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- Are Diesel Heaters the answer to UK energy prices?
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Just noticed you switched your diesel heater off without allowing it to shut down via its program. You will damage the circuitry if you repeatedly bypass the shutdown sequence. Thanks for posting
No.. Its not the pcb that gets damaged it's the plastic case around the burn chamber
At 8:04 you turned it off on the power bank it looked like, you have to switch off on the unit as it goes through a cooling down procedure or you’ll end up frying the circuit board. Some use 240 v to 12 v transformers to run them which works but if you get a power cut while running it can damage the circuit board
It's not the pcb board that gets damaged it's the plastic case around the burn chamber.
another good tip for heating the kitchen ,is everytime u use the oven, fill the bottom tray with as many of them storage heating bricks u can ,by the time ya foods cooked the bricks will be heated up and release heats out of the oven door over several hours
Brick cooled oven.
The energy used to heat your oven will increase because the cold bricks are absorbing heat output so your oven will be on for longer.
There is much to be said for better insulation on domestic ovens. I have a little tabletop kiln that can keep 1200°C for similar energy input to a 225°C oven - the insulation is over 7cm thick, of high quality.
The bricks with asbestos are the best ones btw but not many people have them these days
@@jockrockwell3947 yeah. EBay is good for that though
Don't turn it of by cutting the power supply, the plastic cases around the heater can melt without the cooling down cyclus 😉
Interesting results! Apart from the fumes, noise and routing pipes through walls/doors to outside, smell of diesel, cost of fuel etc at least it gets the temps up!
I have a simpler, cheaper solution I cobbled together, it's a heated jacket I bought online, it's meant to be battery powered but they don't last long and the cost is extortionate.
So I modified an old exercise bike to turn an old motor I made into a generator which provides enough power to run the jacket.
So my wife hops on the bike, I plug my jacket in, watch the footy, nice and cosey and she gets a workout and keeps herself warm in the process, win win!😁👍
No seriously though, I just fitted a wood burner and have been foraging for wood for the last few months, have a big enough pile to see me through winter and it provides enough heat for a 3 bed average size semi.👍
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Red diesel approx £1.30 and can be used legally for heating Steve.
My diesel heater is running inside in our living room (sized 20ft. X 12ft.). I have it sitting next to a window set up to exhaust it through a hole that I made in a sheet of purple insulation cut to fit the inside dimension of the opened lower pain. I have been using it only during early mornings when the whole house thermostat is turned off to save money. It heats the front room nicely in about fifteen minutes running it on the lowest setting.
Diesel sells here at $4.48 a US gallon. I bought ten gallons to be used for heating. I have filled the tank and have not had to refill it yet. Been using the heater off and on for about a week so far on this one tank full.
I used one to heat my 1 bedroom bungalow for the last couple of winters , I would put it on for about 3 hours an evening and it's cost about £10-£15 a week in diesel, l had the unit and leisure battery outside undercover with an extension on the exhaust to keep the fumes away from the open catflap with the heat pipe through the catflap , I bought extra foil pipe to take the hot air further into the bungalow, the only problem l had was getting up in the morning I'm down to between 10 -12 degrees indoors, there is a timer you can set l think I never used it , I had a remote control to turn it on and adjust the temperature,
Watched a chap installing the heater you have and used a heat monitor to check the temps around the heater. On full power the exhaust pipe was hitting 254 centigrade, so be carefull how you route it and protect it from people or animals coming into contact with it, stay safe.
Would be great to see the full install and the whether it does actually achieve a saving on household standard boilers. There are loads of companies advertising supposedly efficient space heaters at the moment so it's great that you shared this nd it seems to work. Would be even greater if you can control the heat output...
A small amount of work with google will reveal that diesel has about 10 kwh (36 MJ) per litre, compare that with the cost of gas and you'll find its almost certainly cheaper to use the gas heating. Thats if the heat exchanger in this is a efficient as a modern gas boiler which would seem unlikely. You could use waste oil (they aren;t fussy by all accounts) if you can get it cheap or free.
Not everyone has gas heating or oil heating. How do we work that one out Einstein?
Ive got one in my garage 8kw one they are brillant! but for your new workshop it will need to be more insulated. Wicks do 8x4 sheets of polystyrene cheaper than the foam stuff, and buy a poly hot knife to cut it not a wood saw.
