I don't think people were under the impression that there's anything untoward happening with not directly paying your friends for the acting, the only thing is that it kind of adds a pretty big asterisk next to the notion of "here's how cheaply you can make a feature!". I think it would behoove these breakdowns just to recognize that most people don't have access to so many great actor friends who are both willing & able to spend the time collaborating for the fun of it, that's all. It's definitely nothing less than awesome & inspiring that you do have that circle and you're able to make these things together. Looking forward to watching!
I will say I don’t think this is as much as a limitation for people as they believe. When I was flat broke, I made my first feature for $200 in my podunk hometown with my friends and family and locals. My second feature had me and my friend making a movie in a town we’d never been to with a bunch of strangers. There are people everywhere itching to be creative and goof around on camera if you approach them with a genuine love for the act!
filmmaking using volunteers, specially non-commercial art projects, is fine. and even paying $200-$300 per day per actor for these small projects would not be a great obstacle for most filmmakers if properly planned. microbudget features can be done that way for under $5K - $10K. but if you want to work w/ people for free to improve your filmmaking and acting skills, that's also a legit way to go. art making is not regular work.
2 - also, even if cast and crew were paid, many of these small projects could be done for under $5K for cast and crew pay (non-commercial art project pay, not regular commercial rates) - several days of shooting, including some $s for the filmmaker. as mentioned above, lots of microbudget filmmakers do this already - making under $5K - under $10K - under $20K movies.
I’ve worked a lot in my local indie film scene, so many crew members and cast are willing to work for free as long as you provide food, and repay them the favor when they want to make something. Like you have to be friends for this to work most of the time, but this is how it works for pretty much every local filmmaker I’ve ever talked to
it's cool that you have turned off mid-roll ads for these, that makes a huge difference. One of my favourite bands (Beach House) for my favourite album (Once twice melody) have the full album on YT with lyric animations in one video with no ads in it, and I just think that's such a cool thing to do, really putting their art first. It's also cool that you're looking after your buddies and putting money (sensibly) into all of this. And thanks for sharing the break-downs of the costs! And thanks to the people who are in the Patreon, because I know that their generosity makes a lot of this work, and accessible for those of us who don't have the disposable income at the moment
Left a comment on the movie itself, but just wanted to spread the love to the side channel: this movie is amazing. You're a huge inspiration. And of course, getting this kind of insight into your process and gear helps us newbies learn a lot. Much love, man.
Viewer budget breakdown: Arizona KiwiStrab - $1.01 Half a bag of kettle cooked air fried potato chips with Himalayan sea salt - $2.50 (Note that i definitely splurged a little here, the average viewer could easily get by with the store brand or your typical lays but I wanted to minimize my grease intake so I did not get lethargic half way through.) Four recycled paper towels. - 10 cents So my grand total came to $3.61 which is pretty good for an hour and a half. Don’t let these numbers deter you though, one could definitely get away with much less. Maybe stick to water and a bag of microwaved pop corn or a jar of peanut butter and box of ritz you could make last for four movies if you don’t exceed one sleeve. Thank you for reading this and enjoy Joel’s film.
I watched the movie yesterday and I’m still thinking about it! I needa watch it again - it was EXCELLENT. Just??? Absolute artwork. The way it was put together, the performances, the pace, it was all outstanding 👌👌👌
I'd actually love a physically release of all 12 movies in one collection maybe, after all is said and done! I'd pay a ton for that, maybe consider it. Keep up the amazing work Joel, you're my favorite artist.
I was genuinely flabberghasted that you managed to do this in a month. It really held my attention, great pacing and great story. I really loved how it had all of these RUclips sketch actors all doing serious roles, they were fantastic! I must admit I was waiting for Sven to pop up and then I realised it was him wearing a mask. I also thought Trent was going to go full on Cohen Brothers and get up to some murder at the end. So much talent all-round. I hope you do more movies with all these folk, such great acting.
This movie was sooooo good. The more filming and editing I do the more I think about this movie. The outdoor shots with car were amazing, the club shots were amazing, Blake did an amazing job. What a great movie!
