Hey buddy, you should look up the connection to dorians, thebes, myceneae, thracian linear a and linear b and then go and search how elder futhark looks, I believe that the language of linear a and b are connected to runes look at the cypriotic linear a. We know in scandinavia there was bronze age kings and that we have early Iron age kings that flourished. But few evidence of this in Scandinavia, probably because these people actually migrated from anatolia levant 9000 years ago, then during collapse of minions that volcanic ashe would enter the whole northern hemisphere and create great famine and starvation. The early Dorian and Myceneans and all Greek culture are connected with the Scandinavians Bronze age and god kings of the Ingvaeones such as Freyr and Freya. the same burials were used the same horse culture and tin existed all over the northern hemisphere and Iron is too.
ALSO that DNA Y-dna I1 and I2 are a mix of hunter gatherers from 40000 years ago, and Yamnayan and Anatolian migrations. IJK hablogroups can be found all over the mediterrenean and and anatolia and even levant and middle east. Listen why does no historian who talks about dna ever mention I1 and I2, its because the controversy that it would rewrite history, Because every historians today would have to admit to the fact that a majority of the world came from the northern hemisphere and Abrahamic religions are a creation of old Babylonian, Anatolian and Also Norse/Greek/Germanic/CeltIberian/Gothic mixture. Semitic people are an off shoot group of earlier IJK hablogroups and also Semitic people derive from Phoenecians, Can it be that all these are connected but sometime split into different branches and later on when the fall of Kingdom of Israel and Kingdom of Judea by the Assyrians was also the fall of the Israelite/Samarian Northern levant group while the then split group Judean group is why today Israels religion is Judaism and not their former Israelite polytheistic religion. This Subject is very hard to discuss because today Scandinavian history and culture are being denied as real, and fake scholars are trying to ruin it. Because of the socialist leftist movements. Now Im leftist/Liberal but also proud of our history and I want people especially Jewish people to understand that our pagan relgious roots are connected way back in history but the fact that thx to WW2 and whats been written about the fake Aryan Blonde blue eyed bullshit that never was a thing and Norse occultism never existed in Nazi germany and that the holocaust and all its tragedy is the most atrocious tragedy because its idiots that by nationalsocialist politics and communism in soviet union led to the holocaust of both jews and ruthenian scandinavian ancestors. Israel today has forgotten their connection the the garden of eden in babylon and that Judaism isnt Hebrew/Israelite religion that were polythestic have forgotten their connection to what is today historical lands they came from and also migrated back to in time which dna samples have shown by Israels archealogical institute of northern Israel. Neo nazi and anti semites today need to learn the fucking truth as well, everything in the anatolia, central asia, middle east, Mediterranean and even all the way to India have a common ancestry and that has through time divided into other groups. We should never forget how important our cultural heritage is with India aswell.
The Greeks mean university academics. Unlike scholars today, they were incredibly intelligent and spiritually enlightened. They settle here only after their country has surrendered to the enemy. Their country was Hela or Hela-bima. The word Hela-bima means the land of the Hella people aka Hellas. it is Heladiva to outsiders that means the island of the Hellas. one of their languages is Hela-basa and the other is called Ceynhela but not the present day Sinhala. These two scientific languages are opposite to each other and one can be taken as a positive language and the other becomes negative. Their academics are called Giri in Hela language while the land where the universities are located is known as Giri Rata or Giri-k, (pronounce as Girika) where "k" means land. Even though a small island, Heladiva was the Head state of the Lion Empire (Lion means Hela) which has ruled the entire world twice before. At a time when the power of the empire had waned (about 540 BC), there was another clash with the enemies in Hela-bima. At that moment, they sent their intellectuals to the land near the Mediterranean Sea, which was a vassal kingdom during the previous empire to protect their advanced scientific knowledge. This migration is described clearly in the Mahawansa the great chronicle of Sri Lanka covering a continuous period of over 3000 years. They named the newly migrated land Girik (sound as Giri-ka) meaning the land of academia and later evolved it as Greek and Girica to Greece. At that time Heladiva was ruled under three main divisions called Ruhuna, Pihiti and Maya dividing scientifically on a basis of a special natural force acting on the ground were also based on their educational system. The triple-state used terminologies particular to themselves, a little different from each other so that spiritual development occurs in speaking. Accordingly, Greece was also divided into three parts, Dorians Aeolians and Ionians to maintain the educational methodology. However, they do not appoint a king because it is a colony of Heladiva and they accepted the Emperor of the lion-empire (or King of lion people in Hela-diva) as their king. Helabima was formerly known as Lanka that means heaven. After being captured, enemies destroyed the country and uprooted glorious prosperity turning heaven into hell hence the name Hela or Hella. It is Thambapanni in Pali and Taprobane in Greek; one of the famous word among ancient Grecians. This is how the Sri Lankan words Girik and Hela or Hellas came into the Greek culture. An interesting fact that still, native Sri Lankans call themselves Hela or Hellas and their language is Hela. It is common for the government to use the words Hela-diva and Hela-bima instead of Sri Lanka, especially on national and cultural occasions. In addition to the Sinhala language, the Hela language is also widely used. There are thousands of institutions and several political parties with their names including the word of Hela. Dates of rising and fall of Greek civilisation is nicely concurrent with fluctuations of power of ancient Lankan Empire (lion Empire).In simply Greek words Hellas and Hellenes cited Sri Lanka and its people. We must be careful when reading history books because of so many misinterpretations made by scholars who do not know the language well. For example, Megasthenes Indica does not refer to India but lessons of Earth science wrapped in a nicely crafted story. Similarly, Kamasuthra in India and mural in Pompeii refers to the science of Earth, not lessons of sex as interpreted by western scholars.
Cy. From another lover of ancient history. Kudos on your excellent work. I LOVE your very informative videos and your passion for middle-eastern ancient history. Probably. My FAVORITE history channel these days.
Thanks man, really appreciate the kind words and glad you're into this stuff... motivates me to put out more of it! There's definitely more coming up and if you have any requests, please don't hesitate to email me. All the best for 2021 and stay safe!
"FOUR THOUSAND YEARS OF GREEK HISTORY have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in later stages of their history. The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Byzantine Greeks received on from the Hellenic Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes.” The Greeks and their Heritage, A.J Toynbee, 1st Korais Professor of Greek Studies
@@ninodino444 "After the Empire lost non-Greek speaking territories IN THE 7th AND 8th CENTURIES, Roman, GREEK (if not used in its sense of 'pagan') and Christian became SYNONYMOUS terms, counter-posed to 'foreigner', 'barbarian', 'infidel'. The citizens of the Empire, now predominantly of GREEK ethnicity and language, were often called simply ό χριστώνυμος λαός 'the people who bear Christ's name'." Harrison, Thomas (2002). Greeks and Barbarians. New York: Routledge., p. 268
@@ninodino444 In the "Souda" Lexicon (10th century) Graikos=Hellene and also Graikos=Romaios and in the "Zonaras" Lexicon (12th century) Romaios=Graikos=Hellene and Graikoi (plural) = Hellenes (plural) In other words, according to the Lexica (dictionaries) of that period: Rhomaios (Roman)=Raikos (Greek)=Graikos (Greek)=Hellene (Greek). But then, I guess you don't even have a clue what the Souda and Zonaras Lexica even are..
An excellent book about the period is Travelling Heroes: In the Epic Age of Homer by Robin Lane Fox. It focuses a lot on the importance of the island of Euboea, on which Lefkandi is, in the revival, transformation and spread of Greek culture, trade and the beginnings of Greek colonization around the Mediterranean.
I'm at best an amateur, but I always figured that at least a portion of the 'Sea Peoples' were Mycenean refugees fleeing Greece - whether by Dorian invasion/revolt, climate change or any other as yet hypothesised reason. Great video, I love them all and my dad - a former school teacher - wishes he'd had these sort of resources when he was teaching history back in the 1970s.
Greek writers says that Doreans was the people of king Doros. Doros had father the Hellena and brothers Xuthos and Jonas. Xuthos had sons Aiolos and Acheos. So the Hellenic family tree (after the 4rth cataclism), comes from Doros (Doreans), Jonas (Yunanes), Aiolos (Aioleans) and Acheos (Achaeans). The Dorean dialect is a Greek one with small diferends. (P=F and R=L) and its not mysterious.
@@chrisimos588 yeah and Aeneas founded alba longa just in time for Romulus and Remus to pop by... Come on... I mean I'm looking for narration in a way that modern historiography could agree with. Its differences from Ionian Greeks hasn't been fully explained yet. Wether it's a migration of a class based difference isn't even clear
@@caseyjones6677 I dont know what modern historiography like to agree or not. I just told you that today we know oficialy all the greeks dialects, and Dorean of course is one of them. Spartans speak the dorean dialect, and other greeks. I tell you again, P=F. L=R thats the only diferend in names. Doreans are one of the 4 greek first tribes, named by king Doros. Its not mythology, its mythistory, its the truth.
@@caseyjones6677 if you know greek and especially classical age ancient greek you can easily understand dorean and aeolian. the differences are not many. check on google for the differences, its not a secret.
Haha yeah I'm trying to make it better. I brought down the gain and I think that helps to make a smoother recording. I'll keep working on it though to improve it even more. Thanks so much for the feedback, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
Thanks for the cool video again Cy! This was literally the topic I was talking to about with my history-fan kid - she is only 10 years old but already a lover of all things history like us. I will translate this for her. Thanks!!! And happy new year!!
My pleasure, glad you liked this! Yeah I just do my best to be as balanced as possible because the origins or early history of any people can be a touchy subject. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...all the best for 2021, stay safe!
For sure! Will do one on Athens, Sparta, possibly Thebes, and a few of the cities of Ionia or some colonies across the Mediterranean. Looking forward to putting it all out in 2021! Thanks again for stopping by, stay safe!
I absolutely love your channel but could you please make longer vids even if there only 20 to 30min your content is brilliant, I'd never paid much attention to the older civilisations but after your videos I'm hooked on learning more about sumer, akkad, assyria. Thanks and keep up the good work
Hi, thanks so much for the feedback an the suggestion, really appreciate it! Yes, I will be making a few longer videos - basically one putting all of the history of ancient Mesopotamia and the Near East together - it'll kind of be like an Avengers Infinity War video where all the key players are featured in one big story. The thing is that longer videos take weeks, sometimes over a month to do, even if I focus on one video... with shorter ones I can be more consistent with my released. I have started doing some podcasts which are generally longer. But I will do my best to put out some hour long videos at least every couple of months. Thanks again for the feedback and suggestion, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021 and stay safe!
Sounds amazing I'll look forward to that, totally get what you mean with the shorter vids It might just be me but when I see 10 to 15mins I'm disappointed but if I see 15 to 20 I'm happy. Loved the collaboration with history time BTW absolutely brilliant stuff😁
@@chriswhite4640 Thank you! Yeah it's always fun working with Pete, he's really one of the best in this history space. Thanks again and have a great week!
Great video! It is entirely possible that certain number of population which would later identify as Dorian was already living in Peloponnese and Crete (Homer in Odyssey mentions Dorians among the peoples inhabiting Crete, based on time period about 70 years before Return of Heracleids). Dorian invasion as mass migration almost certainly didn't take place. What's much more likely is limited population movement, such as "Heracleids" with just enough Dorian settlers to establish a few enclaves there (part of Argos, villages in Laconia that would form Sparta, enclave towns in Messenia) that would eventually rival heavily reduced Achaeans throughout Dark and Archaic Ages and eventually prevail in Laconia, Messenia and Argolis.
Yeah definitely, makes a lot of sense! Thanks so much for stopping by and looking for to more vids on your channel. All the best for 2021 and stay safe!
I really like hearing about ancient cultures. I am about to watch and like every video. I have like four RUclips accounts so.. when I have the time on everyone I'm going to like your videos. What you do is greatly appreciated.
