Sony A7SIII 7 Things You Need to Know // Tips, Tricks & Camera Hacks
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- 7 Things you should know before buying the Sony A7SIII & how to take it to the next level!
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0:00 Intro
1:18 Hardware Build
2:16 Add XLR Audio
3:37 RAW Video
5:08 Awesome Website
5:57 Shockless WB
7:30 The Best ISO
9:21 1080p Hack
10:34 Cropping
12:29 Bitrate Hack
15:07 Image Stabilization 
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For those of you who have had the camera, what are your thoughts so far??? You loving it!?
Yes very much with sony 20mm 1.8.
I love it.
Used it with the laowa probe lens. ISO12800 makes F14 super easy to work with, without going blind due to the amount of light it would otherwise require.
@@TommyCallaway Hahahaha, I have that lens as well and yeah...takes crazy light to make that work at low iso
Nice camera, but you can't use 10 bit modes if you're editing with the free edition of Davinci Resolve. Even w/ 8 bit modes in DR, I'm getting some slight lag when color grading - not enough to bother me, but just enough to make me wonder for 1-2 seconds whether the software crashed. Of course that means I'm not currently able to use the 10 bit modes, not until I get the paid Studio version of DR.
Also, keep in mind I've heard the xavc-s and Intra codecs by Sony can be finicky on any editing system due to the amount of decoding/decompression the processors have to do. Strange that no one is talking about that. But when I posted on a Davinci Resolve FB page about my technical problems, someone did mention the xavc codec being problematic.
I will say my test video in 8 bit mode s-log3 was fantastic. I can only imagine how it'll be when I'm able to use the 10 bit modes.
Lastly, the menu system is a beast. There are so many things to tweak that I took 3 days just getting familiar w/ the system.
I’ve had it out the box with very little time to get into it ... thanks Dan.
Thanks for such great piece of advice, Dan!
Don’t have a Sony a7siii but watched anyways. That rig was wicked!
Whoooooaaaaa! That My Dial thing.... BIG thanks, didn’t know about it! That will definetely come in handy. I’ve delivered a couple of big jobs with the a7S III so far, and I’m REALLY loving it! Fantastic camera.
Cheers,
Eivind
Awesome!!! So glad it helped
Dual gain ISO work in all profiles at different levels.
S-Log 2 / S-Log 3 : Low Base ISO 640 / High Base ISO 12,800
HLG: Low Base ISO 100 / High Base ISO 2000
Cine 2: Low Base ISO 50 / High Base ISO 1000
No Picture Profile: Low Base ISO 80 / High Base ISO 1600
Yup. The second gain is 4 stops above the native ISO of the picture profile that you're in.
what about new s-cinetone?
@@Ad3vodE low base 100 high base 2000
Great info here. Thank you.
Need a detailed tutorial for Sony a7s3 for beginners, your explanations are so nice and easy to understand.
Fantastic video. Love the ISO info at 7:30. Ran into an Slog3 grain issue and was perplexed why I had to be at 12800. Glad to see it's a known issue, and a safe solve. Thanks
wonder if in future like A7S4/5? there will be a triple ISO gain like at 50k 😮 that would be cool to see - clean night videos
This is easily the best review I’ve seen for this camera
Your rig looks awesome and very functional! Over the next 6 months, I'll hopefully build up a rig similar to that one, but it's expensive...Got to get some freelance work before I do that! FYI, another RUclipsr pointed out you can toggle off the monitor or viewfinder. Has anyone figured out if turning off the monitor leads to longer battery life?
Super solid video. Keep it up!!
Lots of good stuff here. Great job
Appreciate that Paul
I am busy tricking out my Sony A7S3 and this video gave me hope...because I've had some issues like Codexs issues and hand shake etc. I'm excited to get my Ninja! Thanks for this video Bro...btw your set looks dope!
Thanks Jesse!!!
Something to note with the Ninja V, you can only record 2 channels of audio directly to the Ninja V over HDMI. In HDMI output options you can choose to record 1+2 or 3+4, so a lav and a boom for example. Regardless great piece of kit and nice video :)
Useful stuff, thanks.
Great tutorial, thank you!!
