I like Ward 10 it’s good flavor. The Tarrasque has legendary resistances and various forms of spell resistances making it near impossible but not quite impossible to slay with magic. Ward 10 is enough to show that level of resistance and not having hex proof shows that it is fallible. It really should’ve had double strike or trample instead of haste though as is it is a flavor fail.
People (not you) are just salty that green has to cast a big spell instead of just t3 cheating out an eldrazi. Like just play mono green tron for fucks sake. Ward 10 fucking slaps.
@@garrettsmith4034 this is actually it, even flavourwise im sure there was a panel involved in giving it exacsies what it needed. Just because its a chonky dude doesnt mean it needs annihilator 5 monstrosity and take an extra turn people, jeeZ.
It completely depends on which _edition_ of D&D the stat block is from. So, Trample... destruction of lands... Regenerate.... All of those effects I thought it would have. Maybe a bit more to make it unique compared to other giant 10/10 Green Dinosaurs.
This is actually perfect, because in the lore the tarrasque is the most epic monster in dungeons and dragons. In the rules however, in every edition, it is always laughably under powered, overshadowed by even marginal demons and dragons. Famously the flight spell just beats the tarrasque. So kudos to wizards for keeping up the tradition.
@@christiansandrini96 thats because you looked at a system that actually considers how powerful a creature should be, rather than slapping a few random abilities together and having no actual care for what it is supposed to be.
@@Demortra If i recall correctly, the only way to kill it permanently is after turning it into a pulp (a legendary feat already), to cast a Wish spell to prevent its remains from regenerating
Seconded. Such special occasions are a perfect opportunity to use use old keywords that aren't evergreen. If the functionality happens to match that well with the card, that just makes it so much more badass. Particularly _for_ the players unfamiliar with the keyword ability - which is usually the reasons they are avoided. Plus, it's a mythic, meaning it isn't going to flood the pool with keyboards, and is perfectly cut to bear such an exception.
should have been a 10/10 with trample, hexproof and "if The Tarrasque would be destroyed instead exile it with 2 (maybe 3) time counters. The Tarrasque gains suspend while it is in exile."
To be fair, ward 10 imo is alot fucking cooler than hexproof in terms of the flavor, being that is not impossible to hit it with magic but just incredibly hard to do. It needs trample though, and its confusing that it has haste. Also love the idea of it being suspent for a short amount of time!
There are hundreds of flavor fails in the d&d sets. Ancient bronze dragon making zombies? Mirkul careing about enchantments?. Elminster and Faerie dragons? Vecna feels like rar big monster smash Instead of calculating lich God secret mastermind. Feels like they had a different set created and shoehorned d&d onto it.
I mean Vecna cards do feel Vecna esque. You draw advantage. Buff advantage. Then make an army if you lose life. But then can summon Vecna into the realm by sacking all 3 pieces. I do see where you might want a little more flavor. After all. He was a huge danger in dnd.
Good points. Also, Jon Irenicus is a 3/3. So in Magic terms, he'd die if he fought a random Hill GIant. That's absurd, he's way more powerful than that. Though admittedly more cards suffer from that problem. His card just particularly pisses me off because I thought he was the coolest villain ever when I played Baldur's Gate as a teenager.
Not having trample is a nail in the coffin, just straight up useless in face of two squirrel's... I'd love it if it was just stupidly overpowered but at some insane cost, or even with restriction on putting it in play without casting. 20 mana for the most broken keyword soup ever? Sign me the fuck up!
a card that's literally entirely flavour, but not even incorporating the biggest part of the source material, like garlic bread, without the bread, you can easily taste the garlic and buttery goodness, but there's no satisfying crunch to complete the experience.
This spell cannot be countered. Trample. Hexproof. Annihilator 1. If this card leaves the battlefield, instead exile it with 4 time counters and it gains Suspend.
@@Sauvenil the goal i was going for was if you remove it, you have a 4 turn window to try and end the game before it comes back. This should probably have reach though now that i think about it.
None of it really fits the tarrasque except the stats. I'd make it 8/8 with trample and intimidate and "If this creature would be targeted with a spell or ability controlled by an opponent, roll a d20. 1-4: Do nothing. 5-16: Counter the spell or ability. 17-20: Copy the spell or ability then counter the original spell or ability. You may choose new targets for the copy. " I think this would fit the tarrasque better. It also uses the new roll 20 mechanic. And that fits the tarrasque original reflective carapace ability better than ward.
Tarrasque is a joke in mtg. After reading the card first time(with no context) it seemed mediocre at best. When I asked my DM friend what Tarrasque is in DND, he gave me approximately 20 pages of explanations of his abilities and why it is almost impossible to kill. I don't care. Make it 20 mana and can't be cheated into play but it must live up to it's name and mythic rarity.
Huge whiff on this card. It’s like someone just gave them a picture of it and they sent that to an artist then they just made the card according to the picture, which is still dumb since it don’t have trample.
It's really just missing trample. Fuck annihilator unless it's Eldrazi, fuck Regenerate altogether cause it's a weird ass mechanic and ward 10 is solid. I'm just very glad it doesn't get the ward on cheating it in, because that would be a fucking nightmare.
