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Timestamps:
1:42 New Runes
3:20 Is Melee only BiS?
4:20 BM Build/Talents
6:53 BM Runes
7:26 BM Rotation
9:32 Survival Build/Talents
11:27 Survival Runes
13:55 Survival Rotation
14:48 What pet???
15:32 Outro
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For melee survival PvP runes, I'd advise to switch Carve for Chimera Shot.
I can't count how many times a good disarm on warriors, rogues or other melee classes saved my life, plus Carve barely puts any pressure when we already have RS on a 3s cd~
brain goes off
raptor strike goes on
rolling an orc instead of a troll is finally paying off
You're adding a lot of value rn by saving us all a bunch of time by doing the research on what top parsers are doing talent/rune/gear wise. It's much appreciated. Would love to see a build that's pretty much ideal for PvE but with a few minor adjustments for PvP. You already kinda did by saying add swiftness. Anything else?
Ty! Appreciate that. I raid in rock apes and although we’re at the high end of top 25 atm we want to be closer to top 10 or top 3.
This kinda stuff is what we have to do already but love to share that research and effort.
With that being said a guide is just my opinion! There’s always minor changes that ppl can make and be just as good if not better for how they play!
As far as changes I recommend it really just boils down to how you play!
Almost any talent is viable if you play to that strength!
Amazing video, quick question as melee hunter do we still prioritize agility over strength? and what about attack power over agility?
Str = 1 melee ap. Agi = 1 melee ap + critchance. 100% get as much agi as you can. Specially with lightning reflexes giving 15% increased agility
really good question! i hope this goes up to the top, AGI is still king in melee build, it does crit, plus 1 ap, while str just does 1 ap
@@blacktion891 str is 1.09 ap in melee btw. That’s 9% higher than you would expect. Check it out
1agi 1,2ap
Dont get it. If you use lone wold...why talk about pets.
well that's a small part of the video, one thing i mentioned is running aspect of the lion for the team, in that case you need to make a pet choice.
so yes you're right, but pets would be relevent in a different scenario that i also covered which is why then pets were covered.
I know Cats are king but I'm more of a Wolf person. Would using a wolf with maxed out Furious Howl work or is the dps loss not worth it?
*Pushes up glasses* - Actually, off hand weapon damage is halved, half damage + 50% is 75% of regular damage. with that said it could do 100% damage, i have no idea how the rune actually works.
You never know how they do math. Sometimes its additive and sometimes multiplicative.
One handlers are reduced to 76% on main hand. while off hand is 51% so the extra 50 puts it at 76% because it round up.
I play lone wolf survival, I prefer to not have to manage my pet for once. First raid I was top dps in almost every fight, but when it came to parses they were super garbo. (top dps by like 15% but parsed a 25) Looking to improve those numbers, even if it means pushing way ahead of the rest of the raid in numbers. That also means there are a LOT of melee hunters parsing atm, no shocker there.
Raptor strike is our primary source of damage, the more we can use it the higher our numbers will be. We need a reliable sim to see the difference between survival lone wolf and BM pet specs. Current top parser for melee in the logs does NOT use a pet, so lets figure out the minor details and zug zug.
50% experience is up to lvl 25. Maybe a wolf would be a good pet for melee hunter has it buffs melee damage with howl. They can’t learn claw but they have bite so their dps might be lower for the BM spec 😊
Howl is pretty bad in SoD it’s true dmg so it’s added after multipliers while other abilities are done before and therefore do so much more.
I've melee'd next to my bear for for years when it wasn't considered a viable spec. Now it's fun to do.
No it's not. I hope it gets weakened, if I wanted to play melee I would play rogue or warrior.
good news there's still lots of shooting in a hunters tree. Instead of always ranged attacks hunter's can expand an old game in a new way.
Or just go BM and delete enemies from afar as normal. Options is a good thing, not bad.
@@AcidGubba So as a hunter you are asking to be nerfed to give warriors and rogues the melee choice they've always had?
@@AcidGubba If you don't want to explore new ways of doing old things there's always Classic Wrath. SoD isn't for everyone. Some folks dislike the "new" , in favor of maintaining the old ways of wow gaming.
