Finding the Ultimate Gain Tone by Stacking Overdrive Pedals - Is More Always Better?
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👆 Stacking overdrive pedals can be a major part in creating your unique tone but can go wrong if not done correctly. Today, the Captain & Chappers test out some of Andertons most popular overdrive & distortions to find out which pedal combinations stack best! ➡️ tinyurl.com/y5tf6fns
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In the shootout of all shootouts, Rob & The Captain put some of Andertons' favourite pedal brands to the test to find the best combination of gain pedals! Will more pedals equal more tone? How do you stack overdrive pedals?
Find out as the guys test out different combinations from BOSS, JHS Pedals, Way Huge & more so you know exactly how to create the perfect gain tone!
↪️ Episode Guide ↩️
» 0:00 Stacking Overdrives with Rob Chapman
» 0:41 How to Stack Overdrive Pedals
» 1:51 Which Gain Pedals Did We Choose?
» 4:08 Russian Pickle & Tube Screamer
» 4:50 Jam Pedals & Tube Screamer
» 5:47 Tube Screamer & EP Booster
» 6:49 Tube Screamer & Looking Glass
» 7:29 Let's Add 3 Pedals...
» 8:49 How Does It Sound With Fuzz?
» 10:25 Blackbox, Jam Pedals & Tube Screamer
» 13:00 Jam Pedals & Centura
» 14:41 BOSS Metal Zone With 4 Extra Pedals
» 20:14 Stacking 5 Overdrive Pedals
» 27:30 Which Pedals Would Rob & Lee Choose?
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You know what would've stacked amazingly well here? A tuner. 😉
Head Room That’ll be Rob smacking the strings like they spat in his coffee
I don’t think I’ve ever heard robs guitar be in tune. No matter what he’s playing. Haha.
All of the demo guitars are set up with 9s or 10s and Rob usually uses 4mm picks and 12s I think. He really twats the strings hard.
Nick M. Maybe your ear isnt trained enough
right? it's awful sonics. Everything in this video sounds like a minor II. ugh.
Chappers:"How about the metal zone, into...."
Lee: *grabs anything other than the metal zone, until he realises Rob isn't going to let it go*
Rob - Can we try the Metal Zone?
Lee - (avoiding the subject) let's just try this one......
lol
The reason you are having trouble with the Rattler is that you are using a crunchy amp. The Rat was designed with clean amp in mind. Just my take.
But wasn't The Rat used for boosting already cranked Marshall's in the 80s?
The Part Time Punk I agree with you. I own a vintage RAT and it sounds great through a high headroom clean amp. When used with an already crunchy amp, it in my experience tends to lose some of its definition. Just my two cents.
@@EliseoCaporale But Rob wasn't using the rat as a boost into an amp. He has using it As a gain stage into a gain stage into a gain stage. I find that distortion pedals react like and amp more than overdrive pedals do.
2nd this. The only thing you should stack into a fuzz or distortion is a boost.
If you're going to stack, don't gun every pedal, turn all the gains down or you miss the point. USE THE VOLUME CONTROLS.
I use Boost>"transparent drives">Fuzz>Distortion(Rat)>Pre amps/Amp, but the fuzz and Rat are never on together.
Only stack a fuzz if you want to sound like you've broken something \m/
@@theparttimepunk yup, It's obvious that a Rat, which is a pretty trebley distortion pedal is gonna sound bad used as a gain stage to another pedal. But I actually think the Rat can be used as a boost for Marshall style amps by itself, just maybe turn down the treble knob on the amp, using humbuckers and the bridge pickup.
Chappers: Metalzone!
Lee: Pls no...
Who is this imposter?? He said “less gain.”
ALL THE GAINNNN!!!
SLAYERRR
NO MIDS
It's been a while since that mug finally gets to disappear on 4:04.
Thanks, Rory.
I like Rob's opening statement "so shall I talk about my expectations?" I think I'm going to start all conversations with that from now on
Thanks for this video guys! I've been looking at loads of stacking videos but this is by far the best for me. I'm not as knowledgeable about stacking as if like to be and this has really helped. Thank you so much.
Stack low gain into a higher gain pedal. Also, don’t use so much drive from each pedal.
