I love how proud you are about your German Jewish background. I think it's cool that you haven't forgotten where your family have come from to me it is really touching and it made me laugh that you have a rabbi subscribed to your patron!!
I've been enjoying your Vlognukah videos so much this year! The little moments of TTC discussions and thought processes are especially meaningful. And I really appreciate the PJ Library context you added in the description box (I wanted to mention that because I imagine that people who feel negatively about your decision will probably be more likely to say so, but I seriously appreciate the extra time and thought on your end to respectfully inform us of the situation)
On the Jewish cultural vs religious discussion - I've always explained that Jewishness is both a religion and an ethnicity. For me, I'm ethnically Jewish, but religiously I'm atheist. This is where your Dutch analogy makes a lot of sense to me, it's about ethnicity and culture and not about religion or connection to god.
Can i ask how being Jewish is a race? I never understood that. I personally hold the view that there is one race, and that is the human race. A view i base from a plain reading of Genesis.
@@Bradenc3 ethnicity and race are two different things. Being Jewish was viewed as a race in the past and some people still describe it that way, but that isn't what Hannah and the original commenter are discussing. Ethnicity is a group who share a common cultural background or descent
On the topic of age gaps with siblings, I’m almost exactly 6 years older than my brother, and we get on really well. There were some phases when we were kids where we wouldn’t get along so well (but nothing major), but also phases where we’d do lots of things together. I know that doesn’t change how you’ve imagined things or how difficult it is now, but some other people struggling with having their second child have said that stories of successful age gaps were helpful for them to hear. All the best ◡̈
I'm 4 years older than my brother and we socialise like friends. I go out with his friends and he comes out with mine. We've been on holiday together with our partners etc too. 4 years feels like nothing.
Atheist here, for me I the secular Jewish thing still makes sense because of all the Christian stuff I partake in even though I'm very much an atheist (especially around Christmas) e.g. having an angel on a Christmas tree, christmas carols, taking part in Lent, Easter eggs (although I am aware that a lot of Christian stuff is also repackaged pagan stuff!)
the "repackaged pagan stuff" is such nonsense i'm sorry-- it's a nice narrative but it just isn't true. Trent Horn has some good explanations if you're interested.
As a fellow Jew I wanted to make this point. Thank you for making it for me. It takes a certain level of critical thought to be able to see your own practice that way. At the same time, it's super frustrating when "regular people" (read: Christian atheists) dont see it. I think it's very telling that people don't realize they are also atheists participating in religiously inspired traditions when they celebrate Christmas. It shows the degree to which Christian traditions are accepted as the default and norm in western society. (I tried really hard to not be too intense about this and I think I failed miserably 😅)
Thanks for this point - as a Jewish person I notice a lot of my secular friends from Christian heritage doing cultural customs from this country linked to Christianity - like making pancakes on pancake day, buying Easter eggs, crossing their fingers for good luck, or singing the UK national anthem (God save the queen) or wearing something with a flag on (at George's cross) for the world cup, they wouldn't think of this as religious or even particularly cultural because it's the normalised majority culture here. But I've had some friends be confused about me doing things I see as similar when I am mostly secular.
I totally feel you on the sibling age gap concern! I wanted 2 years, maybe 3 max, but had trouble conceiving as well. I'll spare the details, but there are now 4 years and 2 months separating my children, and it's actually amazing. They get along so well, playing independently, the little one has learned so many things so much faster by imitating her brother, I wouldn't have it any other way. I know that's not incredibly helpful to say to someone desperately wishing for that second baby, but it will happen in due time, and it will be the perfect timing for your kids and your family. After all, you never get a guarantee for your kids to get along, no matter how close together or far apart. They are headstrong little people! Wishing you the best of luck on your journey 🧡
I feel like it is harder to explain being Jewish, but only cultural, because Jews are a minority. Like, I am German, and Germany has many Christian traditions (and maybe not "Christian" foods, but food that is associated with Christian holidays). I am German, and my family has a Christian background, but my parents did not raise me Christian. We still celebrate Christmas, have traditions around Easter and Christmas (food, Christmas Markets, Christmas cookies, Advent calendars, the list goes on. Even not working on Sundays is a "Christian tradition"). And I think no one was ever confused about that, because so many people have the same traditions, without being religious. We just don't necessarily recognize them as having their roots in religion, because it is seen as the norm to do these kinds of things.
You could ask some survey questions on friendship/community. E.g. how many close friends do you have, what do you consider a close friend, how satisfied do you feel with your social life, how many days of the week do you see someone that you don’t live/work with? Etc 😊
I am loving re-watching all of your slow fashion videos. I love how colorful your style is and seeing how you put things together. Any thrifting you do would be interesting as well.
I love any time you talk about being Jewish because I feel exactly the same way you do about it, and it’s nice to hear another person with a similar perspective. I have 11 month old twin boys and my husband is a former Christian turned atheist. I’m also only connected to my Judaism for the traditions and the family bit of it and am trying to work out how to raise my sons Jewish while only being Jew-ish. So anyway, I very much appreciate that bit of your content and happy Hanukkah!
42:06 I know it’s really tough when things don’t work out how you’d always planned/imagined; but if it makes you feel any better, my partner is 10 years older than his sister and they are closer than any other siblings I know. Despite the gap they are absolutely best friends. Really hope everything works out 💖💖
As a Dutch person, I loved the analogy. I've had some study friends from India who explained their secular Hindu festivities, which sounds very similar.
I remember reading or listening in one of your videos about the age gap thing. As someone with a 4-year age gap between me (big sister) and my little brother, I can tell you that that kind of age gap felt 100% normal to me growing up, to the point where I didn't know people considered it a larger than average gap. Being 4 years old and having a baby brother to coddle was like a dream come true for me. My parents said I was obsessed with him the moment he came out and I would put him in dolls baskets etc etc. As we grew up, I don't recall the 4 years ever being a deterrent to us doing things together. With our family being from Poland, we would get sent there for summer holidays to be with my grandparents. And my brother was my best friend and favourite person throughout those years and we did EVERYTHING together. Even now as a 31 year old, I look at my 27 year old brother as my baby brother and I've never felt our age difference once. I obviously can't speak to my parents experience, but I can see from photo or video evidence, that it must have been helpful for them to have a reception-age child when they had their second kid. As my brother got older and was mobile, I was 6 or 7, at which point I was able to actually be helpful if needed, like help my brother into a coat or help him with his shoes. My mum mostly parented us alone, so while I'm not saying it's an eldest child's role to help out, it's at least useful to have one child who is capable of being more independent when you have a younger one to deal with. I'm sure there are people out there who had different experiences with the same age gap as me and my brother have, but for us it really is wonderful and magical relationship for most of our lives and any issues we had stemmed more from personality issues than any kind of age difference.