@@AcidGubba Every warrior and rogue knows you have to engage hunter's at point blank range to eliminate their capability in battle.
Now hunters have the option for toe to toe melee with melee'rs and not lose advantage.
Melee attacks are just another tool in the hunter's toolbox. It's only a single season. Live a little. Or decline the use of a new tool to play hunters with.
Leveled 5 to 25, hunter being last. Idk if it's because it's fresh on my mind or what (took last two weeks off) but decided to push the hunter to 40 first. Been trying the melee thing the whole time and am loving it. Never really played hunter as a main (some twinks back in the day)
lol that troll hunter dancing crack me up, 100x better than those videos with ppl jumping all over the place :D
lol appreciate it
What weapon speed do we focus on? Haven’t found anything in that yet. Great video.
How does aspect of the hawk talen tfit in this if you are going to be mostly in melee? Isnt it worth it more to just get the increased health on the pet then?
Well in PvE pets have Have Avoidance and really should never die unless directly targeted which shouldn’t happen in PvE therefore imp Hawk would be useful because you will do ranged abilities even as a melee hunter
With that being said bis comes down to DPS and assumes best case scenario if you feel like having more health would help your personal play style then you do not have to follow that part ofc!
Ur game ur choice just offering one hunters opinion :)
@@LilNaturez for sure! I’m really happy with your vid and view.
Gonna try both tho.
Great video
You will have to use viper. Otherwise you will have mana issue after 15 seconds in combat
@@tokopaaisen2927 well yes, but not at the start. You will deal 10% less dmg.. you can weave in viper when you get low on mana. Don’t use it the whole fight
@@22alexmol well i think should use hawk to start the combat, as it give more pet dmg. I mean you normally don’t get hit that often anyways
50% xp buff isnt to level 40. Only up to 25
honestly the "range weave" part isnt worth, only auto-shots which are basically off the GCD and free
Lion should be a book
yessir
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Why put points in [Improved Aspect of the Hawk] if you gonna go melee hunter? Also why choose a 2.0 speed atk cat when you can get a 2.5 speed bear?
Great video my man
never understand why people waste point on making wing clip immobilize when the slow is more than enough.
The clip with lone wolf & crits left me speechless 😂
Do you think a melee variant without dual wield spec and trap launcher in the leg slot instead could be viable in PvE? In PvP I prefer it and i just love the trap launcher rune. Even if you lose some melee dmg you get 2 explosive traps in 30s vs just 1 if using feign death everytime.
100% my trap launcher rune is bugged so i cannot loot it for some reason lol, otherwise i would've included
- basically you prio traps after FS , RS and Carve
@@Naturetvzdid you delete your cache folder? That fixed it for me
i had a couple of people in the guild tell me this haven't tried it yet but will cerrtainly try before i raid tomorrow. @@Mcelwee22
@@Naturetvz Turning on autoloot ingame fixed it for me
@@NaturetvzI had to reset my cache and it worked. Also I've been running the Ravager with melee specialist and Trap Launcher runes for big Aoe damage in a large pack I was doing 520 damage per second. It felt pretty damn good. I am running survival for the increase raptor crit and trap damage.
finally meleeing mobs doesn't make me look stupid
They need to reduce the range lockout on ranged hunter abilities. Not remove like retail but make it a step or two to weave better and it won't make them op for pvp or pve.
hunters are hard, i wouldn't want to be blizzard, they are ranged so if they do even dmg they can basically avoid mechanics more and start combat easier so they overtake. But if they make them less powerful to compensate they really just lose lol
That would be op
Does the dmg increase from lone wolf actually make up for the fact that you're losing the flanking strike dmg that your pet would do?
yessir. leg rune is pretty lackluster
Nice - and how much hit do you think we need for Gnomer? @@Naturetvz
well this isn't classic - it's unclear if we can hit hitcap etc, bosses are 2 lvls above us also instead of 3, which is a massive change.
