Noah's story is so sad, Adam manipulated him so much, He made him killed his own father[Bartosz] and ordered Noah's sister [Agnes] to kill him, He ordered his wife [Elisabeth] and daughter [Charlotte] to kidnap his daughter, And for the sake of finding his daughter he made him kidnap and kill children and train his father [Bartosz] to be his agent. Adam really treated Noah very bad although Noah was very loyal to him.
He became kind of a "meh" character for me to my favorite character in the series by the end. His arc of starting as kind of a one note villain to a really complex character was really well done.
Claudia is in the best position to figure everything out. For starters, she's a scientist instead of a highschool (German equivalent, I don't know the term) dropout like Jonas and Martha. Now we learn how she maneuvers herself to be in the loop (pun intended) of both Adam's and Eva's plans. She's definitely a player.
@Joe Greene Not about the switch point in the loop of time. Eva always knew about that, that's how she was able to maintain the loop, creating a version of herself that was able to survive and grow old despite Adam killing another version. And Claudia took all this time to find out about this and tell Adam, so that Jonas could break the loop
In my interpretation of the events, I think Claudia knew about the loop in time and used that to pass knowledge to the newer older version of herself and that's how she builds the knowledge to understand what was the origin of it all. Like, the moment we see with her other self has repeated a lot of times until so she could pass the knowledge she gained in each cycle to the other version and so on. As I said at the beginning, this is my interpretation of how Claudia could learn all about that.
The contrast between how I feel about Noah in season one and now, is huge. I hated him because he was evil in season one, but now I feel pity, and understand his character. I feel so bad for him.
That recap montage is as good as any show gets - every revelation and connection to prior episodes is so earned. You just know that they are going to nail the ending even though there's only one episode left.
The device on which Noah tortured children is something like a prototype of a time machine, they tested it on children. They wanted to create a time machine with which you can travel in time, not limited to 33 years. But they did not receive, so the children simply threw 33 years forward in time like Mads from 1986 to 2019 and 33 years ago like Yasin and Erik in 1953. Noah's motivation was also explained by Adam in this episode, it will lead him to Charlotte and to the last pages, which also says that Charlotte is his daughter. Adam already knows who his daughter is and where she is, so he lies to him so that he repeats the cycle. But Noah thinks that if he builds a time machine and can travel at any time, then he can return to the moment when his daughter was stolen and stop it.
This has to be my favorite episode by far! Seeing how everything was coming together and every character was in their position to start a new cycle and seeing how it all happened as it always has just made me realize how good this show was and how everything was connected from the beginning.
I've been wondering about how Jonas spent those 33 year gaps between his 3 selves for seasons. And now they gave all that and the same for many more characters in a single episode. Really my favorite of the whole show.
Noah to Helge in S01E10: “Because we prefer any lie to feeling pain. Years ago, when I was a boy, a stranger came to us. He looked like he’s been in the war. He didn’t talk much. There was this sadness in his eyes. The kind you see in those who want to die, but life won’t let them. He rented a room in our home. The bedroom right next to mine. Many times he would talk in his sleep. Confused words. But this one night, he was suddenly very clear. He stood in the hallway with his eyes wide open and said, ‘Nothing is done in vain. Not a single breath. Not a single step, not a single word. Not any pain. It’s all an eternal wondrous miracle of the One.’ I couldn’t relate to his words. It was only years later, when I myself felt such a pain, that I truly understood what he meant. He meant that none of the horrible things that happen to us should be in vain. Those challenges make us who we are. That sadness can give us strength. Your pain defines who you are, Helge. But it no longer holds power over you.” That man was his older self! The last few lines also tell us how his character became a bit more cold and kinda "evil" as time passed.
Oh damn you might be right! I thought that he was refering to Jonas when he came to 1921 and was mistaken for a soldier. I got that idea after rewatching season 1 after season 2 came out and they showed Jonas while Noah was giving that speech. But I always found it a bit odd because the words Noah was quoting were so unlike Jonas. Now it makes more sense.
@@AmarthwenNarmacil It doesn't really. Because the speech sounds like Noah, but the description is 100% Jonas. Noah never wanted to die, he wanted to find his daughter, keep his promise and reunite with her and Eli. Someone who wants to die but the world won't let him? That's Jonas. I think they meant it to be Jonas in season 1 (which is why they showed him during the speech), but after they rewrote some things (like Noah's storyline - I'm pretty sure he was originally meant to be Agnes' husband), they tried to low key retcon it to be Noah - which doesn't fully work for me.
@@frakkintoasterluvva7920 As far as I know they wrote all 3 seasons before they even started filming season 1, so I don't think they could redcon much. I don't see why they would change that, anyway.
@@AmarthwenNarmacil They had the main point mapped, but they changed some things. Apparently, they've said that they got bored by what they wrote by the end of season 1 so they changed some plans. (I don't know the source - but Anthony James (The Culture Cave) is often referencing that interview.) I'm sure that the main plot was planned from the start - as season 1 has lots of foreshadowing for things like Adam and Eva's plotline or the resolution (e.g. in the Ariadne play Martha performs). But I think you can notice some traces of things that were retconed: season 1 suggested that Noah was Agnes' ex and Tronte's father, and the man Noah spoke about in his speech was strongly hinted to be Jonas. Another example is that, apparently, Helene Albers was first credited as Wolf in season 2, which was changed to Albers later - so, they probably did not initially plan to make that minor character Katharina's mother.