In Russia there are several guys who have put the exhaust through an old cast iron radiator before piping it outside to gain another 1.5 KW as the exhaust is over 200c - its needs to be piped all downhill though as condensing the exhaust does cause acrid condensate to drip.
good idea cant wait too see finished setup
If you connect the exhaust to an old raditor, then run the exhaust outside and you can definitely heat up your first floor!
Interesting 😊
1. A web search says "One litre of diesel fuel (auto) has an energy content of approximately 38 MJ - which
approximates to 10 kWh". Assuming most heaters are near 100% efficient, take your cost per kWh for gas x10 + the standing charge, and if that's more than the price per litre of diesel, then the diesel heater is cheaper.
My gas is currently 10.31 p/kWh + 28.48 p/day = £1.31 for 10 kWh. So gas should be cheaper than 1 litre diesel per day.
2. Diesel heaters are good as a backup, but I would never leave them unattended since they are not built to the same safety standards and checks as gas boilers.
Up at these crazy hours watching this… worth it.
Steve, you can use RED Diesel which is around £1 a litre 👍🏻
I forgot you could use red! Nice one 👍
Cant find red diesel anywhere ,unless I buy it in 500 ltr barrels
Many petrol stations here in Northern Ireland sell heating oil at the pump. About 90p a litre currently.
45p an hour is based on tesco £1.85 diesel. If you use red diesel its 90p a litre or 20p per hour.
@@hungrysurfer9471 is that running on high or ticking over
Great video, I've got one for the garage\workshop but haven't used it yet, you can also use red diesel in them, currently near me it's £1.49 per litre
It can also use homemade fuels too, you just gkt to know the dos and donts lol
Red diesel is also cheaper!to purchase.And is legal.And if the electric goes down?the battery back is a good option too.Good vid mate.Cheers.
Good vid. Just a though, don't pull the power on these heaters to turn them off as you'll cook the pcb on the heater. Use the shutdown on the controller so's it can cool itself.
Watch out for insurance issues if you have a malfunction, that particular heater might not be type approved for domestic installations.
In terms of cost it’s probably cheaper with gas, diesel is very expensive.
Good idea but safer for the work shop.
With the price of diesel at the moment these can be a bit expensive to run . On full I used ten litres in a 12 hour period
The diesel cost £18 at asda . The cheapest heating source is a wood burner , I just collect wood from broken pallets and logs from the Moors
The only problem is the cost to have a wood burner installed, at the moment it's around £2500 +
My mum told me that when she was a kid her dad run out of coal so he ended up ripping the floorboards up and sticking one end in the fire to keep warm . Them were the days .
I can remember dad burning the attic boards in the 80s. I'm sat in my shed with a gas bottle log burner, lovely n warm.
You need to run this off red diesel as that’s around 70p to 90p a lt that’s my plan is to buy one and then run it off red diesel and you could even mix red diesel and vegetable oil and it’ll run even cheaper but if you do that you will have to take it apart more often to clean the combustion chamber and replace other parts :) love to see you do a video with red diesel
Been considering one of these and it’s great that you are testing one .... be great to find out how efficient it really is ... lots of us are looking at alternative cheaper ways of heating ... things are only going to get worse I think 👍
Nice one, cheers for this mate. I'm working from home and its effing cold during the day when the heating is off!
Mate you do and try things so we don't have to
. respect my friend
I installed one in my 'pub shed' earlier this year, fantastic at maintaining heat, but it takes forever to get to 22⁰c taking into account ambient temperature, shed is 4x3 mtrs no insulation, for example it was 4⁰c at the weekend, took 3 hrs on 2.8 setting to get to 12⁰c, i use it alongside my electric heater to speed up the heating process but diesel heater to maintain 22⁰c on 2.2 heat setting. I have had around 16 hours of use for around 2 ltrs fuel used, excellent bit of kit, run off stand alone solar kit.
Maybe try and source some red diesel.
