Sports are sports, esports are esports. I don’t think they can be compared 1:1 not all video games can be an esport. I think esports are much more in line with golf, chess, pool, poker, etc. These are all activities that require immense practice, time, skill, and all of these can be played casually or competitively. I’d rather have esports be their own category that stands next to sports. It is earning its right to be taken seriously and I don’t think it should be watered down with comparisons to outside factors. I’ll end with this idea as an example: playing CS with a 5 man of friends is not an esport. But mastering the team element and becoming not only great individually but as a unit on the big stage is a far greater feat.
I don't care what label you put on "esports". I watch hockey because I like hockey. I watch cs:go because I like cs:go. I don't need someone else's label to justify my hobbies/interests
I just simply see esports as being a professional gamer. I don't think the act of playing games professionally makes it a sport. Plus there's too many variables involved in gaming.
eSports has: Media Viewership based revenue Entertainment Mastery of Skill Prize pools Tournaments Championships Rankings Player stats The only difference between "sports" and eSports remains that eSports are more dynamic. Eg: you can change the meta for CS by updating the price of a gun but you can't change how a checkmate works out in chess. No other difference.
you are so wrong mate esports is a real sports its a reconized one to and also proven by SCIENCE your just ignorant behind your time and biased and full of shit
@@tankofficial5637it really isn’t. Esports aren’t real sports. Sitting in a chair and clicking away on a keyboard is not the same as training your mind and body vigorously to run faster, lift harder, throw and catch a ball with near 100% success rate, better than the other competitors throughout the country/world.
Sports is sports. Esports is esports. They are both very competitive and both deserve their own category. I believe both deserve the same popularity too. Both are very impressive.
We as a gaming community should not want to esports to be considered real “sport”. We created our own scene so we shouldn’t be begging for traditional media to like us. For example all of these traditional sports are losing viewers because they have gotten boring. Most people don’t even watch tv. Also everyone knows the teams with the most money are usually the ones that win. It gets boring, we shouldn’t care that traditional media doesn’t want us to to be named as a sport we shouldn’t beg them for attention. We are a community that was created from the internet while the traditional media still make fun of esports they don’t see that we are thriving. So we should stop trying to beg them for attention.
Cruzaii 1.) NFL or college football will forever rule the sports world so get that straight. 2.) there are salary caps involved to avoid the teams with the most money winning everything 3.) y’all ain’t thriving. Once we as current teenagers and semi-adults grow up and get real jobs there isn’t gonna be time for video games anymore. Sorry, it’s the truth
@@art-sw1de OK first things first.. read my message really carefully before you embarrass yourself.. 1) i never said esports will dethrone traditional sports so you are already wrong about that. 2) ok i give you the salary cap argument(which more teams with influence and money can get any player aka patriots for example ). 3) compared to most of traditional sports esports have the biggest prize pools, viewership, and sponsors. NFL actualy went out and got streamers like timthetatman to stream their games since no one watches tv. and you say gaming isnt a real job? what about streamers, you tubers , and pro players. GAMING is a real job now and there is always time to game you are just not using most of your brain that can comprehend how big gaming is. you say that as adults there wont be any time to game but there is time to watch sports for 3 hours ?? wow we should all just stop gaming and watch any sport that NOTHING changes and have a chance to kill each other or severely injure themselves now inst that fun!
Cruzaii The patriots don’t get any big name players. You said aka the patriots when saying they have the most influence and money so they get the best players but they literally don’t get any big names so that point is completely wrong on your part. Next, my point about gaming is as I have grown up I play video games less because I have things to do. I’m 18, I’m in school and I already have things going on, but when I was doing school and work at the same time I literally had no time to play video games. My point being as we grow up and actually gain responsibility and realize what’s important the less and less for MOST people find video games important. Yes I understand there’s a small portion of gamers who make it their job but for 95% of gamers it’s not a job and we focus on other things as we get older.
art dude I’m 23 I go to college full time and I work and I still have time to game. you play less games because it’s by choice. Second after looking into the patriots you are right I gave a really bad example the one I should’ve used was Real Madrid a few years back. But still you missed my entire comment was that I don’t think we should strive to be a traditional sport that we should have our own thing
Cruzaii video games are very fun and have now turned into a social platform for me. I still love playing with my friends. I would agree that they shouldn’t copy actual sports and they should do their own thing to maximize their potential
incorrect VERY incorrect and science even says esports is a real sports your just behind your time ignorant and biased and full of shit just like most washed boomers
You can consider a scooter a transportation tool but not a car.it's like if you're saying that golf uses a ball, so that makes it like football.same thing for esports.
traditional sports & esports what they have in common: involve strategy - Has Coaches Hand-Eye Coordination Has Spectators Big Prize Pools (depending on the game/sport) Has Sponsors Mental Toughness Anyone can play but hard to master
There was a time where rock musicians thought hip hop wasn't "real" music and were just as dismissive. Live long enough and esports will take over "real" sports. All the risks potential injuries, decline of television viewership and general disinterest from the youth it's only a matter of time.
Decline viewership? European football is the most improving sport of all even esports, when it comes to viewers, money and attendance. Cool you like gaming, but taking over traditional sport is kinda biased to say, UFC and europaen football is stronger than ever. ;D
Trying to compare esports to sports is like trying to convince the world that a pear is an apple when really it's a pear trying to be a pear. Let the pear be a pear and the apple be an apple.
To any athlete it is almost disrespectful to compare an esport player to them, not to say the skill isnt required for either, but normal sports take a different type of conditioning, practice, and overall physical dedication . Where as esports takes same or even more practice BUT its not as physically tasking . In all it seems stupid to compare
idiot famous atheletes like rick fox even reconize esports as a real sports your just behind your time ignorant and biased and full of shit just like all the other washed boomers
Esports take the same realm as sport as in how scenes tournaments salaries and success is based but the main difference is physical exertion. Yes a player is going to be tired after a BO5 on LAN or whatever. But it's more if a mental drain it doesnt have to do with putting the body in the line. Sports are defined by the exercise or physicality of an activity. If you take the aspect of physicality away from things being a sport then things like performing arts become a sport. Esports are their own thing and while I do believe they cater to the same audiences and can fill the same role in entertainment they arent interchangeable.