@@AmarthwenNarmacil I've found that interview where Jantje said they got bored while doing season 1 by what they had planned for season 2, so they rewrote some of it. It's from 2018. ruclips.net/video/ZXdrrGTmvuc/видео.html
I like how the roles have changed by now. I remember thinking Noah, the mysterious dark priest was the mastermind when it all started, now he is just another piece on the table.
Season 1 Episode 5: Mikkel is Michael and Sonny: Damn, my head is exploding. Season 3 Episode 7: Silja is giving birth to Hanno aka Noah and Sonny: Oh! 05:51 😂
Adam: "Remember how you thought I stole your daughter from you? Well it turns out it was you and her abducting her from you, so off you go and do that otherwise you won't be born and neither will she."
Charlotte: "I have to steal myself as a baby from my Mother/Daughter so I can be taken to my foster father so I can meet my husband so I can give birth to my Mother/Daughter and oh no I've gone cross eyed."
Well, you finally arrived to one of the episodes I enjoyed the most! I later learnt that a lot of people have a lot of mixed feelings about it but on my first watch I was mesmerized by it (and directly jumped to the last one, don't know how you have the strength to resist watching it hahaha). I guess for some it may be rushed but I think the timing fit the feeling. I think I really liked the idea of seeing so many missing pieces coming into place and also watching the "behind the scenes" of the events we watched during the previous seasons. I read somewhere that the recap sequence also created this feeling of the audience now being an "older version" of the one who watched season 1 and 2 and how that (together with the information we have learnt) changes our perspective on those same events. I swear I screamed with everything related to Claudia, I think her character is one of my favorites. It's great because once you think about it for a few moments, it makes a lot of sense for her to be able to figure out this mess. We'll see what she has to offer in the next episode 🤭 I was super interested in the future between the apocalypse and the 2053 we already knew. If anything, I would have loved to have a little bit more on that. Noah, Jonas and Charlotte must gone through a lot of things together. What I really likes was having so much insight into Noah's world, throughout all the seasons we see so much of his life and though the trauma of losing his daughter doesn't excuse his actions, you start to understand why he was so desperate to create a time machine and also why he was so conflicted about the existence of God and Paradise. Can I also have a moment of praise for that little second after nothing happens when you can see the confusion and disappoinment in Adam's body language even before he opens his eyes? That was fantastic. Okay, enough of writing. I'll be looking forward to the next reaction!! Can't believe you are about to finish Dark. Hopefully you'll like the finale! Have a nice week you two xx
Not sure what you’re referring to. In the normal cycle, Claudia doesn’t come into the room at the end and explain everything to Adam. Instead he uses the Apple to travel to Eva’s world and kills her. Young altMartha finding her murdered body is what drives her to become Eva. Claudia coming into the room after Adam destroys the origin is the first time that has ever happened. It’s not part of the cycle at all.
I knew it wasn’t ordinary that Claudia was my fave character in this show. She’s very educated and it makes sense to me that she knew about the origin world.
Those kidnapped children's are just guineas pig for proto type time machine. It was also shown in S2 that everything needs evolutions so do time machines.
As for why Jonas sent his baby sister to the future, I heard a rather neat theory that he sent her to future Elizabeth after Charlotte was taken from her, so she could take Silja in and raise her, giving her some purpose and possibly preventing her from derailing completely. It's similar to Charlotte being brought to Tannhaus after he lost his son, daughter-in-law and granddaughter in the car crash, he told teenage Charlotte about in one of the previous episodes.
Also the pregnant Marta that Adam killed did not have the scar Eva gave/had. This leads me to believe there are two pregnant Martas, Adam only killed one of them which is why his plan didn't work because 'scarred Marta' is still on Eva's world and can still give birth to 'The Origin'. 2 pregnant Marta's, each on different sides, differentiated by the scar.
The "chamber" thing isn't really a strange thing here in Germany. Back in this time a bedroom was called "Kammer". It does not have the same meaning as these days.
Yep. And I recommend watching that whole scene with that knowledge. You can see how Noah is pained when he realizes that his father has lost faith and he has to kill him; and his conversation between young Noah and older Noah in the church afterwards.
In Evas world, old Egon showed up to bring her (Hannah) to middle aged Egon to have Silja. Then Silja had Hanno and Agnes with Bartosz again, and so one... 😅😂 Otherwise the loop couldn't continue like it happened before and therefore "Evas army" wouldn't be possible. Seems like in Adams world things happened more natural than in Evas world. Just an interesting thought I wanted to point out.
@@Rash23215 Egon is not part of any loop, but he has a major part in starting it. Everyone who's part of the loop is just perpetuating it, not starting it.