Thank you for another very interesting video, Cy! For me the adoption of iron tools and weapons is a source of great curiosity. At the beginning, I was thinking "duh! Iron requires more advanced smelting techniques, but once you get the technology, you can make stronger tools". But then I learnt that, as you say, the main advantage of using Iron was that you don´t depend on a complicated trade network with Copper from Cyprus and Tin from Afghanistan, for example. The Bronze metallurgy was actually quite advanced, and at least in the beginning of the Iron Age, Bronze tools were superior to Iron ones. The main advantage is that iron weaponry was way cheaper and locally sourced, so you could equip many more troops even if you were a small power. I wonder, did the Iron tools start to be used because of the collapse of the Bronze Age trade, making bronze scarce? Or did the development of Iron tools empower these previously unimportant states and gave them the resources to take on the mightier empires? And then, we have the dagger of Tutankamon made out of Iron from a meteorite, that is way off the scale in craziness. As a Mechanical Engineer, the perception and use of different metals throughout history fascinates me. And let's not even discuss about when Napoleon III's most expensive cutlery was made of aluminium (not proven, though)
Hi, thanks so much for stopping by! Yes, I do think that the Bronze Age collapse had something to do with it. It seems that despite the breakdown of many societies in the near east at the time, it appears that the further away you go from the eastern Mediterranean, especially eastward past the Zagros mountains, bronze was still very common in many societies. Some say that this was because those peoples/societies were not as technologically advanced, which may be true, but I also believe that they had access to more abundant supplies of copper and tin vs the Aegean/Eastern Mediterranean regions, and so they could continue to use bronze as a metal of choice; those further to the west no longer had this luxury. In those days, international trade was much easier between large states and empires. However, shortly after the Bronze Age collapse, this became much harder, less lucrative and more dangerous - to go from say Babylon to Miletos, a trading caravan would now have to pass through umpteen little kingdoms and petty states, each with their own rules, taxes for passage etc. When you had a large empire, you didn’t have this issue as for the most part, trade policy was more uniform within the state and thus, commodities such as metals and ores could get from one end to the other relatively easily. You also had garrisons at various trade hubs and fortresses whose goal was to protect trade routes. Before this though, my understanding is that there were quite a few factors for the slow adoption of iron tools and weapons. Like you said, initially they were not as strong as bronze and the quality varied greatly depending on the metal smith and purity of the ore. Also, due to the limited availability of tin, bronze was prized amongst the upper echelons of society - the rulers, generals, elites -even priests desired bronze for ceremonial objects - it just looked nicer in comparison to clunky iron objects. So not only was it a better, stronger metal, but also a status symbol. This changed when the system that kept such people, for example a Mycenaean wanax, broke down. Like you said, more men could be equipped with iron weapons and to my understanding, it is also much lighter than bronze, so that coupled with the ability to mass produce it I believe made it the go-to metal post-Bronze Age collapse. Also, once you start creating stronger iron alloys and eventually early types steel, then the allure of bronze weapons quickly fades as these can cut through it much easier. Just my thoughts based on what I’ve read, I’m definitely not an expert though it is a very interesting topic! Hope all is well on your end and that you have a great New Year! All the best for 2021, appreciate all of the support and most importantly, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy wow, Cy, thank you so much for your insight! I didn't know that in the areas east of the Mediterranean iron adoption took longer. It makes sense, as you say, if we consider the lighter impact that the bronze age era collapse had on them. Regarding the weight of the metals: although bronze is denser than iron, it would be a bit tough to make a direct judgement. You want to compare weapons or armour that provide the same level of protection or endurance. In the case of a helmet, I would expect that you would need to use more material than if it was made out of bronze, for example. A spearhead, instead, is just a block of metal, so there you can save weight using iron. And then you have all sorts of things in between, like swords. Thank you again for giving me your opinion on the matter! Have a great start of 2021!
@@elguido Same to you, all the best for 2021 and thanks for the info, I definitely need to learn more about the materials used in ancient weapons and their effectiveness. Stay safe!
Absolutely intriguing and bizarre at the same time. Blows my mind that we haven't been able to piece together what the hell happened across such a wide area. I mean that's some pretty heavy stuff. A thriving culture ......and many of it's cities destroyed by fire......the inhabitants scattering like ants in a brush fire......and to the often treacherous sea's no less.....causing the collapse of other well established cultures across those waters. Think I recall hearing that a plague had taken many of the last ruling Hittite family during it's demise. Wonder if it was a plague that started it all. People seem to think fire is the answer in that situation often throughout history.......burn it all down ..... run away and start somewhere new. If it was invader's......you'd think they would have invaded .....taken what they could and stayed to possess their gains. Sounds like fearful maddened masses running from they don't know what. Think I'm leaning towards a plague started it. Wish I had a couple lifetime's to dig in the dirt and try to find out.
Lezione e' davvero fantastica! Quanto mi dispiace che mio inglese non e' cosi' buono per capire tutto che dici, pero' con le imagini e i cappolaviri eccezionali che ci mostri mi entusiasmo lo stesso. Anche se ho visto tanti capolavori sulle lezioni di storia dell' altre che ho avuto solo un anno e poi alla televisiine italiana di notte tardissima sullo ottimo canale Rai Storia ho visto tutte le lezioni di storia dell' arte che facevano i migliori professori italiani della storia dell' arte, e anche se guardo e leggo ogni volta quando mi capita sulla storia dell' arte, nelle tue lezioni trovo sempre altri capolavori mai visti prima di quell' epoca e sento le cose che nom ho sentito mai prima. Davvero eccezionale, non si devono perdere queste lezioni. Mi fa molto piacere che ci sono le aziende che ti danno supporto, sono inteligenti, hanno capito quanto e' importante e interessante quello che fai e con quale professionalita' e entusiaamo.lo fai. Ti auguro tanto successo nel prossimo anno.
Haha non preoccuparti, l'arte, fotos e mappe dicono più delle mie parole. La storia in TV non è più così bella. Questo è il motivo per cui penso che RUclips sia migliore. Più persone e varietà su RUclips. Grazie e buon anno!
Another great video from Cy! Regarding the Dorian invasion or migration hypothesis, here in Greece, we learned in school that it happened (that is when I was at school in the 80's and 90's), but that is almost certainly wrong. Based on what I understand, I believe it was probably a combination, maybe a small scale migration / invasion, maybe some sort of revolt... I also do have the feeling, though I cannot point to any evidence, that stories like Hercules's are some sort of "memory" from that time, mythologised after centuries. Maybe Hercules was a famous king or an amalgamation of several kings or warlords and his story shows the gradual progression from a mercenary or vassal to an independent leader... This is of course on very thin ground, it's just a personal feeling I have.
Hi, thanks so much for stopping by and sorry for the late response! Yeah, I agree with you that may of these myths are based in some truth or historical events. For examples, there was likely a real person/king/warrior named Herakles who must have been quite a charismatic person during his day, but over time, especially when such things weren't being written down, the story got distorted morphed into what it is today. I've this pattern in the myths of many peoples...it's definitely very interesting when you delve further into these things. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come for sure, keep well and stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy It's always fascinating to me to think that if I had a time machine I could probably travel to a time and place far far in the past and maybe see Hercules, Samson, Gilgamesh or the other heros of ancient mythologies. Just as simple humans. Maybe, just maybe... Maybe also some guy named Zeus or some lady named Hera or Artemis, who also got mythologised and became the basis for some God... Let's not forget that, as you said, myths were practically how many cultures kept their history. Stories that were being told again and again through generations and places, changed to fit the era or a political or other narrative and finally "frozen" when, after many years, someone wrote them down. Once again, great videos!
@@markospoulios8128 Yeah agreed. I'm going to try explore this theme on a podcast on the Epic of Gilgamesh in a few months, and I'm sure that it will have many parallels to Greek and other mythologies. Thanks again for stopping by and your comments, really appreciate them... stay safe!
Who were the other two tribes? Did each tribe have their own cultural preferences, forms of government (democracy, oligarchy, tyranny etc.) and other distinguishing features? My impressions; Dorians -farmers, land based, oligarchic, inward looking. Ionians -fishing, trade, sea-based, democratic, outward looking. ? ? Generalities. Lots of over-lap and variations.
And what about Pelasgians, there's a opinion that they were non-Indo-European and natives more before Achean Mycenians came and found Mycena, Yonians were mainly majority in Athens, and Minor Asian Carians and Lelegs in Corinth and Corinthian Gulf...
It's interesting that the Odyssey tells of many of the Greek leaders during the Trojan War either dying or falling to ruin, and Athena wishing to punish the Greeks for the sack of Troy. Maybe after the real version of the Trojan War the Mycenaean Greeks came home only for everything to unravel into chaos.
I've always suspected that the advent of iron weapons was involved in the widespread societal collapse of this era. That iron wasn't just some random innovation that happened to immediately follow it.
Homer says that iron was exist before 1300 b.c., but Greeks dont used it for war becouse of religion. It was a material only for farming and farmers by the Goads given. A diferend theory support that the farmers make revolution against kings and there familys, thats why most of the people of knowlege was die. Propobly the slaves-farmers make iron weapons and wellcoming the armys of Troy back to Greece.
@@jangofett6022 Herodotus is the father of history. Before him people talk and song myths, but there is some truth in to them. In 2 diferent cases Homer speaks about iron, so they knew it, but they dont do weapons from that.Thats not a myth. o.k.?
@@jangofett6022 Ναι φυσικά και γνωρίζω, όλα είναι προς συζήτηση. Το μέγα ερώτημα είναι το ιστορικό κενό της μετάβασης από την ανακτορική εποχή στην πόλη-κράτος. Από την Γραμμική Β στα Γράμματα και την Γεωμετρική περίοδο. Η υπόθεση που αναφέρω είναι σχετική με αυτό, επανάσταση: ένας από τους πιθανούς λόγους που κατέρρευσε ο Μυκηναϊκός. Ο.κ.?
Thanks man, really appreciate it! You know I was just thinking, it's about time since I something new on Elam...maybe in the next few months. Hope all is well, all the best for 2021 and stay safe!
Well, inward production processes, a stemming of international trade and increasingly decentralized government. We can prob rule out major influence from an Ancient Monetary Fund.
Haha really, they still have computer voices? I thought RUclips automatically deletes a video if the system detects such a thing. Haha for better or for worse, you're stuck with my voice. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it... stay safe and all the best for 2021!
Perhaps we should see Mycenae and the other cities as a social system with tribal roots, the one that collapsed was the social organization of copper that was hierarchically structured, the collapse may have had many causes but the main one was that the new technology of iron did not he needed the old structures.
Great vid; is it me or does the object shown in the mycenaean gold and bone photo resemble the prow of a sea peoples ship shown in your sea peoples episode?
Cy, where do you find the images of the archeological artifacts? And how do you know so much of them? I've never seen anyone show that many of them on youtube, documentary or text-book, and without even mentioning it. And happy 2021!
Hi, hope all is well and Happy New Year! Oh, for artifacts, the originals for most of them are from the various museum sites that are cited in the captions below them, then I often edit them in Photoshop. Many of the more famous ones I've seen in the past, but the museum websites also give descriptions of what they are, where they came from and how old they are. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks, hope your 2021 got off to a great start and stay safe!
"GREEKS, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ETHNIC CONTINUITY since despite massive cultural changes over the centuries key identifying components such as name, customs, language and territorial association were broadly maintained and reproduced for MILLENNIA" Anthony D Smith, Anthropologist, Emeritus professor of Nationalism and Ethnicity
@@jaif7327 Greek Philosophy had a huge impact in Christian Thought. Christian theology without Greek philosophy would be something totally different from what it eventually came to be, if it it would have made any impact at all! Apart from that, the New Testament was originally written in Greek (surely 3 out of the 4 gospels), while Greek-Orthodox Christianity still carries a huge amount of customs and traditions from the ancient Greco-roman world. A very simple example is that in Greece people always believed and still believe in countless saints, while praying and kissing their Icons. Some renovate Mary the mother of Jesus even above Jesus himself. Not all that Jewish or generally truly monotheistic really eh? It's obviously not the same religion, but there are huge continuities from the ancient Hellenic polytheistic to the latter supposed monotheistic religion. "John goes much further, grafting onto the story not only the divinity of Jesus as the Christ (an element which emerges only slowly in the development of early Christianity) but also the identification between Christ and the divine Logos (meaning ' word ' , ' reason ' , or ' account '). This was a Christian extension of an idea that had been explored in a long philosophical tradition that went back via the Stoics to Plato , and ultimately to Heraclitus seven hundred years earlier" Roderick Beaton, "The Greeks: a global history", New York: Basic books 2021, pp 212
@@jaif7327 Now read what actual reliable legit expert sources like Anthony D. Smith (the father of Nationality and Ethnicity studies) and Arnold J. Toynbee (one of the greatest and most celebrated historians of the 20th century) have stated on the subject: "Indeed, Smith emphasizes that the myth of divine election sustains the continuity of cultural identity, and, in that regard, has enabled certain pre-modern communities such as the Jews, Armenians, and GREEKS TO SURVIVE AND PERSIST OVER CENTURIES AND MILLENNIA" (Smith 1993: 15-20) Guibernau, Montserrat; Hutchinson, John, eds. (2004). History and National Destiny: Ethnosymbolism and its Critics. Oxford: Wiley-Blackwell., p. 23 "After the Ottoman conquest in 1453, recognition by the Turks of the Greek millet under its Patriarch and Church helped to ensure the persistence of a separate ethnic identity, which, even if it did not produce a "precocious nationalism" among the Greeks, provided the later Greek enlighteners and nationalists with a cultural constituency fed by political dreams and apocalyptic prophecies of the recapture of Constantinople and the restoration of Greek Byzantium and its Orthodox emperor in all his glory." Anthony D Smith 2003, p. 98
@@jaif7327 ”Few, however, of the peoples that possess distinctive identities today have had as long a history as the Greeks, if we interpret history as meaning, not simply chronological duration of existence, but continuity which has never ceased to be recognized and to be remembered." A.J.Toynbee,1st Korais Professor of Greek Studies "FOUR THOUSAND YEARS OF GREEK HISTORY have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in later stages of their history. The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Byzantine Greeks received on from the Hellenic Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes.” The Greeks and their Heritage, A.J Toynbee, 1st Korais Professor of Greek Studies
Haha thanks, I'd like to think I've learned a bit more about video production since then... the last time I saw one of my early videos I cringed! Anyway, thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
This is quite welll presented given that English doesn't seem to be the narrator's native language. I'd tone down the music though; at times it can get very loud relative to the narrator's voice.
