I think it's gets the hate because it was based of a younger looking Arnold. If the terminator looked rinkly and old it would look better and people would of been happier because it would of looked like the current day Arnold Schwarzenegger. Quite weird and intimidating when you think about it a Terminator that looks old.
Probably it was just unnecessary fan service. I think the Scene would have worked better with Roland Kickinger's real appearence as an "unfinished" T-800 Prototype
@@James-Fosterwhy the hell would people want governator Arnold and not 1984 Arnold? Especially when you're going for a villain, you wouldn't want it to be uncle Bob
The only ground left to cover is a proper canonical sequel/prequel of the Terminator and Matrix franchises Bale Keanu and all the rest of the characters coming back would be cool Even find a way to bring Dutch into it
imo you can only have this opinion if you never watched genisys genisys was not a rehash of anything that came before in terms of plot in fact it had the balls to cast the johner and the entire timeline of the films before it as the main villian
Exactly it was a sequel/prequel the only one by continuity going forward of setting lore things up that were only talked about in T1 and T2 but finally showing it on the big screen in motion What a shame that no one wants to continue on from this you would think James Cameron would do the right thing to have already done something about this of continuing on from that but NOOOPE But then again the Cameron of today society yeah I don't trust him.
Before even watching this, you won't change my mind this is the best of the sequels after T2. Creatively and story wise. And it was the only film that had the balls to try something we hadn't seen before.
Indeed. Of course topping T1 and T2 is a tall order uphill both ways to begin with. But Salvation is solid and I concur, the better of the sequels by far.
I loved Salvation, I think it was the best sequel after terminator 2. At least they tried to bring us a future war! They made it about John Connor instead of Arnold Terminator.
Salvation had the guts to actually take the audience into the bleak future post-apocalypse and show us the war that humanity was fighting against the machines. For that, it wins praise for me. I also appreciated the practical effects work that went into the film. The T-600 was definitely a standout. And it was nice to see the T-1s form Terminator 3 back!
Those who try and milk the cow... in hindsight, pot calling kettle.. I truly enjoy salvation. Sure there are some issues, but the cast went hard and it's beautifully shot. The atmosphere of hopelessness jumps out of about 90% of the movie.
This movie is really good. I loved it when I first seen it and I really hoped it would be followed up. We finally got the Future War! It's a shame it didn't do well enough because it kicks ass and the story was a fresh take avoiding time travel and giving us a heroic respectable John Connor. The hero we only heard stories of from Reese and the iconic flashbacks of 1 and 2. Salvation is much better than anything we got after. ❤
Salvation is a text book example of media spin trying to convince ppl that it is bad. Great movie, great premise, well executed. I do not understand why any fan would be down on it. If I was running this channel, I'd start a series titled "they lied to you".
@@JDMunoz-ct9xnAvatar, he was being set up to be the next big action star but his movies were not good. Avatar gave him a huge boost due to its status as the highest grossing film of all time (at that time)
Yelchin died in the most crazy way. He forgot to put his SUV in park when he got out to open his gate and the car crushed him. His friends found him after he failed to show up and went to look for him.
Really enjoyed this one. And I wish they had finished this trilogy, instead of rebooting again, with Genisys... T3, Genisys and Dark Fate is pure trash, compared to Salvation. And a prime example, that including Arnold, doesn't automatically make a Terminator movie good.
T3 is so much better than dark fate and genesys, while i like it i can understand why people dont but its not fair to lump it in with those horrendous films
Underrated and underappreciated...so many good concepts (the tower shot with the machine looking people looking down & Skynet being aware of John Connors destiny etc)
@@optimusphill6377 you do know the reason skynet was aware of it right salvation has the literally timeline lore biggest direct reference to T2 the hospital Sarah blabbed out about the baby daddy solder from the future 2029 Straight from Dr silverman mouth they definitely had it on computer record and then Unlike the other futures before why it didn't know about Reese it's because skynet became the internet this time around T3 ROTM so skynet was aware now about it's previous attempts at john and of it's other timeline incarnation. T3/Salvation skynet : you Marcus you did what skynet has failed to do for so many years YOU KILLED JOHN CONNOR And people called skynet knowing about John's father a plot hole this shows they really don't think about things of how storys go or how they connect and they call themselves fans of T2 lmao MCG really did his terminator lore home work that's for sure.
Salvation is actually worse than the other sequels but it doesnt have the "woke" baggage of the others. As far as just being a very bad action movie with no point Salvation is it
I always liked Salvation and felt like I was always on an island when I said I dug the hell out of it. I wanted to see more and see the future war progress to the points we saw previously. I’m glad it’s finally getting the love it always deserved
As a life long terminator fan, I genuinely enjoyed this film. Maybe it was because I was playing a lot of fallout new Vegas at the time or maybe it was because we finally got a film in the future war and it wasn't just another re tread of the first film but I stand by it. I love this movie. Just wish terry Cruise played more than a corpse Edit: I wish this had a trilogy.
