Catherine of Valois: Life and Afterlife
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Images (from Wikimedia Commons, unless otherwise stated):
Miniature from Froissart's Chronicles, showing entertainers and acrobats at Isabeau's coronation (c.1470-75). Held by the Bibliotheque Nationale de France.
Madness of Charles VI: crossing the forest of Le Mans on an expedition against Pierre de Craon, the king, brandishing a sword, mistakes the members of his retinue for enemies and attacks them (15th century). (BNF, FR 2646) Jean Froissart, Chronicles fol. 153v. Held by the Bibliotheque Nationale de France.
Portrait of King Henry IV by an unknown artist (1597-1618). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of King Henry V by an unknown artist (late 16th or early 17th century). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Detail of a miniature of Richard II, king of England (1377-1399), receiving his bride, the princess Isabel, from her father, Charles VI, king of France: Jean Froissart, Chroniques, Netherlands (Bruges), c. 1480-1494, Royal MS 14 D VI, f. 268v. Held by the British Library.
James William Edmund Doyle, "Henry V" in A Chronicle of England: B.C. 55 - A.D. 1485, London: (1864) Longman, Green, Longman, Roberts & Green, pp. p. 373.
Blank administrative map of France for geo-location purpose, with regions and departements distinguished. Approximate scale : 1:3,000,000
Minature showing the Battle of Agincourt from Enguerrand de Monstrelet Chronicle. Reproduced in Antoine Leduc, Sylvie Leluc et Olivier Renaudeau (dir.), D'Azincourt à Marignan. Chevaliers et bombardes, 1415-1515, Paris, Gallimard / Musée de l'armée, 2015, p. 18-19, ISBN 978-2-07-014949-0
Siege of Rouen (1418-1419). Miniature from the manuscript of Martial d'Auvergne, Les Vigiles de Charles VII, vers 1484, BnF, Manuscrit Français 5054, folio 19 verso.
Screenshots of William Shakespeare’s Henry V in the First Folio (Bodlien) from firstfolio.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/...
Ratification of the Treaty of Troyes on 21st May 1420. Held by the Archives Nationales, France; AE/III/254.
Marriage of Henry V of England to Catherine of Valois British Library, Miniature of the marriage of Henry V and Catharine de Valois: Jean Chartier, Chronique de Charles VII, France (Calais), 1490, and England, before 1494, Royal 20 E. vi, f. 9v.
Illustration of the wedding of Catherine of Valois and Henry V by the Caxton Master, from "The Beauchamp Pageants” (15th century). Held by the British Library.
Map showing counties of England.
Accession of Henry VI. He is shown at the age of nine months being placed in the care of Richard de Beauchamp, 13th Earl of Warwick, by an unknown artist (1422). Scanned from Alan Parker, Kings and Queens of England.
Edmund Beaufort, Duke of Somerset negotiating with envoys at Rouen during the Hundred Years' War. Illuminated miniature from the Chronique of Jean Chartier of Bruges (c.1470-79). Held by the Bibliothèque nationale de France.
Portrait of King Henry VII by an unknown Netherlandish artist (1505). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Quoted texts:
Michael Jones, ODNB entry on Catherine of Valois.
Historical Dictionary of Late Medieval England, 1272-1485.
Samuel Pepys diary entry for 23rd February 1669.
Also consulted, were:
Tracy Adams and Glenn Rechtschaffen, “Reputation of the Queen and Public Opinion: The Case of Isabeau of Bavaria”
Other relevant entries from The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography Online.
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It is always good to hear about the background and ancestry of Middle Ages monarchs.
Catherine’s life is so interesting, but it is horrible how she was not able to rest after her death.
I share these with my Mom weekly and we both adore them. I have a feeling she is going to really enjoy this one. Thank you Dr. Kat for allowing me to share a great 30-60 minutes with my Mom.
Thanks for another fascinating Friday. Had never connected the mental illness dots between Charles VI of France and Henry VI....Yeah, and you can always rely on Pepys to keep things interesting!👑
I have wondered about that for years. As you may know, it is dangerous to diagnose illness from so long ago, but the similarities are so very striking, and only one generation removed.ff
So glad you did this video! I always think of her as the grandmother of the Tudor dynasty. I literally live for Friday afternoons because of your videos! You rock Dr Kat!
She was! Through Henry VII and Elizabeth of York’s daughter Margaret, the current monarchy is descended.
Every time - EVERY TIME - you blow me away. I always learn something and I always want more! ❤
In Kenneth Branaugh's Henry V, Catherine is played by Emma Thompson, then his wife.