It's interesting that you didn't use the date 1177 BC as the date that the Bronze Age collapse took place. A lot of youtubers use this date because of the book by Eric Cline. Cline himself admits this is a very fluid date, but it is popularly used by now.
Yeah I look at the Bronze Age collapse as really a series of events that occurred over a few decades, not so much one cataclysmic event. For example, if we're talking about Mycenaean cities, they started being put to the torch around 1190 BC whereas other cities such as Ugarit or the fall of Hattusa came a bit later. I believe that all of these were monumental events with regard to the late Bronze Age collapse, so to me it doesn't make sense to limit it to one single year - a span of time, say from 1200-1150 BC I think is better. Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021 and stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy yes. That is exactly what eric cline said. And he also said you can't pin it down to one thing. It was really a collapse of the system rather than a single cause.
@@bredmond812 yup, totally agree! It's a good title for a book though as it makes one think "hmm, what happened in 1177 BC that I don't know about?" I like his book , but there are other great ones too.
@@bredmond812 Yeah I think it's a good introduction for people who are interested in history but don't have much knowledge of that particular region (eastern Mediterranean) during that time period. Most of the book actually doesn't even deal with the collapse itself but is more of a background to the various civilizations who ended up being affected by it. So for example, if you don't know much about the Egyptian New Kingdom or have never heard of places such as Ugarit or Hattusa, his book will introduce you to them. But again, there are other great books on the subject that I'd also recommend.
I have the dumb theory that iron was their version of nukes, but instead of restraining themselves like we have until now, they did fall to the "nuclear option" of iron weapon fuelled self-destructing.
I think the only thing you missed is that the Greek Dark age is more frequently referred to as the Early Iron Age, seeing as it was not a complete dark age. :)
Great point! That's just what the scholars call it because of the lack of written texts from the period but you're right, now we know and are continuing to learn that there was a lot going on during that time. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! More on the way, stay tuned and safe!
Here’s a test question: If I say the Trojan war occurred in the late thirteenth century bc., would I more likely be referring to the 1220s bc., or to the 1280s bc.?
1220s BC. Since 1280 BC is earlier in the timeline, it'd be considered early 13th century BC. It's confusing sometimes but I just think of dates as a linear line and that helps me. Thanks for watching!
The greek dark ages were apparently so bad, that the later greeks believed their gods and heroes roamed the Earth during the micenean age. Micenean greece was basicaly the "romanticized fallen Rome" of the European reneissance, before Rome was even a thing. It's kinda cool to think about this and see how certain things about humanity never truly changed, the "longing for a supposed better and idillic past that we have never even experienced" being one of them. I do wonder if future humans will share a similar feeling about our times. Maybe they will romanticize our simpler lives and how we marveled and fantacized about the countless misteries of the universe. Who knows 🤷
No worries man, more of it on the way. I'm trying to bring Greek history to the same time period as I am with Persian history, since the next one will be on Darius the Great which will be a good segue in the Greco-Persian wars. Stay tuned my friend, it's all coming up in 2021! Stay safe!
Wait, don’t the stories of Agamémnōn’s life kind of say what happened during their collapse? His father was disposed, he and his brother were exiled, they come back later to reconquer their land. Then they go on to the Trojan war.
nice vid, like always, BUT It's not better to spend more time on our own culture I mean just search Geek to 10M vids be suggested to you but search Akkad, Sumer, or Elam you can barley find more than 10 videos look all I say is They propagate their civilization enough we sure should do the same too. you're the best 👍👍
dorian world was not only sparta just sparta know many foreigners from the movies and thermopylae. dorian world was equally strong and populated to the others, ionians and aeolians. also they had different aspect of life as philosophy.
@50 seconds into the video: The timeline for the destruction of southern regions of Greece is documented in several independent historic records - the cause of the destruction is also documented - which means theories, opinions, etc., are irrelevant.
Hi, thanks so much for the feedback... yeah, sound has not always been my strongpoint. I did listen to the video again and I couldn't find anything very noticeable. Do you remember approximately where the glitching occurred? If not, no worries I'll try to see what I do to improve future videos. Thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy it's all over the video, very noticeable when wearing headphones. It's sometimes some static, but the most confusing part is that every few seconds one of the two stereo channels skips out, which is very disorienting with headphones. I would say it's most likely an issue while recording or during audio compression. Should be very visible in audacity if you look at the two stereo channel waves separately (at best they should contain nearly the same waves).
@@EmanuelMay Hmm, thanks for the feedback and info. Lately what I've been doing is running the audio file through Adobe Audition to take out any pops out...hmm, I wonder if that's the case with older videos. Maybe I should just run it all through Adobe Premiere like in the past. I'll also listen to it with headphones since I usually don't. Thanks again, really appreciate the feedback as it'll help to make these videos much better in the future. Thanks and stay safe!
Foreign words in language is commonplace and has roots in trade as opposed to invasion. According to modern and ancient evidence the Doeians were not an advance society that left many permanent markers. This is also co.monpkace throught ancient history. I'll take the ancient viewpoint since they were not far removed as opposed to some people staring at rocks or artifacts and creating stories in order to justify the Grant's they received to conduct their digs in the first place. This video seems to ignore this potential bias while highlighting beliefs in the ulterior motives or ancient scholars. Even though most of our historical analysis is based upon the criteria established by these ancient scholars. It oy abounds!
The Collapse of Mycenaean Greece into the Greek Dark Ages....seem to be comparable to the Fall of Rome in 476 AD in terms of effect on the known world. I have noticed a striking similarity to that when a great civilization falls, it causes a domino effect that effects the entire known world at it's time. Take for the Fall of Rome in 476AD. It had such a significant effect that most of Western Civilization fell into a Dark Age that lasted until the Renaissance Period. The only civilization that wasn't truly effected by this Dark Age was the Eastern Roman Empire aka the Byzantine Empire. And that's because ERE aka Byzantines was essentially eastern half of the Roman Empire that survived the Fall of Rome and they had with them...all the technologies, medicines, and etc that was lost when Rome fell. In fact to the Byzantines, THEY WERE the Romans. And still called themselves Romans all the way to the Fall of Constantinople in 1456 AD. It wasn't until hundreds of years later that scholars "coined" the term Byzantine or Byzantium to separate Classical Romans from Medieval Romans to tell the difference between the Roman Empire's two eras of their civilization. I draw this comparison because it seems the Mycenaean Greek Empire was the height of civilization that influenced the known world at it's time and many civilizations fell due to this. Unfortnately, we dont have the luxury of knowing all the details of what caused the Fall of Mycenaen Greece like we did when Rome fell and caused that Dark Age. But we know it happened. When Alexander the Great's Hellenistic Empire fell after his death at the age of 32, Western Civilization dodged a bullet of falling into another Dark Age because luckily, we had the rise of the Roman Empire following right after it to pick up the pieces of Alexander's empire. Even the remnants of Alexander's empire fought against the Romans mulitple times before it was fully absorbed into the Roman Republic/Empire such as the Pyrrhic War and the Macedonian Wars. As Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius quoted: "Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future too."
I'm still betting on the Cosmic Dragon (comet) and its tail (debris) wiping out (in the 23rd and then 12th centuries b.c.) these civilizations. Very nice video as usual.
In some lesser known literature, the "Nostoi" (the Homecomers, Pronunciation= Nosti, since "oi" is probably pronounced as "e/i"), the adventures of the Troya-heroes are described when arriving back home... There is several patterns: Their queen-wifes have boyfriends, and murder the heros upon arriving home. Or, the hero ridicules himself in front of the public, and loses all his crdedibility/trustworthiness. From then on, either his power is very shaky, or he loses all his power. In other cases, the public doesn´t recognize the authority of the hero, cause he was absent for 10 years at least, and exile him. Anyway, althought one could say that these stories were simply written by women, trying to ridicule men and their faible for decades-long-war, it may also mean, that after Troy, there was a general crisis of authority. One should also keep in mind, that not all warriors left their wifes home: The wealthiest ones (aristocracy) knew they would find new wifes along the raids to and around Troy, had families during the war, while the poorest ones probably also couldn´t take their wifes with them at all (lacking all means), and sometimes founded new families during the war. But most of the middle-abled ones took their wifes with them to the Trojan war... So, the most educated wifes, that could have been capable to write such stories, were belonging to the class (middleclass) that wasn´t left alone back home, and shouldn´t have felt angry/motivated enough to write such stories, always supposing, the queens themselves did have such motivation, but were a too small population, that female authors arose only from women, that have been queens earlier... So, I guess, men wrote these stories, and are witness of a general crisis of the authorities...
The Greeks mean university academics. Unlike scholars today, they were incredibly intelligent and spiritually enlightened. They settle here only after their country has surrendered to the enemy. Their country was Hela or Hela-bima. The word Hela-bima means the land of the Hella people aka Hellas. it is Heladiva to outsiders that means the island of the Hellas. one of their languages is Hela-basa and the other is called Ceynhela but not the present day Sinhala. These two scientific languages are opposite to each other and one can be taken as a positive language and the other becomes negative. Their academics are called Giri in the Hela language while the land where the universities are located is known as Giri Rata or Giri-k, (pronounce as Girika) where "k" means land. Even though a small island, Heladiva was the Head state of the Lion Empire (Lion means Hela) which has ruled the entire world twice before. At a time when the power of the empire had waned (about 540 BC), there was another clash with the enemies in Hela-bima. At that moment, they sent their intellectuals to the land near the Mediterranean Sea, which was a vassal kingdom during the previous empire to protect their advanced scientific knowledge. This migration is described clearly in the Mahawansa the great chronicle of Sri Lanka covering a continuous period of over 3000 years. They named the newly migrated land Girik (sound as Giri-ka) meaning the land of academia and later evolved it as Greek and Girica to Greece. At that time Heladiva was ruled under three main divisions called Ruhuna, Pihiti and Maya dividing scientifically on a basis of a special natural force acting on the ground were also based on their educational system. The triple-state used terminologies particular to themselves, a little different from each other so that spiritual development occurs in speaking. Accordingly, Greece was also divided into three parts, Dorians Aeolians and Ionians to maintain the educational methodology. However, they do not appoint a king because it is a colony of Heladiva and they accepted the Emperor of the lion-empire (or King of lion people in Hela-diva) as their king. Helabima was formerly known as Lanka that means heaven. After being captured, enemies destroyed the country and uprooted glorious prosperity turning heaven into hell hence the name Hela or Hella. It is Thambapanni in Pali and Taprobane in Greek; one of the famous word among ancient Grecians. This is how the Sri Lankan words Girik and Hela or Hellas came into the Greek culture. An interesting fact that still, native Sri Lankans call themselves Hela or Hellas and their language is Hela. It is common for the government to use the words Hela-diva and Hela-bima instead of Sri Lanka, especially on national and cultural occasions. In addition to the Sinhala language, the Hela language is also widely used. There are thousands of institutions and several political parties with their names including the word of Hela. Dates of rising and fall of Greek civilisation is nicely concurrent with fluctuations of power of ancient Lankan Empire (lion Empire).In simply Greek words Hellas and Hellenes cited Sri Lanka and its people. We must be careful when reading history books because of so many misinterpretations made by scholars who do not know the language well. For example, Megasthenes Indica does not refer to India but lessons of Earth science wrapped in a nicely crafted story. Similarly, Kamasuthra in India and murals in Pompeii refers to the science of Earth, not lessons of sex as interpreted by western scholars.
Could the god-like Alexander of Macedon have anything to do with that? The depictions of sex you cite seem rather explicit. "Spread the limbs, plant the seed," yea, of course. Thanks for your comment. I like the idea of close relationship between these ancient cultures.
