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Dishonest video. Hes not commending Prince he's commending the deal between Prince and Warner bros. Zappa also merely said Prince is a creative guy, he certainly never called him a genius.
So your just putting anything out there about Frank Zappa then? And this included my Prince huh? You got views from Princes fans because of Prince not because of Zappa. When did he die it was before Prince wasn't it? Ya want a lot of views? Do more on Prince and you'll get them. :)
It's cool hearing Zappa sing Prince's praises. I've always thought that they had a bunch of things in common: 1.) Both are multi- instrumentalists/composers that are recognized as iconic electronic guitar players 2.) Both had disputes with WB because they were too prolific 3.) Both created indie labels as a result 4.) Both have vaults in their studios that chronically every idea/concert/video appearance5.) Both dabble in filmmaking. 6.) Both tracked in the studio nonstop 7.) Controversial lyrical content, etc
It’s a bit of a stretch to say Zappa was “singing his praises”. He even said in the interview he didn’t own a Prince record and didn’t know much about his music. What Zappa was saying was simply a continuation of something he’s *always* said about the music business…that the record company executives should stay out of the way of creative people and let them get on with creating their vision *without* interference. He’s said many times that it was better in the 60’s when record companies were run by cigar smoking old guys who didn’t have a CLUE about new music, as long as it made money that was their only concern, and therefore lots of different types of music was allowed to go out on record…and that *that* was a far better situation than what happened in the 70’s and 80’s when so-called “hip” young execs took over who thought THEY knew more about what sold than the musicians themselves, which resulted in a narrowing of the styles of music that could get on record.
AUTHENTICITY. That's all Zappa asked for. In music, in politics, in everything. That's what makes life, life. Otherwise, you just a bot wearing brown shoes.
Thanks for posting this. Growing up in the 80s, Prince and FZ were two of my favorite artists . My other Prince fan friends didn't get it. I always thought they had a lot of similarities. Both great guitarists and composers. Both super prolific. Both hated the record companies. Both probably wrote too many songs about sexual activity! Sadly, both left us too soon.
Very astute post. I need to get a little more reacquainted with Zappa, and I’m becoming more interested in Prince. At the moment I have "1999", and am kinda surprised I liked it as much as I did. Not that I hated Prince or anything, I just wasn’t all that interested until I actually heard him. Anyways you make a good point in that there certainly are similarities between the two.
@@jmad627 1999 is actually my favorite Prince album. Especially the last half with the weirder / darker songs like Automatic, Something in the Water, Lady Cab Driver... etc. Hot Rats and Joe's Garage are my two favorite FZ albums. Check out Prince's instrumental "Alexa De Paris" and Zappa's instrumental "Watermelon in Easter Hay". They had a similar melodic lead guitar style with those songs.
@jmad627: I echo what Joey Day says. Joe's Garage is a great introduction to Frank Zappa. It is musically accessible. It showcases his guitar work. And it showcases his sense of humor and ability to satire. I'd also point out that this dystopian 'rock opera' is as relevant today as it was in 1979. Sadly, in many ways the world hasn't changed much.
davita 44... thanks for watching until the end. I played that line from that song 1,000 times over and over again when 1999 came out. It totally spoke to me. Glad you enjoyed it.
Frank Zappa hit the nail on the head. Because when I saw the Dirty Mind Album. I was intrigued. When I started listening to him. I was thrown off by the images. His music was awesome. I decided later how I interpret Prince's image. His music won me over, not some image. Plus I heard and listened to what world he was propagating. A truly free world. To Love one another. A simple ideation. It functioned. Warner Brothers. served their purpose in the development of this genius. Frank Zappa knows what was good. He didn't judge.
"He didn't judge" In many interviews he goes out of his way to say that people are entitled to listen and consume whatever music they like. and all of it should be made available. Thanks for watching the video and for taking a moment to post a comment.
i played his albums in my store on Haight St in San Francisco every day until my staff protested😂 my great regret never seeing him in concert... he played every instrument on his albums his song "Wanna be your lover" was my favorite song in fifth grade , late 70's i saw him sing it on American Bandstand, my jaw dropping, in his long hair and Earth Wind and Fire tie dye jumpsuit, and he astonished me even more by barely answering Dick Clark s interview after
Way back then when Warner Bros signed him they wanted Maurice White to produce his first album & tried to get Ray Parker Jr to “ help” Prince refine the track “ Sexy Dancer” Ray Parker Jr did not c anything to add 2 the project. The rest is history!
From what little I know about Prince it it's hard to believe that anyone would be able to produce him. From all accounts Prince was single minded and knew what he wanted. And that paid off.
I have been a huuuuge fan of both Prince and Frank, and hearing Frank's opinion on Prince as an artist in the industry, was really nice :)) ...and how I miss hearing Frank's opinion and views these days
I agree wholeheartedly about Prince did what he wanted to do. It didn't matter if you liked his work or you didn't. He did it his way. And he had fun doing it why he was here. Bravo Prince. I loved 99.9% of what he did.
Eh? Are you serious? Apart from the fact that they’re both playing electric guitar, there almost no similarities between Zappa’s playing style and Prince’s! It’s staggering to me how someone could make such a claim with a straight face! And I’m not putting down Prince’s playing, the guy could play an instantly recognisable style, you knew it was him, and that’s a rare thing…but he’s nowhere near Zappa!
As a Zappa fan, (top 3 artist of all-time for me), I Can’t believe I’m just now finding this channel. Great content, hope to see more George Duke & Captain Beefheart related work soon too!
I saw the Rainbow Children concert and couldn’t listen to any other type of music for almost an entire week. Dude was a musical genius that continued to evolved.