I had wondered before if you pay your friends while making these movies, but I always stopped to think about how when my friends want to work on something or whatnot, I'm just super excited to make stuff with them. Like yeah this is y'alls career and you gotta make money, but you also want to make art and have fun, that's what life's all about. Super awesome that you found this group of friends to create with and I'm always excited to see what everyone makes!
My fav part of this movie is when Blake was at the club and was talking about how it sucks to be so rich lmao it was funny but also filmed and edited really well
It's clear how much love you put into everything you make. I worked in the film industry from around 2011 until 2021 and the reason I left was because the lack of love in the big movies and television shows. It's so refreshing to see you busting down the doors with your pure passion for just making what you want to make and not expecting anything in return.
My Favorite movie you have made! I was going to suggest you could make a behind the scenes documentary for one of the movies you make this year as a way to buy yourself a little more time on the next one if needed and have that be one of the features. Blake's video answered my prayers a couple hours later lol!
I didn't really vibe with The Hero's Story, but Anyone Else But Me was captivating. I watched it all in one go without anticipating I would. You did such an incredible job, and all involved were great.
It would be cool to know how many days you spent filming on these projects if you'd be willing to disclose that. Really curious about your ideas about editing too. This is really concise and informative for filmmakers Joel, congrats on the film.
I've always wanted to know more about your creative process and the practical side of how you make your videos, so these breakdowns are incredible. Thanks so much for doing this!
I love these breakdowns Joel. Thanks for sharing the process and the details on all of these movies. I really love how you stand up against the bull crap and stale beliefs that people have towards making movies. It's so unnecessary and limiting.
I really liked that diner scene at the beginning. With all the bright highlights surrounding him I thought that was super neat. Super interesting where that set was. Keep them coming Joel
Loved the film and these breakdowns are so fascinating! I’d love to hear more about how you wrote the screenplay. I assume this was primarily improv again, but it was extremely well structured and juggling the locations had to be tough. Do you just write an outline or have a full screenplay?
It’s all in my head! As we shoot it fills out a sort of mental outline I have, and the outline is very malleable. Shooting with a script is just not fun to me, I like to have my films be very flexible with the potential to change at any moment. I have far more fun being surprised at every turn in the process rather than executing a predetermined vision.
Been busy so finally got around to watching the film last night. Loved the film, gonna need to give it another watch sometime soon just to make sure I absorbed it fully
I've always thought you and your friends carry the heart and soul of classic youtube in everything you make together. It's more about the art and the joy that comes with collaborating with friends than the profit or the algorithm. I have a ton of respect for you guys for that
I deeply appreciate you, this video, your beliefs when it comes to making films, and all of the other videos you have made explaining your films. Every part of the process you remain impressively humble and sweet as well as an extreme inspiration for small artists. This months movie challenge is amazing and I hope you feel that your efforts to inspire independent filmmakers are working. Thank you for all of it, and I’m glad you’re enjoying yourself while you do
Thanks for the breakdowns and the commentary. I was questioning the actors' pay right around the time you talked about it in the video and I really appreciate the honesty of your approach. In the end there is still a trade happening, but instead of money you repay them with your friendship, time, exposure, and potentially some kind of revenue down the line. I'm curious if there is any kind of deal or even unspoken understanding between you all, that if you end up making a lot of money for some content (which seems more likely because your channel is much bigger than theirs and likelier to go viral), what do you do about it, is there a rev share, do you keep it all and repay them only out of your kindness, and are you explicit about it? It feels like money is the essential difference between making good art and making commercial content. And if you're upfront, you can ensure the people who stick around are true to their beliefs and you'll have a better collaboration; and if they can't or won't stick around because of money, you can just take the project in a different direction, and collab when the conditions are better. This also works when you do some kind of money deal upfront, but the problem is, as someone else commented, when people are forced to stay in a situation they don't like anymore because they depend on that money. For context, I'm a game developer and musician, and I am dealing with these problems practically for many years now, with questionable success. My solution after being burned a few times was to not really collaborate for a while, and it's a really bad solution which I'm in the process of changing.
