Funny! I had NO problem with the coverage which included Kirk or Pat. Sports fans are the worst when it comes to seeing things clearly when they think someone isn't praising their team or daring to criticize their team they really get their shorts in a bunch. They remind me of my X where nothing was ever right unless it was her thinking or saying it.
5:27 Pat saying "you never know who's gonna show up" is exactly how college football is. No matter how good a team can be it just takes a couple bad plays, the wrong gameplan, some bad luck, or whatever to lose a game. It's college football, mistakes happen.
Why play the f**king regular season if all it comes down to is opinion. The excitement of upsets is meaningless if you just give the silver spoon programs mulligans.
You are correct. Why don’t we just chose the best teams before the season and only have them play the regular season and the have a championship. That sound great. Screw the other 110 teams in the country. If they only care about the SEC & 3 teams from the BIG & ND. We don’t need 133 teams. We can just have about 24-28 teams we like and favor. Sounds good! So stupid. If you want to get into the playoff Win and don’t lose 3 games to teams that stink. One slip up and win. 2 slip ups(bad losses) maybe not. 3 loses sorry at that point you lost to 25% of your schedule. Plus there is usually 4 to 6 or 7 teams that really have a chance to win a title. This year has 6 teams that have a good chance to win. We all knew it.
This. 12 teams is too many because there aren’t that many good teams. But the one good thing it does is take away subjectiveness. You have to win games. Period. That is the objective measure that should be looked at. Anyone considering putting a 3 loss team in over a 1 loss team because “we feel they are the better team right now” is a straight idiot.
yeah, there should be a rebuttal of clips ready for that. He regularly changes his priorities (strength of schedule, best wins, worst losses) to fit his opinions.
2:00 I don't understand why this is used as an argument for who should be selected. If it's not the most deserving teams, the criteria is wrong. It shouldn't matter who the committee thinks would be favored head to head, but based on the quality of the resume. It's definitionally unfair if you pass up a more deserving team for a team you perceive to be better. The most deserving teams, deserve it most and should be in.
@@kevinmoynihan5118 The point of bringing "deserving" into the discussion was to make the point against using a selection criteria that is too subjective. That mistake is on Kirk as he is not considering the REASONS some teams are deserving. The term, deserving, is also ambiguous unless the reasons they are deserving are stipulated.
Dude you are the exact problem with why the college playoffs will aways suck. Clemson, SMU, and Indiana “deserved” to be their. Miami, Bama, Ole Miss, South Carolina were better teams. If you wanna watch 45 point blow outs every year good for you. Any of the 4 teams I mentioned would’ve been better games and would’ve cracked the teams that “deserved” to be there
They need to to not rank earlier than halfway through the season. The cfo committee screws themselves by having to justify their choices by matching their rankings all year when there is too much variation and drop off at the end
@@nah3193 there is no real way to gage a team or their sos until actual games have been played I guess it what bothers me the most they do their pre season sos and rankings bs and it means very little to nothing by week 8 especially with NIL now spreading all this talent out across the nation more than ever.
@@chipwarez5018 I totally agree my point is that the polls independent of the CFP rankings can't be stopped and are inevitably extremely influential to public opinion and the CFP committee.
@@akokyayo2025that’s a bad faith argument. Upsets happen all the time. OSU lost to Michigan as 19 point favorites. No one is trying to compare Montana State vs Ohio State but if you’re going to compare two teams of similar caliber, you truly don’t know who’s going to win
It was 6 degrees colder in Ohio than Knoxville lol. Tennessee got spanked by the team most people think has the most talent in the sport. It's silly people are pretending it happened because it was slightly colder in Ohio than Tennesee lol
They (TN) got curb-stomped , were ill-prepared. Cignetti had to deal with his QB who was playing horrible, and still only got beat by 10 thanks to the defense closing down the running lanes after the 98 yard TD
It’s not the comparison of it being only 6 degree difference that day. Tennessee hasn’t (especially Nico whose from cali) played in anything near that cold in there lives and Ohio State has players much more accustomed. Ohio State was the better team but it woulda definitely been a better game in above freezing temps
@camping jimmy well when you look at the Ohio State QB from Pennsylvania, 2 of his top 3 wideouts from up north and 4/5 starting o linemen from up north in cold weather states i think the statement holds true.
People wanted a basketball tourney for football, and they got it. How many 1 vs 16 upsets did you expect? Games won't get tighter until we get to the final 4.
Right?? This is such a non-controversy. The expanded bracket means fewer or less dramatic snubs (like an undefeated team not getting in). But.... this is still a seeded tourney. _Maybe_ in the coming years, we'll see a huge early round upset like what happens occasionally in the Big Dance. And maybe "picking the best 12" will get streamlined in the coming years. But a top seed beating a lesser seed convincingly in an early round is.... on par
Herb's full of it sheet. Of course by trashing Indiana the implication is an SEC team should have been chosen instead. This guy doesn't like the word "deserves" yet believes an SEC team "deserved' in over Indiana. Ofcourse he does, ESPN has a contract with the SEC and Kirks a corporate stooge puppet all the way. This guy is a two faced politician and his attempt at damage control here is weak. If I were a Hoosier and thank God I'm not, I'd be pissed at this clown.
I think the Inidana v Notre Dame game is more of a reflection on Notre Dame than Indiana. Indiana convincingly beat a lot of 8- and 9-win Big 10 teams on their way through the regular season and only lost to other Playoff teams, they legitimately belonged in the playoff. Notre Dame, on the other hand, played against the bottom half of the ACC, which really are a bunch of teams that should be playing FCS football, and lost to an 8-4 NORTHERN ILLINOIS. They did not even remotely earn their way into the playoffs, but they are this year's Florida State and this new playoff system has been made specifically to avoid more 2023 Florida States.
@@XCodes Indiana definitely deserved and earned a playoff spot. This whole playoff debate is incredibly stupid. Herbie looks like an idiot now after Ohio State boat raced Tennessee, and he was still talkin bout Indiana.
Transparency on how you are measured is important and games have to matter. Kirk has flipped so much over the years. Ultimately, as a sport, we have to decide what we want: a tv production or hunting for the best football team. Those are not always the same and the missions behind them can change the placements of teams. Unfortunately, I think the SEC may ruin the sport for the country.
Putting teams like indiana in. Is what's best for the sport. Indiana head coach can go tell these recruits. "Hey we got there! We just need some pieces to take that next step" Nobody wants to see dynasties. Plus we want to see it decided on the field. That means rewarding winning. But old Kirk here had to listen to his masters
You mean Bama, Clemson and even lesser removed Georgia right? OSU ain’t been on top in a decade them and Notre Dame live off having large fan bases and historic names
Except that he was misquoting them and was dead wrong. Also as a bias alum he shouldn't be speaking on it on his job. Comment on your own time. Don't be dead wrong on air. It's a bad look. Him and you have this one twisted
The whole “deserving” vs “best” argument reminds me of my NFL team, the Chargers, in 2010. They had the highest ranked offense AND defense in the league, but had the worst ST in the history of the NFL and missed the playoffs by a game. Had a bunch of blowout wins, but also lost a handful of close games that were swung by the ST giving up a bunch of points and game changing plays. Point being, the Chargers were arguably a top 2 or 3 NFL team that year, but at some point, the final results of the games matter. No one spends time crying for them, because even though they were more than good enough for the playoffs, they weren’t deserving of a spot. As much as people want to see the “best” (at least the contenders), they want just as badly to see deserving teams rewarded with a chance. That’s why in March Madness, no one talks about the possibly “better” bubble teams that get snubbed, because if you’re a bubble team, you’re not overwhelmingly deserving.
So…. if we don’t take record into a factor ….. how do we define “better”….. then it just becomes personal opinion… and opinion can be swayed by $$$$ and tv contracts etc…… what we need is SAME scheduling requirements for every power conference….. meaning every conference should play 9 conference games. That’s a good start. Then add at least 1 non conference game HAS to be from an opposing power conference. Then….. we need to realize that home-field advantage is a REAL thing. Even at the pros. Look at the wildcard games. Average margin of victory for the home team isn’t close.
I've been saying the same for years. Each Power conference MUST play 9 conference games. The first 3 games of the season should be OOC games and MUST be 1 FCS team, 1 G5 team (or 2 if you cut out an FCS team for that year) and then a P4 team (played with whatever order). No official rankings until the OOC games are played. Then change the damn seeding in the playoffs.
@@RipliWitani This year the SEC has one good team, a couple OK teams, and a bunch of bottom feeders. The #4 B1G team would likely go undefeated in the SEC.
I am not sure why Herbstreit and almost everyone at ESPN uses the word "deserving" like it is a horrible thing. It should be the most deserving teams. You deserve to be in the playoff by earning it. IU, SMU, and Clemson earned it by winning and getting to their conference championships. Alabama, South Carolina, and Ole Miss lost more games and didn't even sniff their conference championship. Seems like the committee actually used some logic and looked at it that way too Lol Notice I didn't mention TN, because Herbstreit/ESPN doesn't want to talk about their ass kicking and if they belonged.
I agree it goes hand and hand if you win games your are one of the best teams in the country( strength of scedule needs factored in). But if you 11-1 your a good team and DESERVE to be there like Fsu last year
Hey it's ok SEC fans and ESPN. Texas will be playing in the Peach Bowl and Georgia will be in the Sugar bowl. So your advantage will be intact the rest of the way (Texas would get the Cotton Bowl next and Georgia gets the Orange Bowl). The whole thing is a JOKE. Until half of the games are played in the North who really gives a ****. Start playing meaningful games in Philly, New York, Chicago, or Seattle. No advantage my ***
I'm a Texas fan who lives in Indianapolis. Let's be fair Kurt. Indiana won multiple games by double digits. They blew out a few. There is NO WAY they didn't deserve to be there. No one could possibly say they weren't I the top 12
@@IndianaSportsConnection my point is, your "no way they didn't deserve to be there" is beyond stupid. "Lost 3 games to worse teams"? Which teams did Alabama lose to that are worse than any of the Indiana wins? Oklahoma and Vandy are equal, IF you're only going by record, but when you add in the strength of schedule component, they both DESTROY ANY of those teams. And then there's Tennessee. 10-2 is definitely not worse than any of Indiana's schedule, even their losses. Just admit you're a biased know nothing and STFU.