Prince wanted Sign 'O' The Times to be a 3 record set called Crystal Ball in 1987. Warner Bros corporate fools said no - forcing Prince to edited it down to the standard 2 record set. So Prince released a Crystal Ball 3 CD set on his own indie label NPG Records in 1997. Then hypocritical Warner Bros releases a Sign O The Times Super Deluxe 8 CD set and extra DVD in 2020 after Prince has died. What assholes.
In 1987 / 90s, even Guns and Roses had failed to get the Use Your Illusion series to sell properly. 22 years later we have online streaming and releasing as much material as possible makes more sense. Not advocating for the label, but no one or not many would have listened to 3 discs of that one Prince album back then when you actually needed the CD to play it.
@@MrSpencerMcIntosh Prince was more of a hit maker than Guns N' Roses were as they had a limited rocker metalhead fandom. Prince was a rebel with a diverse racially mixed fandom of black funk/white rock/synth pop fans. His rules were no rules. Warner Bros thought he was a crazy freak but if the Prince fans in the '80s would buy a double album, then they would likely buy a triple album. Prince's first double album 1999 was his first big mainstream hit in 1982. Warner Bros did release Prince The Hits/B-Sides triple album in 1993 and that was a hit, too, proving Prince wasn't so crazy to want a triple album in 1987.
@@StevieStitchesGNR sold way more than Prince from their first album to Use your illusion albums. 35 million appetite fit destruction in 87 compared to less than 2 million of SOTT. Use your illusion sold even more. Lies was huge too. They were the biggest band those years and Prince was commercially in decline.
Hi. I spent 20 Years studying The two Vaults & The relationship between them. Either Frank Than Prince considered their work as an Unique Piece of Art. Actually I do considering myself one of the Biggest Historical Researcher regarding Them World wide. I Either wrote a Book analysing note by note, release by release of Their Music in order to understand the Philosophy of The Vault. I can say in first hand that Prince was obsessed with Frank. There are many Music Fragments that he took from Frank. (I won't say which or how many, but is easy to find out). 20 years researching & listening only Them. & I still continue. I do that because I'm building My Vault. Is the Third. My Goal is to Release 81 Albums. It would be the biggest Self Producing Music Acomplishment for the next generations. I'm using Frank & Prince advices to built mine.
I think it's safe to say that the appreciation is reciprocal: sign o the times - just to mention one iconic record - presents a lot of zappa-like elements, and in general Prince s approach to music is not different from Zappa s. In both cases, exploring and experimentation are the keys. Not to mention the deep love for music these two giants had.
A genius talking about another genius. Both were powerful enough to do what they wanted and didn't let themselves be dictated to by a few white-collar workers from behind their desks.
Regarding the explicit lyrics warning labels: Prince remained quiet on it because he didn't give a shit lol...a warning label wasn't gonna have any effect on what he put out. Plus he's on record as saying he didn't think parents being given a heads-up on lyrical content was necessarily bad.
As Zappa became more outspoken against labels and ratings, he spoke about unintended consequences. Namely, mayor record store refusing to rack explicit albums. And while Prince may or may not have given a shit about warning labels, had the PMRC and the PTA gotten their list of demands implement it could have (could have) impacted Prince's ability to get some of his albums into some of the nationwide chains.
@@POODLEBITES - Prince would eventually come up with alternate ways of selling his albums that didn't require traditional chains, so I don't think that would have stopped him, either. I mean, he was so huge at the time of the PMRC that he could have sold albums from the trunk of his car and still gone platinum lol. Record companies would have cared, though...but he would also break off signing long term contracts with record labels as well, so not sure that would have hindered him much, either.
@@endorphinzz Well, I dunno about that. Prince released one of his albums “20Ten”, exclusively through a few European newspapers…you bought the paper, you got the CD for free. My local newsagents shop in Scotland had loads of copies of the CD left over and I asked what they were doing with them, and she ended up giving them all to me for nothing! There was about 30 of them. They ended up in a drawer in my house until the man sadly passed away, and because they were an exclusively European deal, they became a hot property for non-European fans on the ‘net. I put them up for sale on Discogs and sold them all within a week! Thanks to Prince I paid my long overdue electricity bill!
The only thing that can replace Prince is... Prince cause there has never been a man like him before nor will there ever be a man like him ever again. ONE OF A KIND!
You know... FZ wasn't so bad on guitar either. Totally different style. But if you're a guitar person and you haven't been exposed to his stuff, reply here and I'll shoot over a link to one of his solos.
Now that Zappa has commented on Prince, my all time fav artist, I will do research on Zappa cause I’ve heard of his name but know nothing about his artistry. Never heard any of his music. I like independent minded artists who don’t seem to give a fk about what the labels think is appropriate to release, and continue on with their unique creativeness. I only heard “ Bambi” Undertaker style, after Prince’s death. Back when he did it Warner would not allow him to release it, because of their ongoing dispute .
Zappa´s music is very varied, and he released tons of stuff. Maybe you dont like the first thing you found, but will like others. Just like it happened with Prince to me. Zappa and Prince were worlaholic geniuses.
I, too, knew Zappa only by name and nothing of his immense catalog. I grew up around people that listened to him, but, what little I WAS hearing felt so over my head. I've recently been exposed to more and more of his stuff and learning how truly unique he is. I've seen interviews of musicians from his bands and - WOW - the respect FZ gets... (Steve Vai gives a great one that elevated my respect for the caliber of drummers he needed to work with.) I mean George Duke, Steve Vai... and the many others that hopefully people will add... My favorite album right now is Grand Wazoo, particularly the track Blessed Relief. I think hardcore FZ people would poopoo the recommendation, but I think it's a good intro for people getting their Zappa feet wet! It's the one that hooked me.
@@POODLEBITES 13 minutes of Prince wizardry. I was listening to a lecture by Jungian Psychoanalyst Robert Moore recently. He was talking about the Magician archetype within the psyche. He said, if you want to see a true Magus, look at Prince.
