songs, and the beat is quite similar to the original beat. There is similar, but many of the songs have copied the beat. I dont know the law. But trust me...they are undeniably similar.
@@sazonbooya the first song i listened to after the lawsuit came out was camouflage by daddy yankee. And i observed a sneaky use of the entire rhythm masked under a whole lot more added sounds. Remove the added sounds and you get the entire fish market rhythm. I wouldnt agree with wanting complete ownership of these songs from reggaeton. Agreements can be reached in cases where the courts would have determined copyright breaches.
Inspiration is a slippery slope. reggae came from ska, ska came from American rhythm and blues, American rhythm and blues came from Jazz and blues, blues came from descendants of African hymns. by your thought process everyone here should be sued. no ideas original man 👌
Play Shabba Ranks dem bow can fit on any reggaeton beat and it fits perfectly. The beat its just beat placement . These beat are call tresillo which can be traced all to way back to Africa. Unique things find with the Fish market rhyme versus other kinds of reggaeton rhythm is that same drum with that chanting bass line at the end of section of the drum loop which is coming from that African- Caribbean revival chant.
Lol this is faqs steely and clevie are legends and that beat started reggaeton lol noticed the reggae in ton lol y'all slow the first to do it in Spanish was el general y'all not getting it they heard or know those songs and listened to it growing up lol then they came up with reggae ton after lol there is allot of reggae riddims they could have got inspired by but that beat is the reason they started it all as I said el general was the first to do it then the Latin world copied it I was there when it all started I know where they got the idea from y'all for it all wrong they mainly heard it from super cat he was on the same riddims even if you ask the producers that made the reggae ton back then they would tell you where they got the idea from lol it's in the damn name lol reggae ton lol y'all slow asf To add Jamaica has Spanish people there they live in Spanish town and the super cat song on the same beat that birth the idea of reggae ton is called "am not sure anymore” the shabba ranks song is after that lol
Its pretty simple. You cannot copyright rhythms or drum loops. You can copyright whole beats or riddims only if they are directly sampled. But if you program the rhythm on a drum machine or play the pattern on the drums it is not protected. Steele and Cleavie are only owed by those who have sampled the dembow riddim, but not all the reggaeton stuff that they may have influenced. There is a distinction between copyright and influence
100% the point I was trying to get across ✌🏽
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U do understand reggaeton was built from one dancehall rhythm, so if you built it wouldn't you want whats rightfully your hard work. If you think these guys would just come with a lawsuit like that you don't know much about them you should do your research they are the pillars along with Dave Kelly of 90s dancehall.
im fully aware of who they are and what reggaeton was built on but if we are taking about LAW, not all these songs directly sample Fish Market. You can be inspired by drums and rhythms and put your own spin on it like 95% of the people in the lawsuit named did. But if its not directly sampled from the song there is no case here.
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You sound like a simple person
If that original drum loop never existed would those artists still have a career? Id say no, personally the industry should just settle out of court pay the man and move on.
The problem is that fish market is not even the first song to have that pattern. They are just the first to say something but by music law there is no way to copyright a drum pattern. Think about it, if an artist was able to do that there wouldn’t be any other musicians in the market place.
Alot of the songs they're mentioning only have similar sounds. They were not sampled and none of them sound exactly like fish market riddim. If that's the case with drum patterns then all of dancehall has royalty checks to be paid as well. This lawsuit is just silly
@StrheatPraafit you might be right but one of these artist could just break them off something out of respect. Like hip hop it's crazy no one ever reaches back to the foundation people of the genres.
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Reggaeton beats also derives from the Bam Bam rhythm which was created by Toots and the Maythals . Shakka Demus and plyers, Murder She Wrote, even elements of Cutty Ranks and Ultra records, Dame Tu Cosita in that rhythm.
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drum & bass about to have a bad time if this trend continues lol
Hahah yes
so wack - also so stoked you’re doing these. let’s run these numbers UP
Appreciate it!
They better get ready to open the check book!
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The Black Panamanian DJ/Producer El General was responsible for being the first to sample the beat pattern from Steely & Clevie's Fish Market track over 20 years ago and after that, the rapper Nore hijacked the Fish Market beat pattern from El General with the song Gasolina and then after that, all of the light-skinned Mistizo Hispanics hijacked the beat pattern from Nore and taken it as their own!