@@andywomack3414 Thanks for your reply. I think it is needed to clarify a little more about my opinion on the depiction of sex otherwise someone can be misunderstood. The murals at the Pompeii depict nothing about love or sex but the planetary science of the Earth. In ancient time it is common to use language tactics like this by Hela people to pass a message publicly. Mainly they use these tactics to ensure the secrecy of the message and language secrets in a society where there are enemies. There were two main ethnic groups in the ancient world: one is the lion people (Hela People) and the outsiders to them. It is obvious that in the ancient world all the wars have been erupted among only these two groups: always against each other but sometimes living in peace even in the same society. It is very clear that in such an instant the frescoes had been depicted. When outsiders read the details of the picture in the fullest sense of what they seeing, the hidden message of truth is at once given to those who know the secrets of the Hela language. The lion people (Hela people) had such amazing linguistic knowledge but others did not. Decades ago, when a groom first came to see a bride in our Hela society in Sri Lanka, he was subjected to seven language tests to prevent outsiders from entering Hela families. However, it is not fair to discuss further because others do not know the theory behind my clarifications. The inverse posture of the mating couple gives the meaning that the earth is going upward which was denoted by ascending node sign(inverse of the descending node) in ancient celestial maps. According to ancient Hela people in Sri Lanka, the earth is moving up and down along an inclined orbital path. The message relevant to earth science like thus in brief: the forces already acting vertically upward and spinning of the electron cloud just faded out trying to reinstate around the lava ball at the Centre of the Earth. That means there is more possibility to erupt the volcano. Events like this usually occur at the end of the second week of April and October. The chain of nuclear process relevant to this case is represented by the other murals on the walls in the area. This is the science of natural nuclear binding energy or "Ra" science according to Hellas. Surely, enough warning may have been given to citizens by then experts for their evacuation. It is a common practice for Hela people that presenting a big theory wrapped with a beautifully crafted story. An oil lamp with a winged phallus discovered from Pompeii gives the same meaning. Similar effigies of the phallus can be seen in the area where earthquake and volcano eruptions occur in Nepal and Japan. If we adopt the same process directly to the society the secret message would be like this: "surrounding and further tightening is going on. The state is seemingly collapsing. More people are gathering. The country is being isolated. It is nearly to end power and dignity. And all those actions are maintaining coolly (within their society)". It seems that the surrendered people were struggling secretly for freedom. Those people may be lion people because only they had so-called advanced scientific knowledge and language tactics in the ancient world. Indeed, it is the magical power of the Hela language (it is Hellenic to the modern world). It is unfair to nestle such an advanced technology of ancients into a brothel house by modern intellectuals. Also, the Bible should be read in the Hela language. See Moses' book of Acts. The staff is first mentioned in the Book of Exodus (chapter 4, verse 2) "when God appears to Moses in the burning bush. ... Moses and Aaron appear before the pharaoh when Aaron's rod is transformed into a serpent. The pharaoh's sorcerers are also able to transform their own rods into serpents, but Aaron's swallows them.” The word serpent is known as Naga in the Hela language and the rod is called the Yasti. Their apparent meaning, as above, is also used in Hela as serpent and rod. But in the Hela language, their secret meaning is as follows. “When the royal family was killed and the people were brutally crushed, God commanded ........... Moses and Aaron went before Pharaoh and challenged him to use force to liberate the people, and the people stood with him. Aaron used his power to free his people and to gather them together. Then Pharaoh led his people into battle. But the people of Aron suppressed it by inciting them to fight.” Indeed, it is more descriptive than I said. I will write later, a few lines about Alexander the Great.
At this point we have genetic, archeological, and written evidence that at least some of the Sea people were Greeks (either Mycenaeans or the ones that destroyed Mycenae). However, it seems like too much of a coincidence that the Greek marauders that destroyed the Mycenaean civilization immediately contacted and joined other marauders coming through at the same that also wanted to, and were entirely capable of, destroying entire civilizations. Doesn’t it seem a lot more likely that the Sea People were originally the marauders of Greece who then convinced different ethnic groups across Asia Minor to join them? Come to think of it, I wonder if there were any others at all. If I’m not mistaken, the formation of multiple primitive and entirely different cultures & ethnic groups coming together is historically quite uncommon, and there is no written evidence of it here other than a foreign account that might’ve just been speculating or even exaggerating the size of the invasion, let alone no genetic or archeological evidence.
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It should be called the Dork Ages because the Dorks were in charge and they created the Dork order which was awful and everybody said oh my Gods these guys are all a bunch of Dorks! During the Dark ages people couldn't read and write because it was dark and they couldn't see. Homer was blind so he didn't know it was dark so he recalled the Golden Age before the Dorks took over and ruined everything.
We will NEVER know anything for certain when it comes to these matters. Your pot looks like their pots proves nothing - you saw their pots and copied them or you brought the same pot making ability to somewhere new or you and they both thought the handles on pots should go on the sides at the top. Also, the civilisations that put their handles in the middle at the base most probably died out due to famine caused by dropping pots. It´s all potty!
So the ancient Greeks said it was the Dorian's that destroyed Mycenae civilization... The Egyptians said it was the sea people (which included the Dorian's) that almost destroyed them and said that they had destroyed every other civilization around them... And all at the same time all the city's in the ancient world in that region all were burnt down and destroyed to the ground... Why can't these people that make these videos just say what the Egyptian and Greek historian's written down by both of them and said that the "SEA PEOPLE" caused the bronze age collapse... Even if there was a world famine and earthquakes and volcanoes erupting everywhere that didn't cause the collapse... Country's didn't go to war with each other and their citizens didn't revolt against their government's... We have no evidence that famines, earthquakes, and volcanoes weakened the ancient world of that time that allowed the Sea People to overrun almost every ancient nation but even if it was true that the world was weak from all those problems it was "STILL" the SEA PEOPLE that took out Civilizations regardless if the world was in bad shape at that time or not.... So I just don't understand why some historian's won't just come to the obliviously reasonable conclusion that Sea People cause the bronze age collapse...
There is a group of people living in Gilan north of Iran known as Gilaks, as you can see there are similarities between Gilaki and Gallic (Irish,Welsh..) languages Gilaki: Khakhor / 🏴 Khwaer (written Khwahar) Gilaki: Small: Pach/ 🏴 Fach Gilaki: Breast: Chiche/ 🇮🇪 Chíche Gilaki: Boy: Rika 🏴 Rocyn (Rokin) Gilaki: Chicken: Kerk/ 🏴 Cearc ( Kerk) Unlike Persian and Italian which show more similarities in the basic words comparing to Greek 🇮🇷 🇮🇹 / 🇬🇷 Mother: Madar madre/ μητέρα (Mitera) Father: Pedar padre / πατέρας (Patera) Boy/Son: Pur, Puer ( Latin) /αγόρι (Agori) Water: Ab, Abba (Sardinian)/ νερό (neró) What : Che Che /τι (Ti) Also Che Chizi , Che Cosa Who : Ki Chi /που (Pou) Inside: Andar, Entro/ μέσα(mésa) How much: Chand, Quanto / πόσο (Póso) Small: Khord, Corto / μικρό (Mikró) Thing : Chiz, Cosa /πράγμα (prágma) Young: Javan Giovane /νέος (Neos) Dead: Morde. Morto/νεκρός (Negros) Cat: Pishi & Gorbe, Gurpe (Fox in Sardinian)/Γάτα(Gáta) Liver: Jegar ، Jecur(Latin) /συκώτι(Sykoti) Cheekbone: Gune, Gena (Latin)/ζυγωματικό(Zygomatikó) Kiss: Buse, Bacio/ φιλί (Filí) Lip: Lab, Labbro/ χείλος (Cheílos) Throat: Galu, Gola / λαιμός (laimós) Breast: Sine , Seno/ στήθος (Stíthos) And it can’t be coincidence, due to the other similarities between the cultures like Nowruz bal in Gilaki and Beltane in Galik we may conclude that these people share the same root. About the similarities between Persian and Italian i have no idea. Maybe ancient Greeks too used to live in north of Iran near province of Gilan, a province known as Mazandaran (maybe related to Mycenaean) then they migrated to Balkan, some artifacts have been found in the province similar to Greek culture in Marlik, also according to Greeks there was a tribe known as Amazons,maybe this is also related to the name of Mazandaran ( Amazon and Mazan ) because Amazons and Greeks used to live nearby. There are some places in Mazandaran that have similar name to ancient Greek gods like Zanos, Neka, Chalus (maybe related to Achelous) , Astra .. After migrating from Mazandaran to Gilan they settled near the Caspian sea, according to Herodotus there was a tribe known as Geloni who spoke a language mix of Greek and Iranic. In Gilaki like Greek the word for Girl is Kor and as mentioned above Gilaki have similarities with Gallic languages. the word Greek itself maybe related to Gleek and Gallic, as the name of the country is Hellada or in its correct form Galata (as you know it’s located in Turkey, G -> H , T -> D ) which clearly shows the wave of migration from Iran to Turkey then to Balkan. But western scholars prefer closing their eyes on these basic and simple facts.
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Have some fun and test your knowledge of the collapse of Mycenean civ and the onset of the Dark Age with this quiz: bit.ly/3aTOMJG
Hey buddy, you should look up the connection to dorians, thebes, myceneae, thracian linear a and linear b and then go and search how elder futhark looks, I believe that the language of linear a and b are connected to runes look at the cypriotic linear a. We know in scandinavia there was bronze age kings and that we have early Iron age kings that flourished. But few evidence of this in Scandinavia, probably because these people actually migrated from anatolia levant 9000 years ago, then during collapse of minions that volcanic ashe would enter the whole northern hemisphere and create great famine and starvation. The early Dorian and Myceneans and all Greek culture are connected with the Scandinavians Bronze age and god kings of the Ingvaeones such as Freyr and Freya. the same burials were used the same horse culture and tin existed all over the northern hemisphere and Iron is too.
ALSO that DNA Y-dna I1 and I2 are a mix of hunter gatherers from 40000 years ago, and Yamnayan and Anatolian migrations. IJK hablogroups can be found all over the mediterrenean and and anatolia and even levant and middle east. Listen why does no historian who talks about dna ever mention I1 and I2, its because the controversy that it would rewrite history,
Because every historians today would have to admit to the fact that a majority of the world came from the northern hemisphere and Abrahamic religions are a creation of old Babylonian, Anatolian and Also Norse/Greek/Germanic/CeltIberian/Gothic mixture. Semitic people are an off shoot group of earlier IJK hablogroups and also Semitic people derive from Phoenecians, Can it be that all these are connected but sometime split into different branches and later on when the fall of Kingdom of Israel and Kingdom of Judea by the Assyrians was also the fall of the Israelite/Samarian Northern levant group while the then split group Judean group is why today Israels religion is Judaism and not their former Israelite polytheistic religion.
This Subject is very hard to discuss because today Scandinavian history and culture are being denied as real, and fake scholars are trying to ruin it. Because of the socialist leftist movements. Now Im leftist/Liberal but also proud of our history and I want people especially Jewish people to understand that our pagan relgious roots are connected way back in history but the fact that thx to WW2 and whats been written about the fake Aryan Blonde blue eyed bullshit that never was a thing and Norse occultism never existed in Nazi germany and that the holocaust and all its tragedy is the most atrocious tragedy because its idiots that by nationalsocialist politics and communism in soviet union led to the holocaust of both jews and ruthenian scandinavian ancestors.
Israel today has forgotten their connection the the garden of eden in babylon and that Judaism isnt Hebrew/Israelite religion that were polythestic have forgotten their connection to what is today historical lands they came from and also migrated back to in time which dna samples have shown by Israels archealogical institute of northern Israel.
Neo nazi and anti semites today need to learn the fucking truth as well, everything in the anatolia, central asia, middle east, Mediterranean and even all the way to India have a common ancestry and that has through time divided into other groups. We should never forget how important our cultural heritage is with India aswell.
The Greeks mean university academics. Unlike scholars today, they were incredibly intelligent and spiritually enlightened. They settle here only after their country has surrendered to the enemy. Their country was Hela or Hela-bima. The word Hela-bima means the land of the Hella people aka Hellas. it is Heladiva to outsiders that means the island of the Hellas. one of their languages is Hela-basa and the other is called Ceynhela but not the present day Sinhala. These two scientific languages are opposite to each other and one can be taken as a positive language and the other becomes negative. Their academics are called Giri in Hela language while the land where the universities are located is known as Giri Rata or Giri-k, (pronounce as Girika) where "k" means land. Even though a small island, Heladiva was the Head state of the Lion Empire (Lion means Hela) which has ruled the entire world twice before. At a time when the power of the empire had waned (about 540 BC), there was another clash with the enemies in Hela-bima. At that moment, they sent their intellectuals to the land near the Mediterranean Sea, which was a vassal kingdom during the previous empire to protect their advanced scientific knowledge.