I don’t believe in the afterlife but if I did I imagine they would meet somewhere over the rainbow and get along just fine. what a great compilation video from two great artists and how lucky are we to have lived in a period of time they shared with us? Now they are gone and it’s up to us to carry their Lessons and legacies through our own endeavours creative or otherwise. Teach.
"I don’t believe in the afterlife but if I did I imagine they would meet somewhere over the rainbow and get along just fine." Extremely well said. I wholeheartedly agree.
All the best music comes from those whose music sounds like THEY made it and conceptualized the whole thing, and not major labels looking for a lick off of a trend they don't understand.
both had very same important habits in common. the high professionalism towards what theyre doing, constant working ethics onntheir works and constant recording themselves or doing sessions of all sorts. zappa was a tad bit more open minded thou
None of the comments reflect the central point Zappa was making, which was that Prince and his record label had worked out a relationship so that there would be no interference from the company. In other words, Prince retained full creative control of his product.
It’s interesting. A lot of these great creative souls don’t check out other peoples music. They are too into creating their own thing. Prince didn’t know any of Bowies music, Zappa says he doesn’t know Princess….
Society Pages interviewed FZ at his home in 1989. You can find the entire thing on Zappateers for download. Here's what I found on RUclips: ruclips.net/video/tS_sBOjUebY/видео.html
Zappa and Prince were similar in that they were totally consummate artists. I have about 40gb of Zappa interviews from all eras, covering every kind of topic you could imagine. Message me if you want some.
did Zappa say other things about Prince? I am a Prince fan and I love Zappa, but I never saw many comments coming from Zappa about Prince´s music. Usually about his battle against censorship and such.
@@darkbluebossa Other than this clip and the PMRC stuff, with Zappa saying Prince has a right to sing about anything he likes... I've not heard anything else. I've heard him compliment the likes of Steely Dan and Rufus in interviews from the 70s.
Zappa makes a great point, remember Warner Bros wanted to have Maurice White from Earth Wind and Fire produce Princes first album, that would have undoubtedly diminished Princes uniqueness as an artist.
Not a big fan of Prince but wish he was in a rock-band that played hard or metal because he's one of the greatest guitar players I've ever heard his version of while my guitar gently sleeps is better than Claptons
I highly suggest checking out his live performance of Bambi and the ride. Prince shredded his guitar like no other. Its sad how a lot of his work is overshadowed by purple rain. Don't get me wrong, Purple rain is iconic. But that's only a molecule of what Prince was. ruclips.net/video/QAkuBIHWvxQ/видео.html ruclips.net/video/g3-cn44_K6o/видео.html Let me know what u think!
Zappa once said he was at an industry event and saw Prince there, but when he walked over to introduce himself, Prince got kind of nervous and slinked away.
maybe not the guys in the valley but the guys on top certainly could/can and they call the shots of who gets the breaks nothing to diminish prince but it´s just a fact
In my view, it appears Zappa was castigating or critiquing record companies for getting in the way of the vision of an artist. It just happened that prince was one of those that the wrecker company at the time got out of the way, mostly, to allow prince to grow. Experiment. Expresses artistic and spiritual combination with sexuality, or rather more specifically explore it. However two factors, prince was fully supported so he could focus on his music during the Warner Bros.. Records era. When he went independent sometime around midnight he’s 1996 or so Prince had to put on a lot of more hats which distracted and affected his work to some degree. So therefore it’s sort of a careful balance of not getting weight in the way of an artist and what they want to do and expressed them selves and supporting that artist financially taking care of the logistics of tours Management etc. booking itineraries you know the deal. Anyways Zappa seem to be observing someone from a distance within the music industry at that time. A lot of the footage of prince Moses from out of that time later on in his career. Interesting though that Zappa spoke about Prince on record an interview I never knew and I’ve been a prince fan for decades.
@@POODLEBITES From The Real Frank Zappa Book (1989): "The PMRC's list of people signed to member labels of the RIAA who were 'offensive' in 1985 was pretty ridiculous. The Captain and Tennille were on it for 'Do That to Me One More Time'. The Jacksons were on for 'Torture'. Bruce Springsteen was on for 'I'm on Fire', and, of course, Prince, for the fabulous 'Darling Nikki'. Where was he throughout all this? He went apeshit and sued some spaghetti company for calling their product 'Prince', but remained curiously silent during the record-ratings stuff."
Prince was a really shy person and he let the government and PMRC bully him just like they were bullying all of pop music, and he didn't know how to state his case.
There's what you wrote. To be sure. I also think he was so focused on his music and his career that the PMRC thing was an uninvited distraction. And so he chose not to get involved.
Kinda disappointed, i wish he acknowledged what a brilliant player he was. It's a shame he didnt explore Prince's live bootleg albums. His albums are classics but he really spreads out in a live setting. Frank would really dig it. Shame we can't hear them cover each other. Hopefully in the future, AI can do some convincing deep fake stuff 😂
@@POODLEBITES oh, indeed. It's not lost on me. Are there any other examples of him giving praise to pop stars? My point was thar he seemed more impressed w the politics between the artist and label than the music, when had he been exposed to more of Prince's playing, he would have really dug it.
I'm going to make you Millions of dollars Warner Brothers!. All I ask is that you Let me run This! and you stay out of my way!. I'm a Professional Chef and I have all the utensils and Ingredients to Prepare Delicious Dishes!.
Someone needs to suggest to Tipper Gore, that the explicit lyrics label has made music worse. The level of vulgarity on a level she never imagined, is where we are, today.
Yeah. Absolutely glowering. Particularly when one considers that FZ rarely had anything positive to say about anything. Especially things related to pop culture. So, yes, absolutely glowing.
Sounds like Emilio Estevez doing the interview. There's all this _documentation_ yet no mention of who it is. Kinda lousy music journalism on your part.