Always exciting to see Jewish content in Vlognukkah! I remember just before you were pregnant with Rowan there was a conversation following a newsletter you sent out about the book Jews Don't Count. I'd be really curious to hear any reflections on that piece a few years on, and now as a parent how you're thinking about talking about antisemitism with Rowan. Thanks for these great videos in a content-quiet time of year!
If you did a census, I would LOVE to know about everyone's jobs and financial situations. I myself an educated but unemployed and struggling to get a job, and I feel like a lot of people my age are struggling with the same thing
I love the name Rowan, but I also find all those English tree/flower names so funny because in my native language German they are often "speaking" compounds, for example rowan literally translates to 'bird-berry' (Vogelbeere). And it just sounds so different because names usually don't have an immediately graspable meaning, but floral names like Rowan 'bird-berry', Holly 'jab-palmtree' (Stechpalme) or Daisy 'little goose-flower' (Gänseblümchen) very much do in German :D
For any readers - being Jewish is an ethnoreligion. So like being english, or french, or iraqi is an ethnicity, being jewish is an ethnicity too. There are many different Jewish ethnic groups. Hannah mentions she is German Jewish, my husband is Ashkenazi Jewish with routes from Lithuania and Poland. But I have friends who are ethnically Ethiopian Jewish and also Yemeni Jewish to name a few! Additionally, because its a religion you can also have people like myself who are not ethnically Jewish, but have converted and become religiously Jewish. Because of the concept of Jewishness being an ethnoreligion, people may view conversion as naturalisation and joining a nation! Those are just my thoughts as a convert to Judaism who is also a person of colour!
Wicked is amazing film I cannot wait for part 2! What a great cast to couldn’t fault it whatsoever 🙌 Happy New Year to you and family Hannah! 🎉 bring on 2025
I'd like to see the friends styling you/you styling friends and you wearing outfits that are not your usual style. I think that would be quite fun! You could be Goth Hannah, Vintage Hannah, Punk Hannah... idk, maybe I'm just an overgrown kid but throwing on a costume still sounds fun to me. And the book video ideas! Just any of them. I'd love to see more book content from you if you're interested in making it.
I saw another comment on liking the questionaire thingy on insta and me too! General demographics, jobs, location and lifestyly things would be fun! Really hope that the metformin keeps making your cycles shorter!! Insane how much more oppurtunities that could give you per year! Fingers crossed!! Love all the colab and fashion ideas! Really like the content I have seen with other youtubers with styling and wardrobe challenges.
Hi Hannah - love your content, I watch a lot but never comment 🙈 just to send love re ttc. It took longer than planned for both my first and second time round due to my cycles. We started trying when my first born was 8 months and finally we welcomed his brother just after his 4th birthday. I remember feeling that pressure you described, hoping for a certain age gap and seeing others around me get pregnant easily. It’s tough and can be lonely. The 4 year age gap wasn’t planned but has been absolutely perfect for us. I hope this year is good to you! Cheers for keeping me company during my house work ❤
As an Irish person whose parents are atheists but who was pretty much raised by a very Roman Catholic grandmother I understand the idea of being connected culturally but not in a religious way to a religion. Especially because of the British colonization of Ireland and how Irish people were discriminated against for being catholic I see it as really important to not abandon that part of myself. Like even though I don't remotely believe in her I go to a shrine of the virgin mary whenever I need to clear my head, I think the more agonistic our society becomes the more we need to learn how to incorporate into our lives aspects of religion we don't want to forget! I absolutely adore your videos! Would love more book content if you'd ever be up to making it!
Jessica Kellgren-Fozard did a video where her little son styled her! He is very stylish himself so I don't know if Rowan would be up for it but that's an option. And a husband styling video is always a good idea!
2025 bingo would be fun! Me and my friends made them last night. We each came up with 24 things we want to do in 2025 (ie new walk somewhere in our country, going to a new restaurant, decorating my work from home office, submitting the next article for my PhD, Efteling is actually on our bingo cards haha). As a more fun, less "punishing" alternative to new year's resolution. We had such a good time coming up with the 24 things and decorating our bingo cards😊
The bookshop in Battersea Power Station does those wrapped up books. Also it's independent despite looking like a waterstones. They seemed quite offended when I tried to scan my app... oops!
You could do more coaching videos too! Like for instance what the hell is it? And if I had x problem, what would a coach do to walk me through it? (You could even do as opposed to a therapist or a friend or a spouse) It’s a fascinating world and I know nothing about it.
Hi Hannah!! I’d love to keep up with your current TTC journey as long as you’re willing to share. My husband and I are in the same boat and I love hearing as many perspectives/ experiences as possible 🩷 best of luck with baby #2!
oh my gosh quality couple bonding time doing lego sets is the best, isn't it!! the rivendell set is the dream. weve been working on the office set this year11
I think your Taylor Swift analogy about analyzing her songs like poems is spot on (especially as a former English major). I think the ability to interpret her lyrics (and the encouragement to look for symbols, Easter eggs, real-life references, etc.) is part of what makes her music so popular/engaging.
I can't remember if it's something you've already done bc I know you've worked together before, but re collabs/working with other people & fashion videos for next year: I'd personally love if you and Jessica Kellgren-Fozard worked together again for a vintage clothing video of some kind?? As a fan of both of you, I love when you're in the same video 😂🥰
That LEGO set looks MAJESTIC ✨ Have fun building it (unless you've already finished, since it's pre-filmed 😅). I loved Efteling, it has much more character than Disney and isn't so crowded.
I feel connected to my Russian heritage when I have Eastern Orthodox paraphernalia. My mom visited Kazakhstan recently and she got me a bunch of Eastern Orthodox stuff. My mom would have a bunch of that stuff around the house so to me it’s just something connected to my family and something that is comforting. I don’t have any connection to god and I’m pretty much atheist but I enjoy having Eastern Orthodox stuff to keep close to my Russian heritage and my Russian mother as an American.