Solid video I was going to be hitting on the shockless WB in mine a ton too 😂 it’s a nifty useful feature I’ve never experienced before
Thanks Cody! Yeah...it really comes in handy for weddings especially because I can't stop recording every time the light shifts
That setup looks freaking awesome Dan👍
Appreciate that!
Great video Dan. Glad you're enjoying your A7siii. After long thoughts I bought the Panasonic S5 instead of the sony. Couldn't be happier. Still great to see some features of the A7siii after all this time! BTW: I can change kelvin as well while recording :)
Nice!!! Panasonic definitely has some incredible features. I actually do have the S1H and love it. I really only ended up with the Sony because of AF and lenses but the Panasonic quality is awesome! I just wish they would adopt phase detection AF
@@learningcameras Panasonics colors suck
Thank you for a very informative video! By the way, what is the small tripod you are using in the video?
Hey man Great video! the set up is awsome...i got a sony a7sIII and i had previously an a7sII... I had a small rig 1984...and is it right that it doesn't match with the a7sIII? Another thing, i also have a small rig monitor focus 5" and i love it but with this as7III i can't see all the right image on the minitor, it's seems like not framing good...thank you and congratulations!
That ISO thing is really interesting.
I do a lot of videos in skating arenas where typically I'm at F5.6 SS 60 and ISO 3200 (on my fuji)
I'm wondering if with the a7SIII I'd go: F5.6, SS 60, ISO 12,800 (and throw on an ND filter) ..and I'd get less noise. Can't wait to try it. :-)
Hi Dan, I loved your tips, Thanx! But what did you use to connect the sony XLR- K3M to the top handle? And which smallrig top handle did you use?
I just found your channel and men, I felt in love with your edit style and reviews. Do you have any tut on how to achieve that?, thanks Dan.
Thanks Jimmy!!! I don't have much in terms of video tutorials but feel free to let me know things you would like to see and maybe I can put something together! Feel free to DM me on social too @learningcameras
I've been on the fence with the fx3 and a7siii, honestly just because of the audio interface. Using it on the fx3 with my 416 just sounds amazing. However, that top handle is an awful experience. I've been trying to find a video of someone using the XLRK with a hot shoe adapter so I could utilize a good top handle. This video just sold me on the a7s3!
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of the way Sony did the top handle for the FX3. But the XLR adapter for the SIII is a bit more versatile although I do wish the entire shotgun mic assembly could be removed. But adding that to the S3 helps a ton!
Thanks
Love the camera, got mine in the first USA shipment (Sony Pro Services Members Priority). Still waiting months on backorder for the XLR-K3M from Adorama, crazy. B&H has the XLR-K3M on backorder also. Love your work and vids Dan, thanks . Cheers
Awesome!!! I know, that K3M stock has been almost impossible to get. Thanks so much Gerald!!!
Amazing Sony 👍
I had a similar set up but had a big problem with the fan sound from the Ninja V. The K3m recording is so good that you will always hear the fan also if fan speed is low! How do you deal with this problem?
Thanks for the tips. One thing though, the FX6 is has RAW output via SDI.
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+ built in variable ND, a big one for me
Thanks for the tips. Btw, I was able to record in XAVC S-I 4K 60fps 600M 4:2:2 10bit using a SDXC II V90 card so I believe you don’t necessarily need a CFexpress Type A card.
correct, think it's only the S-i 4k120&hd240 that need CFexpress
The dual gain works in all modes at different ISO’s
Yup
My girlfriend gifted me one for Christmas! I'm so stoked to start shooting again!
That's awesome!!! Hang on to that girlfriend lol
Marry her!
Could you list the specific items in your setup?
What matte box?
Can you link us to the matte box on the lens please?
Great video as always. Interesting you prefer S-I mode. Some other reviewers prefer the H265 mode. I read an article that said H265 was very close to Prores 444 but 1% of the size. S-I mode has much higher bit rate than H265 but H265 uses a very clever compression algorithm that some argue packs in more detail than S-I. Have not been able to test it myself as I have not been able to upgrade from a Sony A7 III as yet...
very interesting, I did a video test recently comparing all internal codecs where highest quality 4k h265 took about 3 times less space vs 4k xavc s-i, but did make cpu temps 6c warmer
@@mirrorlessny Yes, h265 will be tougher on most editing systems due to its complex algorithms. But it will be very high quality and have smaller file sizes. xavc s-i will be light on editing systems (i.e. easy for them to process) but the file sizes will be MUCH larger, and the quality maybe slightly less than h265 - but the quality difference will likely be tough to spot for most.