Listening to you guys discussion helped me figure out what Noah read in the diary and why he tried to kill Adam "Adam will send Charlotte and Elisabeth back to the past to abduct baby Charlotte to send her to Tannhaus in the 70's" and he tried to kill Adam so that'll never happen but he forgot the main rule that since Adam's older self existed (One who ordered the Kidnapping) he couldn't kill him and instead got killed by Agnes. It's been like 45 days since I've finished watching it and there's still stuff to figure out. Thanks, Guys
I haven’t watched 0308 yet, but I was also wondering why Noah ran test on those boys. It just dawned on me that maybe he was trying to find “The Origin”. I guess the test results were that those kids weren’t the origin, but Adam eventually figured it out after 66 years. 🤷🏾♀️
Im looking for instrumental music is repeated in Season 1 Episode 7 (about 3-4 minutes at the beginning when Jonas wakes up), then this music started at 7:00, Season 2 episode 7. When Hannah was about to go in the cave. And last 3 season, when the tannhaus enters the bunker after visiting the family tomb? It is an instrumental sound. Around 7:00 in the beginning.
I think they already explained the bit about the machine. Adam has a working time machine, but it is an evolution of previous iterations which Noah tested. Adam practically explained it to Jonas in season 2. The working time machine would not have existed if Noah had not tested the previous versions first. Since the machine already exists, then the testing should also happen. That's why Adam has to send Noah to abduct children until he figures out a working machine - he simply wants to prolong the cycle. Both Adam and Noah already know what is to happen - this is why the room has the wallpaper with three pictures because they would be abducting three children. They know it in advance and just follow the loop.
When you realise that Egon is at the head of the family. Egon gave rise to Claudia whose daughter, Regina gave birth to Bartosz. Bartosz with Silja (who was also Egon's descendent) gave birth to Agnes and Noah. Anges gives birth to the Nielsen family which gives birth to the Kahnwald family. And Noah gives birth to the Doppler family. So really the four families are descendents of Egon.
No, the Doppler family is not really/entirely part of the Nielsen-Kahnwald-Tiedemann-Tauber knot. That's how Claudia at one point realises that there is a third world, outside of Adam's world and Eva's world. She played both sides to learn the entire family tree to confirm this. And then she kept travelling and repeating everything many times until she found the tool - when the time stood still for 1 nanosecond during the apocalypse - to send Jonas and Martha to the origin world, making Tannhaus not inventing time travel ...collapsing the knot. If everybody would have been part of the incest family tree there would have been no way to resolve all these self-sustaining paradoxes.
@@bobbwc7011 But the people mentioned are descendants of Egon. They are also all descendants of Martha and Jonas. But unlike Martha and Jonas, Egon is not actually part of the loop, since he's not a descendant of any of these people (while Martha and Jonas are). This is why Claudia was able to untie the knot without risking it affecting her and ** SPOILER ** Regina.
Just in case, I'll throw this out there. It's not necessarily that Jonas can't die, he just won't. No matter what the odds, he is alive in the future so he will not die before that time.
Im gonna name the reason why Jonas can’t die : KAHNWALD’S LAW , it says that (X) in a loop can’t die because (X) already exist in some point of time inside the loop 😁 enforcing the theory that everything is already predestined
It's hard to tell if you like this episode lol The machine was mentioned it just to keep everything in place like noah said all chess pieces beginning moved around, also yasin was killed is to stop him and Elizabeth, She had to get with Noah Hope you guys like the finale And see if kat shed tears in a scene or too I certainly did lol.
I was thinking about how maybe Jonas not being able to kill himself also lead to Adam wanting to erase everything else. It would be the only way for him to find "peace", so over the years he got more and more desperate and stopped believing in anything else. Although trying to reach that goal made his own life more and more miserable as well, but since it's a loop he couldn't stop it.
There's just so much that we don't know. So much that we are never shown. Silja, for example. It is never mentioned in the show itself, but on the official site, it is stated that Silja is born in the 80's. So we have to conclude that Hannah, after breaking up with Egon in the 50's, used her time machine again to travel to the 80's, had her child and raised her for some years. Where was she living? Winden? Alongside her own younger self, and the older version of her ex-lover/father-of-her-child? What name would she have been using? Silja's last name is given as Tiedemann, after her father. But she couldn't have used that in Winden, with the Tiedemanns still going strong there. Katharina Nielsen would also have been dangerous... with the original Katharina and her Ulrich being around. Fundamentally irrelevant for the story... but one of the "that would have been an interesting thing to know" items. And an even darker thought about Hannah's alternative self: there she is, without any idea about "time-travel", pregnant, having a miscarriage... and suddenly the old policeman from her childhood is standing in front of her. Taking her to God-knows-where-and-when... for the sole purpose to have his child. Most people assumed that Old Egon took her back to the 50's in the Alt-World to hook her up with his young self. But considering the very direct approach that Eva takes in so many situations... why bother? There's a Hannah, here's an Egon... do your job and create your family tree, old man!
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Good reacton, guys! While all the jumping through time was a bit confusing it also filled in a lot of gaps and explained the motivation for the characters. I loved the way they did it and the recap montage was great (and had another piece of amazing music). Out of curiiosity: Kat, what's up with your t-shirt? It looks like a personalized part of a uniform for some biohazard-fighting squad. :-)
Hahahahha you can call us a biohazard fighting squad.. But it's from a "cabaret" / revue (?) with the molecular biomedicine+ biochemistry students. We do skits and songs and dancing about science and things going on in the world right now. We're called MBK, and this was the t-shirt we had for that year. It's super awesome and soft and good quality, that's why I sometimes use it.
I only wonder who played younger Adam who strangled Hannah. It was clearly not the original actor but I can't decide whether it is Lous Hoffmann or Andreas Pietschmann...