Ohio State is a great example of why the games should be played. They beat the hell out of Tennessee but they also lost to Michigan. Take the teams with the most wins and let them play it out. This has been the most exciting year of college football I have ever watched because we have seen so much interesting interaction between conferences.
This loser won’t even come out and admit he was going to bat for the SEC to get more teams in the CFP as it’s the most profitable asset in ESPN’s portfolio. I hate dishonest people like Kirk who learn to talk like a politician and are devoid of credibility.
No Tennessee is trash. They beat no one and didn't deserve to be in either but the committee only cares about win loss records so they met the criteria for playoff eligibility.
Every conference is weaker(more loses) because of expansion. Both should have been there, because that was the whole point of the playoffs, to end the argument of “who’s the best?”
You could say the IU-OSU game wasn't as bad then too because the last TD was a garbage time TD and IU had essentially given up. You play to the last whistle. Look at Colts Titans. Titans could have tied that up.
@@williamwinner4234 Can’t speak to the IU/OSU game. All I know is Al Golden (ND’s defensive coordinator) said he wasn’t going to give Georgia anymore film to study. They were up by 24 with about 2 minutes left. No point risking injury to starters either. They need those guys fully ready for the next round of the playoffs. Win by 1, 10,or 100, ND is advancing. The final score was NOT indicative of how lopsided that game really was, and Pat implying it was is total nonsense.
@@augustuspalmer4844 Ya. Amazing what a team can do when their opponent pulls all their starters, puts in (literally) cold backups, and runs the same plays… That game was never close. Pat shouldn’t be fooled…
I heard another announcer say something that I think explains it well: “There aren’t 12 teams in any given year that are good enough to win the National Championship in College-level competition” Perhaps 6 teams is as much as you need to optimized the CFP system.
And we had better wins than all of Indiana's combined. OU would have stomped them. Pretty sure Mater Dei highschool could beat Indiana. They are horrible. It was 27-3 with less than 5 minutes to go in the 4th. It wasn't a close game. Terrible.
They did get the best 12. Stop with the bs. There’s just not 12 elite teams. And if y’all are gonna harp on smu and Indiana, you better harp on Tennessee too
i think everyone in the world would 99% assume Alabama would dog walk Indiana or SMU. Maybe not; maybe so. But thats the faith of the argument. Indiana had a great record but when you look at who they played...its not remotely impressive
@@MaftaFPSdon’t argue with people that don’t know football. It’s pointless. Indy and smu are dogshit. Carolina bama and ole miss put up a hell of a better game.
I was screaming at the announcers saying " let's look at the rankings" while looking at the brackets. They are not the rankings. They are the seedlings. Nothing to do with the rankings.
I’m a Texas fan, and I root for my team to make the playoffs. But I also don’t wanna the playoffs to become a place for blue blood programs only. Therefore I don’t want the playoffs to be just the top 12 teams. So by allowing the big 12 champion as well as a group of 5 team in to the playoffs, you effectively have created a system that has allowed every FBS team in the sport to at least dream of making the playoffs, even if they’re not among the “best 12”. I love that… because this system is inclusive of all the teams and not just the big name brands like my beloved Texas longhorns.
Just go to a 4 team playoff. Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, and Georgia are the teams that will play every year for the championship. The regular season will be for shits and giggles.
If these teams are the “most talented” why are they losing to unranked teams. If they pass the eye test, why are “less talented” teams beating them. If we are going to base how good teams are based on talent level, then just crown the team that recruits the most 5 star players. The games mean nothing if these SEC teams are going to b*tch and moan about not getting in even though they lost to the bad teams in their own conference. They talk about not scheduling tough non-conference games but can’t even handle their own conference.
Thats all that smwho and Indiana did was whine,piss and moan about they should be in the playoffs.Weak ass schedule get out of here.Put the best teams in
They should have scored early but ND got away with def holding but were given the interception. The bogus late hit out of bounds that wasn’t. It could have been close except for a few plays. The other teams that got blown out wouldn’t have been diff with a a few plays going diff.
He spent the whole broadcast crying about Ohio State fans and how no Ohio State coaches texted him when his kid decided to go to Michigan. ESPN is selling the SEC because they have a deal with them
Kirk keeps saying two things. If they got the best most deserving teams in then Im fine with it. But he keeps bringing it up so he obviously doesnt feel that way. Also, he keeps saying Indiana and SMU having 11 wins shouldn’t get in. Yet Tennessee got beat by way worse than those teams to a technically lower ranked Ohio State team than ND and Penn State. Just man up and say what teams you think should have been in and that you think the committee is wring for not putting a 3 loss SEC over a one loss team.
Let's take this moment to remember how Shannon repeatedly calls this generations players soft and complains how they can't take criticism and gloats about how they were coached back in the day👀👀
The only reason Shannon has a show is because he's loud and controversial. And those two things drive viewership. There's hundreds of RUclips channels that have more sports knowledge than that clown.
@@ronb2008 y’all get on the internet and say anything you wouldn’t dare say to him in person might take a picture of him and send it you your friends! Man up
5:48 I am so tired of the discussion of the cold, especially for Tennessee…. Do you think it doesn’t get cold in Tennessee? Those two schools are 5 hours apart.
I just watched a clip from his podcast not even 5 minutes ago and this was my exact thoughts 😂 I used to like watching his pod but now I can’t stand it
i cant believe he doesnt think winning matters.. strength of schedule is a terrible metric solely bc the schedules are made years in advance .. also , i dont see whats wrong with deserving teams gettign in ?
Great point, especially considering those vaunted so-called SOS are predetermined by how many teams in a certain conference are ranked. Of course the SEC and Big 10 will have what is considered "tougher" SOS when both conferences have anywhere from 6 to 8 ranked teams in the first published polls while the ACC and Big 12 would have 2 or 3, 4 being the max. Btw, let's not forget that Kirk is the very same shill that called for a 1-loss Alabama to be chosen over an undefeated FSU for the CFP last year - BEFORE Jordan Travis's season sending leg injury even happened. Kirk's clearly not an honest actor.
If you’re going to let the “deserving” teams in then why schedule challenging non-conference games? “Deserving” is a race to mediocre. If you’re going to be elite, you must challenge yourself. People say these teams are simply playing the schedule there were given, but they chose their conference and they schedule their non-conference games. We have to reward those teams that go beyond scheduling easy wins to pad their stats and record. In my opinion at least.
Well 12 teams get in and only 1 can win so I don't understand their point at all. Teams lose, that's why you play the game. Otherwise just let the media select the winning teams by popular vote and not play the games XD
And if you ranked 10 sec teams in the top 25 and they all win and lose to each other over rated or not it keeps the deck stacked. Missouri has no business being ranked. Bama gets beat by 21 and barely falls at all. Ap is a complete joke
This is EXACTLY why the FCS has 24 playoff teams, D2 football has 28 teams, and D3 has 40 teams. There’s far less of a judgement factor involved and lets teams that maybe weren’t as good in the beginning due to things like injury still have the opportunity to compete in playoffs.
@ You sure? North Dakota State won the championship 9 times from 2011 to 2021. James Madison before they were in the FBS won in 2016 and were runners up in 2017 and 2019. I would argue the FCS is even MORE top heavy. We just don’t hear about it as much.
Bad teams don’t “deserve a shot” they’re bad. No one wants to see a UNLV/Jackson State/Colorado/Wisconsin/Boston College get beat by 70 at the hands of Oregon or Ohio State
What happened this year was awful, I am pretty sure ESPN will not see the financial benefit they expected or needed to even make their CFP contract viable. SMH …..we need real, serious folks on the committee making the decisions, not folks with an agenda for or against something.
There is a slightly obvious answer (imperfect but the best option for a complex problem) to the College Football Playoff/Ranking system. However, the fact that it isn't being set up this way tells me that there are too many back alley deals, divisions wanting to be considered equal when they are not, everybody playing different number of games and different schedules in said varying conferences.....etc.... If those are the variables to solve for...then this is just one big math problem: Leave the Ranking system from prior year to next year in place with whatever minor adjustments you like (i.e. leave it exactly as last year ended or.....make minor adjustments for loss of Seniors/gain of portal recruits- be careful here, this is where you are adding more subjectivity!!!). Moving forward, every single team is ranked (1 to 133-correct # of teams??). Your Strength of schedule is King (Wins or losses either way). If you have more strong wins than strong losses, it's net gain based on the above self calibrating ranking system. If you have more strong losses than strong wins, net loss. If you have strong wins but weak losses - you are going to drop significantly (But if you schedule a strong schedule, or attempt to, one loss shouldn't kill your season**). Your opponents' ranking for your Wins or Losses is the bottom line and the primary driver. Now, if you set it up this way, you encourage the teams to schedule the strongest schedule possible. Don't want a shot at the CFP? Well schedule 5 nonsense games with teams you would roll 50 to 17. Now with that said, we want to give historically lesser teams opportunities to build a program to become the future AL, GA, Ohio State, etc... Let them schedule stronger schedules...AND WIN to earn the right! Forget Conference winners. If you want to give a free ride to conference winners, you then should put in the top 12 ranked teams by Strength of schedule wins/losses at the end of the year as well. Also, remove the discrepancy at the Conference level by making each conference team play all other conference teams every year (then I feel better about the Conference champ getting a free ticket to the CFP because nobody got an easier or worse schedule- although you still may have a weaker conference vs a stronger conference in later rounds of CFP where they have not played each other since from separate team pools/conferences (however this is minimized to a fair degree just with the inherent conference calibration). AND....this sets up the possibility with Strength of Schedule Wins/Losses being primary driver, that if you have super strong Conferences (SEC, Big 10) with multiple top 10/15 teams, that 3 or 4 of those teams could go to the playoff regardless of winning the conference because the bottom line is they beat multiple big dawgs in their conference including possible a couple highly ranked opponents outside of conference play. Tie breaker goes to team with same opponent win vs loss as it is today. Your ranking is sliding scale week to week based on your Strength of schedule win/loss performance and that of the teams you beat/lost to (it's a self calibrating system because if you beat #5 week 3 but they lose 3 games at the end of the season and are ranked #19....that Win is lesser value as it should be-correctly recalibrates your ranking with this (every game matters, including your prior and future opponents). Same would apply for losses to non ranked teams early in the season but let's say they improve and get to #17...now that is a better quality win than it was at the time. The final discrepancy is that some teams play one more game than the others. Nope, You all play the same amount of games or it doesn't count toward ranking (they wouldn't play if it didn't matter and thus no schedule more). This ensures all mathematical variables are fair and calibrated appropriately with your Win/Loss as it pertains to your Strength of schedule. If this rubric leaves Indiana, SMU and Miss State out of the playoff, it's their fault for not Winning and/or losing to lower ranked teams based on the strength of schedule they scheduled! You could add a composite score that is a bonus on top of strong win for point differential but that's adding subjectivity again! I say keep it mathematical based on all teams oriented towards scheduling a strong schedule in conference and out of conference to get the opportunity to get ranked the highest and go win. If you lose to strong teams, you are not penalized as badly as you would be with a lesser team loss/unranked (as it should be). The only questions is how many spots? I say if you win you go up or down halfway between the opponent you won/lost too as this would be the average ranking. You are #20 and beat #7? You are #14 (plus one with odd number range). The problems start when we start giving SEC teams unearned benefit of the doubt and then turn around and say a 11-1 team that played nobody is just as competitive. Nonsense, you don't get rewarded for winning the conference, you get rewarded by wins/losses in a strong schedule of worthy opponents. Just my buck fitty :) ..... Thank you
OSU fans were not going to stand in the cold to watch GameDay when there was an 8pm kickoff. GameDay is in Columbus 2 to 3 times a year. Tennessee fans had nothing else to do. Buckeye fans just chilled at home until 6-7pm
Why do they act like these players didn't come from other states before college? It wasn't even 10 degrees warmer in Knoxville, Tennessee at kickoff. Tennessee isn't like Florida where it doesn't get brutally cold too. They over hype the temperature angle.
