What do you think?? The renogy is now $269 only $10 difference but I also have discounts for the Bougerv 200bb and everything at the site!! DISCOUNTS FOR BOUGERV PRODUCTS SITE WIDE..!!! Ends 12/31/22 18% Code: AFF18 shrsl.com/3o04x (15% 200 watt 9BB compact solar panel code: JOHNNY15 shrsl.com/3o050 ) Bouge RV 9BB 100 watt Panel: shrsl.com/3o052
It's 3am and I don't know how I ended up here but I'm glad I did. Thanks for a great review! In future side-by-side comparisons, you might consider adding a label or placard or different colored sticker to the product to state which manufacturer is which. Anyway, not criticism at all just something to help cut confusion. Loved the review. thanks again
Constructive criticism is always welcome but I prefer harsh negativity be left left elsewhere…😂 So thanks for keeping it real and yes not a bad ideas to help people see the name of each east when shooting as sometimes things do move quick so the videos are not 30 mins 😂👍🏼 👍🏼👊🏼
It's classic solar panel problem, with 1000W/m2 , these panels should be close to 200W, not 130W. These days it's rare to find panels that really get even close to the rated power.
I know. Minimum 177 watt. These producser really need too check it with good clear sun days outside in the real world too, this ain't good enough. They are simply losing all the credibility.
With the size difference in panels I would almost consider them equal in output. BougeRV could have a larger array using the same area of space. Someone that just wants a few panels, Renogy would be the better pick. It all depends on the purchaser and what they expect out of their system.
True plus how much degradation will effect each?? Will the bougerv do better later? And yea considering size of the bouge was a little longer I bet it would have produced more. I’ll do a updated test later
I do like the size. One of the best features for sure. Now if they don’t degrade much like all the other panels then in the long run they will be a better buy. Size wise they are great.
Is it any wonder? Just count the cells in the panel! The cell sizes seem to be about the same but the matrix array is not the standard full 4 x 9 meaning that the series voltage will be less. Volts times amperes and the wattage will be less. Another giveaway is the number of square inches of light capture. The efficiency percentage would need to be that much higher to offset any reduction of surface area. It's highly unlikely that this manufacturer had broken this barrier without being global news!
I got a Amazon Lightning deal on a Bouge 100 watt 9BB and tested to a Harbor Freight panel I have. Around 10 watts less than Harbor Freight panels. Same as my Newpowa brand panels. Really expected the 9BB technology would do better.
That’s true you can add more panels on the bougerv but I think if I needed that much wattage and don’t need a compact panel I would move to a larger wattage panel for less install and less cost per watts.
In the Bougerv unit. A smaller compact panel is great. Less space and a pinch lighter but for the price and power out put I was hoping for more or at least the same results. Unfortunately not the case.
@@johnnysweekends Ahhh I see. It that case it seems that Renogy takes the case. Further, I'm curios to know if there are 2 different kinds of 200w rigdeg panels that Renogy makes. I just got a few and they don't match the product dimensions.
@@johnnysweekends Yes and the now I'm stuck with finding the same watt rating, volt rating AND dimensions of my setup or getting out from a 3ed party some how... the ones I have now are 23v and the new ones are 27 volt.
I don't see where one is any better than the other. The output difference is so small it's irrelevant. Bougerv is smaller footprint and seem to work better than renogy on cloudy days.
Well it kinda depends on the user or purchaser and what they are trying to accomplish. One panel side by side will not make much a difference say in a 5.5hr solar day the renogy gets 10% -15% more power. Well now times that by two panels, 4 panels or 10 panels. Your total gain is now a lot different when dealing with a little larger system.
@5:30 This test is flawed. Amps and power are not the same thing and different solar panels have different spec regarding the optimal current/voltage. Spec for Bouge ideal current is 9.7A and spec for Renogy is 8.85A. may vary by environment but the ecoflow already demonstrated the Bouge should be higher. You put the Bouge at a disadvantage by doing 7.5A. If you wanted to measure accumulated in a way that makes sense you would need a MPP solar charge controller then measure the actual power, as in P=I*V. Realistically your ecoflow example already gave you watts, so over time the result should be predicted by this.
Only problem using power stations is there inconsistent battery chemistry and also being balanced and each one charging at the exact same rate and time. Even when the EcoFlow says its 50%, it may not be. It’s could be 48% or 53%. So a constant load test is the closet thing I could find by making each perform under a specific load that both can do. The Bougerv is still a good panel. But I was really wanting to see better numbers. And unfortunately even over all voltage was lower. Testing two solar panels that are same watts but different specs will always have some discrepancies unless you do a longer term test such as a week will all equipment being the same.
