The fact that Brandon was just like "You guys know all this about dragons, right?" after having said only things we DIDN'T know about dragons, is hilarious.
Evgeni's take on the dragon's research is the problem with modern research, everything has to be "for something", anything we discover has to have a purpose. This is a problem because it directs funds to only what can make make a profit instead of broadening our understanding of the natural world in a curious and naive way.
Wasn't Lift's whole "blessing" that she didn't want to change/grow up? And yet, we see her age through the story... What if the change that the old magic is actually preventing is her metamorphosis into a dragon?
I am completely on team How To Lift Your Dragon. I also think that possible Brandon Dragon Riders series is totally dragons riding dragons given this new lifecycle information. Humanoid teens ride the dragons and learn how to dragon. (My bet is the spores on Lumar release water vapour when they decompose so that the water cycle can continue to function.)
I am continuously surprised by how much I don't know about the greater Cosmere. You guys should seriously consider making a 100 series and a 200 series of "What is the Cosmere: Lore"
I think Connection is probably like gravitational attraction. Its force can get infinitely small, but no matter how far you are from another object, your attraction towards it technically never reaches zero.
Based on the fact that Brandon considered using a Tamu Kek instead of a Seon for Shallan's plotline in RoW I think it's quite likely Tamu Keks can be used to communicate with more than just dragons. This isn't 100% of course since it hasn't appeared on page, but Brandon wouldn't have considered it if it wasn't an idea he was at least toying with.
On the topic of dragon nicknames I had a theory on that from when Tress came out. My idea was basically that each (major) dragon has three names. A Sho Del name, a human name, and a dragon name: - The most familiar name like Foil or Frost is the dragon name that equals use to address them (so vessels and other dragons mostly) - She Who Brings the Dew at Dawn seems like a name you'd give to a divine being but we haven't seen any other vessels get that kind of name so I think it's a title the Sho Del have for her - Xisisrefliel and Koravellium Avast/Koravari would be the human one to fit the pattern Based on this, I would expect that Karavari's "dragon name" is Dew or Dawn (hopefully not Dawn because that would be confusing with Dawnshards). I also think that Foil and Frost might be clues to their "Sho Del name". I think I've seen stuff like "He Who Foils the Plans of His Rivals" or something for Xisis. Maybe Frost could be something like "He who Follows the Frost of Night" or something.
I think the light eyes dark eyes thing was put to bed when we discovered light eyes are just descendants of radiants. Now that you have dark eyes becoming radiants again it makes it hard to assert superiority
RE Jessie’s second question in the segment about Kelsier and the Orb of the Ire, whether or not he could have been able to Connect to Autonomy using purified Dor. What if it’s a matter of amount of Investiture? Recent events in Sunlit Man show us how Aux was able to Connect Sig to Canticle using what was ostensibly “little” Investiture, which could be due to Sig being geographically there. Also, in Secret History we see that the Ire bring their Orb of pure Dor to Scadrial’s Cognitive Realm to try to Ascend to Preservation which, even though pure, did not seem like a great amount of Investiture. What if, then, Connection through Investiture worked in a similar way to electricity on Earth? In world, they are both forms of energy, so there’s that. So with electricity, two sources could connect through arcs; the two key parameters being “power“ (I think in the real world this is Voltage and difference in electric potential from one pole to the other, but since I’m not an expert I will use the term “power” to simplify things) and distance: the shorter the distance, the less amount of power required for an arc connection, and vice versa. This also would be consistent with what we’ve seen Connection is like: electricity flows through the path of least resistance, but what is the least resistant path can change when there is a previous connection; which sounds awfully similar to the way Connection works in the Cosmere, particularly in what’s related to Shards. And so, Brandon always says something along the lines of “everything is somewhat Connected in the Cosmere because everything is made of Investiture and it has the same origin and blablala” (exact quote, by the way). All this is what makes me think that, theoretically, and with potentially unachievable amounts of Investiture, someone could Connect themselves to whatever they wanted to in the whole Cosmere. It would also make sense in the way that Shards can just Invest and Connect things to them and them to things as they please to some extent, but when they need more control, EG: Autonomy in Scadrial, they send Avatars to the geographical location to directly Invest there and make a stronger Connection. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. This is the second time I type this whole wall of text because my browser decided to crash and I’m triggered that I had to think of everything again.
I've been listening to the podcast for years. First time watching it on YT and now I feel like I've missed out on so many jokes that are in these videos!
