Nah honestly that was pretty understandable. From their point of view, Germany was always separated into a thousand states, so when they suddenly unite and beat the sheet out of France, almost twice, it’s pretty obvious they would want to tear Germany apart like it was before whenever they would win. Plus they always wanted to take control over the Rhineland to achieve their "natural borders". So even though their plan was absolutely insane it was still pretty understandable from their point of view
@vicrai578 ehhh i don't know about that,from their point of view sure,but it was still insane and made the german people suffer when the citzens didn't do anything to them.
Even more unrealistic: What if every single Central Power lost so badly they shrunk like post-WW1 Armenia? For perspective, Trianon made Hungary lose 70% of their land, while Armenians lost 90-something% of their land due to pogroms.
@@rewriting-history Isn't it written on the video where you show the map from Wikipedia that it was a *propoganda poster?* I mean, propoganda posters are, well, propoganda. So they aren't really meant to be the *exact* plans of the French.
With the borders that Poland has in this video, it would most likely turn into an ultranationalist state. Due to the fact that they received Silesia and the Great Depression would not have had such a big impact in Europe we could have seen the Anschluss of Czechs and the invasion of Russia, which is facing internal problems just like in the video
please make a what if bulgaria got all promised lands, even tho not really realistic it could happen with some changes in the past also you could make Two versions like on for ww1 and one for ww2?
I think that there would still be a lot of Russian influence in Poland, but it could go either side. The exact borders and alliances are hard to predict
@@rewriting-history I guess that's possible. But if there would be any war happening Poland is surely stabbing Russia in the back at some point. (saying it as a Pole)
you seem to forget that East Prussia, Pommern and Silesia had a clear german majority at the time, a population which would revolt against Russian and Polish rule in these territories. unless Poland and Russia use brutal force to ethnically cleanse the germans like after the Second World War in real life, these territories would revolt too eventually, although the Russian Imperial Family having german roots, i don’t think they’d try to russify Königsberg
I don’t feel France would be able to keep Germany, broken up for any extended period of time, especially with these borders as soon as they become hostile against Russia, large amounts of the German population are going to attempt to reunite Germany seeing as they will get Russian support and considering Germany’s population would have a lot of very heavily armed, former World War I veterans and France would be unlikely to receive much foreign support in occupying Germany. You could see the French army suffering, heavy casualties as they’d be outnumbered by local forces who have similar levels of equipment to them so Germany would likely reunite quite quickly after the war at which point both Denmark, what’s left of the Czechs and Austria would likely quickly be annexed or in Denmark‘s case just lose their German territory. Greatly weakening France.
@@talesferreiralimadossantos8806 austria lost it’s entire empire, that’s like 80 percent of it’s territory, plus the austro-hungarian empire is technically austrias empire even if the hungarians had autonomy, so yeah austria lost more(tho I guess you could make the point hungary lost more land that was important to greater hungary then austria lost that was culturally important) (also note I am romanian so there might be a slight bias against hungary, even if I try to be neutral)
@@dinurusanu7902Austria and Hungary were actually equals since the compromise of 1867. That's why both nations received separate treaties. Also, they ruled diferent territories: Austria had Bohemia, Moravia, Slovenia, South Tyrol, Trentino, Dalmatia, Istria, Galicia and Bucovina, while Hungary had Burgenland, Slovakia, Croatia-Slavonia, Transylvania and the port city of Fiume. So each nation lost territories based on what they each controled, not considering the whole Austria-Hungary.
Erm actually at 10:42 mapping mistake here, the island directly left of Gallipoli was owned by the Ottomans and still owned by them not Greece. This ruins the video completely for me cause this is a big mistake why don't ypu have a lapse in your judgement now for this, Im unsubscribing from you and I hate your chanel. Slava Türkiye! 🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳
I feel a bit sad that you mostly leave the most important part of politics, aka economy, out of picture. But I understand that it will most likely multiply the amount of work to do. Anyway, thanks for the best RUclips content ❤
@@Lilio1467 I agree, but how bad it would actually be is impossible to tell. Still there is no strong German state that would attack Poland over it, so it is likely fine
What happened to the Germans west of the Oder river? I heavily doubt that the Russian Empire would expell them like the Sovjets did, many Germans already fled their home before with the Sovjet advance in our timeline. To my knowledge, the Germans in the historically occupied regions by the Russian Empire in early WW1 didn't flee their home. So the Germans would still remain in the polish autonomous region and this new and weak Poland likely wouldn't keep everything if they break away from the Empire and the Germans revolt. You've shown an autonomous region for Prussia, so the Germans certainly weren't expelled from there so I'd like to ask you what you had in mind for the German Pommeranians and Silesians to have happened in this scenario. A newly independent big Prussian state could sweap a wave of nationalism into at least the northern part of former Germany, the idea of a united Germany isn't gone just because of a forced breakup by foreign powers. I also think you underestimate the German states like Bavaria, which would be strong without any war debt. I think in a cold war the poorly controlled German states would rather focus on trying to reunite than picking either side if you ask me.