I somewhat practice but I got lucky with an unusually well studied parish. (Ironically this usually results in parish that is very heavily practicing and religiously traditional but more socially liberal/aware because well…they actually read the book and chose to follow it.) Anyway 2 suggestions: ice cream/treats on feast days. Also Father Arseny: A Cloud of Witnesses is a fabulous read. It discusses his work in the gulags but isn’t preachy. It really helped me better appreciate and connect with family and friends who lived under communism.
Love lots of your video ideas! Would also like a games recommendations video for games parents can play. Maybe ones that are easy to start and stop or can fit into an evening after you've put the kids to bed 😅 Love all your fashion videos
The second I heard about the 40 by 40 list I went and started a 30 by 30 list! I'm 25, going on 26 in April and I definitely feel like I've missed out on a lot and don't get to do a lot of 20 something year old things, the 30 by 30 list is a great way to figure out what I want to do!
I like the 2025 Bingo Card idea. Still goals or ambitions for the year but not as stressful if you don’t do them all. Just need to get some done to make a bingo
My daughter turns 3 in the Spring and we’ve been trying for our second for nearly a year and a half (took 12 months last time). I very much relate to you and your ttc journey. Hopefully 2025 will be both of our years for getting pregnant.
Totally up to you but one thing I do to preserve my religious heritage (not Jewish) though I’m not always comfortable with all things related to my religion (Eastern Orthodox Christian) is to intentionally give to charity that I find important and tie into a holy day. Ex for days related to the Theotokus (Virgin Mary) we pick out a board game to donate to the children’s hospital because the children’s hospital cares for pregnant women and sick children which is associated with the Theotokus culturally but the hospital doesn’t get overally involved in political movements. I got this tradition from my mom who always made a point to take us shopping to get gifts for the local group homes for children in foster care who are waiting to be placed with a family.
I’m not Jewish, but I’ve lived in quite Jewish neighbourhoods in two cities in two countries, and it looks like donuts at Hannukah are definitely a thing, and not just for your family. (Anyone who is actually Jewish is free to correct me.)
Hannah, you mentioned National Theatre and NT Live, I’m a brand ambassador for the NTLive program!! I know these are filmed like a month in advance but if you still haven’t got an in with them yet let me know and I can try and introduce you with my contact. Their next PR invite is coming up in a couple of weeks and it’s an exciting one 👀👀
My kids are 3.5 years apart and best friends! (They are 12 and 8.5 now). I grew up in a family where I had a 12 year age gap from my sister and 13 months with my brother lol… and there’s pros/cons to all the gaps. Personally, I loved that my first was potty trained and mostly out of the tantrum phase when my second came.
As a fellow mum who was pregnant around the time you were and was also horribly sick (I had hyperemesis and your vlogs helped me feel less alone) - how do you approach the thought of sickness second time around? Both as a difficult thing to experience yourself, but as someone who also needs to work, and parent this time around? I find it far too frightening myself.
As an atheist/ other culture family, how are you handling the whole Father Christmas and Christmas tree things with Rowan? My family is also an 'other' household but we're not sure how we're going to handle it when we have kids. We don't want our kids to feel left out or deprived but we also don't really want to do traditions just for the sake of it.
Oof, my sister converted to Judaism about a decade ago and is raising a daughter who just started kindergarten at a Hebrew day school, they observe a lot of the religious traditions/restrictions and she was heavily involved with PJ library at the Jewish community center, like family programming and fundraising and when things in Israel ramped up last year she was organizing kids making cards to send to IDF soldiers for keeping them safe…on the east coast of the US. The Zionism in that particular sect really got to her and it was part of a big rift in our relationship. She literally wanted me to post pro Israel content online in support of her and if I didn’t I was antisemitic. Truly so wild to see a family member drink the koolaid to that extent. Glad you included your PJ Library experience and the additional note added after looking into it more. I really appreciate your content, I don’t usually comment but it was nice to have a space to acknowledge that organization’s intent. I respect your intent in responsibly introducing your kiddo to Judaism 💛
I'm happy to hear your TTC journey! I'm a fellow lean PCOS girl with a baby/toddler who does not sleep. I'm glad metformin is working for you. Have you looked into an inositol supplement? It was the main thing that worked for me. I'm also going to start taking vitex once I wean
Yes, do Blind Date with a Book. But buy it from a good bookshop, not Etsy or similar, where people sometimes offload old junk, and are not so accurate. The other day I saw my local library has a shelf of Blind Date books. The computers at the public libraries here can scan to self-checkout through the wrapper, so you can wait until you arrive home to see what you got.
I love liver pate! It's also amazing for TTC, liver is extremely nutritious, has exactly the nutrients needed for increasing fertility. Maybe ask your mom to make it more often for you!
When I saw you mentioning age gaps between children it really got me thinking how different it is for everyone. Because I'm 28 and my sister is 4,5 years younger than me. And when I was in elementary school that 4-6 year gap seemed most common among me and my peers. Now I see plenty people have kids closer together and I wonder if that's because people start having kids later, hence a smaller window to have them overall or why that is. I suppose your own age difference with your sibling also determines what you see as the standard. I have no kids and currently no desire to have them, but I also assume having 2 kids under 3 or even 4 seems super difficult. Though here most kids go to pre-school at age 3 as the standard parental leave is 3 years, which could also play a role in everything. In the end it's up to what the parents want, it just surprised me to see in your newsletter that you thought 5 years is a big gap when for me it was standard and bit gap was like 10+ years.
As a mum to an almost 2 year old I have put a lot of thought into age gaps especially as everyone in my social circle who had kids after me have already had their second, now my friend group is only in their mid 20s. One factor to also consider in most countries is that if a parent is scaling back or pausing their career in that season a longer age gap can mean even more time out of the workforce. Personally emotionally I feel ready for another already but am holding off so for the next 4 years in order to focus on work more so my husband can complete a degree and allow us to better support our family, but I am only 25 so feel more comfortable making that decision than someone 10 years older than me. But it 100% comes down to everyone is different as you said. It is just something I have thought about a little too in depth.
Dr. Justin Sledge from the channel ESOTERICA has really made me understand both Jewish and Christian histories so much better. Much recommended for those interested in the history of abrahamic religions
I'm very happy to hear that there are good resources for culturally Jewish families that are not zionist propaganda. I grew up celebrating Hanukkah with my grandmother, playing dreidel and eating soooo many latkes and matzo ball soup. The funny thing is we went to Baptist church so did Advent as well But ALSO celebrated kings day and would go to Christmas Mass lmfao.
