Just started SV and was genuinely surprised how much I enjoyed it. I stumbled on to this video and found it extremely helpful and simple to understand. Easy subscribe. Looking forward to your AoE video and all your other SV content.
Thanks! It is a bit dated now with the new patch so I'd suggest checking out the wowhead written guide since the new tier set does shake things up a bit - spearheads not as great as it once was with the loss of our season 1 tier set
As someone who used to play hunter hardcore and is coming back to Surv for certain fights in mythic progression, this is EXACTLY what I was needing. Easy to understand breakdown while still going through the nuances that let us start to min-max. May all your BIS items drop.
Thanks! Though it is slightly outdated now. With 10.1 and the new tier set things have changed a bit. It's still an okay basis to go from but I'd suggest checking out wowhead for a more up to date guide
Hey man, please never stop making videos! I've wanted to play Suvival at end game since it turned melee but the mongoose mechanic always had me a little nervous. But since I watched this guide and your full one a few months ago you've given the confidence to finally give it a ago. So thank you, and please dont leave me now!
Never stop making videos is a tall order but I'll keep making them as long as people find them useful and worthwhile. I'm just a bit slow with uploading, it's hard to find the time to make all these guides I do want to make. But, I will upload videos just very slowly
I am glad Marcellian mentioned you and your channel. This made understanding Survival so easy. Thank you for your video. BM just gets boring to play after awhile and MM just seems to require so many different builds depending on the fight. Not to mention it seems as if you have to stand still as MM to do good damage. Most fights require movement now. Thanks again for the video!
You're very welcome! And that's really cool to hear that my video got mentioned, that's very unexpected. And yeah I feel you with BM and MM, especially with having to stand still with MM.
thanks and glad it was helpful! And yes I will upload the aoe rotation video at some point, I know it's a lot more confusing than the single-target one.
Hello Nimze! I just started playing and I found your videos! I like SV a lot, but I fear no one will accept me in dungeons and raids.. how do I manage these fears and keep them in check? Also, is this rotation still good nowadays for M+? If not, could you direct me to a good rotaton or some resources? Keep it up, you're incredible! Love your voice, and your content!
Hey! Survival hunter is a very memed on spec so there are a lot of people who won't invite you to groups just because you're playing the spec even though its really good. I don't know how to manage those fears but I will say one good thing about this is that when you join a group and beat them with the spec they believed was a meme you get some good reactions. I rotation is somewhat valid but it's a bit dated. Mongoose bite got a lot of nerfs and its now worth it to throw bombs inside the mongoose fury window and once you get the new tier set spearhead isn't a great option so that whole rotation part is invalid. If you want up to date info I'd highly suggest checking out the wowhead survival hunter written guide. Also huge thanks for the praise! I apricate it a lot
Hi again a great video playing survival since legion and happy to discover that I'm not doing bad with rotation and build (really close to your explanations) thank you
I would like to see more synergy with other abilities tied to the MB windows. Give cdr to Flanking Strike based on Mongoose Fury stacks. I also wish Viper's Venom was reverted to it's original form, can't happen given SS is in the general tree now. The less we press KC the better the spec feels (at least the less KC spam). I hope we get some talents reworked and/or removed. All the % nodes are so lame (2 point nodes many of them!), Bloody Talons, Quickshot, Flanker's Advantage, Explosives Expert are all absolute junk... They need to make bomb more impactful in single target, I like the generates 5(10) focus from CA but that's only AoE and not nearly impactful enough in ST situations. Anyway awesome vid as per usual, keep doing SV content!
Peach it! Honestly everything you said are the biggest parts of the talent tree that need a rework. All those talents you listed are incredibly lame and I hate how vipers venom was changed, not pressing serpent sting at all feels odd. And yes more mongoose fury interaction! Also thank you for saying the vid was awesome!
I really wish either we can prime our bombs to exactly what we want, like blue for AOE with butchery or green to spread SS to multiple targets. Though I'm not sure how we could except for like, a foldout menu and some clunky macros (I'm getting Trap Launcher flashbacks). Also I kinda wish Harpoon had no minimum range honestly.
That would be cool but I'm not sure how blizzard would manage that without just having them as 3 different buttons to press. But if they found a way then that would make life easier then just randomly getting them. It does feel weird that spearhead and coordinated assault have a longer range than harpoon does
I'll try and get it out in a few days, honestly I'm still trying to figure out how to explain the rotation as its super awkward and very button bloated compared to the single-target rotation.
I wanted to try hunter for once as i started with hunt when i first started playing, but ngl, even tho you broke it down quite well, it still sounds hella "complicated" as in what has prio and the "mongoose" window being "constant". Still really nice video tho! :) dropped a follow for future guides if it becomes less complicated for me :D
Since Legion i was expecting Blizzard to make Fury of the Eagle to cast automatically after reaching 5 stacks of Mongoose Fury without interrupting the rotation or to spawn an Eagle attacking at your side for the class identity. It's such a shame the spell is once again not worth it. These damn 5 target caps wouldn't be an issue if they didn't nerf the bombs so much :s
It's still worth to press in AoE this was just for single-target scenarios. But yes it is incredibly lame how they removed the 'interesting' part of the ability and now its just an ability that does some AoE damage. The fact that there is a 3 point node tied to it that also doesn't do anything remotely interesting feels really bad.
@@NimzeWoW I ended up removing the spell it was creating too much interruption (breaks the flow) in the gameplay when you can get some useful spells that we should be baseline. I love the spec but it's messy af. We need a rework to be more coherent. But the number are alright now which is already a positive ! Thanks for replying btw !
@@싸넬동지-7성 That's understandable. The spec currently has far too many buttons in AoE and yes you're right by calling it messy because the talent tree for survival is the most jumbled mess of a talent tree anyone could possibly create.