I was wondering the same thing; I would expect the Renogy to do better with current set lower. Seems like you should hook both to an identical charge controller and see what watt hours you get at the end of the test. IMO. Thanks for the test.
If the max my solar generator can accept is 100w, would it be better to get a 9bb high efficiency mono 100w panel that might put out 50-80w on average or pay more for the same panel at 200w that might make 130-150w? I need to make sure my volts are 18-26v 4A. But I just want to be as close to that 100w limit for the best charging. It's only 300Wh.
I would try to get as close to the max voltage with out going over. Your best days will be when its cold when the panel will put out peak power. So if you can find a 150 watt or 175 watt at 24 volts, don’t worry about amps, you can go over that because it will waist what it can’t use, but 22-24 volts would be nice. Unless you live where its always pretty warm or hot then 25-26 volts would probably be fine as it will always be a little under once under load. Always check with a volt meter before plugging in a few times to see what the panels are averaging.
True the angle is slightly different, but minimal and both are receiving the same solar irradiance. There is a window of angle that won’t change your out put. It’s only a few degrees but that’s how I tried to set it up. Get it with in that window and the results stay the same.
In the Bougerv panel. It’s has 9bb tech and is smaller in size so takes up less room. So was hoping for same output or better then the renogy so was kind of disappointed. It’s still a great panel and in the long run could do better but it’s a while till you would ever know.
Unfortunately that won’t work great. If you have 4 solar panels…. 3 of them are 20 volts and the last is 17 volts. No matter what order they are connected it will drop the whole string to 17volts reducing the whole output of the string. In a short sense of things. Basically you could have 80 volts combined in series but you only have 68 volts instead.
Great video! What solar panels do you recommend for about ~700 Watts? Is Renogy good? If you do recommend them, what kind of charge controller is good? I am trying to power a 5,000 BTU window AC during the day. It uses about 500 Watts. Can the charge controller be from any brand? Or does it need to be the $122 40A one from Renogy? Thanks! (:
If you can find larger used residential panels that’s always a nice way to save money. Just test them first. The kind you get may also be where you are putting them. You would need solar panels to a charge controller to a battery bank then a inverter to switch the Dc power ac. And 700 watts could do it but how long the ac runs sun goes down will be determined on how big your battery bank or power station is.
@@johnnysweekends What kind of cables will I need? Or do the cables come with the panels? I am talking from the solar panel to the charge controller, and the charge controller to the battery, and the battery to the inverter. If they don't come with them, what would they be called?
From solar panel… mc4 to Controller in what ever length Controller to battery…8 or 10 gauge braided copper wire. From battery to inverter , most inverters will include the cables but all depends. The instructions will tell you size. It’s large like #2 or larger. All depends
@@johnnysweekends If I have 6 solar panels, do I need 6 MC4 cables (around 30 feet?) Or do the solar panels connect together, and I only need 1 long MC4 cable?
With the Bougerv being a lower volt higher amp panel in comparison to the Renogy higher volt lower amp 200 watt panel, what’s the difference in watts produced when you raise the amp load on the Bougerv?
Over all each panel can only provide so much power. And what ever wattage it produces is what ya get. I was hoping for a little more out of the bougerv due to size. But volts and numbers don’t lie. Maybe after break in the bougerv will do better in the Long run but who knows.
This company really chose a great name. Bouge basically means snooty arsehole, someone who is bougey is one who sets themselves apart from others by overtly displaying opulence. Smart name choice.
I have three of the older Renorgy 100 W panels I believe they have five bus bars and I just recently ordered a brand new Renorgy 100 W nine busbar panel is it advisable to use them all together or would I be better off to only use the three older panels together with them selves on a separate charge controller? I imagine I’m going to try and get more nine bus bar panels from Renorgy but I’ve been trying to find them as slightly used returns on Amazon in the $73-$74 price range. Also I have a question about these new lithium ion batteries I have no experience with them I would have to buy a charge controller that could except them,,,, at this point I don’t have one that will handle lithium-ion however my old battery bank is no more and it needs replaced I can buy four 186 amp hour 6 volt golf cart batteries for probably right around $550 with tax included I’m thinking I would have 186 amp hours available( I would be wiring them up for 12 V)that I could actually use unless I’m figuring this wrong? I’m very curious if this is the case for about $100 more I could probably get a 200 amp hour lithium ion battery and I think I can use all 200 amp hours of that is that correct?