It feels like you guys are burn out on the show, or something. My hands were up in the air at several points during this episode. It's a sad, surprising, and revealing episode and I think it was one of the best ones. Hope the finale satisfies your expectations.
You’re forgetting a few things- Adam sends Charlotte and Elizabeth to kidnap baby Charlotte and bring her to Tannhaus. Also, we already know what’s in the missing pages from the book
Egon went to save hannah she did miscarriage Ulrich baby. (Keep the family tree going ) why egon was sent there from eva etc She did have as you know silja by egon so you did get your answer The kids question was answered too and the missing pages lol Till the finale hope you guys are happy with it.
@@Swizz1st yes. But in Adam perspective, there is some main event that change the timeline. And logically, event can be putted in a linear state. There was always a first time for something (in my opinion Charlotte was clearly sent to Tannhaus in the first place to prevent him to create the time machine)
Now I had some very mixed feelings about this episode. The negatives I felt were this was way too much. It felt like oh crap we have so much to wrap up let’s put it all in one episode. There was so much frustration through the first half of the season, I can’t help but think if the stuff in this episode was given more time to develop and spread out, would that elevate the frustration? I felt this episode had a lot of plot and no story, if that makes sense. It didn’t feel like there was ever room to breathe , to grief, to experience what the characters where feeling.
I agree. This was really feeling rushed to cram all the missing pieces, and fill plot holes before the last episode. This should have been shown in several more episodes in a 4th Season. But the creators had already limited their time from the start to only 3 seasons. I know they made some changes as they progressed and really this was way too much for only one episode!
He took Hannah of other world back to 50s in Eva world. Hannah's current pregnancy was a miscarriage. This Hannah will have a child with younger Egon. The child being Silja
@@cricketcsk03 The original Hanna was already pregnant with younger EGON, and she successfully gave birth to Silja... So now my question to you is If EGON from the Adam's world, already had HANNAH pregnant in the 50s... Then what exactly did the alternate EGON accomplish with ALTERNATE HANNA ?? 🤔🤔😂
Yes, that scene where Eva mobilizes her army, she gives all of them individual tasks that help establishing what's needed to keep the loop going in her world. Not everything is spelled out, but figuring it all out is part of the fun.
We're not. We're exhausted. Sonny edits 5-7 days a week, and we react to A L L the shows in one or two days, as Kat also has to tend to her life on the side, as she makes NO money from this, and has to work full-time. Watching a lot of shows in crazy summer heat takes a bit of a toll on the brain, especially with series like Dark, that is very thought-demanding. You shaming us is condescending, and that is both rude and entitled.
Noah's story is so sad, Adam manipulated him so much, He made him killed his own father[Bartosz] and ordered Noah's sister [Agnes] to kill him, He ordered his wife [Elisabeth] and daughter [Charlotte] to kidnap his daughter, And for the sake of finding his daughter he made him kidnap and kill children and train his father [Bartosz] to be his agent.
Adam really treated Noah very bad although Noah was very loyal to him.
He became kind of a "meh" character for me to my favorite character in the series by the end. His arc of starting as kind of a one note villain to a really complex character was really well done.
@@DemonFireRain couldn't agree more.
One of the bests characters for sure
Adam had to do it and it was HIS destiny like everybody else
I mean this all falls under you reap what you sow to me. In a time loop "what goes around comes around" is taken to be literally ^^
Claudia is in the best position to figure everything out. For starters, she's a scientist instead of a highschool (German equivalent, I don't know the term) dropout like Jonas and Martha. Now we learn how she maneuvers herself to be in the loop (pun intended) of both Adam's and Eva's plans. She's definitely a player.
And yet took Claudia an infinite number of cycles to figure out something that apparently Eva always knew 🤷🏿♀️
@Joe Greene Not about the switch point in the loop of time. Eva always knew about that, that's how she was able to maintain the loop, creating a version of herself that was able to survive and grow old despite Adam killing another version. And Claudia took all this time to find out about this and tell Adam, so that Jonas could break the loop
In my interpretation of the events, I think Claudia knew about the loop in time and used that to pass knowledge to the newer older version of herself and that's how she builds the knowledge to understand what was the origin of it all. Like, the moment we see with her other self has repeated a lot of times until so she could pass the knowledge she gained in each cycle to the other version and so on. As I said at the beginning, this is my interpretation of how Claudia could learn all about that.
@@beatrizoliveira9344 the loop isn't what Claudia needed from Eva, it was Eva`s family tree that she used.
@@florgi121 Humm, I actually like this explanation a lot. Thanks ☺️
The contrast between how I feel about Noah in season one and now, is huge. I hated him because he was evil in season one, but now I feel pity, and understand his character. I feel so bad for him.
That recap montage is as good as any show gets - every revelation and connection to prior episodes is so earned. You just know that they are going to nail the ending even though there's only one episode left.
The device on which Noah tortured children is something like a prototype of a time machine, they tested it on children. They wanted to create a time machine with which you can travel in time, not limited to 33 years. But they did not receive, so the children simply threw 33 years forward in time like Mads from 1986 to 2019 and 33 years ago like Yasin and Erik in 1953. Noah's motivation was also explained by Adam in this episode, it will lead him to Charlotte and to the last pages, which also says that Charlotte is his daughter. Adam already knows who his daughter is and where she is, so he lies to him so that he repeats the cycle. But Noah thinks that if he builds a time machine and can travel at any time, then he can return to the moment when his daughter was stolen and stop it.