Yeah, there's room for improvement when citing sources. Sorry about that. This interview was conducted 12/88 by the editors of Society Pages, the one time FZ Fanfine. Emilio Estevez, to the best of my knowledge, wasn't there that day.
Prince is the greatest musician of the last century.. Who did it like this? He is the greatest guitarist right.. ask Eric Clapton.. only Jimi is up there.. and he surpassed Jimi cause Jimi played a couple instruments.. and No one dances like that.. w a guitar in high heels.. while everyone talked shit bout em.. and like a true artist he made songs off that shit... all Dem ppl u compare couldn't pick his green m&Ms out in the green room
I never cared about Prince’s image. Far too much going on with the music to be distracted by something like image. Sure, it’s there to notice, but it’s way in the background.
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Dishonest video. Hes not commending Prince he's commending the deal between Prince and Warner bros. Zappa also merely said Prince is a creative guy, he certainly never called him a genius.
So your just putting anything out there about Frank Zappa then? And this included my Prince huh? You got views from Princes fans because of Prince not because of Zappa. When did he die it was before Prince wasn't it? Ya want a lot of views? Do more on Prince and you'll get them. :)
@@tommtommkin actually back then Zappa did many mag interviews were he brought Prince up and yes he call him a genius. The internet isn't everything.
Game recognizes game. Two true real musical geniuses!!
Thanks for the posting and for watching.
And sadly neither is now with us,Too young!
Absolutely!!!🤘🤘❤️
It's cool hearing Zappa sing Prince's praises. I've always thought that they had a bunch of things in common: 1.) Both are multi- instrumentalists/composers that are recognized as iconic electronic guitar players 2.) Both had disputes with WB because they were too prolific 3.) Both created indie labels as a result 4.) Both have vaults in their studios that chronically every idea/concert/video appearance5.) Both dabble in filmmaking. 6.) Both tracked in the studio nonstop 7.) Controversial lyrical content, etc
Great post, Sean. They are very similar in spirit and work ethic.
Agreed, great post, Sean. I’ve also long held the same view of Zappa and Prince sharing those very commonalities.
It’s a bit of a stretch to say Zappa was “singing his praises”. He even said in the interview he didn’t own a Prince record and didn’t know much about his music. What Zappa was saying was simply a continuation of something he’s *always* said about the music business…that the record company executives should stay out of the way of creative people and let them get on with creating their vision *without* interference.
He’s said many times that it was better in the 60’s when record companies were run by cigar smoking old guys who didn’t have a CLUE about new music, as long as it made money that was their only concern, and therefore lots of different types of music was allowed to go out on record…and that *that* was a far better situation than what happened in the 70’s and 80’s when so-called “hip” young execs took over who thought THEY knew more about what sold than the musicians themselves, which resulted in a narrowing of the styles of music that could get on record.
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AUTHENTICITY. That's all Zappa asked for. In music, in politics, in everything. That's what makes life, life. Otherwise, you just a bot wearing brown shoes.
Exactly. Be true to yourself was something he preached.
Zappa fans know about those brown shoes, don’t we?
Thanks for posting this. Growing up in the 80s, Prince and FZ were two of my favorite artists . My other Prince fan friends didn't get it. I always thought they had a lot of similarities. Both great guitarists and composers. Both super prolific. Both hated the record companies. Both probably wrote too many songs about sexual activity! Sadly, both left us too soon.
Very astute post. I need to get a little more reacquainted with Zappa, and I’m becoming more interested in Prince. At the moment I have "1999", and am kinda surprised I liked it as much as I did. Not that I hated Prince or anything, I just wasn’t all that interested until I actually heard him.
Anyways you make a good point in that there certainly are similarities between the two.
@@jmad627 1999 is actually my favorite Prince album. Especially the last half with the weirder / darker songs like Automatic, Something in the Water, Lady Cab Driver... etc. Hot Rats and Joe's Garage are my two favorite FZ albums. Check out Prince's instrumental "Alexa De Paris" and Zappa's instrumental "Watermelon in Easter Hay". They had a similar melodic lead guitar style with those songs.
@jmad627: I echo what Joey Day says. Joe's Garage is a great introduction to Frank Zappa. It is musically accessible. It showcases his guitar work. And it showcases his sense of humor and ability to satire. I'd also point out that this dystopian 'rock opera' is as relevant today as it was in 1979. Sadly, in many ways the world hasn't changed much.
Well said.
@@POODLEBITES the majority of German I know, I learned from Stick It Out.
"I'm goin to another world. How 'bout you?" The last line of that monologue playing at the end.
And so he did...
davita 44... thanks for watching until the end. I played that line from that song 1,000 times over and over again when 1999 came out. It totally spoke to me. Glad you enjoyed it.
Frank Zappa hit the nail on the head. Because when I saw the Dirty Mind Album. I was intrigued. When I started listening to him. I was thrown off by the images. His music was awesome. I decided later how I interpret Prince's image. His music won me over, not some image. Plus I heard and listened to what world he was propagating. A truly free world. To Love one another. A simple ideation. It functioned. Warner Brothers. served their purpose in the development of this genius. Frank Zappa knows what was good. He didn't judge.
"He didn't judge" In many interviews he goes out of his way to say that people are entitled to listen and consume whatever music they like. and all of it should be made available. Thanks for watching the video and for taking a moment to post a comment.
Prince is intense. Excellent Guitar Player. Awesome.
Thanks for watching.
He was exceptional at EVERYTHING.
The most underrated guitarist and game changer of our time.
Which one? Zappa or Prince?
@@milesknightestrada3286 Prince
Thanks, Shiny for the post.
@@shiny_dreamer Amen.
@@milesknightestrada3286 both
i played his albums in my store on Haight St in San Francisco every day
until my staff protested😂
my great regret never seeing him in concert...
he played every instrument on his albums
his song "Wanna be your lover" was my favorite song in fifth grade , late 70's
i saw him sing it on American Bandstand, my jaw dropping,
in his long hair and Earth Wind and Fire tie dye jumpsuit,
and he astonished me even more by barely answering Dick Clark s interview after
yeah, I wish I had seen him live as well.
