Catastrophic Fire on the Runway (British Airtours Flight 28M) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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A Boeing 737 erupted in flames on the runway at Manchester Airport. Tis Disaster would go on to be one of the deadliest aviation incidents to occur in the United Kingdom. What happened on British Airtours Flight 28M?
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hey, it would be great to see a video about TWA 800. that crash still makes me uncomfortable to this day
This disaster still haunts Machester Airport to the modern day. It was the catastrophe which spurred Manchester Ringway to developing one of the best on site fire fighting teams in the world. Because us Mancunians dont want to see our fellow brethern die innsuch a horrinle way
On the Mayday episode of this accident, the investigators, with the help of a human factors psychologist, actually did an experiment where an airplane cabin was configured and filled with volunteers to duplicate Flight 28’s passengers. Then to make them act like the plane was on fire, they offered money to the first ones out. As I saw the footage of the experiment, I saw people going over seats, getting stuck in the bulkhead opening and doors, and just plain chaos. And when the actual survivors saw the videos, they said, “yeah, that’s how it was”.
Now add idiots that insist on grabbing their carry on luggage because it has their freaking iPad, and it get's worse.
Could I have a link to the footage please?
@@tdestroyer1882 I saw it only on Air Crash Investigation.
Yeah , - pretty much borne out by the graphic showing which passengers survived or died. I bet those green dots towards the rear of the plane didn't display much gentlemanly conduct and this quite possibly caused a number of red dots. Calm, orderly behaviour is by far the fastest way to evacuate. Mind you, who knows how anyone is going to behave in situation like that?
@@philhughes3882
Bear in mind that the wing door wasn't opened immediately. By the time those green dots at the back had any chance of escape it's quite likely that the red dots were already unconscious and overcome with smoke.
RIP Elaine Dumbell, only 19 going on her 1st holiday on her own, and all those who died in this incident.
Geez what an unfortunate surname
The two flight attendants that stayed behind to help as many people as possible at the risk of their own lives were heroes and I'm glad they were recognised as such.
All four stayed behind. Only two of them died.
A friend of my dads was one of the fatalities on this actual flight. Sad irony is he only decided to get this flight instead of a later one.
I'm so sorry for the loss of your Dad's friend. I hope his family, all of the other families, and the survivors have been able to find some peace and healing. I know that nobody ever gets over something like this. 🙏🏻
@henry t 😴😴😴
@henry t well if there's plenty more. Go and find a different one yourself. 😭😭
@@nicholashunt9522 please ignore the troll comments. (I don't care what trolls say, and neither should anyone else.) You are welcome to share here. Again, I wish peace to the family of your Dad's friend and all those who lost their lives, as well as to the survivors. 🙏🏻
The videos are great, really high quality. Just binged the whole channel in a day.
Glad you like them!
Me too 😄
Same
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I also did this but over the last few days!
I like when the ages are put after the names of the crew.
Right? It's a chilling reminder of human mortality... kinda interesting in a morbid sorta way...
That and their flight hours...gives you a better idea of the crew.
I don’t. Cuz it makes me feel old.
I’ve literally found your channel last night and I’ve binge watched every video you have. Now a new video comes out. Big bet. I love the channel
I'm thrilled you like the content!
Same here
Wow, props to the front flight crew. Determined to do their duty to the point they had to have fire-fighters telling them to leave. Can't even imagine what must have been going through their heads, as well as the heads of the two at the back who I'm sure were frantically trying to find something to help them escape
The cabin breakdown was incredibly interesting and useful. Very very thorough infographic, I absolutely loved it. I watch a lot of disaster breakdown channels and videos and have never seen anyone do that. I feel like it gave me a much better understanding of what happened. Just wanted to let you know that was absolutely phenomenal and very helpful.
I was 5 when this happened. I heard the news report on it and still remember it because we were driving at the time. It's funny how vivid that memory is compared to anything else that happened when I was 5...
I've read on the majority of these plane crashes before, but the level of extra detail and layers of explanations on the how and why add a whole new dimension to each one. Well done.
The only other incident to happen to a 737-200 that left it in a state similar to BeaTours 28M was that of Pacific Western Flight 501...
In that case, the 737-200, registered C-GQPW, suffered an uncontained engine failure [one of the compressor discs in the starboard engine of C-GQPW had failed, sending debris into the fuel tanks.] on takeoff.