"Esports" is just a marketing brand for video games companies to increase game sales by introducing competition for the games. There is a definition of what sport is and video games are not. Poker also requires huge skill (mathematics, psychology), has vast competition and money rewards. But it is a game not a sport. I will not call "ahtlete" a kid sitting 10 hours a day in front of a computer eating pizza. The term "esports" is just marketing
thats incorrect esports is a reconized real sports also proven by science your just behind your time ignorant and biased and full of shit just like washed boomers
@@tankofficial5637 Your comment "ignorant and biased and full of shit" is indeed very scientific. You have absolutely no idea what sport is. How can you have one if you have never done any sports in your life, just sitting in front of a screen. Thanks for proving my point once again.
@@alexathanatos3014 yep behind your time and ignorance like always..but again your from those days of fax machines who chose to be ignorance the worst type of blindness in the world....even my school teacher next to me aggrees....anyways esports is proven to be a real sports by science and is officialy a reconized sports even proven too be HARDER then most traditional sports...but ay no point in argueing with washed boomers who are ignornt and blind to understand
I think anything that can have crowds of people supporting teams competing could be considered a sport. The lines are only gonna be more blurred when vr and motion controls become more mainstream
There is no way Esport should be associated with actual sports. It's not real, you don't have any physical consequences for your actions. It is a skill, but it's 99% mental.
I disagree with this. Many esports pros suffer from physical consequences such as carpel tunnel syndrome, eye strain issues, and arm and back pain. Thats why many pro teams now have physiologists to help the players. its more like 60 - 40 from mental to physical percentage. Theres a reason only very few become pro gamers
Literary Shit Not really, Racing and even Billiards are considered a sport and they dont really require a lot of physical exertion and in some countrys Esports are already considered a real sport
@@junux7465 The definition of sport is "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment." just because some things are considered a sport by some doesn't mean it is and racing is arguable if it has physical exertion or not depending on which it is.
Konstantin Savin you need physical extortion for anything to be considered a sport. Chess is 100% mental, 0% physical. Doing math is 100% mental, 0% physical. Math isn’t a sport and neither is chess
How about wind, sunshine, drops of sweat on the ground that you might slip on etc.. These factors are kind of RNG in traditional sports (you cannot control them).
Funny how most of the real athletes agree that it is a sport because they know the real aspects of sport is played through the mind. Funny how media analysts and highschool was my gloryday jocks are the ones who critically debate against it.
Some people practice 10 hours a day. Playing all day can seriously hurt and permanently damage your body over time. Blindness from eye strain Arthritis Major back problems (over time) Etc. So I think people just say it's not a sport because they aren't usto it yet. Its still a newer thing, but if NASCAR is a sport so is E sports.
Blindness from eye strain!!! ;D Major back problems! ;D omg so a pro gamer got the same injuries as a child or an old senior. well yea let's support it then.
I see eSports being in the same category as Chess. It takes a lot of skill to win, but there isnt really much physical movement. Obviously gaming has more movement than chess but not enough to compare to basketball for example
Chess is considered an Olympic sport. And with all do respect, i believe that gaming on the pro level is just like playing chess. Quick thinking and strategy development are key in any sport, esports is no different.
@@lucky0h732 reaction time? you haven't played dota have you? it involves alot of math. does snooker players need to break a sweat? and your argument with the IQ levels is invalid, how sure are you that those players in esports doesnt have a 160 IQ or higher?
@@vashSJ 99% of them dropped out, and also doing basic math is not that hard tell me what type of math im just saying statistics people are always saying oh 300 iq play or whatever, but games are just one thing the one thing is getting used to the game anyone can go pro
@@lucky0h732 there you go dropping stats with no basis again. what made you say 99% of them dropped out? whats your source? i can say the same with any other sports "oh, just get used to your sport and you can go pro". and even if they are drop-outs, what made you say they dont have a high IQs? isnt Einstein a drop-out? oh right he is.
Transparent Eclipse you actually exert some physical force when playing a real sport. Video games is just moving your fingers from a physical standpoint. Is scrolling through Instagram a sport? No
VanV the difference is scrolling through Instagram takes no focus, skill, dedication, nothing, it’s literally the most brainless activity u can do on a mobile device, and anyone can do it. And there’s no such thing as being good at scrolling through Instagram. There is however such thing as being good at a video game. I understand why u would think physical exertion is required in a sport, but it isn’t. U are going by the literal definition of sport, when I don’t think that definition applies. I think all something takes to qualify as a sport is a competition between two people or teams involving skill, talent, and dedication to the game, in which they compete for some prize or advancement for others entertainment. Bc as there are such things as physical sports, such as football, basketball, etc, I consider there to be such things as mental sports as well, such as video games, chess, etc. If u choose not to consider mental sports as sports, fine, it has no impact on me, but I do as the only difference between the two is the physicality.
@@philippemane2001 Racing is still a skill based sport. Being fit is not an absolute necessity, there are people who can race without a problem by doing the same amount of fitness as a csgo player.
MetallicRain In esports you can be at the top without being really fit. Not like racing where the top racers are under great heat in their cars so they really dehydrated. But it is true that some types of racing doesn't required like drag races but they don't bring the kind of money esport brings. So i think a fair comparaison is formula e which is a growing champions like esports and you absulotely need to be in shape or you will slow the car enough to be in the back of the greed
As a pro nerd who is playing games since I was 5, now am 23 I say hell no it's not, lookup the meaning of the word sport and athlete, esports is esports am sure u can see the e it's not there by accident
I don’t know that I’d go so far as to say esports are sports in the same way that say football is a sport, but they do require a lot of the same skills as traditional sports do, just not as much of the physicality. I used to see the same debate as to whether auto racing should be considered a sport since a lot of people just see it as someone sitting in a seat and driving around in circles (or any type of course) for however many laps, and don’t think of how much those drivers are having to focus on their surroundings and constantly think of when they need to try to pass or when it’s best to hang back a little, and all the other factors they have to pay attention to. I think the same can be said about esports, yeah they may not be up running around, but they’re constantly thinking of what they should do next. Not to mention the time and skill it takes to get to the level to be able to compete with top pros, much like it takes for athletes to be able to compete at the top of their sport. I just want esports to be respected as much as traditional sports even if they’re not thought of the same. Like I don’t want it to be thought of as dumb that they’re showing an Overwatch match on ESPN. And how cool would it be for the pros in these games with International Championships like LoL, Dota, etc who are representing their nations to be praised by mainstream media as much as the Olympic athletes doing the same? Sorry for the novel lol
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Yes Esports is a sport. It's not a physical sport but it is a sport you know it's a mental sport because you're playing it in the digital space. That's why the team I used to follow optic had a gym sponsor and the team would hit the gym so that way their physical attributes balanced out the mental attributes
I wouldn't consider it a sport by it's very definition. But that doesn't mean you dont have to put an extensive amount of time and have incredible skills for it..I dont get it..nobody fights over if chess is a sport( maybe they do) but by its definition you need to have physical exertion
Mastering eye-to-hand coordination is a broadly underrated skill that comes with being a pro on any game. Therefore there is indeed some physicality involved.