There can also be resources for religious jewish families that are not Zionist propaganda (however you personally define that) The religion and ethnicity itself is not connected to Zionism or the state of Israel in its current form. You can learn about the religion and Israel (apart from historical places obviously) won't come up once
In sweden we have a flatbread that verry simular to matzah. Specilly if look how we used to make it before. A barley bread that have some weat in it today and maybe some rye nowdays. Atleast in north sweden it's eaten and even made into meals with soak it in not sonjewish porkbuljong and thats blöta. Or with milk. Milk kan ve used cold or hot and we then crush the bread. Pour milk over and eat with jam. That smålanedi.
I don’t understand how people don’t get the difference between religion and culture tbh. We’re living in the most secular age known to man and fewer and fewer people actively participate in religious practices, especially in the christian world, but our whole culture is still steeped in traditions that have religious origins- just think of the xmas holidays! Religion and culture overlap a lot, but something becomes religious if you actually believe in god and actively practice your traditions with the intent of honouring the god of your choice. I’m sure it slightly differs from religion to religion and culture to culture but it doesn’t seem like such a hard concept to grasp.
My GP also recommended the supplements ‘DIM’ and ‘Myo and D chiro inositol’ for my pcos while TTC! Could be something to consider/ask your GP about to help support your journey! I was TTC for 2 years with my first. It’s tough, sending you all the good baby vibes ❤
About analyzing the TS lyrics; check out the 'Let's ask Taylor Swift' podcast. You may have listened to a previous podcast from the host (Should I Quit)
Hello! Love all your content! If you are up for video ideas, I would love a chance to ask my burning questions about British culture (being an American). For example, what you call a jumper, I call a sweater. Do you have something called a sweater? If so, how is it different from a jumper? Not earth shattering, but these kinds of questions live rent free in my brain, and I would love to have someone to ask. Also, I would love to go to London some day, but travel is pricey. So, I love vlogs when you are out and about showing yourself exploring London. Allows this American to live vicariously and escape daily life for a minute. ❤
I think it can be hard for atheist people to grasp the concept of "culturally jewish", especially in "the West", because their is not such thing as "culturally christian". Yes, atheists people celebrate Christmas or Easter, but they don't defined themselves as "chrisitians", because Christianity is, for most people, only religious.
I think most of the people I know in practice are culturally Christian but it’s just not named as such. Celebrate Easter? Christmas? Just for the food, presents, family and songs? Sounds culturally Christian to me 😅
@@morehannah Another way of expressing it would be to say that religious practices and cultural practices are less intertwined among atheists of Christian culture. For example, in an older video, you said that you liked the idea of hanging a mezuzah on the lintel of your house. It's an object that has a religious character (it contains verses 6:4-9 and 11:13-21 of Deuteronomy), but which you see more as a cultural object. Well, it wouldn't occur to any atheist celebrating Christmas to hang a cross on the lintel of their house xD
@@morehannahWhat I mean is religious things and cultural things are less intertwined in Christianity. For example you once said you like the idea of having a mezuzah on your lintel, you see it as a cultural and not a religious object. No atheist of christian culture would put a cross on their lintel. XD BUT maybe I think that way because I'm French and there is less christian aesthetic around Christmas and Easter than in the UK (particularly Christmas). And we are a bit strict about the religious vs cultural thing 😂😂
@@morehannahor the amount of people that get their children christened but aren’t religious, mainly to bring the family together/family tradition or to get into certain schools 😂
ha, i lived above a Hasidic family with 6 kids for a while, and on Shabbat they let the kids stay up and run wild until like, 2am, fri and sat, every week. 😑 i know because my whole house shook. adult shabbat WAS kids shabbat. it was worse than living in a student house - never thought an orthodox community could party so much lol.
I love how proud you are about your German Jewish background. I think it's cool that you haven't forgotten where your family have come from to me it is really touching and it made me laugh that you have a rabbi subscribed to your patron!!
I have so much respect for your comments on Israel, thank you for speaking out ❤
I really appreciate you talking about TTC journey because it’s not talked about a lot and makes me feel less lonely
I know some in the comments are uncomfortable with your anti Zionist stance Hannah, but I for one am grateful.
I love Hannah even more for being so openly anti-Zionist. It's wonderful to see the trash take itself out
I've been enjoying your Vlognukah videos so much this year! The little moments of TTC discussions and thought processes are especially meaningful. And I really appreciate the PJ Library context you added in the description box (I wanted to mention that because I imagine that people who feel negatively about your decision will probably be more likely to say so, but I seriously appreciate the extra time and thought on your end to respectfully inform us of the situation)
On the Jewish cultural vs religious discussion - I've always explained that Jewishness is both a religion and an ethnicity. For me, I'm ethnically Jewish, but religiously I'm atheist. This is where your Dutch analogy makes a lot of sense to me, it's about ethnicity and culture and not about religion or connection to god.
Yea thank you!! And it’s why it bothers me in all census and identity forms Jewish is always in the religion section and not ethnicity!!
Can i ask how being Jewish is a race? I never understood that. I personally hold the view that there is one race, and that is the human race. A view i base from a plain reading of Genesis.
That’s why it’s an ethnoreligion!
@@Bradenc3 ethnicity and race are two different things. Being Jewish was viewed as a race in the past and some people still describe it that way, but that isn't what Hannah and the original commenter are discussing. Ethnicity is a group who share a common cultural background or descent
@@NotBulletProof245 ahh ok, that's makes sense. Thank you
LOVE the ideas for next year!! Especially EVERY SINGLE fashion video, the balcony video, and what I eat in a week.
On the topic of age gaps with siblings, I’m almost exactly 6 years older than my brother, and we get on really well. There were some phases when we were kids where we wouldn’t get along so well (but nothing major), but also phases where we’d do lots of things together. I know that doesn’t change how you’ve imagined things or how difficult it is now, but some other people struggling with having their second child have said that stories of successful age gaps were helpful for them to hear.
All the best ◡̈
I'm 4 years older than my brother and we socialise like friends. I go out with his friends and he comes out with mine. We've been on holiday together with our partners etc too. 4 years feels like nothing.