This has to be my favorite episode by far! Seeing how everything was coming together and every character was in their position to start a new cycle and seeing how it all happened as it always has just made me realize how good this show was and how everything was connected from the beginning.
I've been wondering about how Jonas spent those 33 year gaps between his 3 selves for seasons. And now they gave all that and the same for many more characters in a single episode. Really my favorite of the whole show.
Noah to Helge in S01E10:
“Because we prefer any lie to feeling pain. Years ago, when I was a boy, a stranger came to us. He looked like he’s been in the war. He didn’t talk much. There was this sadness in his eyes. The kind you see in those who want to die, but life won’t let them. He rented a room in our home. The bedroom right next to mine. Many times he would talk in his sleep. Confused words. But this one night, he was suddenly very clear. He stood in the hallway with his eyes wide open and said, ‘Nothing is done in vain. Not a single breath. Not a single step, not a single word. Not any pain. It’s all an eternal wondrous miracle of the One.’ I couldn’t relate to his words. It was only years later, when I myself felt such a pain, that I truly understood what he meant. He meant that none of the horrible things that happen to us should be in vain. Those challenges make us who we are. That sadness can give us strength. Your pain defines who you are, Helge. But it no longer holds power over you.”
That man was his older self! The last few lines also tell us how his character became a bit more cold and kinda "evil" as time passed.
Oh damn you might be right!
I thought that he was refering to Jonas when he came to 1921 and was mistaken for a soldier. I got that idea after rewatching season 1 after season 2 came out and they showed Jonas while Noah was giving that speech.
But I always found it a bit odd because the words Noah was quoting were so unlike Jonas. Now it makes more sense.
@@AmarthwenNarmacil It doesn't really. Because the speech sounds like Noah, but the description is 100% Jonas. Noah never wanted to die, he wanted to find his daughter, keep his promise and reunite with her and Eli. Someone who wants to die but the world won't let him? That's Jonas.
I think they meant it to be Jonas in season 1 (which is why they showed him during the speech), but after they rewrote some things (like Noah's storyline - I'm pretty sure he was originally meant to be Agnes' husband), they tried to low key retcon it to be Noah - which doesn't fully work for me.
@@frakkintoasterluvva7920 As far as I know they wrote all 3 seasons before they even started filming season 1, so I don't think they could redcon much. I don't see why they would change that, anyway.
@@AmarthwenNarmacil They had the main point mapped, but they changed some things. Apparently, they've said that they got bored by what they wrote by the end of season 1 so they changed some plans. (I don't know the source - but Anthony James (The Culture Cave) is often referencing that interview.)
I'm sure that the main plot was planned from the start - as season 1 has lots of foreshadowing for things like Adam and Eva's plotline or the resolution (e.g. in the Ariadne play Martha performs). But I think you can notice some traces of things that were retconed: season 1 suggested that Noah was Agnes' ex and Tronte's father, and the man Noah spoke about in his speech was strongly hinted to be Jonas.
Another example is that, apparently, Helene Albers was first credited as Wolf in season 2, which was changed to Albers later - so, they probably did not initially plan to make that minor character Katharina's mother.
@@AmarthwenNarmacil I've found that interview where Jantje said they got bored while doing season 1 by what they had planned for season 2, so they rewrote some of it. It's from 2018.
ruclips.net/video/ZXdrrGTmvuc/видео.html
I like how the roles have changed by now. I remember thinking Noah, the mysterious dark priest was the mastermind when it all started, now he is just another piece on the table.
Season 1 Episode 5: Mikkel is Michael and Sonny: Damn, my head is exploding. Season 3 Episode 7: Silja is giving birth to Hanno aka Noah and Sonny: Oh! 05:51 😂
At first i thought they didn't realized who she gave birth to lol
Adam: "Remember how you thought I stole your daughter from you? Well it turns out it was you and her abducting her from you, so off you go and do that otherwise you won't be born and neither will she."
Charlotte: "I have to steal myself as a baby from my Mother/Daughter so I can be taken to my foster father so I can meet my husband so I can give birth to my Mother/Daughter and oh no I've gone cross eyed."
Well, you finally arrived to one of the episodes I enjoyed the most! I later learnt that a lot of people have a lot of mixed feelings about it but on my first watch I was mesmerized by it (and directly jumped to the last one, don't know how you have the strength to resist watching it hahaha). I guess for some it may be rushed but I think the timing fit the feeling.
I think I really liked the idea of seeing so many missing pieces coming into place and also watching the "behind the scenes" of the events we watched during the previous seasons. I read somewhere that the recap sequence also created this feeling of the audience now being an "older version" of the one who watched season 1 and 2 and how that (together with the information we have learnt) changes our perspective on those same events.
I swear I screamed with everything related to Claudia, I think her character is one of my favorites. It's great because once you think about it for a few moments, it makes a lot of sense for her to be able to figure out this mess. We'll see what she has to offer in the next episode 🤭
I was super interested in the future between the apocalypse and the 2053 we already knew. If anything, I would have loved to have a little bit more on that. Noah, Jonas and Charlotte must gone through a lot of things together. What I really likes was having so much insight into Noah's world, throughout all the seasons we see so much of his life and though the trauma of losing his daughter doesn't excuse his actions, you start to understand why he was so desperate to create a time machine and also why he was so conflicted about the existence of God and Paradise.