Thanks for a clear and concise canter through the life of Catherine. And best of all, a quotation from my very favourite 17th century writer, the glorious Samuel. What a man.
Catherine de Valois played the long game, breeding against France's enemies the Plantagenets. She was the mother of Henry VI, the mental weakling who was the end of the Hundred Years War and, thus, of the House of Lancaster. She was then the grandmother of Henry VII, who finished off the House of York. England never recovered her French prizes.
When you mentioned a diarist in the beginning, I was thinking, "Wait, could it be 'Naughty Sammy'?" But then I saw the dates & no, of course not... only to have him appear after all. 🤣
Her life was rather interesting. I hope she managed to find some happiness in all of that.
Another fabulous video, you can do nothing poorly, Dr. Kat, your brilliance always shows through!❤
I second this!
Why would anybody just go and kiss a corpse for a birthday present?? It's wild and disturbing. Poor woman 👸🏼
This. 👄 💀 I was literally saying, “Ew ew ew EW!” aloud as she read that quote. 👸 or 🚫👸 that’s 🤢.
When you mentioned a diarist at the beginning, I though of Samuel Pepys, then immediately dismissed the thought, as he lived in a much later time. Oh, my goodness, what a surprise to learn that the had actually kissed Catherine's remains -- and a surprise to learn the her remains had been viewed by the public for all that time!
Thank you for your excellent history lessons. I have enjoyed all that I have (so far) heard. 🙏🏼
Interesting life she lived. I become very thankful for the time and place I live in when I think of the restrictions she was subject to as a Dowager Queen (and restrictions for women in general in her lifetime). 👸🏰
I have only just discovered these wonderful videos- hooked already! Just wondered if Dr Kat might like to comment on the story that Catherine de Valois either saw Owain swimming naked in a river as she was crossing a bridge or that he fell into her lap whilst dancing? Also, it is rather amusing to consider that we name Owain's descendants by using his grandfather'n name Tudur (English Tudor) rather than the name of his father Maredudd (English Meredith). The Royal House of Meredith doesn't have quite the same ring to it, does it?
Yeah, the “Meredith rose” doesn’t have quite the same ring to it. 😀
know so much more about this remarkable woman now than i did 30mins ago
I really enjoyed this talk. This is a great story by any standards and youve got to admit,it has a definite Mills & Boon take to it. I learned this story from the Jean Plaidy novel covering it. Her books are really well researched and that author also had a knack of making the minor characters interesting too,all the Isabellas,and Joans,and Blanches.
I love that Catherine found a good man and went ahead. Poor little baby,ill starred child. Even a strong character like William the Conqueror or Louis the Sun King wouid have struggied with a start like that,and indeed they did,but being arrogant and bloody minded has always been a good survival technique. Ive always felt that poor Henry VI would have been so happy living a simple life in a village or maybe as a monk.
Yes, History Calling also suggests Henry might have been happier as a monk. She says fairly often that he was just not cut out for the brutal realities of medieval kingship.
We definitely need a Dr Kat’s video on Margaret Beaufort 👑👸🏻
Poor Catherine! She had a rough way to go before and after she died!😢😢
Your videos are amazingly informative and fun to listen to while I study.
Thank you so much, Dr. Kat.
Thank you, once again, for a very interesting video. This is such a fascinating time. Was Catherine also touched by psychiatric issues before she died? I think what surprised me the most was how young she was at the time of her death.
So many died young during those times, though. Girls would marry as teenagers and often die from complications of childbirth in their 20s. Making it to 30 was really doing something.
I had heard about the desecration of her body before but your discussion has helped me a great more to understand her role in history. My question is, did she finally come to love her first husband, and was her second marriage one in her mind, of protection from other factions that would do her harm? Her life must have seemed so precarious to her. A real pawn used by so many other people. Poor girl.
Small detail but this lighting is so refreshing in the sea of overly bright, washed out faces on YT. It’s just nice to see a normal looking person! Love the content as always Dr Kat ❤️
Lol'd at "So, for those of us keeping track, that does mean that through these marriage plans, Catherine's intended future father-in-law was the one who had deposed her elder sister's husband." Reminded me of the Duke of Wellington's comment from Young Victoria after King William IV berated the Duchess of Kent: "Families. Who'd be without them?"
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Another amazing video! I love the histories of the women of history you have done - so much suffering, even in death, these women have faced. Thank you again! 👑👑👑👑👑👑
Very interesting! I cannot help but see Kenneth Branaugh as Henry V and Emma Thompson as Catherine de Valois, and it's very nice to get more accurate information on the wooing and marriage aspects of their relationship. How terrified she must have been! Samuel Pepys proudly bragging about having kissed the desiccated corpse of Queen Catherine is rather disgusting - not the way you presented it, only his awkwardly worded description. I am certain Her Majesty would have given him a good sharp smack on the chops, had she been alive; I hope so, anyway.