Best we know atm is the sixtyupgrades stat weighting which is pretty unanimous amongst hunters atm. Noboddy else has come up with a valid argument agaisnt it.
hit is basically eqiuivalent to 22 Attack power while agilitiy is equivalent to 2.8@@sniperdps
Do you have a link to that sixyupgrades pre-bis set?@@Naturetvz
Where you getting 50% Xp boost to 40 from? Isnt it to Level 25
@Naturetvz Hi, can you share your weak auras please for your melee hunter?
what weapons should i aim for as pre-raid bis?
do u have a pre bis build itemization for melee?
are you gonna break down a range hunter like bm/mm
yeah absolutely, melee is just that unexpected flavor of the day, so i covered that first. MM/BM non melee coming soon!
Wouldn't hunters beong melee make them scale with gear better?
yes and no, part of scaling is crit and hunters still have 53 agi to crit. however that may work differently with melee so we could just basically be a rogue? lol these are new questions but great to ask and figure out for sure.
which one is better bm or survival. In dps
Survival but it's a scratch off ticket
How much of a dps loss is lion that you wouldnt want to give your whole raid 10% stats?
you want to give your raid lion at all costs! it's not a big loss if you're the only hunter. it's only a issue if you have multiple hunters or kings, therefore lone wolf would rain supreme
it’s sick and i’m hype to play it but man the SoD dev team are so bad at balancing. We are all pretty much at the mercy of what runes are performing best.
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is 1.2 cat still great for the pvp survival talents? or is it still 2.0 for pvp too
Thing is, the slower the attack speed the harder Flanking Strikes will hit. It would need some tests to see if annoying casters is more important than hitting them harder with FT.
Hi, can you share your weak auras please?
Im doing first lockout tonight, me and fellow hunter both have pre raid bis for melee, 1 shouod go bm+ kings and the other survival+lonewolf? Or is it too early in gear phase and both go BM-melee
how did it go?
@@cheapcyborg4866 5/6 in 3 hours. 1 shot crowd, and grubby, 3 shot rest. Final boss we only got 5 pulls before losing healers so we called it, we got to final phase last 3 pulls but we were lacking some consumes. Never went backwards in progression he would have died in another 3-4 pulls. Hunter dps/utility of taunt and BM ability to go melee or range is super strong
@@cheapcyborg4866 our raid lead and main tank missed raid due to RL so im pretty happy considering we had 1st time(temporarily me) do most of raid lead/shot call
how dose raptor strike dmg calculated? With melee+dw rune, and wsg sword+ outlaw saber, rs crits for 380 at lvl 32. But same rune, corpsemaker rs crits for 480-580. The maths didn’t go up, as the total weapon dmg for duel swords is almost the same as corpsemaker???
How are you hitting so low, i bought green lvl 32 axes and im getting up to 1k crits
Are you using the dual wielding rune? Because it gives you a ton more damage per RS
@@ripedroxx yeah dw rune. Not sure how you can get 1k crits. That is why I want to know how dmg of rs is calculated
Thanks for guide
thank you! appreciate the comment
Ty!
WHat macros do you use?
is there a new raptor strike + flanking strike macro in a single button? The last one I had seems to no longer work
Still works for me
@@micheall mind linking yours? The one I have doesn't seem to be working
50% exp buff from 1-25 not to 40
you dont think trap launcher is better than duel wielding rune for pvp? 30% dmg and longer frost traps with clever traps talent seem pretty good for pvp
Trap launcher is great for those who play the more ranged/traditional route.
The melee and dual wield spec runes are there for people who want to be able to deal damage close range as well.
@@sveng35 well, I’m on the fence with this one. Two traps allowed to be placed in combat is too good to pass out. It would render feign death useless
can you make a bis list for melee hunter
I will 100% - I always lag on these, they take a really really long time to make lol i'll do basically when there's nothing else for me to do
How is 20% more agility a DPS loss again? Please do explain.
Because u can do more dmg with lone wolf rune if are surv
I am good with everything except the slow pet. I totally get 2.0 pet makes it hit HARDER. Though it still has a 30 second CD default. So in that 30 seconds a 1.0-1.3 cat would do ALOT more dps than a 2.0 pet. I cannot get my head around making 1 strike harder for a single attack. All those attacks in 30 seconds each can crit and easily out do the flanking strikes over all dmg/dps.
In short, because pet damage is normalised, a 1.0 pet does the same dps as a 2.0.