I only ever got to see Prince live once, in 1992 and it is still one of the best gigs I've been to and I've been to a lot of gigs.Absolute
There's a lot of his live performances on here (RUclips) and it looks like he put on a fantastic show.
Same here. I saw him in 1998. That memory will never fade.
High praise indeed. Miss em both
So do I.
Way back then when Warner Bros signed him they wanted Maurice White to produce his first album & tried to get Ray Parker Jr to “ help” Prince refine the track “ Sexy Dancer” Ray Parker Jr did not c anything to add 2 the project. The rest is history!
From what little I know about Prince it it's hard to believe that anyone would be able to produce him. From all accounts Prince was single minded and knew what he wanted. And that paid off.
@@POODLEBITES 👁 concur! Record companies always want 2 play it “safe. “ Take no chances. If it’s not broken, don’t fix it.
Zappa is very well qualified in the music world & very very clever Man,I like this video 👍
Thank you.
Frank Zappa, Sun Ra and Prince were as entertaining in their interviews as their music.
Glad you found this one entertaining.
My two favorite guitarists of all time. I love this.
Really glad you enjoy the video.
I have been a huuuuge fan of both Prince and Frank, and hearing Frank's opinion on Prince as an artist in the industry, was really nice :)) ...and how I miss hearing Frank's opinion and views these days
Right? It's killing me that he's not here to comment.
I agree wholeheartedly about Prince did what he wanted to do. It didn't matter if you liked his work or you didn't. He did it his way. And he had fun doing it why he was here. Bravo Prince. I loved 99.9% of what he did.
Thanks, Key. I came away with the same message. He was his own man.
Their guitar playing had so many similarities it's too bad Zappa and Prince never crossed paths.
That would have been pretty cool. Zappa was fond of sharing the stage (John Lennon, Simon & Garfunkel, Al Di Meola. to name a few)).
Eh? Are you serious? Apart from the fact that they’re both playing electric guitar, there almost no similarities between Zappa’s playing style and Prince’s!
It’s staggering to me how someone could make such a claim with a straight face! And I’m not putting down Prince’s playing, the guy could play an instantly recognisable style, you knew it was him, and that’s a rare thing…but he’s nowhere near Zappa!
Plenty of record companies.
But REAL creative genius musical artists are very rare.
True. I wonder how many musical geniuses have been stunted or squashed by record companies.
Business is business. And not to get overly preachy but the pursuit of the dollar turns otherwise good people into assholes.
As a Zappa fan, (top 3 artist of all-time for me), I Can’t believe I’m just now finding this channel. Great content, hope to see more George Duke & Captain Beefheart related work soon too!
I'm so glad you found the channel. There's much more to come. But it takes a while to put this stuff together. Thanks for the encouragement.
I saw the Rainbow Children concert and couldn’t listen to any other type of music for almost an entire week. Dude was a musical genius that continued to evolved.
Thanks for taking a moment and sharing, Konstantin
Prince wanted Sign 'O' The Times to be a 3 record set called Crystal Ball in 1987. Warner Bros corporate fools said no - forcing Prince to edited it down to the standard 2 record set. So Prince released a Crystal Ball 3 CD set on his own indie label NPG Records in 1997. Then hypocritical Warner Bros releases a Sign O The Times Super Deluxe 8 CD set and extra DVD in 2020 after Prince has died. What assholes.
In 1987 / 90s, even Guns and Roses had failed to get the Use Your Illusion series to sell properly. 22 years later we have online streaming and releasing as much material as possible makes more sense. Not advocating for the label, but no one or not many would have listened to 3 discs of that one Prince album back then when you actually needed the CD to play it.
Thanks for that insight. I know very little about Prince aside from the few albums I own and listen to.
@@MrSpencerMcIntosh Prince was more of a hit maker than Guns N' Roses were as they had a limited rocker metalhead fandom. Prince was a rebel with a diverse racially mixed fandom of black funk/white rock/synth pop fans. His rules were no rules. Warner Bros thought he was a crazy freak but if the Prince fans in the '80s would buy a double album, then they would likely buy a triple album. Prince's first double album 1999 was his first big mainstream hit in 1982. Warner Bros did release Prince The Hits/B-Sides triple album in 1993 and that was a hit, too, proving Prince wasn't so crazy to want a triple album in 1987.
@@StevieStitches I think they were just nervous because his album sales were declining after Purple Rain.
@@StevieStitchesGNR sold way more than Prince from their first album to Use your illusion albums.
35 million appetite fit destruction in 87 compared to less than 2 million of SOTT.
Use your illusion sold even more.
Lies was huge too.
They were the biggest band those years and Prince was commercially in decline.
Hi. I spent 20 Years studying The two Vaults & The relationship between them. Either Frank Than Prince considered their work as an Unique Piece of Art. Actually I do considering myself one of the Biggest Historical Researcher regarding Them World wide. I Either wrote a Book analysing note by note, release by release of Their Music in order to understand the Philosophy of The Vault. I can say in first hand that Prince was obsessed with Frank. There are many Music Fragments that he took from Frank. (I won't say which or how many, but is easy to find out). 20 years researching & listening only Them. & I still continue. I do that because I'm building My Vault. Is the Third. My Goal is to Release 81 Albums. It would be the biggest Self Producing Music Acomplishment for the next generations. I'm using Frank & Prince advices to built mine.
best wishes for getting your 81 albums out.
I think it's safe to say that the appreciation is reciprocal: sign o the times - just to mention one iconic record - presents a lot of zappa-like elements, and in general Prince s approach to music is not different from Zappa s. In both cases, exploring and experimentation are the keys. Not to mention the deep love for music these two giants had.