My theory about the dragon nicknames is that they are related to what their dragonsteel looks like. Foil is rather silvery, Frost bluish white glimmer.
13:00 coral is colored due to symbiotic algae 37:00 by that time they probably know about antimatter, specifically positrons by technology alone 40:00 presumably a dragon bone would work. That is why every dragon would kill you for using one. They don't want to be hunted. 41:00 going by Brandon's remark in the interview on Shardcast on Rhythm of War about being unsure whether to use a seon or a tamu kek, they function as universal communication 50:30 There is still hope for hot interaction between humans and Sho Del. 56:00 Is a maggot a fly? Mentally speaking? 1:00:00 She'd surely look different in Shadesmar, if she were a dragon. Do you really think Jasnah has never looked at the radiants in Urithiru? 1:02:00 He lives long enough to see lakes become land and waterfalls moving. Water means more to them. 1:03:00 Centuries later. He has learned to control the aethers. He has moved on. 1:06:00 Did Argent propose to her? 1:28:30 Going by Allomancer Jak an aluminium box will do the job. 1:30:00 That Inquisitors did so does not mean that the method was very good. 1:52:00 Cord shooting Nale? Wasn't that with a grandbow?
I think the ONLY way to try to do the Darkeyes story again is if Moash gets a redemption. In fact, narratively Moash being the vehicle through which the Darkeyes gain liberation, and tieing that directly into liberation for the Listerners too, would probably be the best way of having a Moash redemption arc. It is the injustice of the Alethi system that drove him bad, having it be his salvation would work very well as doing the reverse, I think. Although If I was going to be honest, I would imagine that Brandon has simply decided he isn't that interested in it, and we wont see a satisfying conclusion to those earlier narrative arcs.
Maybe Lyft is a dragon but her boon from the nightwatcher prevents her from changing into a dragon not changing at all like she wanted. Because we still need answers to what her boon does because she is obviously changing and growing up so what change did she prevent.
1:39:34 There's also the thing where Preservation gave him the mandate to SURVIVE, and also the thing where he's the reason Kel is a Cognitive Shadow. And I suspect Kel would resist relinquishing those Connections.
Re: cast system critique through surgebinder eyes... we can have surgebinders who are PoV characters who refuse the cultural and political power of being a Knight Radiant even while progressing their oaths. I think this would be a good way of incorporating this kind of character into a story centered on the re-introduction of surgebinders into the world.
On the Wob About Kel and the Connection Orb... Is it a stretch to consider the possibility Brandon conflated the orb for Preservation with all the Jars the Ire used to stay fully functional ?
39:53 I wonder what needs to happen to a Sho Del bone to turn it into a Tamu Kek, if anything. Because if it's just like that (tm), that would imply the existence of a cosmere-wide party line between every Sho Del still extant, and everyone who has a Tamu Kek in their possession. Which might be a spicy addition to the worldbuilding.
I wonder if the weird weather patterns in the crimson sea or because of a certain dragon doing experiments with the water cycle underneath the crimson sea
57:23 are we arguing here that lifts pov show someone thinking just like a normal human? I'm not sure enough on that, not that i think she is a dragon but if she is i bet people will argue well she always was odd
1:20:43 Outside of or on top of? These are different things. At a certain point either the Radiants work to undo the class structure or they are complicit in it because, as Radiant and having the power and authority to do something, you either saw there was something wrong and did nothing or did not believe there was anything wrong in the first place. The Radiants don't get to be outside of this question. At least not as the dark-eyes would see it.
With the thing of dragons going back to back brom human to Fain, I start to theorise that dragons are (or were in their first stances) humans or life who where half fained? Like they are half normal biology and half fain, so it would explain how they would interact with humans "so much" even tho they are fain
Probably waaaaaay too late to this game. But 1:04:51 - why would you study the water cycle? He isnt JUST studying the water cycle. He is studying the LIFE CYCLE of Aethers. Aethers are key to the eventual technological progression and space travel. Knowing how to sustainably breed, store, and manipulate Aethers has some MAJOR eventual consequences......
On Tamu keks, didn’t Brandon say that originally that’s what shallan used to call Hoid in row? Then he changed it to a seon. Even if that’s not canon, that seems to imply that any two tamu keks can communicate…
Agreed. I think acknowledging that Jasnah is addressing the slavery problem is enough to have on screen for us to know that she'll keep working on society.
so listen y'all... Maggy was actually the ancient daughter of Koravellium and Tan Avast, and thus her descendants eventually produce Kaladin the bridgeman, well known Son of Honor, who is unfortunately not a surprise-dragon due to dilution of the bloodline. Boom.