@@clarkmichaels822yeah but the key difference is salvation was a respectable love latter to T1 and T2 especially T1 finals unlike all the rest of the series final battles dumpster fire garbage after that point that felt really soulless and dumb T4 brings back man vs skinless machine literally something I've always wanted again since T1 as a final classic battle there just something very eerie and unsettling that is a skinless chasing after you Ps and not just any men being chased but the centric character himself john Conner all while protecting his would be old man parallel reverse of Terminator 1 in continuity This is a big reason why I still prefer salvation to the garbage destroying universe lore that came after Heck to official all of this The leg shot of the T 800 walking up the steps T1 direct reference love letter The t800 using Kyle voice to get john T2 direct reference love letter The freeze then liquid steeling the T800 T2 direct reference love letter Marcus being hit in the heart with the concrete brick by the T800 T2 direct reference love letter Marcus hitting the T800 with a steel rod to the face direct reference and love letter to T1 John getting the scar on his face by the T800 with the grabbing is a poetic come full circle reference to his mother end of T1 Salvation truly is the last logical continuity story film Since 1984 the Terminator Oh and before you go with the it was just throwing people thing which in it's self is a call back love letter JUST REMEMBER T1 gingers apartment with her boyfriend vs T800. And T2 T1000 and T800 did throw eatch other around as well. Ya hypocrite fans always forget that sh#$ though don't ya all because of your biased hate. Enough said.
Look deeper into the Bale crack up; the lightning guy would purposely spoil shots he didn’t like by stepping into frame to “check the levels.” Cinematographers are known to similarly shake or bump the camera to make the footage they didn’t like unusable. Bale was protecting his and his fellow actors work.
Although this terminator film wasn't that good, it, at least attempted to do something different and go a different direction than all of the previous films. It had so much potential, but it stumbled at the finishing line 😮
I was so eager to see Salvation when it hit theaters. I went by myself to go see a matinee and I really enjoyed it. I really don't understand why it didn't do better.
This installment felt far more authentic than anything that came after T2. The easter eggs were glorious and extremely satisfying. I can rewatch this movie at any time. It was done REALLY well and to me it seemed like it was created by someone who was a huge fan of the first two. I can watch it over and over again.
I feel like they had so much story built up that if they could put all the material they had into 1 movie then it would’ve been the best terminator movie in the series. I feel like it comes down to budget issues and getting the money to pull it off
Salvation at least tried to do something different by setting itself in a post-apocalyptic world that didn't include time travel, but the story needed a lot more refinement before they went ahead with filming. They set Salvation in the new timeline established by T3 where Judgement Day happened in 2004, not 1997. They should have ignored the events of T3 and aligned this film with the events established by T1 and T2. There are other smaller details like the fact that large amounts of the film are set in daylight hours when Kyle Reese mentions in the first film that they moved around at night to avoid detection. The central concept of this intended triology begun by Salvation seemed to be about John Connor's rise from prophecy maker to leader of the resistance who ultimately defeats Skynet. It could have been fascinating but things fell through and since then we have had two terrible films (Genysis and Dark Fate) which tried to reboot the franchise but both failed spectacularly. I think a carefully planned out future war film set when the Resistance finally defeats Skynet, with Kyle Reese and the reprogrammed T800 being sent back in time to protect Sarah and John Connor respectively, could be a money maker, although it seems that James Cameron intends to try another reboot (this time a complete one).
The first 4 films follow a linear plot line and do follow on with each other. Gensys started off quite well till they managed to build a time machine in a sewer and suddenly it descends into techno babble. T3 has the best ending as well.
Exactly T1 to T4 there storys are literally connected in natural continuity if anyone is smart enough to listen and pay attention to the references and dates Salvation really is the last continuity film in the franchise since 1984 The Terminator. And yes totally agree about T3 I was always wandering are we ever going to see skynet and how it took over and the nukes and boom T3 finally did it so I at least respect it for that.
Loved the gritty aspect. The cast was really good. The script was decent...I felt the gigantic machines at the end were a little much and Arnold's CGI terminator to this day still looks goofy...I felt the movie got a bit messy in the 3rd act, but as a whole, I enjoyed this movie waaaay more than Rise and the following 2 films. It may be the last decent entry we ever see.
Gigantic machines ? The only gigantic machines I know was the T Harvestor which appeared in the middle of the film are you talking about the gigantic gun turrets when Marcus was going into skynet centeral? because if that's so It makes sense skynet would have something like that guarding it.
@JuilanXAnime3188 no...I'm mistaking the giant machines you're referring to in the middle...I've watched this film once and didn't remember what act they showed up. Regardless, just wasn't feeling some of the decisions on what they were facing at that point...felt a bit cartoonish. Just my opinion, but the film as a whole was pretty cool, plan to bingewatch the last 3 soon...it's been a minute
@@brandienunziati9496 oh ok so you are talking about the T harvestor gotcha yeah as much as I think it was cool that it was in the film the film could have done with out it even though I do appreciate new stuff in films.