Great comment, Raffaele. "exploring and experimentation" That's what draws me to FZ.
Prince was God's gift to music. I love him to def.
Dat means doe can't any you Finnadookies spoke english
Thanks for the post ROCKNROLLFAN. It helps the channel.
A genius talking about another genius. Both were powerful enough to do what they wanted and didn't let themselves be dictated to by a few white-collar workers from behind their desks.
You may find this interesting. It's relatively short and goes to your point
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Zappa was right - Prince was a genius, just like Frank himself! 💜💜💜💜💜💜❤ 4ever
Thanks for taking a moment to watch and to post.
Regarding the explicit lyrics warning labels: Prince remained quiet on it because he didn't give a shit lol...a warning label wasn't gonna have any effect on what he put out. Plus he's on record as saying he didn't think parents being given a heads-up on lyrical content was necessarily bad.
As Zappa became more outspoken against labels and ratings, he spoke about unintended consequences. Namely, mayor record store refusing to rack explicit albums. And while Prince may or may not have given a shit about warning labels, had the PMRC and the PTA gotten their list of demands implement it could have (could have) impacted Prince's ability to get some of his albums into some of the nationwide chains.
@@POODLEBITES - Prince would eventually come up with alternate ways of selling his albums that didn't require traditional chains, so I don't think that would have stopped him, either. I mean, he was so huge at the time of the PMRC that he could have sold albums from the trunk of his car and still gone platinum lol. Record companies would have cared, though...but he would also break off signing long term contracts with record labels as well, so not sure that would have hindered him much, either.
@@endorphinzz Well, I dunno about that. Prince released one of his albums “20Ten”, exclusively through a few European newspapers…you bought the paper, you got the CD for free. My local newsagents shop in Scotland had loads of copies of the CD left over and I asked what they were doing with them, and she ended up giving them all to me for nothing! There was about 30 of them.
They ended up in a drawer in my house until the man sadly passed away, and because they were an exclusively European deal, they became a hot property for non-European fans on the ‘net.
I put them up for sale on Discogs and sold them all within a week!
Thanks to Prince I paid my long overdue electricity bill!
That is so cool. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
Zappa and Prince sound similar in many ways. I’m surprised it hadn’t been more recognized.
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Zappa went after strong people and challenged them. He didn't bully weak people
That's a great point. He did not take on anyone that couldn't defend themselves.
Gonna be a loooooooooong time before we see anything resembling Prince. Zappa was very astute.
The only thing that can replace Prince is... Prince cause there has never been a man like him before nor will there ever be a man like him ever again. ONE OF A KIND!
Thanks for watching, Rod.
As they say - Real recognize real
Agreed
Prince was easily one of the best guitarist we've ever seen. Can play multiple style and NO ONE can touch his funkiness, production, and creativity!!
You know... FZ wasn't so bad on guitar either. Totally different style. But if you're a guitar person and you haven't been exposed to his stuff, reply here and I'll shoot over a link to one of his solos.
Thanks for putting this together I had no idea
my pleasure
@@POODLEBITES Do you like or know Cardiacs? I wonder if Frank liked them.
Now that Zappa has commented on Prince, my all time fav artist, I will do research on Zappa cause I’ve heard of his name but know nothing about his artistry. Never heard any of his music. I like independent minded artists who don’t seem to give a fk about what the labels think is appropriate to release, and continue on with their unique creativeness. I only heard “ Bambi” Undertaker style, after Prince’s death. Back when he did it Warner would not allow him to release it, because of their ongoing dispute .
Rex - I feel the same way about independent thinkers and creators. Thanks for the post.
Zappa´s music is very varied, and he released tons of stuff. Maybe you dont like the first thing you found, but will like others. Just like it happened with Prince to me. Zappa and Prince were worlaholic geniuses.
Zappa's "The Black Page" for starters...
Apostrophe is Zappa's best album,and easiest to listen too! You'll be hooked after that!
I, too, knew Zappa only by name and nothing of his immense catalog. I grew up around people that listened to him, but, what little I WAS hearing felt so over my head. I've recently been exposed to more and more of his stuff and learning how truly unique he is.
I've seen interviews of musicians from his bands and - WOW - the respect FZ gets... (Steve Vai gives a great one that elevated my respect for the caliber of drummers he needed to work with.) I mean George Duke, Steve Vai... and the many others that hopefully people will add...
My favorite album right now is Grand Wazoo, particularly the track Blessed Relief. I think hardcore FZ people would poopoo the recommendation, but I think it's a good intro for people getting their Zappa feet wet! It's the one that hooked me.
What is the tune Prince is playing live at 52 seconds in? I'm feeling that.
I found it, and I am so glad I did:
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@@POODLEBITES 13 minutes of Prince wizardry. I was listening to a lecture by Jungian Psychoanalyst Robert Moore recently. He was talking about the Magician archetype within the psyche. He said, if you want to see a true Magus, look at Prince.
Wise words from another creative genesis!
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I really enjoyed putting this one together. Thanks for watching / listening.
I don’t believe in the afterlife but if I did I imagine they would meet somewhere over the rainbow and get along just fine.
what a great compilation video from two great artists and how lucky are we to have lived in a period of time they shared with us? Now they are gone and it’s up to us to carry their Lessons and legacies through our own endeavours creative or otherwise. Teach.
"I don’t believe in the afterlife but if I did I imagine they would meet somewhere over the rainbow and get along just fine." Extremely well said. I wholeheartedly agree.
I gotta start listening to Zappa now.
Please let me know if you would like a few suggestions.
Both were crazy workaholics who produced vaults full of material.
We Zappa fans are getting quite a lot of vault releases. I hope the Prince curators are releasing some of his stuff to his fans.
All the best music comes from those whose music sounds like THEY made it and conceptualized the whole thing, and not major labels looking for a lick off of a trend they don't understand.