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Reminds me of the debate about whether or not powerlifting counts as a sport. It is almost like the complete opposite of cs:go as a sport in that it is all physical but almost no mental. Power lifting doesn't require reaction time at all and it is skillish but not particularly as the movements are very simple. However on the physical side it is at like 100 percent yet still some say it is not a sport. Obviously its just words are categories are limited. My honest opinion is that a sport needs to be full body and in real 3D space so no esports are more like a game like pool or darts but IMO way better. One thing that annoys me is when people call Poker a sport that is just ridiculous since coordination and reaction time NOT factors what so ever.
I'm like half and half with it I can see skips point coming from playing sports. But if you also think about it Poker is technically a sport its always on Fox or ESPN and they dont use any physical activity other than mind.
True I dont disagree at times I cringe when they consider gaming a sport or pros "athletes" just considering all factors. I guess I'm fine with it being an "e-sport" but not a sport.
If playing video games is a sport then basically everything is a sport. Reality tv is a sport because it’s entertaining and a lot of times they have competitions. Got it.
Bowling, Darts, Pool all skill games not defined as sports. Pure technique, knowledge, mental skill, execution. Those are all games just like video games. Competitive at the highest level but a Game of Skill is not a Sport. Person Vs Person in a Physical Game = Sport
definition of sport, an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment. Does esports involve physical exertion? yes all pros are fit, someone 400 lbs would never set records in something like bhop or rhythm games. it's even possible to get injuries like rsi. Does it involve skill? Obviously yes, far more then any physical sport. a mind game such as chess is so unfathomable that they lose weight in a day by thought alone.
If you define "sports" as requiring full-body athleticism, you just told every para athlete missing a limb that they're not really "athletes". Or that any sport that focuses on one or limited body parts (arm wrestling), is also not a sport.
If someone says poker is a sport tgey should consider esports as a sport. Likewise as poker isnt a sport esports isnt a sport.Imo i think esports isnt a sport as i dont think snooker ans poker should be considered as sports
@@lucky0h732 I think the "difference" you listed is only an issue of context. Normal Chess meetup sessions can be really chill as well, as for video games, I'm literally trembling after I win a 1v2 clutch in Apex and I can't imagine how much more nervous I will be if I am doing it at a LAN event. My point is, competition in video games has as much legitimacy as both sports and other games such as poker and chess, it not being a sports doesn't reduce it's legitimacy. There is no need for any pressure for video games to be viewed as a sport since video games is its seperate category
@@lucky0h732 in addition, the line between traditional games and video games are kinda blurry. Say, if you go online to play chess, does it count as a video game? If the rules are modified (such as 5d chess, a variant of chess), how much will the rules have to be modified in order for it to not count as a traditional game but a video game? My point is that in terms of games/ competitions, video games is not a seperate category, it is just a medium/vehicle that the game exist on
@@Shivvorz Im talking about chess tournaments i think if your doing sports casually and not doing a real sport i think your wasting your life if your doing sports competitively then fine that's good your doing something as long as your benefiting of it then good but don't game for no reason
Sports is defind as "An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which and individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment" By definition I wouldn't consider it a sport. It has sport like qualities but I wouldn't define it as such. Sports & Esports are competitions but that doesn't make Esports a sport though.
your incorrect there comrade.. esports is proven to be harder then real sports and is also reconized as a real sports also most famous atheletes (who are not ignorant biased and behind there time like you and other washed boomers) say its a real sports bc sports is threw the mind also esports has physical activities too
@@tankofficial5637 Difficulty has no bearing on what it’s considered as, & they are incomparable. Just because they are both competitive doesn’t make them the same. And no esports are not “physical”. Im sorry but you don’t run out of breath playing esports.
@@iouturtle man your so ignorant.. but guess those days from fax machines is somthing your too used too ig...yu know right that even famous atheletes for example rick fox even says esports is a real sports....and esports is proven by science to be a real sports and is a reconized one too....second of all you do get out of breath in esports competitions.....your heart gets to 160 to 180 bpm size of a marathon and you loose more then 200 callorries in 1 hr of competion and and stress hormones equilevent to a race car driver......and esports uses multiple parts of the brain at once .....very FEW sports can compare too...nor too the trash and harsh realities of extreme mental practice of bieng a pro esports players
They aren't fucking sports, but that doesn't make them any less entertaining or skillful. I wouldn't count chess either or anything like that. Those games can't be sports since everybody from a skinny guy to chonk has the same advantage and they don't train their bodies, they train their minds predominantly.
There is nothing athletic about playing a video game. That is like saying chess is a sport. It is mind and thumbs. Not a sport. No risk of injury. No movement of the body. No need to be in shape. No need to have good cardio. No need to be athletic in any way. It is not a sport. Just because it has a cash prize doesn't mean it is a sport.
I disagree with this. Many esports pros suffer from physical consequences such as carpel tunnel syndrome, eye strain issues, and arm and back pain. Thats why many pro teams now have physiologists to help the players. its more like 60 - 40 from mental to physical percentage. Theres a reason only very few become pro gamers . Many pro teams are also making physical exercise a requirement for their players, and most players say they play better when they are exercising and eating healthy. And aiming in a fps game is movement of the body. Very precise and quick movement of the body.