They must be trolling, because the ND-IU game wasn't that close to anyone that actually watched it. You can't take away ND's 98 yard TD but allow IU's two garbage time TD's to count.
Playing in the cold is definitely an advantage against southern teams, but doesn’t Tennessee and Indiana get cold as well? I live on the gulf coast of Texas and we hate the cold weather that yall have. That being said we have 100 degree weather with a heat index of 130 due to the humidity most of the year. It’s like 70 degrees outside right now. Texas has played conference games in Kansas and Nebraska in the past and played well against Nebraska. I think 11-2 against them when they were in the big 12. Kansas st always gave Texas fits. Kansas as much as 4-5 years ago was a text for Texas. I still am not sure how well they’d play at Ohio State in December.
"Better" vs "Deserving" is such dumb dichotomy because people don't come close to agreeing what being "deserving" even means.. Does a team "deserve" it because they lost to better teams or because they actually beat better teams? You'll probably have a more competitive playoff if you pack it with teams that have shown they can beat good teams, but you'll have some 1-loss teams left out. Of course, no one agrees on what makes a team "better" either so the whole thing is a nightmare
I don’t disagree but I’d flip the two. At least “deserving” seems to have a resume component that factors in game’s final results. It is, more or less, who was most successful at winning, given their competition. It could be the case that a 10-2 team with several great wins is more deserving than an 11-1 team with a bad loss. It’s still largely subjective, but at least it prioritizes teams that win and establishes a sort of threshold for getting winning results. I’d argue that “best” is slippery, because you really could argue that some teams are “better” than others based on their play, even if it’s obvious that their results didn’t go their way enough to warrant a playoff spot. You could envision an extreme world where a team has the toughest schedule in the country and loses 5 games by a point apiece. They could arguably be a better team than many 10-11 win teams, but obviously the record has to matter at some point. Ultimately it’s going to always be a mix of “deserving” and “better,” since I think most want to see the “best of the deserving teams,” in a manner of speaking. The way I see it, “deserving” is a baseline for setting the field, and the “better/worse” is used to rank or fill in extra spots. Maybe one year there are 9 with clearly “deserving” resumes and the rest are filled in by the best of the remaining teams, or there are 14 “deserving” resumes and “best” of them get the at-large bids. Its always going to be subjective but at least we’re arguing about which Cinderella/underdogs will make the 11/12 spot instead of which legitimate contender with a great resume be put at the 3/5 spot, like we had with the title or 4 team playoff
Better is subjective too. The better team doesn't always win nobody would say vandy is better than bama yet scoreboard. Deserving is the criteria we need to use because the eye test has veen wrong. Everyone's eye test said Tennessee and osu would be a good game. Clearly not. It's a lot easier to quantify deserving over better. Ole miss is better than indiana based on what? They got beat by 4 win Kentucky. Bama is better than smu why because smu would spank Oklahoma who beat then by 21. The regular season and games on the field matter.
@@jeffreyprice9790 You didn't read the whole thing. I said no one agrees on what makes a team "better" either. The regular season and games on the field matter, and SMU and Indiana showed on the field that they couldn't beat playoff caliber teams, while Bama and Ole Miss proved they could. So does someone "deserve" to get in because they didn't have a let-down against a bad team or does someone deserve to get in because they've proven they can play well enough to actually win the playoff? You only say it's easier to quantify "deserving" because you have your own subjective idea of what makes a team deserving. Which was my point - people can't agree on what makes a team deserving.
@JAaronMattox deserving isn't near as subjective. You go 11-1 in a power conference you deserve to be in. Youte talking about wins as if they don't have terrible losses to accompany those. Bama ole miss and South Carolina would've all lose this weekend too. More to the point they didn't deserve to be there. Their record on the field and poor showing vs bad teams proved that. You wanna deserve a spot? Don't get busted by .500 teams 24-3 or let vandy drop 40 on your head. Bama lost to Tennessee too.. look what ohio state just did to them. Maybe alot of these "better" sec teams aren't actually all that good anymore. I csn make that argument easily and you csnt use anything that happened this season to refute it. Even Bama beating Georgia. Just another example same as osu losing to michigan that the better team doesn't always win. Neither criteria are 100% concrete it's just one is alot easier to explain and justify. Had smu got left out and Bama got housed by ohio state smu fans would have a lot more reason to complain than Bama fans do. They deserved it. Win your games. Sos means nothing with ap over inflating teams and means even less if you're getting blown out to bums and losing close to 4 win Kentucky.
@ again you’re just giving your idea of what makes a team deserving. Anyone who values good wins more than bad losses will just flip everything you’re saying. “Want to deserve a spot? Actually beat a 8-win team.” “Being 11-1 doesn’t mean anything if you only beat the absolute worst teams in your conference.” “You know SMU and Indiana dont have a chance because they proved on the field during the season they can’t compete with the top teams.” And why are you arguing with me about who should be in anyway? None of these teams deserve to be in. And the greater point is the whole dichotomy of “deserve” vs “better” is stupid because you can use both and it will continue to be stupid until there is a clear understanding of what actually makes a team more deserving or better - and that will never happen because there are too many teams and the conferences are too uneven
KH said several times he wasn’t rooting for a particular team to be in over another, but it sure felt like he was rooting for a particular conference to be in over others. He was so offended by how IU and SMU played, but didn’t feel the same way after a SEC team lost waaay worse in what was supposed to be a closer matchup. Maybe next year we will remember that the SEC doesn’t have the depth to justify 3 teams in the playoff.
Yep. That’s the beauty of bigger tournaments (March Madness as a great example), that your bonafide contender teams will typically be deserving enough to make it, and your borderline deserving teams will likely not be good enough to win it but might make some noise. Plus they reward “lower tier” programs who put together winning resumes. Either way, it’s nice that we’re arguing about 11/12 seeds with an outside shot at running the table, instead of which top 5 team with a legit shot at winning will not have a chance.
ESPN wont be happy unless there is 7 SEC teams in... W-L should matter over ALL else. Deserving is absolutely a thing. Otherwise, why play the regular season?
As a Tennessee fan, that was a total collapse. Too many injuries piled up and no one wanted to play. Nico looked like the only one trying. Our defense gave up halfway through the second quarter. We are a better team than what showed up. Not taking anything from Ohio they looked amazing. This was the 2022 South Carolina game all over again. We’re prone to total collapse and because I’m a battered Vol fan it doesn’t even surprise me anymore.
@@busterhyman6633 Dude Tenn was mid collapse from 2000-2019. I’m just happy we made the playoffs. Plus we’re down 25 scholarships because of the NCAA penalties. Idk why our fans have this win now mentality when it’s been so bad for 20 years.
Pat's statement was spot on about how the cold being more than just playing in it. If you live in Columbus, OH you go grocery shopping in the cold, church in cold, go out to the bars in cold, classes in the cold. There's a mental toughness it takes to get through the cold months that seem to move slower than glaciers. Some people up north love it. I grew up one train stop north of NYC and winters sucked. I hated walking and the snow, salt, wet feet, cold hands, but it was Hawaii compared to grad school at University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana. Less snow each year than NY, but stupid cold. You can feel the water on your eyes and teeth freeze in minutes. Good part was if it got above 40 degrees. Those mid-west farmers daughters couldn't wait to frolic on the quad with as little clothes on as possible. Undergrad in Morgantown was probably similar winter conditions to growing up in NY. Can't remember. I was hammered. I mean absolutely mangled and loving it for those wonderful years. Now, I've made home the in 615. Nashville is perfect. BUT, I've been here long enough to know I'm never moving north again. It rarely ever gets really cold like the unbearable cold up North. When it snows, it's embarrassing to refer to it as snow. Although Nashville is a few hours east of Music City, it about the same climate. VOLS didn't want to be in the horse shoe. They looked miserable. I couldn't even imagine living up north again. Thinner blood, better music, big time tax friendly. I'd be rather be homeless in Tennessee than struggling in Ohio weather right now.
