+Dwarfurious To be fair, Skaven seem to have less of a functioning society and more of a continual series of betrayals and power struggles masquerading as a society.
+DarkLordOfSweden They form clans and most have a meritocracy, they have broodmothers that pump out neverending New generations and skaven cities have a cycle of regeneration with whole neighbourhoods collapsing in Earth slides only to be rebuilt almost instantly by new generations of skaven. They have world wide transport system ony rivaled by the Wood Elf world root system, they have functioning body of laws that keep society together and the constant betreyals only Ensure the smartest skaven are at the top which prevents degeneration as we have in human society as the more prosperous we become the more lazy we become, the skaven will always have threat/danger keeping the smartest alive and the dumbest dead. Murder for the skaven is social engineering like abortion is for human society.
One mistake- the Council of Thirteen actually only has only 12 members. The final seat is left empty as it's reserved symbolically for the Horned Rat. According to fluff there is sometimes a nebulous presence occupying the 13th seat during meetings. Whether it's actually the Great Horned One or perhaps a Verminlord sitting in on his behalf is not known. No Skaven would dare ask!
Arch Warhammer I think they would live on fine, just a decrease in actually productivity, such as less empire towns "randomly" disappearing, although prehaps a verminlord would take the horned rats mantle, or the grey seers would keep the skaven together, along with the fact that if open war breaks out between skaven clans, most of them would suddenly find them selves screwed as they can no longer get massive rat based monsters from moulder, or ridiculous awesome warmachines from skyre, or elite espionage from Eshins, etc. although, since most skaven give pestilins an odd look they would probably get murdered. but no one would want to piss off the other three major clans, especially eshins.
Penguin cat but what keeps the Major clans from fighting? and what would stop clans Moulder and Skyre from destroying/absorbing Eshin and Pestilins, as they have no standing armys? and what keeps their society standing in the first case? Though a war between Skyre and Moulder would be awesome.
The major clans are alredy at a stand-off, they couldn't beat one another, unless we are talking end-times, in which case 90% of pestilins is dead anyway, and for Eshins, NO ONE wants to piss off Eshin, the moment the thought of attacking them came to your head your would have a knife in your back, the only people mad enough to attack eshins would be skyre, but eshins could bugger off without a trace i would imagine. But as i said pestilins future would be very shaky, there was a civil war versus the pestilins clan, however the horned rat stopped it, i would imagine with his death it could restart.
I missread that as ''fashion skaven'' and thne Imagined the most fabulous. fashionable, flamboyant and colourful skavens, oh by the gods was it fantastic.
Well, they united once... There was a particular Blackorc Waaaghboss who just singlehandetly kicked their ass enough to force them to unite. Which, sadley, didn´t help them at all, they were just really lucky that our good old friend Grimgor became bored and planned to cross a insuperable mountain pass with his army just to show he could...
Hypothesis- The horned rat started as a demon of Nurgle who then found the Skaven ‘what became clan pestilence’ and used their resulting worship of him to boost his own power, which in term caused the daemon to ascend to godhood in his own right (because there are a fuck ton of skaven to worship him). This worship also changed the daemons appearance to reflect the skaven themselves since all chaos gods are reflections of their worshipers.
Fits with clan pestilence, they are very nurgle indeed but the horned rat and its children seem to embody aspects of tzeentch, khorne ans slanees as well. The poem about their origin hints more into the direction of tzeentch I guess. Hope we will never know.
Your best video so far, Arch. Skaven will be one of the most interesting factions to play. I am also very excited about Dwarves and Orcs and Goblins :)
Anyone else starting to wonder if the Great Horned Rat is actually the Skaven version of Chaos Undivided and the 4 Great Clans are actually dedicated to one of the Warp gods?
Two words regarding Skavens: Grimgor Ironhide. The only time the Skavens ever united was the threat of Grimgor Ironhide. And even then the Skavens were not able to hold him off. He just decided to go someplace else to find something bigger and badder to kill.
How powerful is the Horned Rat? Since Skaven are so numerous, and all worship him I would image that he are the most powerful Chaos god that aren't one of the big four.
Jens Heika Simonsen I wouldn't be surprised if the Horned Rat was weaker than the bitch gods like Sigmar, but he was clever enough or something to be on an equal level
I'm still no expert myself, but here are a few things I've learned: 1. Get your hands on some Clan Eshin units. Their assassins can ambush enemies and are strong in hand-to-hand combat, and their gutter runners can outflank enemies. 2. If you use moulder units or stormfiends, buy at least three packmasters. Stormfiends especially will crush anything in their way if they're buffed with packmasters. Hope that helps you start!
Hm, the skaven are very interesting. If they are implemented in Warhammer Total War (I hope they are), maybe they will be arranged similarly to the Romans in the first Rome Total War, in wich the major three clans (not counting the ninja guys) are separate factions but all respond to the Council of 13 (something like Rome 1's SPQR), but outside of that they are mostly independent, fighting eachother and stuff. Eventually, when one of the 3 clans gets too powerful, the other clans and the Council would try to docpile it. If that clan is the clan you are playing as, you may be able to beat them, conquer them, unify the skaven race and take over the world.
+Genetic Heresy Skryre is the only skaven engineers that standardize and Write Down some of their Tech. Most Skaven Tech is unique since the engineers keep the blueprints in their head not wanting to share or risk writing it Down for it to be stolen. So they dont have the technological advancement you might expect. In fact the Tech of the old world is degenerating or stagnant at best. The dwarves are stuck With the Guild preventing innovation, the Empire dependent on far between geniuses not only being born but also getting the opportunity to study, the Nuln engineering Schools are more for mass Production and standardization instead of innovation. For example the Empire barely knows how to fix their steam tanks and they don't know how to construct new ones. And the Skaven, well, they dont want to share their Tech With each other or future generations.