Finally hit 70 on my hunter. Have there been any changes since you made this video? Do you have a list of your talent specs per fight in raids and per mythic? I see that sometimes you take Sentinel Owl, is it solely for the 5% leech? If so how good of a cooldown is it? And is it party wide or raid wide too? Sorry for all the questions but I got more. Any pending 'bugs' in the survival tree still in the game that would otherwise direct you to take other talents? Any good discords or sites to check for good surv info? Thanks! Subbed and waiiting for more great content
No changes since I made this video. I don't have a list but do you have tier set yet since that will impact your talent choices a lot in raid? and also it's all dependent on which difficulty you're doing and what your group is like. For example I could say to run coordinated assault + fury of the eagle + explosive shot on eranog for the adds but if your group kills the adds straight away then you won't get much coordinated assault value meaning it's going to be better to run spearhead. But generally if it's mainly a single-target fight you'll wanna run spearhead and if it's a fight with adds or full cleave like council then you'd run coordinated assault. It'd be hard to list all the talents used for each fight and each m+ dungeon/week/affix combo on a comment but I could look at making a video on it just to easily list them all. Owl sucks real bad, it's only to party and yes it's solely for the 5% leech. I only take it because the other utility options (after you take all the good stuff) are equally as useless so it's either take owl or rejuvenating wind or pathfinding. There are a lot of talent tree bugs but not many really impact the choices you'd make. Ruthless Marauder is currently bugged and gives an extra 15% crit chance on fury of the eagle for each point in it. So at 2 points you gain 30% extra crit chance which makes taking 2 points in this talent an option in dungeons when the dungeon has a lot of big packs like academy. Otherwise you'd probably never want to take the talent. Lunge is bugged and only increases the melee range on mongoose bite and our auto attack so it doesn't affect any of our aoe abilities which is something to note when deciding if you want to take that talent. Check out the Trueshot Lodge which has a lot of active Survival Hunter players who discuss things about the spec and will answer any questions you might have. Otherwise wowhead has a pretty decent up to date written guide on the spec
@@NimzeWoW Wow thank you for the deep well thought answer! Every question I had was addressed. Super grateful. To answer your questions I've hit 70 on my hunter about 48hrs ago. Currently at 377 ilvl (just 1 piece of tier, great vault gave me the same tier derp) so a LONG way to go and likely lfr and normals + lots of mythics in my immediate future. But either way your insights are excellent. Will very much be looking forward to your next videos on the topic and possibly one with your weak auras? Another plus if you got time would be a 5min recap of your spec variations on vault and/or mythic bosses and why the variations. Thanks a ton again man
Guys we should never do as Nimze says, otherwise our Survival Hunter will be nerfed to ground, he's an spy from Blizzard to make Survival hunter look like op! 😂 Jokes aside, pretty nice guide! We all 5 of us are real happy with this. My question is, which pet should we use? Do they all deal same damage? I know that's too basic question but it's hard to find a knowledge source like you! 🙂
Damn how did you know! I'm glad the other 5 of you guys enjoyed it. Blizz pay me in store mounts so every new player I get to role survival I get another mount. Pet-wise all pets do the same damage the biggest choice is choosing a pet family. Ferocity - Give you and the pet 10% leech and hero Tenacity - Give you 5% max health and a 20% extra health cooldown Cunning - Give you 8% move speed and a root break The go to pet family to use for survival is Ferocity since the leech is huge for survivability plus being able to hero in keys is nice. All pets have their own unique abilities but none of them really matter at all. It's just things like damage reduction for the pet for a few seconds or a mediocre slow. If you want to check out all the pets and which family they are in ect you can check out: www.wow-petopia.com/index.php which has all the information on pets.
Such great content! So informative on the survival hunter rotation! I could not see the same for M+ rotation but if you could do it it would be amazing! New subscriber here
Thank you! Glad you found it informative. I'm actually kind of worried with trying to make the AoE rotation video because that rotation is incredibly messy and really quite awkward. It's going to be an actual nightmare trying to figure out how to explain it but I'm going to give it a go because I know that's the area of the spec people get most confused with.
I don't really use many weak auras. Just have one for my focus bar and one to track latent poison stacks on enemy nameplates. The thing I use to track cooldowns and abilities is an addon called 'tellmewhen'.
I am a returning player and i'm trying to figure out what I want to main. Great video, and thank you for the info. I don't really care TOO much about damage numbers because i have never been efficient enough to do perfect rotations anyway, so that's not an issue. I really want to play survival, be a melee fighter with a pet friend. But damn the gameplay sounds not fun for me with spamming one spender. Not a cut on you, I just really wish they would make the actual play more interesting. Am I wrong? Subbed for future info, maybe things will get changed up.
The single-target rotation for survival is pretty basic but there's something fun about hitting big mongoose bites. But if it doesn't look like a fun gameplay loop to you then yeah there's tons of specs in the game just give some a try and see what looks the most fun. But as far as a melee fighter with a pet friend yeah that's basically survival in a nutshell, the aoe rotation is a lot different so maybe you'd like that part of it I'm not sure.
@Nimze I'm thinking I might start leveling a survival and see how it goes. Thank you for the reply. If I am not enjoying myself at lvl 60 would it be safe to say It's just not for me in the current state?
Hey Nimze, really enjoying the content! Can you give us your weakaura package, seems stripped down to a point you can handle all information and easy to get used to.
As for my ui, I actually only have a weakaura to show my focus bar. The thing that shows all my buffs and cooldowns is another addon called tellmewhen.
Question, if the wildfire bomb is so trash, and contributes to so little, why talent into Wildfire Infusion? Couldnt that point be better spent somewhere else in the tree? Like another point into the crit node, or Lunge.