In that case however all 119 passengers and crew managed to get out. But the plane itself was suffered the same post-fire damage as Juliet Lima, the 737 that did the BeaTours 28M run...
These breakdowns are often really saddening when you hear of the death tolls, but each breakdown is so well explained I keep watching!
R.I.P. Brenda, Brian and Stephen Hallmark. I attended primary school with Stephen. Sadly mum, dad and son all lost their lives in this disaster ❤️
I remember it clearly. In my opinion, this was one of the most tragic accidents, that absolutely should not have ended the way it did. Ironically, several years later the 737-200 was the second aircraft type I was lucky enough to work on as crew. I absolutely loved this baby Boeing, and fortunately the lessons had been learned by the time I started as crew. RIP to the passengers and crew who lost their lives.
It was so tragic because it was an easily survivable incident. Yet 55 people still perished. Im from Manchester and this still haunts the city. Theres a memorial at Manchester Ringway Airport.
Amazingly accurate simulation of Manchester Airport in 1985, which only had one tall structure other than the control tower back then.
Yes its amazing how things change, MAN now has 2 runways, t2 with its 1 billion transformation and t3 which nearly goes to the airport pub area. I was only little at the time but can remember the aircraft, airlines etc
@@easydrive3662 The favourite place to congregate would be on Sundays at the junction of Shadow Moss Rd and Ringway Rd. Back then there was no noise reduction, so on the days aircraft took off from 23R (which I think was shortened to take them a little bit further away from the perimeter fence, and vibrate fewer children's faces off) Then they changed it all, and we had to go to the Airport Pub as you say, which was just a fence then too. It is a gorgeous, purpose made viewing area now.
@@stevenmacdonald9619 yes i tend to view the aircraft from the airport pub when there landing 23r, the only down side is that most the time now they takeoff 23L so the aircraft dont taxi down to the start of 23r to take off, only later in the eve this occures and during quiet times of the year.
As a Motorsport and aviation fan I was wondering if you could make a video on the Alan Kulwicki plane crash in 1993? which happened a couple months after he won the NASCAR cup championship
I will look into it, thanks.
I gotta say:
The level of detail you go into for every video is astounding. I love how you can recreate the exact plane's scenario to help illustrate. I love your channel and I hope you keep growing
man, this ones a really sad accident. I mean they all are, but this one hit harder than usual. probably because they had such better chances to escape than most accidents but so many still died :(
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This documentary meanwhile, looked at the 737 involved...
Okay, I saw the thumbnail and literally said, “woo hoo!” Yes, I’m a nerd. I have to say, I love how you tie the events that take place in each video to how the accident changed aviation for the better in the end. Successful investigations always lead to improvements in safety.
True Kristita but they still manage to wreck 'em.
@@billcallahan9303 Every now and then! The safety of air travel has definitely improved since the 70s and 80s, though. At least in the United States.
Traveling with planes is safer than driving a car
@@onomis Especially the way people drive where I live! 😂
@@onomis if there were as many planes around as there are cars, planes would probably be a death scentence. Not really comparable. Not to mention the much higher death count in a plane crash.
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Another great video, thanks. Somehow it seems even more tragic that the lost were so close to survival. I hope the crew who struggled with the door found some peace as well. Survivors guilt must have been overwhelming for them, even though the door being stuck was not in their control. On a side note, background music volume was much better in this one I think. Supportive but never distracting.
August 1985 surely wasn't a good time for aviation given there was also Delta 191 and (a couple of weeks prior to British Airtours 28M) JAL 123. Heck 1985 wasn't a good year for aviation in general since there was also Air India 182 and Arrow Air 1285.
Wow, this is greatly terrifying to me. I travel this exact route 3-4 times a year and I didn't even know this had occurred in the past. Great video as always!
I do enjoy your videos. Especially how you incorporate actual images of the crash and investigations. I go to work at two in the morning to bake all the bake goods and make soups from scratch and I turn on your videos and listen as I work considering I’m the only one in that early and for a while I blare it through the sound system so I can hear it throughout the restaurant
It feels to me like controlling and containing catastrophic failures within the engine is the next great step in flight safety. So many incidents begin with engines exploding or otherwise falling apart! Also, it's past time for video monitors of the plane's exterior to be available on the flight deck so the flight crew can see what the hell is going on in an emergency.