The fact one of the guys explains that sports are full body movement while there are a lot of other activities recognised as sports that require maybe only upper body movement kind of makes his point irrelevant. Not to mention there is a specific reason we call it e-sport instead of sport. Regardless once those old geezers will be replaced with new generation people this whole debate will turn a 180 towards esport being sports.
My main issue is that they still do not understand what an e sport is. Just because a game has million dollar tournaments doesnt make it an e sport, fornite isnt an e sport simply cuz the game wasnt designed to be it, its unbalanced and unfair, but fun LoL, Rainbow Six Siege, CSGO, Rocket League, etc, those are e sports
Esports are Esports, they are legitimate and they dont need to be called "sport" to be validated. Esport makes more money than most sport, it is more popular and accessible. The two are totally valid and enjoyable in their own right.
We created esports and esports is thriving right now. Why do we need recognition from someone who doesn't want to research or give a damn about esports. We don't need esports in Olympics, cause we're bigger than the olympics. Esports isn't a sports? Yah, esports isn't a sports because it is esports, we don't need to be a sports. We are the biggest entertainment sector in the globe. Why does people want other peoples consent who doesn't care about the multi billion dollar industry that we "gamers" created. The F ing dictionary doesn't know what esports is and it still has red underline. Esports isn't a sports. Nobody cares. It's esports. It doesn't need to be a sports. It's gonna take the entire "traditional sports" market soon and then talk to them on how they feel about esports.
Well true but chess has respect culture because it's been here for over 1,000 years so it developed a great reputation And plus you literaly have to see 10 moves away and trick your opponent and chess players actually have like 160 iq but gaming is less intense
Suprised they never bring up the competitive aspect of esports. And the fact people on professional esports orgs are usually top of the ladder year after year. I think when older people hear professional gamer they dont know that there are esports tittles. And that there are pro's for a spacific game that lasts for years like league of legends or smash.
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Sports are sports, esports are esports. I don’t think they can be compared 1:1 not all video games can be an esport.
I think esports are much more in line with golf, chess, pool, poker, etc.
These are all activities that require immense practice, time, skill, and all of these can be played casually or competitively.
I’d rather have esports be their own category that stands next to sports. It is earning its right to be taken seriously and I don’t think it should be watered down with comparisons to outside factors.
I’ll end with this idea as an example: playing CS with a 5 man of friends is not an esport. But mastering the team element and becoming not only great individually but as a unit on the big stage is a far greater feat.
Aj leonard very well said, I agree.
This. Although golf is still a sport.
I don't care what label you put on "esports". I watch hockey because I like hockey. I watch cs:go because I like cs:go. I don't need someone else's label to justify my hobbies/interests
I just simply see esports as being a professional gamer. I don't think the act of playing games professionally makes it a sport. Plus there's too many variables involved in gaming.
Chess is a sport. Lol.
eSports has:
Media
Viewership based revenue
Entertainment
Mastery of Skill
Prize pools
Tournaments
Championships
Rankings
Player stats
The only difference between "sports" and eSports remains that eSports are more dynamic. Eg: you can change the meta for CS by updating the price of a gun but you can't change how a checkmate works out in chess.
No other difference.
lol esports isnt a sport nerd
The only difference is Proffesional sports are all fixed, and esport aren't yet.
@@merkurii3877 Ok boomer
@@newbutthunt oooo edgy
Sports are changing all the time too ex: the use of a QB and different schemes and such
"moving a keyboard" lol
"Skip Bayless" and "Talent" do not belong in the same sentence.
Schmidty he’s an award winning journalist before the tv personality
@@Ninjersey1 Elites giving each other awards and sniffing each others asses in the 70s and 80s means he is soooo good! Give me a break.
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Esports are esports not a sport, it's literally in the name (e)sport, and sport. Esport is it's own thing and doesn't have to classify under "sports".
you are so wrong mate esports is a real sports its a reconized one to and also proven by SCIENCE your just ignorant behind your time and biased and full of shit
@@tankofficial5637 lol. You obviously have never played a real sport
Id say Esports is the perfect name for it. Its ElectronicSports.
Its not a physical sport. But the E changes the entire category.
Imo
incorrect esports is proven to be areal sports
@@tankofficial5637it really isn’t. Esports aren’t real sports. Sitting in a chair and clicking away on a keyboard is not the same as training your mind and body vigorously to run faster, lift harder, throw and catch a ball with near 100% success rate, better than the other competitors throughout the country/world.
Crazy how we consider chess a sport when the arguments "they" make about eSports can be made almost 1:1 about something like chess.
And so I played chess in VR.
@Bob Humfree ok boomer
It’s not a sport. Just call it competitive gaming.
If you think chess, poker, snooker and other physical games are sports then video games have to be considered a sport to.
Sports is sports.
Esports is esports.
They are both very competitive and both deserve their own category. I believe both deserve the same popularity too. Both are very impressive.
nFai they’ll deserve the same popularity if they actually were the same popularity but we know that’s not true
@@art-sw1de well i dont think about that
like football/soccer really is very cheap and easy to play and it also helped poor people reach fame
Skip and Shannon are scripted to take opposing side. So either one of them are forced to take that side.
We as a gaming community should not want to esports to be considered real “sport”. We created our own scene so we shouldn’t be begging for traditional media to like us. For example all of these traditional sports are losing viewers because they have gotten boring. Most people don’t even watch tv. Also everyone knows the teams with the most money are usually the ones that win. It gets boring, we shouldn’t care that traditional media doesn’t want us to to be named as a sport we shouldn’t beg them for attention. We are a community that was created from the internet while the traditional media still make fun of esports they don’t see that we are thriving. So we should stop trying to beg them for attention.