I was JUST thinking yesterday how keywords are no longer unique to colors. Like you said with Haste on green, Lifelink is on every black card now. So now that game flavor of uniqueness is gone :/
The color pie had green and black included as secondary color for haste for several years now. It's still red's thing first and foremost. But it definitely has gotten more prominent in green lately.
Whole reason I got into Magic was I wanted to play big monsters! I'm a timmy. Showed my friend Magic, same thing, he was like nah I don't care about some cheap combo I wanna get out this giant 15/15 ape. So I appreciate they still make these cards but if I owned this, I still wouldn't play it, its bad
Honestly, everything you just discussed about Tarrasque has me thinking it would or should have been treated like an Eldrazi titan from Rise of the Eldrazi in the first Zendikar set. Simple movement has it crushing through entire towns? That's annihilator right there. Inherent ability to withstand massive destructive spells? Sounds clearly like indestructible to me. Only issue I see being that by giving it both those things, it seems to have a little too much in common with Ulamog the Infinite Gyre. Instead it feels like they did their best to go in that direction but keep what it could do mostly within the sphere of the green color pie, which demonstrably made it weaker in every sense. I personally would have given it a (albeit cheap) annihilator at level 2. But also something more take away the cast trigger. That way you can cheat it into play and just have a nice nasty beater who cant be targeted by much of anything save a board wipe and can slap your opponent silly the moment it came into play. Sad WotC didnt see fit to even give this legendary creature of DnD the time of day. One of my biggest complaints with both attempts to dive into the DnD World when bringing it over to MTG. Go wild with the IP! Celebrate its charm in a style that stays TRUE and ACCURATE to the majority of the creatures and their respective lore. If said creature ends up being too powerful simply dont include that creature/legend and move onto something iconic that DOES work with in the realm of both MTG and DnD whilst remaining as fair and balance as you can stomach.
5e did the Tarrasque dirty. In previous additions, you could only Wish it from existence, and only when it was already at 0 HP. Now, a clay golem can punch it to death from inside of its own stomach.
5e basically took away it's Regen for some reason. Other than that. If you kill it or even wish it dead. It comes back in 100 years. You can't banish it. The thing never stops coming back. Luckily it's 1 of a kind. No more. No less. Not sure why you feel 5e did it dirty.
I don't mind it being unplayable, I mind it being WEAK. Sure, most Eldrazis are never cast, only cheated into play: they still feel huge, dangerous, great.
Shortly after I read a d&d book about this guy I pulled a foil version and just like you I read it and was extremely disappointed that this is what we got for a monster like this
When I pulled my Tarrasque, I wsa confused. "Why the fuck does it have a shit ward and haste if it doesn't have trample/indestructable/hexproof? I'm supposed to be terrified of it, not laughing at it."
It should have trample regardless, ward 10 maybe for flavor. But I think a shuffle back into the owners library if it is put into the graveyard or exiled would be great since if the Tarrasque is "defeated" it just goes into hibernation. If you keep that it can fight a monster, you should increase it to up to 3 target creatures because of multi-attack. And a personal flair would be to add that the Tarrasque cannot change controllers so no mind control effects work. This would make a terrifying creature and give the Tarrasque back some of its dignity.
Yeah, I feel that the people that designed both of the D&D sets were sorely lacking in their understanding of the game. Don't get me wrong, some of the cards were good, but I feel there were a lot more misses than hits. My main grip was that in the Forgotten Realms set, you had Mordenkainen as a Planeswalker. That character is from Oerth (Greyhawk), not Faerun (Forgotten Realms). A huge flavor fail for me.
Yes, Mordenkainen he is from another world, or plane if you will and visits the Frogotten Relms, thus a Planeswalker. Actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
I guess Wizards is doubling down on their own old mistakes. While the Terrasque is always being described as the ultimate monster in D&D throughout the editions, it never was. When Wizards took over D&D, they kept that tradition alive. They still do, it seems.
It should have started as an e chantment or transform card that had some kind of timer before it could transform and be a baddass. Basically you would have to wait for it to wake up.
I don't think it should have annihilator, but it should have mantle, trample and should go back to the grimoire if it would go to the graveyard or exiled. It could also have regeneration.
Needed Trample and bite instead of fight. Flavor wise it should also have regeneration and a d20 roll if an opponent actually pays the ward cost. On a 15+ you get to redirect the spell to any other creature.
I was hoping this card would be like super emrakul. Just absurdly expensive and stupid strong. I want it to have trample that when it deals damage via trample that damage is doubled for something crazy like that.
So I'd you ask me both the D&D version and the card are meh, the actual mythical creatures is a giant lion with a man face, 6 legs and a unbreakable turtle shell
"Ward 10, Trample, Annihilator (4? 6? It'd obviously be playtested and tuned.) If The Tarrasque would be destroyed, regenerate it and put (2? 3?) slumber counters on it. While the Tarrasque has slumber counters, it cannot attack or block. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a slumber counter from The Tarrasque." Maybe it's cheap but gets the slumber counters on ETB? Note that this means a player can trigger it's regenerate to put more slumber counters on it even while it's already asleep, to keep it out the game. Much like how a player can try to prevent a regenerating Tarrasque from getting up by pushing it further into the negatives.