I have had one of that type of heater installed in my garden office for a few years and there absolutely brilliant. I’ve got an old house radiator which I want to install inline with the exhaust so it acts as a silencer and will give more heat. If you put the exhaust in the top of the rad and let it exit the bottom of the rad through the wall it should not be as hot
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From what I've seen, 1kwh of heating from diesel is around 15p/kWh with perfect efficiency of the heat exchanger which isn't likely in the real world so let's say it's more like 20/25p/kWh . 10/15p per kWh more than the price cap for gas. Also the setup you had there was pulling air intake from inside the home which means that air has to be drawn in from the outside through cracks etc to make up for it. This method is a lot less efficient than just using your central heating. Bleed your upstairs radiators. You get better efficiency with being able to spread the hot water over a larger run when running at 60c from boiler. I only pay £40 per month for all my electric heating and electricity usage but I am on a dual rate electricity tariff, have storage heaters and have a fairly efficient one bed apartment.
Ultimate advice from me would be stick to conventional methods. Another issue is if you use a diesel heater like this and have no control over the heat output then your temperature gradient between inside and outside will be very large and you'll therefore lose more heat energy than being at a normal home temperature. If you can dial down the output temperature of the diesel heater then you're losing efficiency as the heat is being dumped outside.
You do have full control..more so than any conventional system if you use an afterburner controller (Approx £80 from Ray in Australia)...so you can control heat and fan speed to adjust for temps both inside and outside and also adjust the fuel input to run the system as economical as possible.
What you have just said is absolute rubbish. They are fully controllable and some of us pay hundreds of pounds a month to heat our homes in the winter. Many people don't have gas or oil. I`m a qualified 54-year-old heating and air-con engineer.
Amazing bits of kit! I've used one for years as I live in my campervan!:)
Those units need to be outside due to the fact there is an exhaust joint underneath which can leak carbon monoxide. Put it in an enclosure outside & put the heater pipe through a vent of some sort. For your own safety dude do not run those units indoors 👍👍👍👍
That's a bit harsh. Replace the supplied jubilee clip with a quality one, and a small amount of exhaust paste. Good to go. There is no intrinsic reason why there will be a leak. Also get a carbon monoxide alarm.
Sooo..how why do they use them in caravans cars boats.
@@RealDixonPeter pure scaremongering. These are perfectly safe inside, if they weren't you'd hear about truckers dying all the time from being poisoned. As long as the exhaust is piped outside and has a leak free connection, you're good to go.
Run two of them ,one heating a kitchen first thing in the mornings ,one in bedroom to heat it before bedtime,I run both on diesel/w v o ,50/50 mix have done so for last 4years only problem i ever had was a pump packed up once (first year )replaced going fine ever since
Be good to see more content on this Steve ;) warmed me up just watching it
Great vid, red diesel cheaper, heat recovery from exhaust can be recovered using a egr heat exchanger, could heat water and then a radiator.. or put exhaust into a larger vertical pipe, reducing flow giving exhaust gases longer to loose heat to larger pipe and radiate into the room.. i was thinking of using all car exhaust parts, maybe 2 inch to 24mm reducer, a couple of bends, and a length of pipe long enough to go from floor to ceiling and out the wall.. have a jubilee clip connection so heater can easily be removed. did think of using a truck stack pipe all chrome, wall art when not being used by heater.. these heaters are more efficient than people realise.. huge amounts of heat are lost via exhaust,,
Very true. If he already has radiators installed, he could route it into his house system and with a small 12v pump he could move it around all the radiators. It only needs a few coils of brake pipe around that exhaust.
@@englishrupe01 egr heat exchanger, most modern cars have them and can be bought few £20 on ebay
@@aidenjohns8248 Really...that cheap? Any chance of a link to one, as i can't find one for less than 75 dollars. If you just put the main word then i can put the dot and the com to it.....thanks.
Great idea, but it only heats the room you put it in and you’ve got to listen to the sound of that as well and the way houses are built today and soon as you switch off it be cold again I think the great idea for workshop
That was cool really interesting and yes another vidio all set up ❤
Great video. You are the best scientist i've seen today.
Do not be tempted to use anything other than red/road diesel because if you do, it'll clog up and cause no end of problems. Granted, it'll start and run but not for long.
Thinking outside of the CUBE hive mind..... never change yourself... your one of a kind...... never let anyone tell you otherwise.
Big respect to the Old School Raver
For any open flame device (gas burner, wax, paraffin, butane, propane, diesel) you MUST also have a carbon monoxide (CO) detector. A CO detector is different than a smoke detector (you need both).
Is this open flame??