+Genetic Heresy As much as I love Orcs, if you're losing 5-6 slaves for every orc boy, you're trading up. There are a hell of alot more Skaven than orcs, and you could lose 20 slaves for each boy and still break even if not overwhealm the enemy.
If the Skaven could just co-operate for a month, they would easily overthrow all of the other factions and take control. But then it would take far less than a month, their empire would crumble.
hey congratz with your success on the channel man, recently started wtching you myself(after TW Warhammer cinematic) and you really do know your stuff, you are a great comentator and you are easy to understand and pick up information from,plus you are good at using your language and speaking in a way that keeps peoples attention :) i knew most of this cuz i love skaven but listening to you describing them kinda re-newed my love for them :) keep up the good work :)
+Arch Warhammer i for one would really like to see a video focused more on the origins of the skaven, when they date back to and first originated and also the same things for the horned rat, ie why he is worshipped, what makes him so feared and powerful etc and what abilities if any he imparts on his most devout skaven followers, keep up the good work Arch, loving the videos ;p
Thanquol paced. The plan was not going well. Surely, thought Thanquol, he was the most potent of mage-rats, the most exalted of the Council's agents. Why, then, did the Lords of Decay keep sending him inferiors to work with? Warlord Skrich of Clan Krik had jeopardised the task of destroying Citadelle La Bouef. True, Thanquol had promised the drawbridges would be down, but that had been the fault of those worthless Gutter Runners. Yes, the poison Thanquol had bought for them turned out to be so watered down as to be safely drinkable, but he had saved many warptokens. Thanquol gnawed his pale, rubbery tail, recalling how the Duke had counter-attacked, sending the Clanrats fleeing. The fool Assassin should have already slain that manling! Of course, Thanquol had reassigned the Assassin to kill several upstart Skaven in his own ranks, a mission from which the Clan Eshin agent had never returned. Such failures could only be devious sabotage! But who, thought Thanquol, would dare match wits with so mighty a personage as himself? The hidden foe must be dangerous indeed.
seltin1988 sounds good,might wanna send it up to gav thorpe or some other black library author,it might make a real good book,hell I'd pay for a book written in the skavens perspective with my left testicle and a kidney at this point,anything except the end times nonsense
Some of the Gotrek and Felix novels involve the Skaven and you get to see things from their point of view. It is appropriately hilarious. Grey-Seer Thanquol that is quoted up there is one of the main POV Skaven characters.
@@TheCorrodedMan i think thats an excerpt from the story of Thanquols rivalry with Queek whom he attempted to get killed numerous times, but ended up being foiled because no skaven had the guts or the strength or indeed the cunning to take out Queek... there was a third skaven involved as well, but i can't remember his name, only that he had a warpstone tooth that he could crack for emergency power which he did when a skaven assassin tried to gut him.
I am hyped for even the possibility the Skaven might end up in Total Warhammer. I will cry manly tears of joy if they end up in the game. Oh, and CLAN SKRYRE FOREVER! YES YES!
***** Didn't they mention at one point something about making entire parts of the old World in the expansions? Like lustria would be added to the old World in the Lizardmen expansion and ETC.?
While they havent been added into total war Warhammer there are too many hints of the Skaven in the game that practically confirms that they will be in the upcoming games.
I love how this video made me want to play Warhammer Fantasy roleplay just to be a Skaven, thanks to this I now have an all-time favorite fantasy RPG and am a total addict to anything Warhammer related. Thanks Arch, you gave me an addiction that can only rival my alcoholism.
@@TheCorrodedMan in the books the skaven drilling equipment stops working because of the way stones around Ulthuan. The way stones suck up magic and since all their equipment runs on warp stone it stops working.
Great Video man; you captured their element rather well. Although I do distinctly remember clan Eshin's leader not being Deathmaster Snikch but Nightlord Sneek who unfashionably unskaven has Snikch's unwavering fealty as outlined in the book 'Temple of the Serpent', from the Grey Seer series. Good Commentating though.
I'm more than half convinced that the mat for Warhammer Total War will feature both a normal map as well an underground map. You can't represent dwarves,goblins and especially scaven without it.
You mentioned in the video about the factions of total war warhammer (Geopolitics (Minor Factions) thet the skavens saved the world twice. would love to hear the story about that!
A race that raises warriors so fast it puts undead and greenskins to shame while having fighters so skilled and nimble that only elven warriors can match them. What's not to love?
In a Total War game; I could easily see them as a form of "Random" invasion coming directly at your doors, preceded by various "signs" such as plagues for example.
Nurglich is their Plague Lord. Head of the clan for anyone confused. I just found that out a while back. I thought Nurglich was their name for their version of the Horned One.
This whole question of whether or not they end up in the game baffles me. All the major factions should be available in the vanilla game. Leave factions like Kislev etc to DLC.
thus far it looks more like they are doing this in baby steps both to milk money out of this and to lessen the burden on their staff. now all we have now is the old world itself, so of course none of the factions outside the old world will appear unless they add two more whole maps to the game, which those most likely will be the major DLC's while everyone else is being released in steps.
Step 1: Release unfinished game at full price. Step 2: Finish section of game. Step 3: Sell section separately for price of a new game. Step 4: Rinse and repeat. In other news, rumor has it that they intend to release Warhammer games in a trilogy that are supposedly possible to play as standalone or together. The datamined information that was apparently correct in predicting the Beastmen and Wood Elves as the first faction DLCs also predicted Skaven to be DLC number 8. Time will tell if it is correct.
Lords of Terra: sending an assassin takes so much time and paperwork that the target might be dead long before the hit is authorized. Council of 13: Assassination? Yes Yes Yes Yes....and a small coffee.
I played alot of Total War games since Rome:Total War, but got tired of the simplicity after a while, i do only play it for the massive battles and good graphics. Once i played Crusader Kings 2 and Europa Universalis 4 i realised that the depth of the Total War games are non existent, if you compare the both. Not meaning to bash Total War, but if you havent played CK2 then you should. There is a great mod for it, called warhammer geheimnisnacht. As always, great video, love these lore videos! Keep up the good work.