Could not agree more. Stuff that stands apart from the rest is most appealing to me.
Prince was also a Frank Zappa fan, he sample Zappa at least once.
Indeed he did.
Prince had control of his CREATIVITY!! you gotta respect that, and why would labels care about artist, it the end of the day its just business!!
5 little letters... M O N E Y ........ that's this worlds god.
Thanks for taking the time to add your post. Greatly appreciated.
both had very same important habits in common. the high professionalism towards what theyre doing, constant working ethics onntheir works and constant recording themselves or doing sessions of all sorts. zappa was a tad bit more open minded thou
They also have a large vault of unreleased music.
Saw Prince four times a while ago.
Does not need Zappa's appraisal.
Prince was the peak performer.
Thanks for taking the time to add your post. Greatly appreciated.
I saw Prince many times Whse was a teenager playing at Bunkers bar in Minneapolis.
How cool is that!! I bet those were great shows.
None of the comments reflect the central point Zappa was making, which was that Prince and his record label had worked out a relationship so that there would be no interference from the company.
In other words, Prince retained full creative control of his product.
thanks for adding your post.
Prince, my love💜💜💜💜
And you would have felt how about him had he NOT had significantly White features?
Hope you enjoyed the video.
Two of the realest right there.
Glad you enjoyed it.
My 2 favorite musicians. Wow! That was cool.
Really glad you enjoyed it.
“I tip my hat to you. One legend to another”
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It’s interesting. A lot of these great creative souls don’t check out other peoples music. They are too into creating their own thing. Prince didn’t know any of Bowies music, Zappa says he doesn’t know Princess….
...and no collaborations to speak of. There were some in the 70s, 80's and 90's. Not sure if there's anymore of that today.
please what 's the song at 3 minutes 10 /100 at the end of this vidéo .thanks a lot .
Let's Pretend We're Married. Prince. 1999.
Where is the whole interview of the clip at 1:46?
Society Pages interviewed FZ at his home in 1989. You can find the entire thing on Zappateers for download. Here's what I found on RUclips: ruclips.net/video/tS_sBOjUebY/видео.html
Frank should have heard Prince play the guitar.
well, at least listening to this video will motivate some to check that out.
Always wondered what Zappa thought of Prince.
...and now you know! Thanks for watching.
We will never in my lifetime see another performer like Prince.
Thanks for taking the time to add your post. Greatly appreciated.
Zappa and Prince were similar in that they were totally consummate artists. I have about 40gb of Zappa interviews from all eras, covering every kind of topic you could imagine. Message me if you want some.
Thanks, Elizabeth. I have a bunch that I downloaded from Zappateers.
did Zappa say other things about Prince? I am a Prince fan and I love Zappa, but I never saw many comments coming from Zappa about Prince´s music. Usually about his battle against censorship and such.
@@darkbluebossa Other than this clip and the PMRC stuff, with Zappa saying Prince has a right to sing about anything he likes... I've not heard anything else. I've heard him compliment the likes of Steely Dan and Rufus in interviews from the 70s.
@@elizabethanderson2968 that´s what I imagined. I was into Zappa heavily for some years, and I never saw anything about Prince´s music.
Can we have this without the music in the background?
Sorry, no. It's the way I edit.
Another Example is Bill Nelson.
Thanks, Francois Johannson
Kevin Smith is a fan of Prince like I'm a fan of Zappa.
Thanks for taking a moment to post.
I’ve often wondered why artists don’t start their own label or labels.
With streaming and the advances to eCommerce it shouldn't be difficult to do.
Prince sampled Zappa in a few songs
Frank saw P at a party and decided to go say hi but Prince ran away 😂
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prince with james blackwell was amazing
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A lot of princes effects and guitar sound is very reminiscent of Zappa. I have to think he listened to his music when making his own
Many who have posted comments have made similar observations. I appreciate your contribution.
I miss him...
yeah, me too. fortunately there's a ton of material that continues to get released. so there's that.
The man lived a hundred lives
Thanks for popping by and watching.
What are all the prince tracks that are played in this video?
Taken from 1999 - except the featured solo. That's from the song Shhh.
Zappa makes a great point, remember Warner Bros wanted to have Maurice White from Earth Wind and Fire produce Princes first album, that would have undoubtedly diminished Princes uniqueness as an artist.
William... I hope, in time, there will be more videos on this channel where people can come away and say "Zappa makes a great point..."
"Prince is a genius and Prince is the Boss"
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What was the performance with the red guitar? What song is it?
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Not a big fan of Prince but wish he was in a rock-band that played hard or metal because he's one of the greatest guitar players I've ever heard his version of while my guitar gently sleeps is better than Claptons
and better than George Harrison's.
I highly suggest checking out his live performance of Bambi and the ride. Prince shredded his guitar like no other. Its sad how a lot of his work is overshadowed by purple rain. Don't get me wrong, Purple rain is iconic. But that's only a molecule of what Prince was. ruclips.net/video/QAkuBIHWvxQ/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/g3-cn44_K6o/видео.html
Let me know what u think!
Prince had a hard rock era with his all female band 3rdeyegirl. There are some shows and performances by them on RUclips
or like his great outfits ...
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0:50 what is this track? sexy bass
and the last track could easily be a zappa bit
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@@POODLEBITES I should have known that.... Thanks mate!
Zappa once said he was at an industry event and saw Prince there, but when he walked over to introduce himself, Prince got kind of nervous and slinked away.
Someone else here made the same comment. Wish I could read / listen to the source.
What performance was this with the red stratocaster?
Sorry, Lewis. I should have noted that.