Can I also have a moment of praise for that little second after nothing happens when you can see the confusion and disappoinment in Adam's body language even before he opens his eyes? That was fantastic.
Okay, enough of writing. I'll be looking forward to the next reaction!! Can't believe you are about to finish Dark. Hopefully you'll like the finale! Have a nice week you two xx
And the cycle is completed!!
Not sure what you’re referring to. In the normal cycle, Claudia doesn’t come into the room at the end and explain everything to Adam. Instead he uses the Apple to travel to Eva’s world and kills her. Young altMartha finding her murdered body is what drives her to become Eva. Claudia coming into the room after Adam destroys the origin is the first time that has ever happened. It’s not part of the cycle at all.
@@spacecadet2172 I know all of this.. What I was referring to was how we see our Jonas becoming the stranger and the stranger becoming Adam..
I knew it wasn’t ordinary that Claudia was my fave character in this show. She’s very educated and it makes sense to me that she knew about the origin world.
Uro Boros oh c’mon, it was already obvious that she knew it all, at the end of this episode
3:02 thank you for getting the hint he gets scarred because of the electricity
I love how Kat never had something to say before the episode, is like a running gag at this point XD
It sure is!
The only time I have something to say is when I explain where it hurts/what bodypart I effed up this time 😂
7:41 "I've seen a world without you Jonas."
The montage scene.... Chills my favourite scene in season 3
13:39 Kat is like "Ah sh*t, Here we go again. I'm getting emotional."
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i think silja's scar was mostly there for jonas to realize that she's the girl from the future and send her there
Those kidnapped children's are just guineas pig for proto type time machine. It was also shown in S2 that everything needs evolutions so do time machines.
As for why Jonas sent his baby sister to the future, I heard a rather neat theory that he sent her to future Elizabeth after Charlotte was taken from her, so she could take Silja in and raise her, giving her some purpose and possibly preventing her from derailing completely.
It's similar to Charlotte being brought to Tannhaus after he lost his son, daughter-in-law and granddaughter in the car crash, he told teenage Charlotte about in one of the previous episodes.
That's actually a very solid theory, I like it
Also the pregnant Marta that Adam killed did not have the scar Eva gave/had. This leads me to believe there are two pregnant Martas, Adam only killed one of them which is why his plan didn't work because 'scarred Marta' is still on Eva's world and can still give birth to 'The Origin'. 2 pregnant Marta's, each on different sides, differentiated by the scar.
The "chamber" thing isn't really a strange thing here in Germany.
Back in this time a bedroom was called "Kammer".
It does not have the same meaning as these days.
That's right. Chamber is a small room, or better, a small storage room in a house. Just a small room.
Oh wow, we call bedroom "kamra" in urdu, it's kinda similar.
It always cracks me up when people immediately think gas chamber or torture chamber...
I just think chamber as in chamber maid...
We have the same thing in Denmark, "kammer".
But because we are not sufficient in "older" English a chamber seemed so dramatic
@@Crus3k Harry Potter and the Small Storage Room of Secrets
so young Noah killed his own dad in the beginning of season 2
Yep. And I recommend watching that whole scene with that knowledge. You can see how Noah is pained when he realizes that his father has lost faith and he has to kill him; and his conversation between young Noah and older Noah in the church afterwards.
In Evas world, old Egon showed up to bring her (Hannah) to middle aged Egon to have Silja. Then Silja had Hanno and Agnes with Bartosz again, and so one... 😅😂
Otherwise the loop couldn't continue like it happened before and therefore "Evas army" wouldn't be possible.
Seems like in Adams world things happened more natural than in Evas world. Just an interesting thought I wanted to point out.
Yeah correct... in evas world everything was a bit forceful
You guys weren't surprised to know that the whole Ulrich family exist because of Bartoz
Forget Bartosz, Egon is the real culprit... He's Silja's father and Bartosz's great-grandfather.
@@SingWhileYouMay dont forget The Unknown^^
@@AlexJones-ue1ll Its a circle so there's not a beginning
@@SingWhileYouMay it's a loop.... So either everybody's a culprit or nobody is....
@@Rash23215 Egon is not part of any loop, but he has a major part in starting it. Everyone who's part of the loop is just perpetuating it, not starting it.
Listening to you guys discussion helped me figure out what Noah read in the diary and why he tried to kill Adam
"Adam will send Charlotte and Elisabeth back to the past to abduct baby Charlotte to send her to Tannhaus in the 70's" and he tried to kill Adam so that'll never happen but he forgot the main rule that since Adam's older self existed (One who ordered the Kidnapping) he couldn't kill him and instead got killed by Agnes. It's been like 45 days since I've finished watching it and there's still stuff to figure out. Thanks, Guys
I haven’t watched 0308 yet, but I was also wondering why Noah ran test on those boys. It just dawned on me that maybe he was trying to find “The Origin”. I guess the test results were that those kids weren’t the origin, but Adam eventually figured it out after 66 years. 🤷🏾♀️
Im looking for instrumental music is repeated in Season 1 Episode 7 (about 3-4 minutes at the beginning when Jonas wakes up), then this music started at 7:00, Season 2 episode 7. When Hannah was about to go in the cave. And last 3 season, when the tannhaus enters the bunker after visiting the family tomb? It is an instrumental sound. Around 7:00 in the beginning.