really enjoyed the film Joel, it was entertaining, fun, weird, unique, all my favorite things. thanks for putting it out there for the world to enjoy for free
Joel, you’ve been a game changer in the way I think about film making, thank you! I’m curious to know more about your writing process, and how you developed this story
I think people are being a little weird about the not paying friends thing. When I was in college I had a filmmaking friend and we all helped him make his small movies, all contributed in some way, and I don't recall any money exchanging hands, but I do recall some good times and fun had well making films, and to me, those memories are more than payment enough. As you get older and people move away, get married, have families, get jobs, ect., these kind of relationships become harder to maintain, but I'm inspired to try to be a little more active in my local community now, reach out to people, and help them with their little projects. Incidentally, it's Joshua Tree, and so you'd think there would be a bigger filmmaking community out there, but it's mostly musicians and painters - I guess LA sucks them all in ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A fantastically succinct budget breakdown. Awesome to hear how the numbers came together for this. (I was especially shocked by the cost for the diner scene at the opening -- wow!) Can't wait to see what comes out for the next month!
Loving these breakdowns. Very educational and goes to show one does not need a ginormous budget to produce a well made feature. I also think it’s great you have so many friends willing to collaborate with you on these projects. I’m getting to a point with my own channel where I need to start building my own ‘tribe’ to produce some of the stuff I want to do. Looking forward to the next feature!😎
I would add too that depending on where you live, it might be worth to start an LLC to write-off the money you spend if you do have income coming in. I've saved thousands of dollars writing off all my film equipment and software.
Some assets can be written off over time using a formula that lets you write off the deprecated value of the equipment if you're not making money this year, but maybe in the future.
having an LLC is a pain and expensive in itself, you can still write things off as a sole proprietor using schedule C. LLC is really only worth it if you’re making around 100K or more (so yes maybe for him if patreon is counted as taxable income)
This movie was so unique and had me laughing while also tense up not knowing what was going to happen. This movie was truly amazing and I hope you make something like this again! Great work, Joel!
I think that 50mm lens paid off. When I watched the film, I thought to myself "something feels different about the cinematography" but I couldn't put my finger on it. I think it was, in part, that deeper depth of field in some shots. Something I'd love to see somewhere in your 12 months of movies is a movie made without other youtubers. I know that's where a large source of your acting friends are, but I sometimes feel as though I'm seeing a series of cameos or reoccurring characters, and it can pull me out of the story a bit. I'd love to see a Joel Haver film with some different faces on the screen, maybe an older cast? Just a thought. Anyway. Loved this last film. I think it is some of your best work to date. Can't wait to see more.
I was wondering what lens you used for the film when I saw it in Blake's BTS, thank you so much for going over it! Glad I'm not the only one who forgets to clean my lenses :)
Joel, I wanted to say it's always refreshing hearing your views on the production of your films and the industry in general. It's incredibly admirable and I look up to you for it, keep it up and much love!
Hey Joel, just watched your movie and I loved it. I was wondering how much of the story you planned out? I know you improvise all your movies but since there were a lot of different locations and actors I figured maybe you had to get a rough idea of the shots before hand?
I loved the movie! I don’t know if this one or Drowning in Potential is my favorite Joel Haver film, but if you’re ever out in mountain mama WV, I know some great outdoorsy places to shoot!
I’m so inspired by your process and so interested in what it must be like pivoting from movie to movie each month. I don’t know if you’ve thought this far in advance, but I would be so stoked if sometime next year you put out a longer-form retrospective about your year of movies. I’d happily watch a super long “Joel sits and talks to the camera” style video, a BTS video like Blake did, a video of you reading through your notebook of ideas, or a thing where you have all your friends send in a video detailing what their roles were like. Or basically anything else to help you process your year of movies. I know this is already an incredibly generous year for you with the fact that you’re gifting us with 12 feature films and 24 videos on this channel, and I definitely respect that there may be a lot of aspects about this year that you want to keep for just you and your friends. But if you do decide to go in depth recounting your year, I’m letting you know now that I’m 100% here for it.
The sock and pants tape is an invaluable expense, I’d hate to even put a price on it. If you’re not taping peoples sock and pants you’re not making a movie!
You’re incredible man. You have such a genuine aura and have a lot of integrity. It’s really amazing and I hope you succeed financially doing what you love, but I know you’ll do it either way and that’s damn inspiring.