I was at the game coming in from Knoxville. Yes, it was cold, but it’s drastically overblown how different the temp was relative to what Knoxville experiences. When we went to the orange bowl against, we went from a feels like of -15 to 70 degrees in Miami. That was an infinitely larger shift than going from 31 to 20.
Ohio State fans ran Kirk out of Columbus (Upper Arlington) because of all of his negative comments about the program in the media. A local radio show host got fired because of hateful words towards Herbie. I’m not a fan of him doing OSU games either…he tries too hard to go out of his way to not seem biased.
@@sethwilliams720 Correction: Herbie got the local radio host fired because he was making fun of how terrible Desmond is on GameDay (and continues to objectively being the worst analyst in all of sports)
This may be news to some but Ohio st and Tennessee recruit nationwide … not every player on Ohio st roster if from the mountains of the Himalayas. It gets cold in Tennessee too…
Y'all need to take your show away from the race baiters at ESPN! Its ridiculous! They're so jealous of all the white talent they're trying to start a race war Stephen A, Ryan Clark, Shannon Sharpe race baiting Pat McAfee, Kirk Hirbstreet, AJ hawk, Chris Fowler, and Aaron Rodgers!!!! I only watch your show Pat! And college gameday. I've boycotted the race baiters on get up, first take. Start your own sports network with Kirk and your crew! ESPN needs competition because nobody wants to hear their BS anymore
The committee system is a joke. Better vs deserving is a joke. The best system was the BCS & the only criticism of that was a "computer" (1/3 coach, 1/3 media) picking the national champion. 8-16 team playoff using BCS rankings is best it could ever be done. Period.
The only thing that should be changed is the lopsided resources amongst the teams. Only reason the teams that "earned" their way are doubted is because there is too many teams with way too far of an advantage.
The playoff is about crowning a national champion. We have seen beyond a shadow of a doubt that Alabama was not a national championship contender, so you should give Indiana a chance. If you don’t, then there is actually no point in the games. FSU fans warned us. I mean just pick the playoff at the beginning then with the recruiting rankings of the last 4 years. Bc in SoR they are top ten. Along with the fact they are number one in margin of victory. They are even top 10 in power ratings, which btw has Oregon at 6.
Hell I've been warning people for what 8 years. Penn State won the conference championship and still got left out because they had 2 losses early in the season. One was a blow out.
I think some people are missing the fact that the teams won were playing a home game. Not sure why the football experts aren’t talking about having a home advantage. In saying that the home team has earned the home game.
Indiana won the second half but no one wants to mention that. Hats of to ND for taking advantage of IU's mistakes and making great plays during the 1st half.
Al Golden pulled his starters and basically coasted. IU wasn’t gonna hang 24 points (just to get to OT) in 5 minutes. He even said he wasn’t gonna give Georgia anymore tape to look at. The final score was a 10 point differential, but everyone knows that game was a blowout.
24 teams. All 11 conference champions. The runners up in the Power 4 and 9 at large teams. No auto seeding; just rank ‘em 1 - 24 and setup the bracket.
"i dont wanna see a team get in just because they are 11-1"
Well i dont wanna see a team get in just because of their NAME!
SEC will always be on top kid
@@deefour7538sec is trash lil bro, wake up
neither do they, they want the best 12, obviously
Damn , best comment ever , should gift wrap that comment and send it to Kirk by UPS !! Feel exactly the same dude !
@@deefour7538 The BIG12 beat Alabama and almost won the conference.
It's not just Herbstriet. The entire ESPN cast of characters were insufferable all weekend.
They were unbearable. Even this show sucks
You suck too 😂@@jasonlewis9326
Even the dog gets on my nerves.
Well they are not gonna bite the hand that feeds them. No alpha balls on the payroll.
Funny! I had NO problem with the coverage which included Kirk or Pat. Sports fans are the worst when it comes to seeing things clearly when they think someone isn't praising their team or daring to criticize their team they really get their shorts in a bunch. They remind me of my X where nothing was ever right unless it was her thinking or saying it.
5:27 Pat saying "you never know who's gonna show up" is exactly how college football is. No matter how good a team can be it just takes a couple bad plays, the wrong gameplan, some bad luck, or whatever to lose a game. It's college football, mistakes happen.
Look at Boise State? They show up to win these games in Bowl games.
Exactly. All these ppl supporting this nonsense are obvious blue blood fans butthurt their team did t get in.
Happens in pros too and goes against the whole "best team" narrative which isn't something you hear in the NFL since it is objective.
Just losing a game is one thing. Never, for a single second, even being competitive in the game, is a whole other thing
Yep, agreed. Michigan "showed up".
Why play the f**king regular season if all it comes down to is opinion. The excitement of upsets is meaningless if you just give the silver spoon programs mulligans.
You are correct. Why don’t we just chose the best teams before the season and only have them play the regular season and the have a championship. That sound great. Screw the other 110 teams in the country. If they only care about the SEC & 3 teams from the BIG & ND. We don’t need 133 teams. We can just have about 24-28 teams we like and favor. Sounds good!
So stupid. If you want to get into the playoff Win and don’t lose 3 games to teams that stink. One slip up and win. 2 slip ups(bad losses) maybe not. 3 loses sorry at that point you lost to 25% of your schedule.
Plus there is usually 4 to 6 or 7 teams that really have a chance to win a title. This year has 6 teams that have a good chance to win. We all knew it.
This. 12 teams is too many because there aren’t that many good teams. But the one good thing it does is take away subjectiveness. You have to win games. Period. That is the objective measure that should be looked at. Anyone considering putting a 3 loss team in over a 1 loss team because “we feel they are the better team right now” is a straight idiot.
Exactly!!
Good point. What does it matter in regular season if all non-brand names have zero chance of being in.
Just don’t lose 3 games. You can lose two and get in, just don’t lose 3…except Clemson. They are Different.
He said "I don't have an agenda for a conference or a team", with a straight face!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
yeah, there should be a rebuttal of clips ready for that. He regularly changes his priorities (strength of schedule, best wins, worst losses) to fit his opinions.
Keep the same energy for Tennessee that you had for Indiana.
That's all we're trying to say Herb.
Facts
he won't. He's been a SEC fanboy the past two decades
He and FineBUM will never.
Yep, he's Sabans boy now, so he has to preach the ESPN and Bama narrative.
Indiana just needs to take a seat.
2:00 I don't understand why this is used as an argument for who should be selected. If it's not the most deserving teams, the criteria is wrong. It shouldn't matter who the committee thinks would be favored head to head, but based on the quality of the resume. It's definitionally unfair if you pass up a more deserving team for a team you perceive to be better. The most deserving teams, deserve it most and should be in.
Agreed. The most deserving teams can be (mostly) objectified based off of their resume, but judging the “best” teams is literally a matter of opinion.
@@kevinmoynihan5118 The point of bringing "deserving" into the discussion was to make the point against using a selection criteria that is too subjective. That mistake is on Kirk as he is not considering the REASONS some teams are deserving. The term, deserving, is also ambiguous unless the reasons they are deserving are stipulated.
oh you mean like FSU last yr
Dude you are the exact problem with why the college playoffs will aways suck. Clemson, SMU, and Indiana “deserved” to be their. Miami, Bama, Ole Miss, South Carolina were better teams. If you wanna watch 45 point blow outs every year good for you. Any of the 4 teams I mentioned would’ve been better games and would’ve cracked the teams that “deserved” to be there
@@sam__jnot really. Its pretty easy to see that over half of the sec would’ve blown out the teams that “deserved” to be there
They need to to not rank earlier than halfway through the season. The cfo committee screws themselves by having to justify their choices by matching their rankings all year when there is too much variation and drop off at the end
They all basically start off with the AP as the baseline anyways. There is some variation but not a lot
True it’s always been that way even when it was BCS….a bunch of so called “ranked teams” beating eachother up through the season 🙄
Interesting thought 👍…like post week 7
@@nah3193 there is no real way to gage a team or their sos until actual games have been played I guess it what bothers me the most they do their pre season sos and rankings bs and it means very little to nothing by week 8 especially with NIL now spreading all this talent out across the nation more than ever.
@@chipwarez5018 I totally agree my point is that the polls independent of the CFP rankings can't be stopped and are inevitably extremely influential to public opinion and the CFP committee.
You don't know who is the best until they play. Stop pretending you know who is going to win.
Thank you for clarity in all this BS.
Stop it lol.
Oh yea. We totally don’t know if Montana state is as good as Ohio state until they play
@@akokyayo2025lol
@@akokyayo2025that’s a bad faith argument. Upsets happen all the time. OSU lost to Michigan as 19 point favorites. No one is trying to compare Montana State vs Ohio State but if you’re going to compare two teams of similar caliber, you truly don’t know who’s going to win
It was 6 degrees colder in Ohio than Knoxville lol. Tennessee got spanked by the team most people think has the most talent in the sport. It's silly people are pretending it happened because it was slightly colder in Ohio than Tennesee lol
They (TN) got curb-stomped , were ill-prepared. Cignetti had to deal with his QB who was playing horrible, and still only got beat by 10 thanks to the defense closing down the running lanes after the 98 yard TD
It’s not the comparison of it being only 6 degree difference that day. Tennessee hasn’t (especially Nico whose from cali) played in anything near that cold in there lives and Ohio State has players much more accustomed. Ohio State was the better team but it woulda definitely been a better game in above freezing temps
@@Joemama-wz3je So you dont think OSU has any players from from warm climates?
@camping jimmy well when you look at the Ohio State QB from Pennsylvania, 2 of his top 3 wideouts from up north and 4/5 starting o linemen from up north in cold weather states i think the statement holds true.
It was 22 in Columbus and 24 in Knoxville. It gets very cold there. Dumb ass jocks never educated in science.
People wanted a basketball tourney for football, and they got it. How many 1 vs 16 upsets did you expect? Games won't get tighter until we get to the final 4.
