Nobody dying or being mortally wounded by lightsabers anymore has really ruined the franchise for me more than anything the sequel trilogy ever did. It defeats the purpose of "Wars" in Star Wars. Main characters don't die, side characters don't die, disposable characters might die off screen, but do they? It all makes the experience cheap and makes me just not care.
It reminds me of someone saying (it might've even been this channel that said this) that Star Wars has become like a child playing with action figures and toys or classical action cartoons: making epic and grand battles that constantly one-up the ever prior one and resulting in dramatic deaths... until the next episode. The franchise, in a sense, has become zombified and undead; Disney unwilling to let anything ever die.
That is one reason I appreciated the Clone Wars. On multiple occasions you see Jedi and clones actually die and sacrifice themselves to protect others. Those are the heroes that are not shown very often anymore. Ezra's arc should have ended in Rebels where he has sacrificed himself with no ability to return to the Star Wars galaxy
In my opinion, so many Jedi characters surviving order 66 really defeats the heavy impact of that tragedy. Don’t misunderstand me I’m cool with people surviving that horrible night, but I think Disney is overdoing it. I think Mace Windu should stay “gone”. For crying out loud, Disney has ignored the Brutal consequences of being stabbed by a light saber.
I mean I am fine with survivors since even if 100-200 Jedi survived, that is only like 1% of the entire Order surviving. And it is still a tragedy since the majority of them would be hunted down and killed within the 19 years between the end of the Clone Wars and the destruction of the Death Star. Mace Windu though shouldn't be brought back though since I am tired of characters dying or being given mortal wounds and surviving. Sabine being stabbed with a lightsaber comes to mind.
Darth Maul surviving being cut in half was really the beginning of this, with Palpy surviving getting blowed up was the ultimate expression of the nonperformance of death in SW. but if you think about it, Ben Kenobi was the OG survivor of death by lightsaber.
The fact that anybody can somehow survive lightsaber stabs and blaster shots in Disney Star Wars truly make's death incredibly inconsequential and make's the stakes feel nonexistent.
Ok let's not pretend this is a Disney thing. Leia brushed off a blaster shot to her shoulder like it was mildly uncomfortable and Maul survived getting cut in half because he was really mad. There are a lot of other things you can critique Disney star wars for
@@ALeaud Reva was impaled with TWO lightsabers, yet, somehow, she managed to be chasing Luke on Tatooine by the time Vader and Obi-Wan fought. That gave her, what, a few hours to recuperate? NO!!
@@johnhoran9840 You know what? I don't even have a problem with Vader letting a Jedi turn to the dark side and join the Inquisitorious just to take a stab at him while pretending he doesn't know. That kind of arrogance and mindgames is very sith-like Although I think that behavior would be more suitable for Palpatine. The actual problem is that she didn't die when he killed her! Not once, BUT TWICE!
@@AndrewAce. Yeah, letting her live as a child so she can be recruited as an Inquisitor I can get, but after he's done with her? I said at the time that the Vader from the OT would have killed her in that scene where he lifts her and throws her across the room. She never would have said a word before dying.
9:51 - "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will." His motivations are explored in The Empire Strikes Back. He's already fallen to the Dark Side when the story begins. Why, oh, WHY do we need more than that? As for his depiction in the OT, he's already Emperor. In his mind, he's already won and he cannot bring himself to take seriously the Rebellion. In fact, an evil person likely would not *care* if what he was doing was 'good' or 'evil' so long as he was getting what he wants, although outwardly he would say what he needed to in order to justify his actions to others like "we shall have peace" meaning the fighting is over because I won.
Hey Thor, I was wondering if you have ever seen the cut scenes of Attack of the Clones, specifically the ones involving Anakin and Padme. I think they add some much needed depth to the character's relationship and would love to see them fully finished, which brings me to my next question; Do you think Disney would ever consider doing "special editions" of the prequel trilogy and potentially bring George back to help them with it. There could be some serious money made with these, but of course we all know Disney seems to be allergic to making money these days.
2:50 “Like it or not but some things in life must be accepted” this is the crux of why modern Star Wars does this though. Disney and their teams of DEI consultants disagree with this, in their eyes you can be whatever you want to be, and reality can’t stop you, not do your actions have consequences. They refuse to accept that some things cannot be undone or changed, and so while these things can’t be changed in reality, when they write stories they will insert their worldview, even if it is completely unrealistic. It’s a toxic and delusional mentality, but it is the mentality held by so many in modern Hollywood, and it is a poison to storytelling.
It means that there are no longer any stakes, and so no tension. In the past lightsaber duels felt like tense afairs where a songle mistake could lead to death. And now that is gone.
Bringing Windu back would've only been a good idea if they already didn't revive everyone else. George Lucas stated he believed Windu survived. Naturally, he would've died over the 20 years but that was who they should've done a series about
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader Dathomir featured outside that book. And here comes Filoni and Katie Lucas to misrepresent it in TCW, by design, because Filoni _loves_ it when something is different from source material, then plays it up during interviews to claim he _doesn't_ want to change it, which is pure horse hockey.
7:37 On the emperor’s change of approach... I like the Plagueis novel's explanation. DP was alive during the time of the prequels. -Post 66 and post ascension by Palpatine.- It was a front. That and a division of duties GalaxyForce. Basically Palp was a more effective apperentice than master and couldn't hold the bag.
Without death, finality, and consequences, stories are fundamentally nihilistic (i.e. meaningless). “No one’s ever really gone” is frankly the modern writers’ projection of their worldview, tbh.
Mace is the one character I dont mind bringing back for a short bit but I feel like he would need to die before ANH. The only problem is Disneys execution with Kenobi and BoBF doesn't really inspire any confidence and its not a story that will have a lot of meaning just more nostalgia.
While I agree with Thor that George Lucas probably didn't imagine Palpatine as the mastermind he was in the prequels when he created the original trilogy, there are at least two ways to reconcile the changes in Palpatine between the two trilogies. One could argue that Shiv Palpatine had put most of his mental effort into subverting the Republic and destroying the Jedi and underestimated the threat to his rule after he had won. He could have assumed that once he had gained control over his new Empire, he would have few challenges. There is also the possibility that Palpatine's mind wasn't as sharp as it once was during the time of the original trilogy. Beyond the who matter of possible dementia, there is the question of the long term effects of tapping into the dark side of the Force might have been on his mind. I am not a master of Star Wars lore, but I could easily see Sith Lords becoming more paranoid as they grew older, It might be natural for them to trade the subtle cleverness they enjoyed while younger for a tendency to lash out violently. Thus the change in Darth Sidious from the prequel trilogy to the original trilogy might have been the natural path of the Sigh. That's just a guess on my part. I also suspect that taking a heavy dosage of his own force lightning during his confrontation with Mace Windu didn't do his brain any favors.
I mean. Mace, different from other characters from the prequel, has a very clear meaning for the plot. He is the epitome of what the Jedi were during the Republic era and he clearely represents that since his first moment on screen opposing Qui Gon. This opposition is later on transfered to Anakin to, once again, make a clear point on how the Jedi Council had grown incompetent and blind during peace times and allowed for the evil to flourish and nurture from their dogmatic and passive nature. So, when we see his death caused by a decision took by Anakin it is very powerfull and has a lot of weight. It represents Anakin rising up and doing something in face of the fear of losing his wife while also truthly believing he is going to save the woman he loves. It also represents the death of the Jedi as the followup scene is the execution of order 66. Yet, it goes without saying, that the point Sam Jackson made is undoubtable. We've seen weaker character survive much worse before. It really breaks the immersion to think that what we've seen in Revenge of the Sith was the end for Mace while a (particularly incapable) Inquisitor survives getting impaled by a Lightsaber twice thought the span of 1 show, or the same happens to a mandalorian teenager. Its gotten old by this point. Lightsaber fights have no longer weight, tension nor choreography and - to me - everything involving them, when it comes to Disney, is borderline insulting.