I Really loved this movie! Watched twice actually! But even more I love this idea that film production can really be like a music jam session! There’s something so pure and beautiful about it, that i believe will make all upcoming movies of yours really great and timeless! Wish all the best to you and everyone involved That's real Jazz!
Joel, I find that needing production insurance to be cost prohibitive to getting most locations. Most places I've talked to require it. How are you getting around that?
The simple answer is I haven’t needed it ever hahah! No one has ever asked or required it, when you’re bringing a camera and a tripod, no lights and no crew, there’s very little that can go wrong haha
For the audio phasing I recommend checking out the auto align post 2 plugin. It costs about as much as your new mics, but you'd see a huge jump in quality without needing to painstakingly align or chop up the audio tracks. Can't wait to see the next film!
Hey Joel! I’ve really enjoyed all of your movies so far this year but this one resonated with me the most. Nicely done by you and everyone involved! Not sure if you’ve gotten this comparison yet, but the “actor thinks he’s acting” dynamic between Blake’s character and the ‘actual’ actor in the film reminded me so much of the movie “The Man Who Knew Too Little,” one of my favorite lesser known comedy movies. It’s one of the best Bill Murray performances of all time in my opinion. Please check it out if you haven’t seen it, I think you’d love it!
I like to hear about how you and your friends are all collaborating but in a non-capitalistic way. People can work together without the need for money to change hands. ❤
Unions used to have collective pools of money to help each other when folks hit hard times. They were able to pay back into the pool with no interest when they got back on their feet too.
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You forgot to include you paid me my day rate of $130,000
That’s all tax deductible so it’s okay
I think you should have paid the guy who was holding a hose for the rain scenes, he made it look very real. Good water spread.
Just make sure you don’t go straight from the rope store over to the rickety stool store. That’s when you start looking alarming.
Norm❤
This character over here made me read it in Norm's voice.
I love you, Joel. Let me know if any of your future films need any animated segments or anything like that
Thanks for offering, I’ll definitely keep it in mind! My brain is a little scattered with possibilities at times!
Yeah I was just thinking of what it would be like doing vfx for one of these. I wonder if it would be crazy with the one month deadline
I don't think people were under the impression that there's anything untoward happening with not directly paying your friends for the acting, the only thing is that it kind of adds a pretty big asterisk next to the notion of "here's how cheaply you can make a feature!". I think it would behoove these breakdowns just to recognize that most people don't have access to so many great actor friends who are both willing & able to spend the time collaborating for the fun of it, that's all. It's definitely nothing less than awesome & inspiring that you do have that circle and you're able to make these things together. Looking forward to watching!
For real. I’m happy he has people who trust him, but we’re in too intense of a recession right now to excuse not paying people.
I will say I don’t think this is as much as a limitation for people as they believe. When I was flat broke, I made my first feature for $200 in my podunk hometown with my friends and family and locals. My second feature had me and my friend making a movie in a town we’d never been to with a bunch of strangers. There are people everywhere itching to be creative and goof around on camera if you approach them with a genuine love for the act!
filmmaking using volunteers, specially non-commercial art projects, is fine. and even paying $200-$300 per day per actor for these small projects would not be a great obstacle for most filmmakers if properly planned. microbudget features can be done that way for under $5K - $10K. but if you want to work w/ people for free to improve your filmmaking and acting skills, that's also a legit way to go. art making is not regular work.
2 - also, even if cast and crew were paid, many of these small projects could be done for under $5K for cast and crew pay (non-commercial art project pay, not regular commercial rates) - several days of shooting, including some $s for the filmmaker. as mentioned above, lots of microbudget filmmakers do this already - making under $5K - under $10K - under $20K movies.
I’ve worked a lot in my local indie film scene, so many crew members and cast are willing to work for free as long as you provide food, and repay them the favor when they want to make something. Like you have to be friends for this to work most of the time, but this is how it works for pretty much every local filmmaker I’ve ever talked to
quentin tarantino has a tattoo on his back of martin scorsese saying "joel haver is the next spielberg".
The bnb really suited molly and trent's characters. Great find
What would you say was their big purpose in the movie? Im a bit puzzled on them, especially molly
I'm such a sucker for any explanation given via sharpie on a flip pad.
Be sure to check out Caleb's absolutely lucid lesson on the hero's journey. Phenomenal use of sharpie on a flip pad.