The biggest reason I would discount Lift being a dragon is that dragons are Fain, and hence hexapodal; their juvenile forms would likely be as well. Unless Lift has an extra set of arms somewhere, Lift is not a dragon.
(I don't think Lift is a dragon either, for what it's worth, but a plain read of what Brandon said indicates they live as humans for part of the life cycle. Also note what Brandon said about Hoid getting Frost. He couldn't tell Frost was a dragon, and thought he was an old man, until the tamu kek.) -Eric
The quote says humanoid, not human. Granted, I would say this means that we still don't have enough information on what these young dragons look like. "The greater dragons, as well call them, they're basically like amphibians, they have to spend a part of their life cycle in a humanoid form. They give birth in humanoid form, then have a transformation in puberty to dragon form, and then can go back and forth after that. But we've got some Anne McCaffrey style dragons, we've even got some little drakelings on one planet that are not six limbed and stuff like that." @@17thShard
Why are you guys so against Lift being a dragon? What part of her character does it negatively impact for you? Don't really understand the antipathy... As for teenage dragons being different to humans, Lift has definitely been noticeably odd for time. Her request to Cultivation was to "not change", and she thinks of it as her not growing up. It's an anxiety that could make a lot of sense for someone who might turn into a dragon during puberty. (Also, she could be half-human)
Really shocked no one on shardcast thinks moash will get a redemption arc. Redemption seems so fundamental to the knights radiant it seems absurd to me that moash would not redeem himself by the end of the series.
I think the common belief is that he is a character who is choosing not to follow that path. I wouldn’t be against it happening or say it’s impossible, but so far narratively he’s just kept digging himself deeper and isn’t accepting what he’s done as his fault (which was critical to Dalinar). I’m sure if his redemption happens, it’ll be interesting, but I feel like lots of people just feel like the story isnt giving him that direction as it stands now
@@haldalas Dalinar spent years and years lost in drink before starting on his path of redemption, I believe there is a 20 year time skip between books 5 and 6. So moash has time assuming he lives though book 5.
@@17thShard different people come to different conclusions about the same books all the time on the podcast. If they had read white sand one of them would could likely contribute a theory to the discussion, maybe nothing would change, but at least for the tress discussion I feel that white sand does count. Even if only the copper mind articles on the sand and biology of taldain.
@@randomshit1385to be clear I’ve read the first two volumes of White Sand and disliked them so much that I felt no interest in finishing it. Regardless, people don’t need to contribute theories to every topic.
I’m also aware enough of the magic mechanics of Taldain through the the essay and the Coppermind to understand what is going on even if I don’t know it all off the top of my head, which really, none of us do.
@@JessietheSleepyKoala True you don't all need to contribute to every topic, I just think that you all think differently from each other and quite often come up with different theories. If you have read the coppermind that's fine, I take back my critiscism, as realmatic knowledge is all that matters for this particular discussion (and most others). Something I like about this channel is the diversity of opinions and perspectives and I felt that it would be diminished if not all the participants had a perspective of their own to give, but instead had the knowledge filtered through another member's perspective. The theories you come up with are going to differ from evgenni's and vice versa, and you don't have to have a theory on all topics but if instead of reading about the magic you had it delivered by evgenni's biases you might not come up with a theory you would have otherwise.
I feel like Silverlight will be like London with new architecture mingled with old historical buildings. So it might have been built in the early days and they have a Cambridge or Edinburgh university with old architecture coupled with new architecture as new individuals come from other systems that are more advanced and as dragons observe the greater cosmere. I hope it's not a sci-fi city and is rather a combination where you have new architecture, transportation, and communication but you could go around a corner and find a statue or building a thousand years old that has it's own story and significance.
So what if the water cycle on Lumar involves the water and aethers having natural occurring luhel bonds (where the water doesn't just make the aether explode) and hence if one can figure out how this occurs naturally, one could continue to create mechanical luhel bonds with aethers that don't involve a person being involved and without these aethers going bonkers hence aether fabrials.
The fact that Brandon was just like "You guys know all this about dragons, right?" after having said only things we DIDN'T know about dragons, is hilarious.
