Quick correction: The size of tubing inserted into the recoil buffer is 5/16" outer diameter, not 5/8" as stated in the video. Sorry for the confusion.
In my tri-shot shotgun Cyma I made the so-called Teflonfix on the inner barrels. The bucking seal with the inner barrel was poor to say the least. Additionally, a bit of Teflon tape wrapped around the bucking acted as a HU pressure (hu nub), thanks to which I could use heavier BBs due to the stronger bucking pressure after assembling the chamber. Now at 0.28g-0.30g my spring shotgun shoots easily at 50-55m. Previously, barely at 35-40m. I assume that it would also help in Saiga TM, or at least it wouldn't hurt ;) after all, the solution for connecting the HU bucking to the internal barrels is the same as in spring salt shakers ;) .
I think it’s cause he appeals to older airsofters rather than appealing to kids or what’s most popular. He doesn’t try to get the most views by making the usual content like cheater drama with hyper dramatic thumbnails and titles, he stays in his lane making incredibly informative videos on niche topics or reviews on expensive guns few can afford. Just honest respectable good quality content you can’t find anywhere else.
I like the smaller channels more in every aspect. They put more work into their videos and with more work I mean actually quality content that is self made, geniune (granted a lot are hyped about new toys but it's still a geniune opinion). Larger channels become commercialized, more sponsors, more things they have to be careful about what they upload because they have sponsors or even marketing companies behind them etc. Smaller channels upload every crap they want to and that appeals to me way more than those slick marketing videos of bigger channels.
The 33/2 mold number is incorrect for a civilian Saiga ; but it’s just Marui reusing the mold from their AKM pistol grip, just with a different plastic infill :) 33/2 is correct for the 1975 Ijmash they replicate.
It is such a shame that my local field wont allow gas shotguns, because I would love to buy one of these to use. Thanks again for another excellent review! Always a pleasure to watch your reviews.
Sadly, because some asshats use Joule creep mechanics to their advantage, and shotguns are not easy to chrono. That's what I heard in my area. I blame the assholes that are always trying to bend the rules
I have been wanting to go back to the good old times and get back to airsoft and that's when I stumble upon a goldmine of information about gas rifles, shotguns and pistols. Bloody amazing channel.
Amazing Review man! Really appreciate the in depth review that covers all the details we need to know! Amazing work! Really appreciate all the hard work!
I noticed you posted a picture of a HPA drum mag for this thing on Reddit. Any chance that you will post a video about that? I'm currently in the process of also building a drum mag, but I have a hard time finding auto-winding magazines that have an automatic shut-off. They either keep winding indefinitely, or you have to manually wind them with a button. The only exception I found is the drum magazine for the G&G MG42 that actually does switch off when full and then starts winding again when BB's are fired, but that magazine is 90 bucks... Edit: I ended up using the winding mechanism from a cheap drum mag (a high-cap winding mechanism with a gearbox attached in the hex opening where you would normally insert a winding key). Using an Arduino Nano and two IR sensors, I measure the difference in rotations between the winding wheel and the feed wheel, and make sure there is always a difference of 3 rotations. If the difference is less, this means the motor will keep winding until the spring is wound 3 turns and then stop. After 20 rounds have been fed into the hop-up, the feed wheel will have made a full rotation and the winding wheel will make an extra turn to wind the spring back to a total of 3 rotations. Works very well and is relatively cheap!
Being in Japan recently, it was a pleasure to see this thing in person. The price was very reasonable too at around 50000 yen so good on them for not overcharging. Can’t say the same about the NGRS line now tho holy shit they’ve gone up.
Man 1:40 really brought back some childhood memories. I can still hear the sonic music playing right after that! 😂. Fantasic video, on a gun i want so damn bad lol
NOW THIS is how you do a review…. The attention to detail from start to finish was fantastic.. made it easy for me to decide whether or not to make the purchase! Thank you.
For anyone who plays in a dusty environment, the mags HATE dust. After every game i have to clean the bb feed track woth q tips or else the mags will not feed, even with a stretched spring. A third party magazine is a MUST for dusty fields, the aw drum adapter is a dream for the gun.
Incredible video as always, been looking forward to this one! Excited to start modding mine, wonder how much stress we'd put on the system by increasing the weight of the piston..!
What size external O-ring is on the nozzle mentioned at timestamp 16:11 in the video? I blew mine off running the gun on 90psi HPA and was looking for a replacement. Seemed to run fine without it, but noticed +/- 10 fps variance from 270 fps with .25g bbs.