@@maggen94It isn't normalized in classic. That is 1.9 patch.
@@JeremiahCommons My guess would be the more frequent resets now with the Raptor Strike change but who knows.
1.0 1.3 cat do less dmg per hit.
1.2 cat has more chance to crit. More strikes = more crits
No it's not. I hope it gets weakened, if I wanted to play melee I would play rogue or warrior.
can i do this as dwarf lol
what about weapon speed? what do we need main and offhand?
Both as Slow as posible
can u explain?@@duderustyryan
@@pelzumhang you will make use of raptor strike which deals dmg with both weapons. weapon damage will then define how mcuh dmg raptor strike does and often slow weapon's dmg is higher than faster weapons
After starsurge nerf, think I will lvl my hunter and go melee now. Fucking blizzard
yeah it was normal to oneshoting people right? people complaining about nothing its awesome, your 2iQ class, you have only instant spell... and you still complaining kEKW dont go hunter, it willb e to hard for you trust me, hunter is not moonkin spam 1 2 3 )
Melee specialist, requires Mage. Wot?😅
What weapons, slow?
Slow is better I believe because raptor attacks with both weapons instantly.
Hunter discord says Raptor is prioritized over flanking
Hunter discord is often so clueless. Why would it be flanking behind raptor? Makes zero sense cause raptor resets flanking cd. What is their bullshit reason ?
Flanking strike increases raptor strike damage..... flanking is prio to fet the buff up. IF THE BUFF IS UP THEN RAPTOR
Flanking is priority over raptor unless you are capped on flanking stacks and it has time up. Then I would spam raptor and before flanking falls off I would refresh it.
this melee bullshit is really annoying and has nothing to do with a hunter in wow.
listen, this was literally me a week ago, i encourage you to try it! if it's not for you ranged still really good though!
It takes some skills to make a video THIS long, with so little to say! :!
31 sv lonewolf carve sims best
hey where did you see this info or can u link the current sims
tell your WD boiz chopchop im in there discord u can DM me as well.
@@Naturetvz was in hunter disc I'll dm u the screenshot
Oh yeah give Hunter passive lion at all times, because they are not imbalanced enough as it is 😂
video was great aside from the part where you were bitching about heart of the lion. had to drop a dislike just for that
if u want to melee, there's other better class than hunter. hunter always stay as hunter, you range.
Season of Discovery phase 1 was fun. Phase 2, so far, not so much. The overcrowding is just too much to deal with right now. Trying to quest is an absolute nightmare. I have played since the second or third week of WoW's release and have never seen it this bad. This is the first time in WoW's history that I have went to quest and seen ZERO mobs to kill, I literally mean ZERO mobs. So many people everywhere that you go, it's out of hand. You simply cannot quest. Sure, if you want to dungeon grind to level, but even that get's old real fast as you do not get to experience the phase 2 world as intended. If they do not add new servers, or seriously crack down on, what I call, "super-farmers", then SoD will go the way of retail and just fall off the mmo map. I post this so that if folks are experiencing the same bad things that I am, maybe we can all start speaking out until they add more servers.
I have seen this since vanilla release and other classic. You just have to get ahead of the pack or dungeon spam or wait 3 weeks
Cracking down on super farmers? U wot mate? Disconnect players who get tags on raptors in stv?
To be fair this has always been an issue even way back in vanilla specially later on when places is neutral/pvp specially in popular place like the infamous STV in this phase where both Horde and Alliance are questing. Some other places are relative questable even this early. It is a bit of a double edged sword it can be frustrating but I rather have it like this than a dead game. If you have a hard time farming mobs for a quest you have a better chance if you find other people which are on the same quest and make a group like the game was intented.
Why is blizz turning ranged only class into phase 1 feral. Way to scrap 95% of your ability and ALL of your cds. This is shameful
When you say "all cds" do you mean rapid fire?
Because not that many choices on ranged weapons
nerf hunters
Nerd
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They are fucked Bro. Worst dps atm and seems not getting better with gear....
@@Darkkillaz090507 yeah the gear is more stack towards ench shamens especially with the scarlet blue set no mail sets for the hunter till 50 with beast master set
I topped dps as melee hunter in gnomer last night so they are not bad at all