@@DudeStuff yes! If the fuel is burning in your home (fireplace, woodstove, or any type of fuel burning system for a furnace) instead of at the power plant (electricity from the public grid or steam from a community distribution source) carbon monoxide poisoning (dead children in your house) is possible. Carbon monoxide is odorless, colorless, tasteless, invisible, and DEADLY. From what you said, you have a fueled fired furnace for a boiler for heat. If those were my kids I would not let them stay in that house or sleep in that house without a working CO detector AND working smoke detector. It is your papa bear responsibility to protect those children. I know you're a good dad and will attend to it smartly. Love your videos. Make one about carbon monoxide death prevention.
@landslave like I said in the video I'll be installing it outdoors
Hi. yes, I saw it will be sitting in the yard. I presume that your boiler furnace also is an open flame (flame fired) appliance. You can find out about it at the link I have attached. And if there is an exhaust leak into the return air circulation, it can still cause CO poisoning, even from out in the yard.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/carbon-monoxide-properties-incident-management-and-toxicology/carbon-monoxide-general-information
It is not an open flame heater if the exhaust is outside. It has a heat exchanger which blows clean air over it. They are two separate systems within one unit.
Mate that motorbike would be in the house next to the bed, it’s outside getting cold and lonely 😢
just ordered one tonight, i pick up a shed load of oils etc with my work, be heating my house for free! Bosh!
I just line my walls and ceiling in my living room with tin foil and set fire to an old couch, free heating 👍
Wait until you test out a rocket stove sand battery.
Dead wood is free, you just need the materials to make the sand battery, some 100mm square tubing, empty propane bottle, sand and the tools to build one.
Heat it for an hour or two and it will pump out heat for hours
Iv thought of doing this putting exhaust thru letterbox. Be good to do a semi perm install ready for snow. It's should heat the whole house left on for an hour. Great video im looking at doing it
Interesting,when you get it fully installed and costed up,running costs in your bike workshop it will be very interesting to watch.well done !!Bacon and eggs.next time....
Definetly a worthwhile heat source, supposedly you can burn quite a few different fuels through it...some cheaper than others. For the price its cerainly a good heater.
Love the video dude , a no nonsense one is always the best .
Where did you purchase it from
Cracking Video. Very informative and superb scientific tests. Awesome stuff
Ha! I have the Raindance and Dreamscape flyers in a box in my spare room. Halcyon days pal.
look forward to seeing you install video,best thing about these is it will run on any oil based fuel be it kerosene,red diesel or old engine oil/brake fluid
One better, I wrapped copper pipe round the exhaust and heated water with it too. Fibre glass insulation and a 10w water pump pushed the water from the tank. Its was impressed with how well it heated the garage and the water tank. I used red diesel at the time it was in use.
Lovely reflective video!
Awesome sounds great idea!
infrared heat bulbs also a good way to heat the home ,any spare lamp holders u got ,plug them in ,gives the room a warm cosy look too :) ( MAKE sure the bulb socket can handle the watts stated of course
But then you're just paying for heat with electricity rather than gas and infrared heating isn't particularly efficient at heating the home, just objects the light hits at short distance. Electricity is 34p per kWh, gas is 10p per kWh. Stick to your gas
your idea heat rising and keeping radiators off up stairs ..i think is good idea ..makes sense ..there another factor you might not know ....
person gets better night sleep if person feels cold when get into bed ..Fact ..better been takes shorter time to go to sleep into deep sleep
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Like it 👌 looking forward to a follow up video of the installation 👍
As it’s for heating could Red Diesel be used…???
Yeah but good luck getting it now days they've toughened the laws and I can't get hold of any
If you can find somewhere that sells kerosene or heating oil, they run on that which is going to save you quite a lot Vs diesel or red diesel
Nice bro. Definitely worth installing properly.
Always interested in 12 volt tech, IE: on demand hot water heaters, entertainment systems etc for rv's.
Friend and I share a large workshop, the tool/machine room is an unused industrial freezer, perhaps 8" of aluminium coated insulation foam. Ten to 15min with a very small hot air fan,, easily work in t-shirt and shorts. Insulate "heavily" the workshop.
I have eight or ten inches of insulation on my home, heating only gets turned on rarely and perhaps an hour at a time in winter.
Please do another vid I will check if you did thanks for your good work
Even better if you use red diesel , you have to find a supplier near you who will sell it to you.
or if you use road fuel you can keep the receipts and request a tax refund from HMRC but there is a minimum limit of 250litres IIRC.
parrafin heater is cheaper per kwatt per hour is like maybe 28-30p an hour possibly.
and no holes to be drilled in your brck wall. just leave a window ajar for air circulation.