@@paulfairchild8942 very interesting, I should do a visual quality test in future to see how different h265 codec choices fare against h264 s-i, thx for this info
Hi, a quick question when I set it to 1080p 100 why am I only getting 8bit as an option?
What mount did you use for the monitor? I’m looking to buy.
can you playback 4k120fps footage on camera's screen? or says not supported?
Hi, Is the 1600-12800 iso factor same with A7S2 and A7M3 also...?? I mean the bad spectrum between these two values...
what matte box and little tripod are you using
Good camera
But why no full sensor readout for video 3:2? I just don't understand it. Hopefully this is resolved with firmware in the future.
Do you have any videos or explanations of how you put together your smallrig setup? I have the smallrig w a7s3, k3m, side handle...just need to figure out which top handle to get and how to fit it in with that small space.
Hey! So I don't but feel free to message me on FB @learningcameras and I can send you a picture or video
Thanks Dan! What is the thingy directly mounted on your cage, upon which you put the monitor and the xlr adapter?
Just one of these top handles: bhpho.to/3q5TZnr
@@learningcameras thanks! Nice top handle, but I meant the thing you used to attach your monitor to the cage
What is the device that allows you to connect Sony cold shoe from the side for the audio sir?
So the Sony XLR adapter comes with a cable that allows you to mount the unit itself to any coldshoe (and my cage allowed me to mount a coldshoe port on the side of the handle) and the cable connects the XLR adapter electronics to the camera hotshoe. I didn't have to buy anything except the XLR unit, cage and a 1/4 20 coldshoe mount which I have links for in the video description!
I'm still waiting for mine, but I'm curious (and thinking ahead to my workflow):
If I have about 45 minutes of 1080p 60 footage, how long would it take Catalyst Browse to stabilize that? (roughly)
It stabilized extremely fast...like seconds since it isn't analyzing the footage like an editor but just processing the gyro data but then you have to re export it and that process can take a few minutes for a 30 second clip just like any other export
Kitoko = Amazing
Any work arounds for capturing custom white balance in memory recall modes? I really can’t believe they locked that feature out when using the memory recall
Set auto whitebalance in memory recall, place a Grey card in front of the camera, wait 2 seconds and hit whitebalance lock (via custom button)
hi, great vid! regarding that weird dual gain iso thing, is that just in s-log? if i shoot the standard out staright out of camera profile is the iso normal, i.e. no weird jumps? thanks
if I'm not mistaking standard pic profile base iso is 80 & dual gain is at 1600,
Thanks for a great video. One question, though. At 3:48 -- Doesn't the FX6 output raw just like the A7s3? Or are you just saying the FX6 (unlike the C200 or whatever) doesn't record raw internally? Either way, it sounds like you're saying the A7siii can do something with raw output that the FX6 can't. Might want to clarify (or feel free to correct me if I'm off my rocker here).
Hey! So I didn't clarify that point well. The FX6 can output raw but not over hdmi for whatever reason. It requires SDI and a $1200+ large recorder while the SIII can do it easily over the full size hdmi port to the Ninja V monitor for $600. Probably should have expanded more that I was saying it doesn't do it over hdmi. I've got the FX6 in now though! I'll be shooting a video on it on Thursday so hit me up if you have any questions!
@@learningcameras OK -- makes total sense. I should have remembered that from my fs5 days. Thanks for the fast reply!
Clear image zoom in 4K works better than 1080 by a hair and doesn’t break workflow (a million setting changes). Set zoom speed to 8x speed so it’s not so slow
Hi Dan. Awesome video and great tips! What accessory/cold shoe mount are you using to attach your XLR-K3M to the SmallRig handle? Are you still using the K3m? Do you use your Rode NTG for more run and gun style shooting? (I'm debating between the Rode NTG, K3M or ECM-B1m for travel vlogging).