Yep 👍🏻
Genau
There are lot of ways how to do this. Some pedals with low gain can give you nice volume lift or EQ shape, when putted after high gain pedals. Klon or TS pedals excels at that.
@@stanislavmigra precisely. overall the last pedal in the chain will shape the sound the most. I use TS to tame fuzz / distortion highs and for the mid-boost in the band-setting more often than not.
Yup, I have actually have thatlooking glass last in the drive chain, it doesn't make any noise and shapes the drive like a pre amp, awesome always on pedal - definitely not for metal though😁
When I saw the thumbnail for this video, I honestly thought it was Lee and Dan Steinhard. 😂🤣
You could tell the Captain didn’t want none of the Metal Zone. Chaps said “let me try the metal zone “ at least 4 times before Lee run out of options.
I have my Wampler mini tumnus into the Fulltone OCD into Hall of Fame reverb into Marshall DSL 15h and cab,hard rock heaven !!!!
I have to congratulate you on this video. A perfect demonstration of how NOT to use overdrives
This was a very interesting episode but it was like watching someone doing a cooking show while they were trying to come up with a new recipe! I loved this but I would also love to see a follow-up where you show us any favorite combinations you come up with through experimentation you do before the next installment of stacking....
I don't know about an album, but Robert Smith from The Cure used four Line 6 Spiders for his sound during a concert not long before covid hit. It seemed to sound pretty good. Creativity can find a place for pretty much any piece of gear. That's the great thing about having it all to choose from. Enjoyed the video as always.
Once upon a time Rob learned to bend a note.... he's been bending it ever since...
Well that was brave. For our 600k subscribers let’s just plug in random pedals and twist knobs whichever way and see what happens. How about three gain pedals stacked in whatever random order; sure why not? Most established YT channels wouldn’t have the balls to fail this hard 😂 But I did stay to the end and will be back 🤘🎸
yeah, rob and lee aren't the best at finding good tones during these videos lmao
Something I have been doing forever, now have permanent of the board ( custom pedal) is DOD 250, MXR Distortion +, and Tonebender mk III. The deal is: the DOD and MXR are two halves of the same whole - Op Amp gain, while the Tonebender sits right in the middle of Fuzz Face and Big Muff, so by feeding the right amount of the right kind of Op Amp gain with it it can go either way. Hence- I can approximate a massive number of signature tones with a wide variety of conditions ( different amps, different rooms, etc) with one pedalboard.
I might have to use that tone on a record. Thank you guys.
I gain stack a Zakk Wylde overdrive and the Ibanez Nu-tube screamer. They work well together. Something I personally noticed in the video (and it makes a difference) was the order the pedals were placed ie. The tube screamer before or after a different O.D. pedal. It changes as to what pedal is driving what pedal.
SUPER insightful. Thank you!
Basically the video in one sentence "Lee dodging the metal zone and ultimately failing"
I think Boss needs to make a Blues Zone, and that will be Lee's Signature pedal.
Lol! You win best comment.
Thank you!
Haha your right mate, all subjective, Lee wanted the looking glass in there too... I'm a blues guy and have a looking glass and it sounds awesome as an always on pre-amp with od before it, use mine into my blues Jr and it totally livens it up at low volumes.....
I agree completely.
That said, my original comment was actually a Metal Zone joke. Make a Blues Zone, and that will be Lee's Siganture pedal.
@@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy I get it dude, I know what you meant 👍
The magic combo is the Klon (or Klone) into or after literally anything, that pedal makes everything sound better in my experience.
Normal klon kills to much low end imho.
@@DasDhaza Not the MXR sugar drive...or EHX Soul Food..
@@camai75 The MXR sugar drive is awesome! One of my favorites.
@@DasDhaza you don't need low end when playing with a band. you want to be heard and the Klon gets you heard : )
8:20 rob looking for his tubescreamer on the floor oh wait-
Thanks for dropping that knowledge on me. Blues On....💙
Klon(e) into BlackBox will never leave my board. Except when I get on top of the KoT waiting list, by the end of 2050-ish.
