IS VR MAKING YOU SICK? | ESSENTIAL VR Part 2 | Flight Simulation | Managing Your Symptoms

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  • Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024

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  • @SimHangerFS
    @SimHangerFS  2 года назад +1

    You can watch part 3 here ruclips.net/video/SXXUX4dklRE/видео.html

  • @tetley3737
    @tetley3737 Год назад

    Probably already mentioned but too many comments to read them all... Playing some other games to help train your brain works too. I recently got vr and immediately went into the F16 in DCS, tried a bank, and felt dizzy. I stopped and did some research. I had a feeling I might be prone to motion sickness as I experienced it sailing irl a few times. So what I have done to help with this is play some other, less motion impactful games. Like, Half Life Alyx, and Skrim VR. I even tried No Man's Sky VR which did not give me much motion sickness, but it did help train my brain. So after spending a couple of weeks in those games I went back to DCS and it was definitely better. Sill need to take it slow, but that was one of the points in this vid. Take it slow, and build up to it. It's worth the effort.

  • @filipevilela8312
    @filipevilela8312 2 года назад +1

    Merci for this great vidéo which, I am sure, will help vr pilot candidates. I fly most of the time in vr without any problèm and I am 70. It is a unique expérience!

  • @Lucas_Pit
    @Lucas_Pit 2 года назад +8

    Great content Mark :) I do agree completely with everything you mentioned. While flying is not so bad for me personally but racing sims are killing me after 5 minutes already (sometimes so bad I’m feeling sick to the stomach a whole day) for me the best is working when having a tabletop fan gently blowing fresh air to my face,
    By the way. The wife says ‘hi’, she very charmed by the tone of your voice and the way you talk in your videos :)

  • @guillaume_69
    @guillaume_69 2 года назад +2

    I remember trying on the PS4 VR when it was out anf6that thing made me so nauseous after 5 mins... I was apprehensive getting the G2 but decided for it. I have not felt sick once. I think what is likely to make sensitive people sick is any simulated walking/running. Your brain doesn't like to be tricked that way. But when we're flying in VR we are seated and the experience is similar to being in a cockpit. That said, I even played games on the G2 with "walking" enabled and it didn't make me sick. Likely something to do with resolution and frame rates.? Anyway cheers for another great video Mark!

  • @chrisvowell2890
    @chrisvowell2890 2 года назад +3

    Like you, I never experienced motion sickness when flying (both as cabin crew and piloting in GA). But, I have experienced it quite often when watching other vlogger's videos on RUclips. This is because, in their enthusiasm to 'show off' their skills or 'superior frame rates', they make sudden, violent, unexpected movements that makes the viewer disorientated and hence nauseous. I've even had this experience watching a well known flightsim flogger's videos of his landings (not in VR) where he will suddenly and unexpectedly look left to check flaps, height above ground, etc. He, of course doesn't feel it because he is expecting it but for his viewers this could easily lead to a 'technicolor laugh'!
    It was because of this I have never seriously caught on to the VR bug.
    BUT, your videos on VR are very well thought out, with no sudden head movements and slow panning that disorientates the viewer. In fact, I'm now seriously considering going VR (when funds permit it!) and will be following the rest of this series avidly!!
    Many thanks, Mark, for a great series.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад +1

      Thank you for your comments, much appreciated, makes the effort worthwhile 😀

    • @mokumkat
      @mokumkat 2 года назад

      After watching 2 minutes of the "Blue whale" demo I was afraid that buying the G2 had been a big mistake. But as soon I checked out xplane, aerofly, and of course fs2020 I was sold and found the G2 to be one of my best purchases ever!

  • @tangotango256
    @tangotango256 Год назад

    I suppose I'm lucky and can adapt quickly motion sickness has never been a problem ...it kinda kills the immersion a bit, but not so much that its isn't enjoyable... I do need the fan pack for my valve index for longer sessions as I'll fly from Georgia to Michigan in a 172 doing touch an Go's along the way... Yesterday Oklahoma city was a bit blustery ...well a LOT blustery and my landing was less than stellar and I'm gonna need a prop and landing gear .. so glad it's free and easy as a restart ..... shoulda paid more attention to the weather before dipping in ...Great video Mark !!! You are the voice of reason