Yes, I responded to a similar comment but forgot to mention it in the video. I don't think that Russia would expel too many Germans, so they will remain in Poland and Prussia
Arabs could never, nor would they ever. Considering they were less nomadic and Anatolian steppes would suit them less so as a habitat, they're likely to not even venture there, just becoming another stale ally for the Byzantines like how the Persians were.
France partitioning Germany after WW1 be like: Je will make vous wish vous were never alive... France getting partitioned after Napoleon be like: Je have made a few mistakes, how about pre-war borders, oui?
Switzerland would never accept so much new land with German speakers as it would tip the internal balance, so additional French (Chablais) and Italian (Veltin) would need to be given.
@@rewriting-history Yes, but it could lead to instability in the middle of Europe, with the Swiss basically kicking out Tirol and Voralberg with all consequences.
About Albania being annexed in this (insane) French peace plan. You haven't brought up the possibility that Albania was expected to join the Central Powers here. Albania had a German royal in charge, it owes its size and perhaps its existence solely from Austria-Hungary trying to block Serbia from the Adriatic after the First Balkan War, and a Central Powers Albania would likely want to get Kosovo from Serbia if the Entente lost. This seems like a more natural way to get the map's postwar result for Albania than just allowing Serbia and Greece to eat this neutral buffer for reasons.
I think a failure in the bolshewiki under Lenin securing the revolution would be an interesting idea for a longer video. I do not know how big the effects on the great war would have been. Also the development in and outside of Russia could be interesting. Maybe other branches of socialism would have been stronger in europe, maybe socialist ideas would just fade more or less.
I think this is the first timeline i ever found which makes the nazies look like cute small kittens 😳 france was absolutely deranged to even consider this peace treaty 💀
Me changing my location and language on RUclips to disable the crap italian dubbed ai voices and the title translation RUclips: No (it's terrible) gosh
Germany: what could make this treaty worse.
France and Russia: splits Germany into 2992 kingdoms
HRE Germany is the only Germany!
@@rewriting-historybro why bro why the thumbnail and the video hurts my eyes 😭😭
More like duchies or principalities
France was under the influence of something when developing that Treaty
Fent
Rage and revenge
They don't make drugs and alcohol like they used to before
Nah honestly that was pretty understandable. From their point of view, Germany was always separated into a thousand states, so when they suddenly unite and beat the sheet out of France, almost twice, it’s pretty obvious they would want to tear Germany apart like it was before whenever they would win. Plus they always wanted to take control over the Rhineland to achieve their "natural borders". So even though their plan was absolutely insane it was still pretty understandable from their point of view
@vicrai578 ehhh i don't know about that,from their point of view sure,but it was still insane and made the german people suffer when the citzens didn't do anything to them.
French-british rivalry then : we go war for the 391st time !
French-british rivalry in XXth century : I bet I make worse borders than you
This could be possible if france used space marines.
Yes, thats factually correct
That's actually kind of funny. 😂
Dont let france cook EVER
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I find funny the idea that this treaty forgets about Africa , meaning the German empire is just there in afrika
Good to know that Rewriting History's book can still happen in this cursed timeline.
Even more unrealistic: What if every single Central Power lost so badly they shrunk like post-WW1 Armenia? For perspective, Trianon made Hungary lose 70% of their land, while Armenians lost 90-something% of their land due to pogroms.
As a French I can confirm that he drank too much wine
Seems possible
Austria-Moravia is 100% the result of chugging far too much wine.
Who the hell cooked up this peace deal? I got eye cancer from looking at this map.
