Super Cub vs Bearhawk Patrol Wingtip to Wingtip Comparison
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I'm impressed at how well the Bearhawk performs!! Thanks for posting this comparo!! I really liked the discussion about real world short field ops vs STOL competition. Best regards from Brasilia, Brazil.
Really liked how you guys included airplane value. so we could evaluate cost / performance!
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Good ol’ Nick! Stand up guy.
Very good, be safe guys.
Great info, Jon. Appreciate it.
This stuff is fun. Jon, have you done a test comparing the differences between glide with coarse and with fine pitch on the prop? Thanks.
You guys just inspired me to pursue a tailwheel endorsement! Thanks for posting
Go for it!
I recently bought a newly finished bush plane with hours flown off with a brand new Lycoming 320 ... Its a Murphy Rebel ... Now its time for me to get my pilots license lol
Excellent stuff bro
Bearhawk is a fantastic design
Like how you get strait to the numbers .. even price of the planes ..
Nice vid BRO
Thanks
Another good one guys. How about comparing N2962D to a C180 and then comparing the Bearhawk Patrol to a Maule M4-180 or a Piper Pacer (160 or 180 hp) ? Thanks, love your videos.
Wonderful video :-)
hey question just like that would you be able to do a video of the operating cost of a pa-28 cherokee? thanks in advance!
You might compare useful load of each plane.
Nice flying!
About 100lbs more on the cub since it is lighter, both 2,000lbs gross weight
Hi could you do a comparison to a murphy rebel
With your C/S prop, can't your change the pitch for glide to improve the glide?
Hi how do like a fabric covered plane compared to all metal
Fun to see for sure. Go spend some time off airport at gross weight at the sheep camp and see how they fare......Sure most people don't fly that way. Thanks for posting!
Actually most people do fly that way. Which is why STOL comps with nothing in the airplane are dumb and don't showcase real world performance.
Flying empty still compares two planes ... full they will both do it faster but the comparisons are still valid ... Everyone knows full you land faster and longer , take off longer ..... and any decent pilot knows this and decides if there is enough makeshift runway ..
Great vid! Looking for the link to Nick's. Maybe I'm blind.
Should be in there...two lines down in the description
Did you feather the Bearhawk prop on the glide?
The descent capability is likely more to do with huge flaps than prop drag.
I 'd love a bearhawk. Are they moderately easily available to buy?
Definitely happy to see the comparisons coming! I've been wanting to see this since you got the Patrol from Mark...
What are your overall thoughts/opinions on the Patrol?
We'll post a video down the road for a summary when we hit 200hrs on it
Patrol has an o360? Awesome airplane.
Awesome Video 👍😁. What is the useful load
770lbs on the Patrol, Cub is a little more
Awesome. I’m looking at purchasing a aircraft, but I’m limited on Useful Load without paying a King’s Ransom for it.
Did you feather the prop for the glide test? I have an 83” trailblazer on my 170 and it makes a noticeable difference.
yessir, that will help.
I have a question does the Bearhawk 4place have a different wing? Great comparison, I love the Cubs but I really like the Barrows design and would love to build a 4 or a 5
I think the latest 4 place B model has the same Ribblet airfoil as this patrol but different gross.
4 place model B is the same wing as Patrol, the 4 place has more reinforcement for the higher gross weight and thicker wing skins
The CSU could make a difference to the glide performance depending upon the settings🤔 I’d like to see a comparison to residual values on PA18 vs Bearhawk. The PA18 is quite a good investment.
I don't know of any Patrols that have been around long enough to compare values longterm to a cub
It's not an apples-to-apples comparison of course...
A certificated Super Cub (ie; pa-18) is a money-maker in the bush. An experimental Patrol is NOT. This is not a knock on the Patrol whatsoever--but you simply cannot compare the "value" of a certificated aircraft to that of an experimental aircraft, when 1) the market sets the value, and 2) an aircraft such as the SC is *highly* prized in places like AK and Canada. You cannot fly an experimental aircraft in a Part 135 operation in the same manner as one certified under FAR Part 23.