This migration is described clearly in the Mahawansa the great chronicle of Sri Lanka covering a continuous period of over 3000 years.
They named the newly migrated land Girik (sound as Giri-ka) meaning the land of academia and later evolved it as Greek and Girica to Greece. At that time Heladiva was ruled under three main divisions called Ruhuna, Pihiti and Maya dividing scientifically on a basis of a special natural force acting on the ground were also based on their educational system.
The triple-state used terminologies particular to themselves, a little different from each other so that spiritual development occurs in speaking. Accordingly, Greece was also divided into three parts, Dorians Aeolians and Ionians to maintain the educational methodology. However, they do not appoint a king because it is a colony of Heladiva and they accepted the Emperor of the lion-empire (or King of lion people in Hela-diva) as their king. Helabima was formerly known as Lanka that means heaven. After being captured, enemies destroyed the country and uprooted glorious prosperity turning heaven into hell hence the name Hela or Hella. It is Thambapanni in Pali and Taprobane in Greek; one of the famous word among ancient Grecians. This is how the Sri Lankan words Girik and Hela or Hellas came into the Greek culture. An interesting fact that still, native Sri Lankans call themselves Hela or Hellas and their language is Hela. It is common for the government to use the words Hela-diva and Hela-bima instead of Sri Lanka, especially on national and cultural occasions. In addition to the Sinhala language, the Hela language is also widely used. There are thousands of institutions and several political parties with their names including the word of Hela. Dates of rising and fall of Greek civilisation is nicely concurrent with fluctuations of power of ancient Lankan Empire (lion Empire).In simply Greek words Hellas and Hellenes cited Sri Lanka and its people. We must be careful when reading history books because of so many misinterpretations made by scholars who do not know the language well. For example, Megasthenes Indica does not refer to India but lessons of Earth science wrapped in a nicely crafted story. Similarly, Kamasuthra in India and mural in Pompeii refers to the science of Earth, not lessons of sex as interpreted by western scholars.
this has a virus!!!!
Anyone who says BCE is pathetic.
2:35 am
Perfect time for a Cy video! 🙌🏾
Thanks! 2:35 AM? That's dedication! Thanks man, really appreciate it! Stay safe!
Another great episode Cy!
Gotta love Greece, such a rich history & culture.
Cy. From another lover of ancient history. Kudos on your excellent work. I LOVE your very informative videos and your passion for middle-eastern ancient history. Probably. My FAVORITE history channel these days.
Thanks man, really appreciate the kind words and glad you're into this stuff... motivates me to put out more of it! There's definitely more coming up and if you have any requests, please don't hesitate to email me. All the best for 2021 and stay safe!
"FOUR THOUSAND YEARS OF GREEK HISTORY have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in later stages of their history. The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Byzantine Greeks received on from the Hellenic Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes.”
The Greeks and their Heritage, A.J Toynbee, 1st Korais Professor of Greek Studies
That’s a lotta greeks 🙃
Most Byzantine dynasties were not Greeks
What are you talking about Byzantines were Roman …. That shows that they called themselves „Roman“ and not Byzantine’s
@@ninodino444 "After the Empire lost non-Greek speaking territories IN THE 7th AND 8th CENTURIES, Roman, GREEK (if not used in its sense of 'pagan') and Christian became SYNONYMOUS terms, counter-posed to 'foreigner', 'barbarian', 'infidel'. The citizens of the Empire, now predominantly of GREEK ethnicity and language, were often called simply ό χριστώνυμος λαός 'the people who bear Christ's name'."
Harrison, Thomas (2002). Greeks and Barbarians. New York: Routledge., p. 268
@@ninodino444 In the "Souda" Lexicon (10th century) Graikos=Hellene and also Graikos=Romaios
and in the "Zonaras" Lexicon (12th century) Romaios=Graikos=Hellene and Graikoi (plural) = Hellenes (plural)
In other words, according to the Lexica (dictionaries) of that period: Rhomaios (Roman)=Raikos (Greek)=Graikos (Greek)=Hellene (Greek).
But then, I guess you don't even have a clue what the Souda and Zonaras Lexica even are..
An excellent book about the period is Travelling Heroes: In the Epic Age of Homer by Robin Lane Fox. It focuses a lot on the importance of the island of Euboea, on which Lefkandi is, in the revival, transformation and spread of Greek culture, trade and the beginnings of Greek colonization around the Mediterranean.
You're killing it, Cy! Another great episode
Thanks man, really appreciate the feedback and kind words! Happy New Year and stay safe! All the best for 2021!
I'm at best an amateur, but I always figured that at least a portion of the 'Sea Peoples' were Mycenean refugees fleeing Greece - whether by Dorian invasion/revolt, climate change or any other as yet hypothesised reason. Great video, I love them all and my dad - a former school teacher - wishes he'd had these sort of resources when he was teaching history back in the 1970s.
Give us more Dorian hypothesis!!! Such a mysterious dialect and people...
Sure, I'll look into it! Thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021 and stay safe!
Greek writers says that Doreans was the people of king Doros. Doros had father the Hellena and brothers Xuthos and Jonas. Xuthos had sons Aiolos and Acheos. So the Hellenic family tree (after the 4rth cataclism), comes from Doros (Doreans), Jonas (Yunanes), Aiolos (Aioleans) and Acheos (Achaeans). The Dorean dialect is a Greek one with small diferends. (P=F and R=L) and its not mysterious.
@@chrisimos588 yeah and Aeneas founded alba longa just in time for Romulus and Remus to pop by... Come on... I mean I'm looking for narration in a way that modern historiography could agree with. Its differences from Ionian Greeks hasn't been fully explained yet. Wether it's a migration of a class based difference isn't even clear
@@caseyjones6677 I dont know what modern historiography like to agree or not. I just told you that today we know oficialy all the greeks dialects, and Dorean of course is one of them. Spartans speak the dorean dialect, and other greeks. I tell you again, P=F. L=R thats the only diferend in names. Doreans are one of the 4 greek first tribes, named by king Doros. Its not mythology, its mythistory, its the truth.
@@caseyjones6677 if you know greek and especially classical age ancient greek you can easily understand dorean and aeolian. the differences are not many. check on google for the differences, its not a secret.
So pleased you got your mic sorted, it makes the listening experience much better, and another well presented video, thanks!
Haha yeah I'm trying to make it better. I brought down the gain and I think that helps to make a smoother recording. I'll keep working on it though to improve it even more. Thanks so much for the feedback, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
You too buddy! 👍
Man im learning about some parts of ancient greek history i never knew about. awesome video dude :)
Another great video, Cy! Thanks!😁👍
Thanks my friend, hope all's well on your end, all the best for 2021!
Thanks for the cool video again Cy! This was literally the topic I was talking to about with my history-fan kid - she is only 10 years old but already a lover of all things history like us. I will translate this for her. Thanks!!! And happy new year!!
Greetings, Cy. Great video. You are a delight. Be safe. be kind. Be you.
This is such a frustrating topic for Historians, and you did a great job of walking through it!
My pleasure, glad you liked this! Yeah I just do my best to be as balanced as possible because the origins or early history of any people can be a touchy subject. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it...all the best for 2021, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy Blessed Be!
Fantastic video yet again. Keep up your great work, and i look forward to the videos on some individual city states!
For sure! Will do one on Athens, Sparta, possibly Thebes, and a few of the cities of Ionia or some colonies across the Mediterranean. Looking forward to putting it all out in 2021! Thanks again for stopping by, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy and rhodes too, yeah? I dont mean to be annoying about it, i guess im just anxious for that one 😅
@@Number1Irishlad For sure, I'll look into as I think I have enough material to make an episode on it. Thanks for the suggestion, stay safe!
Cyyyyyyyyy! Wassup I'm happy your still making videos I love your conent your channel is a historytard gold mine!
I absolutely love your channel but could you please make longer vids even if there only 20 to 30min your content is brilliant, I'd never paid much attention to the older civilisations but after your videos I'm hooked on learning more about sumer, akkad, assyria. Thanks and keep up the good work
Hi, thanks so much for the feedback an the suggestion, really appreciate it! Yes, I will be making a few longer videos - basically one putting all of the history of ancient Mesopotamia and the Near East together - it'll kind of be like an Avengers Infinity War video where all the key players are featured in one big story. The thing is that longer videos take weeks, sometimes over a month to do, even if I focus on one video... with shorter ones I can be more consistent with my released. I have started doing some podcasts which are generally longer. But I will do my best to put out some hour long videos at least every couple of months.
Thanks again for the feedback and suggestion, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021 and stay safe!
Sounds amazing I'll look forward to that, totally get what you mean with the shorter vids It might just be me but when I see 10 to 15mins I'm disappointed but if I see 15 to 20 I'm happy. Loved the collaboration with history time BTW absolutely brilliant stuff😁
@@chriswhite4640 Thank you! Yeah it's always fun working with Pete, he's really one of the best in this history space. Thanks again and have a great week!
👍👍👍 Happy new year Cy🥂
Thanks man, same to you and yours! May 2021 rock! Stay safe!
Great video! It is entirely possible that certain number of population which would later identify as Dorian was already living in Peloponnese and Crete (Homer in Odyssey mentions Dorians among the peoples inhabiting Crete, based on time period about 70 years before Return of Heracleids). Dorian invasion as mass migration almost certainly didn't take place. What's much more likely is limited population movement, such as "Heracleids" with just enough Dorian settlers to establish a few enclaves there (part of Argos, villages in Laconia that would form Sparta, enclave towns in Messenia) that would eventually rival heavily reduced Achaeans throughout Dark and Archaic Ages and eventually prevail in Laconia, Messenia and Argolis.
Yeah definitely, makes a lot of sense! Thanks so much for stopping by and looking for to more vids on your channel. All the best for 2021 and stay safe!
I really enjoyed this one! Looking forward to the next video
I really like hearing about ancient cultures. I am about to watch and like every video. I have like four RUclips accounts so.. when I have the time on everyone I'm going to like your videos. What you do is greatly appreciated.
Great stuff as always, vibrant and concise. Looking forward to future installments in this city.
For sue, can't wait to put out future episodes for you all. All the best for 2021, stay safe!
Excellent work as always Cy!
Thanks my friend, glad you enjoyed this! More on ancient Greece coming soon, stay tuned and safe!
Thank you for another very interesting video, Cy!
For me the adoption of iron tools and weapons is a source of great curiosity. At the beginning, I was thinking "duh! Iron requires more advanced smelting techniques, but once you get the technology, you can make stronger tools". But then I learnt that, as you say, the main advantage of using Iron was that you don´t depend on a complicated trade network with Copper from Cyprus and Tin from Afghanistan, for example. The Bronze metallurgy was actually quite advanced, and at least in the beginning of the Iron Age, Bronze tools were superior to Iron ones. The main advantage is that iron weaponry was way cheaper and locally sourced, so you could equip many more troops even if you were a small power.
I wonder, did the Iron tools start to be used because of the collapse of the Bronze Age trade, making bronze scarce? Or did the development of Iron tools empower these previously unimportant states and gave them the resources to take on the mightier empires?
And then, we have the dagger of Tutankamon made out of Iron from a meteorite, that is way off the scale in craziness. As a Mechanical Engineer, the perception and use of different metals throughout history fascinates me. And let's not even discuss about when Napoleon III's most expensive cutlery was made of aluminium (not proven, though)
Hi, thanks so much for stopping by! Yes, I do think that the Bronze Age collapse had something to do with it. It seems that despite the breakdown of many societies in the near east at the time, it appears that the further away you go from the eastern Mediterranean, especially eastward past the Zagros mountains, bronze was still very common in many societies. Some say that this was because those peoples/societies were not as technologically advanced, which may be true, but I also believe that they had access to more abundant supplies of copper and tin vs the Aegean/Eastern Mediterranean regions, and so they could continue to use bronze as a metal of choice; those further to the west no longer had this luxury. In those days, international trade was much easier between large states and empires. However, shortly after the Bronze Age collapse, this became much harder, less lucrative and more dangerous - to go from say Babylon to Miletos, a trading caravan would now have to pass through umpteen little kingdoms and petty states, each with their own rules, taxes for passage etc. When you had a large empire, you didn’t have this issue as for the most part, trade policy was more uniform within the state and thus, commodities such as metals and ores could get from one end to the other relatively easily. You also had garrisons at various trade hubs and fortresses whose goal was to protect trade routes.