Salvation was a great way to continue the terminator franchise from past to future war with a 3 part series that should finish the whole terminator story and bring it full circle. My only problem was that the 1st movie in the salvation trilogy was kinda slow and didn’t bring a lot. but from what I’ve heard the next 2 movies were going to be big and not hold back. Its sad seeing something get hated on that had so much potential going forward, it just deserved the chance that it never got
A boob scene and a stabbing really didn’t impact the movie rating. I think 1 and 2 would potentially be PG-13 if released in 2024 if they cut down on any F-bombs to one.
I enjoyed Salvation. It was a breath of fresh air. I don't ignore it's quirks but the two following films were disasters. I'm glad we got Terminator salvation.
I still don't understand why the T-600 crawled to John, grabbed him and then threw him. Rather than simply crush him to death immediately. Makes zero sense.
Everyone seems to forget the trailer gave away the third act twist of the main character being a robot. That kills the tension when you are seeing it in the theater.
When it comes to the Terminator films, I have the first, T2 and Salvation on my shelves. If I come across the other titles as a (really) cheap bundle, the completist squirrel that I am will have no choice but to grab them but, I'm more than happy to keep it at these 3. I do try to only have films on my shelves that I intend to watch again.
The fact the major plot twist was revealed in the trailer (in much the same as for Terminator Genisis) in absolutely no way whatsoever impacted the box office figures.
This movie on paper looks like everything you want for potential Terminator 2 sequel/prequel. But if I - a guy growing up on Terminator movies, and huge classic Fallout games fan - wants to just go to sleep while watching it, you know there's something wrong.
I was legitimately hyped for this movie and saw it with my best friend in high school. We LOVED it! Years later I thought it was kinda safe and it was a little boring in places but it's in my top 3 Terminator movies.
All I wish this movie looked like the flash backs from T1 & T2, all dark/night with those future plasma gun fires & Hunter killers etc. Hopefully one day someone makes it happens and doesn't disappoint
Same thing that happened to Solo: something that should’ve been a concise standalone that just covers the story points we’d want to see that some studio executives thought could be stretched out to a whole series instead
This is what every fan wanted to see after t2. We wanted to see the war with the machines not just the "how the war started story" again and again. This movie could have spawned a good couple of sequels.
I think most (like myself at the time) thought a Terminator movie needs Arnold in it and never gave this a chance. I seen it when it came out on home video and was meh at the time but your video makes me want to revisit it.
I thought salvation was really good. One of the coolest scenes is the single shot of the battle and the helicopter crashing. It's all one continuous awesome scene.
i love the concepts from that movie. the terminator bikes, giant harvestors and water snakes, drones, the use of older terminators. clearly the story should have been only about john connor
The logic and lore inconsistencies killed it for me like: 1. T600 being huge and wielding minigun, there is almost no civilians there, if those are first attempts on infiltrators, then how people would mistaken them for humans? 2. 3 story high Harvester being silent until attacking the gas stations also doesn't make any sense 3. I feel that the magnetic mine field also is just a plot device, they hoped that skynet would just wonder around there and lost some units and not notice it and then focus new attack and adapt to the situation? And side note, the original bad ending would be better, and maybe open franchise to more "what if" scenarios then just basic T1 or T2 variants, something what comicbooks made.
Salvation has the best use of a Guns & Roses song in an action film. It's a shame that both Salvation and SCC were trashed by critics and fans. Both worthy of follow ups as opposed to all the garbage that came after them
I really liked Salvation. Especially the one shot of John Connor getting into the helicopter flying away, nuclear explosion and then crashing! Amazing cinema!
The Director's Cut is even better. This, T2: Battle Across Time and Terminator Resistance are the best follow-ups to Terminator 2. Anton Yelchin also appeared in JJ Abrams' Star Trek. The T600 that attacks Kyle, Star and Marcus and the T800 endoskeleton that fights John and Marcus were both portrayed via motion capture by 6'7 stunt performer Brian Steele
I still think I like T3 better as a terminator film but ever since seeing this in theaters as a kid Salvation is one of my favorite movies ever the dark gritty tone and the world from the resistance perspective is awesome
For me, best of the sequels. T1 & T2 was awesome. Salvation wasn’t another Terminator film - where the terminator goes back in time to change the past.
I liked salvation and nothings changing my mind the fact it’s set during the war we only had heard of for three films made it exciting. All they did after Salvation was try and literally retread the first two movies and destroyed itself
I love this movie. The only part i dont like about it is that John Conner basically relies on Batman gadgets for the second half of it. I always blamed Jonathan Nolan for that.
I liked salvation from the first time I saw it. Getting to see judgement day at the end of part 3 and then seeing life post judgement day in salvation was awesome and didn't feel over the top.
Don’t forget the trailer for Terminator Salvation was amazing but also spoiled the biggest plot twist. I remember being excited about it but also being disappointed that the movie lacked any other major moments. Can’t help but feel it would be regarded better if not for the trailer.