Cruzaii 1.) NFL or college football will forever rule the sports world so get that straight. 2.) there are salary caps involved to avoid the teams with the most money winning everything 3.) y’all ain’t thriving. Once we as current teenagers and semi-adults grow up and get real jobs there isn’t gonna be time for video games anymore. Sorry, it’s the truth
@@art-sw1de OK first things first.. read my message really carefully before you embarrass yourself.. 1) i never said esports will dethrone traditional sports so you are already wrong about that. 2) ok i give you the salary cap argument(which more teams with influence and money can get any player aka patriots for example ). 3) compared to most of traditional sports esports have the biggest prize pools, viewership, and sponsors. NFL actualy went out and got streamers like timthetatman to stream their games since no one watches tv. and you say gaming isnt a real job? what about streamers, you tubers , and pro players. GAMING is a real job now and there is always time to game you are just not using most of your brain that can comprehend how big gaming is. you say that as adults there wont be any time to game but there is time to watch sports for 3 hours ?? wow we should all just stop gaming and watch any sport that NOTHING changes and have a chance to kill each other or severely injure themselves now inst that fun!
Cruzaii The patriots don’t get any big name players. You said aka the patriots when saying they have the most influence and money so they get the best players but they literally don’t get any big names so that point is completely wrong on your part. Next, my point about gaming is as I have grown up I play video games less because I have things to do. I’m 18, I’m in school and I already have things going on, but when I was doing school and work at the same time I literally had no time to play video games. My point being as we grow up and actually gain responsibility and realize what’s important the less and less for MOST people find video games important. Yes I understand there’s a small portion of gamers who make it their job but for 95% of gamers it’s not a job and we focus on other things as we get older.
art dude I’m 23 I go to college full time and I work and I still have time to game. you play less games because it’s by choice. Second after looking into the patriots you are right I gave a really bad example the one I should’ve used was Real Madrid a few years back. But still you missed my entire comment was that I don’t think we should strive to be a traditional sport that we should have our own thing
Cruzaii video games are very fun and have now turned into a social platform for me. I still love playing with my friends. I would agree that they shouldn’t copy actual sports and they should do their own thing to maximize their potential
Thanks for the video, quite good perspective on this topic!
Esports aren’t sports only mentaly
incorrect VERY incorrect and science even says esports is a real sports your just behind your time ignorant and biased and full of shit just like most washed boomers
This the same argument of is a transwomen a women. If it was a sport it wouldn’t be called eSport.
"sport" is literally in the name...
Esport is the name of the sport....
Felix Hajj it’s the classification you dumb fuck
@@singhatar0912 when you name a sport you are literally classifying it what are you talking about
If Esports are sports then scooters are cars.
You can consider a scooter a transportation tool but not a car.it's like if you're saying that golf uses a ball, so that makes it like football.same thing for esports.
My boy Shannon keeping it real
If chess is a sport then esport is 2
Nope
traditional sports & esports
what they have in common:
involve strategy - Has Coaches
Hand-Eye Coordination
Has Spectators
Big Prize Pools (depending on the game/sport)
Has Sponsors
Mental Toughness
Anyone can play but hard to master
There was a time where rock musicians thought hip hop wasn't "real" music and were just as dismissive. Live long enough and esports will take over "real" sports. All the risks potential injuries, decline of television viewership and general disinterest from the youth it's only a matter of time.
Ever Gladez but boxing has been around for 100 years and it’s still around lol
Decline viewership? European football is the most improving sport of all even esports, when it comes to viewers, money and attendance. Cool you like gaming, but taking over traditional sport is kinda biased to say, UFC and europaen football is stronger than ever. ;D
@@chidekel95 not true
joe rogan is the man! i listen to his podcast while playing GTA or CS GO. its great T.V.! ohh love the last part of rogan before you cut it
Trying to compare esports to sports is like trying to convince the world that a pear is an apple when really it's a pear trying to be a pear. Let the pear be a pear and the apple be an apple.
To any athlete it is almost disrespectful to compare an esport player to them, not to say the skill isnt required for either, but normal sports take a different type of conditioning, practice, and overall physical dedication . Where as esports takes same or even more practice BUT its not as physically tasking . In all it seems stupid to compare
Yea, chess and pool take a lot of physical training...
idiot famous atheletes like rick fox even reconize esports as a real sports your just behind your time ignorant and biased and full of shit just like all the other washed boomers
Esports take the same realm as sport as in how scenes tournaments salaries and success is based but the main difference is physical exertion. Yes a player is going to be tired after a BO5 on LAN or whatever. But it's more if a mental drain it doesnt have to do with putting the body in the line. Sports are defined by the exercise or physicality of an activity. If you take the aspect of physicality away from things being a sport then things like performing arts become a sport. Esports are their own thing and while I do believe they cater to the same audiences and can fill the same role in entertainment they arent interchangeable.
More people watch eSports than the Superbowl
"Esports" is just a marketing brand for video games companies to increase game sales by introducing competition for the games. There is a definition of what sport is and video games are not. Poker also requires huge skill (mathematics, psychology), has vast competition and money rewards. But it is a game not a sport. I will not call "ahtlete" a kid sitting 10 hours a day in front of a computer eating pizza. The term "esports" is just marketing
thats incorrect esports is a reconized real sports also proven by science your just behind your time ignorant and biased and full of shit just like washed boomers
@@tankofficial5637 Your comment "ignorant and biased and full of shit" is indeed very scientific. You have absolutely no idea what sport is. How can you have one if you have never done any sports in your life, just sitting in front of a screen. Thanks for proving my point once again.
@@alexathanatos3014 yep behind your time and ignorance like always..but again your from those days of fax machines who chose to be ignorance the worst type of blindness in the world....even my school teacher next to me aggrees....anyways esports is proven to be a real sports by science and is officialy a reconized sports even proven too be HARDER then most traditional sports...but ay no point in argueing with washed boomers who are ignornt and blind to understand
when washed boomers are argueing against science
Esports is better compared to competitive chess. I play games daily and come from a basketball background
I think anything that can have crowds of people supporting teams competing could be considered a sport. The lines are only gonna be more blurred when vr and motion controls become more mainstream
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There is no way Esport should be associated with actual sports. It's not real, you don't have any physical consequences for your actions. It is a skill, but it's 99% mental.
I disagree with this. Many esports pros suffer from physical consequences such as carpel tunnel syndrome, eye strain issues, and arm and back pain. Thats why many pro teams now have physiologists to help the players. its more like 60 - 40 from mental to physical percentage. Theres a reason only very few become pro gamers
We at southeast Asia already answer that debate: esports is a sport, in fact is is a medal event in 2019 Southeast Asian Games
Esports is not a sport. Sport requires physical exertion, so esports is like a sport but not a sport.