Hey! So I literally just attached a cold shoe amzn.to/3l2tixl to the side of the handle. I use the K3M in the studio because it has phantom power and I need it for a mic I use but I rarely use it for run and gun stuff. I'd rather just use the Rode NTG straight to the camera via the 1/8" mic jack
@@learningcameras Thanks Dan!
Appreciate the work. Your black background and dark set makes it hard to see the camera.
What matte box is that on the rig?
Please link the matte box ...
For what is this big setup? Can you vlog with it XD i mean I usually film short movies or travel documentary and for the later its maybe too big no?
It's a great handheld rig for weddings, events, or doc style content / commercials
a lot of mistakes but I am happy to know that 1080p works that great.
1080p quality is some of the best, if not the best, it's downscaled from 4k 😮💪
What small rig adapter did you use to attach the Sony XLR-K3M adapter to the side of the handle? Did it work out pretty good?
Hey! So I just added a Smallrig cold shoe to the side of the top handle to mount my K3M. The cage is linked in the vid description. No problem with the setup although I do wish the volume controls were on the back not the side but that's an issue with the K3M layout not really the mounting.
When I record in 1080p on my a7siii, the resolution comes out as 1920 x 1072. Do you know how to fix this?
I use Premiere & it's nothing to worry about, videos you edit come out as 1080p
@@mirrorlessny thanks mate!
Dan what is the product you’re using to relocate the xlr piece from the digital interface shoe? I’m trying to find a way to relocate my K3m but can’t find it.
Ernesto Maldonado I’m also interested in this
Me three.
By the way I misspoke. I don’t have the k3m. I’ve the other digital interface Sony mic. But I need to put my handle on top but the mic is too tall and it doesn’t fit when the mic is on the multi interface shoe.
Looks like the K3M comes with an extension cable.
helpguide.sony.net/ilc/1920/v1/en/contents/TP0002394921.html
Hey! So all I did is mount a coldshoe mount: amzn.to/3ppTF0T to the side of the handle that comes with the smallrig master kit amzn.to/3rspic2
@Dan Watson, could you please tell me what mini tripod you are using for this setup?
It is one that came with my Zhyiun gimbal
@@learningcameras Thank you!
I just want to know what the best Sony camera is for a intermediate photographer
Probably the Sony A7III or A7c if you want a more casual camera
Hey Dan,
do you still think A7SIII is the best hybrid camera in 2020?
Not really for hybrid. I still think 12mp is a bit low for photography especially if you have to deliver those images to a client
Hi Dan great video. I have heard a7siii after 30min with XLR connector overheats and shuts down in 4k 30p.
I shoot my RUclips videos with that setup in 4k24 and haven't had an overheating warning. I've shot over an hour but I didn't try any major overheating tests with the adapter
@@learningcameras I'm quite sure it will overheat at 30 min with XLR adapter at 24p aswell.
@@spicyyetumami Again, hasn't in 30 minutes but I'll test it out to see how long it takes. You have me curious now!
@@learningcameras great work👍. Have been following your channel from long time back.
How did you mount the Sony XLR-K3M on the side like that? Do you have a hot shoe extender that works with the A7S3?
The K3M comes with an off-camera hot shoe in the box! Unfortunately Sony does not sell that item as a standalone product.
@@krishnastock Oh ok had no idea, I have the older K2M model.
Thanks Orville! Yep, the K3M adapter allows you to use it off the camera hotshoe which is awesome
I notice you didn't cage the Ninja V. Is it worth it? I have the Ninja cage in my shopping basket but haven't yet pulled the trigger.
Personally I mostly use the Ninja in a studio type setting so the rig isn't exactly needed but it could protect it if you use it in the field
I get sporadic screen latency at times filming in 4k 60p. Do you think this could have to do with my memory cards not being V90?
using ProGrade 64gb v90 & I get some brief graphical glitches, it's rare but enough to remember
Does it interrupt the recording? What kind of glitches? I upgraded to 2.1 firmware and it’s hasnt happened since I upgraded
@@HiFocusedCinematography I'm still on 2.0, for example last file corruption was for about a 1second towards the end of 1min clip 1080p 30fps 8bit, it's minor but enough to notice
@@mirrorlessny try upgrade to 2.1 and see if that fixes it.