I remember walking out of the theatre thinking "that was awesome!" I don't get the negative reviews of this film and I hadn't gotten that same feeling with T3 or Genysis... Dark Fate was okay but this was very good.
I think this movie was the right way to go after T2. It is a real shame that they did not finish the trilogy. I remember watching this and thinking to myself, wow, I can't wait for the next one. We deserve to know if we ever win the war in the future. My favorite scenes from T1 were always the ones where they were in the future fighting the machines.
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I still don't understand the hate with the CGI Arnold T800. I think it still holds up today, especially for 2009 tech.
I think it's gets the hate because it was based of a younger looking Arnold. If the terminator looked rinkly and old it would look better and people would of been happier because it would of looked like the current day Arnold Schwarzenegger. Quite weird and intimidating when you think about it a Terminator that looks old.
Probably it was just unnecessary fan service. I think the Scene would have worked better with Roland Kickinger's real appearence as an "unfinished" T-800 Prototype
@@James-Fostera younger looking Arnold would be more intimidating than current one come on
@@James-Fosterwhy the hell would people want governator Arnold and not 1984 Arnold? Especially when you're going for a villain, you wouldn't want it to be uncle Bob
It was the fact they had to use CGI at all that killed it
This was the only film in the series that wasn’t just a rehash of the first two films. I appreciate it for at least trying some thing different.
This movie is worst big-budget no-story crap movie even worse than T3 at least T3 was not serious
The only ground left to cover is a proper canonical sequel/prequel of the Terminator and Matrix franchises
Bale Keanu and all the rest of the characters coming back would be cool
Even find a way to bring Dutch into it
imo you can only have this opinion if you never watched genisys
genisys was not a rehash of anything that came before in terms of plot
in fact it had the balls to cast the johner and the entire timeline of the films before it as the main villian
Its a crime we never actually got a sequel
Salvation was the right path the franchise needed
Not remake again T1 and T2
100%
100%
True.
The 'sequel' conclusion was the comic series.
A low blow for Salvation. At least, it got an ending.
Because Christian Bale fighting on
Set that's why?😑
Exactly it was a sequel/prequel the only one by continuity going forward of setting lore things up that were only talked about in T1 and T2 but finally showing it on the big screen in motion
What a shame that no one wants to continue on from this you would think James Cameron would do the right thing to have already done something about this of continuing on from that but NOOOPE
But then again the Cameron of today society yeah I don't trust him.
Before even watching this, you won't change my mind this is the best of the sequels after T2. Creatively and story wise. And it was the only film that had the balls to try something we hadn't seen before.
Number 3 for me as well. Still the only one that doesn’t rehash the basic plots of the first two.
T1 and T2 both tried things we hadn't seen before.
Couldn't agree more. Better than T3. Genysis and Dark Fate are absolute garbage
I completely agree with you brother
Indeed.
Of course topping T1 and T2 is a tall order uphill both ways to begin with.
But Salvation is solid and I concur, the better of the sequels by far.
I loved Salvation, I think it was the best sequel after terminator 2. At least they tried to bring us a future war! They made it about John Connor instead of Arnold Terminator.
i actually love salvation .. not thi sshit dark fart was ... getting married how stupid
i will not watch thi svideo to the end now
Loved TS too, T3 was too funny to be taken seriously. Plus it was fun to see a sequel not involving time travel
@@TheRogueMonkChill. Atleast that Video told about how it's Underrated.
Salvation is actually a prequel to the 1st Terminator.
Salvation had the guts to actually take the audience into the bleak future post-apocalypse and show us the war that humanity was fighting against the machines. For that, it wins praise for me.
I also appreciated the practical effects work that went into the film. The T-600 was definitely a standout. And it was nice to see the T-1s form Terminator 3 back!
Even the T-800 at the end looked awesome!
Anton Yelchin was awesome as a young Kyle Reese.
@@wstine79 Yes he was RIP gone way to soon
yeah he was! it was eerie how much of Kyle Reese he got down, I am sad that we lost him ;w; he was good in everything I have seen him play
May he R.I.P
@@wstine79 he was awesome in everything.
Played it so well damn
This film is waaaay underrated.
Over hated
I find it fell to the same fate as Dredd.
People just didn't appreciate what we had at the time.
Both are super underrated.
Salvation was way better than the two turds that came after.
Dark Fate isn’t bad. Haven’t rewatched it since seeing it in theaters but it’s solid. I wasn’t bored
I never seen Salvation or Genesis(I know it’s spelled weird)
truth
Exactly, they were abominations.
I enjoyed this one to be fair
I feel like I'm one of the few that likes this movie.
I liked it, but I found the terminator but still human but also sorta a teminator character to be kinda lame.
You’re not bro
More and More People Loving it it's Not only a "few".
@@Jffeeney3rdBut the T-800 looked badass.
The comment section is full of us that enjoyed it.