Ok just what i was looking for again. Time to settle in for a good one. Got my pipe, mug, pedals, amp, a/b box n guitar. Thanx y'all
This episode should be called: "Randomly turning on and off pedals"
Sorry to see Rob is back :(
You guys are loved and adored! But…. I found myself screaming at my IPad watching this video, because pedal order is so important. You guy’s were so close to achieving pedal nirvana many times. 🤭🤣
Made me smile to hear you say "one ring to rule them all" before introducing the Metal Zone. I bought one back in the day and was able to cop a great imitation of the intro tone to "Sorrow" by Gilmour/Floyd, but I remember also being very frustrated with it, never seemed to rise above the mud. Will have to pull it out of storage and give it another listen.
Note that they use a Waza Metal Zone here using the Custom mode which is a very much improved version of the original Metal Zpne circuit. If you want Gilmour tones à Sorrow I would go for an EHX Green Russian Big Muff. It's cheap and totally awesome!
it seems their approach is 'the blind leading the blind' and they're not applying any logic as to why they're making certain choices.
an example, at 9:30, rob say's "thats the high end" from the rattler, they then move to the black box for the mids and lows.
if they were doing this in a parallel setting, that approach would be great. it's as if they're missing the point / not understanding how the shelving eq works.
in having the rattler set bright, "that's the high end" trying to boost bass from there is tricky.
you'd need a higher gain pedal that's got the desired rhythm eq curve, then add something that shelves bottom end and boosts mids for a boost. probably the rat or blues breaker, then kick on the ts or klon for the boost.
Well said, couldnt agree more!
Well i think you should do a channel. You clearly no more than rob and lee basee on this farce
I believe that was what they were going for. Just grab some pedals, hook them up in random configurations, then start pushing the knobs and turning the buttons. That is what Lee does.
Bryant Walley
It’s exactly what they do.
Sometimes it’s a bit insufferable. Hahah
What he said 😂😂
LOL Lee at his happiest when pushing the buttons, no metal zone.. Great video guys
This is actually a really interesting perspective. I think a good idea would be to use amp inspired pedals like the plexi, 5150, or friedman pedals and pair them with boost pedals like the ts9, ds1, ep....etc. See if it would be cheap good alternative for people who cant afford the amps.
Ahh...Chappers and The Captain together again! Roll the appropriate RnB song in your head and enjoy!
I've missed that coffee cup disappearing in a puff of smoke :O) Was it just me who thought the whole time that there was a strange low-mid almost cocked wah thing to the sound? Maybe the amp, maybe the Ibanez, but....?
I've been using an OCD clone into a Klon clone and have been pretty happy with them. I'm thinking of adding a compressor and/or clean boost to see what else I can coax out of them.
do you want Stormtroopers? I'm pretty sure that's how you get stormtroopers......
I always thought stacking more than two can get muddy , and I noticed when you gave the sound of the dry amp it sounded a little crunchy to my ears.
I do the same thing with a Boss SD-1 and an Arion MTE-1 Tubulator when I am playing a single coil guitar.
Fun video - need to take into account the sound of the guitar in a full mix, with the rest of the band.
Emphasise with you Cap, Metalzone on a blues players board? Wah!!! Missed the Dane out though. Klon into the Dane is a beautiful sound and it's got the boost too.
With a bunch of pedals in front of him, Lee is like hyperactive kid without his Ritalin. I found myself shouting "stop messing with the knobs for fuck's sake!"
layered gain with more volume than gain makes for a cleaner cut through crunch without being muddy
My fave OD is the Klazo Drive, from Greenchild Amplification. No other OD has ever sounded so beautiful to my ears, even my old fave - the old Boss OS2.
Lately I have been using my BOSS DS-1 black anniversary pedal with an added boost of my JOYO Vintage OverDrive and it sounds great. Like Chappers said, horses for courses.
Cue Sammy Davis Jr. “That is one heavy video man.”
"The Metal Zone sounds really good." -The Captain, 2020
I'll take "Things I Thought I'd Never Hear The Captain Say" for $1000, Alex.
808 into Klon into Metal Zone was golden!!
It's funny. RAT's have existed for decades now, and I just never bought one, until recently, and now it's instantly one of my favorite pedals. I've stacked it with a driven amp and it sounds great, I've run it into a clean channel and an SD-1 before it, and it sounds great. I also like it on its own too.
Is Rob using that Friedman JJ 100 amp behind him?
Yes sir \m/
@@RobChappers know thine amps. It's a JJ Junior geezer.