Introduction: It wasn't long after I began writing Star Wars that I realized the story was more than a single film could hold. As the saga of Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at least nine films to tell--three trilogies--and I realized, in making my way through the back story and after story, that I was really setting out to write the middle story. After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story--however many films it took to tell--was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories that I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga. This legacy began with Splinter of the Mind's Eye, published less than a year after the release of Star Wars. Written by Alan Dean Foster, a well-known and talented science-fiction author, Splinter was promoted as a "further adventure" of Luke Skywalker. It hit the bookstores just as I was preparing to write my own "further adventure" of Luke, in the form of a script entitled The Empire Strikes Back. It seems only fitting, after all these years, that Splinter would be republished as I prepare once again to write another further adventure set a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away... - George Lucas
13:30 - the problem with this is they were already grabbing game material to put into other shows with tweaked context, like Obi-Wan aping the end of Fallen Order.
The thing is that bringing back Windu wouldn't make sense and probably destroy the character. His return would be the most believable, though, as basically every other return was bs and Maul started this trend. As far as I know it even was Lucas' idea. But the problem in Windu's case is that he got a satisfying death. The thing I was most worried about going into RotS was that he might duel Anakin and lose to him which would have really cheapened that badass character for me. So the way he died was satisfying. Also: let's assume he survived: Mace isn't the character who would sits back while thie Sith terrorize the galaxy. Mace loved the republic and the order. He would have done everything he could to stop the Sith. And a potential return would most likely result in him being killed by Vader. That's absolutely not what I want to see.
For Mace it's alright with me if they'd bring him back bc his fall still could be survivable, but I hate that they brought back Maul. In CC it was alright bc it's not canon for me, but Disney made that canon.
Death in Star Wars has already been massively undermined; They may as well bring back Mace at this point. People already pick & choose what they view as canon anyway.
Bringing people back is a cheap trick to heighten tension without having to face long term consequences. There are no stakes anymore when characters are resurrected or survive fatal wounds.
Mace surviving is less ridiculous than Maul surviving, and I'm not really a fan of either if truth be told. Not that I didn't enjoy Sam Witwer's voice performance, but it's always felt like fan fiction / wish fulfillment. I actually felt the same way about Dark Empire way back when with Palpatine. Fun ideas for fans but not really great story telling.
A couple of videos ago I made a joke about Dragon Ball power levels if there was a similar thing in Star Wars, and dead characters returning is also kinda a Dragon Ball thing. I mean, basically no character in DB has ever died except some from the original series, they always either turn like Yamcha, Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta or Beerus and become allies or they get resurrected like Frieza and Uub. And Star Wars is getting to the same point if they keep bringing back dead characters for “star value” alone.
There wasn't a rogue's gallery in the original era of Dragon Ball though, villains that were defeated never really returned as villains (unless you count the movies?), and I'd be curious to see if Goku's friends are always around in the original manga because it feels like such a filler thing, I'm not saying that they died but maybe they simply walked out of the story and stopped wasting screen time.
@@holdingpattern245 not a rogues gallery per se, but you had Yamcha as a sort-of antagonist first, then he became Goku’s friend, Tien was the antagonist in the 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi and then became Goku’s friend after, Piccolo was the antagonist of the King Piccolo arc and then became Goku’s friend, and so on.
In my opinion, Mace Windu is a brilliant character who deserves more screen time. But I think the best way to do that is by a prequel and maybe a recast. Samuel Jackson is too old to play a young version of the character (if he comes back from the dead then fine).
Hey Thor, any ideas for new planets/climates you would like to see in Star Wars? I mean, we’ve already had quite the variety in terms of planets that are entirely one ecosystem (desert, jungle, forest, swamp, skyscraper, snow, California, Italy, lava, etc). Are there any planets currently in the roster whose ecosystem you would particularly enjoy visiting, or ones you would like to see? For me, coruscant and dagobah have some of the best vibes.
It’s not just Star Wars. Other television and books that I’ve read in the past few years just don’t want any of their characters to stay dead. It cheapens the loss and makes us not believe it when characters appear to die.
Back as a kid watching Revenge of the Sith, naturally I wished more Jedi survived. But slowly growing up I eventually realised that the number of deaths made Order 66 so impactful. I don't mind a few Jedi surviving the initial stages of the Purge. A few would have survived and the Empire would hunt them down later. But if they keep bringing those who clearly died...what was even the point of Order 66? And that is what so many current writers fail to understand. The death of characters gives weight to the world. It gives the audience the feeling that anyone could die. If everyone keeps surviving what should kill them, we are not going to care because we know it will be fine. As has already happened...**cough** Palpatine **cough** Sabine...
Darth Maul's return in The Clone Wars cartoons was fantastic but I never thought it was ...*cough*... canonical. And that's how you do this kind of fan service resurrection stuff: jump medium and forget the timeline . Want to cross over to feature film again? Total recast.
14:00 Star Wars: Rebellion is an excellent game. 2 player. Lots of depth and strategy. If you want something lighter and for more players, there’s Jabba’s Palace: A Love Letter game is a bluffing game based off of the popular Love Letter card game. If you want something mid weight, there are Star Wars versions of Risk that are really fun.
Hey Thor Star Wars: Rebellion on board game geek is ranked 10 overall and 5 thematic. Its 2 players, perfect if your wife likes those kinda games too. It feels like you're in control of the events of the original trilogy!
That's why, in some sense, I would suggest there was a group of curators in charge of deciding what belongs to cannon or not: I know the legal owner of the franchise is the one officially having that job but in cases such as that of Disney SW; Starwars has been going through phases which destroy the foundations of original SW.Every franchise has an essence and in some cases, the business owning the brand takes flawed paths making everything so contradictory and trashy that a massive deletion and starting from zero is required...
Hey Thor, lately i've been thinking about how JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson went against George Lucas's lore in Star Wars. JJ said in an interview with Slashfilm that he didn't believe in midichlorions and said that the Force was a power anyone can achieve just by believing in it and it's not based on how many midichlorions you have. I am aware of the 'Karate' quote from George, but it is worth noting that was taken from 1981 and i don't think that was ever implied in the prequels, so I think it's possible he may have changed his mind over time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think George has said anything lately to support the 'Karate' quote and I'd argue that if it wasn't referenced recently and if his films, the prequels, contradicted it, then the quote is no longer relevent. Anyway, as for Rian, his definition of balance was equal light and equal dark, which goes against what George established in the prequels, where it's the very presence of the Sith that causes unbalance. I have this sneaking suspicion that JJ and Rian chose not to reach out to George Lucas for his input on their ideas, because they both knew he'd say 'no'. I think if you are going to adapt or continue someone else's work, or add something new, it needs to abide by these two things: 1. Don't contradict anything the creator established. 2. It has to be met with the creator's approval. Sure, it is likely reaching out to George didn't cross JJ or Rian's minds, but either way it shows they should not have been involved with Star Wars. They had no right to just do whatever they wanted.
Whats funny about Rians idea of balance is the OT ends with Luke dooming the galaxy into imbalance even though thats clearly not what is happening. Say what you want about the Mortis Arc or any other George quotes but the idea is clearly that balance is restored in ROTJ.