Those who try and milk the cow... in hindsight, pot calling kettle.. I truly enjoy salvation. Sure there are some issues, but the cast went hard and it's beautifully shot. The atmosphere of hopelessness jumps out of about 90% of the movie.
Give us Salvation.
Release the McG
"Dark" cut.
This!!
I just watched the directors cut on HBO max
Love this movie wished the ones after continued off if it instead of the trash we got . This was the last good terminator movie
My favorite terminator film after 1 and 2
This movie is really good. I loved it when I first seen it and I really hoped it would be followed up. We finally got the Future War! It's a shame it didn't do well enough because it kicks ass and the story was a fresh take avoiding time travel and giving us a heroic respectable John Connor. The hero we only heard stories of from Reese and the iconic flashbacks of 1 and 2. Salvation is much better than anything we got after. ❤
We got the future war? No, we got CGI bullshit in the desert.
1. T2: Judgement Day
2. The Terminator
3. Salvation
Everything else.
I don't think anyone can dispute this either.
For me it’s T1,2,3 and that’s it
@@kennypowers1945 It’s all subjective.
@@kennypowers1945T3 was alright, I enjoyed it.
But Salvation was good af.
@@marcussinclaire4890 T3 has childish humor that does not suit in Terminator movie... But T3 is a OK Action movie... but not OK Terminator movie.
Salvation is a text book example of media spin trying to convince ppl that it is bad. Great movie, great premise, well executed. I do not understand why any fan would be down on it. If I was running this channel, I'd start a series titled "they lied to you".
Terminator: Salvation is BEST Terminator movie after T1 & T2.
I agree 👍🏾 🤖☠️
The 1st 15 minutes of Genesis was pretty awesome, then it went off the rails after Reese goes through time
Absolutely true!
@pwnranger3496 that first battle scene was epic
1-5 Rulez✊🏻!
Its amazing how no matter what, even with CGI, Sam Worthington, plays a wooden Sam Worthington in every movie he's in.
Sam Woodington. 😂
His acting hurt the movie. I never understood why he kept being cast.
@@JDMunoz-ct9xnAvatar, he was being set up to be the next big action star but his movies were not good. Avatar gave him a huge boost due to its status as the highest grossing film of all time (at that time)
Yeah but it kind of did okay for his role in this movie.
Yelchin died in the most crazy way. He forgot to put his SUV in park when he got out to open his gate and the car crushed him. His friends found him after he failed to show up and went to look for him.
Apparently he didn't forget. Something was messed up in that model's gearbox and the manufacturer issued recalls before and after this freak accident.
Correct - is was a defective part which caused it
@@patanouketgersiflet9486 damn. That makes it even worse.
Thats jeep for yuh
Best use of “I’ll be back” since the first film. This movie slaps.
I’ve been championing Salvation since it came out. Audiences are so damn fickle. As Cinderella once said, “Don’t know what you got till it’s gone.” 😂
Lol I was thinking of the Disney movie at first. It took me a minute
Only T1, T2, and Salvation exist in my movie collection/memory. RIP to Anton 🙏🏽
Really enjoyed this one.
And I wish they had finished this trilogy, instead of rebooting again, with Genisys...
T3, Genisys and Dark Fate is pure trash, compared to Salvation. And a prime example, that including Arnold, doesn't automatically make a Terminator movie good.
T3 is way better than salvation.
Terminator 3 and Terminator Salvation are both good in there own ways but yeah Genisys and Dark Fate are both Hot Garbage
T3 is so much better than dark fate and genesys, while i like it i can understand why people dont but its not fair to lump it in with those horrendous films
@@jayceneal5273 agreed. While I didn't like salvation.. I wouldn't say it was downright terrible...unlike fate or genisys
Underrated and underappreciated...so many good concepts (the tower shot with the machine looking people looking down & Skynet being aware of John Connors destiny etc)
@@optimusphill6377 you do know the reason skynet was aware of it right salvation has the literally timeline lore biggest direct reference to T2 the hospital Sarah blabbed out about the baby daddy solder from the future 2029 Straight from Dr silverman mouth they definitely had it on computer record and then Unlike the other futures before why it didn't know about Reese it's because skynet became the internet this time around T3 ROTM so skynet was aware now about it's previous attempts at john and of it's other timeline incarnation.
T3/Salvation skynet : you Marcus you did what skynet has failed to do for so many years YOU KILLED JOHN CONNOR
And people called skynet knowing about John's father a plot hole this shows they really don't think about things of how storys go or how they connect and they call themselves fans of T2 lmao
MCG really did his terminator lore home work that's for sure.
I thinn salvation is the 3rd best. Action was great and at least ita not a repeat of t2.
👍👍 absolutely, a worthy addition to the franchise unlike last two excrements.
Salvation is actually worse than the other sequels but it doesnt have the "woke" baggage of the others. As far as just being a very bad action movie with no point
Salvation is it
I always liked Salvation and felt like I was always on an island when I said I dug the hell out of it. I wanted to see more and see the future war progress to the points we saw previously. I’m glad it’s finally getting the love it always deserved
It was 10X better than Dark Fart
No argument here.