@@davidyates8880 I don't care if it's a JJ Junior or the JJ 100 amp. I'm just so happy that you guys use Jerry Cantrell's signature amp. If 'Sounds Like' return with a new episode, I would love to see a 'Sounds Like Alice In Chains By Busting The Bank' episode, so we can get to hear the amp in action again.
You guys seem to be digging the Tube Sreamer into the Black Box. My go to combination is a Wampler Euphoria into a Wampler Pantheon for a sustained lead tone, which are in the same ballpark.
Things can never be as they were.
How many Metal Zone’s did you just sell? Lmao
Some people run their Metal Zone through the FX loop. Running distortion and fuzz pedals through the FX loop create a different sound.
@@orlock20 literally everyone who has accessed the internet over the last year and has ever read the words metal and zone in any combination knows this by now dude.
but yeah the custom setting of the waza metal zone is quite good, it basically flattens the quite extreme EQ settings of the metal zone and makes it far easier to put in front of the amp. Its eq curve looks more like a DS-1, 2 or a HM-2, while the original metal zone was so over the top with its spikes that it basically only works as a preamp. Most preamps sound like ass if you run them into anything but a very neutral amp precisely because of the frequency overkill.
@@ithemba I think you're right that the Waza mods make that far more versatile than the 80s tone you normally associate with it.
However you run it, it's still extremely MEHtal ZZZone.
@@TheBigburcie I agree. The custom mode is very usable. More mids than the classic MZ.
In the last blindfold shootout Rob liked the Fender Pugilist. Try that one.
Ola Englund did a great video on the Metalzone, running it into the effects loop sounds incredible. Made me wanna get one. You guys should really try to do that some time to let the mighty MZ redeem itself.
Think it really depends on so many factors just like all music is subjective, but I personally enjoy my MT2 in front of my amp over the fx loop. The loop makes it muddy IMO
You should have tried a compressor like the UNIT67 into the other high end distortion pedals. Raising the gain/boost on the compressor increases the harmonics on the pedal that follows it REALLY well.
I realize now how little I've missed Chapman. It's like we've heard it all now, 25 licks played somewhat the same. He never surprises anymore.
Awful
agreed.
Random show idea: get Mr Steinhardt on and feature a discussion between him and Lee about their respective tastes in gear and why they seem to differ - no right answers of course, but this seems like a conversation that could illuminate many better questions for all of us. Or alternatively start a youtube war with TPS!
I enjoy Rob being back. Takes me back to the time when I discovered these videos for the first time about 3 years ago... Happy days 😊
So its "quot libet" ...
Thanks a lot for sharing these great little boxes of tone.
I only use one drive pedal ever? is that wrong?? am I in trouble?
Jack W Guitar Lessons Which one?
You seriously missed a trick not putting a fuzzface into the klon 😉
I read the thumbnail without the colon and saw "pedal stacking is more always better". Then I thought "yes".
I view my pedalboard like an artist's paint pallette - 3 shades of yellow, 4 shades of blue, etc.... no artist uses only one shade and they're always mixing colors. I often have three different OD pedals on at the same time, none of them turned up very much, but in the end the tone earns compliments. Its a sonic paintbrush and people's ears are the canvas.
Do your farts smell good as well?
The captain looked like a DJ when he was messing with the pedals
Lol! He always does. And he keeps talking, barely listens for nuance so it seems.
4:22 I love how the first thing he plays when going into the fuzz by itself was QUIET by Smashing pumpkins!!
I would like to see that Video idea with the captain in the guitar
In the 80's I wasn't aware that others may have been stacking gain pedals and my 'secret weapon' was a Tokia Overdrive into a Pearl Distortion and then into a CE2 and a Marshall Plexi. (Haha, Reverb and Delay wasn't in the budget at that stage).
More isn't always better, but it IS always more. Pretty sound demonstration of why Tube Screamer and EP Boost are classic pedals.
The best thing about this video, is that I just got all my drives out and had a lot of fun. Thanks Chappers and El Capitan
Today's lesson = Buy more boost pedals
I thought it was buy more Wah pedals.....