My one problem with CK2 and paradox games in general which i love and lay, is that they do have a learning curve that can make getting into it difficult. Yet once one does learn they are so fun.
The council of thirteen isn't comprised of the 13 most powerful clans, but rather 11, plus the Gray Seers who is always granted a seat, and the final empty seat is reserved for the Horned Rat. Since the Horned Rat doesn't really go to any meetings, the Gray Seers "decipher" the Horned Rats intentions and votes for him. This basically gives the Gray Seers 2 permanent seats at the council.
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The Skaven were made thanks to warpstone which is the "Chaos" magic you mentioned in the video as it is pure chaos. It was introduced to the city by a strange hooded man thousands of years ago who was hired by the Humans and Dwarves of the city to help build a tower to honor the gods (a reference to the tower of babel in the bible which did not end well) but after he built it they refused to pay him and thus he closed the doors to the tower and a giant bell which he put inside the tower rang across the city and I think contained warpstone which got released across the city. I think due to the rat ancestors of the skaven proximity to it influenced thier biology making them bigger, more intelligent and more aggressive. It became so until they actually managed to kill the Humans and Dwarves in the city what would be known as Skavenblight which is in Tilea which is south of the Empire and west of Brettonia and is probably considered no mans land there. Also if your wondering about the old man he just left after the people refused to pay him so I assume the warpstone bell tower was just a backup plan incase the people didnt pay him which probably worked too well as it created an entire new race to the world. Also thier are theories that the Horned rat is in fact a greater daemon of Tzeentch or even perhaps Nurgle. Or it could be some lovechild of both gods they refused to acknowlege lol Also warpstone is now at the very heart of skaven society as it is used to power everything from machines to even a Grey Seer who sniffs the warpstone to power his magic(a reprensative of the council of 13 and thus the Horned Rat and thier version of mages). They depend on warpstone so much that they will go to war with other races just to get a supply of it.
Ohhhh a connoisseur :D did you know that the particular theory you present (found in skaven army book 4th ED if memory serves) is based on the old norse myth of Gylfaginning? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sva%C3%B0ilfari It's my favorite explanation of the skavens existence personally although it was written by a human scholar sooooo i cant take it entirely for truth ;)
Arch Warhammer I like to think that the old man in this theory is Drachenfels since he would be the type of guy to do this type of thing and has been alive when the skaven first came into existence
C Dyar That is an interesting theory! it would certainly suite his disposition both as spies and as a potential future army, but he couldn't control the skaven as either the skaven created the Horned Rat in the realms of Chaos or the Horned Rat was an already existing daemon that somehow influenced what ever spell Drachenfels had placed. Very interesting indeed.
Nice vid.I know im late and tbh i did not play Warhammer tabletop for a long time so im not up to date with new lore stuff but for me The Horned Rat was a manifestation of the United Chaos so chaos has 4 aspekts and they are reflectet in the 4 big clans
Also, this video came out months ago now, but you better mention the doomsday device that the Skaven *lost* because they couldn't work together for 15 minutes.
I honestly think all the races will be added into the game but they might condense them down such as Beastmen being part of chaos and night goblins apart of the orcs and goblins and maybe some of the human factions would make a large force
Beastmen + Chaos and Orc & Goblins + night goblins could work just fine, i personally suspect we will only get 3-4 factions on launch and then we get milked like happy little cash cattle for the rest and a metric ton of unite DLC and you know what? if its proper DLC with new models and animations and well thought out and implemented factions, then i really wont mind.
Constructive criticism time! As usual the video is excellently written and you tell it interestingly and sometimes amusingly; as someone who knows nothing of Warhammer I really appreciate how these videos slowly unfold the lore etc. to me. One thing I appreciate about this video is that you changed the images a lot throughout, where previously there hasnt been much point in watching the video, just listening to it. And whilst I'm entirely happy to listen to these videos and play Mount and Blade Warband at the same time, I dont know about everyone. I think you should have a lot more images (and even videos, i dont know material's out there) and it should directly correspond more to what you're saying. Keep making these videos though :D im enjoying them
Yeah the images are somewhat problematic, a lot of warhammer art is very small in resolution (100x100 fks) so the pictures and relevance is often hard to come by so much that i have almost given up on that... i try to simply offer up some of the factions art and general feel really, but yeah your way of listening while playing something is probably the way to go.
A Skaven focused game might work pretty well. Starting as a lowly clan rat and working your way through Skaven society, defeating high ranking lords, buying skryre weapons and avoiding assassins.
All in all, I'd say they did a pretty good job, Skaven FEEL like Skaven in the game. Can't help but to miss the ratling gun and the snipers, but I hope they'll be coming in a DLC with the lizards (like they did with the first game). Maybe even a Lord that stays in the Old World, considering Skaven should be there even more than they are in Lustria (with luck, maybe even a Verminlord)
ha ha, why didn't I know you'd like skaven best too. I played them in an event when I was really young, like 7 or 8 and got a box of plastic skaven warriors to paint. never really bothered with fantasy much though again till after reading gotrek and felix and when the skaven come into those books it gives you great insight into the politics and stuff and it's all just really funny. Also the "pile on top" style of gameplay is fun. What klan do you favour? Pestilens for me probably as I like Nurgle, but I like all of them really and with all 4 Klans you could get a really varied list for Total War. Definitely should be next faction, but it'll probably be Elves.
I have a good feeling that it's going to be skaven, in the game you get a random event called ''the disappeared'' and it reads that whole districts of people go missing during the night with only a triangle on a gate or door left, i believe this triangle is the skaven triangle thingy and is a subtle nod from CA that they're going to add skaven.
Grimgor also mentions them at one point, and the Scoured Mine encyclopedia talks of Red-Eyed and Be-tailed creatures. Skaven have also been datamined along with Tomb Kings, Wood Elves, beastmen and Ogres.