Can't disagree. The Last Jedi was better than Dark Turd, and I loath TLJ.
Eh I liked dark fate more
I agree
Can we all agree Dark Fart doesn’t exist?
As a life long terminator fan, I genuinely enjoyed this film. Maybe it was because I was playing a lot of fallout new Vegas at the time or maybe it was because we finally got a film in the future war and it wasn't just another re tread of the first film but I stand by it. I love this movie. Just wish terry Cruise played more than a corpse
Edit: I wish this had a trilogy.
I'm so saddened about Anton's passing.
The last 20 minutes were the best part of the whole film.. the fight w the T-800.
Agreed.
You mean the part that's in literally every Terminator movie?
@@clarkmichaels822yeah but the key difference is salvation was a respectable love latter to T1 and T2 especially T1 finals unlike all the rest of the series final battles dumpster fire garbage after that point that felt really soulless and dumb
T4 brings back man vs skinless machine literally something I've always wanted again since T1 as a final classic battle there just something very eerie and unsettling that is a skinless chasing after you
Ps and not just any men being chased but the centric character himself john Conner all while protecting his would be old man parallel reverse of Terminator 1 in continuity
This is a big reason why I still prefer salvation to the garbage destroying universe lore that came after
Heck to official all of this
The leg shot of the T 800 walking up the steps T1 direct reference love letter
The t800 using Kyle voice to get john T2 direct reference love letter
The freeze then liquid steeling the T800 T2 direct reference love letter
Marcus being hit in the heart with the concrete brick by the T800 T2 direct reference love letter
Marcus hitting the T800 with a steel rod to the face direct reference and love letter to T1
John getting the scar on his face by the T800 with the grabbing is a poetic come full circle reference to his mother end of T1
Salvation truly is the last logical continuity story film Since 1984 the Terminator
Oh and before you go with the it was just throwing people thing which in it's self is a call back love letter JUST REMEMBER T1 gingers apartment with her boyfriend vs T800.
And T2 T1000 and T800 did throw eatch other around as well.
Ya hypocrite fans always forget that sh#$ though don't ya all because of your biased hate.
Enough said.
Look deeper into the Bale crack up; the lightning guy would purposely spoil shots he didn’t like by stepping into frame to “check the levels.” Cinematographers are known to similarly shake or bump the camera to make the footage they didn’t like unusable. Bale was protecting his and his fellow actors work.
Although this terminator film wasn't that good, it, at least attempted to do something different and go a different direction than all of the previous films. It had so much potential, but it stumbled at the finishing line 😮
What was not good about this movie? It was more original than T2 😂
I was talking to my co-worker about terminator about 2 hours ago, and this shows up on my suggestions. Coincidence, I think not! Damn Skynet!
I think this was actually a great movie. I rewatched it a few times and it does make you feel something. Too bad we didn't get more of it.
I was so eager to see Salvation when it hit theaters. I went by myself to go see a matinee and I really enjoyed it. I really don't understand why it didn't do better.
I don’t understand the hate this film gets. It’s fantastic.
I miss Anton Yelchin. Gone too soon. He was getting in the rhythm to stardom
I lied and told my kid that Terminator is a trilogy and salvation is the last movie. T1 T2 TS
@Jackiepapers You did the right thing. Sometimes the truth should remain hidden.
This installment felt far more authentic than anything that came after T2. The easter eggs were glorious and extremely satisfying. I can rewatch this movie at any time. It was done REALLY well and to me it seemed like it was created by someone who was a huge fan of the first two. I can watch it over and over again.
Terminator Salvation had a good idea it just wasn't put together very well
@@jamesmorant1406 same 👍
Solid movie 🎥
@joeylodes It's tough to follow the first two movies they we're so good
I feel like they had so much story built up that if they could put all the material they had into 1 movie then it would’ve been the best terminator movie in the series. I feel like it comes down to budget issues and getting the money to pull it off
You didn't like throwminators?
Woohoo underrated and also has on of THE best trailers ever.
Salvation at least tried to do something different by setting itself in a post-apocalyptic world that didn't include time travel, but the story needed a lot more refinement before they went ahead with filming. They set Salvation in the new timeline established by T3 where Judgement Day happened in 2004, not 1997. They should have ignored the events of T3 and aligned this film with the events established by T1 and T2. There are other smaller details like the fact that large amounts of the film are set in daylight hours when Kyle Reese mentions in the first film that they moved around at night to avoid detection.
The central concept of this intended triology begun by Salvation seemed to be about John Connor's rise from prophecy maker to leader of the resistance who ultimately defeats Skynet. It could have been fascinating but things fell through and since then we have had two terrible films (Genysis and Dark Fate) which tried to reboot the franchise but both failed spectacularly. I think a carefully planned out future war film set when the Resistance finally defeats Skynet, with Kyle Reese and the reprogrammed T800 being sent back in time to protect Sarah and John Connor respectively, could be a money maker, although it seems that James Cameron intends to try another reboot (this time a complete one).