4,5 years between me and my sibling - we have always enjoyed having each other :)
Atheist here, for me I the secular Jewish thing still makes sense because of all the Christian stuff I partake in even though I'm very much an atheist (especially around Christmas) e.g. having an angel on a Christmas tree, christmas carols, taking part in Lent, Easter eggs (although I am aware that a lot of Christian stuff is also repackaged pagan stuff!)
Yes exactly!
Christmas feels like the perfect example of this on my opinion. I love a good Carol, have a nativity set etc yet am 100% atheist.
the "repackaged pagan stuff" is such nonsense i'm sorry-- it's a nice narrative but it just isn't true. Trent Horn has some good explanations if you're interested.
As a fellow Jew I wanted to make this point. Thank you for making it for me. It takes a certain level of critical thought to be able to see your own practice that way.
At the same time, it's super frustrating when "regular people" (read: Christian atheists) dont see it. I think it's very telling that people don't realize they are also atheists participating in religiously inspired traditions when they celebrate Christmas. It shows the degree to which Christian traditions are accepted as the default and norm in western society.
(I tried really hard to not be too intense about this and I think I failed miserably 😅)
Thanks for this point - as a Jewish person I notice a lot of my secular friends from Christian heritage doing cultural customs from this country linked to Christianity - like making pancakes on pancake day, buying Easter eggs, crossing their fingers for good luck, or singing the UK national anthem (God save the queen) or wearing something with a flag on (at George's cross) for the world cup, they wouldn't think of this as religious or even particularly cultural because it's the normalised majority culture here. But I've had some friends be confused about me doing things I see as similar when I am mostly secular.
If you want blind date with a book, you can also check if your library does it as well! I’m a librarian and we do it the whole month of February
Oh nice! Will ask :)
Manchester Waterstones does this but it does seem to be mainly YA.
I totally feel you on the sibling age gap concern! I wanted 2 years, maybe 3 max, but had trouble conceiving as well. I'll spare the details, but there are now 4 years and 2 months separating my children, and it's actually amazing. They get along so well, playing independently, the little one has learned so many things so much faster by imitating her brother, I wouldn't have it any other way. I know that's not incredibly helpful to say to someone desperately wishing for that second baby, but it will happen in due time, and it will be the perfect timing for your kids and your family. After all, you never get a guarantee for your kids to get along, no matter how close together or far apart. They are headstrong little people! Wishing you the best of luck on your journey 🧡
I feel like it is harder to explain being Jewish, but only cultural, because Jews are a minority. Like, I am German, and Germany has many Christian traditions (and maybe not "Christian" foods, but food that is associated with Christian holidays). I am German, and my family has a Christian background, but my parents did not raise me Christian. We still celebrate Christmas, have traditions around Easter and Christmas (food, Christmas Markets, Christmas cookies, Advent calendars, the list goes on. Even not working on Sundays is a "Christian tradition"). And I think no one was ever confused about that, because so many people have the same traditions, without being religious. We just don't necessarily recognize them as having their roots in religion, because it is seen as the norm to do these kinds of things.
Yes 100%%%^ so much cultural stuff is based in religion but we don’t name it when it’s Christianity
You could ask some survey questions on friendship/community. E.g. how many close friends do you have, what do you consider a close friend, how satisfied do you feel with your social life, how many days of the week do you see someone that you don’t live/work with? Etc 😊
I'd love a section on where people are finding friends as adults / where their community socializing is happening
Also where do peoples friends live! Like, how many close friends do you have in your immediate city/neighborhood versus more long distance.
I am loving re-watching all of your slow fashion videos. I love how colorful your style is and seeing how you put things together. Any thrifting you do would be interesting as well.
I love any time you talk about being Jewish because I feel exactly the same way you do about it, and it’s nice to hear another person with a similar perspective. I have 11 month old twin boys and my husband is a former Christian turned atheist. I’m also only connected to my Judaism for the traditions and the family bit of it and am trying to work out how to raise my sons Jewish while only being Jew-ish. So anyway, I very much appreciate that bit of your content and happy Hanukkah!
Happy Chanukah!!
42:06 I know it’s really tough when things don’t work out how you’d always planned/imagined; but if it makes you feel any better, my partner is 10 years older than his sister and they are closer than any other siblings I know. Despite the gap they are absolutely best friends.
Really hope everything works out 💖💖
As a Dutch person, I loved the analogy. I've had some study friends from India who explained their secular Hindu festivities, which sounds very similar.
I am of Dutch decent, and I can definitely relate to the Dutch traditions and foods being passed down. They can pop up in the strangest ways 😂
Very excited for the reading, home reno and budgeting content for next year!!
I remember reading or listening in one of your videos about the age gap thing. As someone with a 4-year age gap between me (big sister) and my little brother, I can tell you that that kind of age gap felt 100% normal to me growing up, to the point where I didn't know people considered it a larger than average gap. Being 4 years old and having a baby brother to coddle was like a dream come true for me. My parents said I was obsessed with him the moment he came out and I would put him in dolls baskets etc etc. As we grew up, I don't recall the 4 years ever being a deterrent to us doing things together. With our family being from Poland, we would get sent there for summer holidays to be with my grandparents. And my brother was my best friend and favourite person throughout those years and we did EVERYTHING together. Even now as a 31 year old, I look at my 27 year old brother as my baby brother and I've never felt our age difference once. I obviously can't speak to my parents experience, but I can see from photo or video evidence, that it must have been helpful for them to have a reception-age child when they had their second kid. As my brother got older and was mobile, I was 6 or 7, at which point I was able to actually be helpful if needed, like help my brother into a coat or help him with his shoes. My mum mostly parented us alone, so while I'm not saying it's an eldest child's role to help out, it's at least useful to have one child who is capable of being more independent when you have a younger one to deal with. I'm sure there are people out there who had different experiences with the same age gap as me and my brother have, but for us it really is wonderful and magical relationship for most of our lives and any issues we had stemmed more from personality issues than any kind of age difference.
don’t know if anyone’s already commented on this but the donuts aren’t just a your family thing - sufganiyah are a tradition Hanukkah food!
Always exciting to see Jewish content in Vlognukkah! I remember just before you were pregnant with Rowan there was a conversation following a newsletter you sent out about the book Jews Don't Count. I'd be really curious to hear any reflections on that piece a few years on, and now as a parent how you're thinking about talking about antisemitism with Rowan. Thanks for these great videos in a content-quiet time of year!