A French ultranationalist political party is credited with making this peace plan, so them being ultranationalist explains quite a lot :D
The French are not known for their mental health
This borders 😭they are not supported by any historical or regional boundaries. I don't know what France was on, but it must have been strong
French wine hits different in 1915
@rewriting-history yes, Currently weaker
Cool vid seriously good job my man
I really appreciate that!
What in the world are those austrian borders
Yes, IDK what France was thinking, but this was their real proposal
@@rewriting-history Isn't it written on the video where you show the map from Wikipedia that it was a *propoganda poster?* I mean, propoganda posters are, well, propoganda. So they aren't really meant to be the *exact* plans of the French.
With the borders that Poland has in this video, it would most likely turn into an ultranationalist state. Due to the fact that they received Silesia and the Great Depression would not have had such a big impact in Europe we could have seen the Anschluss of Czechs and the invasion of Russia, which is facing internal problems just like in the video
your videos are really fun to watch.
I appreciate that, I strive to make better and better videos
I wonder how the spanish civil war went in this timeline, or if there even would be one
Can you make a video of France being partitioned rather than Germany.
When’s the Central Powers Britain timeline from the recent poll coming out?
20 days after the poll, it said.
The main problem with this scenario is Britain, they would never accept France or Russia dominating Europe, even if they aren't allied.
No wayyy you actually made a video on it Thanks
You are welcome!
please make a what if bulgaria got all promised lands, even tho not really realistic it could happen with some changes in the past also you could make Two versions like on for ww1 and one for ww2?
21:13 Poland on the side of Russia? Both Poles and germans would hate Russia, plus Poland always has been french ally. Doesn't make sense
I think that there would still be a lot of Russian influence in Poland, but it could go either side. The exact borders and alliances are hard to predict
@@rewriting-history I guess that's possible. But if there would be any war happening Poland is surely stabbing Russia in the back at some point. (saying it as a Pole)
Average AI peace deal in HOI4
HOI4 has even worse peace deals :D
Form Yugoslavia as Bulgaria in hoi4@@rewriting-history
@@rewriting-history Lmao
you seem to forget that East Prussia, Pommern and Silesia had a clear german majority at the time, a population which would revolt against Russian and Polish rule in these territories.
unless Poland and Russia use brutal force to ethnically cleanse the germans like after the Second World War in real life, these territories would revolt too eventually, although the Russian Imperial Family having german roots, i don’t think they’d try to russify Königsberg
They tried to Russifie everything ever
The one thing i don't like is border gores like The holy roman empire for an example, But an interesting video Keep up with the good work
I appreciate that! Thankfully for the borders you don't have to blame me, rather blame the French government for making this peace plan in 1915
@@rewriting-history Got an Question what do you think if Germany was invited to The Treaty of Versailles when the war is over
I don’t feel France would be able to keep Germany, broken up for any extended period of time, especially with these borders as soon as they become hostile against Russia, large amounts of the German population are going to attempt to reunite Germany seeing as they will get Russian support and considering Germany’s population would have a lot of very heavily armed, former World War I veterans and France would be unlikely to receive much foreign support in occupying Germany. You could see the French army suffering, heavy casualties as they’d be outnumbered by local forces who have similar levels of equipment to them so Germany would likely reunite quite quickly after the war at which point both Denmark, what’s left of the Czechs and Austria would likely quickly be annexed or in Denmark‘s case just lose their German territory. Greatly weakening France.
As if the Real treaty wasn't harsh enough, you just had to put the nail in the coffin, keep up the great work
Nah, it's not that harsh tbh. Hungary endured the harshest treaty losing half of it's territory
@@allenondevilla7874nah the harshest treaty was the one turkey originally got(sevres), hell even austria lost way more then hungary ever did
@@dinurusanu7902How so? Hungary lost about 2/3 of its territory, did Austria really lose more??
@@talesferreiralimadossantos8806 austria lost it’s entire empire, that’s like 80 percent of it’s territory, plus the austro-hungarian empire is technically austrias empire even if the hungarians had autonomy, so yeah austria lost more(tho I guess you could make the point hungary lost more land that was important to greater hungary then austria lost that was culturally important) (also note I am romanian so there might be a slight bias against hungary, even if I try to be neutral)
@@dinurusanu7902Austria and Hungary were actually equals since the compromise of 1867. That's why both nations received separate treaties. Also, they ruled diferent territories: Austria had Bohemia, Moravia, Slovenia, South Tyrol, Trentino, Dalmatia, Istria, Galicia and Bucovina, while Hungary had Burgenland, Slovakia, Croatia-Slavonia, Transylvania and the port city of Fiume. So each nation lost territories based on what they each controled, not considering the whole Austria-Hungary.