Well a lot of our talents are close to being useless in terms of the dps gain they give. It's quite close but wildfire infusion still beats out sharp edges (only by 0.7% overall dps for me so not a big gap). But the talent is still a 2% dps gain rather than taking no talent at all so its not massive but still...
Question about Sentinel Owl's Leech, what's the amount of healing you're seeing and is it something you put down on CD, or when you expect heavy damage?
Not that much, its really not that impactful. I only take it because the other options after you take all the 'good' utility stuff are all very unimpactful so it doesn't matter that much with which ones you take. I just like owl since it feels like you are contributing to the team with the leech effecting everyone in the party but I'm not sure about how much healing it's actually doing. Also it doesn't have a CD it's kind of weird. It gains a stack every time you spend 150 focus and once it reaches 5 stacks you are then able to press it with it only lasting for 5 seconds. As it stacks up higher then the longer it will stay around when you use it up to 12 seconds. I only use it when expecting 'heavy' damage incoming or to line of sight enemies if I have to hide behind a wall
For opening, you almost always start with shrapnel bomb, also just free bomb Thing about fury of the eagle, if you get pheromone bomb and boss is immune or you are running somewhere, you can just reset you kc 20 times and fury is back.
Funnily enough the sim robots actually come back with it being a dps loss throwing a bomb whilst harpooning in when running spearhead. Turns out delaying your spearhead & mongoose window for a second with throwing a bomb (even blue bomb) ends up being less damage overall and its better to use that first gcd on a death chakram whilst harpooning in instead. Weird right, I didn't realise until a week or two ago
Can you explain ehy we take the talent where kill command gives a chance for srcane shit to be instsnt?? Did i miss something or can we not use arcane shot
We can't use arcane shot without switching to a bow. The talent shoots the arcane shot automatically when kill command resets so we don't have to actually press arcane shot. The talent itself is kind of weak (nets us less than 1% overall damage) but ranger is so strong so you mainly take the talent just to get ranger.
Hey this is kind of unrelated, what are your thoughts on Acidic Hailstone Treads? Especially when paired with another piece of gear with a toxified armor patch. Curious if you know/have tested the proc rate in AoE, I most M+ for PvE content.
They are really good in single-target, aoe they seem pretty good too but I haven't tested them much. They are basically better than any other embellishment for us overall, though it all depends on what your gear looks like. For me personally, in a 4-5 target sim my ring with the potion embellishment thing is still winning out but that's assuming the add packs will live for 45 seconds+ in m+. But that's a bit iffy anyway since it's not like you pull a big add pack every 5 minutes so in general the boots would win out. If you don't use combat potions at all, or rarely use them, then the boots are a sure pick. As for also having the toxified armor patch, I haven't simmed it at all but I hear it sims pretty well. Just unsure if it's simming higher than a lariat + the acidic hailstone treads so that's something you'd have to sim or ask in the trueshot lodge discord.
Question about latent injection or whatever it’s called. The talent that stacks serpent sting. I know when you mongoose bite it consumes those stacks but with a boss like terros where your spamming mongoose the stacks don’t get too high. Am I missing something on that or is that just the way it is for one mob? Thank you
That's the way it is. It does the same damage overall as if you were to let the stacks get high. If you mongoose bite when latent poison is only on 1 stack 10 times it'll do the same damage as if you mongoose bite when its at 10 stacks once.
Still a bit too early to tell since they may still change things but, currently we are looking to be in the exact same spot as we are now. Really good single-target damage, bad aoe damage and no raid buff/utility. I highly doubt it will be 20x behind the other specs mind.
The one I posted in the description is the one I use and it works fine for me so I'm not too sure. You could try and change 'use' to 'cast' but other then that I'm not sure what the issue could be. Glad the video helped you out though!
Survival can 100% do 22s and above. None of the people I usually do keys with wanted to push this season so we just do the 8 20's for vault, I don't really want to pug either so I've been pretty chill just doing the 20s but I can still upload some, just doesn't feel as great posting a +20 now they are pretty easy to do with the gear we have