Before this though, my understanding is that there were quite a few factors for the slow adoption of iron tools and weapons. Like you said, initially they were not as strong as bronze and the quality varied greatly depending on the metal smith and purity of the ore. Also, due to the limited availability of tin, bronze was prized amongst the upper echelons of society - the rulers, generals, elites -even priests desired bronze for ceremonial objects - it just looked nicer in comparison to clunky iron objects. So not only was it a better, stronger metal, but also a status symbol.
This changed when the system that kept such people, for example a Mycenaean wanax, broke down. Like you said, more men could be equipped with iron weapons and to my understanding, it is also much lighter than bronze, so that coupled with the ability to mass produce it I believe made it the go-to metal post-Bronze Age collapse. Also, once you start creating stronger iron alloys and eventually early types steel, then the allure of bronze weapons quickly fades as these can cut through it much easier.
Just my thoughts based on what I’ve read, I’m definitely not an expert though it is a very interesting topic! Hope all is well on your end and that you have a great New Year! All the best for 2021, appreciate all of the support and most importantly, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy wow, Cy, thank you so much for your insight!
I didn't know that in the areas east of the Mediterranean iron adoption took longer. It makes sense, as you say, if we consider the lighter impact that the bronze age era collapse had on them.
Regarding the weight of the metals: although bronze is denser than iron, it would be a bit tough to make a direct judgement. You want to compare weapons or armour that provide the same level of protection or endurance. In the case of a helmet, I would expect that you would need to use more material than if it was made out of bronze, for example. A spearhead, instead, is just a block of metal, so there you can save weight using iron. And then you have all sorts of things in between, like swords.
Thank you again for giving me your opinion on the matter! Have a great start of 2021!
@@elguido Same to you, all the best for 2021 and thanks for the info, I definitely need to learn more about the materials used in ancient weapons and their effectiveness. Stay safe!
thank you for your great work!
Thanks, really appreciate feedback. More on ancient Greece and other civilizations coming up, stay tuned and all the best for 2021!
Another great video, thank you
Hyper interesting, thank u!
Always a pleasure, thank you! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
Great story mankind is always moving around making history that much more interesting to decipher if that's even possible 👍 keep it up.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed this and stay tuned for more Greek and related history!
Excellent!
I wish 2021 was better than 2020, but if anything is was the same if not worse, hope you have fun talking about that in 15 years
Oooh what’s this? A new Cy video...and a quiz? Imma inject straight into my veins!
Yeah man I know the feeling, the study of history for me is like a drug... hope you enjoyed it, more to come in 2021, stay safe!
Great work
Thanks, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
Great Stuff Cy. Yet again. Can you please make a video on the rise and fall of Ugarit? There's not a lot of info on it.
Great suggestion, it's on the list! Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
I love this channel so much
@2:45,
I've heard one theory from Giota Detsi on Quora that the Dorians were Hellenized Minoans.
Absolutely intriguing and bizarre at the same time. Blows my mind that we haven't been able to piece together what the hell happened across such a wide area. I mean that's some pretty heavy stuff. A thriving culture ......and many of it's cities destroyed by fire......the inhabitants scattering like ants in a brush fire......and to the often treacherous sea's no less.....causing the collapse of other well established cultures across those waters. Think I recall hearing that a plague had taken many of the last ruling Hittite family during it's demise. Wonder if it was a plague that started it all. People seem to think fire is the answer in that situation often throughout history.......burn it all down ..... run away and start somewhere new. If it was invader's......you'd think they would have invaded .....taken what they could and stayed to possess their gains. Sounds like fearful maddened masses running from they don't know what. Think I'm leaning towards a plague started it. Wish I had a couple lifetime's to dig in the dirt and try to find out.
Lezione e' davvero fantastica! Quanto mi dispiace che mio inglese non e' cosi' buono per capire tutto che dici, pero' con le imagini e i cappolaviri eccezionali che ci mostri mi entusiasmo lo stesso. Anche se ho visto tanti capolavori sulle lezioni di storia dell' altre che ho avuto solo un anno e poi alla televisiine italiana di notte tardissima sullo ottimo canale Rai Storia ho visto tutte le lezioni di storia dell' arte che facevano i migliori professori italiani della storia dell' arte, e anche se guardo e leggo ogni volta quando mi capita sulla storia dell' arte, nelle tue lezioni trovo sempre altri capolavori mai visti prima di quell' epoca e sento le cose che nom ho sentito mai prima. Davvero eccezionale, non si devono perdere queste lezioni. Mi fa molto piacere che ci sono le aziende che ti danno supporto, sono inteligenti, hanno capito quanto e' importante e interessante quello che fai e con quale professionalita' e entusiaamo.lo fai. Ti auguro tanto successo nel prossimo anno.
Haha non preoccuparti, l'arte, fotos e mappe dicono più delle mie parole. La storia in TV non è più così bella. Questo è il motivo per cui penso che RUclips sia migliore. Più persone e varietà su RUclips. Grazie e buon anno!
@@HistorywithCy
Si, hai raggione per tutto. Tuo italiano e' devo dire ottimo.
Buon Anno a te! Tanti auguri e saluti,
This is so well done.. thanks a lot
Ah a nice short video during my lunch break. How convenient, thanks
Thanks, and hope it made the food easier to digest lol. Thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
Love it!
Thanks!
Another great video from Cy! Regarding the Dorian invasion or migration hypothesis, here in Greece, we learned in school that it happened (that is when I was at school in the 80's and 90's), but that is almost certainly wrong.
Based on what I understand, I believe it was probably a combination, maybe a small scale migration / invasion, maybe some sort of revolt...
I also do have the feeling, though I cannot point to any evidence, that stories like Hercules's are some sort of "memory" from that time, mythologised after centuries. Maybe Hercules was a famous king or an amalgamation of several kings or warlords and his story shows the gradual progression from a mercenary or vassal to an independent leader... This is of course on very thin ground, it's just a personal feeling I have.
Hi, thanks so much for stopping by and sorry for the late response! Yeah, I agree with you that may of these myths are based in some truth or historical events. For examples, there was likely a real person/king/warrior named Herakles who must have been quite a charismatic person during his day, but over time, especially when such things weren't being written down, the story got distorted morphed into what it is today. I've this pattern in the myths of many peoples...it's definitely very interesting when you delve further into these things.
Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come for sure, keep well and stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy It's always fascinating to me to think that if I had a time machine I could probably travel to a time and place far far in the past and maybe see Hercules, Samson, Gilgamesh or the other heros of ancient mythologies. Just as simple humans. Maybe, just maybe...
Maybe also some guy named Zeus or some lady named Hera or Artemis, who also got mythologised and became the basis for some God...
Let's not forget that, as you said, myths were practically how many cultures kept their history. Stories that were being told again and again through generations and places, changed to fit the era or a political or other narrative and finally "frozen" when, after many years, someone wrote them down.
Once again, great videos!
@@markospoulios8128 Yeah agreed. I'm going to try explore this theme on a podcast on the Epic of Gilgamesh in a few months, and I'm sure that it will have many parallels to Greek and other mythologies. Thanks again for stopping by and your comments, really appreciate them... stay safe!
You da man Cy
Thanks my friend, glad you're into these! More on Greece and other areas to come, stay safe!
Thanks Cy we love you
Love you and all my viewers, you all rock!! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
Dorians was one of four Greek Tribes , from this tribe came the Spartans and the Macedonians
Who were the other two tribes? Did each tribe have their own cultural preferences, forms of government (democracy, oligarchy, tyranny etc.) and other distinguishing features?
My impressions;
Dorians -farmers, land based, oligarchic, inward looking.
Ionians -fishing, trade, sea-based, democratic, outward looking.
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Generalities. Lots of over-lap and variations.
And what about Pelasgians, there's a opinion that they were non-Indo-European and natives more before Achean Mycenians came and found Mycena, Yonians were mainly majority in Athens, and Minor Asian Carians and Lelegs in Corinth and Corinthian Gulf...
And epirus
@@gerillazack77 they mist likely got assimilated
I'm a bit late but at least I'm starting the year with a great video.
My pleasure, glad you liked this! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy Thanks, you too!
It's interesting that the Odyssey tells of many of the Greek leaders during the Trojan War either dying or falling to ruin, and Athena wishing to punish the Greeks for the sack of Troy. Maybe after the real version of the Trojan War the Mycenaean Greeks came home only for everything to unravel into chaos.
I've always suspected that the advent of iron weapons was involved in the widespread societal collapse of this era. That iron wasn't just some random innovation that happened to immediately follow it.
Homer says that iron was exist before 1300 b.c., but Greeks dont used it for war becouse of religion. It was a material only for farming and farmers by the Goads given. A diferend theory support that the farmers make revolution against kings and there familys, thats why most of the people of knowlege was die. Propobly the slaves-farmers make iron weapons and wellcoming the armys of Troy back to Greece.
@@jangofett6022 Ela gia pes
@@jangofett6022 Herodotus is the father of history. Before him people talk and song myths, but there is some truth in to them. In 2 diferent cases Homer speaks about iron, so they knew it, but they dont do weapons from that.Thats not a myth. o.k.?
@@jangofett6022 Ναι φυσικά και γνωρίζω, όλα είναι προς συζήτηση. Το μέγα ερώτημα είναι το ιστορικό κενό της μετάβασης από την ανακτορική εποχή στην πόλη-κράτος. Από την Γραμμική Β στα Γράμματα και την Γεωμετρική περίοδο. Η υπόθεση που αναφέρω είναι σχετική με αυτό, επανάσταση: ένας από τους πιθανούς λόγους που κατέρρευσε ο Μυκηναϊκός. Ο.κ.?
Nice
Always want to be the first to comment on your posts.
Now I succeeded
Merry Christmas
Thanks man, really appreciate it! You know I was just thinking, it's about time since I something new on Elam...maybe in the next few months. Hope all is well, all the best for 2021 and stay safe!
Well, inward production processes, a stemming of international trade and increasingly decentralized government. We can prob rule out major influence from an Ancient Monetary Fund.
im so glad ,no computer voice.
Haha really, they still have computer voices? I thought RUclips automatically deletes a video if the system detects such a thing. Haha for better or for worse, you're stuck with my voice. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it... stay safe and all the best for 2021!
The adoption of iron by the remnants of Mycaneans: another example of dark times producing important technological advancements
Or the technological advancement contributing to the dark times.
Wow very interesting.
Thanks, glad you liked it! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
Perhaps we should see Mycenae and the other cities as a social system with tribal roots, the one that collapsed was the social organization of copper that was hierarchically structured, the collapse may have had many causes but the main one was that the new technology of iron did not he needed the old structures.
Great vid; is it me or does the object shown in the mycenaean gold and bone photo resemble the prow of a sea peoples ship shown in your sea peoples episode?
Cy, where do you find the images of the archeological artifacts? And how do you know so much of them? I've never seen anyone show that many of them on youtube, documentary or text-book, and without even mentioning it. And happy 2021!
Hi, hope all is well and Happy New Year! Oh, for artifacts, the originals for most of them are from the various museum sites that are cited in the captions below them, then I often edit them in Photoshop. Many of the more famous ones I've seen in the past, but the museum websites also give descriptions of what they are, where they came from and how old they are. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks, hope your 2021 got off to a great start and stay safe!
"GREEKS, Persians, Chinese and Japanese could be cited as examples of ETHNIC CONTINUITY since despite massive cultural changes over the centuries key identifying components such as name, customs, language and territorial association were broadly maintained and reproduced for MILLENNIA"
Anthony D Smith, Anthropologist, Emeritus professor of Nationalism and Ethnicity
I disagree with persians and greeks. both religions are different now and their culture is much different
I disagree with persians and greeks. both religions are different now and their culture is much different
@@jaif7327 Greek Philosophy had a huge impact in Christian Thought. Christian theology without Greek philosophy would be something totally different from what it eventually came to be, if it it would have made any impact at all! Apart from that, the New Testament was originally written in Greek (surely 3 out of the 4 gospels), while Greek-Orthodox Christianity still carries a huge amount of customs and traditions from the ancient Greco-roman world. A very simple example is that in Greece people always believed and still believe in countless saints, while praying and kissing their Icons. Some renovate Mary the mother of Jesus even above Jesus himself. Not all that Jewish or generally truly monotheistic really eh? It's obviously not the same religion, but there are huge continuities from the ancient Hellenic polytheistic to the latter supposed monotheistic religion.