If you did a census, I would LOVE to know about everyone's jobs and financial situations. I myself an educated but unemployed and struggling to get a job, and I feel like a lot of people my age are struggling with the same thing
I love the name Rowan, but I also find all those English tree/flower names so funny because in my native language German they are often "speaking" compounds, for example rowan literally translates to 'bird-berry' (Vogelbeere). And it just sounds so different because names usually don't have an immediately graspable meaning, but floral names like Rowan 'bird-berry', Holly 'jab-palmtree' (Stechpalme) or Daisy 'little goose-flower' (Gänseblümchen) very much do in German :D
For any readers - being Jewish is an ethnoreligion. So like being english, or french, or iraqi is an ethnicity, being jewish is an ethnicity too. There are many different Jewish ethnic groups.
Hannah mentions she is German Jewish, my husband is Ashkenazi Jewish with routes from Lithuania and Poland. But I have friends who are ethnically Ethiopian Jewish and also Yemeni Jewish to name a few!
Additionally, because its a religion you can also have people like myself who are not ethnically Jewish, but have converted and become religiously Jewish.
Because of the concept of Jewishness being an ethnoreligion, people may view conversion as naturalisation and joining a nation!
Those are just my thoughts as a convert to Judaism who is also a person of colour!
Does your husband condemn lsraeI's evil or are you part of that eviI?
My family are Ashkenazi Jews too! From Germany and Lithuania that I am aware of!
Wicked is amazing film I cannot wait for part 2! What a great cast to couldn’t fault it whatsoever 🙌
Happy New Year to you and family Hannah! 🎉 bring on 2025
Keeping my fingers crossed for you with your TTC journey ❤️ xx
I'd like to see the friends styling you/you styling friends and you wearing outfits that are not your usual style. I think that would be quite fun! You could be Goth Hannah, Vintage Hannah, Punk Hannah... idk, maybe I'm just an overgrown kid but throwing on a costume still sounds fun to me.
And the book video ideas! Just any of them. I'd love to see more book content from you if you're interested in making it.
Get Jessica Kellgren Fozard to style you vintage and talk about life!
I saw another comment on liking the questionaire thingy on insta and me too! General demographics, jobs, location and lifestyly things would be fun!
Really hope that the metformin keeps making your cycles shorter!! Insane how much more oppurtunities that could give you per year! Fingers crossed!!
Love all the colab and fashion ideas! Really like the content I have seen with other youtubers with styling and wardrobe challenges.
Being styled by Leana in particular sounds like a very fun video.
I appreciate you so much talking about ur journey and thanks so much hannah 🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎🕎
Doughnuts are definitely a Chanukah thing! In Hebrew, they're called sufganiyot 😁 (so happy, because I generally love doughnuts. Haha)
This came just as I was about to go on a dog walk, thoroughly pleased! 🙌 love your videos Hannah, all the best for you and your family always!
Hi Hannah - love your content, I watch a lot but never comment 🙈 just to send love re ttc. It took longer than planned for both my first and second time round due to my cycles. We started trying when my first born was 8 months and finally we welcomed his brother just after his 4th birthday. I remember feeling that pressure you described, hoping for a certain age gap and seeing others around me get pregnant easily. It’s tough and can be lonely. The 4 year age gap wasn’t planned but has been absolutely perfect for us. I hope this year is good to you! Cheers for keeping me company during my house work ❤
As an Irish person whose parents are atheists but who was pretty much raised by a very Roman Catholic grandmother I understand the idea of being connected culturally but not in a religious way to a religion.
Especially because of the British colonization of Ireland and how Irish people were discriminated against for being catholic I see it as really important to not abandon that part of myself.
Like even though I don't remotely believe in her I go to a shrine of the virgin mary whenever I need to clear my head, I think the more agonistic our society becomes the more we need to learn how to incorporate into our lives aspects of religion we don't want to forget!
I absolutely adore your videos! Would love more book content if you'd ever be up to making it!
Would love a veganuary challenge- maybe going vegan for the week. Always love seeing peoples experience of trying new recipes etc
Jessica Kellgren-Fozard did a video where her little son styled her! He is very stylish himself so I don't know if Rowan would be up for it but that's an option. And a husband styling video is always a good idea!
Productivity deep dives please!!
2025 bingo would be fun! Me and my friends made them last night. We each came up with 24 things we want to do in 2025 (ie new walk somewhere in our country, going to a new restaurant, decorating my work from home office, submitting the next article for my PhD, Efteling is actually on our bingo cards haha). As a more fun, less "punishing" alternative to new year's resolution. We had such a good time coming up with the 24 things and decorating our bingo cards😊
Love the reading recs from your followers ideas & chats on productivity/planning!
I would LOVE a video/list of some of the most impactful/meaningful/important books to you across different genres!
Omg I would love to see people like Lucy and Leena style you 😍
The bookshop in Battersea Power Station does those wrapped up books. Also it's independent despite looking like a waterstones. They seemed quite offended when I tried to scan my app... oops!
big yes to any fashion/styling/decorating vids!! tbh though just like hanging out with you so I’ll be here regardless!
You could do more coaching videos too! Like for instance what the hell is it? And if I had x problem, what would a coach do to walk me through it? (You could even do as opposed to a therapist or a friend or a spouse) It’s a fascinating world and I know nothing about it.
love all of these new video ideas. it makes me excited for your content in 2025!
Wishing you all the best for your TTC journey! 🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵🩵
What I spend in a week, I'd like that video!
Hi Hannah!! I’d love to keep up with your current TTC journey as long as you’re willing to share. My husband and I are in the same boat and I love hearing as many perspectives/ experiences as possible 🩷 best of luck with baby #2!
oh my gosh quality couple bonding time doing lego sets is the best, isn't it!! the rivendell set is the dream. weve been working on the office set this year11
I think your Taylor Swift analogy about analyzing her songs like poems is spot on (especially as a former English major). I think the ability to interpret her lyrics (and the encouragement to look for symbols, Easter eggs, real-life references, etc.) is part of what makes her music so popular/engaging.
I can't remember if it's something you've already done bc I know you've worked together before, but re collabs/working with other people & fashion videos for next year: I'd personally love if you and Jessica Kellgren-Fozard worked together again for a vintage clothing video of some kind?? As a fan of both of you, I love when you're in the same video 😂🥰
Hannah using YNAB makes me so happy as I am literally reconciling right now lol. I'm a YNAB nerd so I hope you make that video!!