+MidnighWolf I get massive "Overlord-vibes from that. A badass chaos warrior commanding a big platoon of Skaven as his "minions." (The Overlord-games, not the anime...)
i know of one incident where Skaven 'accidentally' saved the world from a big threat. i think that threat was Nagash or smth. they were suppose to give him some sort of artifact, but snubbed him at the last second which foiled his plans.
+Sir Keeper Even with their untrusting and traitorous mindset, skaven are by nature social creatures. Skaven can't stand to be alone and with the exception of disciplined clan eshin assassins, they will often panic if they are separated from the larger group. Skaven are only comfortable in the anonymity offered by a crowd, and besides, it is smarter to band together and combine arms than to split up and be killed or taken into slavery by another clan.
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Only took you 3 minutes to convince me Skaven could never form a functioning society without wiping themselves out faster than Orks with Windex.
+Dwarfurious To be fair, Skaven seem to have less of a functioning society and more of a continual series of betrayals and power struggles masquerading as a society.
yea, as long as there is a bigger, bader ork arund, orks will cooperate somewhat. skaven scarcely do that even then
+DarkLordOfSweden They form clans and most have a meritocracy, they have broodmothers that pump out neverending New generations and skaven cities have a cycle of regeneration with whole neighbourhoods collapsing in Earth slides only to be rebuilt almost instantly by new generations of skaven. They have world wide transport system ony rivaled by the Wood Elf world root system, they have functioning body of laws that keep society together and the constant betreyals only Ensure the smartest skaven are at the top which prevents degeneration as we have in human society as the more prosperous we become the more lazy we become, the skaven will always have threat/danger keeping the smartest alive and the dumbest dead. Murder for the skaven is social engineering like abortion is for human society.
+Roy Fokker no no no. murder is faaar less contraversial among skaven than abortion is for us humans
+Roy Fokker no no no. murder is faaar less contraversial among skaven than abortion is for us humans
One mistake- the Council of Thirteen actually only has only 12 members. The final seat is left empty as it's reserved symbolically for the Horned Rat. According to fluff there is sometimes a nebulous presence occupying the 13th seat during meetings. Whether it's actually the Great Horned One or perhaps a Verminlord sitting in on his behalf is not known. No Skaven would dare ask!
So, basically, Skryre are nerds, Eshin are weaboo, Moulder are animal abusers and Pestilens just smell bad? It's like a fucking Internet.
+Self-replicating whatnot "Eshin are weeaboo" I fucking lost it
+The God Emperor of Mankind Right down to learning "Weaboo Fightan Magic" from "Glorious Nippon".
Reddragon Gaming Says the weaboo rat-thing.
JohnRaines hehe I know right it is pretty funny though weaboo rat ninjas haha
eshin=katana plonkers
Arch's enthusiasm for the Skaven definitely rubs off on you. I have, in fact, taken a liking to these bastards myself.
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Am I wrong in assuming that if the horned rat died, the scaven would collapse as soon as they were sure he wasn't coming back?
kurt sell Probably yes, as they would fall to infighting to an even greater degree that previously.
Arch Warhammer I think they would live on fine, just a decrease in actually productivity, such as less empire towns "randomly" disappearing, although prehaps a verminlord would take the horned rats mantle, or the grey seers would keep the skaven together, along with the fact that if open war breaks out between skaven clans, most of them would suddenly find them selves screwed as they can no longer get massive rat based monsters from moulder, or ridiculous awesome warmachines from skyre, or elite espionage from Eshins, etc. although, since most skaven give pestilins an odd look they would probably get murdered. but no one would want to piss off the other three major clans, especially eshins.
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but what keeps the Major clans from fighting? and what would stop clans Moulder and Skyre from destroying/absorbing Eshin and Pestilins, as they have no standing armys? and what keeps their society standing in the first case? Though a war between Skyre and Moulder would be awesome.
The major clans are alredy at a stand-off, they couldn't beat one another, unless we are talking end-times, in which case 90% of pestilins is dead anyway, and for Eshins, NO ONE wants to piss off Eshin, the moment the thought of attacking them came to your head your would have a knife in your back, the only people mad enough to attack eshins would be skyre, but eshins could bugger off without a trace i would imagine. But as i said pestilins future would be very shaky, there was a civil war versus the pestilins clan, however the horned rat stopped it, i would imagine with his death it could restart.
The Horned Rat is Nurgel in disguise
I missread that as ''fashion skaven'' and thne Imagined the most fabulous. fashionable, flamboyant and colourful skavens, oh by the gods was it fantastic.
Planken like the skeksis except with furry snouts and pink tails
Planken Gayvens?
Khaorix my fucking SIDES
Slaneshy skaven
Fashion Souls but Skaven
We're gonna need a whole lot of rat poison...
SinerAthin *Clan Pestilens would like to know your location*
Had to revisit some oldie but goodie that got me into warhammer to begin with.
Well, they united once... There was a particular Blackorc Waaaghboss who just singlehandetly kicked their ass enough to force them to unite. Which, sadley, didn´t help them at all, they were just really lucky that our good old friend Grimgor became bored and planned to cross a insuperable mountain pass with his army just to show he could...
Darthplagueis13 grimgor would fuck a cactus just to show he could,then he'd eat an ogre just to show he could
Aye....
This why orks is bestis
lol i'm watching this while my pet rat is sleeping on my stomach
at least one of us can sleep
be careful if you close your eyes....power means all to a rat.
well i think food means all to this one
It's a scheme within a scheme.
It's funny cause you think your rat is asleep.
It's just waiting for it's opportunity :)
As soon as you said "rat ninjas" I lost it. Now I can't help of thinking of the teenage mutant ninja turtles and the Ninja Rap.
Bruda Ezeekiel wonder if master splinter is their lord of decay
James.T .Adams I bet he would.
There is an episode of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles where they briefly come across mutant ninja rats.
