Adding the 8 powers to Tui Shou
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- In this video from the combat module of the Tai Chi Academy, Coach Chris explains how we can add depth to our Tui Shou with the right focus.
In this work we can train to add the 8 Powers, even in the most simple Pushing hands circles.
Give this method a try and see how it works for you.
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Very well explained, thank you.
Thank you :)
How about respon punch striking , is use the agility of stick hand too ? Because i ever learn one of style pencak silat use stick hand to respon the punch strike
If someone is good at punching, a MuayThai or Western boxing adept, it will be VERY hard to stick to the punch. You would have to move to 'clinch' range, which both styles also have, and work from there.... and pray they dont punch you unconscious on the way in. This video is not fighting though, this is adding specific skills to a training method called TuiShou.
Peng, Lu, Ji, An are just different directions of the neijin, which is called "peng jin" in Taijiquan. In fact, it is written that peng jin, lu jin, ji jin, and an-jin are all examples of peng jin (confusing to outsiders, but that's what the call the elemental jin force: "peng". "An" is a down-directed force vector applied to the opponent, BTW.
Thanks.
I would agree that Peng permeates all of Tai chi, it could be described as the 'structural' aspect of the body method. So, yes, it follows that all of the Bamen contain Peng to a greater or lesser degree. Our thoughts would diverge on the Bamen being simple delineations of Peng by direction of action in the opponent.
@@thetaichiacademy6079 Well, Peng, Lu, Ji, An are considered to be the basic 4 directions of jin. "Jin" is a force vector that is traditionally described as "the physical manifestation of qi". The four jins are often diagrammed as Up, Away from the body, Down, and Toward the body (i.e., Peng, Ji, An, Lu, respectively). That's why there is the old saying about the "square in the circle" or "you only cross the threshold into Taijiquan when you understand the square in the circle" (meaning the four jin directions). Cai, Lieh, Jou, Kao are actually just usages of the Four Directions of Jin, BTW: for instance, "Cai" is sometimes called "Da Lu" since it is just a usage of the Lu-jin.
Thank you for the details. Yes I have heard this, and of course agree. However, in my opinion we can take this further, past direction.
In my experience there are 2 sides to each of the 8, the 'aspect' and the direction. Peng as an example has the aspect of 'Structure/expand' and the direction of 'up/out'. Lu conversely has the Aspect of 'absence/Hollow' the direction of down/around. The direction is a result of the internal aspect.
The training to achieve the 'aspect' for each is unique, but all framed within the maintenance of the essential qualities of neijin. To train to 'hollow' is different than the training to 'expand'. This is the way I use the Bamen and, the way I have found most useful for exchanging with partners/opponents and students. thank you.
@@thetaichiacademy6079 "Expand" is really just Open, and it gets its power from the solidity of the ground (which in turn is an aspect of gravity, if you know your physics). I'm not sure how you would define "absence/Hollow", but in reality the idea is to "Contract", the opposite extreme/pole from "Expand". Contractile forces (along the Yin channels) derive their power from the force of weight from the pull of gravity. So without gravity, you really don't have either the expanding force or the contractile force (Lu and Ji are considered to be more or less cosine vectors of Up/Peng and Down/An). Since all of these 4 forces/jins are dependent upon gravity, the traditional Chinese allowed that Man's Qi was supplemented by the "Qi of Earth", or gravity. Man's personal qi is also supplemented by the "Qi of Heaven", so there is the old saying about "Heaven, Man, Earth". In other words, there is a continuous whole of logic ... it's not just a few standalone buzz-phrases.
So, all I was trying to say was that push-hands is about the practice of moving using the 4 basic directions of Jin. The problem for most westerners, though, is that they try to learn push-hands first, so they imbue their push-hands with the wrong type of movement and they miss the whole point.
@@BobJohnson992 Once again, I agree with much or all of what you say. There is more agreement here than otherwise :)
I think there is always a problem for me commenting how 'Westerners" approach a subject. In my opinion Tai chi does not exist outside of the individual practicing it, there is no geographical relevance, only the practice. It is simply a training method although one that I value dearly. I fully understand how at odds this is to many who are tasked with maintaining a tradition or who are drawn to the tradition for the traditions sake, which is also fine. It is simply not my approach and I do not believe that it brings anything to the table in terms of actual practice or skill development.
Push hands should come when the student is ready for it, and should be used as a template training tool which can be played with, adapted, changed and moulded towards the goals of a certain moment in the students journey. It is not a stagnant or 'fixed' method which is strict in its practice. For those whom it is, it is dead.
I agree, expand is open, Hollow is contract. etc. gravity and ground reaction and our interaction with these forces is the basis of the Heaven Man Earth model in what i personally teach and what i have seen from a number of excellent teachers. The effect of gravity and GRF have concrete and direct consequence for the 4 primary powers and their direction. An understanding of this interplay, and why these 'Heaven & Earth' ideas are so important in our bodies, for the various tissues, for our harmonies, our connections and our movements is a cornerstone of good Tai Chi.
My supposition is that the 'quality' of each of these powers is distinguished not by direction. The 'Feeling' of Peng when interacting with a partner is different to the 'Feeling' of Lu, etc. This feeling is the result of the aspect that is trained in the nei gong. Could we apply Ji on any angle for instance? yes in my opinion, Could we apply Lu up? also yes.
None of this is in opposition to your comments and very well received, highly experienced thoughts on the subject, and I appreciate your taking the time to comment on my video.
respects.
perfect
very nice
Namnaste 🙏 Great quality upload! New friend here, let stay connected ^____^
Youre in the beginning. But I can see your training is the honest way. You're not a faker. You know Sam Tam?
Thank you, No I do not know Sam Tam. I have seen some videos of him many years ago. Thanks.
come on Mike Sigman, instead of juggling with concepts, show us some examples and practical usage.
Please do not refer to your very old videos (which i got decades ago).
Show us what you have learnt in the meantime!