💯 thinking Windu shows up in season 2 of Kenobi. Sam Jackson has played hollywood game long enough to know he doesn't just get to say whatever he wants to press. Disney is also notorious at this point for NDAs to cast and crew, fake scripts or just outright barring them from having interviews at all. SLJ says this with Disney's permission. If Disney really wants to sell Kenobi season 2 on Vader vs Windu. That's a terrible idea. It shows Disney's true lack of understanding of SW in general but Windu as a character. Although I would believe that Anakin would defeat Mace, Vader would get damn near aced. Vader is effectively a quintessential example of purified hatred and selfishness. Dark side in it's purest form. Windu definitely defeats Palpatine in episode 3. Lucas confirmed that. He won because of Vapaad. He used Palpatine's dark side against him. You can see this manifest as he fights Palpatine. He struggles at first but gains more control of the duel as Palpatine channels dark side more and more. The more he dark side taps, the more effective Vapaad becomes. A bit over explained but Vader defeating Windu would really be a travesty.
I've read some FABULOUS fanfictions of Mace Windu's survival. But they're just fan fictions. What I wouldn't mind is a Star Wars WHAT IF Show that featured different destinies of Windu or Padme or Yoda or Anakin or Obi-Wan, etc. If done right, it'd be really cool. But Sadly, I don't trust anything Kathleen Kennedy has her hands in.
On one hand yes so many people surviving is a problem. On the other hand Windu is one of these characters people theorized to have survived since like day 1. He deserve to live past order 66 more than Ahsoka (hot take but whatever). The problem is not Windu surviving. The problem is too many survived BEFORE him which makes people like Windu who deserve to come back be seen as not interesting. Personally I always imagined Windu survived and was the only jedi Palpatine hunted down himself instead of sending Vader or Inquisitors
Despite this series being in a galaxy far far away, people still die when they are killed. When that's not the case, the stakes are really hard to invest in if anyone can get retconned back into existence.
Windu is dead. Gone. For good. We all saw that. These Disney clowns can't come up with new, interesting characters? It's a multi billion dollar company. They are so lazy. It's getting worse by the minute.
Fakeouts lose impact every time you do it. The fact Star Wars has done it before *isn't* a justification for why Windu somehow returning is fine; it's the exact reason why it's not
Will we get Lucas’ vision for the Old Republic since Legends is no longer canon? The rough timeline of the Old Republic era as we got in Legends was and is still canon. The reason why everything seemed to be rinse cycle and repeat for the Old Republic era was because Lucas kept moving the events closer to the movie era because nobody in the modern developed world seems to understand how things can seem to stay stagnant for long. I mean in the Original Star Wars movie, the Republic has stood for a thousand generations 20,000 + years, and the Jedi had served as guardians of justice and peace for all of that time. In the Prequels, Lucas slipped up with two lines; 1). The Republic has only been around for 1,000 years or so. 2). That the Sith used to rule the galaxy. When asked about that contradiction, Lucas did his usually “well it has always been that way.” The thing is, was that Lucas wanted everything to fit within a greater continuity, including the Legends stories. Because even Lucas couldn’t keep his own continuity straight, let alone the various groups and writers developing of the early EU stories. So everything thing that Lucas contributed to the lore, was what the EU writer developed their stories around. But now, since they were developed out of house, the old EU stories for the Old Republic are largely just legends, hence Legends. But the timeline is still canon, because that came from Lucas, and Lucas demanded a continuity to keep everything straight. That Lucas decided to retool things for the prequels, and had to come with an excuse to cover his mistake, only added to the lore and provided fuel for new stories for the EU writer to develop, which made Lucasfilm money and by extension, Lucas money.
Since there already was a Old Luke comic made by fans, I hope that somebody makes the Lucas' Sequels fan made, because let's be honest fans makes the best Star Wars anything since Disney bought Lucasfilm. I'm loving my binge watching of fanfilms, so maybe they can even make an animated show by fans of the Lucas' Sequels.
The Sith believe that since they were blessed with power above nearly everyone, that it means that it is their right to rule. The right of the strongest or most crafty to rule. That only they can bring order to the universe. And the reason why the universe is not perfect, is because the weak and/or the weak minded rule.
Hey Thor, do you think there’s a possibility that Disney could release the theatrical cuts of the OT in a few years in honor of the 50th anniversary? I think there are plenty of people that desperately want the original cuts of the films that don’t have access-it would be a gold mine for Disney.
Under what conditions would you accept these revivals? I personally feel like if there were more permanent deaths of characters would work for me. Maybe if they made the character returns better like with Maul.
hey thor, would you be interested in getting streaming series (either animated or live action) based on the remaining unfinished clone wars arcs that were turned into other media like dark disciple?
I usually agree with you on this topic unless there's still a good story to be told. I'd argue bring maul back in TCW and boba in the EU really helped their characters. If bringing mace windu back could result in an amazing story for mace windu or maybe darth vader or boba fett, i wont mind. The story has to come first though, and if its another rise of palpatine situation ill pass.
They should bring back the whole "Legends" thing, continue it, people don't care that much about Disney-SW, but they do care about the original "Expanded Universe", like a lot. Just killing a shit ton of books & comics, declaring it non-existend, and having the nerve to say there's no source material, was the most stupid, tactical error in the history of tactical errors whatsover. 😂 In a sense of marketing, financials, trust, and common sense.
I would say that Palpatine claiming he was doing good for the Galaxy was more his rationalization than his actual motivation. At his core, he craved power. He simply told himself, though in different words, “besides, the Galaxy will be better off for it.” That’s something important to recognize in characters, especially when they are doing bad things (be they objectively, contextually or subjectively bad). There’s motivation, the true reasons driving the characters’ actions, and then there’s rationalization, the things characters will tell themselves or others as to why their actions are good or justified.
Have the sequel Trilogy be the 'what if', add it to Legends and lets have a fresh start. If they decide to make a movie/show inspired by a game I vote for Tie Fighter, awesome dogfights and truly seeing the war from the perspective of a regular Imperial, a bit like Andor but the focus ONLY the Empire
Legends fans have been begging for new stories for nine years, and the best we get is to treat it like a dumping grounds for Disney's non-canon works? No, I refuse to accept that.
In regard to "Palpatine thinking he's right" vs "Dark Siders seeking power," I wanted to ask would you be interested in a story where a Jedi turns to the Darkside (briefly) to balance the Force just to end up losing everything/everyone he loves and spending the rest of his life cut off from the Force in order not to dip back into the Darkside? Thought this could be a fun story idea for you to write!
I mean isn’t Palpatine extreme mastermindy in ROTJ? He’s always telling Vader what’s gonna happen that he has planned out and foreseen, and he does the whole trap thing with the Death Star 2 being non operational when it really is, letting the rebels get fake plans etc.
If they did ever turn it into something I wouldn't want it to be a comic book I'd want it to be a series of novels because if it's a comic book I would never read it if it was a novel I wouldn't read either but it would have the chance to be on audiobook
Hey Thor, it’s been confirmed that the game Director for the first two Jedi games stig asmussen will not be returning in the third game. Do you think this will have a minor or a major blow on the third game? It is currently in developments, but still given that Star Wars games don’t have a good history third with installments and EA is EA. I can’t help with fear that it’s in big trouble. The first two games combine with their characters are some of my favorite things that come from Star Wars since Disney bought the IP and again a small part of me can’t help but assume the worst…
If you must do a Mace Windu series just deep fake Sam Jackson and make it a prequel or have it take place during the Clone War. He's a pretty underdeveloped character all things considered in the new canon at least so that would make more sense.