Right?? This is such a non-controversy. The expanded bracket means fewer or less dramatic snubs (like an undefeated team not getting in). But.... this is still a seeded tourney. _Maybe_ in the coming years, we'll see a huge early round upset like what happens occasionally in the Big Dance. And maybe "picking the best 12" will get streamlined in the coming years. But a top seed beating a lesser seed convincingly in an early round is.... on par
And I'm ok with it! At least gives these teams a chance. Upsets happen. Plus more football to watch. Good or bad
don't we get blowouts in final 4 though? michigan tcu. Georgia tcu. it happens no matter the number of teams
@@JT82DETMI Yep. Bud Elliot from CBS tweeted that *12* of the _20_ Four-Team CFP semi-final games were won by 17+ points
Exactly
ESPN is so biased, I mostly watch Fox pregames now.
Always have been
Sorry Fox pregame is just awful. The afternoon game is the best on fox but it’s hard to watch that crew before.
@Dan-zs4rk Unless one of the networks is at a game I'm interested in, I rarely watch either now. Just sick of ridiculous SEC bias.
that’s weird as hell idk anyone who watches fox pre games 🤣
@@coastingalong see my reply above. 😀
Herb's full of it sheet. Of course by trashing Indiana the implication is an SEC team should have been chosen instead. This guy doesn't like the word "deserves" yet believes an SEC team "deserved' in over Indiana. Ofcourse he does, ESPN has a contract with the SEC and Kirks a corporate stooge puppet all the way. This guy is a two faced politician and his attempt at damage control here is weak. If I were a Hoosier and thank God I'm not, I'd be pissed at this clown.
I think the Inidana v Notre Dame game is more of a reflection on Notre Dame than Indiana. Indiana convincingly beat a lot of 8- and 9-win Big 10 teams on their way through the regular season and only lost to other Playoff teams, they legitimately belonged in the playoff. Notre Dame, on the other hand, played against the bottom half of the ACC, which really are a bunch of teams that should be playing FCS football, and lost to an 8-4 NORTHERN ILLINOIS. They did not even remotely earn their way into the playoffs, but they are this year's Florida State and this new playoff system has been made specifically to avoid more 2023 Florida States.
Hey buddy, take a breath. Everything is gonna be ok pal
@@XCodes Indiana beat one team that had a winning record.
@@AdaptiveCapitalResearch Huh. I thought they played Illinois and Minnesota. Oh well, beating 6-6 teams is still more than Alabama did.
@@XCodes Indiana definitely deserved and earned a playoff spot. This whole playoff debate is incredibly stupid. Herbie looks like an idiot now after Ohio State boat raced Tennessee, and he was still talkin bout Indiana.
Transparency on how you are measured is important and games have to matter. Kirk has flipped so much over the years. Ultimately, as a sport, we have to decide what we want: a tv production or hunting for the best football team. Those are not always the same and the missions behind them can change the placements of teams. Unfortunately, I think the SEC may ruin the sport for the country.
It’s the first tournament!! Allow these programs to adjust. We are only a few years removed from OSU, Bama and Clemson on top every single year!!
Putting teams like indiana in. Is what's best for the sport. Indiana head coach can go tell these recruits. "Hey we got there! We just need some pieces to take that next step"
Nobody wants to see dynasties. Plus we want to see it decided on the field. That means rewarding winning. But old Kirk here had to listen to his masters
Exactly, down the line these games are gonna have upsets and more.
You mean Bama, Clemson and even lesser removed Georgia right? OSU ain’t been on top in a decade them and Notre Dame live off having large fan bases and historic names
Because they were the best teams lol
Shoutout to Herby for holding F.T. accountible. They can dish it but CANNOT take it. 😆🔥
Lmao wht?
They said should be fired if don't win chip kirk had it wrong
Except that he was misquoting them and was dead wrong. Also as a bias alum he shouldn't be speaking on it on his job. Comment on your own time. Don't be dead wrong on air. It's a bad look. Him and you have this one twisted
LOL holding who accountable - go back and REALLY look at what SA & Shannon said - guess you won't be able to take it
You are a dhummy
The whole “deserving” vs “best” argument reminds me of my NFL team, the Chargers, in 2010. They had the highest ranked offense AND defense in the league, but had the worst ST in the history of the NFL and missed the playoffs by a game. Had a bunch of blowout wins, but also lost a handful of close games that were swung by the ST giving up a bunch of points and game changing plays.
Point being, the Chargers were arguably a top 2 or 3 NFL team that year, but at some point, the final results of the games matter. No one spends time crying for them, because even though they were more than good enough for the playoffs, they weren’t deserving of a spot. As much as people want to see the “best” (at least the contenders), they want just as badly to see deserving teams rewarded with a chance. That’s why in March Madness, no one talks about the possibly “better” bubble teams that get snubbed, because if you’re a bubble team, you’re not overwhelmingly deserving.
So…. if we don’t take record into a factor ….. how do we define “better”….. then it just becomes personal opinion… and opinion can be swayed by $$$$ and tv contracts etc…… what we need is SAME scheduling requirements for every power conference….. meaning every conference should play 9 conference games. That’s a good start. Then add at least 1 non conference game HAS to be from an opposing power conference.
Then….. we need to realize that home-field advantage is a REAL thing. Even at the pros. Look at the wildcard games. Average margin of victory for the home team isn’t close.
I've been saying the same for years.
Each Power conference MUST play 9 conference games. The first 3 games of the season should be OOC games and MUST be 1 FCS team, 1 G5 team (or 2 if you cut out an FCS team for that year) and then a P4 team (played with whatever order).
No official rankings until the OOC games are played.
Then change the damn seeding in the playoffs.
The problem is not all conferences are the same
Sec has like 10 good teams, every other conference has 1 or 2
@ Be careful, people don’t like the truth.
@@RipliWitani This year the SEC has one good team, a couple OK teams, and a bunch of bottom feeders. The #4 B1G team would likely go undefeated in the SEC.
ESPN Civil War?
WARGAMES!
I love it😂😂😂
Aint no civil war...PPl on the net say anything
Doctor Falken is that you?
How about a nice game of chess?
"Generals gathered in their maaassseeesssssssss 🎸🎸🤘"
The Match Beyond.
I am not sure why Herbstreit and almost everyone at ESPN uses the word "deserving" like it is a horrible thing. It should be the most deserving teams. You deserve to be in the playoff by earning it. IU, SMU, and Clemson earned it by winning and getting to their conference championships. Alabama, South Carolina, and Ole Miss lost more games and didn't even sniff their conference championship. Seems like the committee actually used some logic and looked at it that way too Lol Notice I didn't mention TN, because Herbstreit/ESPN doesn't want to talk about their ass kicking and if they belonged.
I agree it goes hand and hand if you win games your are one of the best teams in the country( strength of scedule needs factored in). But if you 11-1 your a good team and DESERVE to be there like Fsu last year
Best teams > most deserving teams
@@RyTrapp0best teams shouldn’t have 3 losses 🤷🏾♂️
They want more SEC teams, that's all he's saying by deserving
@@deciuswtasbyAlabama played more top 25 teams than Indiana or s Carolina lol
Hey it's ok SEC fans and ESPN. Texas will be playing in the Peach Bowl and Georgia will be in the Sugar bowl. So your advantage will be intact the rest of the way (Texas would get the Cotton Bowl next and Georgia gets the Orange Bowl). The whole thing is a JOKE. Until half of the games are played in the North who really gives a ****. Start playing meaningful games in Philly, New York, Chicago, or Seattle. No advantage my ***
I'm a Texas fan who lives in Indianapolis. Let's be fair Kurt. Indiana won multiple games by double digits. They blew out a few. There is NO WAY they didn't deserve to be there. No one could possibly say they weren't I the top 12
exactly
Combined record of those "double digit wins": 44-77 NOT ONE of them finished over .500. NOT ONE. Just shut up.
I say
@@lovejoyb20 ok and so put in Alabama who lost 3 games to worse teams what’s your point?
@@IndianaSportsConnection my point is, your "no way they didn't deserve to be there" is beyond stupid.
"Lost 3 games to worse teams"? Which teams did Alabama lose to that are worse than any of the Indiana wins? Oklahoma and Vandy are equal, IF you're only going by record, but when you add in the strength of schedule component, they both DESTROY ANY of those teams. And then there's Tennessee. 10-2 is definitely not worse than any of Indiana's schedule, even their losses.
Just admit you're a biased know nothing and STFU.
ESPN hired Pat to always bail Kirk out 😂😂😂
Kirk doesn’t need to be bailed out. Out of all broadcasters he’s not insufferable and gives good grounded takes.
Pat doesnt work for espn
@@colinyeaman4847 😂 yeah right
Kirk was doing this before pat was wearing jockies
@@colinyeaman4847100%.. He is an OSU alum and the furthest thing from a homer
Ohio State is a great example of why the games should be played. They beat the hell out of Tennessee but they also lost to Michigan. Take the teams with the most wins and let them play it out. This has been the most exciting year of college football I have ever watched because we have seen so much interesting interaction between conferences.
This loser won’t even come out and admit he was going to bat for the SEC to get more teams in the CFP as it’s the most profitable asset in ESPN’s portfolio. I hate dishonest people like Kirk who learn to talk like a politician and are devoid of credibility.
bingo!!!!!!
Sec has better teams lol
SEC should win their games if they’re so much better lol
If IU shouldn't have made it then TEN definitely didnt. Yikes they got whooped
Sec is trash this year
SEC is no different than any other conference every year. They just ride the cocks of Georgia and Alabama. Been doing it for 15 years
No Tennessee is trash. They beat no one and didn't deserve to be in either but the committee only cares about win loss records so they met the criteria for playoff eligibility.
Every conference is weaker(more loses) because of expansion. Both should have been there, because that was the whole point of the playoffs, to end the argument of “who’s the best?”
Cmon Pat, we all know that ND/IU game was NOT a 10 point game…
You could say the IU-OSU game wasn't as bad then too because the last TD was a garbage time TD and IU had essentially given up. You play to the last whistle. Look at Colts Titans. Titans could have tied that up.
@@williamwinner4234 Can’t speak to the IU/OSU game. All I know is Al Golden (ND’s defensive coordinator) said he wasn’t going to give Georgia anymore film to study. They were up by 24 with about 2 minutes left. No point risking injury to starters either. They need those guys fully ready for the next round of the playoffs. Win by 1, 10,or 100, ND is advancing. The final score was NOT indicative of how lopsided that game really was, and Pat implying it was is total nonsense.