Thank you for not having midroll adds- It might seem like a small thing but they consistently take me out of videos.
it's cool that you have turned off mid-roll ads for these, that makes a huge difference. One of my favourite bands (Beach House) for my favourite album (Once twice melody) have the full album on YT with lyric animations in one video with no ads in it, and I just think that's such a cool thing to do, really putting their art first. It's also cool that you're looking after your buddies and putting money (sensibly) into all of this. And thanks for sharing the break-downs of the costs!
And thanks to the people who are in the Patreon, because I know that their generosity makes a lot of this work, and accessible for those of us who don't have the disposable income at the moment
Hell yeah Beach House
Left a comment on the movie itself, but just wanted to spread the love to the side channel: this movie is amazing. You're a huge inspiration.
And of course, getting this kind of insight into your process and gear helps us newbies learn a lot.
Much love, man.
this is so responsible and admirable, being accountable for your budget and time. well done
Viewer budget breakdown:
Arizona KiwiStrab - $1.01
Half a bag of kettle cooked air fried potato chips with Himalayan sea salt - $2.50
(Note that i definitely splurged a little here, the average viewer could easily get by with the store brand or your typical lays but I wanted to minimize my grease intake so I did not get lethargic half way through.)
Four recycled paper towels. - 10 cents
So my grand total came to $3.61 which is pretty good for an hour and a half. Don’t let these numbers deter you though, one could definitely get away with much less. Maybe stick to water and a bag of microwaved pop corn or a jar of peanut butter and box of ritz you could make last for four movies if you don’t exceed one sleeve.
Thank you for reading this and enjoy Joel’s film.
this one was special. like all the other films too but this one stepped up even further in terms of location and scenes.
My RUclips premium subscription ran out recently, and I was so happy to not see any ads in the middle of your last two movies
Dude, literally everything and everyone involved in this project performed way above what anyone could reasonably expect.
Great job.
you are my favorite filmmaker. your movies and videos mean so much to me
That means a lot, thanks for watching them❤️
I watched the movie yesterday and I’m still thinking about it! I needa watch it again - it was EXCELLENT. Just??? Absolute artwork. The way it was put together, the performances, the pace, it was all outstanding 👌👌👌
This picture felt so much bigger than that amount. Wowzers
I'd actually love a physically release of all 12 movies in one collection maybe, after all is said and done! I'd pay a ton for that, maybe consider it. Keep up the amazing work Joel, you're my favorite artist.
I was genuinely flabberghasted that you managed to do this in a month. It really held my attention, great pacing and great story. I really loved how it had all of these RUclips sketch actors all doing serious roles, they were fantastic! I must admit I was waiting for Sven to pop up and then I realised it was him wearing a mask. I also thought Trent was going to go full on Cohen Brothers and get up to some murder at the end. So much talent all-round. I hope you do more movies with all these folk, such great acting.
Unironically Anyone Else But Me reminds me of Clerks, truly a believable and slice of life, fantastic cast and script! well fucking done!!!
This movie was sooooo good. The more filming and editing I do the more I think about this movie. The outdoor shots with car were amazing, the club shots were amazing, Blake did an amazing job. What a great movie!
I love seeing you talk about the legwork none of us see behind the scenes. That passion when you talk is infectious l. Glad to be along for the ride!
I think the location, especially the set, really helped making the product feel really presentable
I had wondered before if you pay your friends while making these movies, but I always stopped to think about how when my friends want to work on something or whatnot, I'm just super excited to make stuff with them. Like yeah this is y'alls career and you gotta make money, but you also want to make art and have fun, that's what life's all about. Super awesome that you found this group of friends to create with and I'm always excited to see what everyone makes!
My fav part of this movie is when Blake was at the club and was talking about how it sucks to be so rich lmao it was funny but also filmed and edited really well
Thank you for doing these breakdowns Joel. We are learning a lot from you in a distant country .
I really enjoyed this movie, interesting breakdown! Thanks for being as transparent as possible.
It's clear how much love you put into everything you make. I worked in the film industry from around 2011 until 2021 and the reason I left was because the lack of love in the big movies and television shows. It's so refreshing to see you busting down the doors with your pure passion for just making what you want to make and not expecting anything in return.