@@TheCorrodedMan Master Splinter in his prime
I'm so proud! A month ago you were under 10 subs, now you're over 100! The very best for you!
isn't it magical :D
Hypothesis- The horned rat started as a demon of Nurgle who then found the Skaven ‘what became clan pestilence’ and used their resulting worship of him to boost his own power, which in term caused the daemon to ascend to godhood in his own right (because there are a fuck ton of skaven to worship him). This worship also changed the daemons appearance to reflect the skaven themselves since all chaos gods are reflections of their worshipers.
Fits with clan pestilence, they are very nurgle indeed but the horned rat and its children seem to embody aspects of tzeentch, khorne ans slanees as well. The poem about their origin hints more into the direction of tzeentch I guess. Hope we will never know.
For your skaven I shall allow a longer moment yes yes. But also; to be continued...
so nice to know the new york rats managed to survive for so long
Skaven is best race.
EJVZ Skaven master race
EJVZ screw the skaven lizardmen rule!!!
+EJVZ Filthy rat things will be crushed under the glorious axes and hammers of the dwarfs!
Heinz Guderian wrong war heinz there are no panzers here xD except the empire steam tanks xD
50cal space marine And the Dwafen Juggernaughts!
Your best video so far, Arch. Skaven will be one of the most interesting factions to play. I am also very excited about Dwarves and Orcs and Goblins :)
Thank you and your in luck i was going to do the Orcs nexst so you wont have that much longer to wait.
Are Skaven creatures of Chaos?
Arch: Nooo no no no!
***ten minutes later***
Arch: Warp stone, solidified Chaos, is their money! _squeak_
Anyone else starting to wonder if the Great Horned Rat is actually the Skaven version of Chaos Undivided and the 4 Great Clans are actually dedicated to one of the Warp gods?
The minute my brother told me about the Skaven they became my favourite race, and he recommended me your videos to watch more in debt
Two words regarding Skavens: Grimgor Ironhide.
The only time the Skavens ever united was the threat of Grimgor Ironhide. And even then the Skavens were not able to hold him off. He just decided to go someplace else to find something bigger and badder to kill.
But that doesn't mean anything really. If you throw Grimgor Ironhide at anything, they're going to die.
How powerful is the Horned Rat? Since Skaven are so numerous, and all worship him I would image that he are the most powerful Chaos god that aren't one of the big four.
***** Wouldn't surprise me.
Jens Heika Simonsen I could believe that the Horned Rat might be a physically weak God, but cunning or whatever else.
Jens Heika Simonsen I wouldn't be surprised if the Horned Rat was weaker than the bitch gods like Sigmar, but he was clever enough or something to be on an equal level
Actually tthe Horned Rat was officially added to the wheel of chaos so he's the 5th chaos god now, would hardly call that weak.
@@MrJaxxim We don't talk about End Times or Age of Sigmar
Glad you like the Skaven as much as I do! I've been collecting a Skaven AoS army the past few months, and I'm eager to see it grow.
Chris Wuebbolt tips for starting a Skaven army? I want to play tabletop but it's a lot
I'm still no expert myself, but here are a few things I've learned:
1. Get your hands on some Clan Eshin units. Their assassins can ambush enemies and are strong in hand-to-hand combat, and their gutter runners can outflank enemies.
2. If you use moulder units or stormfiends, buy at least three packmasters. Stormfiends especially will crush anything in their way if they're buffed with packmasters.
Hope that helps you start!
To show you the power of Flexsqueal, I gnawed this clan in half!
Not played in a long time, but I still have about 2000 points worth of 90s era skaven. Love the mad unpredictability of the war machines.
I like it how your favourite faction gets one of the shortest videos :P
He has two others about them. Sqweek.
I can see why you adore the Slaven Arch! They're pretty awesome! :D
Hm, the skaven are very interesting.
If they are implemented in Warhammer Total War (I hope they are), maybe they will be arranged similarly to the Romans in the first Rome Total War, in wich the major three clans (not counting the ninja guys) are separate factions but all respond to the Council of 13 (something like Rome 1's SPQR), but outside of that they are mostly independent, fighting eachother and stuff.
Eventually, when one of the 3 clans gets too powerful, the other clans and the Council would try to docpile it.
If that clan is the clan you are playing as, you may be able to beat them, conquer them, unify the skaven race and take over the world.
Mateo Pedro Gonzale de Azcuenaga That is an excellent idea.
+Mateo Pedro Gonzale de Azcuenaga nah that makes too much sense CA wouldnt go for that...unless by means of DLC
+Genetic Heresy Skryre is the only skaven engineers that standardize and Write Down some of their Tech. Most Skaven Tech is unique since the engineers keep the blueprints in their head not wanting to share or risk writing it Down for it to be stolen. So they dont have the technological advancement you might expect. In fact the Tech of the old world is degenerating or stagnant at best. The dwarves are stuck With the Guild preventing innovation, the Empire dependent on far between geniuses not only being born but also getting the opportunity to study, the Nuln engineering Schools are more for mass Production and standardization instead of innovation. For example the Empire barely knows how to fix their steam tanks and they don't know how to construct new ones. And the Skaven, well, they dont want to share their Tech With each other or future generations.
+Genetic Heresy As much as I love Orcs, if you're losing 5-6 slaves for every orc boy, you're trading up. There are a hell of alot more Skaven than orcs, and you could lose 20 slaves for each boy and still break even if not overwhealm the enemy.
Lies. There is no such thing as sentient ratmen. This is a lie spread by dissenters and traitors who have strayed from the path of Sigmar.
your videos are sooooo good!!!
If the Skaven could just co-operate for a month, they would easily overthrow all of the other factions and take control.
But then it would take far less than a month, their empire would crumble.
hey congratz with your success on the channel man, recently started wtching you myself(after TW Warhammer cinematic) and you really do know your stuff, you are a great comentator and you are easy to understand and pick up information from,plus you are good at using your language and speaking in a way that keeps peoples attention :) i knew most of this cuz i love skaven but listening to you describing them kinda re-newed my love for them :) keep up the good work :)
Bernt Rørvik thank you!