"John goes much further, grafting onto the story not only the divinity of Jesus as the Christ (an element which emerges only slowly in the development of early Christianity) but also the identification between Christ and the divine Logos (meaning ' word ' , ' reason ' , or ' account '). This was a Christian extension of an idea that had been explored in a long philosophical tradition that went back via the Stoics to Plato , and ultimately to Heraclitus seven hundred years earlier"
Roderick Beaton, "The Greeks: a global history", New York: Basic books 2021, pp 212
@@jaif7327 Now read what actual reliable legit expert sources like Anthony D. Smith (the father of Nationality and Ethnicity studies) and Arnold J. Toynbee (one of the greatest and most celebrated historians of the 20th century) have stated on the subject:
"Indeed, Smith emphasizes that the myth of divine election sustains the continuity of cultural identity, and, in that regard, has enabled certain pre-modern communities such as the Jews, Armenians, and GREEKS TO SURVIVE AND PERSIST OVER CENTURIES AND MILLENNIA"
(Smith 1993: 15-20)
Guibernau, Montserrat; Hutchinson, John, eds. (2004). History and National Destiny: Ethnosymbolism and its Critics. Oxford: Wiley-Blackwell., p. 23
"After the Ottoman conquest in 1453, recognition by the Turks of the Greek millet under its Patriarch and Church helped to ensure the persistence of a separate ethnic identity, which, even if it did not produce a "precocious nationalism" among the Greeks, provided the later Greek enlighteners and nationalists with a cultural constituency fed by political dreams and apocalyptic prophecies of the recapture of Constantinople and the restoration of Greek Byzantium and its Orthodox emperor in all his glory."
Anthony D Smith 2003, p. 98
@@jaif7327 ”Few, however, of the peoples that possess distinctive identities today have had as long a history as the Greeks, if we interpret history as meaning, not simply chronological duration of existence, but continuity which has never ceased to be recognized and to be remembered."
A.J.Toynbee,1st Korais Professor of Greek Studies
"FOUR THOUSAND YEARS OF GREEK HISTORY have produced four Greek heritages, each of which has had an effect on the life of the Greeks in later stages of their history. The Hellenic Greeks received a heritage from the Mycenean Greeks, the Byzantine Greeks received on from the Hellenic Greeks, the Modern Greeks have received one heritage from the Byzantines and a second from the Hellenes.”
The Greeks and their Heritage, A.J Toynbee, 1st Korais Professor of Greek Studies
From your first video and now your voice changed so much it's like you were a teenager and now you're an adult
Haha thanks, I'd like to think I've learned a bit more about video production since then... the last time I saw one of my early videos I cringed! Anyway, thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
thanks mate
My pleasure, glad you liked this! All the best for 2021, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy thanks mate and Happy New Year to you as well
This is quite welll presented given that English doesn't seem to be the narrator's native language. I'd tone down the music though; at times it can get very loud relative to the narrator's voice.
I believe that the large population of Mycenaeans had migrated away from Greece and so their wasn’t enough Mycenaeans to control Greece
Are there any videos on ancient Armenian civilization
There is one on the Kingdom of Urartu from about two years ago. You might find that one interesting. Thanks for watching!
what happened to acheans?
It's interesting that you didn't use the date 1177 BC as the date that the Bronze Age collapse took place. A lot of youtubers use this date because of the book by Eric Cline. Cline himself admits this is a very fluid date, but it is popularly used by now.
Yeah I look at the Bronze Age collapse as really a series of events that occurred over a few decades, not so much one cataclysmic event. For example, if we're talking about Mycenaean cities, they started being put to the torch around 1190 BC whereas other cities such as Ugarit or the fall of Hattusa came a bit later. I believe that all of these were monumental events with regard to the late Bronze Age collapse, so to me it doesn't make sense to limit it to one single year - a span of time, say from 1200-1150 BC I think is better.
Thanks again for stopping by, really appreciate it! All the best for 2021 and stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy yes. That is exactly what eric cline said. And he also said you can't pin it down to one thing. It was really a collapse of the system rather than a single cause.
@@bredmond812 yup, totally agree! It's a good title for a book though as it makes one think "hmm, what happened in 1177 BC that I don't know about?" I like his book , but there are other great ones too.
@@HistorywithCy is it good? i have never even read it. I just watch him talk on youtube videos. LUL
@@bredmond812 Yeah I think it's a good introduction for people who are interested in history but don't have much knowledge of that particular region (eastern Mediterranean) during that time period. Most of the book actually doesn't even deal with the collapse itself but is more of a background to the various civilizations who ended up being affected by it. So for example, if you don't know much about the Egyptian New Kingdom or have never heard of places such as Ugarit or Hattusa, his book will introduce you to them. But again, there are other great books on the subject that I'd also recommend.
Looking forward to when One Piece fans come here in a couple years.
I've noticed you prefer BC to BCE. Good for you!
He asked which is preferred that's the real good for him
Why? The fictional birth of a man shouldn’t have anything to do with categorizing time periods. Hence why academics no longer use BC.
@@parisite99 oh look it's an insecure atheist troll. Like we haven't seen that on the internet before
BCE and BC are stupid change my mind
@@parisite99 common era means literally nothing
Can you be my 6th grade teacher. Love this vid.
I have the dumb theory that iron was their version of nukes, but instead of restraining themselves like we have until now, they did fall to the "nuclear option" of iron weapon fuelled self-destructing.
I think the only thing you missed is that the Greek Dark age is more frequently referred to as the Early Iron Age, seeing as it was not a complete dark age. :)
Great point! That's just what the scholars call it because of the lack of written texts from the period but you're right, now we know and are continuing to learn that there was a lot going on during that time. Thanks for stopping by, really appreciate it! More on the way, stay tuned and safe!
@@HistorywithCy oh I've subscribed immediately! Great channel 😁
Here’s a test question: If I say the Trojan war occurred in the late thirteenth century bc., would I more likely be referring to the 1220s bc., or to the 1280s bc.?
1220s BC. Since 1280 BC is earlier in the timeline, it'd be considered early 13th century BC. It's confusing sometimes but I just think of dates as a linear line and that helps me.
Thanks for watching!
It’s a call to reunite the Spartans.
The greek dark ages were apparently so bad, that the later greeks believed their gods and heroes roamed the Earth during the micenean age.
Micenean greece was basicaly the "romanticized fallen Rome" of the European reneissance, before Rome was even a thing.
It's kinda cool to think about this and see how certain things about humanity never truly changed, the "longing for a supposed better and idillic past that we have never even experienced" being one of them.
I do wonder if future humans will share a similar feeling about our times.
Maybe they will romanticize our simpler lives and how we marveled and fantacized about the countless misteries of the universe.
Who knows 🤷
We need more persian history 💪🇮🇷🦁,Who agrees with me
@@dr.floridaman4805 Persia is still a cool name 😂, we need more wars that the persian 😂 empires won
No worries man, more of it on the way. I'm trying to bring Greek history to the same time period as I am with Persian history, since the next one will be on Darius the Great which will be a good segue in the Greco-Persian wars. Stay tuned my friend, it's all coming up in 2021! Stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy great I can't wait to see it ♥️🇮🇷♥️
Wait, don’t the stories of Agamémnōn’s life kind of say what happened during their collapse? His father was disposed, he and his brother were exiled, they come back later to reconquer their land. Then they go on to the Trojan war.
nice vid, like always, BUT It's not better to spend more time on our own culture I mean just search Geek to 10M vids be suggested to you but search Akkad, Sumer, or Elam you can barley find more than 10 videos look all I say is They propagate their civilization enough we sure should do the same too. you're the best 👍👍
The Dorian hypothesis sounds much like the fall of Sparta.
dorian world was not only sparta just sparta know many foreigners from the movies and thermopylae. dorian world was equally strong and populated to the others, ionians and aeolians. also they had different aspect of life as philosophy.
This video is exactly the same as the book that I have read
Glad this complemented the book and hope it was helpful...thanks for watching!
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Go and pray in your mosque in tirana your delusional 😂😂
@50 seconds into the video: The timeline for the destruction of southern regions of Greece is documented in several independent historic records - the cause of the destruction is also documented - which means theories, opinions, etc., are irrelevant.
The audio of your dialogue is glitching every so often
Hi, thanks so much for the feedback... yeah, sound has not always been my strongpoint. I did listen to the video again and I couldn't find anything very noticeable. Do you remember approximately where the glitching occurred? If not, no worries I'll try to see what I do to improve future videos.
Thanks so much for stopping by, really appreciate it! More to come, stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy it's all over the video, very noticeable when wearing headphones. It's sometimes some static, but the most confusing part is that every few seconds one of the two stereo channels skips out, which is very disorienting with headphones. I would say it's most likely an issue while recording or during audio compression. Should be very visible in audacity if you look at the two stereo channel waves separately (at best they should contain nearly the same waves).
@@EmanuelMay Hmm, thanks for the feedback and info. Lately what I've been doing is running the audio file through Adobe Audition to take out any pops out...hmm, I wonder if that's the case with older videos. Maybe I should just run it all through Adobe Premiere like in the past. I'll also listen to it with headphones since I usually don't. Thanks again, really appreciate the feedback as it'll help to make these videos much better in the future. Thanks and stay safe!
Foreign words in language is commonplace and has roots in trade as opposed to invasion. According to modern and ancient evidence the Doeians were not an advance society that left many permanent markers. This is also co.monpkace throught ancient history.
I'll take the ancient viewpoint since they were not far removed as opposed to some people staring at rocks or artifacts and creating stories in order to justify the Grant's they received to conduct their digs in the first place. This video seems to ignore this potential bias while highlighting beliefs in the ulterior motives or ancient scholars.
Even though most of our historical analysis is based upon the criteria established by these ancient scholars. It oy abounds!
The Collapse of Mycenaean Greece into the Greek Dark Ages....seem to be comparable to the Fall of Rome in 476 AD in terms of effect on the known world. I have noticed a striking similarity to that when a great civilization falls, it causes a domino effect that effects the entire known world at it's time. Take for the Fall of Rome in 476AD. It had such a significant effect that most of Western Civilization fell into a Dark Age that lasted until the Renaissance Period. The only civilization that wasn't truly effected by this Dark Age was the Eastern Roman Empire aka the Byzantine Empire. And that's because ERE aka Byzantines was essentially eastern half of the Roman Empire that survived the Fall of Rome and they had with them...all the technologies, medicines, and etc that was lost when Rome fell. In fact to the Byzantines, THEY WERE the Romans. And still called themselves Romans all the way to the Fall of Constantinople in 1456 AD. It wasn't until hundreds of years later that scholars "coined" the term Byzantine or Byzantium to separate Classical Romans from Medieval Romans to tell the difference between the Roman Empire's two eras of their civilization. I draw this comparison because it seems the Mycenaean Greek Empire was the height of civilization that influenced the known world at it's time and many civilizations fell due to this. Unfortnately, we dont have the luxury of knowing all the details of what caused the Fall of Mycenaen Greece like we did when Rome fell and caused that Dark Age. But we know it happened. When Alexander the Great's Hellenistic Empire fell after his death at the age of 32, Western Civilization dodged a bullet of falling into another Dark Age because luckily, we had the rise of the Roman Empire following right after it to pick up the pieces of Alexander's empire. Even the remnants of Alexander's empire fought against the Romans mulitple times before it was fully absorbed into the Roman Republic/Empire such as the Pyrrhic War and the Macedonian Wars. As Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius quoted: "Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future too."
Where I need a scapegoat, I blame the Dorians.
I'm still betting on the Cosmic Dragon (comet) and its tail (debris) wiping out (in the 23rd and then 12th centuries b.c.) these civilizations. Very nice video as usual.
In some lesser known literature, the "Nostoi" (the Homecomers, Pronunciation= Nosti, since "oi" is probably pronounced as "e/i"), the adventures of the Troya-heroes are described when arriving back home... There is several patterns: Their queen-wifes have boyfriends, and murder the heros upon arriving home. Or, the hero ridicules himself in front of the public, and loses all his crdedibility/trustworthiness. From then on, either his power is very shaky, or he loses all his power. In other cases, the public doesn´t recognize the authority of the hero, cause he was absent for 10 years at least, and exile him. Anyway, althought one could say that these stories were simply written by women, trying to ridicule men and their faible for decades-long-war, it may also mean, that after Troy, there was a general crisis of authority.
One should also keep in mind, that not all warriors left their wifes home: The wealthiest ones (aristocracy) knew they would find new wifes along the raids to and around Troy, had families during the war, while the poorest ones probably also couldn´t take their wifes with them at all (lacking all means), and sometimes founded new families during the war. But most of the middle-abled ones took their wifes with them to the Trojan war... So, the most educated wifes, that could have been capable to write such stories, were belonging to the class (middleclass) that wasn´t left alone back home, and shouldn´t have felt angry/motivated enough to write such stories, always supposing, the queens themselves did have such motivation, but were a too small population, that female authors arose only from women, that have been queens earlier... So, I guess, men wrote these stories, and are witness of a general crisis of the authorities...