The one I use seems to not work for a lot of people. I'm assuming it's because I just use the generic wow unit frames and most other people use custom unit frames but I don't know the exact reason for it not working. Anyway I'll send you an export string to one that should work though it's not exactly the same as mine but it does the same thing: !WA:2!1z1tVTvXw8AsRkYfijUTrPT0siarGQuuFUQ9HO0w5BWMKkhB)U2L2hlE(o(EhFVd9MzMoZCDQdSaSqOa8E6j5fSRSWsSh5pbOi(amYcXU3Mi2(esr8bGZmx70eAIxyp)58NFNFNZCootPCBKlixW2V1aIpJwNLi8XzgHsurmrvUIWOYSIUvB3wIv3EiI6dNxJrOkNYfl1yKpJfhW2KwFtch7TZKTfdcXEogl61tjiHHyH8FTKy8YTND3ejUjQLKjATola7nketXcIF9i2MvPdKWpfI3e1vURmPfUdMQQjWTjpXTETILl3xYXXXvqBGN)f(F3Yr1LJDsOefp3Zm7QyuS107BH6jTblmS5kfQ3Oz9gfCB4ApNFU7d6UWkribYxbOqQi(Ybb4wGcnaBlwTy5ALUF5rcWM1N46wRNS1wX4rgxUpE86zxUwGmRlf2lZYN1iWHcpVEMJma2RVzLc87J8056B0GhJu4(j0Xuv2L0z3(YUwrCGScZOrDfSt61hLiqwVCXrLbTOQfGmJKr1VMN(L0VSoNEX(c8gicLqdxm)1eGUwu2sATqURnAdKYpcltbgOYRON2gr7RwKEEXQfCxhIFBAzLygfl90Z6A8E(DtTuvGLqkMi3D0NtFE9z90NXtph)cRmUEyHAcwOalLl82wc8D0xjR(I6lPFvp9LZYZTV7AYMyP3xVGNEgtcw)6EcWgvPXD90Vr2Hbe5NKq9vKo48iAx(Si76gPmMjPFQ9GcuSGII)iOWdQH)09EegZlajhFLlcQQJ6lXXTTfYTwPyLgfDHeUePGysHJga1mU4qtX)7nNE2rW2wqygkyj0GTxK)6k8tunTF1MjaoSjVPISbUjxG9jghof)cpNmYXlCOafYx85Up)YJTYgSGMgC4Xx44fkDFg(m2BLriGNxHfZe3ltMmtXx641mghI872SDmJjI2lveYtWbpGeOI(c(BECb3H0BGGPai2aeZPs1kfhyvW3cGvV7V3S5NFItCIPw9U))N(0FYSIN7a48FM2pjZi7zBYebpqG49EW4fJg7CQY(8R69BuETkfF2P1jBH)7Js7f9WXM6iOQ)kBUBkcMK313IFw7jMNvG8eFlb4ua2o24tW5ow5(KeOZq7UGEVXXtUhOc4shPuPlDnchONvaLwgj6VFWXNPKGS1c)JeuaGA0cnAmM6oeKop)Qhpgc6cDfi(nvrWtUi4f4P5x54yNXLrPryha5TIH6UzoGhTK1oRvPsr3MovB0O66hzKnP6wx4qP6j5N(7RYIVLK)ohhCEoO39iEinHe1F8VokmMTzjb(XjyQF3AN8AlN)gPSQ5IDGwzFy843fr9mhzQOg1krPy0QDWIyu3bMJlJPHQOZp0SEswVF4evV3uWh7DtchhZMiR3Ber8Fe0tuoLvH6(OyC6YYe44zT23bkTXIOwrysyK62oXmuW3juGOuv(5C3ijwrYURFmskbApWmrXFPwsOJym(3MwV1n)JP9(TP9(LP9ALQ0C6TMB(t9ZFVx6qVdRz0a7CfRGrU27a5Z6yUZSy4ZUoFKJeEoTK(ZC5iHQlyw9x6nqy7(zil9lMpHem8g)nYdxVOFNhh62hrjM3lm6nDH2)cvPDWiZujHLepTEwDHrbMoPGinntNfsm8xbcK9mYznAbhtd)s6VXkT(B1)B9)rxOvByiGm6VE8qcnnHd2dgOMwwwsatYQHaFQ8mJeGbNDxd8Y8VWj)rNTySnYWp3K)oIPl1hqKiO2oWZmL30z)M6VoR()M1bCPk7afZVt6SI5Z8vdwKeKVCT1C300r42wkEYOmy(IRPBYEhagMqQFLcRxSw5cnkkEsArs5mTa80MeMvqOgJJJCrX8i0uU(7xvnWqmelGU4sUWSy)hvsN9u96GeedE1xDrgp3DC7GItW5ExHFeIgct8xs)dE94cZ4svxZ8QLV(YMcTEtIzVHTnqdYkqxKZKt6EdqIRNRZV8W)8p Let me know if this one doesn't work too but hopefully it does.
Any pet that is a Ferocity pet, I'll link petopia which has a list of all the pets, remember to only have the ferocity checkbox ticked to get the correct type. www.wow-petopia.com/index.php
That... is a really good question. I've been delaying it a lot because it's been scaring me, our aoe rotation is a bit awkward and aoe in general has a lot more variations than single-target. I will try and force myself to make it, I know its been over a month since I said I would do it and I had ideas for other short guide videos that I wanted to do after as well. So yeah... hopefully it will come out some day, I know most people find the aoe rotation confusing.
Some kind of rework would be sweet but I'm not sure how likely it is that they will actually change a lot of it. Quick shot is incredibly lame though but yes like you said we only really take to get ranger.
Yep it's real bad. If no tuning happens (which it almost certainly will). For single-target and raid we will still be using our current tier set. Despite losing the ilvl on 4 pieces. People have been simming and yeah, this new tier set is wayyy off.
Somewhat but it is a bit dated. Mongoose bite got nerfed and it's now worth it to press wildfire bomb inside the mongoose fury window. Also with the new tier set spearhead isn't a great option anymore. I highly suggest checking out the survival hunter written guide on wowhead, its a lot more up to date
I think its a great ability its mainly the fact that a lot of people don't like feeling forced to constantly run out of melee just to harpoon back in. On some boss fights it can be incredibly deadly to harpoon at certain times and bosses like terros have set positions you'll harpoon to instead of just straight infront of you which can be annoying. I don't mind it but I just know there's a lot who don't like that kind of playstyle
That's pretty much all survival does. In season 3&4 of shadowlands it was bomb kill command bomb kill command bomb kill command. Now its mongoose bite kill command mongoose bite kill command (repeat)
@@NimzeWoW I didn't mean to sound hyperbolic, SV is one of my favorite specs. I've been playing SV since they were changed to melee back in legion, constantly getting kicked from groups in bfa for not playing bm in m+ lol. and somehow, the seasons the spec was straight busted SL3/4, I was playing mm (rip.) I rerolled coming in to DF, the spec tree looked all over the place. Feel like they tried to make SV more akin to the other hunter specs after it feeling like its own class for the last 3 expansions -- and personally, I hate the idea of randomly summoning hordes of wild beasts with stampede. It ruined the class fantasy for me. I still try and give SV content creators their watch time, the spec needs its spotlight.
@@ethanavrigean6734 It's a lot more interesting than it was in season 3&4 of shadowlands that's for sure, and I do like the current AoE rotation somewhat even though its a little bloated but idk about CA. I really like how you can cleave kill shots, that bits real cool. Not sure I'm a fan of having it tied to pet special attacks as it can be a bit awkward sometimes but if they fix that then yeah I'd probably agree and love it too. Though I do understand its kind of that spec fantasy how we're working together with our pet, just personally I feel its a tiny bit too clunky but its really good to see them trying new things with the ability.