I would hope that as the year goes on, you'll gain new patrons and grow your revenue that way.
I'm raising my patreon tier today.
My Favorite movie you have made! I was going to suggest you could make a behind the scenes documentary for one of the movies you make this year as a way to buy yourself a little more time on the next one if needed and have that be one of the features. Blake's video answered my prayers a couple hours later lol!
Always a good idea to buy the ski mask and rope from a different location. 😂
I didn't really vibe with The Hero's Story, but Anyone Else But Me was captivating. I watched it all in one go without anticipating I would. You did such an incredible job, and all involved were great.
It would be cool to know how many days you spent filming on these projects if you'd be willing to disclose that. Really curious about your ideas about editing too. This is really concise and informative for filmmakers Joel, congrats on the film.
Blake posted a behind the scenes. Looks like it took roughly a week. ruclips.net/video/dsDKY-Bjcm0/видео.htmlsi=LXXFIors6v8UiUU_
check out the BTS from Blake, you get another glimpse into that
You are so thoughtful to provide Sparkling water as well. So hospitable 🙏
Easily a top three film of yours. Congratulations on making yet another great film, truly!
I've always wanted to know more about your creative process and the practical side of how you make your videos, so these breakdowns are incredible. Thanks so much for doing this!
Can’t believe you directed Anyone but You on such a small budget.
You made $200 million good job!
I love these breakdowns Joel. Thanks for sharing the process and the details on all of these movies. I really love how you stand up against the bull crap and stale beliefs that people have towards making movies. It's so unnecessary and limiting.
I really liked that diner scene at the beginning. With all the bright highlights surrounding him I thought that was super neat. Super interesting where that set was. Keep them coming Joel
That actor stayed tied up in a van in the desert for all that time for a dinner? You must be charming son of a gun.
This dude is a diamond in the rough
THANKS FOR EVERYTHING JOEL
WE LOVE YA TOO. AND MOVIES
The calleb movie made me feel uncertain and like anxious but it was honestly really good
an inspiration. your a fucking inspiration joel
You're a true artist, Joel. Your work is really inspiring
i love how this one showcased your talented friends
Ah... 420 for a-hem "food". I see! So that's how it rolls with the Joel Haver Craft Services...
Loved the film and these breakdowns are so fascinating! I’d love to hear more about how you wrote the screenplay. I assume this was primarily improv again, but it was extremely well structured and juggling the locations had to be tough. Do you just write an outline or have a full screenplay?
It’s all in my head! As we shoot it fills out a sort of mental outline I have, and the outline is very malleable. Shooting with a script is just not fun to me, I like to have my films be very flexible with the potential to change at any moment. I have far more fun being surprised at every turn in the process rather than executing a predetermined vision.
@@joeltalksaboutmovies MASSIVELY impressive for a feature length film!
Been busy so finally got around to watching the film last night. Loved the film, gonna need to give it another watch sometime soon just to make sure I absorbed it fully
I've always thought you and your friends carry the heart and soul of classic youtube in everything you make together. It's more about the art and the joy that comes with collaborating with friends than the profit or the algorithm. I have a ton of respect for you guys for that
I gotta say, I loved the locations in your latest film. They're like characters in and of themselves.
All stuff you spent extra on genuinely made the movie so much bigger and fresh for your style your career path as a director is going insanely well
Loved this one so much, keep it up man! you got this
I still can't believe we're getting a full-length from you every month. What a fudgin' year!!
I deeply appreciate you, this video, your beliefs when it comes to making films, and all of the other videos you have made explaining your films. Every part of the process you remain impressively humble and sweet as well as an extreme inspiration for small artists. This months movie challenge is amazing and I hope you feel that your efforts to inspire independent filmmakers are working. Thank you for all of it, and I’m glad you’re enjoying yourself while you do
Thanks for the breakdowns and the commentary. I was questioning the actors' pay right around the time you talked about it in the video and I really appreciate the honesty of your approach.
In the end there is still a trade happening, but instead of money you repay them with your friendship, time, exposure, and potentially some kind of revenue down the line. I'm curious if there is any kind of deal or even unspoken understanding between you all, that if you end up making a lot of money for some content (which seems more likely because your channel is much bigger than theirs and likelier to go viral), what do you do about it, is there a rev share, do you keep it all and repay them only out of your kindness, and are you explicit about it?