Should have had Trample and "whenever it would be put into a graveyard, shuffle it into its owner's library". I think instead of Annihilator, it should have been something more like "When this deal combat damage to a player, destroy 2 lands that player controls."
@@joshshin6819 Normally I'd agree, but when you're talking about a 9-drop I think we're well past the point where destroying lands is "not letting your opponent play the game."
The Tarrasque has Trample, Haste and Ward 10 as long as it was cast Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, target land that player controls loses all abilities and becomes a wastes
Imo it should have had haste and trample as baseline, ward 10 and indestructible counter on cast (to be similarly nearly unkillable like in dnd) and the fight mechanic should have been a Ram Through effect on up to 2 creatures defending player controls. Also give it a higher mana cost (12+) to balance that monstrosity if you really hardcast it. That way it's nasty when cheated out and legendarily rad when hardcast.
Tarrasque should have been like progenitus mixed with an Eldrazi titan, Protection from Everything, annihilator 2, trample, if it would be put into the graveyard instead shuffle it into your library.
Take away all the abilities, give it trample and indestructible and if it ever dies or is sent to grave from battlefield it goes back to battlefield at the beginning of the next end step. The tarrasque will recover physical wounds underground anyways so that fits perfect on the flavor end way more than this
It's abilities feel more like a throw away temur colored mythic dino from ixalan Some sort of suspend effect. With hexproof trample and indestructible would be hilarious. Maybe if it is removed from play and sent to the graveyard or exiled it instead is suspended.
I def felt after you cast from hand that if it is destroyed or exiled it comes back with suspend or something for free and wouldn't have say the ward 10 or haste anymore but would be a constant threat. Kinda like it is in dnd
Ok it for sure shouldn't have annihilator or regenerate bc regenerate has been discontinued and annihilator is specific to the RoE eldrazi but it should destroy permanents on attack and have trample. Ward 10 can stay bc I like big numbers. It should have the keywords regardless of how it hit the board. They could easily have made it bigger also. Flavorwise it'd be neat if it recurred itself too bc that is something the terrasque does in d&d (when defeated it returns to its slumber for a few thousand years or so). Also they didn't give it hexproof bc they're discontinuing that too and replacing it with ward.
6GGG 11/11 Trample, indestructible, ward discard 3 cards. Pay 5 life: Regenerate Any creature dealt combat damage by The Terrasque this turn that dies is exiled instead of going to it's owner's graveyard, exile any equipment that was attached to it. When The Terrasque attacks the defending player sacrifices a land. If The Terrasque would leave the battlefield to go to any zone other than the Command Zone, shuffle it into it's owner's library instead. That is The Terrasque!
Terrasque deals extra damage to buildings and stuff, it doesn't care much about creatures. Terrasque 6GGG Legendary creature - Dino Ward 10 (i like dis), trample When this attacks, destroy each artifact on the battlefield. If no artifacts are destroyed this way, destroy each other creature on the battlefield. At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on this for each permanent it destroyed this turn. Idunno. Destroys buildings until there nowhere to hide, then ends the world kinda vibe? Just a quick shot at it
You could just give it all of progentitus stuff including the casting cost. Although ward 10 is quite thematic. Probably should have trample is most cases (doesn't need it with protection from everything i guess). I agree some form on anihilator would be intresting on it.
The only matchups where Tarrasque works well is against control decks that don't play creatures/only play a couple creatures. Which of course makes it impossible to play in Standard at the moment since even its full control decks use Planeswalkers that create 2/1 spiders that can block a 10/10 dinosaur with no damage spillover. Why it doesn't have trample is beyond me.
Ward ten make more sense then hexproof really. It would take more resources to take down a massive dinosaur. I think it's a solid keyword From that prospective.
i felt similar to Ancient Brontodon its an 8 cost 9/9 with no abilities it should have had reach and or trample especially with the flavor text they chose it feels like alot of dinos dont get very fitting keywords
I completely agree. I honestly think it should have trample, rampage, indestructible, shroud or heatproof, regenerate if destroyed, annihilator, and ward and possibly even protection. Haste isn't really needed on it and neither is the fighting thing. It could have some other kind of bypass like the ability to deal damage regardless if it was blocked or not. If you ask me they really did a disservice to it. The thing is that there are many common and uncommon creatures that are much better either because of mana cost being much lower or more powerful abilities or both in many cases. Heck every single one of the mythic dinosaurs from ixlan were better than this one card that should have been better based on the lore alone.
btw when you say eldrazi you said it like el da razi when its said el dra zi/ze/z idk witch it would be to show how its pronunced i know that one of them is it but ya sorry if this comes off as rude if i didnt say somthing it would be like a un scratcheble itch also whats the whole mem behind charging badger is it just that its a 1/1 for 1 with trample or is it the name since charging bager seems more like the name for a hasted creature
Technically it does blow up 2 things when it attacks. Fight 1 blocker and get chump blocked by another. But yeah this should have been Emrakul levels of powerful but with some safety line to prevent it being reanimated or cheated into play (maybe like Phage's you lose the game unless you cast it)
Well, not "things" as in buildings (artifacts, lands). Merely one creature when fighting. And then it gets blocked by some tiny foot soldier to avoid any further collateral damage. Doesn't seem too flavorful to me honestly.