@@TheArmouryOfficial Don't worry the comment made me laugh, it's a good way to sum up the video. Really surprised I haven't gotten kicked from a group yet for being survival with us being back to meme status but then again I haven't pugged all that much this expac yet. I do have good memories of joining a m+ group, getting the "surv lol?" followed by a kick. I mean I say good memories but that happened way too much in season 1 of shadowlands and it wasn't so good at the time. Also saying the spec tree looks all over the place is very accurate. It's a big mess still, I think they just ran out of time and shipped it. Thanks for giving me that watch time anyway! The spec needs any kind of light it can get right now, survivals like that kid at school with head lise that nobody wants to go near
This is so great, finally the guide with all the nuance and explanations I was looking for. Thanks for putting out the survival hunter content
You're very welcome!
thanks for this guide!
You're welcome!
Just started SV and was genuinely surprised how much I enjoyed it. I stumbled on to this video and found it extremely helpful and simple to understand. Easy subscribe. Looking forward to your AoE video and all your other SV content.
Thanks! It is a bit dated now with the new patch so I'd suggest checking out the wowhead written guide since the new tier set does shake things up a bit - spearheads not as great as it once was with the loss of our season 1 tier set
As someone who used to play hunter hardcore and is coming back to Surv for certain fights in mythic progression, this is EXACTLY what I was needing. Easy to understand breakdown while still going through the nuances that let us start to min-max. May all your BIS items drop.
Thanks! Though it is slightly outdated now. With 10.1 and the new tier set things have changed a bit. It's still an okay basis to go from but I'd suggest checking out wowhead for a more up to date guide
Hey man, please never stop making videos! I've wanted to play Suvival at end game since it turned melee but the mongoose mechanic always had me a little nervous. But since I watched this guide and your full one a few months ago you've given the confidence to finally give it a ago. So thank you, and please dont leave me now!
Never stop making videos is a tall order but I'll keep making them as long as people find them useful and worthwhile. I'm just a bit slow with uploading, it's hard to find the time to make all these guides I do want to make. But, I will upload videos just very slowly
I am glad Marcellian mentioned you and your channel. This made understanding Survival so easy. Thank you for your video. BM just gets boring to play after awhile and MM just seems to require so many different builds depending on the fight. Not to mention it seems as if you have to stand still as MM to do good damage. Most fights require movement now. Thanks again for the video!
You're very welcome! And that's really cool to hear that my video got mentioned, that's very unexpected. And yeah I feel you with BM and MM, especially with having to stand still with MM.
Best Survival Guide around!
great vid! looking foward the aoe rotation!!
thanks and glad it was helpful! And yes I will upload the aoe rotation video at some point, I know it's a lot more confusing than the single-target one.
Great guide, super knowledgeable 👏👏💯💯👌👌
(also all the builds in the description are the same)
Oops... thanks for letting me know I didn't even realise I did that. Changed them all now! Also thank you for the positive comment!!
Hello Nimze! I just started playing and I found your videos! I like SV a lot, but I fear no one will accept me in dungeons and raids.. how do I manage these fears and keep them in check? Also, is this rotation still good nowadays for M+? If not, could you direct me to a good rotaton or some resources? Keep it up, you're incredible! Love your voice, and your content!
Hey! Survival hunter is a very memed on spec so there are a lot of people who won't invite you to groups just because you're playing the spec even though its really good. I don't know how to manage those fears but I will say one good thing about this is that when you join a group and beat them with the spec they believed was a meme you get some good reactions. I rotation is somewhat valid but it's a bit dated. Mongoose bite got a lot of nerfs and its now worth it to throw bombs inside the mongoose fury window and once you get the new tier set spearhead isn't a great option so that whole rotation part is invalid. If you want up to date info I'd highly suggest checking out the wowhead survival hunter written guide.
Also huge thanks for the praise! I apricate it a lot
Hi again a great video playing survival since legion and happy to discover that I'm not doing bad with rotation and build (really close to your explanations) thank you
You're welcome! Good to hear you've been pressing those mongoose bites correctly
I would like to see more synergy with other abilities tied to the MB windows. Give cdr to Flanking Strike based on Mongoose Fury stacks.
I also wish Viper's Venom was reverted to it's original form, can't happen given SS is in the general tree now.
The less we press KC the better the spec feels (at least the less KC spam).
I hope we get some talents reworked and/or removed.
All the % nodes are so lame (2 point nodes many of them!), Bloody Talons, Quickshot, Flanker's Advantage, Explosives Expert are all absolute junk...
They need to make bomb more impactful in single target, I like the generates 5(10) focus from CA but that's only AoE and not nearly impactful enough in ST situations.
Anyway awesome vid as per usual, keep doing SV content!
Peach it!
Honestly everything you said are the biggest parts of the talent tree that need a rework. All those talents you listed are incredibly lame and I hate how vipers venom was changed, not pressing serpent sting at all feels odd. And yes more mongoose fury interaction!
Also thank you for saying the vid was awesome!
This is a great video thanks for making this. Love all your videos keep them coming
Thank you! I appreciate the positivity!!
great vid, very clear and helpful :)
Happy to hear you found it helpful!
I really wish either we can prime our bombs to exactly what we want, like blue for AOE with butchery or green to spread SS to multiple targets. Though I'm not sure how we could except for like, a foldout menu and some clunky macros (I'm getting Trap Launcher flashbacks).
Also I kinda wish Harpoon had no minimum range honestly.
That would be cool but I'm not sure how blizzard would manage that without just having them as 3 different buttons to press. But if they found a way then that would make life easier then just randomly getting them.