You can mix and match panels just know that you want to try and keep voltages close together. If one panel has a voc of 22 volts and the other panel is 20 volts they will all drop down to the lower volt panel. This is for all of them.
It's not the 200 W of the solar panel that matters, it's how many batteries do you have? And how big is your inverter?. It's like filling a swimming pool with a garden hose. You are taking your water from the pool not the hose
What do you think?? The renogy is now $269 only $10 difference but I also have discounts for the Bougerv 200bb and everything at the site!!
DISCOUNTS FOR BOUGERV PRODUCTS SITE WIDE..!!! Ends 12/31/22
18% Code: AFF18 shrsl.com/3o04x
(15% 200 watt 9BB compact solar panel code: JOHNNY15 shrsl.com/3o050 )
Bouge RV 9BB 100 watt Panel: shrsl.com/3o052
you can pin this comment so that the viewers can see them at the top. :)
It's 3am and I don't know how I ended up here but I'm glad I did. Thanks for a great review! In future side-by-side comparisons, you might consider adding a label or placard or different colored sticker to the product to state which manufacturer is which. Anyway, not criticism at all just something to help cut confusion. Loved the review. thanks again
Constructive criticism is always welcome but I prefer harsh negativity be left left elsewhere…😂
So thanks for keeping it real and yes not a bad ideas to help people see the name of each east when shooting as sometimes things do move quick so the videos are not 30 mins 😂👍🏼
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agree
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It's classic solar panel problem, with 1000W/m2 , these panels should be close to 200W, not 130W. These days it's rare to find panels that really get even close to the rated power.
I know. Minimum 177 watt.
These producser really need too check it with good clear sun days outside in the real world too, this ain't good enough.
They are simply losing all the credibility.
Maybe that highly reflective glossy coating hurt the BougeRV.
The Renogy cables at 2.5mm = 14 awg and the Bouge at 4.0mm is 12 awg.
Good job..😀👍🏼👊🏼
With the size difference in panels I would almost consider them equal in output. BougeRV could have a larger array using the same area of space. Someone that just wants a few panels, Renogy would be the better pick. It all depends on the purchaser and what they expect out of their system.
True plus how much degradation will effect each?? Will the bougerv do better later?
And yea considering size of the bouge was a little longer I bet it would have produced more. I’ll do a updated test later
Thanks for sharing this with us. I'd say Renogy is still the blueprint keep up the great content
Thank you. I’m wondering in 6 months to a year of things will change🤷♂️
Excellent test, thankyou
The bougerv is toast just fyi…
Both companies have pretty good tech support from my limited contact
I was waiting for this review from both panels. Thanks
You’re welcome, I think several others are as well. Hope this helped 👊🏼👍🏼
I like the BougeRV panels and have six. They are the perfect size as any larger becomes unwieldy.
I do like the size. One of the best features for sure. Now if they don’t degrade much like all the other panels then in the long run they will be a better buy. Size wise they are great.
Thank you for this interesting information. I love your detailed analysis of generators, solar panels, etc.
Thank you appreciate the feed back. Just trying to give enough info to help people When buying something. 👍🏼😀
Is it any wonder? Just count the cells in the panel! The cell sizes seem to be about the same but the matrix array is not the standard full 4 x 9 meaning that the series voltage will be less. Volts times amperes and the wattage will be less. Another giveaway is the number of square inches of light capture. The efficiency percentage would need to be that much higher to offset any reduction of surface area. It's highly unlikely that this manufacturer had broken this barrier without being global news!
I got a Amazon Lightning deal on a Bouge 100 watt 9BB and tested to a Harbor Freight panel I have. Around 10 watts less than Harbor Freight panels. Same as my Newpowa brand panels. Really expected the 9BB technology would do better.
I assumed as well. Maybe they don’t degrade as quick? So will test again later
@@johnnysweekendsfor solar generator applications assume most users like myself don't leave the panels out 24/7.
Yea I’m leaving mine out for testing so the cells can break in so I’ll use here and there to charge items
Any thoughts why the Renogy panel did better? And any changes after 3 weeks? Thanks great work! 🙂
HF panels are underrated for sure
Very Informative, thank you Very much!🙋♂️
You’re welcome and thanks for watching👍🏼😀
the bougerv panel is better for over panelling your system so thats a plus in my book
That’s true you can add more panels on the bougerv but I think if I needed that much wattage and don’t need a compact panel I would move to a larger wattage panel for less install and less cost per watts.
How are you disappointed you didn't give any final comments? I'm curious to hear what you think about the two of them.