Really should have swapped Haste for Trample and either a bigger body or some other ability. Maybe swap out the fight effect for something. Annihilator is never being put onto another new card, but maybe some psuedo-annihilator would work? Like it only makes you sac Nonlands or something
Should be the only non eldrazi card with annihilator 2 ability on 12/12 Trample body. If wizards dont like the annihilator then bring back Rampage and put it on Rampage 4. Remove the haste instead ETB destroy target land. Fight ability remains option or remove entirely and should have shroud. So you cant abuse the ETB.
" same price and stats Absorb 2, trample, annihilator 2, menace, ward 2 The first time each turn The Tarrasque would be destroyed this turn, regenerate it instead and UNTAP it. Everytime The Tarrasque is targeted by a spell or ability an opponent controls, rolls a d6. If the result is 5, counter that spell or ability. If the result is 6 and that opponent controls a valid target, change the target of that spell or ability to a valid target chosen at random. TAP: Target permanent loses indestructible until end of turn. Destroy that permanent. It can't be regenerated. " THIS would be a good legendary Terrasque
so youre using an ability only printed once with absorb, a storm scale 9 ability with anihilator, and an ability considered retire with regenerate. Not to mention its now a 10/10 for 9 with multiple forms of evasion and multiple removal spells stapled on. Thats busted and would be banned
You mean ramp has to gulp.... spend mana for a big creature instead of just t3'ing name a card with annihilator via name a cheat in method and winning???? Ohhhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooo.......
Just being honest I think the Tarrasque in DnD versus other BBEG's like Asmodeus or Zuggtmoy pales in comparison so an underwhelming card is almost a funny nod off to that
call it a ta-rash
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More like belongs in the trash
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I like Ward 10 it’s good flavor. The Tarrasque has legendary resistances and various forms of spell resistances making it near impossible but not quite impossible to slay with magic. Ward 10 is enough to show that level of resistance and not having hex proof shows that it is fallible. It really should’ve had double strike or trample instead of haste though as is it is a flavor fail.
People (not you) are just salty that green has to cast a big spell instead of just t3 cheating out an eldrazi.
Like just play mono green tron for fucks sake. Ward 10 fucking slaps.
Just play Putrefax?
@@garrettsmith4034 this is actually it, even flavourwise im sure there was a panel involved in giving it exacsies what it needed. Just because its a chonky dude doesnt mean it needs annihilator 5 monstrosity and take an extra turn people, jeeZ.
It completely depends on which _edition_ of D&D the stat block is from.
So, Trample... destruction of lands... Regenerate.... All of those effects I thought it would have.
Maybe a bit more to make it unique compared to other giant 10/10 Green Dinosaurs.
It should have had trample and then something where it destroys lands instead of fight creatures
This is actually perfect, because in the lore the tarrasque is the most epic monster in dungeons and dragons. In the rules however, in every edition, it is always laughably under powered, overshadowed by even marginal demons and dragons. Famously the flight spell just beats the tarrasque. So kudos to wizards for keeping up the tradition.
I mean I only seen the pathfinder edition of it... And I would not call it anything different from OP
@@christiansandrini96 thats because you looked at a system that actually considers how powerful a creature should be, rather than slapping a few random abilities together and having no actual care for what it is supposed to be.
3.5 needed very specific ways to kill it... 5e is just easy mode.
@@Demortra If i recall correctly, the only way to kill it permanently is after turning it into a pulp (a legendary feat already), to cast a Wish spell to prevent its remains from regenerating
Was looking for this comment.
This card, and only this card, is something I would have liked having Annihilator, I personally hate the mechanic but it makes sense for the Tarrasque
Seconded.
Such special occasions are a perfect opportunity to use use old keywords that aren't evergreen.
If the functionality happens to match that well with the card, that just makes it so much more badass. Particularly _for_ the players unfamiliar with the keyword ability - which is usually the reasons they are avoided.
Plus, it's a mythic, meaning it isn't going to flood the pool with keyboards, and is perfectly cut to bear such an exception.
should have been a 10/10 with trample, hexproof and "if The Tarrasque would be destroyed instead exile it with 2 (maybe 3) time counters. The Tarrasque gains suspend while it is in exile."
To be fair, ward 10 imo is alot fucking cooler than hexproof in terms of the flavor, being that is not impossible to hit it with magic but just incredibly hard to do. It needs trample though, and its confusing that it has haste. Also love the idea of it being suspent for a short amount of time!
Void Rend and its gone. Sad that he got so shafted :(
There are hundreds of flavor fails in the d&d sets. Ancient bronze dragon making zombies? Mirkul careing about enchantments?. Elminster and Faerie dragons? Vecna feels like rar big monster smash Instead of calculating lich God secret mastermind.
Feels like they had a different set created and shoehorned d&d onto it.