Evgeni's take on the dragon's research is the problem with modern research, everything has to be "for something", anything we discover has to have a purpose. This is a problem because it directs funds to only what can make make a profit instead of broadening our understanding of the natural world in a curious and naive way.
Wasn't Lift's whole "blessing" that she didn't want to change/grow up? And yet, we see her age through the story... What if the change that the old magic is actually preventing is her metamorphosis into a dragon?
Also, has anyone ever asked Brandon what would happen if Lift were given the Change Dawnshard?
What if Lift’s ability to turn food into investiture is a dragon thing and not strictly a Cultivation blessing? That would be very interesting.
The way Argent was describing his vision of the red coral spikes made me realize he'd probably be a really good D&D DM
I haven't DM'd since I was like... 13, maybe, so I'll accept the compliment at face value :D
Stormlight 5 hype is gaining traction in my mind now… it’s gonna be a long year 😩
Time for another reread lol
I am completely on team How To Lift Your Dragon.
I also think that possible Brandon Dragon Riders series is totally dragons riding dragons given this new lifecycle information. Humanoid teens ride the dragons and learn how to dragon.
(My bet is the spores on Lumar release water vapour when they decompose so that the water cycle can continue to function.)
How To Liff Your Dragon is an excellent name! 😂
I am continuously surprised by how much I don't know about the greater Cosmere. You guys should seriously consider making a 100 series and a 200 series of "What is the Cosmere: Lore"
I think Connection is probably like gravitational attraction. Its force can get infinitely small, but no matter how far you are from another object, your attraction towards it technically never reaches zero.
Based on the fact that Brandon considered using a Tamu Kek instead of a Seon for Shallan's plotline in RoW I think it's quite likely Tamu Keks can be used to communicate with more than just dragons. This isn't 100% of course since it hasn't appeared on page, but Brandon wouldn't have considered it if it wasn't an idea he was at least toying with.
On the topic of dragon nicknames I had a theory on that from when Tress came out. My idea was basically that each (major) dragon has three names. A Sho Del name, a human name, and a dragon name:
- The most familiar name like Foil or Frost is the dragon name that equals use to address them (so vessels and other dragons mostly)
- She Who Brings the Dew at Dawn seems like a name you'd give to a divine being but we haven't seen any other vessels get that kind of name so I think it's a title the Sho Del have for her
- Xisisrefliel and Koravellium Avast/Koravari would be the human one to fit the pattern
Based on this, I would expect that Karavari's "dragon name" is Dew or Dawn (hopefully not Dawn because that would be confusing with Dawnshards). I also think that Foil and Frost might be clues to their "Sho Del name". I think I've seen stuff like "He Who Foils the Plans of His Rivals" or something for Xisis. Maybe Frost could be something like "He who Follows the Frost of Night" or something.
She Who Brings the Dew at Dawn certainly sounds like a religious title/name. Perhaps its her title within the group of her followers/corporation?
Alyx you're editing is top notch 👌
Instantly distracted and off topic. Yet, we all know what we are clicking into by now and are still here. Thanks guys.
Lift is TOTALLY a dragon nickname
She who Lifts the Lavis at Lunchtime
I love Shardcast so much
Yes! So excited to hear your takes! Always want more! The secrets, I want to know them all! 😅
Argent to Xisis: Why don't you get a useful degree? /s
He is lucky he is old money...
Kaise was a fine answer to the WTCC question even without The Lost Metal. Even back in Elantris as a child she knew 5 languages.
Watching this now with Secret Project 5 on the horizon is very amusing 😂
I think the light eyes dark eyes thing was put to bed when we discovered light eyes are just descendants of radiants. Now that you have dark eyes becoming radiants again it makes it hard to assert superiority
RE Jessie’s second question in the segment about Kelsier and the Orb of the Ire, whether or not he could have been able to Connect to Autonomy using purified Dor. What if it’s a matter of amount of Investiture?
Recent events in Sunlit Man show us how Aux was able to Connect Sig to Canticle using what was ostensibly “little” Investiture, which could be due to Sig being geographically there. Also, in Secret History we see that the Ire bring their Orb of pure Dor to Scadrial’s Cognitive Realm to try to Ascend to Preservation which, even though pure, did not seem like a great amount of Investiture.