@@POODLEBITES please tell me what it is, I'm pulling my hair out trying to find that live performance
@@PibbXtraGaming this? ruclips.net/video/H4PjRCr2aEg/видео.html
@@POODLEBITES God bless you kind sir!
maybe not the guys in the valley but the guys on top certainly could/can and they call the shots of who gets the breaks
nothing to diminish prince but it´s just a fact
thanks, nillehessy for taking a moment and posting.
In my view, it appears Zappa was castigating or critiquing record companies for getting in the way of the vision of an artist. It just happened that prince was one of those that the wrecker company at the time got out of the way, mostly, to allow prince to grow. Experiment. Expresses artistic and spiritual combination with sexuality, or rather more specifically explore it. However two factors, prince was fully supported so he could focus on his music during the Warner Bros.. Records era. When he went independent sometime around midnight he’s 1996 or so Prince had to put on a lot of more hats which distracted and affected his work to some degree. So therefore it’s sort of a careful balance of not getting weight in the way of an artist and what they want to do and expressed them selves and supporting that artist financially taking care of the logistics of tours Management etc. booking itineraries you know the deal. Anyways Zappa seem to be observing someone from a distance within the music industry at that time. A lot of the footage of prince Moses from out of that time later on in his career. Interesting though that Zappa spoke about Prince on record an interview I never knew and I’ve been a prince fan for decades.
Thanks for the comment. thanks for watching the video.
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Frank was pretty miffed about having to defend Darling Nikki to the PMRC on Prince's behalf. He talked about it in his autobiography.
I'll need to look that up. Thanks for pointing it out.
@@POODLEBITES From The Real Frank Zappa Book (1989): "The PMRC's list of people signed to member labels of the RIAA who were 'offensive' in 1985 was pretty ridiculous. The Captain and Tennille were on it for 'Do That to Me One More Time'. The Jacksons were on for 'Torture'. Bruce Springsteen was on for 'I'm on Fire', and, of course, Prince, for the fabulous 'Darling Nikki'. Where was he throughout all this? He went apeshit and sued some spaghetti company for calling their product 'Prince', but remained curiously silent during the record-ratings stuff."
@@TheKitchenerLeslie fuck me. Wish I had thought to look that up. It would have been a great addition to the video. Thanks for sharing.
@@POODLEBITES Sorry. Maybe just add the quote into the description?
@@TheKitchenerLeslie that’s a good idea. May I give you credit for pointing that out?? If not no worries
Prince was a really shy person and he let the government and PMRC bully him just like they were bullying all of pop music, and he didn't know how to state his case.
There's what you wrote. To be sure. I also think he was so focused on his music and his career that the PMRC thing was an uninvited distraction. And so he chose not to get involved.
Frank actually ended up suing Warner Brothers after they tried to rip him off. He won in the end.
...and we are all that much better off for it with the re releases of his back catalogue.
Kinda disappointed, i wish he acknowledged what a brilliant player he was. It's a shame he didnt explore Prince's live bootleg albums. His albums are classics but he really spreads out in a live setting. Frank would really dig it. Shame we can't hear them cover each other. Hopefully in the future, AI can do some convincing deep fake stuff 😂
The mere fact that Frank Zappa had something positive to say about another artist - especially one so commercially successful - is incredibly rare.
@@POODLEBITES oh, indeed. It's not lost on me. Are there any other examples of him giving praise to pop stars? My point was thar he seemed more impressed w the politics between the artist and label than the music, when had he been exposed to more of Prince's playing, he would have really dug it.
This interview was obviously before Warner Bros f****d Prince over.
yup.
I'm going to make you Millions of dollars Warner Brothers!. All I ask is that you Let me run This! and you stay out of my way!. I'm a Professional Chef and I have all the utensils and Ingredients to Prepare Delicious Dishes!.
A great way to put it.
I get the sense that Zappa hates Warner Brothers more than he likes prince
I got the sense that despite his deep animosity towards WB, he admired the deal Prince was able to negotiate with them. That was my take away.
Someone needs to suggest to Tipper Gore, that the explicit lyrics label has made music worse. The level of vulgarity on a level she never imagined, is where we are, today.
fortunately for me I stopped listening to new music right around 1985.
When did Frank Zappa pass away?
1993
Prince was Black Zappa!
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Ha, Frank didn’t live long enough to see how things ended up between Prince and Warner Bros…
...but he wouldn't have been suprised.
glowing?
Yeah. Absolutely glowering. Particularly when one considers that FZ rarely had anything positive to say about anything. Especially things related to pop culture. So, yes, absolutely glowing.
I THOUGHT PRINCE WAS
A..GOOD GUITARIST AND THATS ABOUT IT FOR. ME.
Sounds like Emilio Estevez doing the interview. There's all this _documentation_ yet no mention of who it is. Kinda lousy music journalism on your part.
Yeah, there's room for improvement when citing sources. Sorry about that. This interview was conducted 12/88 by the editors of Society Pages, the one time FZ Fanfine. Emilio Estevez, to the best of my knowledge, wasn't there that day.
Who is the "I'm too cool" interviewer?
The interviewer was the editor of the Zappa fanzine "Society Pages".
@@POODLEBITES Thanks.
Frank likes purple.
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He probably loved that these conservatively dressed ladies protesting his lyrics, sat there and primly recited his lyrics out loud. Hilarious.
He pointed that out a few times. And it is hilarious to hear them recite those lyrics on national TV.
Prince is the greatest musician of the last century.. Who did it like this? He is the greatest guitarist right.. ask Eric Clapton.. only Jimi is up there.. and he surpassed Jimi cause Jimi played a couple instruments.. and No one dances like that.. w a guitar in high heels.. while everyone talked shit bout em.. and like a true artist he made songs off that shit... all Dem ppl u compare couldn't pick his green m&Ms out in the green room
Thanks for the post and comment. It helps the channel.
I never cared about Prince’s image. Far too much going on with the music to be distracted by something like image. Sure, it’s there to notice, but it’s way in the background.
Thanks for watching though.