It is long overdue that the families of both producers get full compensation for the outright theft of their music creation. and an artist can be sued for copyright infringement of a beat pattern. a prime example is the many rappers that were sued in the 1990s by the original creators of beat patterns that were sampled without record clearance from the originator!
All of the Reggaeton tracks that have been produced today are nothing more than samples of the original Fish Market beat pattern that was originally created by Steely & Clevie. the most recent case where a family sued a producer for copyright infringement was Marvin Gaye's family who sued and won their case against the singer Robbin Thicke & producer Pharell for his song Blurred Lines where Pharell unforgivably hijacked the beat pattern of Marvin Gaye's 1977 hit Got To Give It Up. the family of Gaye was awarded $5 million for Pharell's thievery.
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It was not sampled by shabba. Many persons get permission to record on rhythms. Many persons seek permission to use drum patterns etc.
100% you are right
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James Brown gets paid for drum loops. stop the shenanigans 🤣
Facts of facts
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I have listened to many of the songs, and the beat is quite similar to the original beat. There is similar, but many of the songs have copied the beat. I dont know the law. But trust me...they are undeniably similar.
definitely similar. drum patterns arent protected under law for now. we'll see soon how this turns out
@@sazonbooya the first song i listened to after the lawsuit came out was camouflage by daddy yankee. And i observed a sneaky use of the entire rhythm masked under a whole lot more added sounds. Remove the added sounds and you get the entire fish market rhythm. I wouldnt agree with wanting complete ownership of these songs from reggaeton. Agreements can be reached in cases where the courts would have determined copyright breaches.
@@oneilblake4657That's exactly what I have said. Nobody is taking the reggaeton movemnet. But give credit where credit is due.
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They should create their own music, instead of sampling other artists music! 😡
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They have a strong case
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Just about Every reggaeton use that drum loop which is the base of the rhythm, if you listen them from a distance they all sound like dirtsman.
they definitely similar but its not a direct sample everytime for them to SUE an entire genre.
Of course!!! Reggaeton is reggaeton because of the Jamaican inspiration
Inspiration is a slippery slope. reggae came from ska, ska came from American rhythm and blues, American rhythm and blues came from Jazz and blues, blues came from descendants of African hymns. by your thought process everyone here should be sued. no ideas original man 👌
@@sazonbooyaBut we didn’t ride rhythms or other people’s hard work. Stop being a jerk
You got quite the setup for having barely 1k subscribers
Is that a compliment?
I was wondering what was taking them so long, i
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Super Cat - Nuff Man a Dead, Dem No Worry We ,Don Dada 😱used that same sample on one album smh that’s crazy
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Play Shabba Ranks dem bow can fit on any reggaeton beat and it fits perfectly.
The beat its just beat placement . These beat are call tresillo which can be traced all to way back to Africa. Unique things find with the Fish market rhyme versus other kinds of reggaeton rhythm is that same drum with that chanting bass line at the end of section of the drum loop which is coming from that African- Caribbean revival chant.
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Get ‘em outta here
.02 on the pubs 😂
Heartbreaking beat
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What you don’t not understand.. they were there before you were born before you even new about drumming machines ok😊
Whoooooooooooo??????????
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Deadass buggin 💀
lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Why does it always take so long to get to the point 😂😂😂
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NOT CLEVVVY ITS PRONOUNCED CLEAVIE
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Lol this is faqs steely and clevie are legends and that beat started reggaeton lol noticed the reggae in ton lol y'all slow the first to do it in Spanish was el general y'all not getting it they heard or know those songs and listened to it growing up lol then they came up with reggae ton after lol there is allot of reggae riddims they could have got inspired by but that beat is the reason they started it all as I said el general was the first to do it then the Latin world copied it I was there when it all started I know where they got the idea from y'all for it all wrong they mainly heard it from super cat he was on the same riddims even if you ask the producers that made the reggae ton back then they would tell you where they got the idea from lol it's in the damn name lol reggae ton lol y'all slow asf
To add Jamaica has Spanish people there they live in Spanish town and the super cat song on the same beat that birth the idea of reggae ton is called "am not sure anymore” the shabba ranks song is after that lol
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Bass fool 😂
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Where did you learn that fool they did it.. and you stole
Whooooooooooo?????
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