Hi. Nice video. I brought mine to a forest game 2 days ago, it was insanely fun to play and some of my pal were flabbergasted by the range I could hit them (I use .28 BBs and 130 PSI green gas). You guys are so lucky to have quite easily access to handguards and so forth, I've tried placing an order to a US shop and the part was 40$, shipping + tax were 80$ XD . I'm gonna wait for airsoft parts, it is quite fun to play right out of the box even if it is a bit too "hunty-looking". Cheers from France.
The review we wanted, but not the one we deserved! Thank you for going through such great detail, especially on the externals! You answered almost every single one of my questions. Are all the pinhead screws essential for dissassembly? I guess the side-rail ones aren't, but I can see the front trunnion's are. If I get one I'd be modding most of those screws to look like rivets, as that is pretty much the major thing, that is ruining an otherwise pretty authentic aesthetic 👌
For SBS version, seems Marui went with weaker springs and replaced previously metal elements with plastic in some potentially high touch areas around the trigger guard (?). So, thinking this is the better model to buy…? Hmmm
question ! ,, :) MOST TM gbbrs are made for 134a gas .. have you used green gas , and how is the performance ? any issues or damage to the internals ? / seals ect .. ? thanks :)
im using haley strategic D3CR Heavy as saiga magazine carrier, its perfect fit. a friend of mine using ferro turnover triple 7.62 pouch insert, its ok too.
Airsoft's come a long way since my day... well I say that, Marui is still making overly complex stuff that works perfectly so long as you don't take it apart and let the magic marui fairy dust out XD This should have been the perfect airsoft gat for me, I'd have jumped at this, thankfully your review has shown me quite clearly that I'd entirely wreck those magazines, far too fragile. Fantastic vid!
Fragile is too harsh of a word for it. They're not fragile, you'll just quickly reap the consequences if you try to force them the wrong way. Or mistreat them.
@@CLODXJ6 Oh my friend, you do not understand! I'm from a long forgotten site called Electrowerkz, any story I tell would sound like boasting. We ran hard, we destroyed kit, anything that couldn't keep up with us was cast aside. Those mags would not survive me :D.
At least this gun is getting love somewhere; as far as I've seen most fields here in Japan won't allow it, and they only let you use .2 g BBs on top of that...
The mag loading issue is the exact same on the real one. I used to own one as well as multiple aks and the seiga is just wierd with mag fit as well as the rock and lock
it is so badly made externally .... the details screws insteed of pop rivvets.... just like lct. but i doubt anyone else will make this gun in airsoft anyway.
12kg 'green gas' is just propane in a fancy bottle, so yes. We recommend reinforcing the buffer for long-term use in warmer climates as shown in the video, but otherwise it seems good to go.
Now TM should be able to release a benelli M4 GBBS i guess 🤞 Have you the reference of the spacer for the side folding stock? Since google is a bit messy with 5mm tall spacer 🤐😥
The inner diameter isn't critical, anything 13/64" or wider will work, and it can be up to about 10mm or 3/8" in outer diameter. Part number 92871A040 on McMaster-Carr is a drop-in fit.
Okay I don't know if I'm just going crazy but I swear to God I can hear the Metro 2033 original sound track in the background. All the music is from Metro. You even used the acoustic guitar sound track that's played by the npc. I know the entire metro sound track too well 😂😂😂. But this is the best review of this gun. I want this and the full auto mod is the first thing I'm doing to it
Honestly I was expecting more from Tokyo marui . You know...for 500 boxes I was expeting an adjustable hop up and a magazine a bit more capacious at least.
Hello, guys can you help us? Me and a reddit guy have the same problem. the bolt does not return into battery without a magazine inserted. A few weeks later it would occasionally not return into battery with the magazine inserted, what do you think about? Thanks
Without a doubt the best review on the TM Saiga, I’ve just received mine a week ago, and I’m already excited to fully deck mine out and properly field it once it’s ready. It’s now my fav piece within my whole airsoft collection and its performance is truly remarkable. 🔫🔥
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Quick correction: The size of tubing inserted into the recoil buffer is 5/16" outer diameter, not 5/8" as stated in the video. Sorry for the confusion.