Easily one of the best in the series. After 1 and 2. It lends to the story, and adds to the whole element of a future destruction by the Terminators😂❤
Honestly, this is a masterpiece considering what came after.
The first 4 films follow a linear plot line and do follow on with each other. Gensys started off quite well till they managed to build a time machine in a sewer and suddenly it descends into techno babble. T3 has the best ending as well.
Exactly T1 to T4 there storys are literally connected in natural continuity if anyone is smart enough to listen and pay attention to the references and dates Salvation really is the last continuity film in the franchise since 1984 The Terminator.
And yes totally agree about T3 I was always wandering are we ever going to see skynet and how it took over and the nukes and boom T3 finally did it so I at least respect it for that.
That helicopter scene in Terminator Salvation is burned into my memory. What a thrill to see that play out in theatres.
You forgot to mention that the trailer for this movie reveaked a major plot twist.
Loved the gritty aspect. The cast was really good. The script was decent...I felt the gigantic machines at the end were a little much and Arnold's CGI terminator to this day still looks goofy...I felt the movie got a bit messy in the 3rd act, but as a whole, I enjoyed this movie waaaay more than Rise and the following 2 films. It may be the last decent entry we ever see.
Gigantic machines ? The only gigantic machines I know was the T Harvestor which appeared in the middle of the film are you talking about the gigantic gun turrets when Marcus was going into skynet centeral? because if that's so It makes sense skynet would have something like that guarding it.
@JuilanXAnime3188 no...I'm mistaking the giant machines you're referring to in the middle...I've watched this film once and didn't remember what act they showed up. Regardless, just wasn't feeling some of the decisions on what they were facing at that point...felt a bit cartoonish. Just my opinion, but the film as a whole was pretty cool, plan to bingewatch the last 3 soon...it's been a minute
@@brandienunziati9496 oh ok so you are talking about the T harvestor gotcha yeah as much as I think it was cool that it was in the film the film could have done with out it even though I do appreciate new stuff in films.
Salvation was a great way to continue the terminator franchise from past to future war with a 3 part series that should finish the whole terminator story and bring it full circle. My only problem was that the 1st movie in the salvation trilogy was kinda slow and didn’t bring a lot. but from what I’ve heard the next 2 movies were going to be big and not hold back. Its sad seeing something get hated on that had so much potential going forward, it just deserved the chance that it never got
Making it pg13 was a mistake. Even if they released an unrated home version. Movie was mostly bland and boring.
It was far less boring than T3 and Stahls whiny bitch version of Connor.
A boob scene and a stabbing really didn’t impact the movie rating. I think 1 and 2 would potentially be PG-13 if released in 2024 if they cut down on any F-bombs to one.
@@stuartbagley2586 2 maybe. but 1? no way
I enjoyed Salvation. It was a breath of fresh air. I don't ignore it's quirks but the two following films were disasters. I'm glad we got Terminator salvation.
i love how marcus comes out of the crater of an explosion
I really enjoyed Salvation. It felt like it was a breath of fresh air for the franchise and the tie in game was awesome!
I remember watching the trailer for this one, loved it. The movie is for sure the best after T1 & T2!
I love salvation. I watched it in theaters when it came out with my dad for my birthday. Will always be a nice throwback
Another thing that happened the year Salvation came out was the cancellation of The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
That still hurts me 15 years later.
I still don't understand why the T-600 crawled to John, grabbed him and then threw him. Rather than simply crush him to death immediately. Makes zero sense.
Everyone seems to forget the trailer gave away the third act twist of the main character being a robot. That kills the tension when you are seeing it in the theater.
I was working in film when this movie was in New Mexico. The sets were awesome!
When it comes to the Terminator films, I have the first, T2 and Salvation on my shelves. If I come across the other titles as a (really) cheap bundle, the completist squirrel that I am will have no choice but to grab them but, I'm more than happy to keep it at these 3. I do try to only have films on my shelves that I intend to watch again.
Same, but I have 3 only because it’s so dumb I laugh so hard watching it. 😂. So fun after a couple puffs, if you know what I mean. 😂
I remember a lot of people hating Terminator 3 and Salvation at the time, I think it's funny that those movies are more appreciated over time
T: Salvation is BY FAR the 3rd best movie of the franchise. Nothing more, nothing less.
The fact the major plot twist was revealed in the trailer (in much the same as for Terminator Genisis) in absolutely no way whatsoever impacted the box office figures.
Best sequal after T2 hands down the moment when Marcus looks down and he realised he was a terminator was chilling and sad
This movie on paper looks like everything you want for potential Terminator 2 sequel/prequel.
But if I - a guy growing up on Terminator movies, and huge classic Fallout games fan - wants to just go to sleep while watching it, you know there's something wrong.
Great video! What’s the song at the end?
Believe by NEFFEX.