Just remember solar system dominating super weapons get irreparably decimated by one well Placed shot of a vastly underpowered weapon, but an individual being dismembered, electrocuted, and tossed from the top of a super sky scrapper, totally survivable no big deal.
I dislike all this. It cheapens the sacrifice and finality of death. This in part is why Rogue One was great. I also heard Cara Dune died on the way back to her home planet...
Hey Thor, what do you think, were the Star Wars Story Spin-off movies all in all good and should we have gotten more of them? What would you or Sailor Naboo have liked to have seen? Also, I think you talked about this some time ago, but do you think the end of the Stories was due to Solo failing and follow-up, was that really Solo’s fault or backlash from Last Jedi, in your opinion?
Hey Thor, do you think the live action Star Wars content could return to legacy planet's like Hoth, Kashyyk, Endor, Bespin, and Kamino? Tatooine and Corescant are the only planets that get love from Disney Star Wars.
Mace Windu would've been cool choice to survive - but unfortunately, so many have 'somehow returned', that the effect is very very cheapened and only stinks of money.
Hey Thor! What's your opinion on this interpretation regarding Ahsoka's "stance" in the force, which may also be great in explaining how she is or must be so powerful in the force. From tales of the jedi we clearly see Ahsoka has a high connection to the force as she manages to tame/calm a space tiger at the age of 1. Given her life fighting in the clone wars, being trained by the chosen, being cast out of her order and also taking into consideration she has part of the Daughter living inside her/becoming a part of her. I would say she (certainly only in canon -my legends knowledge is limited) is the only force to user to, IMO, become a "pure" force user. My biggest factor to show this is her white sabres; the sith "Bleed" their crystals in order to create a red blade but to create a white blade you must "purify" a previously bled crystal. The sith must use the dark side to bleed a crystal and by interpretation Ahsoka herself must be pure in order to purify a crystal. The interpretation being that Ahsoka has achieved a "pure" stance within the force - something only she has done. Allowing her to use the force in a way no other jedi/sith can, which could explain how she is so powerful especially when in direct conflict with the jedi/sith. *Only when she has become pure and purified her crystals is when she does become as powerful as I'm making her out to be".
Even beyond any political stance Palpatine has on the Galaxy the man knowingly enjoys tormenting and lying to anyone and everyone. A hedonistic sadist at every turn.
but its a fantasy series primarily for children. Its stories don't need to make sense, they just need to sell toys and media. Removing death and hard topics broadens the audience and makes more money
Maul and Boba Fett got initally "killed" for lame reasons, out of a clunky setup for the former and a lazy gag for the latter, whereas it is their own decisions that led Mace Windu, Ahsoka Tano and Palpatine straight to their death, there was no "bad luck" involved there; as you said, actions have consequences. But it seems that with Disney, such considerations are irrelevant; it's all about the alleged popularity of the character, the buzz their return can create.
Disney Star Wars has a ton of problems, including their reliance on George's characters and not being able to come up with any of their own who are equally as compelling. At this stage, most of this stuff can be written off as cheap fan fiction level rubbish. George's Star Wars - including that which was done under him, is far superior to anything Disney can come up with.
Using Star Wars to tell the stories you want to tell rather than creating more Star Wars for the sake of just making a bigger galaxy is the best advice I can imagine for this franchise.
Honestly Mace is the only dead character I’d like to see come back. The fact it’s happened so much makes me want it less. But I think he has another story left in him. One of my only real issues with revenge of the Sith was that anakin wasn’t the one to strike the killing blow. He only wounded him. Palpy did the killing blow. I’d really like to see him come back for Vader to finally take him out. Hell, I’d love it if mace had fallen to the dark side for that confrontation too. Maybe bringing another dead character is too much after how much it’s happened, but honestly what’s one more if the story they tell with him is good (darth maul) not that I have faith Disney actually could make it good..
I agree that having people coming back from "perceived death" cheapens it. But, Mace never died. He lost a hand (not an arm) and got hit with some force lightning...
My hope for Mace Windu coming back is because his death was left so ambiguous, we all know nothing Mace suffered was a death sentence. A long fall would give a Jedi Master plenty of time to fight thru the pain, focus his mind and find a way for writers to save him. To me, the story of Jake Skywalker is a terrible iteration of Luke but would of been perfect for Mace. Mace the picture perfect Jedi coming to the realization that the Jedi he was was wrong.
The lightning itself could be a death sentence. People do die from electric shock and Palpatine was holding nothing back as he fried Mace with force lightning. Electric shock can trigger ventricular fibrillation, asystole, respiratory arrest, compartment syndrome, acute kidney failure, and acute thrombus formation in the blood vessels. Perhaps less severe is loss of consciousness, disorientation, coma, and convulsions which are not deadly by themselves but coupled with falling from a very tall building the odds of survival are slim at best. And you can say Luke was fine, but it seems obvious Palpatine wanted to make his death as drawn out and painful as possible whereas Mace (who was a real threat to him) needed to be eliminated quickly. However, I would still consider Mace’s survival far more believable than Maul’s.
Hey Thor do you think that naming the Rey film The New Jed Order is a mistake because of its association with the Legends series since most of the hard core fans will always associate that title with the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. I don't think it applies to Dawn Of The Jedi too much since it fits in with what those stories were about but unless this is the start of the Grysk (or Vong) invasion, I think the title is a mistake to call it The New Jedi Order. There is at least good chance we will see them since we will soon see what they look like in the Thrawn Alliances comic and the main reason this was not adapted yet from what I can tell is because they did not want to show us what the Grysk looked like.
Nobody dying or being mortally wounded by lightsabers anymore has really ruined the franchise for me more than anything the sequel trilogy ever did. It defeats the purpose of "Wars" in Star Wars. Main characters don't die, side characters don't die, disposable characters might die off screen, but do they? It all makes the experience cheap and makes me just not care.
It reminds me of someone saying (it might've even been this channel that said this) that Star Wars has become like a child playing with action figures and toys or classical action cartoons: making epic and grand battles that constantly one-up the ever prior one and resulting in dramatic deaths... until the next episode. The franchise, in a sense, has become zombified and undead; Disney unwilling to let anything ever die.
Ahsoka is the poster child of this.
That is one reason I appreciated the Clone Wars. On multiple occasions you see Jedi and clones actually die and sacrifice themselves to protect others. Those are the heroes that are not shown very often anymore. Ezra's arc should have ended in Rebels where he has sacrificed himself with no ability to return to the Star Wars galaxy
Being stabbed by a lightsaber is fine (it's only a flesh wound), but sitting by yourself on a rock is lethal.
Same here. Star Wars has become cheap.
In my opinion, so many Jedi characters surviving order 66 really defeats the heavy impact of that tragedy. Don’t misunderstand me I’m cool with people surviving that horrible night, but I think Disney is overdoing it. I think Mace Windu should stay “gone”. For crying out loud, Disney has ignored the Brutal consequences of being stabbed by a light saber.
I just remember the actual statistics, then it makes more sense.
I mean I am fine with survivors since even if 100-200 Jedi survived, that is only like 1% of the entire Order surviving. And it is still a tragedy since the majority of them would be hunted down and killed within the 19 years between the end of the Clone Wars and the destruction of the Death Star. Mace Windu though shouldn't be brought back though since I am tired of characters dying or being given mortal wounds and surviving. Sabine being stabbed with a lightsaber comes to mind.
"Lightning response video" perfectly timed to Palps unleashing UNLIMITED POWAH
Darth Maul surviving being cut in half was really the beginning of this, with Palpy surviving getting blowed up was the ultimate expression of the nonperformance of death in SW. but if you think about it, Ben Kenobi was the OG survivor of death by lightsaber.