Erm actually at 10:42 mapping mistake here, the island directly left of Gallipoli was owned by the Ottomans and still owned by them not Greece. This ruins the video completely for me cause this is a big mistake why don't ypu have a lapse in your judgement now for this, Im unsubscribing from you and I hate your chanel.
Slava Türkiye! 🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳🇹🇳
Oh no, this is the biggest mistake of my life. I should make an apology video :(
How could he do this! He’s going to get canceled over these unacceptable acts!
INDO SLOVENIAN DRAMA LLAMA
I haven't seen your Content in a While, RH!
I hope you liked this video regardless :)
@@rewriting-history Yes.
Remember alcohol can cause side effects
Side effects may or may not include desiring the formation of the Austro-Moravian Empire.
I would say that this scenario is the complete opposite of Kaiserreich. It should be designed as well.
Oh I never considered that! What an interesting idea!
@rewriting-history If you want to do something about it, I'd be happy to help you. Поздрав од комшије 👍🏻
Mmm yes the Frankreich.
@@rewriting-history is hoi4 age restricted
LOVE YOUR CONTENT! THANKS FOR THIS ❤❤❤❤❤
I feel a bit sad that you mostly leave the most important part of politics, aka economy, out of picture. But I understand that it will most likely multiply the amount of work to do.
Anyway, thanks for the best RUclips content ❤
Keep up the good work 😊😊😊😊😊
I thought I was red world alternate ending
AHHHH MY EYES!
WHAT THE HELL WAS WRONG WITH FRANCE DURING WW1
An unhealthy dose of drugs, alcohol, and revenge :D
What if Franz Ferdinand killed gavrilo princip
@@Reinodelparaguay617 yoooooo
Now _that_ would've been a comeback!
can you make a video about what if bulgaria was a super power and never fell under ottomen rule
Rewriting history you can do what if Soviet retreat from Easter Europe?
Another addition to my collection of my country's drumb ideas
What happened with all germans of East Prussia, Pomerania, and Silesia in this video?
Good point, I assume they will still be there and won't be deported
@rewriting-history I think that Poland of this timeline will have a big minority problem.
@@Lilio1467 I agree, but how bad it would actually be is impossible to tell. Still there is no strong German state that would attack Poland over it, so it is likely fine
What if USA invaded Mexico in WW1
Mexico folds like a cheap suit and does little to delay American involvement in the western front.
Pls do part2
Russo-British rivalry gonna be fire 🔥🔥
France was way to extreme but it’s France so
Did you mean : France was In a Mad rage?
@ Basically
What happened to the Germans west of the Oder river? I heavily doubt that the Russian Empire would expell them like the Sovjets did, many Germans already fled their home before with the Sovjet advance in our timeline. To my knowledge, the Germans in the historically occupied regions by the Russian Empire in early WW1 didn't flee their home. So the Germans would still remain in the polish autonomous region and this new and weak Poland likely wouldn't keep everything if they break away from the Empire and the Germans revolt. You've shown an autonomous region for Prussia, so the Germans certainly weren't expelled from there so I'd like to ask you what you had in mind for the German Pommeranians and Silesians to have happened in this scenario. A newly independent big Prussian state could sweap a wave of nationalism into at least the northern part of former Germany, the idea of a united Germany isn't gone just because of a forced breakup by foreign powers. I also think you underestimate the German states like Bavaria, which would be strong without any war debt. I think in a cold war the poorly controlled German states would rather focus on trying to reunite than picking either side if you ask me.
Yes, I responded to a similar comment but forgot to mention it in the video.
I don't think that Russia would expel too many Germans, so they will remain in Poland and Prussia
idk man, if i know something would have never happened and is just map painting, how can i find it interesting or fun?
What if Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania were never invaded by the Soviet Union during World War II?
18:28 Bulgarian nationalist
Ah shit, here we go again
What if the peace teraty between the Allied Powers and the Axis in WW2 was roughly like the treaty of versaile?