I think they already explained the bit about the machine.
Adam has a working time machine, but it is an evolution of previous iterations which Noah tested. Adam practically explained it to Jonas in season 2. The working time machine would not have existed if Noah had not tested the previous versions first. Since the machine already exists, then the testing should also happen. That's why Adam has to send Noah to abduct children until he figures out a working machine - he simply wants to prolong the cycle.
Both Adam and Noah already know what is to happen - this is why the room has the wallpaper with three pictures because they would be abducting three children. They know it in advance and just follow the loop.
Older Egon brings Hannah back in time to meet his younger self which parallels Jonas’ world
Hannah - Silja - Agnus - Tronte - Ulrich - Mikkel - Jonus... Hannah has Jonus with her great-great-great-great-grandson... Full circle...
And, of course, it means Jonus comes from Bartosz... This episode really showed how complex this mess is...
When you realise that Egon is at the head of the family. Egon gave rise to Claudia whose daughter, Regina gave birth to Bartosz. Bartosz with Silja (who was also Egon's descendent) gave birth to Agnes and Noah. Anges gives birth to the Nielsen family which gives birth to the Kahnwald family. And Noah gives birth to the Doppler family. So really the four families are descendents of Egon.
No, the Doppler family is not really/entirely part of the Nielsen-Kahnwald-Tiedemann-Tauber knot. That's how Claudia at one point realises that there is a third world, outside of Adam's world and Eva's world. She played both sides to learn the entire family tree to confirm this. And then she kept travelling and repeating everything many times until she found the tool - when the time stood still for 1 nanosecond during the apocalypse - to send Jonas and Martha to the origin world, making Tannhaus not inventing time travel ...collapsing the knot.
If everybody would have been part of the incest family tree there would have been no way to resolve all these self-sustaining paradoxes.
@@bobbwc7011 But the people mentioned are descendants of Egon. They are also all descendants of Martha and Jonas. But unlike Martha and Jonas, Egon is not actually part of the loop, since he's not a descendant of any of these people (while Martha and Jonas are). This is why Claudia was able to untie the knot without risking it affecting her and
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Regina.
Just in case, I'll throw this out there. It's not necessarily that Jonas can't die, he just won't. No matter what the odds, he is alive in the future so he will not die before that time.
Yeah, were it not for Hanno/Noah, he _would have_ died hanging himself. But fate had it that Hanno/Noah did show up.
@@revylokesh1783 Very much so.
@MasterOnion North Read again mate, you're saying the same thing.
I need the reaction for the last episode. Love your reactions!
**Germans talk about a chamber**
"WAIT WHAT CHAMBER"
haha :D
I am being waiting for you guys to react to this episode.
Im gonna name the reason why Jonas can’t die : KAHNWALD’S LAW , it says that (X) in a loop can’t die because (X) already exist in some point of time inside the loop 😁 enforcing the theory that everything is already predestined
It's hard to tell if you like this episode lol
The machine was mentioned it just to keep everything in place like noah said all chess pieces beginning moved around, also yasin was killed is to stop him and Elizabeth,
She had to get with Noah
Hope you guys like the finale
And see if kat shed tears in a scene or too I certainly did lol.
I was thinking about how maybe Jonas not being able to kill himself also lead to Adam wanting to erase everything else. It would be the only way for him to find "peace", so over the years he got more and more desperate and stopped believing in anything else. Although trying to reach that goal made his own life more and more miserable as well, but since it's a loop he couldn't stop it.
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Can't wait to see your reaction to the last episode.
There's just so much that we don't know. So much that we are never shown.
Silja, for example. It is never mentioned in the show itself, but on the official site, it is stated that Silja is born in the 80's.
So we have to conclude that Hannah, after breaking up with Egon in the 50's, used her time machine again to travel to the 80's, had her child and raised her for some years.
Where was she living? Winden? Alongside her own younger self, and the older version of her ex-lover/father-of-her-child? What name would she have been using? Silja's last name is given as Tiedemann, after her father. But she couldn't have used that in Winden, with the Tiedemanns still going strong there. Katharina Nielsen would also have been dangerous... with the original Katharina and her Ulrich being around.
Fundamentally irrelevant for the story... but one of the "that would have been an interesting thing to know" items.
And an even darker thought about Hannah's alternative self: there she is, without any idea about "time-travel", pregnant, having a miscarriage... and suddenly the old policeman from her childhood is standing in front of her. Taking her to God-knows-where-and-when... for the sole purpose to have his child.
Most people assumed that Old Egon took her back to the 50's in the Alt-World to hook her up with his young self. But considering the very direct approach that Eva takes in so many situations... why bother? There's a Hannah, here's an Egon... do your job and create your family tree, old man!
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5:36 His hair is perfect, ready to be The Stranger 😂
Chamber is the old word for bedroom... So it's correct for the time in which they are...
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Good reacton, guys!
While all the jumping through time was a bit confusing it also filled in a lot of gaps and explained the motivation for the characters. I loved the way they did it and the recap montage was great (and had another piece of amazing music).