The Greeks mean university academics. Unlike scholars today, they were incredibly intelligent and spiritually enlightened. They settle here only after their country has surrendered to the enemy. Their country was Hela or Hela-bima. The word Hela-bima means the land of the Hella people aka Hellas. it is Heladiva to outsiders that means the island of the Hellas. one of their languages is Hela-basa and the other is called Ceynhela but not the present day Sinhala. These two scientific languages are opposite to each other and one can be taken as a positive language and the other becomes negative. Their academics are called Giri in the Hela language while the land where the universities are located is known as Giri Rata or Giri-k, (pronounce as Girika) where "k" means land. Even though a small island, Heladiva was the Head state of the Lion Empire (Lion means Hela) which has ruled the entire world twice before. At a time when the power of the empire had waned (about 540 BC), there was another clash with the enemies in Hela-bima. At that moment, they sent their intellectuals to the land near the Mediterranean Sea, which was a vassal kingdom during the previous empire to protect their advanced scientific knowledge.
This migration is described clearly in the Mahawansa the great chronicle of Sri Lanka covering a continuous period of over 3000 years.
They named the newly migrated land Girik (sound as Giri-ka) meaning the land of academia and later evolved it as Greek and Girica to Greece. At that time Heladiva was ruled under three main divisions called Ruhuna, Pihiti and Maya dividing scientifically on a basis of a special natural force acting on the ground were also based on their educational system.
The triple-state used terminologies particular to themselves, a little different from each other so that spiritual development occurs in speaking. Accordingly, Greece was also divided into three parts, Dorians Aeolians and Ionians to maintain the educational methodology. However, they do not appoint a king because it is a colony of Heladiva and they accepted the Emperor of the lion-empire (or King of lion people in Hela-diva) as their king. Helabima was formerly known as Lanka that means heaven. After being captured, enemies destroyed the country and uprooted glorious prosperity turning heaven into hell hence the name Hela or Hella. It is Thambapanni in Pali and Taprobane in Greek; one of the famous word among ancient Grecians. This is how the Sri Lankan words Girik and Hela or Hellas came into the Greek culture. An interesting fact that still, native Sri Lankans call themselves Hela or Hellas and their language is Hela. It is common for the government to use the words Hela-diva and Hela-bima instead of Sri Lanka, especially on national and cultural occasions. In addition to the Sinhala language, the Hela language is also widely used. There are thousands of institutions and several political parties with their names including the word of Hela. Dates of rising and fall of Greek civilisation is nicely concurrent with fluctuations of power of ancient Lankan Empire (lion Empire).In simply Greek words Hellas and Hellenes cited Sri Lanka and its people. We must be careful when reading history books because of so many misinterpretations made by scholars who do not know the language well. For example, Megasthenes Indica does not refer to India but lessons of Earth science wrapped in a nicely crafted story. Similarly, Kamasuthra in India and murals in Pompeii refers to the science of Earth, not lessons of sex as interpreted by western scholars.
Could the god-like Alexander of Macedon have anything to do with that?
The depictions of sex you cite seem rather explicit. "Spread the limbs, plant the seed," yea, of course.
Thanks for your comment. I like the idea of close relationship between these ancient cultures.
@@andywomack3414 Thanks for your reply. I think it is needed to clarify a little more about my opinion on the depiction of sex otherwise someone can be misunderstood.
The murals at the Pompeii depict nothing about love or sex but the planetary science of the Earth. In ancient time it is common to use language tactics like this by Hela people to pass a message publicly. Mainly they use these tactics to ensure the secrecy of the message and language secrets in a society where there are enemies. There were two main ethnic groups in the ancient world: one is the lion people (Hela People) and the outsiders to them. It is obvious that in the ancient world all the wars have been erupted among only these two groups: always against each other but sometimes living in peace even in the same society. It is very clear that in such an instant the frescoes had been depicted. When outsiders read the details of the picture in the fullest sense of what they seeing, the hidden message of truth is at once given to those who know the secrets of the Hela language. The lion people (Hela people) had such amazing linguistic knowledge but others did not. Decades ago, when a groom first came to see a bride in our Hela society in Sri Lanka, he was subjected to seven language tests to prevent outsiders from entering Hela families. However, it is not fair to discuss further because others do not know the theory behind my clarifications.
The inverse posture of the mating couple gives the meaning that the earth is going upward which was denoted by ascending node sign(inverse of the descending node) in ancient celestial maps. According to ancient Hela people in Sri Lanka, the earth is moving up and down along an inclined orbital path. The message relevant to earth science like thus in brief: the forces already acting vertically upward and spinning of the electron cloud just faded out trying to reinstate around the lava ball at the Centre of the Earth. That means there is more possibility to erupt the volcano. Events like this usually occur at the end of the second week of April and October. The chain of nuclear process relevant to this case is represented by the other murals on the walls in the area. This is the science of natural nuclear binding energy or "Ra" science according to Hellas. Surely, enough warning may have been given to citizens by then experts for their evacuation. It is a common practice for Hela people that presenting a big theory wrapped with a beautifully crafted story. An oil lamp with a winged phallus discovered from Pompeii gives the same meaning. Similar effigies of the phallus can be seen in the area where earthquake and volcano eruptions occur in Nepal and Japan. If we adopt the same process directly to the society the secret message would be like this: "surrounding and further tightening is going on. The state is seemingly collapsing. More people are gathering. The country is being isolated. It is nearly to end power and dignity. And all those actions are maintaining coolly (within their society)".
It seems that the surrendered people were struggling secretly for freedom. Those people may be lion people because only they had so-called advanced scientific knowledge and language tactics in the ancient world. Indeed, it is the magical power of the Hela language (it is Hellenic to the modern world). It is unfair to nestle such an advanced technology of ancients into a brothel house by modern intellectuals.
Also, the Bible should be read in the Hela language. See Moses' book of Acts.
The staff is first mentioned in the Book of Exodus (chapter 4, verse 2)
"when God appears to Moses in the burning bush. ... Moses and Aaron appear before the pharaoh when Aaron's rod is transformed into a serpent. The pharaoh's sorcerers are also able to transform their own rods into serpents, but Aaron's swallows them.”
The word serpent is known as Naga in the Hela language and the rod is called the Yasti. Their apparent meaning, as above, is also used in Hela as serpent and rod. But in the Hela language, their secret meaning is as follows.
“When the royal family was killed and the people were brutally crushed, God commanded ........... Moses and Aaron went before Pharaoh and challenged him to use force to liberate the people, and the people stood with him. Aaron used his power to free his people and to gather them together. Then Pharaoh led his people into battle. But the people of Aron suppressed it by inciting them to fight.”
Indeed, it is more descriptive than I said. I will write later, a few lines about Alexander the Great.
I’ll have some of what you’re smoking lol
At this point we have genetic, archeological, and written evidence that at least some of the Sea people were Greeks (either Mycenaeans or the ones that destroyed Mycenae). However, it seems like too much of a coincidence that the Greek marauders that destroyed the Mycenaean civilization immediately contacted and joined other marauders coming through at the same that also wanted to, and were entirely capable of, destroying entire civilizations.
Doesn’t it seem a lot more likely that the Sea People were originally the marauders of Greece who then convinced different ethnic groups across Asia Minor to join them? Come to think of it, I wonder if there were any others at all. If I’m not mistaken, the formation of multiple primitive and entirely different cultures & ethnic groups coming together is historically quite uncommon, and there is no written evidence of it here other than a foreign account that might’ve just been speculating or even exaggerating the size of the invasion, let alone no genetic or archeological evidence.
but if you close your eyes...
Thanks for stopping by, all the best for 2021 and stay safe!
@@HistorywithCy you too man al the best.
Something up with the audio disorienting to listen to with headphones
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It should be called the Dork Ages because the Dorks were in charge and they created the Dork order which was awful and everybody said oh my Gods these guys are all a bunch of Dorks! During the Dark ages people couldn't read and write because it was dark and they couldn't see. Homer was blind so he didn't know it was dark so he recalled the Golden Age before the Dorks took over and ruined everything.
We will NEVER know anything for certain when it comes to these matters. Your pot looks like their pots proves nothing - you saw their pots and copied them or you brought the same pot making ability to somewhere new or you and they both thought the handles on pots should go on the sides at the top. Also, the civilisations that put their handles in the middle at the base most probably died out due to famine caused by dropping pots. It´s all potty!
So the ancient Greeks said it was the Dorian's that destroyed Mycenae civilization...
The Egyptians said it was the sea people
(which included the Dorian's) that almost destroyed them and said that they had destroyed every other civilization around them...
And all at the same time all the city's in the ancient world in that region all were burnt down and destroyed to the ground...
Why can't these people that make these videos just say what the Egyptian and Greek historian's written down by both of them and said that the
"SEA PEOPLE" caused the bronze age collapse...
Even if there was a world famine and earthquakes and volcanoes erupting everywhere that didn't cause the collapse...
Country's didn't go to war with each other and their citizens didn't revolt against their government's...
We have no evidence that
famines, earthquakes, and volcanoes
weakened the ancient world of that time that allowed the Sea People to overrun almost every ancient nation but even if it was true that the world was weak from all those problems it was
"STILL" the SEA PEOPLE that took out Civilizations regardless if the world was in bad shape at that time or not....
So I just don't understand why some historian's won't just come to the obliviously reasonable conclusion that Sea People cause the bronze age collapse...
Thanks for these videos not many speak of this time period mostly just a mention of the trojan horse nothing like your videos
10:01 Identity, culture, and the arrogance to think individuals should behave the way your community thinks everyone should behave.
Crying Hellenized Minoan and Pelasgian noises
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Not Anatolia this area is minor Asia
There is a group of people living in Gilan north of Iran known as Gilaks, as you can see there are similarities between Gilaki and Gallic (Irish,Welsh..) languages
Gilaki: Khakhor / 🏴 Khwaer
(written Khwahar)
Gilaki: Small: Pach/ 🏴 Fach
Gilaki: Breast: Chiche/ 🇮🇪 Chíche
Gilaki: Boy: Rika 🏴 Rocyn (Rokin)
Gilaki: Chicken: Kerk/ 🏴 Cearc ( Kerk)
Unlike Persian and Italian which show more similarities in the basic words comparing to Greek
🇮🇷 🇮🇹 / 🇬🇷
Mother: Madar madre/ μητέρα (Mitera)
Father: Pedar padre / πατέρας (Patera)
Boy/Son: Pur, Puer ( Latin) /αγόρι (Agori)
Water: Ab, Abba (Sardinian)/ νερό (neró)
What : Che Che /τι (Ti)
Also Che Chizi , Che Cosa
Who : Ki Chi /που (Pou)
Inside: Andar, Entro/ μέσα(mésa)
How much: Chand, Quanto / πόσο (Póso)
Small: Khord, Corto / μικρό (Mikró)
Thing : Chiz, Cosa /πράγμα (prágma)
Young: Javan Giovane /νέος (Neos)
Dead: Morde. Morto/νεκρός (Negros)
Cat: Pishi & Gorbe, Gurpe (Fox in Sardinian)/Γάτα(Gáta)
Liver: Jegar ، Jecur(Latin) /συκώτι(Sykoti)
Cheekbone: Gune, Gena (Latin)/ζυγωματικό(Zygomatikó)
Kiss: Buse, Bacio/ φιλί (Filí)
Lip: Lab, Labbro/ χείλος (Cheílos)
Throat: Galu, Gola / λαιμός (laimós)
Breast: Sine , Seno/ στήθος (Stíthos)
And it can’t be coincidence, due to the other similarities between the cultures like Nowruz bal in Gilaki and Beltane in Galik we may conclude that these people share the same root. About the similarities between Persian and Italian i have no idea.
Maybe ancient Greeks too used to live in north of Iran near province of Gilan, a province known as Mazandaran (maybe related to Mycenaean) then they migrated to Balkan, some artifacts have been found in the province similar to Greek culture in Marlik, also according to Greeks there was a tribe known as Amazons,maybe this is also related to the name of Mazandaran ( Amazon and Mazan ) because Amazons and Greeks used to live nearby.
There are some places in Mazandaran that have similar name to ancient Greek gods like Zanos, Neka, Chalus (maybe related to Achelous) , Astra ..
After migrating from Mazandaran to Gilan they settled near the Caspian sea, according to Herodotus there was a tribe known as Geloni who spoke a language mix of Greek and Iranic.
In Gilaki like Greek the word for Girl is Kor and as mentioned above Gilaki have similarities with Gallic languages.
the word Greek itself maybe related to Gleek and Gallic, as the name of the country is Hellada or in its correct form Galata (as you know it’s located in Turkey, G -> H , T -> D ) which clearly shows the wave of migration from Iran to Turkey then to Balkan.
But western scholars prefer closing their eyes on these basic and simple facts.
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Ancient Greece never exist grece formed from England and Germany as a new nation 1832 before the name grece not exist
Then what was it