  • @nikthefix8918
    @nikthefix8918 Год назад

    In real life I never get motion sickness if all of my senses agree on the motion - just like you explained. A bumpy plane or stormy ship is no problem as long as my eyes and my stomach are on the same page. But a really smooth trip on the Bullet Train where my body feels stationary in spite of my eyes saying 200mph is too much of a disconnect and can lead to problems. Perhaps VR will overcome these issues as immersion gets greater with full sensory addons - infrasonics and haptics etc. I remember a VR hang gliding sim which came alive when I stuck a large floor fan in front of my face. Now if I could have linked fan RPM to virtual airspeed then I'm sure my whole being would have been in no doubt that I was flying (and I did some real hang gliding as a young man). It really doesn't take much but it needs to be the right things. Short of antigravity for VR (c'mon Zuk!) I can imagine direct stimulation of the ear mechanisms through sound in order to create balance cues. A very rocky road of research no doubt but perhaps it might be incorporated to some degree. There are already some sonic therapeutics for motion sickness.

  • @amazing-ej4gy
    @amazing-ej4gy Год назад +1

    Doing anything in vr while sitting down is a lot better for motion sickness, as long as the brain doesn’t think you’re moving while standing up

  • @ozihmemaa3405
    @ozihmemaa3405 2 года назад +1

    Motion platform is the answer. Even a slight movement tricks your brain and puts the liquid in the human balancing system moving according the visuals. I´ve had two platforms for years for sim racing and flying (Simxperience/diy platform for racing and a cheap Dof Reality platform for flying). In VR i have been since Oculus Rift cv1. Nowadays Varjo Aero.

  • @georgesiebes
    @georgesiebes 2 года назад +1

    Mark, I've been getting closer and closer to getting the HP. This series helps so much!! I get seasick from sitting in a rocking chair... Also looking forward to your part 3 video.

  • @simflightpro
    @simflightpro 2 года назад +1

    Thank you Mark for another great video. This can benefit a great deal on VRing.

  • @dtz1000
    @dtz1000 2 года назад +4

    Motion sickness pills definitely work. The problem is that they make you drowsy after a few hours. So you swap one negative effect for another.

    • @humongoustesticlees
      @humongoustesticlees Год назад

      Get the none drowsy ones or only do your flying in the evening🙂

    • @MichaelBrodie68
      @MichaelBrodie68 Год назад

      I suffer to the point I had to abandon first person shooters. Even specific antiemetics like odansetron and stematil don't work.

  • @delalima
    @delalima 2 года назад +1

    thank you for the very informative video , i'm still hesitating about vr

  • @jlboynton
    @jlboynton Год назад

    I found that it is cool to get the plane off the ground and on autopilot. Then switch on VR mode to get used to the experience. Helps to adjust to the environment.

  • @kennykanada
    @kennykanada 2 года назад

    Great advice Mark!
    Ive got Menieres disease (20yrs), and therapy for working through it was to induce the dizziness with bipositional therapy (lying down on bed and getting up repeatedly). They even suggested a motion simulator (which I then built). Today I get little to no vertigo anymore and can easily handle my G2 in VR. Waiting on my YAW2!

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад +1

      Oh. … yaw2…wow..now that is something special!

  • @simplysimulator
    @simplysimulator 2 года назад +1

    Brilliant video well paced, well researched and informative - thanks

  • @isaacgoren542
    @isaacgoren542 2 года назад

    great vidio , lukily I dont suffer from motion sikness ,but i follow your advice ( short sesions etc . I am using vr since 2016 , and have over 200 houres with the g2.

  • @sascenturion
    @sascenturion 2 года назад +1

    Was looking forward to this series 😀 ...and you haven't let me down!
    Amazing and fascinating information 🎓🎓 ...
    I'm a new vr user ( meaning i'm using vr only for around 6 or 7 months) ,I'll have to be honest ive only ever felt slightly unwell only once and that was in msfs .
    The only other thing that happened whilst playing in vr was in Half life Alex i got a fright at one point and swung my arm out to defend myself and i smashed a real world window with the G2 controller ( they're stronger than you think! ) ..i guess that was losing my balance and not travel sickness 😂😂
    Ps. I'm a follower of Russ Barlow's channel ...he's great 👍

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад +2

      When I first got my Vive headset I cracked my monitor screen with a controller….controller was fine…monitor, not so much!