That LEGO set looks MAJESTIC ✨ Have fun building it (unless you've already finished, since it's pre-filmed 😅).
I loved Efteling, it has much more character than Disney and isn't so crowded.
I feel connected to my Russian heritage when I have Eastern Orthodox paraphernalia. My mom visited Kazakhstan recently and she got me a bunch of Eastern Orthodox stuff. My mom would have a bunch of that stuff around the house so to me it’s just something connected to my family and something that is comforting. I don’t have any connection to god and I’m pretty much atheist but I enjoy having Eastern Orthodox stuff to keep close to my Russian heritage and my Russian mother as an American.
I somewhat practice but I got lucky with an unusually well studied parish. (Ironically this usually results in parish that is very heavily practicing and religiously traditional but more socially liberal/aware because well…they actually read the book and chose to follow it.) Anyway 2 suggestions: ice cream/treats on feast days. Also Father Arseny: A Cloud of Witnesses is a fabulous read. It discusses his work in the gulags but isn’t preachy. It really helped me better appreciate and connect with family and friends who lived under communism.
The Shabbat geared toward younger kids you mentioned? In some of the synagogues in my area (New Jersey, USA) they call those "Tot Shabbat"
Your hair looks exxtra pretty in this video!
Love lots of your video ideas! Would also like a games recommendations video for games parents can play. Maybe ones that are easy to start and stop or can fit into an evening after you've put the kids to bed 😅
Love all your fashion videos
The second I heard about the 40 by 40 list I went and started a 30 by 30 list! I'm 25, going on 26 in April and I definitely feel like I've missed out on a lot and don't get to do a lot of 20 something year old things, the 30 by 30 list is a great way to figure out what I want to do!
I like the 2025 Bingo Card idea. Still goals or ambitions for the year but not as stressful if you don’t do them all. Just need to get some done to make a bingo
Take the Caledonian sleeper all the way to the last stop in Fort William and visit The Highland Bookshop, they have a blind date with a book section!
My daughter turns 3 in the Spring and we’ve been trying for our second for nearly a year and a half (took 12 months last time). I very much relate to you and your ttc journey. Hopefully 2025 will be both of our years for getting pregnant.
Doughnuts for Chanukah is deffo a big tradition - not just your family 🎉🍩🤩
The parenting, home and food ideas sound most interesting to me but I watch of them. Health, ttc, and sit down chats are intersting too.
Totally up to you but one thing I do to preserve my religious heritage (not Jewish) though I’m not always comfortable with all things related to my religion (Eastern Orthodox Christian) is to intentionally give to charity that I find important and tie into a holy day. Ex for days related to the Theotokus (Virgin Mary) we pick out a board game to donate to the children’s hospital because the children’s hospital cares for pregnant women and sick children which is associated with the Theotokus culturally but the hospital doesn’t get overally involved in political movements. I got this tradition from my mom who always made a point to take us shopping to get gifts for the local group homes for children in foster care who are waiting to be placed with a family.
For blind date with a book, there’s book shops on upper st and in Crouch End that do the wrapping paper books
Yaaay a long Q&A!
I’m not Jewish, but I’ve lived in quite Jewish neighbourhoods in two cities in two countries, and it looks like donuts at Hannukah are definitely a thing, and not just for your family. (Anyone who is actually Jewish is free to correct me.)
Hannah, you mentioned National Theatre and NT Live, I’m a brand ambassador for the NTLive program!! I know these are filmed like a month in advance but if you still haven’t got an in with them yet let me know and I can try and introduce you with my contact. Their next PR invite is coming up in a couple of weeks and it’s an exciting one 👀👀
My kids are 3.5 years apart and best friends! (They are 12 and 8.5 now). I grew up in a family where I had a 12 year age gap from my sister and 13 months with my brother lol… and there’s pros/cons to all the gaps. Personally, I loved that my first was potty trained and mostly out of the tantrum phase when my second came.
I’d love to see a video about the budgeting app you use
As a fellow mum who was pregnant around the time you were and was also horribly sick (I had hyperemesis and your vlogs helped me feel less alone) - how do you approach the thought of sickness second time around? Both as a difficult thing to experience yourself, but as someone who also needs to work, and parent this time around? I find it far too frightening myself.
15:10 it makes sense! it makes sense!
im going on the sleeper from london to scotland this spring! it's SO expensive but i CANNOT wait! I will update how it goes haha
As an atheist/ other culture family, how are you handling the whole Father Christmas and Christmas tree things with Rowan?
My family is also an 'other' household but we're not sure how we're going to handle it when we have kids. We don't want our kids to feel left out or deprived but we also don't really want to do traditions just for the sake of it.
Oof, my sister converted to Judaism about a decade ago and is raising a daughter who just started kindergarten at a Hebrew day school, they observe a lot of the religious traditions/restrictions and she was heavily involved with PJ library at the Jewish community center, like family programming and fundraising and when things in Israel ramped up last year she was organizing kids making cards to send to IDF soldiers for keeping them safe…on the east coast of the US. The Zionism in that particular sect really got to her and it was part of a big rift in our relationship. She literally wanted me to post pro Israel content online in support of her and if I didn’t I was antisemitic. Truly so wild to see a family member drink the koolaid to that extent. Glad you included your PJ Library experience and the additional note added after looking into it more. I really appreciate your content, I don’t usually comment but it was nice to have a space to acknowledge that organization’s intent. I respect your intent in responsibly introducing your kiddo to Judaism 💛
I would look at children’s book lists from the Jewish book council!
I'm happy to hear your TTC journey! I'm a fellow lean PCOS girl with a baby/toddler who does not sleep. I'm glad metformin is working for you. Have you looked into an inositol supplement? It was the main thing that worked for me. I'm also going to start taking vitex once I wean
Thank you for speaking out about Palestine ❤❤ and as for videos, i watch everything you put out, i watch for you!
I would love a video about how you use YNAB I’m a big YNAB nerd and love to see how others use it!
Yes, do Blind Date with a Book. But buy it from a good bookshop, not Etsy or similar, where people sometimes offload old junk, and are not so accurate.
The other day I saw my local library has a shelf of Blind Date books. The computers at the public libraries here can scan to self-checkout through the wrapper, so you can wait until you arrive home to see what you got.
Better yet, have a couple of good friends choose the books for you.
I would love a video about YNAB!