+Arch Warhammer i for one would really like to see a video focused more on the origins of the skaven, when they date back to and first originated and also the same things for the horned rat, ie why he is worshipped, what makes him so feared and powerful etc and what abilities if any he imparts on his most devout skaven followers, keep up the good work Arch, loving the videos ;p
I like-love the Skaven . . .
So basically Clan Pestilence is worshiping an aspect of Nargel.
i actually love his long videos! i actually prefer him over most others, who do like 9 mins of glossing over. plus his humor is waaay amazing!
Thanquol paced. The plan was not going well. Surely, thought Thanquol, he was the most potent of mage-rats, the most exalted of the Council's agents. Why, then, did the Lords of Decay keep sending him inferiors to work with? Warlord Skrich of Clan Krik had jeopardised the task of destroying Citadelle La Bouef. True, Thanquol had promised the drawbridges would be down, but that had been the fault of those worthless Gutter Runners. Yes, the poison Thanquol had bought for them turned out to be so watered down as to be safely drinkable, but he had saved many warptokens. Thanquol gnawed his pale, rubbery tail, recalling how the Duke had counter-attacked, sending the Clanrats fleeing. The fool Assassin should have already slain that manling! Of course, Thanquol had reassigned the Assassin to kill several upstart Skaven in his own ranks, a mission from which the Clan Eshin agent had never returned. Such failures could only be devious sabotage! But who, thought Thanquol, would dare match wits with so mighty a personage as himself? The hidden foe must be dangerous indeed.
seltin1988 fan fiction or a book you wrote,or that someone else wrote?
James.T .Adams just something i fund on reddit, in a skaven tread dont know if its completly correct as i was going on memory when i wrote it :)
seltin1988 sounds good,might wanna send it up to gav thorpe or some other black library author,it might make a real good book,hell I'd pay for a book written in the skavens perspective with my left testicle and a kidney at this point,anything except the end times nonsense
Some of the Gotrek and Felix novels involve the Skaven and you get to see things from their point of view. It is appropriately hilarious. Grey-Seer Thanquol that is quoted up there is one of the main POV Skaven characters.
@@TheCorrodedMan i think thats an excerpt from the story of Thanquols rivalry with Queek whom he attempted to get killed numerous times, but ended up being foiled because no skaven had the guts or the strength or indeed the cunning to take out Queek... there was a third skaven involved as well, but i can't remember his name, only that he had a warpstone tooth that he could crack for emergency power which he did when a skaven assassin tried to gut him.
13:12 im assuming they also trained some humanoid turtles in this time.
I am hyped for even the possibility the Skaven might end up in Total Warhammer. I will cry manly tears of joy if they end up in the game.
Oh, and CLAN SKRYRE FOREVER! YES YES!
+Fritts ShockTrooper They better make a burrow mechanic for skaven slaves or im gonna keep my money faaaaaar away from CA's pockets.
***** Didn't they mention at one point something about making entire parts of the old World in the expansions? Like lustria would be added to the old World in the Lizardmen expansion and ETC.?
While they havent been added into total war Warhammer there are too many hints of the Skaven in the game that practically confirms that they will be in the upcoming games.
I'll smash em rat thingz wid ma choppa!
Admiral Fritts TRAITOR!!!(chick chick,squeaky squeak)KILL KILL!!!!(throws warp stone at it)
Thank you! I played Skaven as a kid and it was very nice to get all this lore again. You sir, get my Warpstone Tokens!
Leaders: "Lords of Decay"
Active worshippers or not, they must considerably empower Grandfather Nurgle.
I love how this video made me want to play Warhammer Fantasy roleplay just to be a Skaven, thanks to this I now have an all-time favorite fantasy RPG and am a total addict to anything Warhammer related. Thanks Arch, you gave me an addiction that can only rival my alcoholism.
Nice video! Cleared up some questions i had about the skavens in warhammer vermintide! :D
I don't understand why this man doesn't have more subscribers.
I think the only reason I like the skaven is because I REALLY liked the redwall novels.
Whose main protagonists are of course rodents
the skaven are definetly not the good guys
I loved them the first time I saw these furry little things.
Rewatching this video for the millionth time to learn about my people
The Underempire has reached the Chaos Wastes?
Dante Leão the underempire is EVERYWHERE
Clan Moulder uses the chaos wastes as a citadel of power so they can use it's mutagenic winds to help make their creations.
@@TheCorrodedMan It's not under Ulthuan, since Ulthuan is a floating island/continent.
Kalenz You forget: the elves will lie about anything to save face. They were probably drowning in the buggers before the end times hit
@@TheCorrodedMan in the books the skaven drilling equipment stops working because of the way stones around Ulthuan. The way stones suck up magic and since all their equipment runs on warp stone it stops working.
Great Video man; you captured their element rather well. Although I do distinctly remember clan Eshin's leader not being Deathmaster Snikch but Nightlord Sneek who unfashionably unskaven has Snikch's unwavering fealty as outlined in the book 'Temple of the Serpent', from the Grey Seer series. Good Commentating though.
very excited for future DLC for Total War Warhammer. I knew nothing about warhammer before the game but now learning about it, its so cool
I'm more than half convinced that the mat for Warhammer Total War will feature both a normal map as well an underground map. You can't represent dwarves,goblins and especially scaven without it.
You mentioned in the video about the factions of total war warhammer (Geopolitics (Minor Factions) thet the skavens saved the world twice. would love to hear the story about that!
Great video, yes yes !
When he mentioned ninja rats did any one else picture master Splinter from ninja turtles
Matt M. yep :D just realized that the picture in my mind was splinter :D
Is it just me or are the Skaven the ninja Mafia of Warhammer?
+jh44574 Just you
I'm sooooo very very happy, they're finally coming :D
The horned rat sounds like a daemon or daemon prince of Nurgle.