Yea it was 27-17
@@augustuspalmer4844 Ya. Amazing what a team can do when their opponent pulls all their starters, puts in (literally) cold backups, and runs the same plays…
That game was never close. Pat shouldn’t be fooled…
@John_Hoover i aint saying they didn't pull back but it was the closest game this weekend indiana deserved to be in is all I'm saying
You don't want to play in the cold and you want to play at home then WIN. It's not that hard.
If you want in the playoffs win its that simple
That's it.
SEC fans don’t understand logic. Last year Bama beat Georgia, Michigan beat Bama and they cried that it should have been Georgia.
I heard another announcer say something that I think explains it well: “There aren’t 12 teams in any given year that are good enough to win the National Championship in College-level competition”
Perhaps 6 teams is as much as you need to optimized the CFP system.
Alabama got beat worse by 6-6 Oklahoma (from an Xs and Os standpoint) than any road team over the weekend.
..Boomer sooner
Tennessee looked terrible
@@Abah-cuh-bus not as bad as Alabama looked in Norman. And the fact that it’s an SEC team, playing the lowest-ranked home team of the weekend…
I saw that game and wow DONT LET THEM IN
And we had better wins than all of Indiana's combined. OU would have stomped them. Pretty sure Mater Dei highschool could beat Indiana. They are horrible.
It was 27-3 with less than 5 minutes to go in the 4th. It wasn't a close game. Terrible.
They did get the best 12. Stop with the bs. There’s just not 12 elite teams. And if y’all are gonna harp on smu and Indiana, you better harp on Tennessee too
He wants 90 percent SEC every year
i think everyone in the world would 99% assume Alabama would dog walk Indiana or SMU. Maybe not; maybe so. But thats the faith of the argument. Indiana had a great record but when you look at who they played...its not remotely impressive
@@MaftaFPSdon’t argue with people that don’t know football. It’s pointless. Indy and smu are dogshit. Carolina bama and ole miss put up a hell of a better game.
cuz its common sense, Bama would have beat Indiana.
Aye! Anybody that has two neurons to rub together know that ND IU game was not close.
Truth
Maybe Notre Dame is pretty good? Hot take?
Lost to Northern Illinois my dude.
@@NeverB_Gameover lol that's all you guys have now.
It's not sticking anymore.
@broaddusmarines It's good. UGA about to handle them boys. Won't be playing against Indiana, Northern Illinois talent this time.
ND beat georgia tech. The same tech that almost beat georgia.
This game is gonna be one to watch.
Their football team should join a conference. They shouldn’t be in the playoffs until they join a conference.
I was screaming at the announcers saying " let's look at the rankings" while looking at the brackets. They are not the rankings. They are the seedlings. Nothing to do with the rankings.
His former radio station in Columbus spent all afternoon talking about how awful a human being Herbie was when he worked there
Herbie is a fake human being. That’s why Buckeye fans can’t stand him. He is condescending and a Buckeye turncoat
I’m a Texas fan, and I root for my team to make the playoffs. But I also don’t wanna the playoffs to become a place for blue blood programs only. Therefore I don’t want the playoffs to be just the top 12 teams. So by allowing the big 12 champion as well as a group of 5 team in to the playoffs, you effectively have created a system that has allowed every FBS team in the sport to at least dream of making the playoffs, even if they’re not among the “best 12”. I love that… because this system is inclusive of all the teams and not just the big name brands like my beloved Texas longhorns.
There’s nothing more annoying than a broadcaster trying to justify or walk-back a comment that was honest and emotional (but pissed people off).
I don't think he walked anything just gave context. I like Kirk I think at times he's guilty of being an SEC Glazer but I understand.
lol he works for ESPN an SEC propaganda machine. I’m gonna love watching Notre Dame destroyed Georgia. Notre Dame ain’t Georgia Tech. Then what?
Wasn't even man enough to go t first take to talk about it face to face
@@MichaelCottle It has been decades since Notre Dame destroyed anyone when it actually mattered 🙄
He did disrespect Indiana quite a bit, to be fair.
Shannon needs to be fired. You can’t threading a coworker for having a different opinion
I thought the 12 teams selected were fair picks. The bigger issue is the seeding. Seed the entire field based on ranking, period.
The 2 best teams are playing in the next round
Just go to a 4 team playoff. Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, and Georgia are the teams that will play every year for the championship. The regular season will be for shits and giggles.
8 or 16...12 is a ridiculous amount
If these teams are the “most talented” why are they losing to unranked teams. If they pass the eye test, why are “less talented” teams beating them. If we are going to base how good teams are based on talent level, then just crown the team that recruits the most 5 star players. The games mean nothing if these SEC teams are going to b*tch and moan about not getting in even though they lost to the bad teams in their own conference. They talk about not scheduling tough non-conference games but can’t even handle their own conference.
Thats all that smwho and Indiana did was whine,piss and moan about they should be in the playoffs.Weak ass schedule get out of here.Put the best teams in
Thanks to Pat for mentioning Tennessee loss. SEC Kirk seemed to forget that was the weekends biggest loss.
Can we be honest about Indiana??? They didn't score a touchdown until 1:27 left in the 4th qtr...
Yeah that was not a competitive game.
They should have scored early but ND got away with def holding but were given the interception. The bogus late hit out of bounds that wasn’t. It could have been close except for a few plays. The other teams that got blown out wouldn’t have been diff with a a few plays going diff.
Neither beat anything with a heartbeat all year.
EXACTLY
All the IU haters keep talking because you’re still mad because your team didn’t get in
The herby apology tour is bs, he called it how he saw it and doesn’t deserve the negativity
enter the woke mindset of "Oh no...I offended someone out there". Fuc* you. Give your opinion, which is what you're paid to do, and leave it.
He spent the whole broadcast crying about Ohio State fans and how no Ohio State coaches texted him when his kid decided to go to Michigan. ESPN is selling the SEC because they have a deal with them
Kirk keeps saying two things. If they got the best most deserving teams in then Im fine with it. But he keeps bringing it up so he obviously doesnt feel that way. Also, he keeps saying Indiana and SMU having 11 wins shouldn’t get in. Yet Tennessee got beat by way worse than those teams to a technically lower ranked Ohio State team than ND and Penn State. Just man up and say what teams you think should have been in and that you think the committee is wring for not putting a 3 loss SEC over a one loss team.
The crooked tj maxx canvas painting behind Kirk is driving me nuts.
Let's take this moment to remember how Shannon repeatedly calls this generations players soft and complains how they can't take criticism and gloats about how they were coached back in the day👀👀
Mitch
Shannon a true hypocrite
The only reason Shannon has a show is because he's loud and controversial. And those two things drive viewership. There's hundreds of RUclips channels that have more sports knowledge than that clown.
@@ronb2008 you make a show and see you if know more football than Shannon!
@@ronb2008 y’all get on the internet and say anything you wouldn’t dare say to him in person might take a picture of him and send it you your friends! Man up
5:48 I am so tired of the discussion of the cold, especially for Tennessee…. Do you think it doesn’t get cold in Tennessee? Those two schools are 5 hours apart.
Stephan a smith and Shannon Sharpe are so emotional can’t say anything without them getting in their feelings like females
That’s because Shannon is a female.
@@user-zb7tg5hi3tstop it
Shannon is such a emotional mess
I just watched a clip from his podcast not even 5 minutes ago and this was my exact thoughts 😂 I used to like watching his pod but now I can’t stand it
All Shannon said was show some respect!
I know everyone loves Pat, but all this in-house drama increased when he started at ESPN.
lol what in house drama. They are getting a lot of eyes with the giving away money on game day. I’d argue that it’s as big as it’s ever been.
i cant believe he doesnt think winning matters.. strength of schedule is a terrible metric solely bc the schedules are made years in advance .. also , i dont see whats wrong with deserving teams gettign in ?
Great point, especially considering those vaunted so-called SOS are predetermined by how many teams in a certain conference are ranked. Of course the SEC and Big 10 will have what is considered "tougher" SOS when both conferences have anywhere from 6 to 8 ranked teams in the first published polls while the ACC and Big 12 would have 2 or 3, 4 being the max.
Btw, let's not forget that Kirk is the very same shill that called for a 1-loss Alabama to be chosen over an undefeated FSU for the CFP last year - BEFORE Jordan Travis's season sending leg injury even happened. Kirk's clearly not an honest actor.
If you’re going to let the “deserving” teams in then why schedule challenging non-conference games? “Deserving” is a race to mediocre. If you’re going to be elite, you must challenge yourself. People say these teams are simply playing the schedule there were given, but they chose their conference and they schedule their non-conference games. We have to reward those teams that go beyond scheduling easy wins to pad their stats and record. In my opinion at least.
Well 12 teams get in and only 1 can win so I don't understand their point at all. Teams lose, that's why you play the game. Otherwise just let the media select the winning teams by popular vote and not play the games XD
Years in advance? Strength of schedule has to do with the records of the teams you played in that season
And if you ranked 10 sec teams in the top 25 and they all win and lose to each other over rated or not it keeps the deck stacked. Missouri has no business being ranked.
Bama gets beat by 21 and barely falls at all. Ap is a complete joke
Herbstreit is great. Idk how anybody can unlike the dude. He’s one of the Goats for Cfb.
This is EXACTLY why the FCS has 24 playoff teams, D2 football has 28 teams, and D3 has 40 teams. There’s far less of a judgement factor involved and lets teams that maybe weren’t as good in the beginning due to things like injury still have the opportunity to compete in playoffs.
But those leagues aren’t as top heavy as the p4
@ You sure? North Dakota State won the championship 9 times from 2011 to 2021. James Madison before they were in the FBS won in 2016 and were runners up in 2017 and 2019. I would argue the FCS is even MORE top heavy. We just don’t hear about it as much.
@@ronb2008 no...
I'd be good with 16 teams no byes. If people actually expect all these games to be competive it's just not happening, rarely happened with just 4.