    • @sascenturion
      @sascenturion 2 года назад

      @@SimHangerFS 😂

  • @jackr.749
    @jackr.749 2 года назад

    For people new to VR, also just looking forward until you get the hang of it can help, be it flight sim or something like a roller coaster experience, also when playing general VR games, you have to tell yourself from time to time "it is NOT real" in example, if playing billiards in VR, if you try leaning on the pool table (which isn't really there) and put too much of your weight towards that, you WILL kiss the floor rather unexpectedly (been there done that, LOL). VR is a great thing and can be totally amazing, but at first, you have to take it easy and take your time until you earn your "VR Legs" Have fun! :)

  • @5milessep
    @5milessep 2 года назад

    Thank you Mark for a great insight to motion sickness with VR, some very good advice to follow 👍

  • @nortonp3983
    @nortonp3983 2 года назад

    Excellent subject and I'm sure it's one that does put a lot of people off giving VR a go or persisting with it - the area that used to get me feeling queasy was whilst taxiing but I think that was due to poor frame rates way back before the toolkit and better drivers- the other thing that set me off and sometimes still does is getting too hot - I quiet often have to fly with my room window open just to dissipate the heat produced by having a high end computer in a small room- keep up the excellent work Mark 🙂👍

    • @karlhungus545
      @karlhungus545 Год назад

      This is exactly what is still keeping me from buying into VR. I get very motion sick in certain real life situations, mainly amusement park rides, but also if I'm a passenger in the back seat of a vehicle. Oddly though I am able to read in a car or on the bus no problem.

  • @VRFlightSimGuy
    @VRFlightSimGuy 2 года назад +4

    Excellent advice Mark this is essential information surprisingly not just for newcomers, but even for old hands like myself, as the very first time I tried VR I foolishly attempted the roller coaster and felt sick!! It was horrible, so I guess we are all guilty at some point, great video take care!

    • @manu_le_maboul
      @manu_le_maboul Год назад

      I did the same, and actually used the roller coaster to desensitize myself. I stopped when I started feeling dizzy, sessions progressively got longer and longer until I no longer got dizzy. Important part is stopping when you get dizzy and not pushing through as your brain would instead be sensitized and you'd actually get sick sooner.

  • @DavidGonzalezGarcia
    @DavidGonzalezGarcia 11 месяцев назад

    I have severe motion sicknes in everything i dont have the "wheel" (car, bus, boat, plane, rollercoaster...) today my first time in VR (HP Rerver G2 V2) a one hour fligth with the Helicopter Cabri 2 over city of Roma... no motion sicknes at all.

  • @rayerdinc2441
    @rayerdinc2441 2 года назад

    Excellent video and subject Sir! Thank you. Of all travel I suffer sea sickness, even on a mild pond. Using my Oculus Quest 2 is great but after 30 mins I have to stop. Not tried it yet with MSFS2020 because of this but your video has given me some tips. Thank you.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад

      Give it a go…I used to get seasick just getting into the bath 😂🤣😂

  • @vilivilii977
    @vilivilii977 Год назад

    Haha, years ago when i got my first vr and tried various games i fired up a battle plane and did a steep dive. That was it and game over for the day as i had to dive laying down for rest of that evening🤢
    Now i got almost iron stomach and no probs flying acrobatics

  • @zacky5315
    @zacky5315 2 года назад

    Luckily I don't have problems with motion sickness. Hitting things around a few times, when trying to work a switch or a dial, is another story. My VR operations comes down to landing take off and taxiing.

  • @GaryX1001
    @GaryX1001 2 года назад

    I fly VR msfs 2020 since the HP reverb G2 came on the market, i guess it was 24.Dec 2020 when Asobo released the VR update. I started with 5min Flights, going up to 10 going up to 15. i now have no problems flying in VR, i enjoy the flights, no problem. Last summer i went to an airshow and i did an aerobatic flight with an SIAI Marchetti SF 260. No problems, loop, rolls, stall turns, msfs 2020 prepared me to have no problem in real life :=)

  • @DISHWASHERANDDRYER
    @DISHWASHERANDDRYER 2 года назад

    Plenty of valium!