100% about the Kenneth Branagh depiction of the play, and the scenes with Katherine.
That’s a wonderful movie, and the score is magnificent, one of the best movie soundtracks ever.
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leave it to Pepys to make things extra weird!!!
Thanks! This helped me understand how Henry VII was able to justify grabbing the throne. I can't find the emojis, sorry. I'd love to stick a queen in here somewhere.
I love how the portrait of Henry with his fingers curled makes it look like he’s typing something. Phillips Gregory fanfic? 😄
Catherine is my 15th great grandmother.
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I would be interested in an explanation why the Tudors fancied themselves in line for the throne. It seems rather unconclusive. And yet Jasper Tudor and Margerete Beaufort went to great lengths to put Henry VII on the throne.
Queen Catherine of Valois sounds like a hoot. And an interesting character in history.
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Was just sharing about “The King” yesterday. It was a surprising find for me a few years ago. Very lucky to have you here this morning with factual details. Thank you for the knowledge you drop for us. Such a Covid gift you are for me.
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Covid???
Yes! I discovered Dr. Kat early into lock-down and even saw her channel do a big blow up of subscribers. Sharing her research and knowledge from England is a gift to me.
You Tube kept me sane during quarantine, that’s for sure!
👸 there were a few things that I wasn't really knowledgeable about... The fact that she had to hide her marriage that I did not know... But I find this more fascinating because I am a descendant of King James, though I don't know which one I think it's Mary bolin... All the way up to the royalty now.. including King Charles and his children and strange enough princess Diana... So I find all of this quite interesting
I’ve often wondered if Catherine passed the genes for mental illness on to Henry VI. We don’t know if Edmund Tudor would have suffered from mental illness as he aged but obviously Jaspers Tudor didn’t. And neither did Henry VII, however he could have carried it as a recessive gene and handed it to Henry VIII. He may have had mental health problems in later life.
I’ve read about her a bit. She is fascinating, marrying for 💕. Thank you for all your wonderful content!❤❤❤
Henry V has always been my favorite Shakespeare play, so I loved this video!! 👸🫅🏻
Have you read Margaret Fraser's The Boys'Tale? It involves Edmund and Jasper.
I quite enjoyed this video about Catherine of Valois, thank you.👑
the madness of Charles VI, the king of glass, was transferred to his grandson, Henry VI,
through, I can only assume, Catherine of Valois and England, and perhaps through her second marriage,
reached into the Tudor dynasty to bad effect in Henry VIII, her great great (I think) grandson.
I love the consistency of the rhythm of your intro
It calms my soul
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Cathrines life is very interesting, I know you focuse largly on england but would you consider making a video about her mother Isabella?
I love learning little more with each person. ❤
This video was very interesting. I didn't know very much about Catherine of Valois. Sadly 😔 her remains were not treated very well.👸
Was lovely to hear all about this queen ❤
What a life! Catherine appears to have had little control over her fate for much of the time. I hope her relationship with Owen Tudor was genuine, and she was not wedded off to cover a liaison with Edmund Beaufort. As for Pepys, kissing a queen was not his finest, but also not his worst, act!
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Loved this. Can you do a video on Augustus, Duke of Sussex, the 6th son of George III, I am reading a bit about him in a book about Kensington Palace.
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Your French pronunciation is better than 95% of your fellow British, not to mention that of us Americans, which is generally even worse! We English speakers pretty much butcher the Romance tongues without extensive instruction in them. We’re exposed to a lot of Spanish here in California, but I have yet to hear a single British person pronounce a Spanish word correctly. On a video I saw the other day, the speaker pronounced the Spanish town of Frejus as Fray-Juice!
Frejus in Spain?????
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I do love ❤️ it when historical womfwn figure out how to control their own life and happiness. 🤴
I didn't know that Isabelle wife of Richard 2 was Catherine's sister, probably because I haven't read much about Richard or French history of the time in it's own right.
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A video about royal effigies would be interesting for Halloween. 👸
Thank you so much.
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He was a man of his time 👑 baby boy 🇬🇧
Great refresher course. I'd learned much of this; but forgot certain things. My brain isn't what it used to be.
Thanks for covering another woman!
I’ve heard the rumour that owen Tudor wasn’t the true father of Edmund Tudor, but he married Catherine to cover up the pregnancy of Catherine with Edmund Beaufort. Personally given that her “relationship” with Edmund seemed to have ended a couple years before Edmund tudors conception I think it’s just a rumour and probably not true.