Out of curiiosity: Kat, what's up with your t-shirt? It looks like a personalized part of a uniform for some biohazard-fighting squad. :-)
Hahahahha you can call us a biohazard fighting squad..
But it's from a "cabaret" / revue (?) with the molecular biomedicine+ biochemistry students. We do skits and songs and dancing about science and things going on in the world right now. We're called MBK, and this was the t-shirt we had for that year. It's super awesome and soft and good quality, that's why I sometimes use it.
A bedroom was once called a bed chamber. I think that’s where the confusion was there.
Maybe it was suggested already but another German show Babylon, Berlin would be worth a shot.
Charlotte and Elisabeth are just Paradox, you can't even fuck a timeloop that much up, that your mother can be your daughter.
Bartosz found another girl & was like Martha who lol ?
I only wonder who played younger Adam who strangled Hannah. It was clearly not the original actor but I can't decide whether it is Lous Hoffmann or Andreas Pietschmann...
It was Andreas
And now the knot begins to untie .....
The final episode would be great Ending than any other series "paradise"
It feels like you guys are burn out on the show, or something. My hands were up in the air at several points during this episode. It's a sad, surprising, and revealing episode and I think it was one of the best ones. Hope the finale satisfies your expectations.
Not burned out at all, more like exhausted 😂
But yes it was an amazing episode, and the finale.. DAMN!
Last episode will destroy you emotionally
Die Kammer (aka the chamber) means just bedroom in German.
Kat he yeeted her into future because he had already seen her there.
You’re forgetting a few things-
Adam sends Charlotte and Elizabeth to kidnap baby Charlotte and bring her to Tannhaus.
Also, we already know what’s in the missing pages from the book
Egon went to save hannah she did miscarriage Ulrich baby. (Keep the family tree going ) why egon was sent there from eva etc
She did have as you know silja by egon so you did get your answer
The kids question was answered too and the missing pages lol
Till the finale hope you guys are happy with it.
Love your reaction! Hope to see you react to 13 reasons why
1st cycle: Jonas sent in 19th century to become Adam. 2nd Cycle: Eva brings Jonas to her world. 3rd cycle: Adam get pre-Eva to kill the Origin
There is no different cycle. Its all simultaneously. The End is the Beginning and the Beginning is the End.
@@Swizz1st yes. But in Adam perspective, there is some main event that change the timeline. And logically, event can be putted in a linear state. There was always a first time for something (in my opinion Charlotte was clearly sent to Tannhaus in the first place to prevent him to create the time machine)
Not to objectify, but Kat looks great in this in my opinion. I greatly prefer reality over "perfect" makeup and such. Keep being awesome.
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@@KatSonny Sonny a;lways looks great, btw. :) What's Sonny short for? The name, I mean. Not the dude. :D
@@Jim73 Thanks! And Sonny isn't short for anything, it's just my name 😄
Now I had some very mixed feelings about this episode. The negatives I felt were this was way too much. It felt like oh crap we have so much to wrap up let’s put it all in one episode. There was so much frustration through the first half of the season, I can’t help but think if the stuff in this episode was given more time to develop and spread out, would that elevate the frustration? I felt this episode had a lot of plot and no story, if that makes sense. It didn’t feel like there was ever room to breathe , to grief, to experience what the characters where feeling.
I agree. This was really feeling rushed to cram all the missing pieces, and fill plot holes before the last episode. This should have been shown in several more episodes in a 4th Season. But the creators had already limited their time from the start to only 3 seasons. I know they made some changes as they progressed and really this was way too much for only one episode!
why does kat never has anything to say before the start of the episode?
because she does not
What should I say?
It seems pointless. I don't want to talk just to say something.
One more
If EGON from the Adam's world, already had HANNAH pregnant in the 50s...
Then what exactly did the alternate EGON accomplish ?? 🤔🤔😂
He took Hannah of other world back to 50s in Eva world. Hannah's current pregnancy was a miscarriage. This Hannah will have a child with younger Egon. The child being Silja
@@cricketcsk03 The original Hanna was already pregnant with younger EGON, and she successfully gave birth to Silja...
So now my question to you is
If EGON from the Adam's world, already had HANNAH pregnant in the 50s...
Then what exactly did the alternate EGON accomplish with ALTERNATE HANNA ?? 🤔🤔😂
@@cricketcsk03 Also the ALTERNATE WORLD HANNA had a Miscarriage, if you forgot, so Silja has to be the daughter of Original HANNA
Yes, that scene where Eva mobilizes her army, she gives all of them individual tasks that help establishing what's needed to keep the loop going in her world. Not everything is spelled out, but figuring it all out is part of the fun.
@@SingWhileYouMay Exactly and we still don't know what exactly did Alternate old EGON did with already miscarriaged ALTERNATE HANNA 😂😂😂
You guys look a bit bored/over this show. What a shame.
We're not.
We're exhausted.
Sonny edits 5-7 days a week, and we react to A L L the shows in one or two days, as Kat also has to tend to her life on the side, as she makes NO money from this, and has to work full-time.
Watching a lot of shows in crazy summer heat takes a bit of a toll on the brain, especially with series like Dark, that is very thought-demanding.
You shaming us is condescending, and that is both rude and entitled.