In my tri-shot shotgun Cyma I made the so-called Teflonfix on the inner barrels. The bucking seal with the inner barrel was poor to say the least. Additionally, a bit of Teflon tape wrapped around the bucking acted as a HU pressure (hu nub), thanks to which I could use heavier BBs due to the stronger bucking pressure after assembling the chamber. Now at 0.28g-0.30g my spring shotgun shoots easily at 50-55m. Previously, barely at 35-40m. I assume that it would also help in Saiga TM, or at least it wouldn't hurt ;) after all, the solution for connecting the HU bucking to the internal barrels is the same as in spring salt shakers ;) .
how do you guys make the best reviews i have ever seen and only have 5k subs it aint fair
because he won't sell out to crap shovelers like evike or novshit
I think it’s cause he appeals to older airsofters rather than appealing to kids or what’s most popular. He doesn’t try to get the most views by making the usual content like cheater drama with hyper dramatic thumbnails and titles, he stays in his lane making incredibly informative videos on niche topics or reviews on expensive guns few can afford. Just honest respectable good quality content you can’t find anywhere else.
@@knowtheplan472 absolutely!
Double the sub count now
I like the smaller channels more in every aspect. They put more work into their videos and with more work I mean actually quality content that is self made, geniune (granted a lot are hyped about new toys but it's still a geniune opinion). Larger channels become commercialized, more sponsors, more things they have to be careful about what they upload because they have sponsors or even marketing companies behind them etc. Smaller channels upload every crap they want to and that appeals to me way more than those slick marketing videos of bigger channels.
The 33/2 mold number is incorrect for a civilian Saiga ; but it’s just Marui reusing the mold from their AKM pistol grip, just with a different plastic infill :) 33/2 is correct for the 1975 Ijmash they replicate.
Thanks for the info!
Thank you for this extensive review. It’s always an excellent day when your stuff pops up 🙏
Gentlemen, this is how you do a review of a gun, mods included. Bravo.
The fact that you caught the Marui writing on the gun is very funny and highly impressive!
So the Marui Saiga is a roller locked system? :D
nothing quite beats that Tokyo Marui "it just works" feeling. My M3 Super 90 has over 20 years of use, and just keeps working!
Yep, leave it alone, and the Marui magic inside stays inside - mostly ;)
Boy bet that thing is worth some big bucks. Sweet gun!
It is such a shame that my local field wont allow gas shotguns, because I would love to buy one of these to use. Thanks again for another excellent review! Always a pleasure to watch your reviews.
Then buy it just for the fun of it. I have plenty of those guns too. Like a 1.4J Desert Eagle, yeah, that's not seeing a game any time soon.
Sadly, because some asshats use Joule creep mechanics to their advantage, and shotguns are not easy to chrono.
That's what I heard in my area.
I blame the assholes that are always trying to bend the rules
@pjclumsy4157for real
@pjclumsy4157I understand co2 restrictions but green gas is straight ridiculous
Your local field sounds like its run by fudd's.
I have been wanting to go back to the good old times and get back to airsoft and that's when I stumble upon a goldmine of information about gas rifles, shotguns and pistols. Bloody amazing channel.
Amazing Review man! Really appreciate the in depth review that covers all the details we need to know! Amazing work! Really appreciate all the hard work!
"It just works."
So glad to see Todd and Bethesda branching out!
This channel is criminally underrated
Amazing work as usual! With such a detailed and in depth review, Marui should be sponsoring the video!
Such a great review! I'd love to see a review of the WE M14, that would be really interesting
I noticed you posted a picture of a HPA drum mag for this thing on Reddit. Any chance that you will post a video about that?
I'm currently in the process of also building a drum mag, but I have a hard time finding auto-winding magazines that have an automatic shut-off. They either keep winding indefinitely, or you have to manually wind them with a button.
The only exception I found is the drum magazine for the G&G MG42 that actually does switch off when full and then starts winding again when BB's are fired, but that magazine is 90 bucks...
Edit: I ended up using the winding mechanism from a cheap drum mag (a high-cap winding mechanism with a gearbox attached in the hex opening where you would normally insert a winding key). Using an Arduino Nano and two IR sensors, I measure the difference in rotations between the winding wheel and the feed wheel, and make sure there is always a difference of 3 rotations. If the difference is less, this means the motor will keep winding until the spring is wound 3 turns and then stop. After 20 rounds have been fed into the hop-up, the feed wheel will have made a full rotation and the winding wheel will make an extra turn to wind the spring back to a total of 3 rotations. Works very well and is relatively cheap!
This is the most in depth review I have ever seen. I feel ashamed for not finding your content sooner. Subbed.
11:21 "3.6 - not great, not terrible" great Chernobyl reference
I was going to comment that !
Being in Japan recently, it was a pleasure to see this thing in person. The price was very reasonable too at around 50000 yen so good on them for not overcharging. Can’t say the same about the NGRS line now tho holy shit they’ve gone up.