In the Bougerv unit. A smaller compact panel is great. Less space and a pinch lighter but for the price and power out put I was hoping for more or at least the same results.
Unfortunately not the case.
@@johnnysweekends Ahhh I see. It that case it seems that Renogy takes the case.
Further, I'm curios to know if there are 2 different kinds of 200w rigdeg panels that Renogy makes. I just got a few and they don't match the product dimensions.
Interesting they may have updated to a new style.
@@johnnysweekends Yes and the now I'm stuck with finding the same watt rating, volt rating AND dimensions of my setup or getting out from a 3ed party some how... the ones I have now are 23v and the new ones are 27 volt.
Yea that would be annoying. I didn’t know they changed.
Thanks for the video and effort.
Your welcome 👍🏼😀
I don't see where one is any better than the other. The output difference is so small it's irrelevant. Bougerv is smaller footprint and seem to work better than renogy on cloudy days.
Well it kinda depends on the user or purchaser and what they are trying to accomplish.
One panel side by side will not make much a difference say in a 5.5hr solar day the renogy gets 10% -15% more power.
Well now times that by two panels, 4 panels or 10 panels. Your total gain is now a lot different when dealing with a little larger system.
@5:30 This test is flawed. Amps and power are not the same thing and different solar panels have different spec regarding the optimal current/voltage. Spec for Bouge ideal current is 9.7A and spec for Renogy is 8.85A. may vary by environment but the ecoflow already demonstrated the Bouge should be higher. You put the Bouge at a disadvantage by doing 7.5A. If you wanted to measure accumulated in a way that makes sense you would need a MPP solar charge controller then measure the actual power, as in P=I*V. Realistically your ecoflow example already gave you watts, so over time the result should be predicted by this.
Only problem using power stations is there inconsistent battery chemistry and also being balanced and each one charging at the exact same rate and time. Even when the EcoFlow says its 50%, it may not be. It’s could be 48% or 53%. So a constant load test is the closet thing I could find by making each perform under a specific load that both can do.
The Bougerv is still a good panel. But I was really wanting to see better numbers. And unfortunately even over all voltage was lower. Testing two solar panels that are same watts but different specs will always have some discrepancies unless you do a longer term test such as a week will all equipment being the same.
I was wondering the same thing; I would expect the Renogy to do better with current set lower. Seems like you should hook both to an identical charge controller and see what watt hours you get at the end of the test. IMO. Thanks for the test.
My BougeRV folding panel works good until it gets 40-50F over ambient, the heat is killing the output.
Heat will kill the output of any of them. Some more then others.
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@@johnnysweekends yes, it does, but when this runs 20-30F higher than my HF panel at the same ambient temps, something is up with their 9bb tech.
Yea I wonder why it’s not producing more power then it should. I expected a little more
Great info. Renogy better.
Thank you 😀👍🏼
Can you film 8:10 both at the same time? You can video overlay in post too.
You should retest using Renogy’s new gen 3 panel….it’s also a 9 bus bar design…..
Will have to look into that…👍🏼
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That would be great! Thanks
If the max my solar generator can accept is 100w, would it be better to get a 9bb high efficiency mono 100w panel that might put out 50-80w on average or pay more for the same panel at 200w that might make 130-150w? I need to make sure my volts are 18-26v 4A. But I just want to be as close to that 100w limit for the best charging. It's only 300Wh.
I would try to get as close to the max voltage with out going over. Your best days will be when its cold when the panel will put out peak power. So if you can find a 150 watt or 175 watt at 24 volts, don’t worry about amps, you can go over that because it will waist what it can’t use, but 22-24 volts would be nice. Unless you live where its always pretty warm or hot then 25-26 volts would probably be fine as it will always be a little under once under load. Always check with a volt meter before plugging in a few times to see what the panels are averaging.
You've got those 2 panels at different angles to the sun, a couple degrees different ...and you're results are only a few % different .
True the angle is slightly different, but minimal and both are receiving the same solar irradiance. There is a window of angle that won’t change your out put. It’s only a few degrees but that’s how I tried to set it up.
Get it with in that window and the results stay the same.
I don't get it... dispointed at what?
In the Bougerv panel. It’s has 9bb tech and is smaller in size so takes up less room. So was hoping for same output or better then the renogy so was kind of disappointed. It’s still a great panel and in the long run could do better but it’s a while till you would ever know.
Thanks for the great review. So how do you get closer to 200W from solar? One 200W panel and one 100W panel in parallel?
Unfortunately that won’t work great.
If you have 4 solar panels….