It feels like money is the essential difference between making good art and making commercial content. And if you're upfront, you can ensure the people who stick around are true to their beliefs and you'll have a better collaboration; and if they can't or won't stick around because of money, you can just take the project in a different direction, and collab when the conditions are better. This also works when you do some kind of money deal upfront, but the problem is, as someone else commented, when people are forced to stay in a situation they don't like anymore because they depend on that money.
For context, I'm a game developer and musician, and I am dealing with these problems practically for many years now, with questionable success. My solution after being burned a few times was to not really collaborate for a while, and it's a really bad solution which I'm in the process of changing.
really enjoyed the film Joel, it was entertaining, fun, weird, unique, all my favorite things. thanks for putting it out there for the world to enjoy for free
Joel, you’ve been a game changer in the way I think about film making, thank you!
I’m curious to know more about your writing process, and how you developed this story
It's very nice of you to be upfront with the amount of money you are making on patreon. keep up with the good stuff! Enjoy!
I think people are being a little weird about the not paying friends thing. When I was in college I had a filmmaking friend and we all helped him make his small movies, all contributed in some way, and I don't recall any money exchanging hands, but I do recall some good times and fun had well making films, and to me, those memories are more than payment enough. As you get older and people move away, get married, have families, get jobs, ect., these kind of relationships become harder to maintain, but I'm inspired to try to be a little more active in my local community now, reach out to people, and help them with their little projects. Incidentally, it's Joshua Tree, and so you'd think there would be a bigger filmmaking community out there, but it's mostly musicians and painters - I guess LA sucks them all in ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It is great movie. Last scene is beautiful. Congratulations again.
A fantastically succinct budget breakdown. Awesome to hear how the numbers came together for this. (I was especially shocked by the cost for the diner scene at the opening -- wow!) Can't wait to see what comes out for the next month!
Loving these breakdowns. Very educational and goes to show one does not need a ginormous budget to produce a well made feature. I also think it’s great you have so many friends willing to collaborate with you on these projects. I’m getting to a point with my own channel where I need to start building my own ‘tribe’ to produce some of the stuff I want to do.
Looking forward to the next feature!😎
Excellent film. I did miss hearing your voice during the film.
I would add too that depending on where you live, it might be worth to start an LLC to write-off the money you spend if you do have income coming in. I've saved thousands of dollars writing off all my film equipment and software.
Some assets can be written off over time using a formula that lets you write off the deprecated value of the equipment if you're not making money this year, but maybe in the future.
having an LLC is a pain and expensive in itself, you can still write things off as a sole proprietor using schedule C. LLC is really only worth it if you’re making around 100K or more (so yes maybe for him if patreon is counted as taxable income)
This movie was so unique and had me laughing while also tense up not knowing what was going to happen. This movie was truly amazing and I hope you make something like this again! Great work, Joel!
That new lense worked wonders man some shots in this are beautiful
Thank you my friend!
This is by far my favourite project of yours! Felt way more than the goofiness should allow...
much love!
Joel's just such a good guy.
man this movie was just.. amazing
these monthly films for this next year are gonna be absolute achievements
super cool that you're doing that
Thanks Joel
I think that 50mm lens paid off. When I watched the film, I thought to myself "something feels different about the cinematography" but I couldn't put my finger on it. I think it was, in part, that deeper depth of field in some shots.
Something I'd love to see somewhere in your 12 months of movies is a movie made without other youtubers. I know that's where a large source of your acting friends are, but I sometimes feel as though I'm seeing a series of cameos or reoccurring characters, and it can pull me out of the story a bit. I'd love to see a Joel Haver film with some different faces on the screen, maybe an older cast? Just a thought.
Anyway. Loved this last film. I think it is some of your best work to date. Can't wait to see more.
I was wondering what lens you used for the film when I saw it in Blake's BTS, thank you so much for going over it! Glad I'm not the only one who forgets to clean my lenses :)
If you made a physical dvd collection of them I’d buy it.
These are very helpful. It's very rare for a
Film autors to share the process, thank you.