The timeline of Catherine and Owen's relationship has always been unclear. There is even speculation about whether Owen and Catherine ever legally married. There were rumors that Edmund Beaufort, the Duke of Somerset was the lover of Margaret of Anjou, the wife of Henry VI. Some speculated Edmund was the biological father of Margaret's son.
I think it is not likely to be true but as a rumour it fits in with an elitist theory: 'surely a queen could not fall in love with a lowly squite so her real lover must be a man of royal blood' or somesuch
But queens were falling in love with low-ranking men all the time...@@myfanwyalexander1218
👸🏻🏰for the algorithm! Loved the video!
Loved your presentation
A "Queenie" emoji? Well,👑 would a diminutive little crown do? Catherine of Valois had almost as complex a life as Margaret Beaufort and that's going some. Some of these women, I don't know whether to think of them as miraculous survivors or damned to lose everyone they loved. There's one thing for certain, they were strong and stoic. It amazes me to hear how young they were when they died (Margaret Beaufort being a notable exception- she must have been made of cast iron) and how much they had accomplished in such a short life. We now think of 70 years old as an elder to be sure, but not aged. To the women especially, with the hazards of childbed, 70 was close to miraculous. I wish I knew more about Catherine of Valois and had met her to see what kind of woman she really was. That's the mystery of trying to understand the past; we don't really know these people. We can't necessarily judge them by their accomplishments or their longevity. There is so much room for fiction to take flight and for us to imagine, even aggrandize them and it's easy to get lost and lose sight of the fact that they were people just like us.
Cecile, Duchess of York lived to 80, and survived 14 bouts of childbirth! What a trooper!
Catching up on your channel again after an extended trip. Loved finding out about the queen that creepy Pepys did kiss.👸
Thank you Dr. Kat.
Fabulous as always! I would love to see a discussion with you and Dan Snow or Dan Jones.. or have fun dressing up with Lucy Worsley
This was Marvelous!👑👑👑
Dr. Kat!! I just learned on Cunk - which is hilarious and I was surprised to actually learn something - that the name "Tudor" was used as a derogatory name to the Tudors as it hearkened back to their podunk Welsh ancestor, and in fact, only Richard III used it. So....what surname did they use? Or did they not use a surname? I mean, surely, they weren't just known as Henry, Arthur, Mary, Elizabeth etc? Or maybe they were?
At this time Welsh surnames were patronyms, with 'ap' meaning 'son of' So Owain was Owain ap Meredudd ap Tudur in other words, Tudur was the first name of his grandfather. So there is nothing inherently derogatory about it but a name typical of a nation can be used as an insult, as in Taffy was a Welshman, Taffy was a thief, which is derived from an English mispronounciation of the Welsh name Dafydd. I'm not sure what options Owain had, except those two names and he is recorded in Catherine's household as Owen Meredith. However, Owen's grandfather Tudur (pronounced 'Tidder' not 'Tew-der', by the way) was a close relative of the famous Welsh leader ('rebel') Owain Glyndwr so it may be that people used that name rather than Meredith to underline how dodgy the family were.
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@@myfanwyalexander1218 Thank you. Very intresting to know 💕
Sounds like Catherine lived in far too interesting times. Pretty sad that both her father and her eldest child had psychiatric issues. 🏰 👑⚜🦁
Sam Pepys was a weirdo 🤢
Loved this one! 🥳❤️
Wonderful episode!! ❤
Great video Dr. Kat!
Fascinating and brilliant as always. Brava!! 👸
Enjoyed v much!
🍄 Thank you for your hard work!
Another fabulous video. Thank you 👸
I really enjoyed this! 🌟🌟🌟
Love your videos, I really enjoyed this subject thank you so much xxx
Loved the video!!!!👑
Love your videos Dr. Kat👸❤️
Missed the live - so sad
SAME!! I try to see it live every Friday but I missed it today. It's okay. We can try again next week. Have a groovy weekend and happy Friday, Fellow History Lover. ❤
Hope to make it next Friday - have to remember it's on Friday late morning on the East Coast of the USA
🤱Wish we had more of her personal thoughts and letters
❤️ this. Thank you.
Another fantastic video!👑
Another delightful video. Thanks. 👑
Queen❤❤❤❤ great video!
👑👑Thanks, as always fascinating.
Always enjoy your videos. They are very informative. ❤
Fascinating life. 👑
👑Great video.
Wonderful! 👑👑👑👑👑
Thank you for another great video.