  • @vracan
    @vracan 2 года назад

    personally never got motion sickness in vr thank god cuz without vr I would not play msfs or anything else

  • @maxeisert7466
    @maxeisert7466 Год назад

    I felt more sick from using a headtracker than from VR but you should indeed keep it short and don't do aerobatics (fly bombers in IL-2).

  • @SimHangerFS
    @SimHangerFS  2 года назад

    Do you get motion sickness in VR? Let me know your symptoms below and how you overcame it…if you did 👍

    • @mokumkat
      @mokumkat 2 года назад +2

      Hi Marc! Before the G2 was officially released I pre-ordered it at a German webshop. I took the risk of getting motion sickness due to my age (60) and my system specs (I7, GTX1080, 8GB) 16GB DDR3) By the time the headset arrived MSFS wasn't VR-ready yet so I flew basically in X-plane and Aerofly FS2. So far so good it took me about 2 weeks to get used to the fairly low frame rate and was able to fly for about 2 hrs in a row. Then I discovered VTOL VR... ouch!!! This game is meant to be played in VR only and even with my system the game ran pretty good. However I wasn't able to play it any longer than 5 minutes before becoming really sick and with sweat dripping down my forehead. But as always... If you enjoy doing what you're doing you will overcome feeling bad just by practice over and over again. Today I have no problem at all to play for hours FS2020 running at an average of 16-24 fps. Even aerobatics are no longer making me feel sick at all :-)

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад

      @@mokumkat well done at sticking to it….it can be quite difficult at times, but worth it 😂

    • @mokumkat
      @mokumkat 2 года назад +1

      @@SimHangerFS Yes absolutely, playing flight simulators in VR is much more immersive than on a flat screen. Doing a dead-stick landing for instance where you need to search for a suitable spot to land is almost impossible to do without VR imho.

  • @FlightSims
    @FlightSims 2 года назад

    Mark, Virtual Reality wouldn’t make me sick as I’m already a sick puppy! 😝. I actually love VR and it’s the primary way I fly now. It puts you right in the seat. Right in the cockpit. I actually try and grab things in the cockpit while flying, it’s THAT real. If someone hasn’t vr’ed, I’d highly recommend to at least try it. And if it does get you sick, try different settings but do try and get use to it. It’s worth the try! I think the trick is to refine your settings and have a good system. Excellent mb, gfx, cpu and space. Lots of drive space. If that doesn’t work then try those motion sickness pills or maybe a pint or three may work hehe 😜. Thanks Mark. Appreciate ure work!

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад +1

      I know exactly what you mean. I once dropped my controller on the floor as I reached out to put it on the copilots seat😂

    • @FlightSims
      @FlightSims 2 года назад

      @@SimHangerFS love it 😆. I’ve done exactly the same 😉

  • @googleisshittoss
    @googleisshittoss Год назад

    I made the stupid mistake (which you mentioned)..Of jumping into a Hawk Trainer, and flying the Mach loop...I shall not be doing that again!!!!

  • @MichaelBrodie68
    @MichaelBrodie68 Год назад

    Thanks Mark. I've steered clear of VR for this very reason. I find that it became worse over time. In my 20's I had no problems playing first person shooters. I was temped to try one again last year.
    For me the onset of symptoms was very rapid. After 20 minutes of game play, I suddenly suffered severe nausea and sweating that took 4 hours to pass. I just was wondering if you ever experienced your symptoms with little or no warning.

  • @DP-xz8xr
    @DP-xz8xr 2 года назад

    I'm quite tempted to try VR, having never tried it before - but do I just go for broke and get the Aero (Which everyone raves about) or Reverb G2, which it is inevitable I'm later upgrade to the Areo! Decisions, decisions!! This video series is great though. Nice one Mark!

  • @737sst
    @737sst 2 года назад

    Would a motion platform be of help? Great video, as usual. Thanks.

  • @julianhall2008
    @julianhall2008 2 года назад

    Hi mark, I'm fine in flight simulation, I do however get motion sickness in driving sims. I did get motion sickness on a mates 40th celebration a few years ago when we had a day at a karting track. 😖

  • @GrundleStiltSkin
    @GrundleStiltSkin 2 года назад

    it made me feel "not good" the first long session, and when i was drinking it was heavy feeling on my my nose and cheeks and irritating. other then those two times, no problems

  • @gpbarth
    @gpbarth 2 года назад

    Mark, great presentation, and love your channel. Unrelated question: which app are you using to give you that airport information I saw during your approach? I know it's not FS2020, but I like the runway data being shown.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад

      Hi, it was Navigraph charts. Annual sub, but worth it in my opinion. I use it in VR, desktop and on my tablet…!