I mean Vecna cards do feel Vecna esque. You draw advantage. Buff advantage. Then make an army if you lose life. But then can summon Vecna into the realm by sacking all 3 pieces.
I do see where you might want a little more flavor. After all. He was a huge danger in dnd.
Wasn't AFR a core set before they went "Fuck it, lets make it D&D"
Good points.
Also, Jon Irenicus is a 3/3. So in Magic terms, he'd die if he fought a random Hill GIant. That's absurd, he's way more powerful than that. Though admittedly more cards suffer from that problem. His card just particularly pisses me off because I thought he was the coolest villain ever when I played Baldur's Gate as a teenager.
And why was Mordenkainen in the set? He is from Greyhawk.
I just can't get over how they had the party mechanic introduced in Zendikar: Rising only to completely ignore it in the D&D set!
Not having trample is a nail in the coffin, just straight up useless in face of two squirrel's...
I'd love it if it was just stupidly overpowered but at some insane cost, or even with restriction on putting it in play without casting. 20 mana for the most broken keyword soup ever? Sign me the fuck up!
that would be amazing
The lack of regeneration is the real smack in the face the tarresk biggest stick was it regenerates always like a troll on steroids.
How does it not HAVE REACH?! ITS FIGHTING FLYERS IN ITS GOD DAMN ART WORK!
It's killed by a simple 1/1 deathtouch, just form its triggered ability, if your opponent only has that 1/1
Yup. No worse feeling for my SImic ramp deck to go up against deathtouch tribal.
a card that's literally entirely flavour, but not even incorporating the biggest part of the source material, like garlic bread, without the bread, you can easily taste the garlic and buttery goodness, but there's no satisfying crunch to complete the experience.
Time to build a Tarrasque Voltron commander deck to give this thing all the abilities it should have.
This radiats enormous true energy
This spell cannot be countered.
Trample. Hexproof. Annihilator 1.
If this card leaves the battlefield, instead exile it with 4 time counters and it gains Suspend.
Can only be truly killed by removing it from exile after suspended with Pull From Eternity.
@@Sauvenil the goal i was going for was if you remove it, you have a 4 turn window to try and end the game before it comes back. This should probably have reach though now that i think about it.
@@cooldes4593 Nodnod, but Pull From Eternity is a good Wish replacement ;)
The last time I played against a Tarrasque, it died to fighting my Varis, Silverymoon Ranger. Ha.
None of it really fits the tarrasque except the stats. I'd make it 8/8 with trample and intimidate and "If this creature would be targeted with a spell or ability controlled by an opponent, roll a d20.
1-4: Do nothing.
5-16: Counter the spell or ability.
17-20: Copy the spell or ability then counter the original spell or ability. You may choose new targets for the copy. " I think this would fit the tarrasque better. It also uses the new roll 20 mechanic. And that fits the tarrasque original reflective carapace ability better than ward.
Thank you for this! Also Asmodeus, he’s literally the scariest thing you can come across in the OG monster’s manual, they also shafted him 😫
Tarrasque is a joke in mtg. After reading the card first time(with no context) it seemed mediocre at best. When I asked my DM friend what Tarrasque is in DND, he gave me approximately 20 pages of explanations of his abilities and why it is almost impossible to kill. I don't care. Make it 20 mana and can't be cheated into play but it must live up to it's name and mythic rarity.
Huge whiff on this card. It’s like someone just gave them a picture of it and they sent that to an artist then they just made the card according to the picture, which is still dumb since it don’t have trample.
It does have ward, which fits, but no trample? I don’t think it would have been broken to add trample to the cast part.
It is targeted removal, though
It should have trample and haste by itself and then gain ward 10 plus an indestructible counter if cast from hand. It can keep the fight mechanic
It's really just missing trample. Fuck annihilator unless it's Eldrazi, fuck Regenerate altogether cause it's a weird ass mechanic and ward 10 is solid. I'm just very glad it doesn't get the ward on cheating it in, because that would be a fucking nightmare.
I like that the art shows it fighting flying characters (presumably a level 1 arachocra cleric who is about to wreck it)
imo, tarrasques text should be replaced with "trample, shroud, reach, indestructible. whenever the tarrasque attacks, destroy target permanent"
I was JUST thinking yesterday how keywords are no longer unique to colors. Like you said with Haste on green, Lifelink is on every black card now. So now that game flavor of uniqueness is gone :/
The color pie had green and black included as secondary color for haste for several years now.
It's still red's thing first and foremost.
But it definitely has gotten more prominent in green lately.
Hasn't lifelink been on black before already?
At least we didn’t get another over the top undercosted block of text like questing beast and elder gargaroth
It’s really cool as a mimmioplasm target… kinda… it’s the only place I’ve found a home for the sad card. I just wanted him to feel included.
Whole reason I got into Magic was I wanted to play big monsters! I'm a timmy. Showed my friend Magic, same thing, he was like nah I don't care about some cheap combo I wanna get out this giant 15/15 ape. So I appreciate they still make these cards but if I owned this, I still wouldn't play it, its bad
Honestly, everything you just discussed about Tarrasque has me thinking it would or should have been treated like an Eldrazi titan from Rise of the Eldrazi in the first Zendikar set. Simple movement has it crushing through entire towns? That's annihilator right there. Inherent ability to withstand massive destructive spells? Sounds clearly like indestructible to me. Only issue I see being that by giving it both those things, it seems to have a little too much in common with Ulamog the Infinite Gyre.