I've been saving watching it for this weekend! Pretty pumped, and this is the teaser without any spoilers in my mind lol
It felt like your first big budget one. 4010 is unreal! Well done joel!
Personally I liked the Caleb movie way more but that's just me. This one wasn't bad you just struck so much gold with the Caleb one.
Joel, I wanted to say it's always refreshing hearing your views on the production of your films and the industry in general. It's incredibly admirable and I look up to you for it, keep it up and much love!
Hey Joel, just watched your movie and I loved it. I was wondering how much of the story you planned out? I know you improvise all your movies but since there were a lot of different locations and actors I figured maybe you had to get a rough idea of the shots before hand?
Finally watched it a few minutes ago. I really loved it!
I loved the movie! I don’t know if this one or Drowning in Potential is my favorite Joel Haver film, but if you’re ever out in mountain mama WV, I know some great outdoorsy places to shoot!
Love you too pal, good luck with the next movie and thank you for all your hard work.
I’m so inspired by your process and so interested in what it must be like pivoting from movie to movie each month. I don’t know if you’ve thought this far in advance, but I would be so stoked if sometime next year you put out a longer-form retrospective about your year of movies. I’d happily watch a super long “Joel sits and talks to the camera” style video, a BTS video like Blake did, a video of you reading through your notebook of ideas, or a thing where you have all your friends send in a video detailing what their roles were like. Or basically anything else to help you process your year of movies.
I know this is already an incredibly generous year for you with the fact that you’re gifting us with 12 feature films and 24 videos on this channel, and I definitely respect that there may be a lot of aspects about this year that you want to keep for just you and your friends. But if you do decide to go in depth recounting your year, I’m letting you know now that I’m 100% here for it.
What about the sticky tape? I never realised sticky tape was so important for the filming process until I saw Blakes BTS video.
The sock and pants tape is an invaluable expense, I’d hate to even put a price on it. If you’re not taping peoples sock and pants you’re not making a movie!
I wish I could assist you on your movies !!
You’re incredible man. You have such a genuine aura and have a lot of integrity. It’s really amazing and I hope you succeed financially doing what you love, but I know you’ll do it either way and that’s damn inspiring.
I Really loved this movie! Watched twice actually!
But even more I love this idea that film production can really be like a music jam session! There’s something so pure and beautiful about it, that i believe will make all upcoming movies of yours really great and timeless!
Wish all the best to you and everyone involved
That's real Jazz!
Thank YOU, Joel! ♡
Joel, I find that needing production insurance to be cost prohibitive to getting most locations. Most places I've talked to require it. How are you getting around that?
The simple answer is I haven’t needed it ever hahah! No one has ever asked or required it, when you’re bringing a camera and a tripod, no lights and no crew, there’s very little that can go wrong haha
@@joeltalksaboutmovies thanks! I plan on making a full length film this year as well, I hope someday we can make something together!
For the audio phasing I recommend checking out the auto align post 2 plugin. It costs about as much as your new mics, but you'd see a huge jump in quality without needing to painstakingly align or chop up the audio tracks.
Can't wait to see the next film!
I love your T-shirt! Good taste
Hey Joel! I’ve really enjoyed all of your movies so far this year but this one resonated with me the most. Nicely done by you and everyone involved! Not sure if you’ve gotten this comparison yet, but the “actor thinks he’s acting” dynamic between Blake’s character and the ‘actual’ actor in the film reminded me so much of the movie “The Man Who Knew Too Little,” one of my favorite lesser known comedy movies. It’s one of the best Bill Murray performances of all time in my opinion. Please check it out if you haven’t seen it, I think you’d love it!
earth animal is amazing I've listened to it at least 25 times.
It would be cool if you released a nice quality bluray with all of your projects for the year- I'd love to have it on my shelf.
This is great! I love how much effort you put into making filmmaking seem accessible! Really important stuff.
I like to hear about how you and your friends are all collaborating but in a non-capitalistic way. People can work together without the need for money to change hands. ❤
Unions used to have collective pools of money to help each other when folks hit hard times. They were able to pay back into the pool with no interest when they got back on their feet too.
Loved the latest movie and was looking forward to this budget breakdown. Looking forward to the next 10!