This video put the most heinous thought into my head.
"Somehow, Padmé returned..."
This is why Mual surviving being split in two was a bad decision.
This whole bringing back from the dead problem started with Darth Maul in TCW.
The fact that anybody can somehow survive lightsaber stabs and blaster shots in Disney Star Wars truly make's death incredibly inconsequential and make's the stakes feel nonexistent.
Ok let's not pretend this is a Disney thing. Leia brushed off a blaster shot to her shoulder like it was mildly uncomfortable and Maul survived getting cut in half because he was really mad. There are a lot of other things you can critique Disney star wars for
@@stevenle9960These Thor folks have no nuance.
Wouldn't be a problem if they only did it once in a blue moon but they do it so often
Just the idea that Vader would allow Reva to live. The writers don't even understand that he could sense if she were still alive.
Yeah.... It really feels anyone could make a comeback at this point which is absurd.
@@ALeaud Reva was impaled with TWO lightsabers, yet, somehow, she managed to be chasing Luke on Tatooine by the time Vader and Obi-Wan fought. That gave her, what, a few hours to recuperate? NO!!
@@johnhoran9840 You know what? I don't even have a problem with Vader letting a Jedi turn to the dark side and join the Inquisitorious just to take a stab at him while pretending he doesn't know. That kind of arrogance and mindgames is very sith-like Although I think that behavior would be more suitable for Palpatine.
The actual problem is that she didn't die when he killed her! Not once, BUT TWICE!
@@AndrewAce. Yeah, letting her live as a child so she can be recruited as an Inquisitor I can get, but after he's done with her? I said at the time that the Vader from the OT would have killed her in that scene where he lifts her and throws her across the room. She never would have said a word before dying.
9:51 - "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will." His motivations are explored in The Empire Strikes Back. He's already fallen to the Dark Side when the story begins. Why, oh, WHY do we need more than that? As for his depiction in the OT, he's already Emperor. In his mind, he's already won and he cannot bring himself to take seriously the Rebellion.
In fact, an evil person likely would not *care* if what he was doing was 'good' or 'evil' so long as he was getting what he wants, although outwardly he would say what he needed to in order to justify his actions to others like "we shall have peace" meaning the fighting is over because I won.
As far a George was concerned, Windu died. He doesn't need to come back. Not everyone NEEDS to come back...
Hey Thor, I was wondering if you have ever seen the cut scenes of Attack of the Clones, specifically the ones involving Anakin and Padme. I think they add some much needed depth to the character's relationship and would love to see them fully finished, which brings me to my next question;
Do you think Disney would ever consider doing "special editions" of the prequel trilogy and potentially bring George back to help them with it. There could be some serious money made with these, but of course we all know Disney seems to be allergic to making money these days.
2:50 “Like it or not but some things in life must be accepted” this is the crux of why modern Star Wars does this though. Disney and their teams of DEI consultants disagree with this, in their eyes you can be whatever you want to be, and reality can’t stop you, not do your actions have consequences.
They refuse to accept that some things cannot be undone or changed, and so while these things can’t be changed in reality, when they write stories they will insert their worldview, even if it is completely unrealistic.
It’s a toxic and delusional mentality, but it is the mentality held by so many in modern Hollywood, and it is a poison to storytelling.
It means that there are no longer any stakes, and so no tension.
In the past lightsaber duels felt like tense afairs where a songle mistake could lead to death. And now that is gone.
Bringing Windu back would've only been a good idea if they already didn't revive everyone else. George Lucas stated he believed Windu survived. Naturally, he would've died over the 20 years but that was who they should've done a series about
Imagine how different the world would be if George Lucas had a Christopher Tolkien in his family.
He had his daughter working with him, but he decided he just wanted to sell it and not leave it to his family.
Isn't Lukas the one who brought Maul back to life? He's as guilty just as anyone else
Katie Lucas was as bad as Dave Filoni, changing and rewriting lore for her own petty whims. Look what she and Filoni did to Dathomir!
@@saberiandream316 Have you ever read the Courtship Of Princess Leia I don't think anything could be as crazy as that book
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader Dathomir featured outside that book. And here comes Filoni and Katie Lucas to misrepresent it in TCW, by design, because Filoni _loves_ it when something is different from source material, then plays it up during interviews to claim he _doesn't_ want to change it, which is pure horse hockey.
7:37 On the emperor’s change of approach... I like the Plagueis novel's explanation. DP was alive during the time of the prequels. -Post 66 and post ascension by Palpatine.- It was a front. That and a division of duties GalaxyForce.
Basically Palp was a more effective apperentice than master and couldn't hold the bag.
Plagueis died at the end of the phantom menace, right as Palpatine got elected chancelor
@@SuicV misremembered which ascension. got it. Same sentiment though, he was a new master.
Star wars in 2025-9999: Beings back EVERY single character from every single movie/show/game/book from the dead
I'm sick of it. Nothing holds weight when people constantly die and come back 5 mins later.
Without death, finality, and consequences, stories are fundamentally nihilistic (i.e. meaningless). “No one’s ever really gone” is frankly the modern writers’ projection of their worldview, tbh.
Mace is the one character I dont mind bringing back for a short bit but I feel like he would need to die before ANH. The only problem is Disneys execution with Kenobi and BoBF doesn't really inspire any confidence and its not a story that will have a lot of meaning just more nostalgia.
Somehow everyone returned!
While I agree with Thor that George Lucas probably didn't imagine Palpatine as the mastermind he was in the prequels when he created the original trilogy, there are at least two ways to reconcile the changes in Palpatine between the two trilogies. One could argue that Shiv Palpatine had put most of his mental effort into subverting the Republic and destroying the Jedi and underestimated the threat to his rule after he had won. He could have assumed that once he had gained control over his new Empire, he would have few challenges. There is also the possibility that Palpatine's mind wasn't as sharp as it once was during the time of the original trilogy. Beyond the who matter of possible dementia, there is the question of the long term effects of tapping into the dark side of the Force might have been on his mind. I am not a master of Star Wars lore, but I could easily see Sith Lords becoming more paranoid as they grew older, It might be natural for them to trade the subtle cleverness they enjoyed while younger for a tendency to lash out violently. Thus the change in Darth Sidious from the prequel trilogy to the original trilogy might have been the natural path of the Sigh. That's just a guess on my part. I also suspect that taking a heavy dosage of his own force lightning during his confrontation with Mace Windu didn't do his brain any favors.
I mean. Mace, different from other characters from the prequel, has a very clear meaning for the plot. He is the epitome of what the Jedi were during the Republic era and he clearely represents that since his first moment on screen opposing Qui Gon. This opposition is later on transfered to Anakin to, once again, make a clear point on how the Jedi Council had grown incompetent and blind during peace times and allowed for the evil to flourish and nurture from their dogmatic and passive nature. So, when we see his death caused by a decision took by Anakin it is very powerfull and has a lot of weight. It represents Anakin rising up and doing something in face of the fear of losing his wife while also truthly believing he is going to save the woman he loves. It also represents the death of the Jedi as the followup scene is the execution of order 66.
Yet, it goes without saying, that the point Sam Jackson made is undoubtable. We've seen weaker character survive much worse before. It really breaks the immersion to think that what we've seen in Revenge of the Sith was the end for Mace while a (particularly incapable) Inquisitor survives getting impaled by a Lightsaber twice thought the span of 1 show, or the same happens to a mandalorian teenager. Its gotten old by this point. Lightsaber fights have no longer weight, tension nor choreography and - to me - everything involving them, when it comes to Disney, is borderline insulting.