It does feel weird that spearhead and coordinated assault have a longer range than harpoon does
Love the surv vids, can we get a new m+ vid soon?? 👀
Thank you! And I'll upload some m+ at some point just didn't do many last week.
waiting to see the aoe rotation, im struggling so bad in aoe bosses (eranog and primal mythic) but doing amazing in st ones, great vid!
I'll try and get it out in a few days, honestly I'm still trying to figure out how to explain the rotation as its super awkward and very button bloated compared to the single-target rotation.
Thank you so much for this video!! It really helped a lot!
I'm happy to hear it was helpful!
I wanted to try hunter for once as i started with hunt when i first started playing, but ngl, even tho you broke it down quite well, it still sounds hella "complicated" as in what has prio and the "mongoose" window being "constant". Still really nice video tho! :) dropped a follow for future guides if it becomes less complicated for me :D
I totally understand, the spec as a whole is kind of confusing but thanks for the positive comment and the follow!
Since Legion i was expecting Blizzard to make Fury of the Eagle to cast automatically after reaching 5 stacks of Mongoose Fury without interrupting the rotation or to spawn an Eagle attacking at your side for the class identity.
It's such a shame the spell is once again not worth it. These damn 5 target caps wouldn't be an issue if they didn't nerf the bombs so much :s
It's still worth to press in AoE this was just for single-target scenarios. But yes it is incredibly lame how they removed the 'interesting' part of the ability and now its just an ability that does some AoE damage. The fact that there is a 3 point node tied to it that also doesn't do anything remotely interesting feels really bad.
@@NimzeWoW I ended up removing the spell it was creating too much interruption (breaks the flow) in the gameplay when you can get some useful spells that we should be baseline. I love the spec but it's messy af.
We need a rework to be more coherent. But the number are alright now which is already a positive !
Thanks for replying btw !
@@싸넬동지-7성 That's understandable. The spec currently has far too many buttons in AoE and yes you're right by calling it messy because the talent tree for survival is the most jumbled mess of a talent tree anyone could possibly create.
Finally hit 70 on my hunter. Have there been any changes since you made this video?
Do you have a list of your talent specs per fight in raids and per mythic?
I see that sometimes you take Sentinel Owl, is it solely for the 5% leech? If so how good of a cooldown is it? And is it party wide or raid wide too?
Sorry for all the questions but I got more.
Any pending 'bugs' in the survival tree still in the game that would otherwise direct you to take other talents? Any good discords or sites to check for good surv info?
Thanks! Subbed and waiiting for more great content
No changes since I made this video.
I don't have a list but do you have tier set yet since that will impact your talent choices a lot in raid? and also it's all dependent on which difficulty you're doing and what your group is like. For example I could say to run coordinated assault + fury of the eagle + explosive shot on eranog for the adds but if your group kills the adds straight away then you won't get much coordinated assault value meaning it's going to be better to run spearhead. But generally if it's mainly a single-target fight you'll wanna run spearhead and if it's a fight with adds or full cleave like council then you'd run coordinated assault. It'd be hard to list all the talents used for each fight and each m+ dungeon/week/affix combo on a comment but I could look at making a video on it just to easily list them all.
Owl sucks real bad, it's only to party and yes it's solely for the 5% leech. I only take it because the other utility options (after you take all the good stuff) are equally as useless so it's either take owl or rejuvenating wind or pathfinding.
There are a lot of talent tree bugs but not many really impact the choices you'd make. Ruthless Marauder is currently bugged and gives an extra 15% crit chance on fury of the eagle for each point in it. So at 2 points you gain 30% extra crit chance which makes taking 2 points in this talent an option in dungeons when the dungeon has a lot of big packs like academy. Otherwise you'd probably never want to take the talent. Lunge is bugged and only increases the melee range on mongoose bite and our auto attack so it doesn't affect any of our aoe abilities which is something to note when deciding if you want to take that talent.
Check out the Trueshot Lodge which has a lot of active Survival Hunter players who discuss things about the spec and will answer any questions you might have. Otherwise wowhead has a pretty decent up to date written guide on the spec
@@NimzeWoW Wow thank you for the deep well thought answer! Every question I had was addressed. Super grateful.
To answer your questions I've hit 70 on my hunter about 48hrs ago. Currently at 377 ilvl (just 1 piece of tier, great vault gave me the same tier derp) so a LONG way to go and likely lfr and normals + lots of mythics in my immediate future. But either way your insights are excellent.
Will very much be looking forward to your next videos on the topic and possibly one with your weak auras? Another plus if you got time would be a 5min recap of your spec variations on vault and/or mythic bosses and why the variations.
Thanks a ton again man
Guys we should never do as Nimze says, otherwise our Survival Hunter will be nerfed to ground, he's an spy from Blizzard to make Survival hunter look like op! 😂
Jokes aside, pretty nice guide! We all 5 of us are real happy with this. My question is, which pet should we use? Do they all deal same damage? I know that's too basic question but it's hard to find a knowledge source like you! 🙂
Damn how did you know!
I'm glad the other 5 of you guys enjoyed it. Blizz pay me in store mounts so every new player I get to role survival I get another mount.
Pet-wise all pets do the same damage the biggest choice is choosing a pet family.
Ferocity - Give you and the pet 10% leech and hero
Tenacity - Give you 5% max health and a 20% extra health cooldown
Cunning - Give you 8% move speed and a root break
The go to pet family to use for survival is Ferocity since the leech is huge for survivability plus being able to hero in keys is nice.
All pets have their own unique abilities but none of them really matter at all. It's just things like damage reduction for the pet for a few seconds or a mediocre slow.
If you want to check out all the pets and which family they are in ect you can check out: www.wow-petopia.com/index.php
which has all the information on pets.