FOR REEEDDDWALLLLLLL! Wait... Thats not right :D
A race that raises warriors so fast it puts undead and greenskins to shame while having fighters so skilled and nimble that only elven warriors can match them. What's not to love?
Would Eshin take on a contract on themselves?🤔
Who do you see as the faction leader for the Skaven in Total war when they are eventually releaed?
In a Total War game; I could easily see them as a form of "Random" invasion coming directly at your doors, preceded by various "signs" such as plagues for example.
djmustang000 Or directly from your basement?
That would be brutal, I like it!
I totally dig it.
Putting together my Skaven while watching this, good times.
Nurglich is their Plague Lord. Head of the clan for anyone confused. I just found that out a while back. I thought Nurglich was their name for their version of the Horned One.
This whole question of whether or not they end up in the game baffles me. All the major factions should be available in the vanilla game. Leave factions like Kislev etc to DLC.
Impossible to balance and super time consuming but I agree it should be way more than 5+Bretonnia
They're releasing 2 standalone expansions and a bunch of race packs which will consist of all the main factions and I'm assuming some secondary ones.
John Johnson Turns out they included five at launch. not that I'm complaining, I'll keep throwing money at CA for more races.
thus far it looks more like they are doing this in baby steps both to milk money out of this and to lessen the burden on their staff.
now all we have now is the old world itself, so of course none of the factions outside the old world will appear unless they add two more whole maps to the game, which those most likely will be the major DLC's while everyone else is being released in steps.
Step 1: Release unfinished game at full price.
Step 2: Finish section of game.
Step 3: Sell section separately for price of a new game.
Step 4: Rinse and repeat.
In other news, rumor has it that they intend to release Warhammer games in a trilogy that are supposedly possible to play as standalone or together. The datamined information that was apparently correct in predicting the Beastmen and Wood Elves as the first faction DLCs also predicted Skaven to be DLC number 8. Time will tell if it is correct.
The music in archs old lore videos is superior to his current theme.
I'm surprised you didn't bring up skaven reproduction as I've heard the lore is freaky and funny.
Oh, the skaven are so delightfully nasty. I can see why you love them so much.
I do not know how you did it Arch Warhammer but now is skaven my fav faction
Lords of Terra: sending an assassin takes so much time and paperwork that the target might be dead long before the hit is authorized.
Council of 13: Assassination? Yes Yes Yes Yes....and a small coffee.
I played alot of Total War games since Rome:Total War, but got tired of the simplicity after a while, i do only play it for the massive battles and good graphics. Once i played Crusader Kings 2 and Europa Universalis 4 i realised that the depth of the Total War games are non existent, if you compare the both. Not meaning to bash Total War, but if you havent played CK2 then you should. There is a great mod for it, called warhammer geheimnisnacht.
As always, great video, love these lore videos! Keep up the good work.
+Firstbloodchill I play Geheimnisnacht too and Skaven are planned, get hyped!
For the mod, they haven't figured out where exactly to put them and the portraits for Skaven haven't been finished
My one problem with CK2 and paradox games in general which i love and lay, is that they do have a learning curve that can make getting into it difficult. Yet once one does learn they are so fun.
The council of thirteen isn't comprised of the 13 most powerful clans, but rather 11, plus the Gray Seers who is always granted a seat, and the final empty seat is reserved for the Horned Rat. Since the Horned Rat doesn't really go to any meetings, the Gray Seers "decipher" the Horned Rats intentions and votes for him. This basically gives the Gray Seers 2 permanent seats at the council.
16:50 - Nurgle must've answered their prayers.
NetMoverSitan "buboes,phlegm,blood and guts!,boils,bogeys,rot and pus!,blisters,fevers,weeping sores!,from your wounds the fester pours!!!" May all know the love of our mighty grandfather☺️☺️☺️
James.T .Adams Yeah, that sounds like an authentic prayer to Nurgle.
It is my festering friend,shall we play in the slime and give thanks to grandfather together?
James.T .Adams Festering slime? Sounds like those who govern.
The Skaven were made thanks to warpstone which is the "Chaos" magic you mentioned in the video as it is pure chaos. It was introduced to the city by a strange hooded man thousands of years ago who was hired by the Humans and Dwarves of the city to help build a tower to honor the gods (a reference to the tower of babel in the bible which did not end well) but after he built it they refused to pay him and thus he closed the doors to the tower and a giant bell which he put inside the tower rang across the city and I think contained warpstone which got released across the city. I think due to the rat ancestors of the skaven proximity to it influenced thier biology making them bigger, more intelligent and more aggressive. It became so until they actually managed to kill the Humans and Dwarves in the city what would be known as Skavenblight which is in Tilea which is south of the Empire and west of Brettonia and is probably considered no mans land there.
Also if your wondering about the old man he just left after the people refused to pay him so I assume the warpstone bell tower was just a backup plan incase the people didnt pay him which probably worked too well as it created an entire new race to the world.
Also thier are theories that the Horned rat is in fact a greater daemon of Tzeentch or even perhaps Nurgle. Or it could be some lovechild of both gods they refused to acknowlege lol
Also warpstone is now at the very heart of skaven society as it is used to power everything from machines to even a Grey Seer who sniffs the warpstone to power his magic(a reprensative of the council of 13 and thus the Horned Rat and thier version of mages). They depend on warpstone so much that they will go to war with other races just to get a supply of it.
Ohhhh a connoisseur :D did you know that the particular theory you present (found in skaven army book 4th ED if memory serves) is based on the old norse myth of Gylfaginning? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sva%C3%B0ilfari
It's my favorite explanation of the skavens existence personally although it was written by a human scholar sooooo i cant take it entirely for truth ;)
Arch Warhammer I like to think that the old man in this theory is Drachenfels since he would be the type of guy to do this type of thing and has been alive when the skaven first came into existence
C Dyar That is an interesting theory! it would certainly suite his disposition both as spies and as a potential future army, but he couldn't control the skaven as either the skaven created the Horned Rat in the realms of Chaos or the Horned Rat was an already existing daemon that somehow influenced what ever spell Drachenfels had placed. Very interesting indeed.