Instead it feels like they did their best to go in that direction but keep what it could do mostly within the sphere of the green color pie, which demonstrably made it weaker in every sense. I personally would have given it a (albeit cheap) annihilator at level 2. But also something more take away the cast trigger. That way you can cheat it into play and just have a nice nasty beater who cant be targeted by much of anything save a board wipe and can slap your opponent silly the moment it came into play.
Sad WotC didnt see fit to even give this legendary creature of DnD the time of day. One of my biggest complaints with both attempts to dive into the DnD World when bringing it over to MTG. Go wild with the IP! Celebrate its charm in a style that stays TRUE and ACCURATE to the majority of the creatures and their respective lore. If said creature ends up being too powerful simply dont include that creature/legend and move onto something iconic that DOES work with in the realm of both MTG and DnD whilst remaining as fair and balance as you can stomach.
very well said
Acidic Slime is better than Tarrasque.
I think that instead of annihilator it should destroy a land every time it attacks.
@@thomasfplm or wall
@@durttheelder4035, or creature with Defender.
5e did the Tarrasque dirty. In previous additions, you could only Wish it from existence, and only when it was already at 0 HP.
Now, a clay golem can punch it to death from inside of its own stomach.
5e basically took away it's Regen for some reason. Other than that. If you kill it or even wish it dead. It comes back in 100 years. You can't banish it. The thing never stops coming back. Luckily it's 1 of a kind. No more. No less.
Not sure why you feel 5e did it dirty.
I don't mind it being unplayable, I mind it being WEAK. Sure, most Eldrazis are never cast, only cheated into play: they still feel huge, dangerous, great.
It doesn't even have Trample. Such a big whiff. It should have Indestructible, Hexproof and Trample keywords.
Shortly after I read a d&d book about this guy I pulled a foil version and just like you I read it and was extremely disappointed that this is what we got for a monster like this
Damn bro top notch video! Can't wait to see you get more recognition!! +1 sub
The issue is that they based the card off the 5e tarrasque where any level one with sufficient speed and a ranged weapon can kill it.
And enough ammo
@@russman3787 lol, who tracks ammo in 5e?
When I pulled my Tarrasque, I wsa confused. "Why the fuck does it have a shit ward and haste if it doesn't have trample/indestructable/hexproof? I'm supposed to be terrified of it, not laughing at it."
I thought about tiamat the same way I thought she would have a zacama theme going on not just another dragon tutor card
What's scarier?:
-Any goblin
-The Tarrasque
It should have trample regardless, ward 10 maybe for flavor. But I think a shuffle back into the owners library if it is put into the graveyard or exiled would be great since if the Tarrasque is "defeated" it just goes into hibernation. If you keep that it can fight a monster, you should increase it to up to 3 target creatures because of multi-attack. And a personal flair would be to add that the Tarrasque cannot change controllers so no mind control effects work. This would make a terrifying creature and give the Tarrasque back some of its dignity.
Yeah, I feel that the people that designed both of the D&D sets were sorely lacking in their understanding of the game. Don't get me wrong, some of the cards were good, but I feel there were a lot more misses than hits. My main grip was that in the Forgotten Realms set, you had Mordenkainen as a Planeswalker. That character is from Oerth (Greyhawk), not Faerun (Forgotten Realms). A huge flavor fail for me.
Yes, Mordenkainen he is from another world, or plane if you will and visits the Frogotten Relms, thus a Planeswalker. Actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
I guess Wizards is doubling down on their own old mistakes. While the Terrasque is always being described as the ultimate monster in D&D throughout the editions, it never was. When Wizards took over D&D, they kept that tradition alive. They still do, it seems.
It should have started as an e chantment or transform card that had some kind of timer before it could transform and be a baddass. Basically you would have to wait for it to wake up.
"cool creature bro" -1/1 snake token with death touch
it's not even indestructable. I should be tougher than Emerkiul...
This card beat that green phyrexian in brawl and I cried with enjoyment
I don't think it should have annihilator, but it should have mantle, trample and should go back to the grimoire if it would go to the graveyard or exiled.
It could also have regeneration.
I think the ward 10 is because wizards is trying to phase out hexproof but I’m not sure
Needed Trample and bite instead of fight. Flavor wise it should also have regeneration and a d20 roll if an opponent actually pays the ward cost. On a 15+ you get to redirect the spell to any other creature.
Dude, I absolutely crush with Terasque with my Rutstien deck. It's insane.
I was hoping this card would be like super emrakul. Just absurdly expensive and stupid strong. I want it to have trample that when it deals damage via trample that damage is doubled for something crazy like that.
Killed by a single level 20 barbarian
So I'd you ask me both the D&D version and the card are meh, the actual mythical creatures is a giant lion with a man face, 6 legs and a unbreakable turtle shell
Honestly, this is how I feel about most of the AINFR and BG sets
Why is the background music the background music from Frogger the Great Quest lol
HOW the terrasque doesn't have temple?