Make a scenario of what if the Arabs made an empire in the place of the Ottomans and conquered Constantinople 🙏
Arabs could never, nor would they ever. Considering they were less nomadic and Anatolian steppes would suit them less so as a habitat, they're likely to not even venture there, just becoming another stale ally for the Byzantines like how the Persians were.
part 2?
what map are you using for terrain and how can i get it
The true winner is Romania
Could you make video of what if Alfred the great lost in Æthandun?
France partitioning Germany after WW1 be like: Je will make vous wish vous were never alive...
France getting partitioned after Napoleon be like: Je have made a few mistakes, how about pre-war borders, oui?
Bro what the hell was France smoking 💀💀💀
All of it! :D
They were smoking through baguettes lol
I dont think that Britain would leave the war because they dont want France and Russia to be too powerful after the peace treaty, right?
Switzerland would never accept so much new land with German speakers as it would tip the internal balance, so additional French (Chablais) and Italian (Veltin) would need to be given.
Yes I know, hence why they didn't take Vorarlberg for free. Still these were the French plans and I wanted to follow them closely
@@rewriting-history Yes, but it could lead to instability in the middle of Europe, with the Swiss basically kicking out Tirol and Voralberg with all consequences.
About Albania being annexed in this (insane) French peace plan. You haven't brought up the possibility that Albania was expected to join the Central Powers here. Albania had a German royal in charge, it owes its size and perhaps its existence solely from Austria-Hungary trying to block Serbia from the Adriatic after the First Balkan War, and a Central Powers Albania would likely want to get Kosovo from Serbia if the Entente lost. This seems like a more natural way to get the map's postwar result for Albania than just allowing Serbia and Greece to eat this neutral buffer for reasons.
This was a plan by Action Française. NOT the French government
Bro was France on something when they thought of this? Like brother, what the f*ck are those Austrian and Balkan borders?
France just smoked the entire periodic table all at once. The Austrian borders are literally CRIMINAL
Plsss make Part 2 abaut this and next video idea:What if Nato and Eu did not exist
Can you make something on Sweden please
No way. Rewriting History making a review of "Divided" by Liquid Lake😱
Hes suffering a czech nationalist withdrawl
"as you can see they are clearly insane"
nothing unnexpected comming from the frensh, or any west european empire
I think a failure in the bolshewiki under Lenin securing the revolution would be an interesting idea for a longer video. I do not know how big the effects on the great war would have been. Also the development in and outside of Russia could be interesting. Maybe other branches of socialism would have been stronger in europe, maybe socialist ideas would just fade more or less.
Britain will be mad with this peace also that bordergore makes me remenber average age of history 2 game
Can you make a Vietnamese dub for your video? I am Vietnamese.
Pls a democratic path of Germany
I disagree
This alt history imo is much better
What if the smaller Germany states never unified after the Franco Prussian war also I'm a big fan and love your videos
hi sir,
can you please make a video on the topic
if indian rebels won the revolt of 1857
What if all boarders post ww1 were based on ethnic lines entirely
What if Serbia won 1804 rebellion(perhaps in 1809).
Or what if Ottoman empire colapsed in 19th century?
not even france would accept this
This is something the AI in Hoi4 would actually do 🤣🤣🤣
4:00 still water Balkan rage
can you PLEASE do if sweden won the great northern war
What if Italy was partitioned after WW2?
What if World War I was a stalemate?
21:37 Reminds me of something
Also hehe funni number
who let france cook
Can you do a scenario where spain and japan were allies in 1896
42 seconds ago wtf
Is him
You knew in advance that I was going to post it :D
@@rewriting-history oh yeah true 😅
What if Britain kept Hanover & united Germany
Geez Louise, Nuclear War!
Bavaria for the win
It’s 5 am for me
The new polish state is basically half german lmfao
Get all Balkan on ur side is rather get a world peace 💀💀
Lmao yes, I didn't consider how unrealistic that actually is, yet this is how France planned to win
Its good that this peace treaty didn't happen,those borders look disgusthing
AI in HOI4 make borders at the same level tbh
I think this is the first timeline i ever found which makes the nazies look like cute small kittens 😳
france was absolutely deranged to even consider this peace treaty 💀
5:49 "daddy help me!" Noice. my dumbahh forgot that Germans were the sugar daddies..
should've given allat land to the cook islands
RH when Sovereign Lands Video
Balkans won't have where to work anymore 😂
Me changing my location and language on RUclips to disable the crap italian dubbed ai voices and the title translation RUclips: No (it's terrible) gosh
Bruh let Germany take a break