You'd think so, on the last flight I was on with emirates we could view exterior cams with the in flight entertainment so surely pilots have access
All modern engines, cowlings (the cover that surrounds the engines) & pylons (where the engine attaches to the wing) are designed to contain & control engine failures - there have been huge improvements to aircraft since this particular accident back in the 80's. The reason so many incidents start with engine issues is because they are the hardest working part in the whole aircraft - they are the reason you're up in the sky after all! You'd be amazed at how well engineered they are - titanium fan blades, wrapped in Kevlar, built-in fire detectors & extinguishers. They withstand freezing air, burn hot enough to melt most metals, and those fans spin at insane rates from the moment you board the plane non-stop until you disembark - so they are about as safe to operate as you can get! Most engine failures these days are down to maintenance.
And there are several reasons that aircraft don't use external video monitoring, but it's basically not worth the trade off - aircraft are already filled with sensors that give pilots warnings about very specific failures, and most problems start out of sight (like an electrical wire burning out or a fire inside the engine). A video camera is only useful if you can see the problem on the outside of the plane - and by the time you can see the problem outside there's usually been a heap of alarms from internal sensors go off to notify the pilots. Plus external cameras & extra wiring add weight, add risk from adding holes in the fuselage, etc etc. - so basically the pilots wouldn't get any extra useful info from having external video monitoring to make it worthwhile.
It’s not as big a deal theses days. Fire indication equipment is very reliable now and containment is excellent.
I really like how well made and professional these videos are and your voice is also perfectly calm and clear. Even though most of the videos are very tragic I still enjoy watching them and learning about these accidents.
I've recently subscribed to your channel I like the attention to detail you have with every video especially in the airport/plane simulations. Keep up the good work.
Stumbled upon this channel and damn if I just binged all the videos. Well made and thank you for making it easy to understand the music also is on point. New sub and I cant wait for more of these.
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The Tristar’s were deployed on the high density routes for the UK charters, not long haul, until it became Caledonian Airways later with flights to Orlando and LA. With 757 serving Mombassa. Air Europe 757s were also operational to Acapulco and Phuket with tech stops along the way during the late 80s until 1991. Air 2000 even flew to Venezuela (Margarita Island) for a while, once a week as well as other exotic fashionable destinations at that time.
I'm really happy i found this channel, your videos are so well made and interesting. I've binged them all this weekend XD I'd love to see you do a video on the crash of Uruguayan Flight 571 (the crash in the andes). Thanks alot!
i once saw an episode of this caled rnw inferno. i tink the pilots should not have used reverse trust bc that caused the inferno going into the cabin. love your content keep it up.
Most likely true, but remember, the cabin crew thought they had a tire blowout, so reverse thrust was used rather than hitting the brakes hard.
The reverse thrust made no difference. It was a combination of the wind and the speed at which the gases were exiting the hole in the engine. My father was part of the investigation team for this.
Love your vids, like others have said I recently came across your channel, subscribed, and binged all your vids in the past 2 days!
One possible error I noticed in this vid at 13:23 you mention that after this disaster a new protocol in case of a fire like this is to park the plane downwind of the fire, but did you mean the fire should be downwind of the plane? Having the plane downwind of the fire means the wind would blow the fire into the plane... you want to be upwind of a fire.
These are just such well produced, well put together videos.
This video was great! Looks like my day off will be binging your channel!
These vids are absolute quality mate, awesome content
I love your content as a learning pilot and possible future ATC. Please keep it up it'll get huge soon!
Major mistake, valuable seconds lost in by manouvering off the runway. ATC should have told them to evacuate in stopping on main runway.
The aircraft was in an emergency situation to it took priority over all other flights.
it’s not ATCs job to tell the crew what to do, they aren’t there.
The time lost was minimal. The crew were completely unaware that they had a major issue. They said the thought it was a tire blowing at first so it’s hard to criticise them.
Amazing vid man your outdoing yourself with the quality of these vids
Great video, as usual.
The lessons learned in this disaster in the area of cabin layout and seating density were short-lived. Aircraft in service today have even more dense seating than the accident plane.
An example can be found d when looking at the seating layout of the Airtoues 737. On the accident plane, the last two rows on the aircraft LH side have 2 seats across, leaving a wider aisle leading to the aft exits. Today’s 737s have 3 seats across in the last rows leading to the aft exits.
Witness how today we have rows of sesfs directly IN FRONT of aircraft doors. Witness one of JetBlue’s 321 configurations where the literature pocket for the adjacent row is ON THE DOOR. Alaska’s 321NEOs are the same way.