I love liver pate! It's also amazing for TTC, liver is extremely nutritious, has exactly the nutrients needed for increasing fertility. Maybe ask your mom to make it more often for you!
Sufganiyot! Jelly donuts for Chanukah
When I saw you mentioning age gaps between children it really got me thinking how different it is for everyone. Because I'm 28 and my sister is 4,5 years younger than me. And when I was in elementary school that 4-6 year gap seemed most common among me and my peers. Now I see plenty people have kids closer together and I wonder if that's because people start having kids later, hence a smaller window to have them overall or why that is. I suppose your own age difference with your sibling also determines what you see as the standard. I have no kids and currently no desire to have them, but I also assume having 2 kids under 3 or even 4 seems super difficult. Though here most kids go to pre-school at age 3 as the standard parental leave is 3 years, which could also play a role in everything.
In the end it's up to what the parents want, it just surprised me to see in your newsletter that you thought 5 years is a big gap when for me it was standard and bit gap was like 10+ years.
As a mum to an almost 2 year old I have put a lot of thought into age gaps especially as everyone in my social circle who had kids after me have already had their second, now my friend group is only in their mid 20s. One factor to also consider in most countries is that if a parent is scaling back or pausing their career in that season a longer age gap can mean even more time out of the workforce. Personally emotionally I feel ready for another already but am holding off so for the next 4 years in order to focus on work more so my husband can complete a degree and allow us to better support our family, but I am only 25 so feel more comfortable making that decision than someone 10 years older than me. But it 100% comes down to everyone is different as you said. It is just something I have thought about a little too in depth.
so keen on a book blind date video!!!!
Dr. Justin Sledge from the channel ESOTERICA has really made me understand both Jewish and Christian histories so much better. Much recommended for those interested in the history of abrahamic religions
I'm very happy to hear that there are good resources for culturally Jewish families that are not zionist propaganda.
I grew up celebrating Hanukkah with my grandmother, playing dreidel and eating soooo many latkes and matzo ball soup. The funny thing is we went to Baptist church so did Advent as well But ALSO celebrated kings day and would go to Christmas Mass lmfao.
There can also be resources for religious jewish families that are not Zionist propaganda (however you personally define that)
The religion and ethnicity itself is not connected to Zionism or the state of Israel in its current form. You can learn about the religion and Israel (apart from historical places obviously) won't come up once
Oh no the census! 😢
In sweden we have a flatbread that verry simular to matzah. Specilly if look how we used to make it before. A barley bread that have some weat in it today and maybe some rye nowdays. Atleast in north sweden it's eaten and even made into meals with soak it in not sonjewish porkbuljong and thats blöta. Or with milk. Milk kan ve used cold or hot and we then crush the bread. Pour milk over and eat with jam. That smålanedi.
I like the painting. London Underground map?
It’s Westeros but in the style of the tube!
@@morehannah Ha, ha, maybe you can get a bus route map from Västerås, the actual Swedish town 🙂
I don’t understand how people don’t get the difference between religion and culture tbh. We’re living in the most secular age known to man and fewer and fewer people actively participate in religious practices, especially in the christian world, but our whole culture is still steeped in traditions that have religious origins- just think of the xmas holidays! Religion and culture overlap a lot, but something becomes religious if you actually believe in god and actively practice your traditions with the intent of honouring the god of your choice. I’m sure it slightly differs from religion to religion and culture to culture but it doesn’t seem like such a hard concept to grasp.
My GP also recommended the supplements ‘DIM’ and ‘Myo and D chiro inositol’ for my pcos while TTC! Could be something to consider/ask your GP about to help support your journey! I was TTC for 2 years with my first. It’s tough, sending you all the good baby vibes ❤
About analyzing the TS lyrics; check out the 'Let's ask Taylor Swift' podcast. You may have listened to a previous podcast from the host (Should I Quit)
Ooooh didn’t know about this podcast but love should I quit!
@@morehannahit's new 😊
Hello! Love all your content! If you are up for video ideas, I would love a chance to ask my burning questions about British culture (being an American). For example, what you call a jumper, I call a sweater. Do you have something called a sweater? If so, how is it different from a jumper? Not earth shattering, but these kinds of questions live rent free in my brain, and I would love to have someone to ask. Also, I would love to go to London some day, but travel is pricey. So, I love vlogs when you are out and about showing yourself exploring London. Allows this American to live vicariously and escape daily life for a minute. ❤
A jumper is typically knitted, we have sweatshirts which are similar but not made of wool, they’re more sporty so you would wear them with joggers.
YNAB!!!
I think it can be hard for atheist people to grasp the concept of "culturally jewish", especially in "the West", because their is not such thing as "culturally christian". Yes, atheists people celebrate Christmas or Easter, but they don't defined themselves as "chrisitians", because Christianity is, for most people, only religious.
I think most of the people I know in practice are culturally Christian but it’s just not named as such. Celebrate Easter? Christmas? Just for the food, presents, family and songs? Sounds culturally Christian to me 😅
@@morehannah Another way of expressing it would be to say that religious practices and cultural practices are less intertwined among atheists of Christian culture. For example, in an older video, you said that you liked the idea of hanging a mezuzah on the lintel of your house. It's an object that has a religious character (it contains verses 6:4-9 and 11:13-21 of Deuteronomy), but which you see more as a cultural object. Well, it wouldn't occur to any atheist celebrating Christmas to hang a cross on the lintel of their house xD
@@morehannahWhat I mean is religious things and cultural things are less intertwined in Christianity. For example you once said you like the idea of having a mezuzah on your lintel, you see it as a cultural and not a religious object. No atheist of christian culture would put a cross on their lintel. XD
BUT maybe I think that way because I'm French and there is less christian aesthetic around Christmas and Easter than in the UK (particularly Christmas). And we are a bit strict about the religious vs cultural thing 😂😂
@@morehannahor the amount of people that get their children christened but aren’t religious, mainly to bring the family together/family tradition or to get into certain schools 😂
Would love to hear what you think of the film Babygirl
I would love to hear about freelance tips
my cycle was crazy after having my baby, and taking Vitex/Agnus Castus for a few months really helped my ovulation getting back on track:)
ha, i lived above a Hasidic family with 6 kids for a while, and on Shabbat they let the kids stay up and run wild until like, 2am, fri and sat, every week. 😑 i know because my whole house shook. adult shabbat WAS kids shabbat. it was worse than living in a student house - never thought an orthodox community could party so much lol.