That's mind blowing.
"Ward 10, Trample, Annihilator (4? 6? It'd obviously be playtested and tuned.)
If The Tarrasque would be destroyed, regenerate it and put (2? 3?) slumber counters on it.
While the Tarrasque has slumber counters, it cannot attack or block.
At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a slumber counter from The Tarrasque."
Maybe it's cheap but gets the slumber counters on ETB?
Note that this means a player can trigger it's regenerate to put more slumber counters on it even while it's already asleep, to keep it out the game.
Much like how a player can try to prevent a regenerating Tarrasque from getting up by pushing it further into the negatives.
yeah, no trample basicly makes this mostly unplayable except sometimes it's played in Brawl as the commander.
Should have had Trample and "whenever it would be put into a graveyard, shuffle it into its owner's library". I think instead of Annihilator, it should have been something more like "When this deal combat damage to a player, destroy 2 lands that player controls."
That's 3rd Edition Tarrasque, 5e Tarrasque is way weaker.
They tend to avoid land destruction as of late. Kinda a dick move. They want players to play magic. Killing off lands is kinda the backwards.
@@joshshin6819 Normally I'd agree, but when you're talking about a 9-drop I think we're well past the point where destroying lands is "not letting your opponent play the game."
The Tarrasque has Trample, Haste and Ward 10 as long as it was cast
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, target land that player controls loses all abilities and becomes a wastes
Exactly. This card was a huge shame.
Imo it should have had haste and trample as baseline, ward 10 and indestructible counter on cast (to be similarly nearly unkillable like in dnd) and the fight mechanic should have been a Ram Through effect on up to 2 creatures defending player controls. Also give it a higher mana cost (12+) to balance that monstrosity if you really hardcast it. That way it's nasty when cheated out and legendarily rad when hardcast.
Tbh when I’d cheat this into play with Tibalts on turn 2 it was pretty damn savage 😂
Tarrasque should have been like progenitus mixed with an Eldrazi titan, Protection from Everything, annihilator 2, trample, if it would be put into the graveyard instead shuffle it into your library.
Take away all the abilities, give it trample and indestructible and if it ever dies or is sent to grave from battlefield it goes back to battlefield at the beginning of the next end step. The tarrasque will recover physical wounds underground anyways so that fits perfect on the flavor end way more than this
It's abilities feel more like a throw away temur colored mythic dino from ixalan
Some sort of suspend effect. With hexproof trample and indestructible would be hilarious. Maybe if it is removed from play and sent to the graveyard or exiled it instead is suspended.
I def felt after you cast from hand that if it is destroyed or exiled it comes back with suspend or something for free and wouldn't have say the ward 10 or haste anymore but would be a constant threat. Kinda like it is in dnd
@@joshshin6819 annihilator would have been fun too lol
Ok it for sure shouldn't have annihilator or regenerate bc regenerate has been discontinued and annihilator is specific to the RoE eldrazi but it should destroy permanents on attack and have trample. Ward 10 can stay bc I like big numbers. It should have the keywords regardless of how it hit the board. They could easily have made it bigger also. Flavorwise it'd be neat if it recurred itself too bc that is something the terrasque does in d&d (when defeated it returns to its slumber for a few thousand years or so). Also they didn't give it hexproof bc they're discontinuing that too and replacing it with ward.
Charging Badger is my favorite card in the game.
Annihilator is the most powerful keyword you can get. They would never put it back into standard.
6GGG
11/11
Trample, indestructible, ward discard 3 cards.
Pay 5 life: Regenerate
Any creature dealt combat damage by The Terrasque this turn that dies is exiled instead of going to it's owner's graveyard, exile any equipment that was attached to it.
When The Terrasque attacks the defending player sacrifices a land.
If The Terrasque would leave the battlefield to go to any zone other than the Command Zone, shuffle it into it's owner's library instead.
That is The Terrasque!
Terrasque deals extra damage to buildings and stuff, it doesn't care much about creatures.
Terrasque 6GGG
Legendary creature - Dino
Ward 10 (i like dis), trample
When this attacks, destroy each artifact on the battlefield. If no artifacts are destroyed this way, destroy each other creature on the battlefield.
At the beginning of your end step, put a +1/+1 counter on this for each permanent it destroyed this turn.
Idunno. Destroys buildings until there nowhere to hide, then ends the world kinda vibe? Just a quick shot at it
This is sorta... Busted not gonna lie.
Given how easy it is to cheat creatures on the field this is at its worse a turn 3 ninjutsu into a turn 5 win.
You could just give it all of progentitus stuff including the casting cost. Although ward 10 is quite thematic. Probably should have trample is most cases (doesn't need it with protection from everything i guess). I agree some form on anihilator would be intresting on it.
The only matchups where Tarrasque works well is against control decks that don't play creatures/only play a couple creatures. Which of course makes it impossible to play in Standard at the moment since even its full control decks use Planeswalkers that create 2/1 spiders that can block a 10/10 dinosaur with no damage spillover. Why it doesn't have trample is beyond me.