It is only a matter of time until we have a repeat of the Airtours tragedy,
I love your videos! Keep them up!
First time I have watched this it still hurts to think about it I lost 2 very close friends on this flight think about them often
damn dude, you've been blowing up. Onya mate, onya. Good to see a channel i enjoy doing well off
Some of the most entertaining content on the platform, hats off to you sir, maybe PSA 182 next?:)
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Great work. Love your cannel.
i understand nothing about aviation but something about these videos is just addictive
Always love the new videos
Another excellent video, thank you 🙏
I agree, Disaster Breakdown is a really good channel. It has a unique way of prenting the info. It's good.
What sim program do you use? It adds an impressive element to the video but I sure can't make recreations like that in MSFS
It would have been so nice if you had the opportunity to make a video about the accident in Gottröra, Sweden in 1991 on SAS flight 751. Regardless, thanks for all the good videos! Very well done =)
interesting as ever, I'm from near Manchester and I've flown from there so many times but I'd never heard about this
Dropped everything to sit down to this vid, love it h
Tho the pilot possibly didnt fully know wich way the wind blown,however the quick thinking of them (pulling onto the taxiway) saved 85 wich couldve been grouped with the 55 other passengers
to be fair, he should have known, or at least guessed. ATC usually tells you the wind (or ATIS). Also you usually start towards headwind for faster takeoff. So turning right when your left engine is on fire was the wrong idea.
ATC does inform you of wind, he did make a genuine mistake. Understandable in these extreme circumstances. But it was a pilot error.
@@mancunianace8428 no. The wind was given as “light and variable” se he didn’t have a direction to work on.
These videos are so well made, I applaud you my friend.
I was 14 and remember the smoke cloud coming from Ringway airport as it was locally known X 😳
Awesome, awesome videos. I wish that there were 1000 more.
Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏼
Good informative channel
Do you make the animations for the videos?
Great background music!
Sad tale but well told. Cheers.
Theres something that doesnt add up 100% in my mind in your explanation of the failed combuster can. Let me propose a scenario that makes more sense, at least to me: The pressure outside the combustor can is greater then inside the can, otherwise compressed air supplied by the compressor stages would not be able to enter it in the first place. Could it be that due to the cans failure, it was squished by the surrounding pressure, braking the fuel line supplying it, leading to fuel entering the space around and below the squished can, then cumbusting outside of the can, wich led to the overpressure that made that part of the engine explode? Whats left of the combustor can also looks rather squished in that picture. Maybe this is what you were getting at anyway, but it sounded more like you were saying the can itself exploded. Anyways, great video!
RIP to all who perished. And condolences to their loved ones. And to the survivors who suffered trauma
I remember this so well
I love near the airport
My dad woke me up and told me
We could hear the sirens from the fire station and all the emergency responders
I flew out to Spain a few days later
On the run way we actually passed the wreckage of the plane
It had been moved off the runway to the side of it , so the air traffic could re open 😥😥
Tragic
i once flew in the emergency exit row and i have no clue how to open one, literarly nothing was told to me. It was a MAX 8, how do you open the door on the thing, il be flying it again this summer (maybe a MAX 10).
There should be pictorial instructions on it and it’s normally covered in the safety brief.
An accident like this should have never happened!
Really interesting video, and glad to see it led to a number of improvements. BUT, the root cause of the accident was as described, the failure of a REPAIRED, combustion can. Instead of the AAIB, pondering the quality of the repair, surely they should have been more critical of British Airtours, in repairing rather than replacing a safety critical part of the Aircraft. Again as usual it comes down to money... Keep the videos coming, they are very well researched, and produced.
Repairing aircraft components is normal practice. Repair of the combusted van was approved.
It's worth mention somewhere that audits in the 80's and 90's revealed a lot of recycled and sub-standard parts on the shelves for aircraft mechanics. There were litigations and new standards set and met, weeding out the "Third party sources" that couldn't bring their repair and recycling part qualities up to snuff...
I'm not prepared to say this was among the crashes and incidents that led to such audits and actions by aviation authorities... ONLY that the audits DID happen and this wasn't the only time a dubious quality of repair was brought into question over damages and losses of life that shouldn't have been nearly as bad as they were under the scenarios and other preparations to aircraft safety. ;o)
good christ, if I gotta go in a plane crash, I hope it's a good and big *crash* and not a, y'know, fiery one. lmao. terrifying.