  • @mikegc3816
    @mikegc3816 2 года назад +2

    Hi Mark, I tried football nation VR once and thats the only game that has every made me a bit ill. How I got over it - stopped playing the game, it was crap!

  • @FlyBy2507
    @FlyBy2507 2 года назад +1

    Hello.
    I also wear glasses with varifocal glasses and I'm a little confused. What correction should I indicate when ordering the lenses? Is it the farsightedness correction or the nearsightedness one?
    Thanks for your advices.

  • @Delboyii
    @Delboyii 2 года назад

    Prescription lens's were a must have for myself, primarily to prevent any further lends scratching but also for comfort.
    We use terms such as 'stuttering, tearing' etc, would it be possible to produce a video that shows the issues; together with which settings should be focused on to minimise the impact of the different problems?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад +1

      Great idea, I will add it to my list👍

  • @DocPicklez
    @DocPicklez Год назад

    Tilt your head the direction you move.

  • @DavidTeerTheBackyardUfologist
    @DavidTeerTheBackyardUfologist Год назад

    How does one set that up for VR? what is needed?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  Год назад

      Watch part 1 of this series…essential vr - playlist on my channel page.

  • @robo1540
    @robo1540 Год назад +1

    im gonna do insane dogfights until i eventually stop vomiting

  • @biagiodelta1827
    @biagiodelta1827 2 года назад

    Hi, Mark thanks for another great video.
    Just a question related to prescription lenses:
    I wear glasses with multifocal lenses that have already Blue Light Filter and Anti-Glare Filter.
    According to your experience is there any benefit using specific lenses for VR like the VR Wave ones?
    For what I understand the only difference will be having just prescription distance lenses without the correction for close look, but I don't know if this can get me an increase in clarity: indeed VR vision for me is not crisp as the monitor one especially looking at terrain.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад +1

      Hi, the VR image will not be as clear as your screen, unless using the Varjo Aero headset, due to resolution. The main advantage of using VR lenses boils down to comfort and convenience as you already have the filters. My glasses are varifocal, but I have no problem reading gauges etc.

  • @kenbarthSimAV8tor
    @kenbarthSimAV8tor 2 года назад +1

    How do VR pilots 'find' their control knobs; levers; buttons and switches?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад +7

      That’s in part 3 😀

    • @sascenturion
      @sascenturion 2 года назад +1

      @@SimHangerFS 😷 😀

    • @mikegc3816
      @mikegc3816 2 года назад +2

      I just know where they are, I sort of see the quadrant in my minds eye

  • @KrystianLewandowski
    @KrystianLewandowski 2 года назад

    5:36, what are these reflections in the water?

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад +1

      They are in the scenery by default. Most likely fish farming.

  • @rbathurst
    @rbathurst 2 года назад

    Thanks for all you do for the flight sim community. I’m tossing up between the Reverb G2 and the Varjo Aero. Obviously the price is a significant factor but my main concern is how clearly you can read the instruments. Like you, I’m a non-current GA pilot. I want a headset where I can clearly read the instruments in vr without having to lean in. Can you do this in the Reverb G2 or do I need to spend the extra on the Varjo to get this? Many thanks.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад

      The Varjo clarity is way beyond most headsets in term of clarity. The G2 is best bang for your buck. G2 clarity is good, but no match for the Aero

    • @rbathurst
      @rbathurst 2 года назад

      Thanks for your answer, Mark. I appreciate it. Having not had the opportunity to try either headset, I’m still not sure I understand. I understand that the Aero has better clarity but in the G2 can you read the instruments ok without leaning in? I’ve watched a lot of videos but I’ve yet to find a clear answer to this question. Many thanks in advance.

    • @SimHangerFS
      @SimHangerFS  2 года назад +1

      @@rbathurst the answer is Varjo Aero for the G1000 etc.

  • @Quokka_Volant
    @Quokka_Volant 2 года назад

    F VR.... we are almost robots with our setup and gaming stuff now what ? A F screen fusioned to your eyes ? Naaaah