@@HiFocusedCinematography thx yea it might but ill probably wait for 2.2 update
I love my A7S III for sure but I don't agree with down playing the FX6, yes the XLR adapter does put it on par with the FX6 especially since its also on the handle and if you strip it down you lose the XLR, but FX6 DOES do RAW output as well through SDI to the Shogun 7 and you can not beat Sony's E-VND system. Sony has also said it is dual ISO but they don't officially call it dual ISO because you lose DR on the circuit switch. So to them because you lose DR they don't consider it true dual ISO.
So with the shogun 7 and sdi required for raw output, that really sets the FX6 WAY above the price of an A7SIII even fully rigged. It also can't do 4k120 without S&Q and If I remember correctly most lower bitrate options are 8 bit only. I'm just surprised that thr A7SIII is sooo good it actually seems better to me than the FX6 in quite a few areas
Agreed if price and value are a concern over quality I agree A7SIII is best bang for buck.
Between the A7SIII and FX6 that is, hands down the A7SIII is incredible camera.
On Slog 3 ISO should be kept below 1600 and above 12800? Could you explain why pls? Thanks
Yes, the camera has a dual gain sensor can switch circuits at different ISO's to provide lower noise. On the S3 in slog, the dual gain is 800 ISO and 12,800 ISO so those are the two lowest noise settings. Anything above 1600 ISO is actually noisier than 12,800 ISO since there is a significant drop in noise at 12,800 ISO.
@@learningcameras thanks bro, i just got my unit day before yesterday! Looking into everything now! Need more information still :)
What kind of Grip is that and any links too it?
This is the grip: amzn.to/2MbdISw
Do you happen to have a link to that grip on your cage?
Yep! Here it is: amzn.to/2MbdISw
@@learningcameras thank you!!!
Can you used the gyro stabilization with manual lenses?
Yep!
@@learningcameras you’ve actually tested it with manual lenses? What lens was it? Thanks!
Doesn’t anyone know how you can get the A7siii to show under -2.0 (EV) and not hurt start blinking when EV is -2.0
Meaning it shows -2.7 EV up to -3.0EV
You forgot the major fact about A7SIII, that it is not available in half the world and for a pretty long time still.
So if I’m shooting in the middle of the day on slog 3 I still should use ISO 12800??
why ? during daytime you should be able to shoot at base ISO = 640?
@@mirrorlessny I think he was saying to use it at 12800 but not sure if there is a lower base ISO for slog 3 that looks good a well.
@@JoelRiveraMD 640 is base iso in slog3 = best dynamic range,,,, if environment is too dark & you must raise iso - than 12800 would be a great choice because that's when secondary iso circuit kicks in & things clear up a lot
@@mirrorlessny thanks for the explanation
@@JoelRiveraMD of course, glad to help some of these things are very confusing at first, I haven't experimented much with slog3 yet - trying to learn the basics
try out pixieset
what ND filter holder is that, and what nd's are you using?
Hey! So my day to day is this one: bhpho.to/3c0PvJo but the one I was using on the camera for this with square ND filters was this: bhpho.to/3qyEHWQ though usually I use this more often for landscape photo shoots
@@learningcameras cheers mate
DRO on or off? It seems you work with on... 🤔 ...
I only turn it on when I might not be doing a bunch of color editing in post. If I am editing in post, I'd leave this off. It can help with dynamic range but can make things more noisy and maybe you don't want to raise the shadows....which is basically what it is doing
I’ve noticed some detail loss/burry areas when shooting wide angle when shooting in xavc-hs
I’m not sure if it was the codec or maybe I forgot to turn off ibis while using the gimbal but I might do a codec test and see what’s up. How you experiences any of that? Only noticeable on larger screens
So I have not noticed it but it could be either the lens itself being wide angle or the IBIS can sometimes not play nice with wide angle lenses
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A7SIII GLITCH: FREEZE DURING RECORDING?? I used an a7siii rental for a wedding then. I used a different a7siii rental again this past weekend with the same glitch preset. I CANNOT BE THE ONLY ONE running into this. Camera freezes during recording and becomes unresponsive. Only taking the battery out and putting it back in resets the camera to begin filming again. Otherwise the screen is black if you just turn it off and on. Why aren't more users reporting this? This is clearly a widespread issue if two different camera bodies share the same glitch. It's only a matter of time before the camera glitches while trying to record a moment that cannot be staged again. What the heck is going on??