@@Clafrance1971 Wah you on about
was doing this last night and found a tube pedal into an overdrive hit the spot through the captor x, chewie juice man
dont forget the EP booster has dip switches inside for a colored gain boost or clean boost
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gotta be honest- just but my preference but I prefer the captain and Pete videos- bring back pete in the demo's please :)
agreed
What a perfect time to have a GigRig G2.
(Shameless plug for That Pedal Show, I know)
(Namedrop horn blast for Chris Buck)
So good to see the Looking Glass back. It’s my fav pedal to pair with others - bass cut and presence make it very versatile.
Andertons were the reason I got one!
Did anyone else hear Lee devolve into Mr. Bean in that brief outtake at the end?
Allways fun to see you play together
I love that SFM Ibanez .... mainly as it is the same model I own :) Also it is good that you are using a different guitar to the usual parade of Fender, Gibson or Chapman (less so, as you know the problem here ;) ) guitars for these vids
A missed opportunity the order of the stacking. EP boost > TS9 > Metal Zone vs Metal Zone > TS9 > EP boost. Very different results and understanding why that happens can help make better choices.
Maybe even try TS9 > Metal Zone > Ep Boost. That way you can get good rhythm then hit ts9 for nice tight boost. But for lead add in the EP Boost for a volume boost to your lead tone without compressing it all to smithereens.
I agree they should have tried reversing the pedal order. Putting the lower gain boost/OD pedals after the higher gain ones can result in less drastic gain stages than pushing a distortion pedal with an OD or boost, which can often get too fuzzy and lose clarity.
Always stack a plexi style ds pedal into a tube screamer style od into a clean boost. 3 dirt pedals is overkill
cheapest way to experiment with this is something like an HX Effects board - I run three overdrives and a compressor on mine - never could have afforded to discover the combination I'm digitally emulating.
Paddy Partington agreed. I am having trouble liking my HX stomps gain models. Great for modulation and time based, but just not happy with any of the gain. Not terrible, just not my thing.
Throughout the video Rob just wanted to dial more gain until he plays a note with Metalzone.
Truly a classic.
Happy to see rob at andertons :)
The metal zone can be made to sound very bad very easily but that doesn't mean it can only sould bad or is bad. But if you try, most folks can get any pedal to sound bad (and a surprising amount of those folks then go out and gig with it set like that).
Man that centura sounds great! *looks at price tag* Oh.
What if instead of EP booster and Ibanaz 808 use of Thorpy FX The Dane along with Boos metal zone....as Thorpy FX has the boost and saturated low gain tone both. It's an ideal....I think you will get the same result.
You guys trying to unload a bunch of Metal Zone pedals?
In my expreience boost pedals stack great with anything, fuzz never stacks well, two overdrives work if you have the right ones, and an overdrive with a distortion is good. I use a Keeley red dirt > Keeley filaments and JHS bonsai >JHS angry Charlie, those are my four drive pedals and I find those two combos work great.
Try putting a mid focused fuzz (Tone Bender, some Fuzz Faces) into a transparent overdrive. I'm just now experimenting with a Keeley Fuzz Head into a Walrus Mayflower and it sounds killer! Really smooth, Eric Johnson style drive sound
Adam Sköld interesting combination.
what song is rob playing at 27:10?
Rats into warm ODs can work, or as stated into a breaking up amp
No SnakeOil Pedal?
ah the beachball at 28:43, love it.
Stacking pedals is all about EQ and Gain Structure. #1) Stack any Mid-Humped OD into a Full-Range OD, FuzzFace, or Full Range Boost. #2) Run any Germanium Transistor OD/Fuzz into a Treble Booster or vice versa. #3) Run an EQ pedal before or after any type of OD, Fuzz, or Distortion. I always have a FuzzFace, then my Browne Amplification Protein, then an OCD, then a COT (the COT is an always on pedal btw).
19:50 - i can hear Glenn Fricker screaming from here
Nice to see Chappers back. I really enjoy his playing
Sarcasm?
@@darrenc8776 he is an awesome player. Period
@@metalpuppet5798 his wife still fights his corner. That's nice
@@darrenc8776 just look at the ratio of supporters and bullies and you know whats up. Hes a great musician.
@@metalpuppet5798 really. Stop 50 people in the street and ask if the know him
20:04 Translation : "WHERE THE HELL IS DAN?!"
Lee stop fiddling with the knobs! Lol