So then, you really need to ask yourself what the value of both aircraft is to a non-commercial operator? I don't know how you'd differentiate that though, other than using something like a Javron (or Airframes Alaska, etc) wide-body cub against the Patrol. THAT is the question you really need to ask.
Maybe I missed it, what's the engine comparison? Makes a big difference to the takeoff. So do the small tires.
What length of cord are the BH VGs located at?
Landing, as you've acknowledged it is a chalk and cheese comparison when one pilot is super current and experienced, whereas the other is still developing their skills.
I will be fascinated to watch the BH Patrol on 31s flown by sometime with 500+ hours on the airframe, beside a Cub with the same.
Send us a pair of 31s! :)
@@fly8ma.comflighttraining199 isn't the plane on loan from Bearhawk Aircraft already?
There's actually a skilled Patrol pilot with a Bearhawk Patrol on 31s up there in AK. Maybe easier to get him to help out with comparison flights :)
@@whosaidyoucandance There is a couple very old videos of a Patrol with 31's up in Alaska, haven't seen anything in a long time otherwise. I'm sure it was bare bones, as it looked like a cub with its performance. The patrol is a awesome plane, But its hard to beat the Cub for Alaska!! Mainly due to useful load and supply.. If there were as many Patrols as Cub's up there then you would more than likely see closer performance....
Witch one carries more moose meat? I’ll take that one
Seriously after watching the video and seeing the difference in price there’s no comparison you also have to take into consideration the availability of parts
...and the fact that you can use the certificated pa-18 in a Part 135 operation, should that be your choice.
The term "value" has different meanings to different people. If your intention is to fly the aircraft in a Part 135 operation (or even a Part 91 "sight-seeing" role), then there is simply no choice. But if you're a private owner flying the aircraft for personal, non-commercial, use, then that's where the discussion gets interesting. For instance--go look at a new experimental "wide-body" SC clone once. Whereas you can built a Patrol from quick-build kits for that $150k mark, can you build the same experimental wide-body SC for that money? Possibly--but I've seen several that are listed for well over $200k.
For me, after watching this video, I'd take the Patrol--and I'm a CFI, and an A&P. It's roomier (I'm well over 6' tall, and am not as light as I used to be), and I don't need to be an IA in order to license it every year. But these are personal-use observations: I would not be giving dual instruction in my personal aircraft, due to liability concerns. Also, the fact that in 1972 Piper was still using (mainly) 1025 alloy tubing tells me that I will likely have to worry about fatigue at some point: In fact there's an NTSB investigation of recent rudder spar fractures that is sitting on the FAA's desk right now, recommending an AD to swap out the 1025 steel rudder post with one of 4130 steel. Ironically, after 6/3/1974 Piper changed to using 4130 tubing for things like the rudder post--but the SC in this video wouldn't have 4130 in its tail, unless someone has modified it previously...which is quite possible. The other thing people have to consider though is that many aviation insurance companies apparently won't offer FULL hull insurance on experimental aircraft. I've not investigated it myself as I don't have an experimental aircraft. However I've read a number of threads on supercub.org regarding hull coverage ending when the wheels leave the ground. So then if that's the case and there really are significant limitations to what they'll cover, do you really to risk your investment each time you take your experimental aircraft out into the bush if it's not going to be covered? I would definitely want to get that clarified before going the route of an EAB aircraft.
But that all notwithstanding, if we restrict ourselves to an apples-to-apples comparison of a private owner (ie; using the aircraft in a non-commercial role), I'd argue that the Patrol stacks up VERY well against the SC-style of aircraft. However for anything other than that mission, especially if you want to fly the SC for hire/charter, you simply cannot make a valid comparison of the "value" of these two aircraft. That's not an endorsement or a condemnation of either plane...just a statement of fact.
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Nice, you forgot to tell us the weight ;)
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