Literary Shit Not really, Racing and even Billiards are considered a sport and they dont really require a lot of physical exertion and in some countrys Esports are already considered a real sport
@@junux7465 The definition of sport is "an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment." just because some things are considered a sport by some doesn't mean it is and racing is arguable if it has physical exertion or not depending on which it is.
So walking is a sport? Taking a shower is a sport?
@@greischwitz yeah speed walking is a sport
@@junux7465 you do realise racers have to work on the condition very hard ?
Don’t ever say skip is good broadcasting talent
My favourite analogy is chess. If a person agrees that chess is a sport, then its not that hard to argue that esports is actually sport
Hard agree 👍
Konstantin Savin chess ain’t a sport either
@@art-sw1de you cannot be more wrong. You can try, but you wont bd successful
Konstantin Savin you need physical extortion for anything to be considered a sport. Chess is 100% mental, 0% physical. Doing math is 100% mental, 0% physical. Math isn’t a sport and neither is chess
chess is considered sport so eSport should also be
Antônio Flávio that’s exactly what I was thinking
chess is not officialy considered a sport
sports dont have RNG then esports there are balanced with no RNG are sports
How about wind, sunshine, drops of sweat on the ground that you might slip on etc.. These factors are kind of RNG in traditional sports (you cannot control them).
@@vyteniskajackas7579 Yea and in american football don't you flip a coin and isnt it technicly rng if you miss or make your free throw shot
Funny how most of the real athletes agree that it is a sport because they know the real aspects of sport is played through the mind. Funny how media analysts and highschool was my gloryday jocks are the ones who critically debate against it.
Some people practice 10 hours a day. Playing all day can seriously hurt and permanently damage your body over time.
Blindness from eye strain
Arthritis
Major back problems (over time)
Etc.
So I think people just say it's not a sport because they aren't usto it yet. Its still a newer thing, but if NASCAR is a sport so is E sports.
Jared but it’s called esports lol
@@jesusblanco7657 you're right lol
Jared I can jerk off for 10 hours a day and definitely have some permanent damage, but that doesn’t mean it’s a sport Chief
Blindness from eye strain!!! ;D Major back problems! ;D omg so a pro gamer got the same injuries as a child or an old senior. well yea let's support it then.
In traditionel sport, you only got life long injuries, handicaps and a probabilty to loose your life. Damn esport is dangerous!
I see eSports being in the same category as Chess. It takes a lot of skill to win, but there isnt really much physical movement. Obviously gaming has more movement than chess but not enough to compare to basketball for example
Chess is considered an Olympic sport. And with all do respect, i believe that gaming on the pro level is just like playing chess. Quick thinking and strategy development are key in any sport, esports is no different.
but with chess you actually have 160 iq in real life lol video games tate skill but take reaction time that's mostly it
@@lucky0h732 reaction time? you haven't played dota have you? it involves alot of math. does snooker players need to break a sweat? and your argument with the IQ levels is invalid, how sure are you that those players in esports doesnt have a 160 IQ or higher?
@@vashSJ 99% of them dropped out, and also doing basic math is not that hard tell me what type of math im just saying statistics people are always saying oh 300 iq play or whatever, but games are just one thing the one thing is getting used to the game anyone can go pro
@@lucky0h732 there you go dropping stats with no basis again. what made you say 99% of them dropped out? whats your source? i can say the same with any other sports "oh, just get used to your sport and you can go pro".
and even if they are drop-outs, what made you say they dont have a high IQs? isnt Einstein a drop-out? oh right he is.
@@vashSJ You don't just get good at sports theres work actual work not just sitting down on your ass all day playing league of legends
Unrelated: imagine eating hot wings and being interviewed while standing...wtf, who designed that interviewed?
So I completely agree with Shannon, and completely disagree with skip. No difference from their football and basketball opinions either 😂
Transparent Eclipse not a sport
VanV k bruh, I will have to disagree, but everyone is entitled to their opinion
Transparent Eclipse you actually exert some physical force when playing a real sport. Video games is just moving your fingers from a physical standpoint. Is scrolling through Instagram a sport? No
VanV the difference is scrolling through Instagram takes no focus, skill, dedication, nothing, it’s literally the most brainless activity u can do on a mobile device, and anyone can do it. And there’s no such thing as being good at scrolling through Instagram. There is however such thing as being good at a video game. I understand why u would think physical exertion is required in a sport, but it isn’t. U are going by the literal definition of sport, when I don’t think that definition applies. I think all something takes to qualify as a sport is a competition between two people or teams involving skill, talent, and dedication to the game, in which they compete for some prize or advancement for others entertainment. Bc as there are such things as physical sports, such as football, basketball, etc, I consider there to be such things as mental sports as well, such as video games, chess, etc. If u choose not to consider mental sports as sports, fine, it has no impact on me, but I do as the only difference between the two is the physicality.
As long as racing, golf and curling are considered sports, there is no argument: esports ARE real sports!
MetallicRain racing is a bad exemple because you actully need to be fit to race the cars to their limits like in f1 due to the forces onto the drivers
@@philippemane2001 Racing is still a skill based sport. Being fit is not an absolute necessity, there are people who can race without a problem by doing the same amount of fitness as a csgo player.
MetallicRain In esports you can be at the top without being really fit. Not like racing where the top racers are under great heat in their cars so they really dehydrated. But it is true that some types of racing doesn't required like drag races but they don't bring the kind of money esport brings. So i think a fair comparaison is formula e which is a growing champions like esports and you absulotely need to be in shape or you will slow the car enough to be in the back of the greed
@@jordan2104 Name one race driver, that has done just as little fitness, as a csgo player then?