Thank you! See you in damage charts! ( I hope.. 🥲 )
Such great content! So informative on the survival hunter rotation! I could not see the same for M+ rotation but if you could do it it would be amazing! New subscriber here
Thank you! Glad you found it informative. I'm actually kind of worried with trying to make the AoE rotation video because that rotation is incredibly messy and really quite awkward. It's going to be an actual nightmare trying to figure out how to explain it but I'm going to give it a go because I know that's the area of the spec people get most confused with.
Hey Nimze, love the guide was wondering about your weakauras, which do you use? Been trying to find one similar to yours.
I don't really use many weak auras. Just have one for my focus bar and one to track latent poison stacks on enemy nameplates. The thing I use to track cooldowns and abilities is an addon called 'tellmewhen'.
I am a returning player and i'm trying to figure out what I want to main. Great video, and thank you for the info. I don't really care TOO much about damage numbers because i have never been efficient enough to do perfect rotations anyway, so that's not an issue. I really want to play survival, be a melee fighter with a pet friend. But damn the gameplay sounds not fun for me with spamming one spender. Not a cut on you, I just really wish they would make the actual play more interesting. Am I wrong? Subbed for future info, maybe things will get changed up.
The single-target rotation for survival is pretty basic but there's something fun about hitting big mongoose bites. But if it doesn't look like a fun gameplay loop to you then yeah there's tons of specs in the game just give some a try and see what looks the most fun. But as far as a melee fighter with a pet friend yeah that's basically survival in a nutshell, the aoe rotation is a lot different so maybe you'd like that part of it I'm not sure.
@Nimze I'm thinking I might start leveling a survival and see how it goes. Thank you for the reply. If I am not enjoying myself at lvl 60 would it be safe to say It's just not for me in the current state?
NICEEEE
Hey Nimze, really enjoying the content! Can you give us your weakaura package, seems stripped down to a point you can handle all information and easy to get used to.
As for my ui, I actually only have a weakaura to show my focus bar. The thing that shows all my buffs and cooldowns is another addon called tellmewhen.
@@NimzeWoW thats very nice! Wasn´t aware that "tell me when" is such a cool Addon . will use it in the future
Question, if the wildfire bomb is so trash, and contributes to so little, why talent into Wildfire Infusion? Couldnt that point be better spent somewhere else in the tree? Like another point into the crit node, or Lunge.
Well a lot of our talents are close to being useless in terms of the dps gain they give. It's quite close but wildfire infusion still beats out sharp edges (only by 0.7% overall dps for me so not a big gap). But the talent is still a 2% dps gain rather than taking no talent at all so its not massive but still...
extremely useful, looking forward to the aoe vid
Glad to hear you found the video useful!
Question about Sentinel Owl's Leech, what's the amount of healing you're seeing and is it something you put down on CD, or when you expect heavy damage?
Not that much, its really not that impactful. I only take it because the other options after you take all the 'good' utility stuff are all very unimpactful so it doesn't matter that much with which ones you take. I just like owl since it feels like you are contributing to the team with the leech effecting everyone in the party but I'm not sure about how much healing it's actually doing. Also it doesn't have a CD it's kind of weird. It gains a stack every time you spend 150 focus and once it reaches 5 stacks you are then able to press it with it only lasting for 5 seconds. As it stacks up higher then the longer it will stay around when you use it up to 12 seconds.
I only use it when expecting 'heavy' damage incoming or to line of sight enemies if I have to hide behind a wall
For opening, you almost always start with shrapnel bomb, also just free bomb
Thing about fury of the eagle, if you get pheromone bomb and boss is immune or you are running somewhere, you can just reset you kc 20 times and fury is back.
Funnily enough the sim robots actually come back with it being a dps loss throwing a bomb whilst harpooning in when running spearhead. Turns out delaying your spearhead & mongoose window for a second with throwing a bomb (even blue bomb) ends up being less damage overall and its better to use that first gcd on a death chakram whilst harpooning in instead. Weird right, I didn't realise until a week or two ago
Can you explain ehy we take the talent where kill command gives a chance for srcane shit to be instsnt??
Did i miss something or can we not use arcane shot
We can't use arcane shot without switching to a bow. The talent shoots the arcane shot automatically when kill command resets so we don't have to actually press arcane shot. The talent itself is kind of weak (nets us less than 1% overall damage) but ranger is so strong so you mainly take the talent just to get ranger.
Hey this is kind of unrelated, what are your thoughts on Acidic Hailstone Treads? Especially when paired with another piece of gear with a toxified armor patch. Curious if you know/have tested the proc rate in AoE, I most M+ for PvE content.
They are really good in single-target, aoe they seem pretty good too but I haven't tested them much. They are basically better than any other embellishment for us overall, though it all depends on what your gear looks like. For me personally, in a 4-5 target sim my ring with the potion embellishment thing is still winning out but that's assuming the add packs will live for 45 seconds+ in m+. But that's a bit iffy anyway since it's not like you pull a big add pack every 5 minutes so in general the boots would win out. If you don't use combat potions at all, or rarely use them, then the boots are a sure pick.
As for also having the toxified armor patch, I haven't simmed it at all but I hear it sims pretty well. Just unsure if it's simming higher than a lariat + the acidic hailstone treads so that's something you'd have to sim or ask in the trueshot lodge discord.
@@NimzeWoW do you know if the damage proc can happen on dot damage? I figured its probably just application damage though
@@ethanavrigean6734 I honestly have no idea. I doubt it but it's not something that I've tested. Haven't crafted the boots myself
Question about latent injection or whatever it’s called. The talent that stacks serpent sting. I know when you mongoose bite it consumes those stacks but with a boss like terros where your spamming mongoose the stacks don’t get too high.
Am I missing something on that or is that just the way it is for one mob? Thank you
That's the way it is. It does the same damage overall as if you were to let the stacks get high.