Why is this channel so good, I can't afford to keep watching
A lot of engineering in this thing.
And yet they couldn't include an adjustable hopup.
I'm not even interested in airsoft but this review is really good. This man knows his saigas.
Love the S.T.A.L.K.E.R music in the background
Does green gas work fine. If not could I have link to everything I need to use propane. And a link to the mag pouches you use please.
Damn, I took that Albert 01 portion personally
I've really enjoy the background music durring "History and Identity", pretty good Stalker vibes !!
Man 1:40 really brought back some childhood memories. I can still hear the sonic music playing right after that! 😂. Fantasic video, on a gun i want so damn bad lol
This channel does a great job at making me want guns i had no interest in.
Its interesting that they went with a large nozzle bore spliced into 3 nozzles. It gives me some insight into how i may improve my HPA'ed AA-12 build.
Definitely looks like we could put an adjustable hop in this too.
Fuck it, dude. I just wanted a Saiga since I learned guns were a thing.
NOW THIS is how you do a review…. The attention to detail from start to finish was fantastic.. made it easy for me to decide whether or not to make the purchase! Thank you.
and the stalker call of pripyat fight theme in the intro nice
finally i bought this beauty
you did great pronouncing all these Russian words
Are we gonna get a review on the SBS?
You've already made me want to build the Colt LMG, get a Desert Eagle, and now you make me want a Saiga
this, but hpa adapter and aeg mags
Incredible in depth review!
Amazing review, do you think you could do one on one of the GBBR's that E&L is going to release in the future?
For anyone who plays in a dusty environment, the mags HATE dust. After every game i have to clean the bb feed track woth q tips or else the mags will not feed, even with a stretched spring. A third party magazine is a MUST for dusty fields, the aw drum adapter is a dream for the gun.
The mag issues are the same on the real saiga. Glad to see that it translates well to airsoft
What do you mean by mag valve fully open, half closed, 3/4 closed?????
Incredible video as always, been looking forward to this one! Excited to start modding mine, wonder how much stress we'd put on the system by increasing the weight of the piston..!
Great review. Used system sounds similar to G3's rolling block so interesting.
What size external O-ring is on the nozzle mentioned at timestamp 16:11 in the video? I blew mine off running the gun on 90psi HPA and was looking for a replacement. Seemed to run fine without it, but noticed +/- 10 fps variance from 270 fps with .25g bbs.
Hi. Nice video. I brought mine to a forest game 2 days ago, it was insanely fun to play and some of my pal were flabbergasted by the range I could hit them (I use .28 BBs and 130 PSI green gas). You guys are so lucky to have quite easily access to handguards and so forth, I've tried placing an order to a US shop and the part was 40$, shipping + tax were 80$ XD . I'm gonna wait for airsoft parts, it is quite fun to play right out of the box even if it is a bit too "hunty-looking". Cheers from France.
I´m looking forward for the tuning parts that will come.
The review we wanted, but not the one we deserved!
Thank you for going through such great detail, especially on the externals! You answered almost every single one of my questions. Are all the pinhead screws essential for dissassembly? I guess the side-rail ones aren't, but I can see the front trunnion's are. If I get one I'd be modding most of those screws to look like rivets, as that is pretty much the major thing, that is ruining an otherwise pretty authentic aesthetic 👌
Hello, I really love so much the mod you made. Is it possible to have a part list / link for buy? Thanks
For SBS version, seems Marui went with weaker springs and replaced previously metal elements with plastic in some potentially high touch areas around the trigger guard (?). So, thinking this is the better model to buy…? Hmmm
question ! ,, :) MOST TM gbbrs are made for 134a gas .. have you used green gas , and how is the performance ? any issues or damage to the internals ? / seals ect .. ? thanks :)
im using haley strategic D3CR Heavy as saiga magazine carrier, its perfect fit. a friend of mine using ferro turnover triple 7.62 pouch insert, its ok too.
Do you know if it would be possible to mount a CSS SIGHT RAIL MOUNT for saiga on this one ?
I love that speedsofters are always trying trade at the least so they call it late and shoot after they're hit. at least half the time
Now. Someone comes up with a Tapp drum mag adapter for it so we can run the HPA drum mag 1500rds of goodness
Airsoft's come a long way since my day... well I say that, Marui is still making overly complex stuff that works perfectly so long as you don't take it apart and let the magic marui fairy dust out XD
This should have been the perfect airsoft gat for me, I'd have jumped at this, thankfully your review has shown me quite clearly that I'd entirely wreck those magazines, far too fragile.