@@jordan2104 Plus racing you are putting your life on the line, can't say the same for gaming? ;D
As a pro nerd who is playing games since I was 5, now am 23 I say hell no it's not, lookup the meaning of the word sport and athlete, esports is esports am sure u can see the e it's not there by accident
Exactly bro
Esports are not sports
Is hunting and archery considered a sport? Because that’s just aiming and shooting with your arms
yes because it takes skill hand eye cordination perfect realease time steady hands i see gamers with unsteady hands that win
I don’t know that I’d go so far as to say esports are sports in the same way that say football is a sport, but they do require a lot of the same skills as traditional sports do, just not as much of the physicality. I used to see the same debate as to whether auto racing should be considered a sport since a lot of people just see it as someone sitting in a seat and driving around in circles (or any type of course) for however many laps, and don’t think of how much those drivers are having to focus on their surroundings and constantly think of when they need to try to pass or when it’s best to hang back a little, and all the other factors they have to pay attention to. I think the same can be said about esports, yeah they may not be up running around, but they’re constantly thinking of what they should do next. Not to mention the time and skill it takes to get to the level to be able to compete with top pros, much like it takes for athletes to be able to compete at the top of their sport. I just want esports to be respected as much as traditional sports even if they’re not thought of the same. Like I don’t want it to be thought of as dumb that they’re showing an Overwatch match on ESPN. And how cool would it be for the pros in these games with International Championships like LoL, Dota, etc who are representing their nations to be praised by mainstream media as much as the Olympic athletes doing the same? Sorry for the novel lol
*well its hard to argue with an intellegent person but impossible with an ignorant one"
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Yes Esports is a sport. It's not a physical sport but it is a sport you know it's a mental sport because you're playing it in the digital space. That's why the team I used to follow optic had a gym sponsor and the team would hit the gym so that way their physical attributes balanced out the mental attributes
😂
And what if full body VR finally takes off and becomes playable and competitive on a professional level. Will that then be considered a sport.
no because your not facing opponents face to face
I wouldn't consider it a sport by it's very definition. But that doesn't mean you dont have to put an extensive amount of time and have incredible skills for it..I dont get it..nobody fights over if chess is a sport( maybe they do) but by its definition you need to have physical exertion
thats incorrect but at least your not behind your time ignorant and biased like most other washed boomers esports is proven to be a real sports
Chess is a sport, and i dont see them doing backflips 😂
I think it’s a sport, but they aren’t athletes... they’re gamers...
Mastering eye-to-hand coordination is a broadly underrated skill that comes with being a pro on any game. Therefore there is indeed some physicality involved.
Smokrez moving your thumbs = sport. Scrolling through Instagram = apparently a sport
So musicians are athletes?
If darts is a real sport esports is a sport to
No Its not
Chess is considered a sport why not gaming
Gaming is not a sport, Make it competitive, give it a new name (Esports) and it is still not a sport.
You are right. It is not a sport, it's esport.
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You’re not a athlete in ESHITS
Reminds me of the debate about whether or not powerlifting counts as a sport. It is almost like the complete opposite of cs:go as a sport in that it is all physical but almost no mental. Power lifting doesn't require reaction time at all and it is skillish but not particularly as the movements are very simple. However on the physical side it is at like 100 percent yet still some say it is not a sport. Obviously its just words are categories are limited. My honest opinion is that a sport needs to be full body and in real 3D space so no esports are more like a game like pool or darts but IMO way better. One thing that annoys me is when people call Poker a sport that is just ridiculous since coordination and reaction time NOT factors what so ever.
soldatheero you just said csgo is all physical
I'm like half and half with it I can see skips point coming from playing sports. But if you also think about it Poker is technically a sport its always on Fox or ESPN and they dont use any physical activity other than mind.
poker is not a sport, just because it's on espn doesn't mean anything.
Spelling Bees are also on ESPN,, doesn't make it a sport.
True I dont disagree at times I cringe when they consider gaming a sport or pros "athletes" just considering all factors. I guess I'm fine with it being an "e-sport" but not a sport.
Skip Bayless saying that it is not a sport pretty much just sealed the deal that eSports count as a sport.
Esports are diffrent type of sport so we can put comp fortnite as a esport comp csgo for another esport like we have socer and basketball
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If playing video games is a sport then basically everything is a sport. Reality tv is a sport because it’s entertaining and a lot of times they have competitions. Got it.
Its a sport, its just not an athletic sport. Exactly like chess. Just like dance is athletic, but its an art, not a sport.
Nice haircut!
Bowling, Darts, Pool all skill games not defined as sports. Pure technique, knowledge, mental skill, execution. Those are all games just like video games. Competitive at the highest level but a Game of Skill is not a Sport. Person Vs Person in a Physical Game = Sport
I think Skip Bayless said it perfectly, esports takes a lot of skill but the lack of athleticism doesn’t make it a sport
@Panis Dis chess is not considered offcialy a sport
definition of sport,
an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
Does esports involve physical exertion? yes all pros are fit, someone 400 lbs would never set records in something like bhop or rhythm games. it's even possible to get injuries like rsi.
Does it involve skill? Obviously yes, far more then any physical sport.
a mind game such as chess is so unfathomable that they lose weight in a day by thought alone.
SKIIIUP!! - LeShannon Sharpe
If it’s not a sport chess is not a sport
Jake, I love you.
i like the joe rogan bit. keep adding more
If you define "sports" as requiring full-body athleticism, you just told every para athlete missing a limb that they're not really "athletes". Or that any sport that focuses on one or limited body parts (arm wrestling), is also not a sport.
imagine calling ninja an athlete...
lol "especially in 2020" little did he know...
I think Gaming has more physical activity than Poker and Poker is considered a sport always on Fox and ESPN.
If someone says poker is a sport tgey should consider esports as a sport. Likewise as poker isnt a sport esports isnt a sport.Imo i think esports isnt a sport as i dont think snooker ans poker should be considered as sports
it doesnt have the ame physical activity
Lets just say Chess is also not a sport. Does it make Chess less legitimate and recognizable than normal sport such as football and basketball
Chess is not a sport it's a game but what seperates chess from video games is you are 10x more nervous you actually irl have 160 iq
And chess dates back like 1,000 years chess is a culture video games competitively are like 20 years old and it just needs time to develoup
@@lucky0h732 I think the "difference" you listed is only an issue of context. Normal Chess meetup sessions can be really chill as well, as for video games, I'm literally trembling after I win a 1v2 clutch in Apex and I can't imagine how much more nervous I will be if I am doing it at a LAN event.