5e tarrasque is also pretty underwhelming imo, so this is kinda fitting.
I got to use this card with Delina wild surge and made three copy’s of the tarrasque
Ward ten make more sense then hexproof really. It would take more resources to take down a massive dinosaur. I think it's a solid keyword From that prospective.
i felt similar to Ancient Brontodon its an 8 cost 9/9 with no abilities it should have had reach and or trample especially with the flavor text they chose it feels like alot of dinos dont get very fitting keywords
I completely agree. I honestly think it should have trample, rampage, indestructible, shroud or heatproof, regenerate if destroyed, annihilator, and ward and possibly even protection. Haste isn't really needed on it and neither is the fighting thing. It could have some other kind of bypass like the ability to deal damage regardless if it was blocked or not. If you ask me they really did a disservice to it. The thing is that there are many common and uncommon creatures that are much better either because of mana cost being much lower or more powerful abilities or both in many cases. Heck every single one of the mythic dinosaurs from ixlan were better than this one card that should have been better based on the lore alone.
Is this is the more powerful CR20 version?
Or less powerful CR30 version of the tarasque?
I hope they do a secrest lair with Emrakul, Aeons Torn as the Tarrasque. Emrakul is the perfect fit.
How it doesnt have trample is a question for the ages.
btw when you say eldrazi you said it like el da razi when its said el dra zi/ze/z idk witch it would be to show how its pronunced i know that one of them is it but ya sorry if this comes off as rude if i didnt say somthing it would be like a un scratcheble itch also whats the whole mem behind charging badger is it just that its a 1/1 for 1 with trample or is it the name since charging bager seems more like the name for a hasted creature
Can still be cheated into play with haste with something like Hideaway ^^
Technically it does blow up 2 things when it attacks. Fight 1 blocker and get chump blocked by another. But yeah this should have been Emrakul levels of powerful but with some safety line to prevent it being reanimated or cheated into play (maybe like Phage's you lose the game unless you cast it)
Well, not "things" as in buildings (artifacts, lands). Merely one creature when fighting.
And then it gets blocked by some tiny foot soldier to avoid any further collateral damage.
Doesn't seem too flavorful to me honestly.
Really should have swapped Haste for Trample and either a bigger body or some other ability. Maybe swap out the fight effect for something.
Annihilator is never being put onto another new card, but maybe some psuedo-annihilator would work? Like it only makes you sac Nonlands or something
dont get me started on tiamat's card
I mean…maybe they might make more versions of it🤷🏽♂️
Card slaps in commander
All they had to do is add "Trample". How hard would that be?
it should have been a Eldrazi and had Annihilator. Then it would hint at a hidden connection that not even the wisest in DnD sages would know.
Does it travel the multiverse canonically?
Couldn’t agree more. Art is awesome. But dropped the ball on the rest
Should be the only non eldrazi card with annihilator 2 ability on 12/12 Trample body. If wizards dont like the annihilator then bring back Rampage and put it on Rampage 4. Remove the haste instead ETB destroy target land. Fight ability remains option or remove entirely and should have shroud. So you cant abuse the ETB.
?? "they shoulda put destroy 2 target permanents?" that's a little strong my guy
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same price and stats
Absorb 2, trample, annihilator 2, menace, ward 2
The first time each turn The Tarrasque would be destroyed this turn, regenerate it instead and UNTAP it.
Everytime The Tarrasque is targeted by a spell or ability an opponent controls, rolls a d6. If the result is 5, counter that spell or ability. If the result is 6 and that opponent controls a valid target, change the target of that spell or ability to a valid target chosen at random.
TAP: Target permanent loses indestructible until end of turn. Destroy that permanent. It can't be regenerated.
"
THIS would be a good legendary Terrasque
so youre using an ability only printed once with absorb, a storm scale 9 ability with anihilator, and an ability considered retire with regenerate. Not to mention its now a 10/10 for 9 with multiple forms of evasion and multiple removal spells stapled on. Thats busted and would be banned
And if you roll 1,the tarrasque starts dancing the tarantella napoletana with a cappuccino
@@filippogeirola8624 that's a genius irony
@@donb7519 THAT's a Tarrasque :D
yeah, making it costing like 16 and "can be played only by casting" would balance it out a bit
@@marcoottina654 if you make it cost 16 and dont let it be reanimated or cheated out no one would play it just like now
I got an alternate card art for The Terrasque and i was so sad it got fucked so hard
You mean ramp has to gulp.... spend mana for a big creature instead of just t3'ing name a card with annihilator via name a cheat in method and winning????
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh nooooooooo.......
yeah i was super bummed when i saw this.
This card won me my last game
Just being honest I think the Tarrasque in DnD versus other BBEG's like Asmodeus or Zuggtmoy pales in comparison so an underwhelming card is almost a funny nod off to that
As a DM for years, I agree. But keep my boy charging badger out of this conversation. He's done nothing wrong (unline this disappointment of a dino)
I couldnt agree more. This card isnt The Tarrasque I know.
You laugh at him until I put him out on turn 3 with a Fight rigging in standard lol
I mean the DnD set is a joke power level wise so.... it makes sense