Fantastic vid!
Fragile is too harsh of a word for it.
They're not fragile, you'll just quickly reap the consequences if you try to force them the wrong way. Or mistreat them.
@@CLODXJ6 Oh my friend, you do not understand! I'm from a long forgotten site called Electrowerkz, any story I tell would sound like boasting.
We ran hard, we destroyed kit, anything that couldn't keep up with us was cast aside.
Those mags would not survive me :D.
At least this gun is getting love somewhere; as far as I've seen most fields here in Japan won't allow it, and they only let you use .2 g BBs on top of that...
The mag loading issue is the exact same on the real one. I used to own one as well as multiple aks and the seiga is just wierd with mag fit as well as the rock and lock
What are your thoughts on hpaing this bad boy? I think it would be quite the monster
it is so badly made externally .... the details screws insteed of pop rivvets.... just like lct. but i doubt anyone else will make this gun in airsoft anyway.
Can it handle co2? and are those drums comming from tokyo marui?
so marui basiaclly make a fucking (bearing)roller-delay for airsoft, legit.
It is sad that they didn’t do the Russian fire selector markings.
It’s almost like a better/gas version of the AA-12.
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great work as always.
I have a question tho.
Can it run 12kg Green gas?
12kg 'green gas' is just propane in a fancy bottle, so yes. We recommend reinforcing the buffer for long-term use in warmer climates as shown in the video, but otherwise it seems good to go.
@@ExplosiveEnterprises Thanks man ! I thought it can take only 9 kg cause it's TM. By the way How many rounds do this badboy has been through?
Just earned yourself a new subscriber because of your attention to detail and effort of research. 🔬
The airsoft version is more reliable than the real version
Just like the g36 :D
What sight is that?? I need it for my collection.
Any issues using propane that you can tell like the weak return spring on the mws
Most highly anticipated? Nahhhhhhhh I bet the VFC M249 is.
I really like this gun and want to get one at some point but to bad it’s probably gonna be banned by a lot of fields
This with the hpa adapter i think would be amazing
1:07 this just reminds me of a Battlefield 4 soldier, I like it!
if it was only shell ejecting but still very cool
This is the best breakdown and run through thus far. Thank you Good sirs!
something about seeing screws where rivets go is unnerving
Ahhh cmon you can do better than that unworn gorka.
Now TM should be able to release a benelli M4 GBBS i guess 🤞
Have you the reference of the spacer for the side folding stock? Since google is a bit messy with 5mm tall spacer 🤐😥
The inner diameter isn't critical, anything 13/64" or wider will work, and it can be up to about 10mm or 3/8" in outer diameter. Part number 92871A040 on McMaster-Carr is a drop-in fit.
@@ExplosiveEnterprises thank you ☺️ I also had in mind to make a Battlefield 3 Saiga 12k so your video is a blessing 👌
Could you do a video on the WE AK74?
Trishot... Gas... Saiga...
Never thought I'd see the day!
HE MADE A AIRSOFT ATF FELONY THATS AWESOME
This is the best TM Saiga12k reviews
This is premium reviewing !
30:19 full auto saiga is just wild
what i get more range and power if i hpa tap it?
Get out of here, Stalker! Good review.
I love my saiga but magazines are non existent
20 rounds drum mag when please?
Which is Better
Saiga or KSG ? ?
Forgotten airsoft .........good review.
Okay I don't know if I'm just going crazy but I swear to God I can hear the Metro 2033 original sound track in the background. All the music is from Metro. You even used the acoustic guitar sound track that's played by the npc. I know the entire metro sound track too well 😂😂😂. But this is the best review of this gun. I want this and the full auto mod is the first thing I'm doing to it
lol this video is such a fashion show
Holy shit.
Now this is a review.
Honestly I was expecting more from Tokyo marui .
You know...for 500 boxes I was expeting an adjustable hop up and a magazine a bit more capacious at least.
Where did you get the kobra?
Hello, guys can you help us? Me and a reddit guy have the same problem. the bolt does not return into battery without a magazine inserted. A few weeks later it would occasionally not return into battery with the magazine inserted, what do you think about? Thanks
2:14 The Vepr 12 was adopted by the French RAID Law Enforcement unit, in substantial numbers.
Without a doubt the best review on the TM Saiga, I’ve just received mine a week ago, and I’m already excited to fully deck mine out and properly field it once it’s ready. It’s now my fav piece within my whole airsoft collection and its performance is truly remarkable. 🔫🔥
Excellent video. I'm very appreciateive of your dissasembly of it
Excellent video as always