3 of them are 20 volts and the last is 17 volts. No matter what order they are connected it will drop the whole string to 17volts reducing the whole output of the string. In a short sense of things.
Basically you could have 80 volts combined in series but you only have 68 volts instead.
Great video! What solar panels do you recommend for about ~700 Watts? Is Renogy good?
If you do recommend them, what kind of charge controller is good? I am trying to power a 5,000 BTU window AC during the day. It uses about 500 Watts. Can the charge controller be from any brand? Or does it need to be the $122 40A one from Renogy? Thanks! (:
If you can find larger used residential panels that’s always a nice way to save money. Just test them first.
The kind you get may also be where you are putting them.
You would need solar panels to a charge controller to a battery bank then a inverter to switch the Dc power ac.
And 700 watts could do it but how long the ac runs sun goes down will be determined on how big your battery bank or power station is.
@@johnnysweekends What kind of cables will I need? Or do the cables come with the panels? I am talking from the solar panel to the charge controller, and the charge controller to the battery, and the battery to the inverter. If they don't come with them, what would they be called?
From solar panel… mc4 to Controller in what ever length
Controller to battery…8 or 10 gauge braided copper wire.
From battery to inverter , most inverters will include the cables but all depends. The instructions will tell you size. It’s large like #2 or larger. All depends
@@johnnysweekends Awesome! Thank you for the help John!
@@johnnysweekends If I have 6 solar panels, do I need 6 MC4 cables (around 30 feet?) Or do the solar panels connect together, and I only need 1 long MC4 cable?
With the Bougerv being a lower volt higher amp panel in comparison to the Renogy higher volt lower amp 200 watt panel, what’s the difference in watts produced when you raise the amp load on the Bougerv?
Over all each panel can only provide so much power. And what ever wattage it produces is what ya get. I was hoping for a little more out of the bougerv due to size. But volts and numbers don’t lie.
Maybe after break in the bougerv will do better in the Long run but who knows.
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The shorter one had more tilt.
Both had virtually the same light irradiance.
But I make both panels next time are identical
Was the higher watts on the renogy due to the higher voltage? Thank you
Normally a higher voltage output will result in a higher watt output. But I was expecting a little more out of the Bougerv panel
Renogy is better, not BougeRV raise their price it not worth it anymore
Lately everyone has raised prices but they are trickling down. As of today the renogy went up in price. So the bouge is cheaper with discount
@@johnnysweekends I just bought 8 Bougerv 200 w 9BB cs20 gave me 20% discount which is the largest discount
Wow that’s a good buy at 20% off..!! Nice
Worth it there.
I’ll see what the test look like in 6 months after a little degradation
This company really chose a great name. Bouge basically means snooty arsehole, someone who is bougey is one who sets themselves apart from others by overtly displaying opulence.
Smart name choice.
Lol 😂
Get help.
I have three of the older Renorgy 100 W panels I believe they have five bus bars and I just recently ordered a brand new Renorgy 100 W nine busbar panel is it advisable to use them all together or would I be better off to only use the three older panels together with them selves on a separate charge controller? I imagine I’m going to try and get more nine bus bar panels from Renorgy but I’ve been trying to find them as slightly used returns on Amazon in the $73-$74 price range. Also I have a question about these new lithium ion batteries I have no experience with them I would have to buy a charge controller that could except them,,,, at this point I don’t have one that will handle lithium-ion however my old battery bank is no more and it needs replaced I can buy four 186 amp hour 6 volt golf cart batteries for probably right around $550 with tax included I’m thinking I would have 186 amp hours available( I would be wiring them up for 12 V)that I could actually use unless I’m figuring this wrong? I’m very curious if this is the case for about $100 more I could probably get a 200 amp hour lithium ion battery and I think I can use all 200 amp hours of that is that correct?
You can mix and match panels just know that you want to try and keep voltages close together.
If one panel has a voc of 22 volts and the other panel is 20 volts they will all drop down to the lower volt panel. This is for all of them.
What's the model of the load testers and cost?
The little digital meters or the load tester with the fans?
@@johnnysweekends load tester with fans
They are about $80 each
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What can I expect to run on the 200 W set up ?
It's not the 200 W of the solar panel that matters, it's how many batteries do you have? And how big is your inverter?. It's like filling a swimming pool with a garden hose. You are taking your water from the pool not the hose
How do i wire 11 solar panels, I have 190w panels and I have 80a charge controller
For 11 panels you would need dual inputs or use ten panels. Then you can’t go over the voltage of the charge controller
14awg vs 11awg
12..?
@@johnnysweekends "this one goes to 11" -Spinaltap