Introduction:
It wasn't long after I began writing Star Wars that I realized the story was more than a single film could hold. As the saga of Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at least nine films to tell--three trilogies--and I realized, in making my way through the back story and after story, that I was really setting out to write the middle story.
After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story--however many films it took to tell--was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories that I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga. This legacy began with Splinter of the Mind's Eye, published less than a year after the release of Star Wars. Written by Alan Dean Foster, a well-known and talented science-fiction author, Splinter was promoted as a "further adventure" of Luke Skywalker. It hit the bookstores just as I was preparing to write my own "further adventure" of Luke, in the form of a script entitled The Empire Strikes Back.
It seems only fitting, after all these years, that Splinter would be republished as I prepare once again to write another further adventure set a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
- George Lucas
Very level headed answer to my question. Thanks Thor! Always dig your perspective 🖖🏻
13:30 - the problem with this is they were already grabbing game material to put into other shows with tweaked context, like Obi-Wan aping the end of Fallen Order.
They're stupid, people care about characters in stories, not plot.
The thing is that bringing back Windu wouldn't make sense and probably destroy the character. His return would be the most believable, though, as basically every other return was bs and Maul started this trend. As far as I know it even was Lucas' idea. But the problem in Windu's case is that he got a satisfying death. The thing I was most worried about going into RotS was that he might duel Anakin and lose to him which would have really cheapened that badass character for me. So the way he died was satisfying. Also: let's assume he survived: Mace isn't the character who would sits back while thie Sith terrorize the galaxy. Mace loved the republic and the order. He would have done everything he could to stop the Sith. And a potential return would most likely result in him being killed by Vader. That's absolutely not what I want to see.
If he returns I want Padme back 😂😂😂
For Mace it's alright with me if they'd bring him back bc his fall still could be survivable, but I hate that they brought back Maul.
In CC it was alright bc it's not canon for me, but Disney made that canon.
Death in Star Wars has already been massively undermined; They may as well bring back Mace at this point.
People already pick & choose what they view as canon anyway.
Bringing people back is a cheap trick to heighten tension without having to face long term consequences. There are no stakes anymore when characters are resurrected or survive fatal wounds.
Mace surviving is less ridiculous than Maul surviving, and I'm not really a fan of either if truth be told. Not that I didn't enjoy Sam Witwer's voice performance, but it's always felt like fan fiction / wish fulfillment. I actually felt the same way about Dark Empire way back when with Palpatine. Fun ideas for fans but not really great story telling.
A couple of videos ago I made a joke about Dragon Ball power levels if there was a similar thing in Star Wars, and dead characters returning is also kinda a Dragon Ball thing. I mean, basically no character in DB has ever died except some from the original series, they always either turn like Yamcha, Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta or Beerus and become allies or they get resurrected like Frieza and Uub. And Star Wars is getting to the same point if they keep bringing back dead characters for “star value” alone.
There wasn't a rogue's gallery in the original era of Dragon Ball though, villains that were defeated never really returned as villains (unless you count the movies?), and I'd be curious to see if Goku's friends are always around in the original manga because it feels like such a filler thing, I'm not saying that they died but maybe they simply walked out of the story and stopped wasting screen time.
@@holdingpattern245 not a rogues gallery per se, but you had Yamcha as a sort-of antagonist first, then he became Goku’s friend, Tien was the antagonist in the 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi and then became Goku’s friend after, Piccolo was the antagonist of the King Piccolo arc and then became Goku’s friend, and so on.
In my opinion, Mace Windu is a brilliant character who deserves more screen time. But I think the best way to do that is by a prequel and maybe a recast. Samuel Jackson is too old to play a young version of the character (if he comes back from the dead then fine).
Hey Thor, any ideas for new planets/climates you would like to see in Star Wars? I mean, we’ve already had quite the variety in terms of planets that are entirely one ecosystem (desert, jungle, forest, swamp, skyscraper, snow, California, Italy, lava, etc). Are there any planets currently in the roster whose ecosystem you would particularly enjoy visiting, or ones you would like to see?
For me, coruscant and dagobah have some of the best vibes.
It’s not just Star Wars. Other television and books that I’ve read in the past few years just don’t want any of their characters to stay dead. It cheapens the loss and makes us not believe it when characters appear to die.
Back as a kid watching Revenge of the Sith, naturally I wished more Jedi survived.
But slowly growing up I eventually realised that the number of deaths made Order 66 so impactful.
I don't mind a few Jedi surviving the initial stages of the Purge. A few would have survived and the Empire would hunt them down later.
But if they keep bringing those who clearly died...what was even the point of Order 66?
And that is what so many current writers fail to understand. The death of characters gives weight to the world. It gives the audience the feeling that anyone could die. If everyone keeps surviving what should kill them, we are not going to care because we know it will be fine.
As has already happened...**cough** Palpatine **cough** Sabine...
Darth Maul's return in The Clone Wars cartoons was fantastic but I never thought it was ...*cough*... canonical.
And that's how you do this kind of fan service resurrection stuff: jump medium and forget the timeline . Want to cross over to feature film again? Total recast.
14:00 Star Wars: Rebellion is an excellent game. 2 player. Lots of depth and strategy. If you want something lighter and for more players, there’s Jabba’s Palace: A Love Letter game is a bluffing game based off of the popular Love Letter card game. If you want something mid weight, there are Star Wars versions of Risk that are really fun.
Hey Thor Star Wars: Rebellion on board game geek is ranked 10 overall and 5 thematic. Its 2 players, perfect if your wife likes those kinda games too. It feels like you're in control of the events of the original trilogy!
This nonsense all started with Darth Maul. His survival was silly, and he didn't belong in TCW.
That's why, in some sense, I would suggest there was a group of curators in charge of deciding what belongs to cannon or not: I know the legal owner of the franchise is the one officially having that job but in cases such as that of Disney SW; Starwars has been going through phases which destroy the foundations of original SW.Every franchise has an essence and in some cases, the business owning the brand takes flawed paths making everything so contradictory and trashy that a massive deletion and starting from zero is required...
Everyone knows that falls can't kill people in Star Wars! Look at Palpatine, Maul, and Boba. They fell off cliffs and came out fine.
Hey Thor, lately i've been thinking about how JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson went against George Lucas's lore in Star Wars. JJ said in an interview with Slashfilm that he didn't believe in midichlorions and said that the Force was a power anyone can achieve just by believing in it and it's not based on how many midichlorions you have. I am aware of the 'Karate' quote from George, but it is worth noting that was taken from 1981 and i don't think that was ever implied in the prequels, so I think it's possible he may have changed his mind over time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think George has said anything lately to support the 'Karate' quote and I'd argue that if it wasn't referenced recently and if his films, the prequels, contradicted it, then the quote is no longer relevent. Anyway, as for Rian, his definition of balance was equal light and equal dark, which goes against what George established in the prequels, where it's the very presence of the Sith that causes unbalance. I have this sneaking suspicion that JJ and Rian chose not to reach out to George Lucas for his input on their ideas, because they both knew he'd say 'no'. I think if you are going to adapt or continue someone else's work, or add something new, it needs to abide by these two things: 1. Don't contradict anything the creator established. 2. It has to be met with the creator's approval. Sure, it is likely reaching out to George didn't cross JJ or Rian's minds, but either way it shows they should not have been involved with Star Wars. They had no right to just do whatever they wanted.
Whats funny about Rians idea of balance is the OT ends with Luke dooming the galaxy into imbalance even though thats clearly not what is happening. Say what you want about the Mortis Arc or any other George quotes but the idea is clearly that balance is restored in ROTJ.