At least Salvation made the attempt to introduce terminators of the non shape shifting variety.
I was legitimately hyped for this movie and saw it with my best friend in high school. We LOVED it! Years later I thought it was kinda safe and it was a little boring in places but it's in my top 3 Terminator movies.
I dunno McG...I remember watching it and thinking that "A topless shot of Moon Bloodgood is exactly what this movie needs!"
Worthingtons role wasn't 'ironic' - he came onboard after Cameron's recommendation.
All I wish this movie looked like the flash backs from T1 & T2, all dark/night with those future plasma gun fires & Hunter killers etc. Hopefully one day someone makes it happens and doesn't disappoint
Same thing that happened to Solo: something that should’ve been a concise standalone that just covers the story points we’d want to see that some studio executives thought could be stretched out to a whole series instead
I actually really liked it. I mnea t plenty of room for improvement, but still very enjoyable
I feel it is the best non- Cameron directed Terminator movie and it's a shame it didn't get at least one sequel
This is what every fan wanted to see after t2. We wanted to see the war with the machines not just the "how the war started story" again and again. This movie could have spawned a good couple of sequels.
11:58 can't forgive you about taking this off, Big G
I think most (like myself at the time) thought a Terminator movie needs Arnold in it and never gave this a chance. I seen it when it came out on home video and was meh at the time but your video makes me want to revisit it.
I really wish we would’ve gotten that trilogy.
I thought salvation was really good. One of the coolest scenes is the single shot of the battle and the helicopter crashing. It's all one continuous awesome scene.
i love the concepts from that movie. the terminator bikes, giant harvestors and water snakes, drones, the use of older terminators. clearly the story should have been only about john connor
The logic and lore inconsistencies killed it for me like:
1. T600 being huge and wielding minigun, there is almost no civilians there, if those are first attempts on infiltrators, then how people would mistaken them for humans?
2. 3 story high Harvester being silent until attacking the gas stations also doesn't make any sense
3. I feel that the magnetic mine field also is just a plot device, they hoped that skynet would just wonder around there and lost some units and not notice it and then focus new attack and adapt to the situation?
And side note, the original bad ending would be better, and maybe open franchise to more "what if" scenarios then just basic T1 or T2 variants, something what comicbooks made.
the Bale rant Legendary.
I was high AF when I saw this in the theatres and it did not disappoint.
Salvation has the best use of a Guns & Roses song in an action film.
It's a shame that both Salvation and SCC were trashed by critics and fans. Both worthy of follow ups as opposed to all the garbage that came after them
I really liked Salvation. Especially the one shot of John Connor getting into the helicopter flying away, nuclear explosion and then crashing! Amazing cinema!
The Director's Cut is even better. This, T2: Battle Across Time and Terminator Resistance are the best follow-ups to Terminator 2. Anton Yelchin also appeared in JJ Abrams' Star Trek. The T600 that attacks Kyle, Star and Marcus and the T800 endoskeleton that fights John and Marcus were both portrayed via motion capture by 6'7 stunt performer Brian Steele
Nice to finally see I'm not the only fan of this film.
I still think I like T3 better as a terminator film but ever since seeing this in theaters as a kid Salvation is one of my favorite movies ever the dark gritty tone and the world from the resistance perspective is awesome
Stan's the man ❤
For me, best of the sequels. T1 & T2 was awesome. Salvation wasn’t another Terminator film - where the terminator goes back in time to change the past.
I liked salvation and nothings changing my mind the fact it’s set during the war we only had heard of for three films made it exciting. All they did after Salvation was try and literally retread the first two movies and destroyed itself
Literally the best film in the series after T2. Characters were awesome. There is still time to get a sequel.
I love this movie. The only part i dont like about it is that John Conner basically relies on Batman gadgets for the second half of it. I always blamed Jonathan Nolan for that.
@@snoweverywhere what you mean the hacking? Your kidding right that was a part of john character from T2 just saying if that's what your referencing?.
The SETS WERE AWESOME! (I don't remember the script at all, but the VISUALS WERE AWESOME!
I liked salvation from the first time I saw it. Getting to see judgement day at the end of part 3 and then seeing life post judgement day in salvation was awesome and didn't feel over the top.
Don’t forget the trailer for Terminator Salvation was amazing but also spoiled the biggest plot twist. I remember being excited about it but also being disappointed that the movie lacked any other major moments. Can’t help but feel it would be regarded better if not for the trailer.
I remember walking out of the theatre thinking "that was awesome!" I don't get the negative reviews of this film and I hadn't gotten that same feeling with T3 or Genysis... Dark Fate was okay but this was very good.
Growing up with T1 and T2 I loved that they finally showed us the world after judgement day. It’s a good movie. Much better than the 3rd.
I think this movie was the right way to go after T2. It is a real shame that they did not finish the trilogy. I remember watching this and thinking to myself, wow, I can't wait for the next one. We deserve to know if we ever win the war in the future. My favorite scenes from T1 were always the ones where they were in the future fighting the machines.