What if, then, Connection through Investiture worked in a similar way to electricity on Earth? In world, they are both forms of energy, so there’s that. So with electricity, two sources could connect through arcs; the two key parameters being “power“ (I think in the real world this is Voltage and difference in electric potential from one pole to the other, but since I’m not an expert I will use the term “power” to simplify things) and distance: the shorter the distance, the less amount of power required for an arc connection, and vice versa. This also would be consistent with what we’ve seen Connection is like: electricity flows through the path of least resistance, but what is the least resistant path can change when there is a previous connection; which sounds awfully similar to the way Connection works in the Cosmere, particularly in what’s related to Shards.
And so, Brandon always says something along the lines of “everything is somewhat Connected in the Cosmere because everything is made of Investiture and it has the same origin and blablala” (exact quote, by the way). All this is what makes me think that, theoretically, and with potentially unachievable amounts of Investiture, someone could Connect themselves to whatever they wanted to in the whole Cosmere.
It would also make sense in the way that Shards can just Invest and Connect things to them and them to things as they please to some extent, but when they need more control, EG: Autonomy in Scadrial, they send Avatars to the geographical location to directly Invest there and make a stronger Connection.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk. This is the second time I type this whole wall of text because my browser decided to crash and I’m triggered that I had to think of everything again.
Yeah this is basically my thought as well, though my analogy is sub-atomic particles and atoms instead of electricity. But exact same idea.
@39:30 I had forgotten about the humanoid lizard in Tress... is it possible that is an adolescent dragon in its 'puberty' transformation stage?
With AonDor involved, it could really be anything. It's the most "A wizard did it" of any of Sanderson's magic systems.
Very interesting when I heard Brandon talk about the human life cycle of great dragons. Interested to learn more about that
I've been listening to the podcast for years. First time watching it on YT and now I feel like I've missed out on so many jokes that are in these videos!
Time for a rewatch then!
I assumed Cultivation's nickname is "Slammer" because according to a WoB that's what Hoid calls her
BREAKING: Shodel Warming responsible for destruction of the Great Barrier Reef
I wonder why Kelsier hasn't used a stamp to get his powers back. What is stopping him? Is it him deciding not to, or is it not possible?
Investiture interferes with Investiture - maybe he doesn't want to risk destabilizing the hemalurgy setup he has going?
My theory about the dragon nicknames is that they are related to what their dragonsteel looks like. Foil is rather silvery, Frost bluish white glimmer.
13:00 coral is colored due to symbiotic algae
37:00 by that time they probably know about antimatter, specifically positrons by technology alone
40:00 presumably a dragon bone would work. That is why every dragon would kill you for using one. They don't want to be hunted.
41:00 going by Brandon's remark in the interview on Shardcast on Rhythm of War about being unsure whether to use a seon or a tamu kek, they function as universal communication
50:30 There is still hope for hot interaction between humans and Sho Del.
56:00 Is a maggot a fly? Mentally speaking?
1:00:00 She'd surely look different in Shadesmar, if she were a dragon. Do you really think Jasnah has never looked at the radiants in Urithiru?
1:02:00 He lives long enough to see lakes become land and waterfalls moving. Water means more to them.
1:03:00 Centuries later. He has learned to control the aethers. He has moved on.
1:06:00 Did Argent propose to her?
1:28:30 Going by Allomancer Jak an aluminium box will do the job.
1:30:00 That Inquisitors did so does not mean that the method was very good.
1:52:00 Cord shooting Nale? Wasn't that with a grandbow?
I think the ONLY way to try to do the Darkeyes story again is if Moash gets a redemption. In fact, narratively Moash being the vehicle through which the Darkeyes gain liberation, and tieing that directly into liberation for the Listerners too, would probably be the best way of having a Moash redemption arc.
It is the injustice of the Alethi system that drove him bad, having it be his salvation would work very well as doing the reverse, I think.
Although If I was going to be honest, I would imagine that Brandon has simply decided he isn't that interested in it, and we wont see a satisfying conclusion to those earlier narrative arcs.
Just imagine Kelsier vs dragon, I won't elaborate, I don't need to, everyone knows how cool that is
1:28:45 Plague does in fact still happen. There are a handful of cases every year in the US. But it’s treatable because antibiotics.
Thank god for modern medicine
Maybe Lyft is a dragon but her boon from the nightwatcher prevents her from changing into a dragon not changing at all like she wanted. Because we still need answers to what her boon does because she is obviously changing and growing up so what change did she prevent.