Bad teams don’t “deserve a shot” they’re bad.
No one wants to see a UNLV/Jackson State/Colorado/Wisconsin/Boston College get beat by 70 at the hands of Oregon or Ohio State
What happened this year was awful, I am pretty sure ESPN will not see the financial benefit they expected or needed to even make their CFP contract viable. SMH …..we need real, serious folks on the committee making the decisions, not folks with an agenda for or against something.
There is a slightly obvious answer (imperfect but the best option for a complex problem) to the College Football Playoff/Ranking system. However, the fact that it isn't being set up this way tells me that there are too many back alley deals, divisions wanting to be considered equal when they are not, everybody playing different number of games and different schedules in said varying conferences.....etc.... If those are the variables to solve for...then this is just one big math problem: Leave the Ranking system from prior year to next year in place with whatever minor adjustments you like (i.e. leave it exactly as last year ended or.....make minor adjustments for loss of Seniors/gain of portal recruits- be careful here, this is where you are adding more subjectivity!!!). Moving forward, every single team is ranked (1 to 133-correct # of teams??). Your Strength of schedule is King (Wins or losses either way). If you have more strong wins than strong losses, it's net gain based on the above self calibrating ranking system. If you have more strong losses than strong wins, net loss. If you have strong wins but weak losses - you are going to drop significantly (But if you schedule a strong schedule, or attempt to, one loss shouldn't kill your season**). Your opponents' ranking for your Wins or Losses is the bottom line and the primary driver. Now, if you set it up this way, you encourage the teams to schedule the strongest schedule possible. Don't want a shot at the CFP? Well schedule 5 nonsense games with teams you would roll 50 to 17. Now with that said, we want to give historically lesser teams opportunities to build a program to become the future AL, GA, Ohio State, etc... Let them schedule stronger schedules...AND WIN to earn the right! Forget Conference winners. If you want to give a free ride to conference winners, you then should put in the top 12 ranked teams by Strength of schedule wins/losses at the end of the year as well. Also, remove the discrepancy at the Conference level by making each conference team play all other conference teams every year (then I feel better about the Conference champ getting a free ticket to the CFP because nobody got an easier or worse schedule- although you still may have a weaker conference vs a stronger conference in later rounds of CFP where they have not played each other since from separate team pools/conferences (however this is minimized to a fair degree just with the inherent conference calibration). AND....this sets up the possibility with Strength of Schedule Wins/Losses being primary driver, that if you have super strong Conferences (SEC, Big 10) with multiple top 10/15 teams, that 3 or 4 of those teams could go to the playoff regardless of winning the conference because the bottom line is they beat multiple big dawgs in their conference including possible a couple highly ranked opponents outside of conference play. Tie breaker goes to team with same opponent win vs loss as it is today. Your ranking is sliding scale week to week based on your Strength of schedule win/loss performance and that of the teams you beat/lost to (it's a self calibrating system because if you beat #5 week 3 but they lose 3 games at the end of the season and are ranked #19....that Win is lesser value as it should be-correctly recalibrates your ranking with this (every game matters, including your prior and future opponents). Same would apply for losses to non ranked teams early in the season but let's say they improve and get to #17...now that is a better quality win than it was at the time. The final discrepancy is that some teams play one more game than the others. Nope, You all play the same amount of games or it doesn't count toward ranking (they wouldn't play if it didn't matter and thus no schedule more). This ensures all mathematical variables are fair and calibrated appropriately with your Win/Loss as it pertains to your Strength of schedule. If this rubric leaves Indiana, SMU and Miss State out of the playoff, it's their fault for not Winning and/or losing to lower ranked teams based on the strength of schedule they scheduled! You could add a composite score that is a bonus on top of strong win for point differential but that's adding subjectivity again! I say keep it mathematical based on all teams oriented towards scheduling a strong schedule in conference and out of conference to get the opportunity to get ranked the highest and go win. If you lose to strong teams, you are not penalized as badly as you would be with a lesser team loss/unranked (as it should be). The only questions is how many spots? I say if you win you go up or down halfway between the opponent you won/lost too as this would be the average ranking. You are #20 and beat #7? You are #14 (plus one with odd number range). The problems start when we start giving SEC teams unearned benefit of the doubt and then turn around and say a 11-1 team that played nobody is just as competitive. Nonsense, you don't get rewarded for winning the conference, you get rewarded by wins/losses in a strong schedule of worthy opponents. Just my buck fitty :) ..... Thank you
OSU fans were not going to stand in the cold to watch GameDay when there was an 8pm kickoff. GameDay is in Columbus 2 to 3 times a year. Tennessee fans had nothing else to do. Buckeye fans just chilled at home until 6-7pm
Why do they act like these players didn't come from other states before college? It wasn't even 10 degrees warmer in Knoxville, Tennessee at kickoff. Tennessee isn't like Florida where it doesn't get brutally cold too. They over hype the temperature angle.
I just said that as well. I’m a Texas fan, and knows that Tennessee gets cold weather
Indiana had no business being in that game...and SMU certainly didn't. Embarrassing. The CFP better hope Boise and ASU don't get blown out
So your saying that the SEC needs more teams in GOT IT!
They must be trolling, because the ND-IU game wasn't that close to anyone that actually watched it. You can't take away ND's 98 yard TD but allow IU's two garbage time TD's to count.
Pat, with that shirt, you look ready to take your family of eight out to Pizza Hut for dinner.
The committee needs to fix this. Way too many teams in that shouldn’t have, they just were not good enough.
Imagine being Ohio State and Penn State and you dominate your opponents and then people afterwards say “The cold weather won.” 😂
IDK anyone saying that, buts it’s absolutely a factor and that’s a good thing.
@@xandercrews4729most of these players rotate from warm climates and cold climates all of the time
Good. It just proves about why the SEC is too scared to come north
Playing in the cold is definitely an advantage against southern teams, but doesn’t Tennessee and Indiana get cold as well? I live on the gulf coast of Texas and we hate the cold weather that yall have. That being said we have 100 degree weather with a heat index of 130 due to the humidity most of the year. It’s like 70 degrees outside right now. Texas has played conference games in Kansas and Nebraska in the past and played well against Nebraska. I think 11-2 against them when they were in the big 12. Kansas st always gave Texas fits. Kansas as much as 4-5 years ago was a text for Texas. I still am not sure how well they’d play at Ohio State in December.
@ it’s no different than early in the season, playing in the heat & humidity in the South. Those weather conditions impact the game.
Herb shouldn't apologize. Everybody thinking that
Everyone knows he's an emotional idiot
This is growing pains it will get better as the years go. Upsets will eventually start happening as coaches adjust to the new system.
The Notre dame Indiana game was not as close as the score said. The real score was 27-3.
"Better" vs "Deserving" is such dumb dichotomy because people don't come close to agreeing what being "deserving" even means.. Does a team "deserve" it because they lost to better teams or because they actually beat better teams? You'll probably have a more competitive playoff if you pack it with teams that have shown they can beat good teams, but you'll have some 1-loss teams left out. Of course, no one agrees on what makes a team "better" either so the whole thing is a nightmare
I don’t disagree but I’d flip the two. At least “deserving” seems to have a resume component that factors in game’s final results. It is, more or less, who was most successful at winning, given their competition. It could be the case that a 10-2 team with several great wins is more deserving than an 11-1 team with a bad loss. It’s still largely subjective, but at least it prioritizes teams that win and establishes a sort of threshold for getting winning results. I’d argue that “best” is slippery, because you really could argue that some teams are “better” than others based on their play, even if it’s obvious that their results didn’t go their way enough to warrant a playoff spot. You could envision an extreme world where a team has the toughest schedule in the country and loses 5 games by a point apiece. They could arguably be a better team than many 10-11 win teams, but obviously the record has to matter at some point. Ultimately it’s going to always be a mix of “deserving” and “better,” since I think most want to see the “best of the deserving teams,” in a manner of speaking.
The way I see it, “deserving” is a baseline for setting the field, and the “better/worse” is used to rank or fill in extra spots. Maybe one year there are 9 with clearly “deserving” resumes and the rest are filled in by the best of the remaining teams, or there are 14 “deserving” resumes and “best” of them get the at-large bids. Its always going to be subjective but at least we’re arguing about which Cinderella/underdogs will make the 11/12 spot instead of which legitimate contender with a great resume be put at the 3/5 spot, like we had with the title or 4 team playoff
Better is subjective too. The better team doesn't always win nobody would say vandy is better than bama yet scoreboard.
Deserving is the criteria we need to use because the eye test has veen wrong. Everyone's eye test said Tennessee and osu would be a good game. Clearly not. It's a lot easier to quantify deserving over better. Ole miss is better than indiana based on what? They got beat by 4 win Kentucky. Bama is better than smu why because smu would spank Oklahoma who beat then by 21.
The regular season and games on the field matter.
@@jeffreyprice9790 You didn't read the whole thing. I said no one agrees on what makes a team "better" either. The regular season and games on the field matter, and SMU and Indiana showed on the field that they couldn't beat playoff caliber teams, while Bama and Ole Miss proved they could. So does someone "deserve" to get in because they didn't have a let-down against a bad team or does someone deserve to get in because they've proven they can play well enough to actually win the playoff? You only say it's easier to quantify "deserving" because you have your own subjective idea of what makes a team deserving. Which was my point - people can't agree on what makes a team deserving.
@JAaronMattox deserving isn't near as subjective. You go 11-1 in a power conference you deserve to be in. Youte talking about wins as if they don't have terrible losses to accompany those. Bama ole miss and South Carolina would've all lose this weekend too. More to the point they didn't deserve to be there. Their record on the field and poor showing vs bad teams proved that. You wanna deserve a spot? Don't get busted by .500 teams 24-3 or let vandy drop 40 on your head.
Bama lost to Tennessee too.. look what ohio state just did to them. Maybe alot of these "better" sec teams aren't actually all that good anymore. I csn make that argument easily and you csnt use anything that happened this season to refute it. Even Bama beating Georgia. Just another example same as osu losing to michigan that the better team doesn't always win.