My point is, competition in video games has as much legitimacy as both sports and other games such as poker and chess, it not being a sports doesn't reduce it's legitimacy. There is no need for any pressure for video games to be viewed as a sport since video games is its seperate category
@@lucky0h732 in addition, the line between traditional games and video games are kinda blurry. Say, if you go online to play chess, does it count as a video game? If the rules are modified (such as 5d chess, a variant of chess), how much will the rules have to be modified in order for it to not count as a traditional game but a video game?
My point is that in terms of games/ competitions, video games is not a seperate category, it is just a medium/vehicle that the game exist on
@@Shivvorz Im talking about chess tournaments i think if your doing sports casually and not doing a real sport i think your wasting your life if your doing sports competitively then fine that's good your doing something as long as your benefiting of it then good but don't game for no reason
Sports is defind as "An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which and individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment" By definition I wouldn't consider it a sport. It has sport like qualities but I wouldn't define it as such. Sports & Esports are competitions but that doesn't make Esports a sport though.
How does pool, chess and other games alike differ from esports?
your incorrect there comrade.. esports is proven to be harder then real sports and is also reconized as a real sports also most famous atheletes (who are not ignorant biased and behind there time like you and other washed boomers) say its a real sports bc sports is threw the mind also esports has physical activities too
@@tankofficial5637 Difficulty has no bearing on what it’s considered as, & they are incomparable. Just because they are both competitive doesn’t make them the same. And no esports are not “physical”. Im sorry but you don’t run out of breath playing esports.
@@iouturtle man your so ignorant.. but guess those days from fax machines is somthing your too used too ig...yu know right that even famous atheletes for example rick fox even says esports is a real sports....and esports is proven by science to be a real sports and is a reconized one too....second of all you do get out of breath in esports competitions.....your heart gets to 160 to 180 bpm size of a marathon and you loose more then 200 callorries in 1 hr of competion and and stress hormones equilevent to a race car driver......and esports uses multiple parts of the brain at once .....very FEW sports can compare too...nor too the trash and harsh realities of extreme mental practice of bieng a pro esports players
They aren't fucking sports, but that doesn't make them any less entertaining or skillful. I wouldn't count chess either or anything like that. Those games can't be sports since everybody from a skinny guy to chonk has the same advantage and they don't train their bodies, they train their minds predominantly.
I’d rather watch a real sport not esports it’s not a sport.
Isn’t Ninja a streamer, and not into competitive forkfite?
There is nothing athletic about playing a video game. That is like saying chess is a sport. It is mind and thumbs. Not a sport. No risk of injury. No movement of the body. No need to be in shape. No need to have good cardio. No need to be athletic in any way. It is not a sport. Just because it has a cash prize doesn't mean it is a sport.
I disagree with this. Many esports pros suffer from physical consequences such as carpel tunnel syndrome, eye strain issues, and arm and back pain. Thats why many pro teams now have physiologists to help the players. its more like 60 - 40 from mental to physical percentage. Theres a reason only very few become pro gamers
. Many pro teams are also making physical exercise a requirement for their players, and most players say they play better when they are exercising and eating healthy. And aiming in a fps game is movement of the body. Very precise and quick movement of the body.
like the dude said metal sport e sports is not a sport it's like chess i don't play e sports But i played some games and it takes skill cus i suck
if ches is a sport then esports i a sport too.
Ibo Grand Chess and Esports are games Football, Baseball Basketball and Ice Hockey are sports
@@deconman the fuck is baseball?
The fact one of the guys explains that sports are full body movement while there are a lot of other activities recognised as sports that require maybe only upper body movement kind of makes his point irrelevant. Not to mention there is a specific reason we call it e-sport instead of sport. Regardless once those old geezers will be replaced with new generation people this whole debate will turn a 180 towards esport being sports.
Esport are sport just like cheese
@ACT1ON JACKSON fuck i meant chess
cheese is a sport fax
My main issue is that they still do not understand what an e sport is.
Just because a game has million dollar tournaments doesnt make it an e sport, fornite isnt an e sport simply cuz the game wasnt designed to be it, its unbalanced and unfair, but fun
LoL, Rainbow Six Siege, CSGO, Rocket League, etc, those are e sports
Esports are Esports, they are legitimate and they dont need to be called "sport" to be validated. Esport makes more money than most sport, it is more popular and accessible. The two are totally valid and enjoyable in their own right.
no esports are not sports
You don’t use your legs In golf you stand still and golf is consider a sport
Yes you do. You don't know golf
Legs and lower body are important af in golf.
You clearly don't know nothing about golf.
We created esports and esports is thriving right now. Why do we need recognition from someone who doesn't want to research or give a damn about esports. We don't need esports in Olympics, cause we're bigger than the olympics. Esports isn't a sports? Yah, esports isn't a sports because it is esports, we don't need to be a sports. We are the biggest entertainment sector in the globe. Why does people want other peoples consent who doesn't care about the multi billion dollar industry that we "gamers" created. The F ing dictionary doesn't know what esports is and it still has red underline. Esports isn't a sports. Nobody cares. It's esports. It doesn't need to be a sports. It's gonna take the entire "traditional sports" market soon and then talk to them on how they feel about esports.
I know im a year late but yo dumb ass really said esports are bigger than the olympics and that esports are the biggest “sport” in the world🤦♂️
Of course it's a sport I don't know if there athletic though but we don't have a name for them so athlete it is I guess
Esports are more of a sport than cookies
I mean I was against calling it a sport but if driving is considered a sport then video games should too.
No they aren’t the same
Don't worry guys, once the boomers are gone we'll introduce eSports in Olympics
Sanket Neman whats the point though? Olympics are slimey af
If a sport is more on the body soooo chess is not a sport as well because you use your skill, mentality and you HAND just saying
Well true but chess has respect culture because it's been here for over 1,000 years so it developed a great reputation And plus you literaly have to see 10 moves away and trick your opponent and chess players actually have like 160 iq but gaming is less intense
Suprised they never bring up the competitive aspect of esports. And the fact people on professional esports orgs are usually top of the ladder year after year. I think when older people hear professional gamer they dont know that there are esports tittles. And that there are pro's for a spacific game that lasts for years like league of legends or smash.
eSports are sports
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Call it what you want. Just get a tv network for it
I believe esport is not really a sport but it is just as entertaining as one, this depends on what the eye sees