It wasn’t the flames that killed so many people. It was the smoke. Many of the survivors described feeling like their lungs had solidified when they breathed it in. If you were on that plane, you would’ve been breathing in smoke that contained carbon monoxide and hydrogen cyanide.
@@Powerranger-le4up oh, I'm well aware, that's what I find so terrifying lol. between the internal and the external stuff, I find being trapped in the ground in a VERY quickly burning aluminum tube a far more terrifying way to go than weeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE *SMACK* what's gonna get me first? horrifying lung scalding that turns my blood acidic? or horrifying external burns that go to the bone? no thanks, just yeet me directly into the ground at mach 3 or 8 or 93 or whatever. splat!
However, that did happen on ValuJet Flight 592 and Nigeria Airlines Flight 2120
One of my teachers from college told me about this airline disaster. It was before my time. However I saw the reconstruction on TV.
I usually wouldn't comment but the way the pilot placed the plane up wind so the flames tore through the plane so fast is truly the difference between a pilot and a monkey.
I dont by the wind shift AT ALL!
Man, I hope that once they're done with the full report you do a video on Volga-Dnepr Airlines Flight 4066. Great disaster averted considering the damage the An-124 suffered.
British airtours did not have much luck both in 1984 and 1985 as in 1984 one of their L1011 tristars overran the runway at leeds/bradford airport located just 50miles from manchester airport!
oh man, you got tell us about the jammed right side door?!?!?!?!?! That's where I'd bet my lawsuit $$$
We’re not Americans.
Amazing
Didn't this disaster also being about floor lighting arrows pointing towards fire exists?
Yes, it did
The high frame rate animations are appreciated! :)
Apart from the obvious tragedy, what sickened me was a TV interview with one of the survivors, who proudly announced that he ignored the evacuation instructions and trampled over others, thereby probably ensuring their deaths.
The very sad unfortunate fact about Commercial Aviation is that vital safety improvements only come AFTER a huge loss in human lives and not BEFORE such tragedies happen.
Pretty much all safety regulations are written in blood
I think the use of the reverse thrust is a significant factor in the speed at which the fire consumed the fuselage. Those buckets must have worked like a blast furnace towards the fragile aluminium body.
Not really. The pressure form the combustion chamber would have been greater and the reverser buckets didn’t deflect flow onto the fuselage. They were designed not to.
Will you ever be doing a video about British Airways Flight 2276, a similar incident at Las Vegas airport on Tuesday 8th September 2015. Fortunately, there were no fatalities.
how u get that livery
Im sad yall dont have more subs
This was the flight taking a lot of factory girls on holiday to Corfu. Poor things - God rest them.
seems like there's a recurring problem to open the doors when an emergency evacuation is performed ......
Yes, but the aircraft is certified to evac in the required time with half the exits u/s.
Today marks 38 years since the disaster
Its just occurred to me how much worse this accident could've been. If the engine failed in the air I can't see them having much of a chance
Wouldn't you want to "position aircraft" UPWIND "of the fire"?! Otherwise the fire blows on the unburned aircraft, no?!
Yes, but the wind given by the tower on the day was “light and variable” so they didn’t have a direction at the time to use.
my mom died that same week from natural causes this was a horrible week.
SADLY, the reverse thrusts... are open!
How to empty a jet quickly: Oh, you failed to specify tail mounted engines? Drop the damned ramp!
What ramp?
Why are you showing different planes and monitsing this video?
A prime example of people being killed due to a fire starting, not because of the flames but smoke inhalation. A sad case that was totally avoidable and unnecessary. Unfortunately checks on the flammability and the toxicity of the plane seats and other cabin furniture weren’t strictly carried out.
Well they weren’t actually required.
@@peteconrad2077 even worse then. If they had been required then the regulations on flammable materials on aircraft seating would have been a lot stricter and this disaster might have been a lot less fatal.
@@mrkipling2201 yes, but they weren’t. This was a long time ago now.
@@peteconrad2077 I know, 1985. Unfortunately health and safety wasn’t as strenuously pursued back then as it is now.
Poor sods
I love your videos but you're scaring me to go on a plane bro
Do Linate disaster
Theres black smoke billowing out of the plane didnt ATC see the cmoke if a engine had been faulty the day before the plane s houldnt have been flying