Neither criteria are 100% concrete it's just one is alot easier to explain and justify. Had smu got left out and Bama got housed by ohio state smu fans would have a lot more reason to complain than Bama fans do. They deserved it. Win your games. Sos means nothing with ap over inflating teams and means even less if you're getting blown out to bums and losing close to 4 win Kentucky.
@ again you’re just giving your idea of what makes a team deserving. Anyone who values good wins more than bad losses will just flip everything you’re saying. “Want to deserve a spot? Actually beat a 8-win team.” “Being 11-1 doesn’t mean anything if you only beat the absolute worst teams in your conference.” “You know SMU and Indiana dont have a chance because they proved on the field during the season they can’t compete with the top teams.”
And why are you arguing with me about who should be in anyway? None of these teams deserve to be in. And the greater point is the whole dichotomy of “deserve” vs “better” is stupid because you can use both and it will continue to be stupid until there is a clear understanding of what actually makes a team more deserving or better - and that will never happen because there are too many teams and the conferences are too uneven
TERRIBLE WEEKEND OF FOOTBALL.
COLLEGE FOOTBALL HAS BEEN DIMINISHED.
Wow there’s never been a blowout since the BCS in the playoff or championship game.
BCS never had blowouts in the title game either. Always one score thrillers until just this year, it’s crazy
@ChrisPayneHBTW Florida vs Ohio State title game. thats when the SEC glazing started by sportswriters
Clemson dog-walked Bama in the National Championship
LSU 2019
Clemson beat Bama 40-17 in the National Championship game just a few years ago.... and Florida absolutely stomped Oklahoma during the BCS era....
KH said several times he wasn’t rooting for a particular team to be in over another, but it sure felt like he was rooting for a particular conference to be in over others. He was so offended by how IU and SMU played, but didn’t feel the same way after a SEC team lost waaay worse in what was supposed to be a closer matchup.
Maybe next year we will remember that the SEC doesn’t have the depth to justify 3 teams in the playoff.
Do the most deserving 12 because odds are you are getting the 4 best. And no one outside the 4 best is probably going to win the title
Yep. That’s the beauty of bigger tournaments (March Madness as a great example), that your bonafide contender teams will typically be deserving enough to make it, and your borderline deserving teams will likely not be good enough to win it but might make some noise. Plus they reward “lower tier” programs who put together winning resumes. Either way, it’s nice that we’re arguing about 11/12 seeds with an outside shot at running the table, instead of which top 5 team with a legit shot at winning will not have a chance.
ESPN wont be happy unless there is 7 SEC teams in... W-L should matter over ALL else. Deserving is absolutely a thing. Otherwise, why play the regular season?
9-3 with Georgia’s schedule isn’t equal to 9-3 with Boise State’s schedule. Come off it.
Nah this is such a naive take.
Herbstreit sucks
As a Tennessee fan, that was a total collapse. Too many injuries piled up and no one wanted to play. Nico looked like the only one trying. Our defense gave up halfway through the second quarter. We are a better team than what showed up. Not taking anything from Ohio they looked amazing. This was the 2022 South Carolina game all over again. We’re prone to total collapse and because I’m a battered Vol fan it doesn’t even surprise me anymore.
As a Buckeye fan I respect your fan base traveling like how they did.
Trust me Ohio State has collapsed more than Tenn and I've been to 20 OSU bowl games.
@@busterhyman6633 Dude Tenn was mid collapse from 2000-2019. I’m just happy we made the playoffs. Plus we’re down 25 scholarships because of the NCAA penalties. Idk why our fans have this win now mentality when it’s been so bad for 20 years.
Herbstreit sucks.
This aint first take channel, go there
Yep! He does
Pat's statement was spot on about how the cold being more than just playing in it. If you live in Columbus, OH you go grocery shopping in the cold, church in cold, go out to the bars in cold, classes in the cold. There's a mental toughness it takes to get through the cold months that seem to move slower than glaciers. Some people up north love it. I grew up one train stop north of NYC and winters sucked. I hated walking and the snow, salt, wet feet, cold hands, but it was Hawaii compared to grad school at University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana. Less snow each year than NY, but stupid cold. You can feel the water on your eyes and teeth freeze in minutes. Good part was if it got above 40 degrees. Those mid-west farmers daughters couldn't wait to frolic on the quad with as little clothes on as possible. Undergrad in Morgantown was probably similar winter conditions to growing up in NY. Can't remember. I was hammered. I mean absolutely mangled and loving it for those wonderful years. Now, I've made home the in 615. Nashville is perfect. BUT, I've been here long enough to know I'm never moving north again. It rarely ever gets really cold like the unbearable cold up North. When it snows, it's embarrassing to refer to it as snow. Although Nashville is a few hours east of Music City, it about the same climate. VOLS didn't want to be in the horse shoe. They looked miserable. I couldn't even imagine living up north again. Thinner blood, better music, big time tax friendly. I'd be rather be homeless in Tennessee than struggling in Ohio weather right now.
I appreciate his clarification instead of just going after the team with the slimmest margin of loss last weekend
Indiana got "GARBAGE" throw away points at the end of the 4th qtr. It was a blowout by Notre Dame.
Shay Shay the feminine giant got so hurt that he was wrong.
If you wouldn’t call him feminine to his face don’t do it on RUclips. I am absolutely sure you wouldn’t.
I was at the game coming in from Knoxville. Yes, it was cold, but it’s drastically overblown how different the temp was relative to what Knoxville experiences. When we went to the orange bowl against, we went from a feels like of -15 to 70 degrees in Miami. That was an infinitely larger shift than going from 31 to 20.
Kirk Herbstriet should definitely not be allowed to do Ohio State football games. He is all about OSU. Poor programming.
You mean like Desmond Howard thinks Michigan is winning every game? Howard's ass need booted off GameDay. Would make it 100 times better.
"He Is all about OSU"
Dumbshit, he spent the last ten minutes of the game bashing Ohio State fans.
Ohio State fans hate Kirk
Ohio State fans ran Kirk out of Columbus (Upper Arlington) because of all of his negative comments about the program in the media. A local radio show host got fired because of hateful words towards Herbie. I’m not a fan of him doing OSU games either…he tries too hard to go out of his way to not seem biased.
@@sethwilliams720 Correction: Herbie got the local radio host fired because he was making fun of how terrible Desmond is on GameDay (and continues to objectively being the worst analyst in all of sports)
This may be news to some but Ohio st and Tennessee recruit nationwide … not every player on Ohio st roster if from the mountains of the Himalayas. It gets cold in Tennessee too…
Y'all need to take your show away from the race baiters at ESPN! Its ridiculous! They're so jealous of all the white talent they're trying to start a race war Stephen A, Ryan Clark, Shannon Sharpe race baiting Pat McAfee, Kirk Hirbstreet, AJ hawk, Chris Fowler, and Aaron Rodgers!!!! I only watch your show Pat! And college gameday. I've boycotted the race baiters on get up, first take. Start your own sports network with Kirk and your crew! ESPN needs competition because nobody wants to hear their BS anymore
The committee system is a joke. Better vs deserving is a joke. The best system was the BCS & the only criticism of that was a "computer" (1/3 coach, 1/3 media) picking the national champion. 8-16 team playoff using BCS rankings is best it could ever be done. Period.
The same BCS that kept Boise State and TCU from competing for a national championship? No thanks!
@wapiti128 in a 12 team playoff they would've been in
@@Bigal0933 The same BCS that had pre-season rankings that were mostly bogus? I'll pass.
The only thing that should be changed is the lopsided resources amongst the teams. Only reason the teams that "earned" their way are doubted is because there is too many teams with way too far of an advantage.
That’s why the old system was better this playoff has always been stupid
Man, I'm so tired of Sharpe, I use to be a big fan, but somehow he has gotten really annoying now
The playoff is about crowning a national champion. We have seen beyond a shadow of a doubt that Alabama was not a national championship contender, so you should give Indiana a chance. If you don’t, then there is actually no point in the games. FSU fans warned us. I mean just pick the playoff at the beginning then with the recruiting rankings of the last 4 years. Bc in SoR they are top ten. Along with the fact they are number one in margin of victory. They are even top 10 in power ratings, which btw has Oregon at 6.
Hell I've been warning people for what 8 years. Penn State won the conference championship and still got left out because they had 2 losses early in the season. One was a blow out.
I think some people are missing the fact that the teams won were playing a home game. Not sure why the football experts aren’t talking about having a home advantage. In saying that the home team has earned the home game.
Love Herbie…. Man Is A National Treasure ❤
I think all play off games should be played in Dome Stadiums.
It’s not Kirk’s fault he said what anyone with football IQ was thinking.
Indiana won the second half but no one wants to mention that. Hats of to ND for taking advantage of IU's mistakes and making great plays during the 1st half.
IU was losing 27-3 with less than 2 minutes left; one could argue they scored in garbage time when ND had it in the bag
@@jadedave-c5n Never say never. Georgia Southern came back and scored 21 points to beat Marshall this year with 5 minutes to go.
Al Golden pulled his starters and basically coasted. IU wasn’t gonna hang 24 points (just to get to OT) in 5 minutes. He even said he wasn’t gonna give Georgia anymore tape to look at. The final score was a 10 point differential, but everyone knows that game was a blowout.
@@John_Hoover You still never know. Crazier things have happened in sports.
😂😂 27-3 with 2 min left. No contest. ND smashed them. That game was never close. Stop kidding yourself.
Just put the top 12 SEC teams in and we are all good :)
My high school team went undefeated should they be in the playoffs?
Alabama played worse against Oklahoma than any of these teams on the road against top 10 opponents in December.
Hey Pat, tell Kirk to stop bashing the fan base. Ultimately it's the fans that pay the bills.
Yeah. He is a buckeye turncoat. He is a tool bag
They need to say most deserving.
24 teams. All 11 conference champions. The runners up in the Power 4 and 9 at large teams. No auto seeding; just rank ‘em 1 - 24 and setup the bracket.
That makes too much sense, so it won't be considered.
Lol stop expanding, that's the problem. Go watch the NFL
Best teams in,no weak schedule teams with no ranked wins.