Just FYI, you don't need a CFExpress Type - A card to record 4k 60fps ALL-I. All you need is a V90 card.
I think I said just to unlock the 120 mode you need that
@@learningcameras At the 13:15 mark you were talking about 4k 60p ALL-I (Not S&Q) and said that you would need a CFExpress Type-A card.
I also agree that it may sound like CFExpress Type-A card is required for 4k 60fps All-I with how you said it at that part. But video is good. Thanks.
Great video but while we're talking inaccuracies, the badly beaten FX6 lol does shoot RAW as a meagre consolation
@@smallbizdigitalmedia Apparently Atomos just allowed it but only via the shogun which is weird. Very expensive and large kit compared to the V and not over hdmi
Except with S&Q it gets rid of sound, so not the best hack!
why in the heck i need to go 1080 on APC bruh just get a bigger lens stop making it complicated
please don't call it hacking
When you say ‘keep it below 1600 or above 12,800’, I’m guessing you didn’t mean ‘above 12,800’ but rather ‘precisely 12,800’. I can see the quality starts to fall off quickly once you pass that second sweet spot.
So yeah, obviously it gets worse as you move it up past 12,800 but if you NEED to shoot higher ISO, you can...I just wouldn't use 3200 or 6400 since you actually get better quality at 12,800
@@learningcameras yes, that makes sense and accords with my own thinking/experience. Many thanks again for the video and for taking the time to respond!
Where are the hacks? speccsheet basics here...
Did you spend $6000 to make a A7s3 a FX6
Maybe 5k to make it arguably better than an FX6
Dan Watson Fist off dig your channel. Great info always, but... How do you figure better? And for who?
@@rodneyteague7450 Thanks! So granted, I have not gotten the FX6 in yet but the AF system with touch AF works better on the A7SIII and the screen on the FX6 is still not amazing so you would likely want to add an external monitor as well. Plus, the FX6 only can do 4k120 in S&Q mode, has no external audio option unless you use the handle, and lacks image stabilization so there are definitely a few upsides to a A7SIII kit in addition to it being cheaper and more mobile if you want it
Yes I def understand those short clonings. I have a FX6 on pre order and am still debating if that’s the right decision. I don’t shoot movies like most of the people who dream of cameras lol. But I do make a living off my camera so it’s never just a blind purchase. As I find ways to give away Sony ex1”s and Fs700’s I know if buying a camera it has to be a brick house as it’s my paycheck. And yes the debate in my head is fierce at this moment. Partially because the delayed release I’m sure, but also the reviews granted not truly hands on w production model seem to lean a7s3. Just not sure if for me as I’ve done the dslr thing before fits.
Why all that gear? Just get cinema camera if you are going to mount all that stuff. I am getting the camera due to its smaller factor. Otherwise just get a c70
Well, in about 1 minute you can make it super small to throw on a gimbal or in a tight space but deck it out with all the gear and blow away most other cinema cameras. Problem with a "cinema" camera is they don't break down as small, usually don't have RAW output, and lack IBIS
@@learningcameras I have an A7Siii, but just in the interest of accuracy, the Canon C300m3 and C500m2 both do raw internally. (The C70 won't). I agree that you'd need a pretty big gimbal to put a C300m3 or FX9, to say nothing of more than doubling the cost. A really, reallly neat feature of the C300 and C500 is that you can feed AES external digital audio directly into the camera. (I'm primarily a sound recording guy, and you can get better mic preamps and A/D than are in the sony KM3. I hope Sony comes up with a KM4 that will do that someday; it should be possible.)
... ha, ha! Really? All I wan‘t is FF ... sorry for that, but no need for a c70.
can you put time stamps please? you blabber too much
a lot of money just for the name and marketing. wait until you test it in over 35 Celsius...bye-bye Sony. this equipment is more suitable for events, but not for nature.
Well, they have that too... It's called the FX3