OUTER RIM from Fantasy Flight is AMAZING. It’s my favorite board game ever. I highly recommend it.
💯 thinking Windu shows up in season 2 of Kenobi.
Sam Jackson has played hollywood game long enough to know he doesn't just get to say whatever he wants to press. Disney is also notorious at this point for NDAs to cast and crew, fake scripts or just outright barring them from having interviews at all.
SLJ says this with Disney's permission.
If Disney really wants to sell Kenobi season 2 on Vader vs Windu. That's a terrible idea. It shows Disney's true lack of understanding of SW in general but Windu as a character.
Although I would believe that Anakin would defeat Mace, Vader would get damn near aced. Vader is effectively a quintessential example of purified hatred and selfishness. Dark side in it's purest form.
Windu definitely defeats Palpatine in episode 3. Lucas confirmed that. He won because of Vapaad. He used Palpatine's dark side against him. You can see this manifest as he fights Palpatine. He struggles at first but gains more control of the duel as Palpatine channels dark side more and more. The more he dark side taps, the more effective Vapaad becomes.
A bit over explained but Vader defeating Windu would really be a travesty.
Are Disney people stupid? We already got a Vader fight and they want another one?
I've read some FABULOUS fanfictions of Mace Windu's survival. But they're just fan fictions. What I wouldn't mind is a Star Wars WHAT IF Show that featured different destinies of Windu or Padme or Yoda or Anakin or Obi-Wan, etc. If done right, it'd be really cool. But Sadly, I don't trust anything Kathleen Kennedy has her hands in.
On one hand yes so many people surviving is a problem. On the other hand Windu is one of these characters people theorized to have survived since like day 1. He deserve to live past order 66 more than Ahsoka (hot take but whatever). The problem is not Windu surviving. The problem is too many survived BEFORE him which makes people like Windu who deserve to come back be seen as not interesting. Personally I always imagined Windu survived and was the only jedi Palpatine hunted down himself instead of sending Vader or Inquisitors
Despite this series being in a galaxy far far away, people still die when they are killed. When that's not the case, the stakes are really hard to invest in if anyone can get retconned back into existence.
Windu is dead. Gone. For good. We all saw that.
These Disney clowns can't come up with new, interesting characters? It's a multi billion dollar company. They are so lazy. It's getting worse by the minute.
Imperial Assault is an AMAZING Star Wars board game.
Fakeouts lose impact every time you do it. The fact Star Wars has done it before *isn't* a justification for why Windu somehow returning is fine; it's the exact reason why it's not
Will we get Lucas’ vision for the Old Republic since Legends is no longer canon?
The rough timeline of the Old Republic era as we got in Legends was and is still canon. The reason why everything seemed to be rinse cycle and repeat for the Old Republic era was because Lucas kept moving the events closer to the movie era because nobody in the modern developed world seems to understand how things can seem to stay stagnant for long. I mean in the Original Star Wars movie, the Republic has stood for a thousand generations 20,000 + years, and the Jedi had served as guardians of justice and peace for all of that time. In the Prequels, Lucas slipped up with two lines;
1). The Republic has only been around for 1,000 years or so.
2). That the Sith used to rule the galaxy.
When asked about that contradiction, Lucas did his usually “well it has always been that way.”
The thing is, was that Lucas wanted everything to fit within a greater continuity, including the Legends stories. Because even Lucas couldn’t keep his own continuity straight, let alone the various groups and writers developing of the early EU stories. So everything thing that Lucas contributed to the lore, was what the EU writer developed their stories around. But now, since they were developed out of house, the old EU stories for the Old Republic are largely just legends, hence Legends. But the timeline is still canon, because that came from Lucas, and Lucas demanded a continuity to keep everything straight. That Lucas decided to retool things for the prequels, and had to come with an excuse to cover his mistake, only added to the lore and provided fuel for new stories for the EU writer to develop, which made Lucasfilm money and by extension, Lucas money.
Since there already was a Old Luke comic made by fans, I hope that somebody makes the Lucas' Sequels fan made, because let's be honest fans makes the best Star Wars anything since Disney bought Lucasfilm. I'm loving my binge watching of fanfilms, so maybe they can even make an animated show by fans of the Lucas' Sequels.
I'm honestly surprised it took them this long to bring back Mace Windu.
The GREATEST Star Wars Board Game was the Return of the Jedi Board Game Battle at Sarlaac's Pit.
The Sith believe that since they were blessed with power above nearly everyone, that it means that it is their right to rule. The right of the strongest or most crafty to rule. That only they can bring order to the universe. And the reason why the universe is not perfect, is because the weak and/or the weak minded rule.
Hey Thor, do you think there’s a possibility that Disney could release the theatrical cuts of the OT in a few years in honor of the 50th anniversary? I think there are plenty of people that desperately want the original cuts of the films that don’t have access-it would be a gold mine for Disney.
Under what conditions would you accept these revivals?
I personally feel like if there were more permanent deaths of characters would work for me. Maybe if they made the character returns better like with Maul.
hey thor,
would you be interested in getting streaming series (either animated or live action) based on the remaining unfinished clone wars arcs that were turned into other media like dark disciple?
I want to hear Thor and Naboo do their best Wookie noises!
I usually agree with you on this topic unless there's still a good story to be told. I'd argue bring maul back in TCW and boba in the EU really helped their characters. If bringing mace windu back could result in an amazing story for mace windu or maybe darth vader or boba fett, i wont mind. The story has to come first though, and if its another rise of palpatine situation ill pass.
They should bring back the whole "Legends" thing, continue it, people don't care that much about Disney-SW, but they do care about the original "Expanded Universe", like a lot.
Just killing a shit ton of books & comics, declaring it non-existend, and having the nerve to say there's no source material, was the most stupid, tactical error in the history of tactical errors whatsover. 😂
In a sense of marketing, financials, trust, and common sense.
I would say that Palpatine claiming he was doing good for the Galaxy was more his rationalization than his actual motivation. At his core, he craved power. He simply told himself, though in different words, “besides, the Galaxy will be better off for it.”
That’s something important to recognize in characters, especially when they are doing bad things (be they objectively, contextually or subjectively bad). There’s motivation, the true reasons driving the characters’ actions, and then there’s rationalization, the things characters will tell themselves or others as to why their actions are good or justified.
I understand what you’re saying. But Lucas (and a few other sources) seems to have confirmed that he really does feel that way.
Have the sequel Trilogy be the 'what if', add it to Legends and lets have a fresh start.
If they decide to make a movie/show inspired by a game I vote for Tie Fighter, awesome dogfights and truly seeing the war from the perspective of a regular Imperial, a bit like Andor but the focus ONLY the Empire
Legends fans have been begging for new stories for nine years, and the best we get is to treat it like a dumping grounds for Disney's non-canon works? No, I refuse to accept that.
You are so right. Padme returning would be very epic on a meta level 😅
Somehow... Padme Amidala has survived.
If Mace Windu comes back then Star Wars is in danger of going down the 'Bobby Ewing in the shower, it was only a dream'-esque route
In regard to "Palpatine thinking he's right" vs "Dark Siders seeking power," I wanted to ask would you be interested in a story where a Jedi turns to the Darkside (briefly) to balance the Force just to end up losing everything/everyone he loves and spending the rest of his life cut off from the Force in order not to dip back into the Darkside? Thought this could be a fun story idea for you to write!
I mean isn’t Palpatine extreme mastermindy in ROTJ? He’s always telling Vader what’s gonna happen that he has planned out and foreseen, and he does the whole trap thing with the Death Star 2 being non operational when it really is, letting the rebels get fake plans etc.