1:39:34 There's also the thing where Preservation gave him the mandate to SURVIVE, and also the thing where he's the reason Kel is a Cognitive Shadow. And I suspect Kel would resist relinquishing those Connections.
Re: cast system critique through surgebinder eyes... we can have surgebinders who are PoV characters who refuse the cultural and political power of being a Knight Radiant even while progressing their oaths. I think this would be a good way of incorporating this kind of character into a story centered on the re-introduction of surgebinders into the world.
Urithiru has got to be a dragon palace or at least modeled after one right?
Omg, you’ve blown my mind. I really want this to be true now!
Evgeni reminded me of Kevin Smith at the start
The bows were mentioned in oathbringer Kal put some targets on a distant mountain for them to practice
Doesn't rock use one to kill amaram
On the Wob About Kel and the Connection Orb... Is it a stretch to consider the possibility Brandon conflated the orb for Preservation with all the Jars the Ire used to stay fully functional ?
39:53 I wonder what needs to happen to a Sho Del bone to turn it into a Tamu Kek, if anything. Because if it's just like that (tm), that would imply the existence of a cosmere-wide party line between every Sho Del still extant, and everyone who has a Tamu Kek in their possession. Which might be a spicy addition to the worldbuilding.
I wonder if the weird weather patterns in the crimson sea or because of a certain dragon doing experiments with the water cycle underneath the crimson sea
The ending of this episode was beautiful.
57:23 are we arguing here that lifts pov show someone thinking just like a normal human? I'm not sure enough on that, not that i think she is a dragon but if she is i bet people will argue well she always was odd
Perfect timing! Just finished the previous video and fine that this was released 7 minutes ago!
'yer a dragon, Harry'
Imagine how insane Dragon Hogwarts would be in the Cosmere?
I love you sillies
Argent is an avatar of Whimsy
1:20:43 Outside of or on top of? These are different things. At a certain point either the Radiants work to undo the class structure or they are complicit in it because, as Radiant and having the power and authority to do something, you either saw there was something wrong and did nothing or did not believe there was anything wrong in the first place. The Radiants don't get to be outside of this question. At least not as the dark-eyes would see it.
Love you guys, thanks for the great content.
We all know that Cultivation's nickname is Slammer, which means I am introducing the theory that all of the dragon nicknames are given to them by Hoid
With the thing of dragons going back to back brom human to Fain, I start to theorise that dragons are (or were in their first stances) humans or life who where half fained? Like they are half normal biology and half fain, so it would explain how they would interact with humans "so much" even tho they are fain
Sitting here wondering where Jesse went to school because my university also has a castle that is mainly administrative offices but also a few dorms.
University of Sydney :)
Probably waaaaaay too late to this game. But 1:04:51 - why would you study the water cycle? He isnt JUST studying the water cycle. He is studying the LIFE CYCLE of Aethers. Aethers are key to the eventual technological progression and space travel. Knowing how to sustainably breed, store, and manipulate Aethers has some MAJOR eventual consequences......
On Tamu keks, didn’t Brandon say that originally that’s what shallan used to call Hoid in row? Then he changed it to a seon. Even if that’s not canon, that seems to imply that any two tamu keks can communicate…
Stormlight will treat the colonisation problem, I don't think there will be enough space to talk about economic justice too
Agreed. I think acknowledging that Jasnah is addressing the slavery problem is enough to have on screen for us to know that she'll keep working on society.
Just saying… Lift as a name does fit with the dragon naming scheme
Also, Hoid calls Cultivation Slammer, at one point yeah?
so listen y'all... Maggy was actually the ancient daughter of Koravellium and Tan Avast, and thus her descendants eventually produce Kaladin the bridgeman, well known Son of Honor, who is unfortunately not a surprise-dragon due to dilution of the bloodline. Boom.
If you are interested in the human form born dragons becoming dragons, check out the book Bradley's Dragon. That's kind of what it's about!
The biggest reason I would discount Lift being a dragon is that dragons are Fain, and hence hexapodal; their juvenile forms would likely be as well. Unless Lift has an extra set of arms somewhere, Lift is not a dragon.
This is demonstrably not what Brandon said. He explicitly said they were born into human form. -Eric
(I don't think Lift is a dragon either, for what it's worth, but a plain read of what Brandon said indicates they live as humans for part of the life cycle. Also note what Brandon said about Hoid getting Frost. He couldn't tell Frost was a dragon, and thought he was an old man, until the tamu kek.) -Eric
The quote says humanoid, not human. Granted, I would say this means that we still don't have enough information on what these young dragons look like.