If you mongoose bite when latent poison is only on 1 stack 10 times it'll do the same damage as if you mongoose bite when its at 10 stacks once.
Ok so is it worth taking it still or take something else? Thank you
@@josiahpascal5871 It's still worth to take it, its just some passive damage that you don't have to worry about tracking in single target.
Thanks a bunch
What is your thoughts on all the new survival 10.1 stuff? I was wanting to play it but I don't wanna play a sec that's 20x behind the other specs.
Still a bit too early to tell since they may still change things but, currently we are looking to be in the exact same spot as we are now. Really good single-target damage, bad aoe damage and no raid buff/utility. I highly doubt it will be 20x behind the other specs mind.
whit macro kill comand doesnt work or im doing something wrong and thx for the vid it help me alot
The one I posted in the description is the one I use and it works fine for me so I'm not too sure. You could try and change 'use' to 'cast' but other then that I'm not sure what the issue could be. Glad the video helped you out though!
can you upload some m+ keys as survival ? i mean can survival do 22s and above ?
Survival can 100% do 22s and above. None of the people I usually do keys with wanted to push this season so we just do the 8 20's for vault, I don't really want to pug either so I've been pretty chill just doing the 20s but I can still upload some, just doesn't feel as great posting a +20 now they are pretty easy to do with the gear we have
Anyone else have problems with the LP tracker? I can't seem to get it to work.
The one I use seems to not work for a lot of people. I'm assuming it's because I just use the generic wow unit frames and most other people use custom unit frames but I don't know the exact reason for it not working. Anyway I'll send you an export string to one that should work though it's not exactly the same as mine but it does the same thing:
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Let me know if this one doesn't work too but hopefully it does.
@@NimzeWoW sweet thanks!
I also use standard blizzard frames.
What would a good pet to use
Any pet that is a Ferocity pet, I'll link petopia which has a list of all the pets, remember to only have the ferocity checkbox ticked to get the correct type. www.wow-petopia.com/index.php
Hey, any idea on when the aoe video is coming out?
That... is a really good question. I've been delaying it a lot because it's been scaring me, our aoe rotation is a bit awkward and aoe in general has a lot more variations than single-target. I will try and force myself to make it, I know its been over a month since I said I would do it and I had ideas for other short guide videos that I wanted to do after as well. So yeah... hopefully it will come out some day, I know most people find the aoe rotation confusing.
Survival tree need a rework, quick shot is desgusting but we need spend point in it to get the ranger talent....sad.
Some kind of rework would be sweet but I'm not sure how likely it is that they will actually change a lot of it. Quick shot is incredibly lame though but yes like you said we only really take to get ranger.
Ugh, just looked at the set bonus, revolves completely around the stupid bombs lol.
Yep it's real bad. If no tuning happens (which it almost certainly will). For single-target and raid we will still be using our current tier set. Despite losing the ilvl on 4 pieces. People have been simming and yeah, this new tier set is wayyy off.
Still valid in 10.1?
Somewhat but it is a bit dated. Mongoose bite got nerfed and it's now worth it to press wildfire bomb inside the mongoose fury window. Also with the new tier set spearhead isn't a great option anymore. I highly suggest checking out the survival hunter written guide on wowhead, its a lot more up to date
Who hates Harpoon‽ it’s the best ability in the game.
I think its a great ability its mainly the fact that a lot of people don't like feeling forced to constantly run out of melee just to harpoon back in. On some boss fights it can be incredibly deadly to harpoon at certain times and bosses like terros have set positions you'll harpoon to instead of just straight infront of you which can be annoying. I don't mind it but I just know there's a lot who don't like that kind of playstyle
14 minute video essentially saying, “mongoose bite.”
That's pretty much all survival does. In season 3&4 of shadowlands it was bomb kill command bomb kill command bomb kill command. Now its mongoose bite kill command mongoose bite kill command (repeat)
@@NimzeWoW At least MB spam requires focus management and the AoE rotation is much much more interesting in DF. I love the new CA so so much
@@NimzeWoW I didn't mean to sound hyperbolic, SV is one of my favorite specs. I've been playing SV since they were changed to melee back in legion, constantly getting kicked from groups in bfa for not playing bm in m+ lol. and somehow, the seasons the spec was straight busted SL3/4, I was playing mm (rip.)
I rerolled coming in to DF, the spec tree looked all over the place. Feel like they tried to make SV more akin to the other hunter specs after it feeling like its own class for the last 3 expansions -- and personally, I hate the idea of randomly summoning hordes of wild beasts with stampede. It ruined the class fantasy for me.
I still try and give SV content creators their watch time, the spec needs its spotlight.
@@ethanavrigean6734 It's a lot more interesting than it was in season 3&4 of shadowlands that's for sure, and I do like the current AoE rotation somewhat even though its a little bloated but idk about CA. I really like how you can cleave kill shots, that bits real cool. Not sure I'm a fan of having it tied to pet special attacks as it can be a bit awkward sometimes but if they fix that then yeah I'd probably agree and love it too. Though I do understand its kind of that spec fantasy how we're working together with our pet, just personally I feel its a tiny bit too clunky but its really good to see them trying new things with the ability.
@@TheArmouryOfficial Don't worry the comment made me laugh, it's a good way to sum up the video.
Really surprised I haven't gotten kicked from a group yet for being survival with us being back to meme status but then again I haven't pugged all that much this expac yet. I do have good memories of joining a m+ group, getting the "surv lol?" followed by a kick. I mean I say good memories but that happened way too much in season 1 of shadowlands and it wasn't so good at the time.
Also saying the spec tree looks all over the place is very accurate. It's a big mess still, I think they just ran out of time and shipped it.
Thanks for giving me that watch time anyway! The spec needs any kind of light it can get right now, survivals like that kid at school with head lise that nobody wants to go near