That'll do nicely for your workshop,I got a heated body warmer for twenty five bucks and it does just fine👍🏴
Mix used motor oil with the Diesel to make it even cheaper.
Haha great video mate. The egg! 🤣
I don't think you need a thermometer to know when the room is warm enough. Just in the process of installing one in my garage workshop. You can legally use red diesel for heating so saving about 80p/litre.
You can mod them to run on 'super eco mode'. RTFM Dude haha. Very important. Nice one mate, good vid. Fellow biker wishing you safe blasts. 👍👍
If you have a few quid put away the best investment you could make would be in an electric car. Even an old used one. When you own one it opens up preferential smart tariffs from electricity suppliers which drastically cuts your price per kWh at certain times of the day meaning that you save a bomb if your home is electrically heated and you can use storage heating and you save on the price of running the car
Hahaha ya getting crazier luvvv it🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Would be interesting to see if it can run on old vegetable oil .
45p an hour is based on tesco £1.85 diesel. If you use red diesel its 90p a litre or 20p per hour. Or waist chip shop oil is free.
Just junked the tank and connected it to a 10ltr plastic fuel can from the big car shop, the diesel tank fitting fits perfectly through the spout cap and just needs shortening to fit. Was uneasy about having that crappy plastic tank above the burner plus less refills in situ.
When it come to the house rads. Put downstairs on 4 and upstairs on 2. Of course bleed them first. Ps that one sweet bit of kit outside the front of your house 👌
I heated a 1 bedroom apt in toronto with a 1500 watt oil rad and small fan and it cost me about an extra 15 dollars a month in hydro. also get 12 volt appliances and run them off an old pc power supply.
Your energy supplier still charges you about £2.40 per day for your gas meter even if you burn no gas After being on for two hours my smart meter reads 43 p total to heat up the whole house to around 18 degrees Plus of course the hot water at 60 c for baths washing up etc etc I would put one in a workshop But not sure the Derv heater will warm up more than one room There and again the tip regarding the heating of bricks in the Oven while cooking a family meal seems a good one More ebike stuff please Adding a second battery to an ebike but being able to charge it with just the one charger safely
Nice one, feeling warmer already.
Love the posters my m8 is dj doogle Bring back memories..Great videos you make
If its sucking in hot air will be hot. Like recirculation in the car. Put it out side and retest
You don't really need an experiment. Red diesel is 1 quid a litre. There's 10kwh I a liter. Gas is 10p per khw.. if that heater is the same efficiency as a gas boiler (90%) they cost the same. If its under 90% efficient which is likely due to the exhaust, its more expensive
Is that the new air fryer 😂🤣🤔👍🏾
i just noticed the dreamscape flyer, haha , my bedroom used to be covered in 90s flyers i had 100s of them...
Many thanks for the video very informative
How do yo power your heater? What watt/voltage name of your power supply?
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Great video. What nake heater dud you buy and where from. Thanks
Please do a proper installation. Check out using used motor oil and cooking oil, mixed with diesel, if it is the multi fuel version. These heaters might be good for Ukraine civilians, if they are without heat. Thanks Steve.
Red diesel is only £1.20 per litre 😇
I run used motor oil 30/70 ratio with diesel through mine, needs a bit more startup time and prefers +1 power setting with the blacker stuff, but works fine
why give free energy away to the dump :D
Yes please to 2nd video, Cheers
Hi, love the channel and it would be great to see the heater installed permanently!
Nice collection of records you got there and do I see a controller ? What you mixing. I dj. House n garage bit of dnb.
Thanks pal
Combustion inlet needs to be outside as it is cooler more dense air that will provide a better burn. The clean air inlet is great to be inside as it will be effectively taking in pre-warmed air and make the place warmer much faster.
But also causes condensation !
@@biggstavros5876 Not had a problem with that myself but yeah I can see why. I live alone, only home half of the day and the house is well ventilated
Just a thought, red diesel ⛽ used in farming for instance, is a lot cheaper than White diesel, it won't interfere with heater it's self, so reason not to use it
love the dreamscape canvas
Got one in my campervan best thing ever leave running on low for days can run on red diesel kerosene
Yer been putting these in canal boats for 20yrs if you’re home was set up like a boat you’ll never pay bill again