Great Clan Eshin: Rat Ninjas
...why do i suddenly think of Master Splinter?
The time has finally come my little Ratlings. Me to Arch.
Nice vid.I know im late and tbh i did not play Warhammer tabletop for a long time so im not up to date with new lore stuff but for me The Horned Rat was a manifestation of the United Chaos so chaos has 4 aspekts and they are reflectet in the 4 big clans
Also, this video came out months ago now, but you better mention the doomsday device that the Skaven *lost* because they couldn't work together for 15 minutes.
I honestly think all the races will be added into the game but they might condense them down such as Beastmen being part of chaos and night goblins apart of the orcs and goblins and maybe some of the human factions would make a large force
Beastmen + Chaos and Orc & Goblins + night goblins could work just fine, i personally suspect we will only get 3-4 factions on launch and then we get milked like happy little cash cattle for the rest and a metric ton of unite DLC and you know what? if its proper DLC with new models and animations and well thought out and implemented factions, then i really wont mind.
Arch Warhammer Not sure man, I would only like to see orcs and goblins with chaos as mercenaries like some kind of dogs of war
Arch Warhammer Well you called it!
Constructive criticism time!
As usual the video is excellently written and you tell it interestingly and sometimes amusingly; as someone who knows nothing of Warhammer I really appreciate how these videos slowly unfold the lore etc. to me.
One thing I appreciate about this video is that you changed the images a lot throughout, where previously there hasnt been much point in watching the video, just listening to it. And whilst I'm entirely happy to listen to these videos and play Mount and Blade Warband at the same time, I dont know about everyone. I think you should have a lot more images (and even videos, i dont know material's out there) and it should directly correspond more to what you're saying.
Keep making these videos though :D im enjoying them
Yeah the images are somewhat problematic, a lot of warhammer art is very small in resolution (100x100 fks) so the pictures and relevance is often hard to come by so much that i have almost given up on that... i try to simply offer up some of the factions art and general feel really, but yeah your way of listening while playing something is probably the way to go.
Wow! I'm not the only one who listens to videos (like this one) whilst playing Mount and Blade Warband :)
Rasmus Salén i do the samething as well playing mount and blade
I thought I was the only person who played that anymore.
i tougth that there were only 12 council members as the last seat was saved for the horned rat
A Skaven focused game might work pretty well. Starting as a lowly clan rat and working your way through Skaven society, defeating high ranking lords, buying skryre weapons and avoiding assassins.
What’s wrong with Arch’e voice in this video? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Just BINGE re playing, commenting and liking (after the hack) ..
do unto others, before they do unto you
All in all, I'd say they did a pretty good job, Skaven FEEL like Skaven in the game. Can't help but to miss the ratling gun and the snipers, but I hope they'll be coming in a DLC with the lizards (like they did with the first game). Maybe even a Lord that stays in the Old World, considering Skaven should be there even more than they are in Lustria (with luck, maybe even a Verminlord)
ha ha, why didn't I know you'd like skaven best too. I played them in an event when I was really young, like 7 or 8 and got a box of plastic skaven warriors to paint. never really bothered with fantasy much though again till after reading gotrek and felix and when the skaven come into those books it gives you great insight into the politics and stuff and it's all just really funny. Also the "pile on top" style of gameplay is fun. What klan do you favour? Pestilens for me probably as I like Nurgle, but I like all of them really and with all 4 Klans you could get a really varied list for Total War. Definitely should be next faction, but it'll probably be Elves.
Dayum these guys make the greenskins seem honorable and trustworthy
I have a good feeling that it's going to be skaven, in the game you get a random event called ''the disappeared'' and it reads that whole districts of people go missing during the night with only a triangle on a gate or door left, i believe this triangle is the skaven triangle thingy and is a subtle nod from CA that they're going to add skaven.
Grimgor also mentions them at one point, and the Scoured Mine encyclopedia talks of Red-Eyed and Be-tailed creatures.
Skaven have also been datamined along with Tomb Kings, Wood Elves, beastmen and Ogres.
+Fiend Matador Slayer of a Thousand Noobs orges and beastmen are both random events aren't they?
Amusing creatures.
The Warriors of Chaos shall keep some as pets following the invasion.
+MidnighWolf
I get massive "Overlord-vibes from that.
A badass chaos warrior commanding a big platoon of Skaven as his "minions."
(The Overlord-games, not the anime...)
Yes Arch, I now love the Skaven, adorable little bastards.
Is it bad that I've watched this video multiple times?
Going to be interesting how they are going to work out in the game
Hey Arch! I heard you speak in another video about the Skaven saving the world twice! When was this! I would LOVE to read about it!
i know of one incident where Skaven 'accidentally' saved the world from a big threat.
i think that threat was Nagash or smth.
they were suppose to give him some sort of artifact, but snubbed him at the last second which foiled his plans.
If the skaven don't really trust anyone else as you say, then how can they form clans or even a somewhat working society?
+Sir Keeper Even with their untrusting and traitorous mindset, skaven are by nature social creatures. Skaven can't stand to be alone and with the exception of disciplined clan eshin assassins, they will often panic if they are separated from the larger group. Skaven are only comfortable in the anonymity offered by a crowd, and besides, it is smarter to band together and combine arms than to split up and be killed or taken into slavery by another clan.
+Vanilla Physics I understand, thank you very much for answering.
could you do a video about the skaven civel war and de war of the beards pls i'm really looking forward to it
Skaven VS anything that isn't humans usually get obliterated.
this vid is awesome. nuff said.
Can you make a lore video about Cathy and their relationship with the Warhammer universe ?
Late to the party, but doesn't the skaven "culture" seem a little familiar? Like, the way Europe acts?
love the content keep it up good sir
their lovable in a funny way