If they did ever turn it into something I wouldn't want it to be a comic book I'd want it to be a series of novels because if it's a comic book I would never read it if it was a novel I wouldn't read either but it would have the chance to be on audiobook
Hey Thor, it’s been confirmed that the game Director for the first two Jedi games stig asmussen will not be returning in the third game. Do you think this will have a minor or a major blow on the third game? It is currently in developments, but still given that Star Wars games don’t have a good history third with installments and EA is EA. I can’t help with fear that it’s in big trouble. The first two games combine with their characters are some of my favorite things that come from Star Wars since Disney bought the IP and again a small part of me can’t help but assume the worst…
If you're interested, the board game Star Wars: Outer Rim is quite good and has a single-player mode where you play against an AI opponent.
Maul lived despite being cut in two. This series is stupid
If you must do a Mace Windu series just deep fake Sam Jackson and make it a prequel or have it take place during the Clone War. He's a pretty underdeveloped character all things considered in the new canon at least so that would make more sense.
Maul is a cool character but cutting him in half and throwing him down a reactor shaft should have been the end.
Just remember solar system dominating super weapons get irreparably decimated by one well Placed shot of a vastly underpowered weapon, but an individual being dismembered, electrocuted, and tossed from the top of a super sky scrapper, totally survivable no big deal.
I dislike all this. It cheapens the sacrifice and finality of death. This in part is why Rogue One was great.
I also heard Cara Dune died on the way back to her home planet...
Hey Thor, what do you think, were the Star Wars Story Spin-off movies all in all good and should we have gotten more of them? What would you or Sailor Naboo have liked to have seen? Also, I think you talked about this some time ago, but do you think the end of the Stories was due to Solo failing and follow-up, was that really Solo’s fault or backlash from Last Jedi, in your opinion?
Hey Thor, do you think the live action Star Wars content could return to legacy planet's like Hoth, Kashyyk, Endor, Bespin, and Kamino? Tatooine and Corescant are the only planets that get love from Disney Star Wars.
Coruscant didn't get love for a while
Now I want some story that include Camino and maybe their cloning facilities, before or after the Clone Wars
Mace Windu would've been cool choice to survive - but unfortunately, so many have 'somehow returned', that the effect is very very cheapened and only stinks of money.
Star Wars is was and will always be George Lucas, Disney can go pound sand.
A new show following Merrin.
Hey Thor!
What's your opinion on this interpretation regarding Ahsoka's "stance" in the force, which may also be great in explaining how she is or must be so powerful in the force.
From tales of the jedi we clearly see Ahsoka has a high connection to the force as she manages to tame/calm a space tiger at the age of 1.
Given her life fighting in the clone wars, being trained by the chosen, being cast out of her order and also taking into consideration she has part of the Daughter living inside her/becoming a part of her. I would say she (certainly only in canon -my legends knowledge is limited) is the only force to user to, IMO, become a "pure" force user.
My biggest factor to show this is her white sabres; the sith "Bleed" their crystals in order to create a red blade but to create a white blade you must "purify" a previously bled crystal. The sith must use the dark side to bleed a crystal and by interpretation Ahsoka herself must be pure in order to purify a crystal.
The interpretation being that Ahsoka has achieved a "pure" stance within the force - something only she has done. Allowing her to use the force in a way no other jedi/sith can, which could explain how she is so powerful especially when in direct conflict with the jedi/sith.
*Only when she has become pure and purified her crystals is when she does become as powerful as I'm making her out to be".
All good stories need to end.
They can bring mace windu back in a live-action clone wars series or a pre-clone wars series or pre-phantom menace project.
Obiwan show went way too far with people surviving lightsaber wounds. Even Sabine recovered in like a week from a lightsaber to the gut. It’s lame.
Even beyond any political stance Palpatine has on the Galaxy the man knowingly enjoys tormenting and lying to anyone and everyone. A hedonistic sadist at every turn.
For the board game question: Star Wars Rebellion is probably the best one I know of. Only two players needed.
but its a fantasy series primarily for children. Its stories don't need to make sense, they just need to sell toys and media. Removing death and hard topics broadens the audience and makes more money
Even though it was handled fairly well , I didn’t like Maul coming back, they should have just made his brother wanting revenge.
Maul and Boba Fett got initally "killed" for lame reasons, out of a clunky setup for the former and a lazy gag for the latter, whereas it is their own decisions that led Mace Windu, Ahsoka Tano and Palpatine straight to their death, there was no "bad luck" involved there; as you said, actions have consequences. But it seems that with Disney, such considerations are irrelevant; it's all about the alleged popularity of the character, the buzz their return can create.
Disney Star Wars has a ton of problems, including their reliance on George's characters and not being able to come up with any of their own who are equally as compelling. At this stage, most of this stuff can be written off as cheap fan fiction level rubbish. George's Star Wars - including that which was done under him, is far superior to anything Disney can come up with.
Using Star Wars to tell the stories you want to tell rather than creating more Star Wars for the sake of just making a bigger galaxy is the best advice I can imagine for this franchise.
Literally what Rian Johnson did, though
Honestly Mace is the only dead character I’d like to see come back. The fact it’s happened so much makes me want it less.
But I think he has another story left in him.
One of my only real issues with revenge of the Sith was that anakin wasn’t the one to strike the killing blow. He only wounded him. Palpy did the killing blow. I’d really like to see him come back for Vader to finally take him out. Hell, I’d love it if mace had fallen to the dark side for that confrontation too.
Maybe bringing another dead character is too much after how much it’s happened, but honestly what’s one more if the story they tell with him is good (darth maul) not that I have faith Disney actually could make it good..
I agree that having people coming back from "perceived death" cheapens it. But, Mace never died. He lost a hand (not an arm) and got hit with some force lightning...
My hope for Mace Windu coming back is because his death was left so ambiguous, we all know nothing Mace suffered was a death sentence. A long fall would give a Jedi Master plenty of time to fight thru the pain, focus his mind and find a way for writers to save him. To me, the story of Jake Skywalker is a terrible iteration of Luke but would of been perfect for Mace. Mace the picture perfect Jedi coming to the realization that the Jedi he was was wrong.
The lightning itself could be a death sentence. People do die from electric shock and Palpatine was holding nothing back as he fried Mace with force lightning. Electric shock can trigger ventricular fibrillation, asystole, respiratory arrest, compartment syndrome, acute kidney failure, and acute thrombus formation in the blood vessels. Perhaps less severe is loss of consciousness, disorientation, coma, and convulsions which are not deadly by themselves but coupled with falling from a very tall building the odds of survival are slim at best.
And you can say Luke was fine, but it seems obvious Palpatine wanted to make his death as drawn out and painful as possible whereas Mace (who was a real threat to him) needed to be eliminated quickly.
However, I would still consider Mace’s survival far more believable than Maul’s.
Hey Thor do you think that naming the Rey film The New Jed Order is a mistake because of its association with the Legends series since most of the hard core fans will always associate that title with the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. I don't think it applies to Dawn Of The Jedi too much since it fits in with what those stories were about but unless this is the start of the Grysk (or Vong) invasion, I think the title is a mistake to call it The New Jedi Order. There is at least good chance we will see them since we will soon see what they look like in the Thrawn Alliances comic and the main reason this was not adapted yet from what I can tell is because they did not want to show us what the Grysk looked like.
Palpatine did NOT care about the Galaxy.
He didn’t have a shred of selflessness in him: that’s what made him the perfect avatar of the DarkSide.