"The greater dragons, as well call them, they're basically like amphibians, they have to spend a part of their life cycle in a humanoid form. They give birth in humanoid form, then have a transformation in puberty to dragon form, and then can go back and forth after that. But we've got some Anne McCaffrey style dragons, we've even got some little drakelings on one planet that are not six limbed and stuff like that." @@17thShard
Lift would be a good nickname for a dragon….
WOOOOOO
How to Teen Your Dragon: A Discussion
Could the cognitive anomaly be related to a huge population of lifeless having a smidgen of consciousness?
Getting tenure at dragon university
As for half shards, I can’t remember what Ian’s stance was, but I probably disagreed. #mattwasright 😂
Why are you guys so against Lift being a dragon? What part of her character does it negatively impact for you? Don't really understand the antipathy...
As for teenage dragons being different to humans, Lift has definitely been noticeably odd for time. Her request to Cultivation was to "not change", and she thinks of it as her not growing up. It's an anxiety that could make a lot of sense for someone who might turn into a dragon during puberty. (Also, she could be half-human)
It totally makes sense that Lift could be a dragon, but I’m trying not to get my hopes attached to the theory!
Would you say that the secret dragon would be AHAB, assigned human at birth? Thus, it'd be more accurate to call them a trans dragon
Really shocked no one on shardcast thinks moash will get a redemption arc. Redemption seems so fundamental to the knights radiant it seems absurd to me that moash would not redeem himself by the end of the series.
I think the common belief is that he is a character who is choosing not to follow that path. I wouldn’t be against it happening or say it’s impossible, but so far narratively he’s just kept digging himself deeper and isn’t accepting what he’s done as his fault (which was critical to Dalinar). I’m sure if his redemption happens, it’ll be interesting, but I feel like lots of people just feel like the story isnt giving him that direction as it stands now
Oh, no, I'm totally down!
I hope he doesn't. Not everybody is redeemable
@@haldalas Dalinar spent years and years lost in drink before starting on his path of redemption, I believe there is a 20 year time skip between books 5 and 6. So moash has time assuming he lives though book 5.
I wouldn't want it in Stormlight 5, but in the back half, why not
I dislike how not all the people on the podcasts have read all the books
White Sand doesn't count! I don't think people are missing much. -Eric
@@17thShard different people come to different conclusions about the same books all the time on the podcast. If they had read white sand one of them would could likely contribute a theory to the discussion, maybe nothing would change, but at least for the tress discussion I feel that white sand does count. Even if only the copper mind articles on the sand and biology of taldain.
@@randomshit1385to be clear I’ve read the first two volumes of White Sand and disliked them so much that I felt no interest in finishing it.
Regardless, people don’t need to contribute theories to every topic.
I’m also aware enough of the magic mechanics of Taldain through the the essay and the Coppermind to understand what is going on even if I don’t know it all off the top of my head, which really, none of us do.
@@JessietheSleepyKoala True you don't all need to contribute to every topic, I just think that you all think differently from each other and quite often come up with different theories. If you have read the coppermind that's fine, I take back my critiscism, as realmatic knowledge is all that matters for this particular discussion (and most others). Something I like about this channel is the diversity of opinions and perspectives and I felt that it would be diminished if not all the participants had a perspective of their own to give, but instead had the knowledge filtered through another member's perspective. The theories you come up with are going to differ from evgenni's and vice versa, and you don't have to have a theory on all topics but if instead of reading about the magic you had it delivered by evgenni's biases you might not come up with a theory you would have otherwise.
I feel like Silverlight will be like London with new architecture mingled with old historical buildings. So it might have been built in the early days and they have a Cambridge or Edinburgh university with old architecture coupled with new architecture as new individuals come from other systems that are more advanced and as dragons observe the greater cosmere. I hope it's not a sci-fi city and is rather a combination where you have new architecture, transportation, and communication but you could go around a corner and find a statue or building a thousand years old that has it's own story and significance.
So what if the water cycle on Lumar involves the water and aethers having natural occurring luhel bonds (where the water doesn't just make the aether explode) and hence if one can figure out how this occurs naturally, one could continue to create mechanical luhel bonds with aethers that don't involve a person being involved and without these aethers going bonkers hence aether fabrials.